Sept. 12, 2025
Charlie Kirk Shooter Caught, His Dad Did Him In
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RSS Feed Amy and T.J. have all the latest details in the late night arrest of 22 year old Tyler Robinson for the murder of Charlie Kirk. From the eerie messages on his bullet casings to the confession he reportedly made to his own Father, we watched the press conference and read all the reports so you don’t have to. Amy and T.J. also share their thoughts on what the Governor of Utah had to say about the shooter and political violence in this country.
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Speaker 1: Hey, folks, it is Friday, September twelfth, and it took thirty three hours over three days, but they got the guy who they say shot and killed Charlie Kirk.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Robes.
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Speaker 1: The headline is that he was arrested last night ten o'clock local time in Utah. But is a twenty two year old man from Utah and his name is Tyler Robinson.
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Speaker 3: And Tyler Robinson was brought into custody by members of his own family, a family friend also involved in One of his friends as well also gave information to police. So this was a matter of family members recognizing him, finding some sort of similarities to what they were seeing on the news and what they were hearing from him, and put two and two together, and according to authorities, he confessed to his family that he in fact was the shooter.
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Speaker 1: And people are trying to piece together right now as much as they can about Tyler Robinson, who he is, where he's from, what his ideology might have been, and what his motives might be. Right now, all police are saying is that this is the guy. They are sure this is the guy. They don't expect any other arrests to be made. They don't believe anyone else was responsible, but they did not speculate, at least at this point about a potential motive. Now Robes, this was an interesting morning because we got up and did our regular daily news podcast Morning Run. Still no one had been caught by the time we finished. By the time we get done with that, we see Donald Trump show up on Fox and Friends and made himself comfortable.
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Speaker 4: That's right, so you said.
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Speaker 3: When we woke up and we recorded Morning Run, no one had been arrested as far as we knew. The truth is someone had been arrested. And yes, President Trump announced it to the world on Fox and Friends, and that is how we found out. And he wasn't even one hundred percent. He used words like he was fairly certain, like it wasn't. So we were still waiting for the official word, even though he did say that it looked like they had their guy.
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Speaker 1: And but at that point it was everywhere and every network had picked it up. You, I'm sure you all got the breaking news or learns, and all of them had to say this. Trump says that the shooter has been caught.
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Speaker 3: I noticed at the press conference when we finally did get word from officials. They said, you may have heard that Trump reported. It's almost as if in this story, from the moment that we found out Charlie Kirk had died, it was from Trump we found out there was someone under arrest.
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Speaker 4: From Trump.
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Speaker 3: He has been the spokesperson, so to speak, and the reporter of the latest information in this case, which has not been anything I've ever seen before.
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Speaker 1: He has been the source and has let you know. I mean, I don't know if he insisted on it, but how close he is to this guy, to this story and what it means to him personally. Now we had at that point. Once he showed up, it was around eight o'clock Eastern time that he sat down, and he was at Fox and Friends in the studio here in New York. He had been here with the nine eleven commemorations over at Yankee Stadium last night. You could tell he was comfortable. He was sitting down, He had better energy, looked like he got a little rest, but he was comfortable. They were trying to get information from him about the shooting, and he was on for an hour. He tried, They tried and tried, and he just seemed like he didn't have a lot of information, and he was almost tiptoeing around. So maybe he didn't have a lot of details, but it didn't seem like he was that sure in that moment.
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Speaker 3: It's true, but it is funny you mentioned, and it's true you said it when we were watching. Look how much different he looks than he did twenty four hours ago when we saw him at the Pentagon. He looked defeated, he looked exhausted, he looked sad, he looked he didn't look good. And today it was like a new Trump had emerged. And perhaps it is because he knew and he actually got sleep last night because he knew the man responsible for murdering Charlie Kirk, in his opinion, was now apprehended behind bars and justice was going to be served, and that might have allowed him a good night's rest, so.
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Speaker 1: He was so Yes, he probably did get word last night. But again most of us went to bed not knowing they had this person in custody. This would have been after midnight really on the East coast, correct time this took place. So the President's there on Fox and Friends going on for an hour about a wide range of all kinds of stuff. Now, meantime, there was a press conference that was scheduled in Utah for nine am Eastern time. So again with the timing, the President sits down with Fox and Friends Live at eight am Eastern press conference with an update about the shooting supposed to be at nine am Eastern and romes that didn't happen.
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Speaker 3: No, In fact, you said, ain't no way this press conference is happening when they say it's happening because President Trump is still on Fox and Friends and so I'm sure that well, we can only guess that that is part of the reason why we initially got a thirty minute delay around nine ten, and then they didn't actually start talking until after just after ten sorry, ten am Eastern time, so a full hour behind schedule and change.
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Speaker 1: And once they started talking, these were the new details we got. Now, we did hear from the Utah governor or Governor Cox out there and also FBI Director Cash Pattel was at the press conference. But all the questions about how they got this guy, why it was so important with the video and the pictures and everything that went out, So this is how they say it went down. It was the family wasn't the public. They say they have gotten eleven thousand leads having to do with this case, they have to track them all down, But in fact it was the family members, in particular now Robes reportedly the father of the suspect who had gotten suspicious talk to his son about it. And this is where I think Governor Cox used the word confessed. That the suspect either confessed or certainly implied. That's the impression that the dad got that his son was the shooter.
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Speaker 3: I just put myself in that position and cannot even imagine because obviously we have heard for now two days in a row that one hundred percent law enforcement will be seeking the death penalty in this case.
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Speaker 4: So what do you do as a father? You have your.
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Speaker 3: Son, you're suspicious, You confront him, he confesses in some way, form or fashion to you, and then you're actually having to now say, do I do the right thing? But in doing the right thing, I am essentially killing my son. And from what we gathered from the press conference, the father reached out to a family pastor for help, and that actually makes a lot of sense. I can absolutely understand how that would be the next phone call, the first phone call probably wouldn't be to police. It would be to get counseled, and maybe even spiritual or religious counsel. Because what an unbelievable position to be in as a parent who loves their child no matter what they do or did.
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Speaker 1: It's incredible you think maybe your first call would be to a lawyer, but it just tells you something, maybe about this community, this family, and maybe just how torn to your point Because you asked me that question, I hadn't considered You're yeah, you called.
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Speaker 4: What do you do?
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Speaker 2: You are sentencing your.
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Speaker 1: Child to death if you call the police and needing spiritual counsel makes sense.
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Speaker 4: Wow, I just that has got to be such a tough position.
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Speaker 3: But in fact, so through that reach out to the pastor, I believe it was did you gather that the pastor then called police?
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Speaker 4: Yes?
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Speaker 3: Because is there a duty at that point or is there? I mean, I know priests have confidentiality, so I don't know how it works in other religions.
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Speaker 4: If there's a.
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Speaker 3: Legal understanding that you don't have to you aren't forced to contact police. I know priests and therapists perhaps are in that situation. But if you think there's a threat, to anyone else's life. I don't actually know the law on this, but the pastor, for whatever reason, and perhaps even with the father's blessing, we don't know, the pastor reached out contacted authorities and that is how this young man twenty two years old, Tyler Robinson, was handed over to authorities.
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Speaker 1: We should mention the authorities say that don't expect so as you were pointing out their ropes, like what the rules are as far as the pastor goes, but what are the rules when it comes to the dad as well? What he's supposed to do and obligated to do, isn't it at that point if you suspect or if you certainly know you're aiding in a bedding.
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Speaker 4: Correct, that's that point correct? But they did say it didn't.
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Speaker 3: They didn't think as of now where the investigation was, that there would be any arrest, including a roommate of Tyler Robinson who had some information as well that we learned about during this press conference as well. But we did get some interesting details, including a recent family dinner where they described hearing Tyler Robinson mentioning that Charlie Kirk was coming to a campus and this was about three and a half four hour drive. I believe they mentioned Saint George's nearby. I've actually been to Saint George. It is quite a distance from Provo or Salt Lake City, from Versus. It's the southernmost tip to the west of the.
00:08:56
Speaker 1: State, so it's southwest corner.
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Speaker 4: It is in the middle of nowhere.
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Speaker 3: To be honest with you, I actually was doing a story on the FLDS and they are in a very remote area of Utah, right along the border of Arizona. And this is exactly where he is from that area Washington County, and Saint George is the seat of that county, so it was quite some distance. But he mentioned that Charlie Kirk would be at the school and that he didn't like him. That's as far as we heard in terms of his opinion on Charlie Kirk.
00:09:24
Speaker 1: And to say that again from family members who obviously the police have been talking to quite extensively, but they were giving just little nuggets, little insights that say he has become this family member of there's Tyler Robinson more political in recent years. What does that mean, we don't know, But that was the extent of the insight at least roads we got from his personality and why he might have been upset. But again, the family member, at least what they told us today, the family members that he didn't like him, didn't like things he said, but nothing at least they released today rose to the level of thinking this guy was radical.
00:09:56
Speaker 3: Where you would be concerned that your son or your family member do something extreme or take matters into their own hands.
00:10:03
Speaker 1: We always see the warning signs, and then that today at least they have not suggested that family members failed to act because they saw something that was alarming.
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Speaker 3: Correct, and when they did put two and two together and when they did confront him, they ultimately did do the right thing, and that was noted and that had to be so difficult.
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Speaker 1: And the roommate messages you were talking about as well, the roommate he had had sent the roommate some messages in the roommate had no problem showing the police the messages, and apparently they had specific references to needing to pick up a rifle, where the rifle was going to be, what it was.
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Speaker 4: Wrapped in, wrapped in a dark towel.
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Speaker 1: And described everything in locations perfectly. If that's not guilt I don't know which.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty undeniable and irrefutable. And the roommate showed it all to police and there was apparently, yeah, some chat and some chat group where he was being very specific. And it turns out that is exactly where police did find this rifle and a key part.
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Speaker 1: Of this investigation to keep part of this rifle, this weapon has to do with the shell casings and the bullets. They had writings on them. And as soon as we first heard about this, I think a day or so ago, Robes, we immediately started to think about the United Healthcare shooting here in New York, where he had I can't.
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Speaker 4: Remember, Luigi mag what did they write on I can't remember.
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Speaker 3: I can't remember either, but it was very specific to the crime he committed in his anger at insurance companies. It was, you know what, I have to come up with it, but it certainly linked him to the crime and spoke to the motive behind it.
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Speaker 1: But folks stay here because authorities did share with us what the casings had written on them in this case, and we almost fell out of our seats because one of the messages on one of the shell casings happens to be a message that's in one of my absolute favorite songs. And all right, we're folks backs now here on Amy and TJ.
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Speaker 2: We got them. Is how they.
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Speaker 1: Started the press conference today, the authorities out in Utah today saying yes, it's a short time ago before we started recording here, that they have in fact found the person responsible for Charlie Kirk's death. He has twenty two year old Tyler Robinson of Utah. He is in custody now. A family member helped facilitate his arrest and Robes who were just talking about and it's a big part of this investigation that were messages on the casings, on the bullets that were found with this weapon near the weapon, and when we first heard about a couple of days ago we first thought about the United Healthcare killing. There were writings on those bullets. You found it, and we couldn't come up with it off the top of our heads.
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Speaker 3: But it's familiar because it makes you think that you know, you don't we don't know this, but it makes you think, you know. We talk about copycats all the time, people ideas from other killers and other shooters, and you wonder if Tyler Robinson saw what Luigi Mangioni did and engraved his bullets and maybe decided to do the same thing. He might have been inspired by him, because it is kind of early similar.
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Speaker 4: Have you heard of this before?
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Speaker 3: Is this a thing that assassins.
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Speaker 4: Or killers do? I?
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Speaker 3: I The first time I ever heard of it was with Luigimanngioni. I've so, okay, maybe that's what it is. So we did find the words that were on the bullet casings in the killing of the United CEO Healthcare CEO was deny, depose, and defend. And the reason why they were we have all conjectured that those were the engravings on the bullets is it was a reference to a book about the insurance company and that is what they do when they are forced to are they've been sued, or they need someone wants money from them to pay for a life saving surgery, et cetera. That this is what the insurance companies do. They deny it, they depose people, and then they just defend themselves. They're not about actually serving people and helping people. So it seemed to be a direct link to his motive that he was targeting this CEO of United Healthcare because he was angry at the insurance company.
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Speaker 1: So we had messages on these bullets and these casings as well. He reeled off a lot. I couldn't make out a lot of what he was saying, but at least included the ones we could.
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Speaker 3: Yes, because I was the same, I was like, wait, what did he just say? So the one that really stood out was hey, fascist catch that's very scary. So that speaks very clearly to motive. Most people can connect those dots. And then this one kind of threw me, but it sounded like the governor said that on one of the bullet casings was if you read this, you are gay.
00:14:48
Speaker 4: Lmao, laughing my ass off.
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Speaker 3: Don't really like it's I don't know if maybe he thinks that Charlie Kirk would have been mortified if someone thought he was gay given his religion. I don't know, some sort of a slur like, oh see, I don't know that.
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Speaker 4: That's a tough one to try to dissect or interpret.
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Speaker 1: And the governor, who was really in these all, he said, I am not going to He said, leave it to you all to try to interpret. So there they didn't give us much to go on here, but it was they were all like they were a lot.
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Speaker 2: It was.
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Speaker 1: The other one was just defend deposed and whatever the denial. Yeah, those are just simple phrase. These a like longer phrases.
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Speaker 4: And I took some time.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I couldn't make out what he was saying, but they were a lot. Did he say they were on the gun as well?
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Speaker 3: He said, he said in that I remember, Okay, so I don't remember that specifically.
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Speaker 1: But then the one that got us rogues and we've spent I mean, I've been listening to this song for a long long time. There are so many beautiful versions of it. We were in Rome last summer and on our last night, we sat at a restaurant right behind us when the church steps this song was being belted out by a woman live, and I just went crazy. The song and the engravings it said on the casing. According to the governor, oh bella chow, bella chow, bella chow chow chow. He said, it said all of that, not just bella chow. Like the chorus of this very popular and beautiful song.
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Speaker 2: We heard that.
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Speaker 1: We were sitting here like, what the actual hell.
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Speaker 3: We looked at each other and I actually think both of our jaws dropped because we have loved that song for a year now after having visited Rome. You play it probably at least once a week just to get the mood up when we are just whatever, getting ready to go somewhere, just to kind of create the energy, and we sing it and we laugh and sa Bean loves it too, So just of all the things to be on the engraving, to have it be that.
00:16:42
Speaker 4: And then we did some.
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Speaker 3: Research on it, and look, I had no idea the history of this song, but it actually does have quite a bit of history. And it's a song of revolution. It's a song of rising up. It's a song of new beginning and resistance. Resistance specifically, it was certainly used during World War Two among the Italians, but it originated among rice workers, female rice workers in Italy, who they believe were singing to kind of say goodbye to their youth, goodbye, you know, goodbye beautiful it literally, that's how it translates, And so it was, and it just was adopted in the Second World War as a song of resistance.
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Speaker 2: But the story you're telling me about I didn't remember from COVID.
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Speaker 3: So if you recall where COVID hit northern Italy so so horribly, and so people were in the windows singing. Do you remember all those videos and images of all the Italians that would just lean out of their windows and they'd start singing. That was one of the songs that carried a lot of Italians who were sequestered and stuck in their small apartments. They would lean out of their windows and sing Bellachow, bellachow, bella chow chow chow.
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Speaker 1: If anybody don't, you would know as soon as you hear it. It's almost it's one of those things. It's almost unmistakable.
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Speaker 2: Dun d d d.
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Speaker 4: It feels celebratory.
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Speaker 1: It it's a wonderful song. How those words end up on the casing of a bullet miant for Charlie Kirk is something I would love to get answered.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: So there is one other inscription. I just found it because this is the one we I couldn't catch it to write it down.
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Speaker 4: It was so bizarre.
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Speaker 3: But I don't know if any one of you listening can have any idea what this might mean. But some one of the casings said notices bulges, Oh woh, what's this.
00:18:28
Speaker 1: The internet meme phrase, what's this to explain it's some internet meme situation.
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Speaker 2: You all forgive us notices.
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Speaker 4: I guess we're old people.
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Speaker 1: We don't know when you knocked this out for right now.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and the other thing with the hay fascist catch, they said it was followed by an arrow symbol up, a right arrow symbol, and three down arrow symbols. So this is like hieroglyphics to me. I don't know what any of that means. So it's okay, I'm saying, oh w references and potocon and what's this denotes cuteness or curiosity? It's like a gamer thing that that. So who knows? And I'm sure it'll be dissected for quite some time.
00:19:09
Speaker 1: And some of the things we heard. We looked at you, I think you said, what is he twelve? Like it seemed like very child gay.
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Speaker 3: Things seemed really like lmao, like that seemed incredibly childish and juvenile. And yeah, I just didn't it didn't. I didn't understand it.
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Speaker 1: I didn't understand as well. And look, I know he was having a moment. And maybe you'll maybe you were moved by it, touched by.
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Speaker 5: It, or confused by it, or maybe you didn't think anything of it at all. But the governor going to Cox out there wanted to take a moment and he look, it.
00:19:44
Speaker 2: Was, uh, I don't know.
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Speaker 1: He wanted to He had something on his mind he wanted to say, and he took which I think were at least ten but maybe fifteen minutes, and almost wanted to do an address to the nation and say a number of things in that moment.
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Speaker 2: It did feel like it went a little long.
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Speaker 1: I don't again, in moments like this, you don't want to criticize somebody for what they're going through, the paying what he's helping us state through and those students through. That's a lot. But he did going for quite a bit. But something he said that had our ears perked up, and I was curious about it.
00:20:16
Speaker 2: Ropes.
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Speaker 1: He said he had the hope that this wouldn't be one of theirs. And when you said, when he said it, before he even finished the next part, you said the thing he was about to address next, and you're like, what, it's better if if somebody.
00:20:31
Speaker 3: Else, if it's somebody from Colorado, if it's somebody from Missouri, that that would be better.
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Speaker 4: I think the issue I took with that, and look.
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Speaker 3: Again, I do want to give him grace in the sense that he has been up. He said he slept for ninety minutes in the last thirty three hours. Anyone who's had sleep deprivation knows you're not firing on all cylinders. And I'm not suggesting that he didn't know what he was saying, but I think if maybe he thought it through. The problem with that is, isn't that the issue tribalism us versus them? We wanted it to not be someone from Utah because then it wouldn't stain our state. No, we're all humans, We're all Americans. Isn't that the point we're making. It shouldn't be Republicans versus Democrats, utah ins versus New Yorkers like he actually fed into the exact storyline he was trying to dissolve by saying we should all unite and talk through things and work together, and violence isn't the option all. But then he completely went straight to tribalism by saying, I was praying that it wasn't one of us, and sadly my prayers weren't answered because it turns out it was one of us.
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Speaker 4: No, it's all of us humans. People find even Americans.
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Speaker 3: I just I was scratching my head because I maybe he just didn't realize that he was literally actually feeding into a narrative.
00:21:50
Speaker 4: He was trying to tell us all to rise above, and.
00:21:53
Speaker 2: We can't help.
00:21:54
Speaker 1: But and this was the best point, Robes, And that was a great one to make to end on here hoping he wasn't one of us.
00:22:06
Speaker 4: He is one of us.
00:22:08
Speaker 1: He's one of ours. He's one of all of ours. Where did we in New York fail some kid in Utah? I don't know, but we're all a part of this mess. And whatever created this young man who felt he had to do what he did, we want to dismiss and say he's sick, he's all these things. The act was evil, But what is he?
00:22:29
Speaker 2: I wonder? The act was evil?
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Speaker 1: Can we ever separate the act from the actor and realize that he is an American, a human being. He is somebody that we failed somewhere and we got to stop creating those type of Americans. And so that was tough to you. We did not discuss this ahead of time, But to your point, he made a fifteen minute speech about us all coming together and saying, damn, he ain't one of us, he ain't one of ours.
00:23:00
Speaker 4: It's a very good point, you know.
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Speaker 3: I think the other takeaway for me, I know so many of us feel helpless, not just with this story, but with so many of these stories of shooters, and you know, the red sign, the red flags and the warning signs we missed. I think where I am right now, all individually that I feel like I can do today, right now, is to be tolerant, To be more tolerant when someone says something I don't like, when someone believes something I don't agree with, or someone actually I vehemently oppose, to take a beat, to be tolerant, to keep my mind open, to not jump to assumptions or judgments. And I think individually, we can all do that, and we can all take that on as a mission and something that we practice daily. And kids are kids, Younger folks are watching us, and what we do and what we say matters, and that's where our power lies.
00:24:01
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00:24:22
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00:24:23
Speaker 1: But as always, folks, we appreciate you listening to us.
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Speaker 1: Hey, folks, it is Friday, September twelfth, and it took thirty three hours over three days, but they got the guy who they say shot and killed Charlie Kirk.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Robes.
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Speaker 1: The headline is that he was arrested last night ten o'clock local time in Utah. But is a twenty two year old man from Utah and his name is Tyler Robinson.
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Speaker 3: And Tyler Robinson was brought into custody by members of his own family, a family friend also involved in One of his friends as well also gave information to police. So this was a matter of family members recognizing him, finding some sort of similarities to what they were seeing on the news and what they were hearing from him, and put two and two together, and according to authorities, he confessed to his family that he in fact was the shooter.
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Speaker 1: And people are trying to piece together right now as much as they can about Tyler Robinson, who he is, where he's from, what his ideology might have been, and what his motives might be. Right now, all police are saying is that this is the guy. They are sure this is the guy. They don't expect any other arrests to be made. They don't believe anyone else was responsible, but they did not speculate, at least at this point about a potential motive. Now Robes, this was an interesting morning because we got up and did our regular daily news podcast Morning Run. Still no one had been caught by the time we finished. By the time we get done with that, we see Donald Trump show up on Fox and Friends and made himself comfortable.
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Speaker 4: That's right, so you said.
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Speaker 3: When we woke up and we recorded Morning Run, no one had been arrested as far as we knew. The truth is someone had been arrested. And yes, President Trump announced it to the world on Fox and Friends, and that is how we found out. And he wasn't even one hundred percent. He used words like he was fairly certain, like it wasn't. So we were still waiting for the official word, even though he did say that it looked like they had their guy.
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Speaker 1: And but at that point it was everywhere and every network had picked it up. You, I'm sure you all got the breaking news or learns, and all of them had to say this. Trump says that the shooter has been caught.
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Speaker 3: I noticed at the press conference when we finally did get word from officials. They said, you may have heard that Trump reported. It's almost as if in this story, from the moment that we found out Charlie Kirk had died, it was from Trump we found out there was someone under arrest.
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Speaker 4: From Trump.
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Speaker 3: He has been the spokesperson, so to speak, and the reporter of the latest information in this case, which has not been anything I've ever seen before.
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Speaker 1: He has been the source and has let you know. I mean, I don't know if he insisted on it, but how close he is to this guy, to this story and what it means to him personally. Now we had at that point. Once he showed up, it was around eight o'clock Eastern time that he sat down, and he was at Fox and Friends in the studio here in New York. He had been here with the nine eleven commemorations over at Yankee Stadium last night. You could tell he was comfortable. He was sitting down, He had better energy, looked like he got a little rest, but he was comfortable. They were trying to get information from him about the shooting, and he was on for an hour. He tried, They tried and tried, and he just seemed like he didn't have a lot of information, and he was almost tiptoeing around. So maybe he didn't have a lot of details, but it didn't seem like he was that sure in that moment.
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Speaker 3: It's true, but it is funny you mentioned, and it's true you said it when we were watching. Look how much different he looks than he did twenty four hours ago when we saw him at the Pentagon. He looked defeated, he looked exhausted, he looked sad, he looked he didn't look good. And today it was like a new Trump had emerged. And perhaps it is because he knew and he actually got sleep last night because he knew the man responsible for murdering Charlie Kirk, in his opinion, was now apprehended behind bars and justice was going to be served, and that might have allowed him a good night's rest, so.
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Speaker 1: He was so Yes, he probably did get word last night. But again most of us went to bed not knowing they had this person in custody. This would have been after midnight really on the East coast, correct time this took place. So the President's there on Fox and Friends going on for an hour about a wide range of all kinds of stuff. Now, meantime, there was a press conference that was scheduled in Utah for nine am Eastern time. So again with the timing, the President sits down with Fox and Friends Live at eight am Eastern press conference with an update about the shooting supposed to be at nine am Eastern and romes that didn't happen.
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Speaker 3: No, In fact, you said, ain't no way this press conference is happening when they say it's happening because President Trump is still on Fox and Friends and so I'm sure that well, we can only guess that that is part of the reason why we initially got a thirty minute delay around nine ten, and then they didn't actually start talking until after just after ten sorry, ten am Eastern time, so a full hour behind schedule and change.
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Speaker 1: And once they started talking, these were the new details we got. Now, we did hear from the Utah governor or Governor Cox out there and also FBI Director Cash Pattel was at the press conference. But all the questions about how they got this guy, why it was so important with the video and the pictures and everything that went out, So this is how they say it went down. It was the family wasn't the public. They say they have gotten eleven thousand leads having to do with this case, they have to track them all down, But in fact it was the family members, in particular now Robes reportedly the father of the suspect who had gotten suspicious talk to his son about it. And this is where I think Governor Cox used the word confessed. That the suspect either confessed or certainly implied. That's the impression that the dad got that his son was the shooter.
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Speaker 3: I just put myself in that position and cannot even imagine because obviously we have heard for now two days in a row that one hundred percent law enforcement will be seeking the death penalty in this case.
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Speaker 4: So what do you do as a father? You have your.
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Speaker 3: Son, you're suspicious, You confront him, he confesses in some way, form or fashion to you, and then you're actually having to now say, do I do the right thing? But in doing the right thing, I am essentially killing my son. And from what we gathered from the press conference, the father reached out to a family pastor for help, and that actually makes a lot of sense. I can absolutely understand how that would be the next phone call, the first phone call probably wouldn't be to police. It would be to get counseled, and maybe even spiritual or religious counsel. Because what an unbelievable position to be in as a parent who loves their child no matter what they do or did.
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Speaker 1: It's incredible you think maybe your first call would be to a lawyer, but it just tells you something, maybe about this community, this family, and maybe just how torn to your point Because you asked me that question, I hadn't considered You're yeah, you called.
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Speaker 4: What do you do?
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Speaker 2: You are sentencing your.
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Speaker 1: Child to death if you call the police and needing spiritual counsel makes sense.
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Speaker 4: Wow, I just that has got to be such a tough position.
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Speaker 3: But in fact, so through that reach out to the pastor, I believe it was did you gather that the pastor then called police?
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Speaker 4: Yes?
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Speaker 3: Because is there a duty at that point or is there? I mean, I know priests have confidentiality, so I don't know how it works in other religions.
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Speaker 4: If there's a.
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Speaker 3: Legal understanding that you don't have to you aren't forced to contact police. I know priests and therapists perhaps are in that situation. But if you think there's a threat, to anyone else's life. I don't actually know the law on this, but the pastor, for whatever reason, and perhaps even with the father's blessing, we don't know, the pastor reached out contacted authorities and that is how this young man twenty two years old, Tyler Robinson, was handed over to authorities.
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Speaker 1: We should mention the authorities say that don't expect so as you were pointing out their ropes, like what the rules are as far as the pastor goes, but what are the rules when it comes to the dad as well? What he's supposed to do and obligated to do, isn't it at that point if you suspect or if you certainly know you're aiding in a bedding.
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Speaker 4: Correct, that's that point correct? But they did say it didn't.
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Speaker 3: They didn't think as of now where the investigation was, that there would be any arrest, including a roommate of Tyler Robinson who had some information as well that we learned about during this press conference as well. But we did get some interesting details, including a recent family dinner where they described hearing Tyler Robinson mentioning that Charlie Kirk was coming to a campus and this was about three and a half four hour drive. I believe they mentioned Saint George's nearby. I've actually been to Saint George. It is quite a distance from Provo or Salt Lake City, from Versus. It's the southernmost tip to the west of the.
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Speaker 1: State, so it's southwest corner.
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Speaker 4: It is in the middle of nowhere.
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Speaker 3: To be honest with you, I actually was doing a story on the FLDS and they are in a very remote area of Utah, right along the border of Arizona. And this is exactly where he is from that area Washington County, and Saint George is the seat of that county, so it was quite some distance. But he mentioned that Charlie Kirk would be at the school and that he didn't like him. That's as far as we heard in terms of his opinion on Charlie Kirk.
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Speaker 1: And to say that again from family members who obviously the police have been talking to quite extensively, but they were giving just little nuggets, little insights that say he has become this family member of there's Tyler Robinson more political in recent years. What does that mean, we don't know, But that was the extent of the insight at least roads we got from his personality and why he might have been upset. But again, the family member, at least what they told us today, the family members that he didn't like him, didn't like things he said, but nothing at least they released today rose to the level of thinking this guy was radical.
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Speaker 3: Where you would be concerned that your son or your family member do something extreme or take matters into their own hands.
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Speaker 1: We always see the warning signs, and then that today at least they have not suggested that family members failed to act because they saw something that was alarming.
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Speaker 3: Correct, and when they did put two and two together and when they did confront him, they ultimately did do the right thing, and that was noted and that had to be so difficult.
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Speaker 1: And the roommate messages you were talking about as well, the roommate he had had sent the roommate some messages in the roommate had no problem showing the police the messages, and apparently they had specific references to needing to pick up a rifle, where the rifle was going to be, what it was.
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Speaker 4: Wrapped in, wrapped in a dark towel.
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Speaker 1: And described everything in locations perfectly. If that's not guilt I don't know which.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty undeniable and irrefutable. And the roommate showed it all to police and there was apparently, yeah, some chat and some chat group where he was being very specific. And it turns out that is exactly where police did find this rifle and a key part.
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Speaker 1: Of this investigation to keep part of this rifle, this weapon has to do with the shell casings and the bullets. They had writings on them. And as soon as we first heard about this, I think a day or so ago, Robes, we immediately started to think about the United Healthcare shooting here in New York, where he had I can't.
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Speaker 4: Remember, Luigi mag what did they write on I can't remember.
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Speaker 3: I can't remember either, but it was very specific to the crime he committed in his anger at insurance companies. It was, you know what, I have to come up with it, but it certainly linked him to the crime and spoke to the motive behind it.
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Speaker 1: But folks stay here because authorities did share with us what the casings had written on them in this case, and we almost fell out of our seats because one of the messages on one of the shell casings happens to be a message that's in one of my absolute favorite songs. And all right, we're folks backs now here on Amy and TJ.
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Speaker 2: We got them. Is how they.
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Speaker 1: Started the press conference today, the authorities out in Utah today saying yes, it's a short time ago before we started recording here, that they have in fact found the person responsible for Charlie Kirk's death. He has twenty two year old Tyler Robinson of Utah. He is in custody now. A family member helped facilitate his arrest and Robes who were just talking about and it's a big part of this investigation that were messages on the casings, on the bullets that were found with this weapon near the weapon, and when we first heard about a couple of days ago we first thought about the United Healthcare killing. There were writings on those bullets. You found it, and we couldn't come up with it off the top of our heads.
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Speaker 3: But it's familiar because it makes you think that you know, you don't we don't know this, but it makes you think, you know. We talk about copycats all the time, people ideas from other killers and other shooters, and you wonder if Tyler Robinson saw what Luigi Mangioni did and engraved his bullets and maybe decided to do the same thing. He might have been inspired by him, because it is kind of early similar.
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Speaker 4: Have you heard of this before?
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Speaker 3: Is this a thing that assassins.
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Speaker 4: Or killers do? I?
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Speaker 3: I The first time I ever heard of it was with Luigimanngioni. I've so, okay, maybe that's what it is. So we did find the words that were on the bullet casings in the killing of the United CEO Healthcare CEO was deny, depose, and defend. And the reason why they were we have all conjectured that those were the engravings on the bullets is it was a reference to a book about the insurance company and that is what they do when they are forced to are they've been sued, or they need someone wants money from them to pay for a life saving surgery, et cetera. That this is what the insurance companies do. They deny it, they depose people, and then they just defend themselves. They're not about actually serving people and helping people. So it seemed to be a direct link to his motive that he was targeting this CEO of United Healthcare because he was angry at the insurance company.
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Speaker 1: So we had messages on these bullets and these casings as well. He reeled off a lot. I couldn't make out a lot of what he was saying, but at least included the ones we could.
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Speaker 3: Yes, because I was the same, I was like, wait, what did he just say? So the one that really stood out was hey, fascist catch that's very scary. So that speaks very clearly to motive. Most people can connect those dots. And then this one kind of threw me, but it sounded like the governor said that on one of the bullet casings was if you read this, you are gay.
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Speaker 4: Lmao, laughing my ass off.
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Speaker 3: Don't really like it's I don't know if maybe he thinks that Charlie Kirk would have been mortified if someone thought he was gay given his religion. I don't know, some sort of a slur like, oh see, I don't know that.
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Speaker 4: That's a tough one to try to dissect or interpret.
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Speaker 1: And the governor, who was really in these all, he said, I am not going to He said, leave it to you all to try to interpret. So there they didn't give us much to go on here, but it was they were all like they were a lot.
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Speaker 2: It was.
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Speaker 1: The other one was just defend deposed and whatever the denial. Yeah, those are just simple phrase. These a like longer phrases.
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Speaker 4: And I took some time.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I couldn't make out what he was saying, but they were a lot. Did he say they were on the gun as well?
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Speaker 3: He said, he said in that I remember, Okay, so I don't remember that specifically.
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Speaker 1: But then the one that got us rogues and we've spent I mean, I've been listening to this song for a long long time. There are so many beautiful versions of it. We were in Rome last summer and on our last night, we sat at a restaurant right behind us when the church steps this song was being belted out by a woman live, and I just went crazy. The song and the engravings it said on the casing. According to the governor, oh bella chow, bella chow, bella chow chow chow. He said, it said all of that, not just bella chow. Like the chorus of this very popular and beautiful song.
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Speaker 2: We heard that.
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Speaker 1: We were sitting here like, what the actual hell.
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Speaker 3: We looked at each other and I actually think both of our jaws dropped because we have loved that song for a year now after having visited Rome. You play it probably at least once a week just to get the mood up when we are just whatever, getting ready to go somewhere, just to kind of create the energy, and we sing it and we laugh and sa Bean loves it too, So just of all the things to be on the engraving, to have it be that.
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Speaker 4: And then we did some.
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Speaker 3: Research on it, and look, I had no idea the history of this song, but it actually does have quite a bit of history. And it's a song of revolution. It's a song of rising up. It's a song of new beginning and resistance. Resistance specifically, it was certainly used during World War Two among the Italians, but it originated among rice workers, female rice workers in Italy, who they believe were singing to kind of say goodbye to their youth, goodbye, you know, goodbye beautiful it literally, that's how it translates, And so it was, and it just was adopted in the Second World War as a song of resistance.
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Speaker 2: But the story you're telling me about I didn't remember from COVID.
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Speaker 3: So if you recall where COVID hit northern Italy so so horribly, and so people were in the windows singing. Do you remember all those videos and images of all the Italians that would just lean out of their windows and they'd start singing. That was one of the songs that carried a lot of Italians who were sequestered and stuck in their small apartments. They would lean out of their windows and sing Bellachow, bellachow, bella chow chow chow.
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Speaker 1: If anybody don't, you would know as soon as you hear it. It's almost it's one of those things. It's almost unmistakable.
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Speaker 2: Dun d d d.
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Speaker 4: It feels celebratory.
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Speaker 1: It it's a wonderful song. How those words end up on the casing of a bullet miant for Charlie Kirk is something I would love to get answered.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: So there is one other inscription. I just found it because this is the one we I couldn't catch it to write it down.
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Speaker 4: It was so bizarre.
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Speaker 3: But I don't know if any one of you listening can have any idea what this might mean. But some one of the casings said notices bulges, Oh woh, what's this.
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Speaker 1: The internet meme phrase, what's this to explain it's some internet meme situation.
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Speaker 2: You all forgive us notices.
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Speaker 4: I guess we're old people.
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Speaker 1: We don't know when you knocked this out for right now.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and the other thing with the hay fascist catch, they said it was followed by an arrow symbol up, a right arrow symbol, and three down arrow symbols. So this is like hieroglyphics to me. I don't know what any of that means. So it's okay, I'm saying, oh w references and potocon and what's this denotes cuteness or curiosity? It's like a gamer thing that that. So who knows? And I'm sure it'll be dissected for quite some time.
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Speaker 1: And some of the things we heard. We looked at you, I think you said, what is he twelve? Like it seemed like very child gay.
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Speaker 3: Things seemed really like lmao, like that seemed incredibly childish and juvenile. And yeah, I just didn't it didn't. I didn't understand it.
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Speaker 1: I didn't understand as well. And look, I know he was having a moment. And maybe you'll maybe you were moved by it, touched by.
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Speaker 5: It, or confused by it, or maybe you didn't think anything of it at all. But the governor going to Cox out there wanted to take a moment and he look, it.
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Speaker 2: Was, uh, I don't know.
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Speaker 1: He wanted to He had something on his mind he wanted to say, and he took which I think were at least ten but maybe fifteen minutes, and almost wanted to do an address to the nation and say a number of things in that moment.
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Speaker 2: It did feel like it went a little long.
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Speaker 1: I don't again, in moments like this, you don't want to criticize somebody for what they're going through, the paying what he's helping us state through and those students through. That's a lot. But he did going for quite a bit. But something he said that had our ears perked up, and I was curious about it.
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Speaker 2: Ropes.
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Speaker 1: He said he had the hope that this wouldn't be one of theirs. And when you said, when he said it, before he even finished the next part, you said the thing he was about to address next, and you're like, what, it's better if if somebody.
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Speaker 3: Else, if it's somebody from Colorado, if it's somebody from Missouri, that that would be better.
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Speaker 4: I think the issue I took with that, and look.
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Speaker 3: Again, I do want to give him grace in the sense that he has been up. He said he slept for ninety minutes in the last thirty three hours. Anyone who's had sleep deprivation knows you're not firing on all cylinders. And I'm not suggesting that he didn't know what he was saying, but I think if maybe he thought it through. The problem with that is, isn't that the issue tribalism us versus them? We wanted it to not be someone from Utah because then it wouldn't stain our state. No, we're all humans, We're all Americans. Isn't that the point we're making. It shouldn't be Republicans versus Democrats, utah ins versus New Yorkers like he actually fed into the exact storyline he was trying to dissolve by saying we should all unite and talk through things and work together, and violence isn't the option all. But then he completely went straight to tribalism by saying, I was praying that it wasn't one of us, and sadly my prayers weren't answered because it turns out it was one of us.
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Speaker 4: No, it's all of us humans. People find even Americans.
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Speaker 3: I just I was scratching my head because I maybe he just didn't realize that he was literally actually feeding into a narrative.
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Speaker 4: He was trying to tell us all to rise above, and.
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Speaker 2: We can't help.
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Speaker 1: But and this was the best point, Robes, And that was a great one to make to end on here hoping he wasn't one of us.
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Speaker 4: He is one of us.
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Speaker 1: He's one of ours. He's one of all of ours. Where did we in New York fail some kid in Utah? I don't know, but we're all a part of this mess. And whatever created this young man who felt he had to do what he did, we want to dismiss and say he's sick, he's all these things. The act was evil, But what is he?
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Speaker 2: I wonder? The act was evil?
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Speaker 1: Can we ever separate the act from the actor and realize that he is an American, a human being. He is somebody that we failed somewhere and we got to stop creating those type of Americans. And so that was tough to you. We did not discuss this ahead of time, But to your point, he made a fifteen minute speech about us all coming together and saying, damn, he ain't one of us, he ain't one of ours.
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Speaker 4: It's a very good point, you know.
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Speaker 3: I think the other takeaway for me, I know so many of us feel helpless, not just with this story, but with so many of these stories of shooters, and you know, the red sign, the red flags and the warning signs we missed. I think where I am right now, all individually that I feel like I can do today, right now, is to be tolerant, To be more tolerant when someone says something I don't like, when someone believes something I don't agree with, or someone actually I vehemently oppose, to take a beat, to be tolerant, to keep my mind open, to not jump to assumptions or judgments. And I think individually, we can all do that, and we can all take that on as a mission and something that we practice daily. And kids are kids, Younger folks are watching us, and what we do and what we say matters, and that's where our power lies.
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Speaker 1: Well, folks, there will be plenty more updates. We will bring them to you. We've been hopping on in front of these microphones. Uh an awful lot. It seems as weak with a lot of updates. We appreciate you always listening to us again. Top right button of the screen where you see our show page in the Apple Podcast app, it says follow click on that won't have to go chase down our new episodes.
00:24:22
Speaker 2: Uh, they'll come right to you.
00:24:23
Speaker 1: But as always, folks, we appreciate you listening to us.
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