July 6, 2026
Charlie Kirk Accused Killer In Court: Faces Kirk’s Wife And Parents For First Time
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RSS Feed Today is day one of a preliminary hearing expected to last all week for 23-year-old Tyler Robinson. Robinson is facing the death penalty for the September 10th murder of Charlie Kirk, who was shot and killed while speaking to a crowd of 3 thousand people at Utah Valley University. Prosecutors will be laying out its evidence against Robinson, which will include a video taped statement from Robinson’s former roommate and romantic partner, to convince a judge there is enough proof to go to trial. The hearing, which will resemble a mini-trial, will be live-streamed and will mark the first time Charlie Kirk’s widow Erica and his parents will be face-to-face with Robinson.
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00:00:02
Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Monday, July sixth, and as we record this, people are starting to file into a courtroom in Utah, and in that courtroom will be the widow of Charlie Kirk and the man accused of gunning him down. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Robe. This is a really significant day in a case or ope, the Charlie Kirk killing, we go back to it really did a lot to change the conversation around politics in this country, and today we are going to now find out more than we probably have in this entire case about that killing.
00:00:44
Speaker 2: That's right, because this is just day one of a five day preliminary hearing at least that's how long it's expected to go, where the prosecution will be presenting its evidence to a judge who will then decide if there is enough to go to trial. It's expected that that will take place, but at issue among many is the death penalty. Prosecutors have said they are seeking the death penalty against twenty three year old Tyler Robinson, and a judge at the end of this yes, gets to decide if it goes to trial, but also gets to decide if the evidence supports that death penalty. Yeah, yeah, the possibility of a death penalty sentence or life in prison without parole.
00:01:26
Speaker 1: And I guess that's probably the bigger mystery, if you will, roads, because a lot of people might be listening and what do you mean deciding whether or not there's enough evidence. Yes, we fully expect, and we've seen a lot of preliminary hearings. This is a formality. This one's going to go a little longer, but Romes, we're kind of about to see a trial start.
00:01:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is being described as a mini trial. And yes, the other big deal here is there are cameras in the courtroom. This entire thing is going to be live streamed to the world and Charlie Kirk's widow, Eric Kirk, and Charlie Kirk's parents are all supposed to be in that courtroom. So yes, this will be a big deal. This is the first time the people who love Charlie Kirk are going to be in the same room with face to face with the man accused of killing him in front of what three thousand people last September.
00:02:18
Speaker 1: And it's something we are talking about, and again it sounds almost ridiculous. We're considering what do you mean you just decide whether or not there's enough evidence for a killing that was recorded by how many cameras? It's while to think we saw an assassination player, So I mean, you could probably argue hundreds of people might have it on their phones, be given what was happening there at the time. So yes, there's a lot more evidence to within that. But yeah, this is a and the fact that we are seeing this today he said it's going to be live streams. There's been a lot of back and forth since Charlie Kirk was killed about this legal maneuvering. One of the biggest questions was not really necessarily the defendant versus the prosecution, it was the media versus the court room. The media has been fighting to make sure your cameras are in this court.
00:03:03
Speaker 2: Room, absolutely and they succeeded, and much to the defensive chagrin, they absolutely tried to ban cameras from the courtroom. Their argument that this has already been tried in the court of public opinion just given the public nature of the assassination, obviously there is an unbelievable amount of fascination. People had very strong reactions to the killing itself, and then think about this is I can't think of another murder case where you had so many people in all sorts of different professions fired from their jobs, lost careers, reputations over what they tweeted or what they put out in social media over what they thought about this murder. I mean, this is a case like we haven't seen ever before, truly in terms of just the ripple effects, the impact it's had, and the reactions people have.
00:03:58
Speaker 1: And again it was thought there was going to be a nice moment. Right about reactions afterwards, you hear of Republicans, Democrats, everybody immediately condemned like this is awful, and then Rose. It wasn't long we were back to fighting, and we were fighting over what was his legacy? Can you at all question anything he ever said without putting him down? And Rose in a whole fight, erupts because this is a conservative hero. And then the other side was mentioning things that he said they were objectionable before. So roes this is we things got hot, like we thought it was gonna calm down. We saw this man gunned down, We saw that blood trickle down his body. Robes that shocked the hell out of us, and it didn't take long for we were fighting harder than ever I know he with each other.
00:04:42
Speaker 2: It was so sad because there was such an opportunity for unity and the opposite happened, unfortunately. And right now, this twenty three year old he is facing. Here are the charges, just to put it out there, He's facing aggravated murder, fel any use of a firearm, committing a violent offense in the presence of a child, obstruction of justice, and witness tampering. And so those are a significant number of charges. He has not officially entered a plea. I hadn't realized this right now. So at the end of the hearing, how it works, if the judge finds that there is sufficient evidence, that is when Robinson will officially be arraigned and then enter his please whether it's guilty or not guilty. And if it's guilty, if there's some sort of plea deal, then we won't have to go to trial.
00:05:28
Speaker 1: But that's not expected. I have to admit the order of this through me. It's weird, right entered a plea? I don't know. Actually, sorry, we don't have a lawyer here to explain that. But I'm not used to that order.
00:05:39
Speaker 2: Every state does it differently.
00:05:40
Speaker 1: Deliberately, but yet it's that was last September. He still hasn't entered a plea. Correct.
00:05:46
Speaker 2: That is strange, not something we typically see. But here's what we're expecting to see in court this week, and as you pointed out, we're going to get a lot of details that we haven't seen or heard before. And one of the big probably the highlight, i should say, or at least what folks are most looking to hear from, is the roommate slash romantic partner of the defendant here, Tyler Robinson, because he is the one who has there isn't necessarily a smoking gun. They do have a gun, but they haven't been able to ballistically necessarily tie it to Tyler Robinson. But his roommate, his romantic partner, has been granted limited immunity and so he has made a recorded statement. The defense was really upset about this, tried to block it because their argument was, we can't cross examine the roommate, We can't cross examine this romantic partner. He just gets to say what he wants to say and that's all that's going to be considered. But in this preliminary hearing, hearsay is allowed.
00:06:48
Speaker 1: You don't have those rights. This is a different beast. So yes, that is I hear their argument, but no, the rules are different.
00:06:56
Speaker 2: I didn't realize this. Again, this is not something we're used to seeing, this long kind of mini trial, preliminary hearing where the same rules that apply at trial don't apply to this hearing. So yes, that statement is going to be allowed into evidence, don't.
00:07:10
Speaker 1: They sometimes wave a preliminary hearing.
00:07:13
Speaker 2: Sometimes they do some of that.
00:07:14
Speaker 1: Defendants like, no, it's we're going to go for I.
00:07:16
Speaker 2: Don't want all the dirty laundry aired out for the public, and especially given that it's televised. But the defense also likes to see what the prosecution has.
00:07:25
Speaker 1: You know, me, I'm ridiculous robes or some of my movie references that the my cousin Vinny, my cousin Anny, when early on and he didn't ask the He said, why don't you ask them any questions? He said, you're you're from New York, you killed a good old boy. There's no way this is not going to trial. This is I don't know why, you know, am I ridiculous? Yes, but that is kind of what this is robes. Why would the defense why do they want to go through this whole process? Do they want access and want to see it all laid out?
00:07:55
Speaker 2: That must be the case.
00:07:56
Speaker 1: Oftentimes they're like, uh uh, that's okay, we'll pass on that for now.
00:07:59
Speaker 2: Yes, we've seen that more often than not. So this is an unusual window into what the prosecution has in terms of evidence against their client. But on the other hand, everyone else gets to see it too, including a pool of potential jury.
00:08:12
Speaker 1: This a lot is about to come out today.
00:08:15
Speaker 2: Right, yes, yes, okay, so we know we're going to get that recorded statement from the roommate slash romantic partner. And also and that will be the explanation behind the other big part of this evidence, because reportedly Robinson sent that text message and it was basically a confession. He told his roommate to look under the keyboard. Under the keyboard was a note, a handwritten note reportedly that said I had the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk and I'm going to take it. And so, if you recall, that is when the roommate started texting Robinson saying you weren't the one who did it, right, I am I'm sorry. I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can't be negotiated. Then he told his roommate he was going to turn himself in, asked him to delete the messages. If police ask you questions, ask for a lawyer, and stay silent. That's the kind of evidence we already know is going to be there.
00:09:11
Speaker 1: But that's all.
00:09:12
Speaker 2: Going to be officially entered into court today. Tamber, damn it, that's right.
00:09:17
Speaker 1: I would love to hear. What is the defense going to be. You can't have a defense to that other than the well, he was just faking because he was just trying to act like he didn't have anything to do with it. He just want to take care of That's what else can you say? What are you supposed to have?
00:09:31
Speaker 2: And that is why it will be fascinating to see what happens today in court. Several confessions, yes, so law enforcement officials are going to be up on the stand. Forensic experts are expected to testify because there is a little bit I mentioned of this ballistic evidence that they do believe the defense is going to jump onto that. But remember police found that Bold action rifle with the mounted scope wrapped in a towel in the woods, just as he suggested to his roommate where he left it. He wanted to go back and get it. He couldn't. All of that again on text messages directly referencing the exact gun they found. There was one spent round and three unspent that were engraved with messages on them. So look there is so there's surveillance footage. And then there was the fact that his parents convinced him to turn himself in because they recognized him from the surveillance footage. They recognized the gun and said, wow, that looks like my son's gun.
00:10:27
Speaker 1: His parents walked him to the police station. Did think not?
00:10:30
Speaker 2: They did, in fact, so this is going to be an uphill battle, so to speak. Well, our defense Journey said, this is a stinker of a case for the defense. But when we come back, we will tell you what some folks believe the defense will try to say to protect Tyler Robinson, or at least to provide an alternate theory as to what happened to Charlie Kirk. Welcome back everyone to this episode of Amy and TJ. Tyler Robinson. Twenty three year old Tyler Robinson is going to be in court today, facing his first day of a preliminary hearing, and in that courtroom, we're going to see Erica Kirk, Charlie Kirk's widow, his parents, seeing Tyler Robinson for the first time, and the rest of the world's going to be watching. This is going to be live streamed. It happens at eleven am Eastern time, nine am Local time. They're in Utah. And look, we've been talking about the prosecution. They're going to be presenting their case to a judge who's going to determine whether or not they're sufficient evidence to move to trial, and whether or not that evidence suggests that a death penalty should be on the table for jurors to consider. And so all of that will be decided this week. But are we going to hear what the defense is mounting. A lot of folks are saying that they're going to really cling to this inconclusivity in the evidence and the bullet fragments, that they can't say that the bullet fragment found in Charlie Kirk is actually connected to the rifle that they found in the woods near the scene of the shooting. And there are conspiracy theories, as you might imagine, and so they think that the defense is going to lean heavily on conspiracy theories to try and suggest these that there's some he's been framed. It's just been made to look like this is the killer.
00:12:25
Speaker 1: About where are we on the bullet fragment?
00:12:28
Speaker 2: So basically there, it's inconclusive. The bullet fragments, they have not been able they've not been able to rule out or rule in the bullet fragments to the gun that was found near the sign.
00:12:39
Speaker 1: All right, fine, throw it completely out. We have one hundred and seven other things to link you to this crime.
00:12:47
Speaker 2: Planted evidence.
00:12:49
Speaker 1: It wasn't me, Yeah, who stole your phone and started in those text messages? I can't wait to hear this. And again we've always seen ropes. Defense attorneys come up with some creative stuff they do.
00:13:01
Speaker 2: And look, this is, as you pointed out earlier, this was a murder that had so many angles. How many cell phones were rolling when Charlie Kirk was shot in the neck in front of three thousand people, ironically answering a question about gun violence. But when you can see A, you've got the autopsy results, B you've got the trajectory of that bullet. You can see where it came from. You can see where the gun was found, and there is I believe other DNA on this gun because it was handled by several people. But at the end of the day, the evidence that we've seen so far, it's hard to imagine that the defense is going to be able to poke enough holes in it, throw enough other possible scenarios of who could actually be the mastermind behind or if this wasn't even their client at all. He's just being framed. Look, his own parents are involved in him rendering to police.
00:14:01
Speaker 1: Then they get a pastor or somebody they did, Yes, sis, okay, but he at this point always he's an innocent man until proven otherwise in that court, and until twelve people decide he is guilty. Rogues you were saying, mentioning Erica Kirk, My goodness, I hadn't thought about this moment since it happened. You remember she got up on that stage and said, I forgive you. Remember that, I.
00:14:26
Speaker 2: Do remember that she's going to be very shortly after the murder. She got up on stage and said her faith allowed her to forgive her husband's killer. But now sitting in that courtroom, staring at him directly. Having Charlie Kirk's parents by her side, you know, she's had time to reflect, She's had time to actually experience the significant loss in her life, the hole it's left for her and for her children. Look, that's going to be quite a day. I cannot imagine sitting in that courtroom in breathing the same air as the man who's accused of killing the person she loved. I mean, this is going to be and cameras. I mean, I don't know how many cameras are going to be in that courtroom, but I imagine this is going to be quite the spectacle and people are going to be watching every second of it. I'm sure there'll be shots of her face, of Charlie Kirk's parents face. This is going to be, I mean, as as tragic and as awful as it is, it is theater of sorts. And this is partially why the defense didn't want this broadcast to the world.
00:15:29
Speaker 1: Because you're going to see very sympathetic people. Yes you are today and no matter how young he is and how youthful he may look, and frankly, roads there's nothing intimidating or menacing if you just look at this guy. But this is going to be a very emotional and difficult day for the family. And we talk about the optics. You're talking about the camera ropes. Take all that away. If she just had to sit in there, she has to hear this stuff like this. I assume there's a bunch of details show.
00:15:56
Speaker 2: Autopsy results are going to be read, and sometimes we see the victim's family leave court when that's read, and I can see that possibly being the case as well. Although I feel like at this point she's probably I mean, imagine then, to know that the video of your husband being murdered has been watched by millions of people. You know. I don't know how much she was willing to watch or how much she consumed about all this, but I in this case, she's probably heard and seen just about everything.
00:16:20
Speaker 1: But I am curious. I'm sitting here two feet away from you. What pew right, What seat is she going to take in the courtroom? How many feet away from this guy? Is she going to be the guy that changed her life, who took her husband away, took kid's dad away. Can you sit ten feet away from that guy and not react? Can you sit twenty feet away from that guy, and what does that feel like? So as much has been said and talked about, as much as she has been scrutinized for a bunch of stuff, and look, everybody's heart goes out to her today is a that's a my I just I can't imagine what it takes for her to be in there today.
00:17:00
Speaker 2: So yes, I cannot either, and I'm sure just about anybody can just shudder at the thought of being in that position. But we will be watching. We'll bring you any new details that come out of that courtroom in Utah today, but we always appreciate you listening to us. Everyone. I'm Amy Roebuck alongside TJ. Holmes. We'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Monday, July sixth, and as we record this, people are starting to file into a courtroom in Utah, and in that courtroom will be the widow of Charlie Kirk and the man accused of gunning him down. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Robe. This is a really significant day in a case or ope, the Charlie Kirk killing, we go back to it really did a lot to change the conversation around politics in this country, and today we are going to now find out more than we probably have in this entire case about that killing.
00:00:44
Speaker 2: That's right, because this is just day one of a five day preliminary hearing at least that's how long it's expected to go, where the prosecution will be presenting its evidence to a judge who will then decide if there is enough to go to trial. It's expected that that will take place, but at issue among many is the death penalty. Prosecutors have said they are seeking the death penalty against twenty three year old Tyler Robinson, and a judge at the end of this yes, gets to decide if it goes to trial, but also gets to decide if the evidence supports that death penalty. Yeah, yeah, the possibility of a death penalty sentence or life in prison without parole.
00:01:26
Speaker 1: And I guess that's probably the bigger mystery, if you will, roads, because a lot of people might be listening and what do you mean deciding whether or not there's enough evidence. Yes, we fully expect, and we've seen a lot of preliminary hearings. This is a formality. This one's going to go a little longer, but Romes, we're kind of about to see a trial start.
00:01:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is being described as a mini trial. And yes, the other big deal here is there are cameras in the courtroom. This entire thing is going to be live streamed to the world and Charlie Kirk's widow, Eric Kirk, and Charlie Kirk's parents are all supposed to be in that courtroom. So yes, this will be a big deal. This is the first time the people who love Charlie Kirk are going to be in the same room with face to face with the man accused of killing him in front of what three thousand people last September.
00:02:18
Speaker 1: And it's something we are talking about, and again it sounds almost ridiculous. We're considering what do you mean you just decide whether or not there's enough evidence for a killing that was recorded by how many cameras? It's while to think we saw an assassination player, So I mean, you could probably argue hundreds of people might have it on their phones, be given what was happening there at the time. So yes, there's a lot more evidence to within that. But yeah, this is a and the fact that we are seeing this today he said it's going to be live streams. There's been a lot of back and forth since Charlie Kirk was killed about this legal maneuvering. One of the biggest questions was not really necessarily the defendant versus the prosecution, it was the media versus the court room. The media has been fighting to make sure your cameras are in this court.
00:03:03
Speaker 2: Room, absolutely and they succeeded, and much to the defensive chagrin, they absolutely tried to ban cameras from the courtroom. Their argument that this has already been tried in the court of public opinion just given the public nature of the assassination, obviously there is an unbelievable amount of fascination. People had very strong reactions to the killing itself, and then think about this is I can't think of another murder case where you had so many people in all sorts of different professions fired from their jobs, lost careers, reputations over what they tweeted or what they put out in social media over what they thought about this murder. I mean, this is a case like we haven't seen ever before, truly in terms of just the ripple effects, the impact it's had, and the reactions people have.
00:03:58
Speaker 1: And again it was thought there was going to be a nice moment. Right about reactions afterwards, you hear of Republicans, Democrats, everybody immediately condemned like this is awful, and then Rose. It wasn't long we were back to fighting, and we were fighting over what was his legacy? Can you at all question anything he ever said without putting him down? And Rose in a whole fight, erupts because this is a conservative hero. And then the other side was mentioning things that he said they were objectionable before. So roes this is we things got hot, like we thought it was gonna calm down. We saw this man gunned down, We saw that blood trickle down his body. Robes that shocked the hell out of us, and it didn't take long for we were fighting harder than ever I know he with each other.
00:04:42
Speaker 2: It was so sad because there was such an opportunity for unity and the opposite happened, unfortunately. And right now, this twenty three year old he is facing. Here are the charges, just to put it out there, He's facing aggravated murder, fel any use of a firearm, committing a violent offense in the presence of a child, obstruction of justice, and witness tampering. And so those are a significant number of charges. He has not officially entered a plea. I hadn't realized this right now. So at the end of the hearing, how it works, if the judge finds that there is sufficient evidence, that is when Robinson will officially be arraigned and then enter his please whether it's guilty or not guilty. And if it's guilty, if there's some sort of plea deal, then we won't have to go to trial.
00:05:28
Speaker 1: But that's not expected. I have to admit the order of this through me. It's weird, right entered a plea? I don't know. Actually, sorry, we don't have a lawyer here to explain that. But I'm not used to that order.
00:05:39
Speaker 2: Every state does it differently.
00:05:40
Speaker 1: Deliberately, but yet it's that was last September. He still hasn't entered a plea. Correct.
00:05:46
Speaker 2: That is strange, not something we typically see. But here's what we're expecting to see in court this week, and as you pointed out, we're going to get a lot of details that we haven't seen or heard before. And one of the big probably the highlight, i should say, or at least what folks are most looking to hear from, is the roommate slash romantic partner of the defendant here, Tyler Robinson, because he is the one who has there isn't necessarily a smoking gun. They do have a gun, but they haven't been able to ballistically necessarily tie it to Tyler Robinson. But his roommate, his romantic partner, has been granted limited immunity and so he has made a recorded statement. The defense was really upset about this, tried to block it because their argument was, we can't cross examine the roommate, We can't cross examine this romantic partner. He just gets to say what he wants to say and that's all that's going to be considered. But in this preliminary hearing, hearsay is allowed.
00:06:48
Speaker 1: You don't have those rights. This is a different beast. So yes, that is I hear their argument, but no, the rules are different.
00:06:56
Speaker 2: I didn't realize this. Again, this is not something we're used to seeing, this long kind of mini trial, preliminary hearing where the same rules that apply at trial don't apply to this hearing. So yes, that statement is going to be allowed into evidence, don't.
00:07:10
Speaker 1: They sometimes wave a preliminary hearing.
00:07:13
Speaker 2: Sometimes they do some of that.
00:07:14
Speaker 1: Defendants like, no, it's we're going to go for I.
00:07:16
Speaker 2: Don't want all the dirty laundry aired out for the public, and especially given that it's televised. But the defense also likes to see what the prosecution has.
00:07:25
Speaker 1: You know, me, I'm ridiculous robes or some of my movie references that the my cousin Vinny, my cousin Anny, when early on and he didn't ask the He said, why don't you ask them any questions? He said, you're you're from New York, you killed a good old boy. There's no way this is not going to trial. This is I don't know why, you know, am I ridiculous? Yes, but that is kind of what this is robes. Why would the defense why do they want to go through this whole process? Do they want access and want to see it all laid out?
00:07:55
Speaker 2: That must be the case.
00:07:56
Speaker 1: Oftentimes they're like, uh uh, that's okay, we'll pass on that for now.
00:07:59
Speaker 2: Yes, we've seen that more often than not. So this is an unusual window into what the prosecution has in terms of evidence against their client. But on the other hand, everyone else gets to see it too, including a pool of potential jury.
00:08:12
Speaker 1: This a lot is about to come out today.
00:08:15
Speaker 2: Right, yes, yes, okay, so we know we're going to get that recorded statement from the roommate slash romantic partner. And also and that will be the explanation behind the other big part of this evidence, because reportedly Robinson sent that text message and it was basically a confession. He told his roommate to look under the keyboard. Under the keyboard was a note, a handwritten note reportedly that said I had the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk and I'm going to take it. And so, if you recall, that is when the roommate started texting Robinson saying you weren't the one who did it, right, I am I'm sorry. I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can't be negotiated. Then he told his roommate he was going to turn himself in, asked him to delete the messages. If police ask you questions, ask for a lawyer, and stay silent. That's the kind of evidence we already know is going to be there.
00:09:11
Speaker 1: But that's all.
00:09:12
Speaker 2: Going to be officially entered into court today. Tamber, damn it, that's right.
00:09:17
Speaker 1: I would love to hear. What is the defense going to be. You can't have a defense to that other than the well, he was just faking because he was just trying to act like he didn't have anything to do with it. He just want to take care of That's what else can you say? What are you supposed to have?
00:09:31
Speaker 2: And that is why it will be fascinating to see what happens today in court. Several confessions, yes, so law enforcement officials are going to be up on the stand. Forensic experts are expected to testify because there is a little bit I mentioned of this ballistic evidence that they do believe the defense is going to jump onto that. But remember police found that Bold action rifle with the mounted scope wrapped in a towel in the woods, just as he suggested to his roommate where he left it. He wanted to go back and get it. He couldn't. All of that again on text messages directly referencing the exact gun they found. There was one spent round and three unspent that were engraved with messages on them. So look there is so there's surveillance footage. And then there was the fact that his parents convinced him to turn himself in because they recognized him from the surveillance footage. They recognized the gun and said, wow, that looks like my son's gun.
00:10:27
Speaker 1: His parents walked him to the police station. Did think not?
00:10:30
Speaker 2: They did, in fact, so this is going to be an uphill battle, so to speak. Well, our defense Journey said, this is a stinker of a case for the defense. But when we come back, we will tell you what some folks believe the defense will try to say to protect Tyler Robinson, or at least to provide an alternate theory as to what happened to Charlie Kirk. Welcome back everyone to this episode of Amy and TJ. Tyler Robinson. Twenty three year old Tyler Robinson is going to be in court today, facing his first day of a preliminary hearing, and in that courtroom, we're going to see Erica Kirk, Charlie Kirk's widow, his parents, seeing Tyler Robinson for the first time, and the rest of the world's going to be watching. This is going to be live streamed. It happens at eleven am Eastern time, nine am Local time. They're in Utah. And look, we've been talking about the prosecution. They're going to be presenting their case to a judge who's going to determine whether or not they're sufficient evidence to move to trial, and whether or not that evidence suggests that a death penalty should be on the table for jurors to consider. And so all of that will be decided this week. But are we going to hear what the defense is mounting. A lot of folks are saying that they're going to really cling to this inconclusivity in the evidence and the bullet fragments, that they can't say that the bullet fragment found in Charlie Kirk is actually connected to the rifle that they found in the woods near the scene of the shooting. And there are conspiracy theories, as you might imagine, and so they think that the defense is going to lean heavily on conspiracy theories to try and suggest these that there's some he's been framed. It's just been made to look like this is the killer.
00:12:25
Speaker 1: About where are we on the bullet fragment?
00:12:28
Speaker 2: So basically there, it's inconclusive. The bullet fragments, they have not been able they've not been able to rule out or rule in the bullet fragments to the gun that was found near the sign.
00:12:39
Speaker 1: All right, fine, throw it completely out. We have one hundred and seven other things to link you to this crime.
00:12:47
Speaker 2: Planted evidence.
00:12:49
Speaker 1: It wasn't me, Yeah, who stole your phone and started in those text messages? I can't wait to hear this. And again we've always seen ropes. Defense attorneys come up with some creative stuff they do.
00:13:01
Speaker 2: And look, this is, as you pointed out earlier, this was a murder that had so many angles. How many cell phones were rolling when Charlie Kirk was shot in the neck in front of three thousand people, ironically answering a question about gun violence. But when you can see A, you've got the autopsy results, B you've got the trajectory of that bullet. You can see where it came from. You can see where the gun was found, and there is I believe other DNA on this gun because it was handled by several people. But at the end of the day, the evidence that we've seen so far, it's hard to imagine that the defense is going to be able to poke enough holes in it, throw enough other possible scenarios of who could actually be the mastermind behind or if this wasn't even their client at all. He's just being framed. Look, his own parents are involved in him rendering to police.
00:14:01
Speaker 1: Then they get a pastor or somebody they did, Yes, sis, okay, but he at this point always he's an innocent man until proven otherwise in that court, and until twelve people decide he is guilty. Rogues you were saying, mentioning Erica Kirk, My goodness, I hadn't thought about this moment since it happened. You remember she got up on that stage and said, I forgive you. Remember that, I.
00:14:26
Speaker 2: Do remember that she's going to be very shortly after the murder. She got up on stage and said her faith allowed her to forgive her husband's killer. But now sitting in that courtroom, staring at him directly. Having Charlie Kirk's parents by her side, you know, she's had time to reflect, She's had time to actually experience the significant loss in her life, the hole it's left for her and for her children. Look, that's going to be quite a day. I cannot imagine sitting in that courtroom in breathing the same air as the man who's accused of killing the person she loved. I mean, this is going to be and cameras. I mean, I don't know how many cameras are going to be in that courtroom, but I imagine this is going to be quite the spectacle and people are going to be watching every second of it. I'm sure there'll be shots of her face, of Charlie Kirk's parents face. This is going to be, I mean, as as tragic and as awful as it is, it is theater of sorts. And this is partially why the defense didn't want this broadcast to the world.
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Speaker 1: Because you're going to see very sympathetic people. Yes you are today and no matter how young he is and how youthful he may look, and frankly, roads there's nothing intimidating or menacing if you just look at this guy. But this is going to be a very emotional and difficult day for the family. And we talk about the optics. You're talking about the camera ropes. Take all that away. If she just had to sit in there, she has to hear this stuff like this. I assume there's a bunch of details show.
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Speaker 2: Autopsy results are going to be read, and sometimes we see the victim's family leave court when that's read, and I can see that possibly being the case as well. Although I feel like at this point she's probably I mean, imagine then, to know that the video of your husband being murdered has been watched by millions of people. You know. I don't know how much she was willing to watch or how much she consumed about all this, but I in this case, she's probably heard and seen just about everything.
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Speaker 1: But I am curious. I'm sitting here two feet away from you. What pew right, What seat is she going to take in the courtroom? How many feet away from this guy? Is she going to be the guy that changed her life, who took her husband away, took kid's dad away. Can you sit ten feet away from that guy and not react? Can you sit twenty feet away from that guy, and what does that feel like? So as much has been said and talked about, as much as she has been scrutinized for a bunch of stuff, and look, everybody's heart goes out to her today is a that's a my I just I can't imagine what it takes for her to be in there today.
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Speaker 2: So yes, I cannot either, and I'm sure just about anybody can just shudder at the thought of being in that position. But we will be watching. We'll bring you any new details that come out of that courtroom in Utah today, but we always appreciate you listening to us. Everyone. I'm Amy Roebuck alongside TJ. Holmes. We'll talk to you soon.