May 29, 2026
California “Party Mom” Gets 35 Years In Prison
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RSS Feed A judge gave 52-year-old Shannon O’Connor the maximum sentence possible after the California mom was found guilty of more than 4 dozen felony counts. O’Connor cried openly in court as victims and their parents stepped forward to describe the lasting trauma she caused for plying teens with drinks and egging on non-consensual sex in her home. O’Connor claims she held alcohol fueled parties to help her 15-year-old son’s social life, but prosecutors say she is now a sexual predator, convicted felon and a registered sex offender.
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00:00:02
Speaker 1: Hey, the folks, it is Friday, May twenty night. Then you know every group of kids has one cool mom in it that everybody wants to hang out at the party house. That's the party mom. Well, one party mom in California has just been sentenced to over thirty five years in prison for letting kids party at her house. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. I should say that differently party at her house, drinking and non consensual sex.
00:00:31
Speaker 2: This is different, yes, exactly, and in fact it's pretty interesting because she was known, especially among local reporters there in California, as the Los Gato's party mom, because she lived in Los Gato's. It's a very.
00:00:45
Speaker 1: Adorable fluence but awesome little town. Yes, ups out of Santas.
00:00:50
Speaker 2: Exactly, the San Francisco Bay area, fifty two years old, Shannon O'Connor. And yeah, she hosted drunken parties for young teens. She bought alcohol for them, she egged on sexual acts and yes, some of them, I think most of them obviously all of them were non consensual because these kids were underage.
00:01:08
Speaker 1: Okay, give me the we say underage. We're not just talking about teens that are sixteen, seventeen, even fifteen.
00:01:14
Speaker 2: So the majority of the kids were between thirteen and fifteen years old. But there were allegations that she started grooming kids as young as eleven or twelve to come over to her house because she claimed, and her lawyers claimed throughout her trial, that she was trying to help her son's social status and social standing during COVID. That's how this all happened. All of these drunken parties and these sexual acts occurred in twenty twenty and twenty twenty one. But I thought it was so interesting. At her sentencing, which took place yesterday, the district attorney said this, This isn't some fun parent giving SIPs of wine spritzers to kids. She facilitated dangerous and drunken sex acts with these children. She risked their lives and damaged their psychees. She is not a party mom. Shannon O'Connor is a convicted felon. Shannon O'Connor is a registered sex offender.
00:02:14
Speaker 1: We're talking about forty eight felony counts here against this woman. This went on for something. I mean, like the parties went on and on and on. Ropes. Party mom makes for a headline. But this is also being called a pedophile, a rapist, a monster, and romes. When you talk about eleven, twelve, thirteen year old kids being pumped with alcohol, and didn't she hand out condoms?
00:02:44
Speaker 2: Was that she certainly did.
00:02:46
Speaker 1: This was dif this one like I said that, Look, who've been places? Fine, your girls could speak on They've gone to a house here or there and the kid gets to have a sip of a spritzer. That's not what we talk about, yes, what we're talking about.
00:02:58
Speaker 2: Yes. And by the way, she got the maximum sentence. A judge literally threw the book at her yesterday. She got thirty five years and ten months at fifty two. That is effectively a life sentence. And to your point, yes, she was convicted back in March on forty eight counts, four dozen counts, and so yes, the parties themselves, we know there were at least six of them, and she bought vodka, fireball, whiskey beer and hard seltzers. She provided condoms. As you pointed out, she discouraged these kids from telling their parents about the parties, from calling police about the parties. In fact, one of the big moments was when she was a girl testified she wanted to call nine one one because there was a fourteen year old boy who was passed out and so drunk. He was covered in his own vomit, and she was concerned about his safety, his physical safety. So this young girl is asking Shannon O'Connor, can I call nine one one. She refused to let her call for help, so clearly in dangering this kid's life. And she would send snapshot mess sorry snapchat messages or text messages to these teens in the middle of the night to leave their homes and come drink with her, like that's what she was doing.
00:04:14
Speaker 1: I know, obviously we're horror movie fans. We've seen this movie before. Ma I didn't think it was it actually happened.
00:04:21
Speaker 2: You know what. I hadn't thought about that.
00:04:23
Speaker 1: This is the scenario from that movie. Ok. Doc Tavier Spencer, if you haven't seen it, he's in a movie called Mama in which she starts giving the And wasn't that happened to do with her daughter as well? Wouldn't her to be popular?
00:04:35
Speaker 2: Yes, Oh my god, this is so scary. And just the fact that she was just this trying to be cool but became very creepy and predatory, like I never thought about it, but you're right. It has very similar plotline there, except for unfortunately this was actually happening in real life. And do you know at the time of her arrest, at the time of Shannon O'Connor's arrest, I thought this was notable. She had moved at that going to Idaho. When they arrested her, they found ten underage boys and two girls at her home, most of whom had spent the night partying with her. So up until the very end, she was continuing this bizarre behavior.
00:05:16
Speaker 1: It is bizarre, but she claimed it was all for her initially at least for her son, trying a guy out of hand, I suppose. But Robes, the prosecutor, sound like she was, I don't know, trying to relift some part of her high school like she wanted to be cool.
00:05:29
Speaker 2: Uh. Yeah, Look, there are so many movies that in a funny way to pick this, Amy Poehler in Mean Girls walking in saying I'll let you guys drink. I'm the cool mom, you know, kind of playing off of that notion and kind of get sucked into this. I want to be cool again, So what can I do, and it's this weird, yeah, reliving your childhood kind of thing, which it seems like this took on and then took a whole new life of its own. But she had to sit there, Shannon O'Connor, and listen to victim impact statements, which is what we see at sentencing hearings.
00:06:01
Speaker 1: This has been going on all weekends.
00:06:02
Speaker 2: Dozens and dozens of victims and their parents spoke and look she notably. Reporters who were there in the courtroom said she was crying. She was crying throughout some of those victim impact statements, and she cried through her own statement, which we'll get to in a bit. But they talked about these victims how they have been left with lasting trauma. And we got some details from some of the moms who were saying that Shannon O'Connor groomed their daughters, bought lavish gifts for them, So just that's the grooming part of it, you know, it's not just about supplying alcohol, but like supplying expensive gifts to them. And in one case, a mother said that O'Connor gifted her daughter Lingerie at the age of fourteen, a lacey thong that was from supposedly her fifteen year old son to her. But what mom buys a young teen girl a lacey thong and says it's from her son. That is not okay. It is not normal. It messes with because if you've got a mom like figure and a mom sanctioning this behavior encouraging and I don't even want to get into some of the specifics of what she did, but she absolutely threw teens together when they were completely wasted, so they're under the age of consent, and physically they're not able to give consent because they're messed up from all the alcohol she's supplied to them, and then leaves them alone in a room and basically non consensual sex is taking place and she's facilitating It's oh, she's pushing it.
00:07:41
Speaker 1: This is tough to understand. This one's tough to understand. There's a sickness there. Sometimes we talk about pedophilia. It's something hard to understand. Some of this behavior is not just I made a mistake and I let the kids have a six pack. Ro See, that's bad enough. This is she's a mother. Well, these are babies. We were talking about thirteen of babies. These are babies.
00:08:03
Speaker 2: I wanted to read one of the one of the statements that a mom read to Shannon O'Connor, and this really, uh oh, this really stuck with me. She said, you prayed upon my daughter by supplying her alcohol, enticing and pushing sexual situations and pressuring her when she was not in a clear state to consent. When I say, you, and only you, stole her innocence, it is the absolute truth. Man.
00:08:34
Speaker 1: I got so many questions, babe, and some of them are for the parents I do. And there's not a blame situations. It's just hard to understand. Yes, once your kid has gone, maybe you don't know exactly what they're doing, but robes what they described has been going on for a while. You don't notice, like drunk kids. How late are these kids out? Where are they all these kids that adept at lying to their parents? And this was five years ago. Maybe life three sixty wasn't as prevalent in usage or whatever.
00:09:10
Speaker 2: COVID was going on, and maybe they were hoping that their kids were getting some sort of social interaction because school was out and they thought, let me let them hang out at a house where they can all safely congregate, not realizing or recognizing what was happening inside that house.
00:09:24
Speaker 1: Roses, I don't. I guess she was very good at covering her tracks. I guess this happens. But that's a lot of kids, rogues. That's a lot of kids, and a lot of years, and a lot of parties and a lot of alcohol and a lot of How do you keep that quiet among groups of kids who notoriously just talk constantly. I don't know, but there's one of the things you were. We are big on it. In this house. We do say. We say yes, we want to be the party house. Yes, because we want to keep an eye on our kids exactly.
00:09:53
Speaker 2: I want to be in control of what's happening and what's being consumed. When we come back, we are going to let you hear what Shannon O'Connor had to say in court to all those families and to the judge. She was pleading for a lesser sentence. It certainly did not work on the judge. But we want you to hear for yourself what Shannon O'Connor had to say. And welcome back everyone to this episode of Amy and TJ. We are talking about what was duped to a California party mom but when in actuality you heard what happened inside her home as she threw these parties. Now, she was not a party mom. And as the DA described her, she is a convicted felon and she is a registered sex offender. She was found guilty on forty eight counts, and some of these counts are serious. We're talking about facilitating forcible sexual assault of one child onto another child, child endangerment, annoying or molesting a child, just waiting witnesses from testifying. I mean, these are heinous, horrible charges that she was found guilty of two months ago, and she was given the maximum sentence. She's not getting out of prison for the rest of her life. And in court on Thursday, she had to hear directly from the young victims and their families, their parents about just how much damage she caused them.
00:11:23
Speaker 1: Rob This is important. We listened to a lot of victim impact statements lately because we watched a lot of trials. It is such you know, it's one of the most important parts of any trial, and it happens, yes after the verdict robes. This is so important for these folks and to see them take it so seriously, to see them all show up like we got something to say to you, because we're never going to speak to you or see your faith again.
00:11:47
Speaker 2: Yep. But there is a sort of I guess there's a cathartic part to it, of course, but there's a closure where you actually are. This is a part of the process of getting justice. You can't undo what's been done, but it does help these families move forward, and that is something it's very important part of our judicial process which we've been witnessing. The other thing is you don't often hear the person who was convicted, especially when they're going to prison for the rest of their lives, have anything to say. It's actually fairly rare. They usually just say nope, got nothing for you.
00:12:19
Speaker 1: And even when they do roase, we don't often temething about Corey Richards, who spent all that time. She's declaring her innocence, but we often we don't hear folks express remorse. We got all that in this one.
00:12:33
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm going to read you her whole statement. This was very interesting. Shannon O'Connor said this in court after she heard four days the impact of her actions. I wanted to take the time to address the court and all of the families involved, including mine. For the past five years, I've had the chance and time to reflect on this case and what went wrong. I'm not here to make excuses for my actions. I'm fully away about how you all feel about me. I know that you all entrusted me, and I let you all down because of my actions or lack thereof. I have been absent from my own children, missing major milestones and time that I can never get back. They, as well as your own sons and daughters, have suffered. They have lived these past five years parentless. My actions are the cause for your pain, and I am ashamed, and I face every day knowing that I was the cause. I am not sorry for myself. I am sorry for all of you and what I put you through. But as I look at you today, I hope you can find some comfort knowing that I have been punished and will continue to be for years to come.
00:13:47
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe I didn't read it close enough the first time. Does she get she's saying she speaks of things like a mistake or there were times in there my actions. Oh, this is a pattern of behavior of who she is that goes beyond I'm sorry, I let your kid drinking and the kid went out and got an accident. That's a mistake you make. This is okay. Maybe I shouldn't give her too much credit for because what's described as heinous, that doesn't necessarily cut it.
00:14:16
Speaker 2: Well, she's not acknowledging that she has any sort of sickness or any sort of mental issues, or that yes, she is in fact a pedophile. She hasn't acknowledged any of that. But I will say that is more than most families get from the perpetrator of a crime, like you usually don't get that, and she did. I did appreciate the fact that she said, I am not sorry for myself, I am sorry for all of you and what I put you through. So I do. I do think that is something and it's a lot more than a lot of families ever get.
00:14:48
Speaker 1: I give that to you. It was the the time to reflect on the case and what went wrong.
00:14:56
Speaker 2: That was not, that was passive, that was not. That flies in the face of her saying I accept responsibility, because that that certainly is seeming to deflect like something went wrong. No, something didn't go wrong. The circumstances didn't cause this, But she does then get pretty specific and take full responsibility.
00:15:19
Speaker 1: You know, the one I'm thinking about now is is not at the end of trials, death row, final words, the end, the final words. We have heard very recently how someone taking responsibility and actually saying I'm sorry right before the end meant everything to a family. It does, so these things are important, these things aren't.
00:15:40
Speaker 2: And words do matter, and it doesn't change what happened, but it can help you find a way to look to forgive. And when I say forgive, I mean that your freed of the anger, your freed of being held down or held back from resentment. And that does give you a little bit more of an opportunity, makes it a little easier to do that when you get a seemingly sincere apology from someone.
00:16:06
Speaker 1: And the last thing rope, just what is the lesson or what should everybody out there be paying attention to? Who has school age has or middle school or high school age kids robes? And they do come over, they hang out all the time. We're serving them this and serving them food and serving them and then you take off for a little bit. What's happening in the house, don't we all? This could be a cautionary tale. Obviously this is some extreme stuff, but Robes, we need to be mindful. We're responsible for other people's kids in our house.
00:16:37
Speaker 2: I've always taken that very seriously and I also recognize that, Look, it's important to know who your kids friends are, who your kids friends parents are, who your kids are spending time with, what their coaches are doing. Look, plenty of us have had experiences in our lives where yes, we sometimes just I don't want to say blindly, but give adults the benefit of the doubt that they're in the same mindset we are in terms of protecting our children.
00:17:04
Speaker 1: They're entrusted positions, right A coach, a teacher, a fellow.
00:17:08
Speaker 2: Parent, another, another student's parent. You'd think they'd have similar values as you, but you just don't know. And yes, we need to pay attention to who our children are hanging around, period and without everyone. We always appreciate you listening to us. I may be Roeboch alongside TJ. Holmes. We will talk to you soon.
Speaker 1: Hey, the folks, it is Friday, May twenty night. Then you know every group of kids has one cool mom in it that everybody wants to hang out at the party house. That's the party mom. Well, one party mom in California has just been sentenced to over thirty five years in prison for letting kids party at her house. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. I should say that differently party at her house, drinking and non consensual sex.
00:00:31
Speaker 2: This is different, yes, exactly, and in fact it's pretty interesting because she was known, especially among local reporters there in California, as the Los Gato's party mom, because she lived in Los Gato's. It's a very.
00:00:45
Speaker 1: Adorable fluence but awesome little town. Yes, ups out of Santas.
00:00:50
Speaker 2: Exactly, the San Francisco Bay area, fifty two years old, Shannon O'Connor. And yeah, she hosted drunken parties for young teens. She bought alcohol for them, she egged on sexual acts and yes, some of them, I think most of them obviously all of them were non consensual because these kids were underage.
00:01:08
Speaker 1: Okay, give me the we say underage. We're not just talking about teens that are sixteen, seventeen, even fifteen.
00:01:14
Speaker 2: So the majority of the kids were between thirteen and fifteen years old. But there were allegations that she started grooming kids as young as eleven or twelve to come over to her house because she claimed, and her lawyers claimed throughout her trial, that she was trying to help her son's social status and social standing during COVID. That's how this all happened. All of these drunken parties and these sexual acts occurred in twenty twenty and twenty twenty one. But I thought it was so interesting. At her sentencing, which took place yesterday, the district attorney said this, This isn't some fun parent giving SIPs of wine spritzers to kids. She facilitated dangerous and drunken sex acts with these children. She risked their lives and damaged their psychees. She is not a party mom. Shannon O'Connor is a convicted felon. Shannon O'Connor is a registered sex offender.
00:02:14
Speaker 1: We're talking about forty eight felony counts here against this woman. This went on for something. I mean, like the parties went on and on and on. Ropes. Party mom makes for a headline. But this is also being called a pedophile, a rapist, a monster, and romes. When you talk about eleven, twelve, thirteen year old kids being pumped with alcohol, and didn't she hand out condoms?
00:02:44
Speaker 2: Was that she certainly did.
00:02:46
Speaker 1: This was dif this one like I said that, Look, who've been places? Fine, your girls could speak on They've gone to a house here or there and the kid gets to have a sip of a spritzer. That's not what we talk about, yes, what we're talking about.
00:02:58
Speaker 2: Yes. And by the way, she got the maximum sentence. A judge literally threw the book at her yesterday. She got thirty five years and ten months at fifty two. That is effectively a life sentence. And to your point, yes, she was convicted back in March on forty eight counts, four dozen counts, and so yes, the parties themselves, we know there were at least six of them, and she bought vodka, fireball, whiskey beer and hard seltzers. She provided condoms. As you pointed out, she discouraged these kids from telling their parents about the parties, from calling police about the parties. In fact, one of the big moments was when she was a girl testified she wanted to call nine one one because there was a fourteen year old boy who was passed out and so drunk. He was covered in his own vomit, and she was concerned about his safety, his physical safety. So this young girl is asking Shannon O'Connor, can I call nine one one. She refused to let her call for help, so clearly in dangering this kid's life. And she would send snapshot mess sorry snapchat messages or text messages to these teens in the middle of the night to leave their homes and come drink with her, like that's what she was doing.
00:04:14
Speaker 1: I know, obviously we're horror movie fans. We've seen this movie before. Ma I didn't think it was it actually happened.
00:04:21
Speaker 2: You know what. I hadn't thought about that.
00:04:23
Speaker 1: This is the scenario from that movie. Ok. Doc Tavier Spencer, if you haven't seen it, he's in a movie called Mama in which she starts giving the And wasn't that happened to do with her daughter as well? Wouldn't her to be popular?
00:04:35
Speaker 2: Yes, Oh my god, this is so scary. And just the fact that she was just this trying to be cool but became very creepy and predatory, like I never thought about it, but you're right. It has very similar plotline there, except for unfortunately this was actually happening in real life. And do you know at the time of her arrest, at the time of Shannon O'Connor's arrest, I thought this was notable. She had moved at that going to Idaho. When they arrested her, they found ten underage boys and two girls at her home, most of whom had spent the night partying with her. So up until the very end, she was continuing this bizarre behavior.
00:05:16
Speaker 1: It is bizarre, but she claimed it was all for her initially at least for her son, trying a guy out of hand, I suppose. But Robes, the prosecutor, sound like she was, I don't know, trying to relift some part of her high school like she wanted to be cool.
00:05:29
Speaker 2: Uh. Yeah, Look, there are so many movies that in a funny way to pick this, Amy Poehler in Mean Girls walking in saying I'll let you guys drink. I'm the cool mom, you know, kind of playing off of that notion and kind of get sucked into this. I want to be cool again, So what can I do, and it's this weird, yeah, reliving your childhood kind of thing, which it seems like this took on and then took a whole new life of its own. But she had to sit there, Shannon O'Connor, and listen to victim impact statements, which is what we see at sentencing hearings.
00:06:01
Speaker 1: This has been going on all weekends.
00:06:02
Speaker 2: Dozens and dozens of victims and their parents spoke and look she notably. Reporters who were there in the courtroom said she was crying. She was crying throughout some of those victim impact statements, and she cried through her own statement, which we'll get to in a bit. But they talked about these victims how they have been left with lasting trauma. And we got some details from some of the moms who were saying that Shannon O'Connor groomed their daughters, bought lavish gifts for them, So just that's the grooming part of it, you know, it's not just about supplying alcohol, but like supplying expensive gifts to them. And in one case, a mother said that O'Connor gifted her daughter Lingerie at the age of fourteen, a lacey thong that was from supposedly her fifteen year old son to her. But what mom buys a young teen girl a lacey thong and says it's from her son. That is not okay. It is not normal. It messes with because if you've got a mom like figure and a mom sanctioning this behavior encouraging and I don't even want to get into some of the specifics of what she did, but she absolutely threw teens together when they were completely wasted, so they're under the age of consent, and physically they're not able to give consent because they're messed up from all the alcohol she's supplied to them, and then leaves them alone in a room and basically non consensual sex is taking place and she's facilitating It's oh, she's pushing it.
00:07:41
Speaker 1: This is tough to understand. This one's tough to understand. There's a sickness there. Sometimes we talk about pedophilia. It's something hard to understand. Some of this behavior is not just I made a mistake and I let the kids have a six pack. Ro See, that's bad enough. This is she's a mother. Well, these are babies. We were talking about thirteen of babies. These are babies.
00:08:03
Speaker 2: I wanted to read one of the one of the statements that a mom read to Shannon O'Connor, and this really, uh oh, this really stuck with me. She said, you prayed upon my daughter by supplying her alcohol, enticing and pushing sexual situations and pressuring her when she was not in a clear state to consent. When I say, you, and only you, stole her innocence, it is the absolute truth. Man.
00:08:34
Speaker 1: I got so many questions, babe, and some of them are for the parents I do. And there's not a blame situations. It's just hard to understand. Yes, once your kid has gone, maybe you don't know exactly what they're doing, but robes what they described has been going on for a while. You don't notice, like drunk kids. How late are these kids out? Where are they all these kids that adept at lying to their parents? And this was five years ago. Maybe life three sixty wasn't as prevalent in usage or whatever.
00:09:10
Speaker 2: COVID was going on, and maybe they were hoping that their kids were getting some sort of social interaction because school was out and they thought, let me let them hang out at a house where they can all safely congregate, not realizing or recognizing what was happening inside that house.
00:09:24
Speaker 1: Roses, I don't. I guess she was very good at covering her tracks. I guess this happens. But that's a lot of kids, rogues. That's a lot of kids, and a lot of years, and a lot of parties and a lot of alcohol and a lot of How do you keep that quiet among groups of kids who notoriously just talk constantly. I don't know, but there's one of the things you were. We are big on it. In this house. We do say. We say yes, we want to be the party house. Yes, because we want to keep an eye on our kids exactly.
00:09:53
Speaker 2: I want to be in control of what's happening and what's being consumed. When we come back, we are going to let you hear what Shannon O'Connor had to say in court to all those families and to the judge. She was pleading for a lesser sentence. It certainly did not work on the judge. But we want you to hear for yourself what Shannon O'Connor had to say. And welcome back everyone to this episode of Amy and TJ. We are talking about what was duped to a California party mom but when in actuality you heard what happened inside her home as she threw these parties. Now, she was not a party mom. And as the DA described her, she is a convicted felon and she is a registered sex offender. She was found guilty on forty eight counts, and some of these counts are serious. We're talking about facilitating forcible sexual assault of one child onto another child, child endangerment, annoying or molesting a child, just waiting witnesses from testifying. I mean, these are heinous, horrible charges that she was found guilty of two months ago, and she was given the maximum sentence. She's not getting out of prison for the rest of her life. And in court on Thursday, she had to hear directly from the young victims and their families, their parents about just how much damage she caused them.
00:11:23
Speaker 1: Rob This is important. We listened to a lot of victim impact statements lately because we watched a lot of trials. It is such you know, it's one of the most important parts of any trial, and it happens, yes after the verdict robes. This is so important for these folks and to see them take it so seriously, to see them all show up like we got something to say to you, because we're never going to speak to you or see your faith again.
00:11:47
Speaker 2: Yep. But there is a sort of I guess there's a cathartic part to it, of course, but there's a closure where you actually are. This is a part of the process of getting justice. You can't undo what's been done, but it does help these families move forward, and that is something it's very important part of our judicial process which we've been witnessing. The other thing is you don't often hear the person who was convicted, especially when they're going to prison for the rest of their lives, have anything to say. It's actually fairly rare. They usually just say nope, got nothing for you.
00:12:19
Speaker 1: And even when they do roase, we don't often temething about Corey Richards, who spent all that time. She's declaring her innocence, but we often we don't hear folks express remorse. We got all that in this one.
00:12:33
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm going to read you her whole statement. This was very interesting. Shannon O'Connor said this in court after she heard four days the impact of her actions. I wanted to take the time to address the court and all of the families involved, including mine. For the past five years, I've had the chance and time to reflect on this case and what went wrong. I'm not here to make excuses for my actions. I'm fully away about how you all feel about me. I know that you all entrusted me, and I let you all down because of my actions or lack thereof. I have been absent from my own children, missing major milestones and time that I can never get back. They, as well as your own sons and daughters, have suffered. They have lived these past five years parentless. My actions are the cause for your pain, and I am ashamed, and I face every day knowing that I was the cause. I am not sorry for myself. I am sorry for all of you and what I put you through. But as I look at you today, I hope you can find some comfort knowing that I have been punished and will continue to be for years to come.
00:13:47
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe I didn't read it close enough the first time. Does she get she's saying she speaks of things like a mistake or there were times in there my actions. Oh, this is a pattern of behavior of who she is that goes beyond I'm sorry, I let your kid drinking and the kid went out and got an accident. That's a mistake you make. This is okay. Maybe I shouldn't give her too much credit for because what's described as heinous, that doesn't necessarily cut it.
00:14:16
Speaker 2: Well, she's not acknowledging that she has any sort of sickness or any sort of mental issues, or that yes, she is in fact a pedophile. She hasn't acknowledged any of that. But I will say that is more than most families get from the perpetrator of a crime, like you usually don't get that, and she did. I did appreciate the fact that she said, I am not sorry for myself, I am sorry for all of you and what I put you through. So I do. I do think that is something and it's a lot more than a lot of families ever get.
00:14:48
Speaker 1: I give that to you. It was the the time to reflect on the case and what went wrong.
00:14:56
Speaker 2: That was not, that was passive, that was not. That flies in the face of her saying I accept responsibility, because that that certainly is seeming to deflect like something went wrong. No, something didn't go wrong. The circumstances didn't cause this, But she does then get pretty specific and take full responsibility.
00:15:19
Speaker 1: You know, the one I'm thinking about now is is not at the end of trials, death row, final words, the end, the final words. We have heard very recently how someone taking responsibility and actually saying I'm sorry right before the end meant everything to a family. It does, so these things are important, these things aren't.
00:15:40
Speaker 2: And words do matter, and it doesn't change what happened, but it can help you find a way to look to forgive. And when I say forgive, I mean that your freed of the anger, your freed of being held down or held back from resentment. And that does give you a little bit more of an opportunity, makes it a little easier to do that when you get a seemingly sincere apology from someone.
00:16:06
Speaker 1: And the last thing rope, just what is the lesson or what should everybody out there be paying attention to? Who has school age has or middle school or high school age kids robes? And they do come over, they hang out all the time. We're serving them this and serving them food and serving them and then you take off for a little bit. What's happening in the house, don't we all? This could be a cautionary tale. Obviously this is some extreme stuff, but Robes, we need to be mindful. We're responsible for other people's kids in our house.
00:16:37
Speaker 2: I've always taken that very seriously and I also recognize that, Look, it's important to know who your kids friends are, who your kids friends parents are, who your kids are spending time with, what their coaches are doing. Look, plenty of us have had experiences in our lives where yes, we sometimes just I don't want to say blindly, but give adults the benefit of the doubt that they're in the same mindset we are in terms of protecting our children.
00:17:04
Speaker 1: They're entrusted positions, right A coach, a teacher, a fellow.
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Speaker 2: Parent, another, another student's parent. You'd think they'd have similar values as you, but you just don't know. And yes, we need to pay attention to who our children are hanging around, period and without everyone. We always appreciate you listening to us. I may be Roeboch alongside TJ. Holmes. We will talk to you soon.