March 19, 2026
BREAKING: “The Bachelorette” Is CANCELED. And It Happened Live, In the Middle Of This Episode
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RSS Feed Word came down that Disney was cancelling the highly hyped and anticipated new season of the Bachelorette just as we were recording the fallout from newly leaked video of Taylor Frankie Paul attacking her ex. The disturbing video is from the 2023 domestic violence incident between Paul and Dakota Mortenson, where Paul pleaded guilty to aggravated assault. Once you hear the audio of her then 5 year old daughter crying in pain when she’s hit with a metal barstool thrown by Paul, it is clear Disney had no choice but to cancel the entire season.
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Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Thursday, March nineteenth. They have to cancel Taylor Frankie Paul's season of the Bachelorette because now there is video, and with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ Robes. Everybody's been talking about this. We knew there was a chance, but now there is a leaked video that is out there Robes of a domestic violence incident that we knew about from twenty twenty three, in which he pled guilty. I will start with this with you, babe, Bachelorette disposed. This new season supposed to start on Sunday. We weren't together when this video came out just a little while ago. You happened to be out in an appointment, so we didn't watch it together. Let me ask you, aside from Bachelorette, forget show, forget entertainment, forget Disney, give me your human reaction to seeing this video of a domestic violence incident that we'd heard about with Taylor Frankie Paul. Just give me your human reaction when you watched it.
00:01:09
Speaker 2: I felt disgusted. I actually felt physically ill. I felt nausea actually, and it was yes.
00:01:16
Speaker 3: The video, but for me.
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Speaker 2: It was almost more the audio because you can hear Taylor, Frankie Paul's five year old little girl at the time, crying in the background. You can hear her after she gets hit with a metal barstool that you see Taylor throwing, and you hear her ex pleading for her to stop.
00:01:40
Speaker 1: Okay, we need to And I think at this point Roaes everybody has followed this story. They know who she is. Frankie Taylor Paul, the firebrand, the lead, the star of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives on Hulu. It's in its fourth season now. ABC trying to revive the Bachelorette, plucked her, select did her, and we knew what they were trying to go after. She She's a firebrand. She's different from any bachelorette they ever had. Some thought it was a good decision, a good way to revive the brand. People will follow her. It's going to be crazy, that was the strategy. But Rodes they selected her knowing that she had pled guilty in a domestic violence incident.
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Speaker 2: So what's changed, exactly right, And let's back it up even before that, because when Hulu had her be a part of and of course Disney owns Hulu to be a part of the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. They knew that this whole show became what it was around a swinging, a soft swinging situation. So you've got, you know, folks who might not agree with that from a moral standpoint. Just how she came into fame on mom Talk, on TikTok. It was all blown up and she became a name because of a swinging scandal.
00:03:01
Speaker 1: We're talking about criminal activity now and violence and what didn't they shut down production for a while on Secret Lives of Mormon Wives because she was dealing with this domestic violence incident, correct twenty twenty three, right, correct?
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Speaker 2: So yes, so this all happened then while that was being filmed, and you are correct, Disney, Hulu, ABC. They all knew that she pleaded guilty to what we are seeing on this video. And look, we don't know for sure if they knew there was a video, but I'm guessing they did, and they were hoping or maybe they were reassured that whoever had ownership of this video, her ex is the one who shot it, or who at least recorded it.
00:03:43
Speaker 3: Maybe they felt reassured that this video would never see the light of day. How could they not have known about it?
00:03:51
Speaker 2: If this was a part of an investigation, clearly the police would have known about this way.
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Speaker 1: My argument is, what difference does it make you knew there was an incident in domestic violence, she played guilty, and you decided to go forward. What difference does the video make? Are you going to come back now and say, well, it was domestic violence, but we didn't think it was that bad? What can you say?
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Speaker 2: That?
00:04:10
Speaker 3: Is what they'll have to say, you knew this.
00:04:11
Speaker 1: The only option they have, is it not Robes, is to say she misrepresented what the incident was, and now that we've seen this, we can't move forward. They are either about to throw her under the biggest bus you can find, or they are going to have to quadruple down and move forward for the sake of ratings.
00:04:32
Speaker 2: They knew that she pleaded guilty to aggravated.
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Speaker 3: Assault with you yes, So it's.
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Speaker 2: Really hard for me and I'm thinking you as well, to believe that they didn't know the risk they were taking and they went ahead anyway and took it.
00:04:51
Speaker 1: So maybe that's it. They took the risk and they just lost. Because this show cannot air, We're going to let you hear this audio. And you might have seen the video already, but to your point, Robes, it's the audio that stings. It's so painful, it is so hurtful to hear. And is that moment? And we've heard about ropes describe the incident before we even saw the video. This incident's been talked about for years, what it looked like, how it went down, what was thrown, choke holes and Okay, we knew about all this, did we not?
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Speaker 2: Yes? And Babe, we sat down with Taylor on our podcast talking and she referred to this talking about this incident because she had to deal with it, she had to address it, and she apologized. She said she was drunk. She said she got sober after that night. And you can tell she's drunk.
00:05:39
Speaker 3: She is slurring her words.
00:05:41
Speaker 2: You can tell she is absolutely a neebreated and she has admitted that she was.
00:05:44
Speaker 3: In fact, that was in a way her defense.
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Speaker 2: I was wasted, I was so drunk, I was out of control.
00:05:50
Speaker 3: And that was the night I got sober. And I think everybody was rallying around her in that moment. She turned her life around. She wanted to do better. To be better.
00:06:00
Speaker 2: But now with this second investigation, there it is there. It is about another alleged domestic violence incident where Dakota, who is in this video and this audio you will hear him, claims that she was violent again towards him. She claims he was violent towards her. But you can even hear her in this video saying you did it, you did it. But what you see is her doing it, not him.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so we are going to go ahead and let you hear this. Now it goes a little and again we know this now or is coming out now because of TMZ TMZ and I think you read it as well, Rose, But it's a little unclear exactly how they got it.
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Speaker 3: They're not saying how they got it.
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Speaker 1: They were saying this was part of evidence in the case against her at the time, but they're not exactly saying how they got their hands on it. They were a little vague there, point being it's out there now.
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Speaker 3: It was leaked.
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Speaker 2: I guess that's the verb everyone is using, leaked video. Leaked old video. This is video of an incident we already knew about. But my god, it's one thing to hear about it hear it described, it's another thing to actually see it and listen for yourself as it happens.
00:07:10
Speaker 1: And if you have seen it already, it is still I would argue, Robes a little different when you're just hearing to the audio of it. So, folks, just gonna let you hear about fifty to fifty five seconds of it. It goes I think three minutes or so, but we will let you take a listen. Now again, this is the beginning of it. To set the scene, he is recording in a larger living room that goes into the kitchen area. There is a couch in the living room area where he is, and she is a little distance away at some points and starts throwing you'll hear them metal chairs, and then closer to the end you do hear the incident and Robes it was. It's tough. I think it was the third stool she had thrown.
00:07:51
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that multiple stools.
00:07:53
Speaker 1: That's the one where you hear him say your child's here, And as soon as the third one is thrown, you hear the child start crying immediately and you can't help but her so here it is now, folks, take a quick.
00:08:06
Speaker 3: Listen, Yeah, look at you.
00:08:08
Speaker 4: Look.
00:08:08
Speaker 3: Look, yeah, look, this is called physical abuse.
00:08:15
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, See Taylor, this is all you do.
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Speaker 4: It's the only thing you know how to do is hurt me.
00:08:27
Speaker 3: Huh.
00:08:27
Speaker 1: And you think this is okay.
00:08:29
Speaker 3: It's not okay. Let me go stop dude, leave me alone.
00:08:41
Speaker 4: Oh my god, your daughter is great here. Oh my gosh, oh my.
00:08:56
Speaker 3: You you.
00:09:00
Speaker 4: Stop stop freaming at it. Yeah, Taylor, you're done, Taylor, that is no, You're gone. Be un.
00:09:29
Speaker 1: Robes. Uh. Listening to it is almost worse than seeing it. It's heartbreaking to uh in a lot of way. And it's you hear that kid's cries and you can't help, but it that stings. That's difficult, that's brutal. We're all hearing this now and on Sunday. ABC is expecting us to watch a television and watch her hand out roses and smile and date and we're expected to root for her, which is possible, Robes, I guess, but it is very difficult. It's Thursday, baby, The show is in three days. Is there any way this show airs on Sunday?
00:10:11
Speaker 3: I don't know.
00:10:12
Speaker 2: As soon as I watched it, I thought not a chance. Look and as of this recording, ABC, Disney, Hulu. No one has officially said anything about this. And look, even with this second domestic violence allegation and investigation that is ongoing right now enough to put Mormon Wives taping filming on hold, we still saw Taylor Frankie Paul make the rounds the last two days. She did a live interview on Good Morning America, She spoke to People Magazine, she spoke to several of the other entertainment outlets. So just talking about how heavy it was, how hard it was, so they were still pushing through everything.
00:10:57
Speaker 1: As we are sitting here with you, folks, it just popped up on our screen that TMZ reporting that, yes, in fact, her season has been canceled. As we are sitting here, as we are talking, and now we're seeing notes from our people out in La or iHeart, folks, it's canceled. This is just happening, folks, in this moment. The video came out, Sweetheart, an hour ago.
00:11:20
Speaker 2: You cannot you can't and you hear it, you cannot unsee it.
00:11:24
Speaker 3: It involves a child.
00:11:26
Speaker 2: And yes, the only thing I thought, could they hold on to this notion that they knew about it already, and that She's changed her life. Maybe they could have had there not been a second investigation.
00:11:36
Speaker 3: If there was not, that was my question.
00:11:38
Speaker 2: If there had never been a second alleged incident, if there wasn't now another police investigation, could they have said she has changed her way, she has gone to therapy, she has redeemed herself. She you know, all throughout the second you can't say any of those things now with another police investigation alleging the exact same type of behavior.
00:12:01
Speaker 1: This is sad. This is so sad. And you know who I'm the first you know what I'm thinking about. Yeah, we think about the child, we think robes. I'm sad with Jesse Palmer. I'm sad for all the bookers who work forever to find these guys. I'm sad for all those people who work to make sure they did background checks on all these guys. I'm sad for all those people who put all this effort into making this show a hit and this has happened to them.
00:12:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, because all of those people had nothing to do with the decision.
00:12:33
Speaker 3: To choose Taylor Franky Paul as the bachelorette.
00:12:36
Speaker 2: All of that work and you know how much work forget even the money, but just how much of an investment of your time? And I do believe Jesse Palmer and the folks there at The Bachelorette believe in their show. Yes it's a reality show, Yes it's entertainment, but they have always been proud of the fact that they genuinely and legitimately were trying to help people find love, find lasting relationships, and yes, find a beautiful marriage.
00:13:04
Speaker 3: And this flew in the face of all of that.
00:13:06
Speaker 1: From the beginning that this was the one, This was the year right, this was supposed to be the comeback. They bet big, babe, they lost big. This is coming to us again. We have not TIMZ Celebrity News is just as trusted as anybody else out there. They've made their mistakes, but this is not some wild tabloid we're talking about here. TMZ reporting the headline the Bachelorette Taylor Frankie Paul season canceled. They have a statement in here robes from the Disney spokesperson that's sitting here, so they're saying they actually have talked to somebody from Disney and gave them a statement confirming that, in fact, this show will not go forward on Sunday Robes. This is not information we had when we hit record to record this podcast, but we thought there was no way, and sure enough, here it is.
00:13:52
Speaker 3: Yes, this is happening in real time.
00:13:54
Speaker 2: A Disney Entertainment spokesperson said, in light of the newly released video just surface today, we have made the decision to not move forward with the new season of The Bauch Threat at this time, and our focus is on supporting the family. This is worst case scenario and there is going to be a lot of finger pointing and fall out over this. This is a massive, massive development.
00:14:24
Speaker 1: Finger pointing. You know, there is man's robes. Where do you even start? Who chose her? Who missed this in the background, who didn't know the video was out there? How did the video get out? How did this other incident take place? How do we know it know about that? Who said we should put her on the red carpet at the oscars? Who said we should have her do the interview on Good Morning America and not ask her a serious question? Robes, over and over and over. This is what you talked about. She did that interview this morning. You said, guys, this is how you do it. You give her a tough question. You have a combative interview. She's been out there and she's addressing and taking it head on. So if something like this comes up, Robes, this was your argument, you can look better as a network, as a company by putting her on your network and holding our feet to the fire.
00:15:12
Speaker 3: Correct.
00:15:12
Speaker 2: She needed to explain this, And now that we see this video where she's talking about her pain and her hurt, it really, really, really is. I hate to use the word disgusting, but that is how it feels. It feels gross, it feels itchy, it feels manipulative. And you saw this roll out, this pr campaign, and then you see this video and again coupled with new allegations.
00:15:39
Speaker 3: Of the same type of behavior. How is that allowed? How is this ever?
00:15:45
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm looking. I'm going back through our our text messages, go to where is this? I said, Babe, it's bad. TMZ has somehow gotten the video of the twenty twenty three domestic Isolents video with Taylor Frankie. It's not quite ditty, but it's bad. They cannot stand by this girl. This is sad.
00:16:10
Speaker 2: Then I said, Oi, I had a feeling that was coming because we had heard there was already talk that there were videos, right, so you said, go to their website.
00:16:18
Speaker 3: It's at the top. Sucks.
00:16:20
Speaker 2: And then I wrote to you, no way Sunday can go on as planned. You wrote, it's really ugly.
00:16:27
Speaker 1: This is unsurvivable for AVC to put her on the air. I robes, this is a devastating story. It's devastating for that network. It's devastating for Disney, it's devastating for that show, The Bachelor Nation. It is devastating. I don't know what lessons we learn here, babe, but it was one of the early There are conversations I was wanting to have that I didn't understand, and that is why we consider domestic violence. Why this story wasn't serious enough, why it didn't feel like and even after watching the video, I stopped and thought, maybe some people will see this and go, well, she's just a little girl and tiny girl, and she got upset and throwing some things. No big deal. This isn't the same as a man putting his hands on a woman.
00:17:18
Speaker 2: When you see her like literally attempting to choke him, and you hear his voice struggling, when you see her hurling heavy metal objects at him, as hard as she can, screaming uncontrollably, you did this as she's doing it, and then Babe to see her response through her spokespeople after the video was released to me, that was it was even worse because there's zero acknowledgment of what we're all seeing.
00:17:50
Speaker 1: So the plan we had, folks for this episode was to actually let you know about the video, play the audio of the video, and let you know what all sides are saying. Right now. We do want to let you hear the statement from Taylor Frankie Paul's camp, but this was the statement they put out after the video, but before we heard about the cancelation. Stay here. We'll let you know about this and let you hear this. How'd you just describe rate? It was confusing, this tone deaf statement from her camp. Stay here continuing now here on Amy and TJ, The Bachelorette is canceled, according to TMZ, citing a statement they have now gotten from Disney spokesperson saying that the Taylor Frankie Paul season of Bachelorette season twenty two that was supposed to start on Sunday with Rose, when was she announced? How many months ago? Was it?
00:18:52
Speaker 3: Oh? I find some time ago. I believe in the summer. It was long time.
00:18:57
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, there has been a build up and a build up and a build up of folks in the you just heard it here. We are getting word as we were recording about this Robes we were talking earlier. When we started recording, we had only known that the video was out and that her camp put out a statement in response. Before we give any kind of interpretation or our feelings about it, just let the people hear.
00:19:21
Speaker 3: Oh.
00:19:22
Speaker 2: I got a lot of feelings about it. I did as soon as I heard it. But we'll let you all have your feelings and then we can discuss. This is what Taylor Frankie Paul spokes people said after the video was released. It's sad to see the latest installment of his never ending, desperate, attention seeking, destructive campaign to harm Taylor without any regard for the consequences for their child. Releasing an old video which conveniently omits context on their son's birthday is a reprehensible attempt to.
00:19:54
Speaker 3: Distract from his own behavior.
00:19:56
Speaker 2: Thankfully, the public has seen this act before and knows who he is is, and sadly many will recognize this pattern of manipulation, both in his actions on the show and from their own experiences.
00:20:09
Speaker 1: Go ahead, have your reaction first.
00:20:11
Speaker 2: Gas lighting one oh one. I know what I saw in that video. It doesn't require context. I don't care what the context is. It is never acceptable to choke someone, to throw heavy metal object at someone, and certainly to do any of that when your five year old child is right there. And then when the video shows you out of control, drunk and actually harming your child. The reaction, the statement should be, this is mortifying, this is horrific. I have done so much work to evolve from this person who I see in that video. I don't even recognize that person. I'm sober. You take accountability. All they did was say.
00:20:49
Speaker 3: Dakota is to.
00:20:49
Speaker 1: Blame what Okay, I didn't put it in as full of context as you just put it. There was no accountability in the station, deer roam. She's not responsible at all for any of that behavior, according to the statement. Now, Rose, we don't know who put this video out and we don't know why, But what difference for ABC should it make? You Remember the Ray Rice situation NFL running back. It was with Baltimore at the time, there was a horrific video of him hitting his fiance at the time. You remember, it's in the elevator and then he's dragged knocked her out and dragged her to Okay, you know what I'm talking. So the NFL had done the punishment to him behind the scenes and everything, he'd done his time, and then the video came out and they came back and tried to punish him more, and a court stepped in and said, nope, you knew about this. Nothing is changed. You just see video. You can't change it now, is there any way? There was a conversation about that, should we feel any differently about it just because we see it? If I hear domestic violence and a man versus takes on a woman with domestic violence, he is an instant monster. He is instantly, instantly a monster. Why is it? Then rogues, we've heard about this domestic violence. Okay, let's push forward, and now we see it and all of a sudden, okay, this is ugly.
00:22:21
Speaker 2: The truth is she's barely five feet tall and it's a he said, she said, kind of a thing. And yes, police wait and police did do the investigation. But you can maybe create some allowances in your mind or how bad was it really? Like how much did she actually overreact and did.
00:22:37
Speaker 3: She just throw one chair or three? What was her demeanor?
00:22:40
Speaker 2: Like?
00:22:40
Speaker 3: You just what when you see and hear this video?
00:22:43
Speaker 2: It is undeniable, It is unmistakable, and it's actually, for me one hundred times worse than I imagined it was.
00:22:50
Speaker 1: You know, that was a good phrase you use. You said allowances in your own mind, and we were willing to do that, and we have to admit that that is something we don't subconsciously do. But now, Robes, this is violent. This is not just ugly. This is not a scandal, This is not a tabloid headline. This is violence.
00:23:11
Speaker 2: I don't think she can go back to Mormon wives at all, period. And the women have come out on their different social media accounts saying they're the ones who asked for the pause, that they didn't want to film with her, that they were deeply concerned about the first incident, but now with the second one being investigated, they were like, we don't want to be a part of anything with her. So the idea of her actually ever coming back in any way seems slim to not at this point, And who knows what's going to happen with this other police investigation. There was taught that I think he got to a point this is what he claims that it's happened enough times. He started recording it because think about it. As a man, what's his defense.
00:23:52
Speaker 3: She's going to say you hit me first, or you hit me too, or whatever.
00:23:56
Speaker 2: So he started recording so he had a defense, so he could defend him.
00:24:02
Speaker 3: And he wasn't charged.
00:24:03
Speaker 1: She woh god, damn, oh my god. This is awful. This is just awful. What are we gonna take out of it? What are we gonna learn from it? I don't know what the conversation should be. She in this video, Robes looks troubled. She needs help, She needs help, and she said she has admitted that she got it. Okay, if she got it, should we will put that behind and say, okay, we're gonna support you. You can do that, Robes. It's just such a big ask when the type of show she's trying to do, she's not just trying to do a Mormon lives follow my Life. She is trying to.
00:24:42
Speaker 2: Say I'm datable, I'm a I'm marriage material. Take me home to your Mom, that's what that show is. It is it's it's not the right show.
00:24:54
Speaker 1: So let's go with the last couple of things to wrap up here, Robes, the guys, that's not fair to them. Those guys. We actually know people personally who have gone through the process of dealing with bachelor and bachelorette and going through the process of being selected, and it is you. They put you through the ringer. All these guys went through that ringer. They took time off from friends, family, work, to sacrifice to be here for something and Robes, some of them might have been looking for some clout, but there you have to think that there's some guys who were genuinely interested in Frankie Taylor, in her and wanting to find love.
00:25:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, we do have a friend who went through the process, got up towards the very end, and he would even tell us about how intrusive you go through like multiple interviews, they meet your friends in truth to your family, they actually find out who you are. What you could think about the liability you know on that show, you you're matchmaking, you're introducing people to each other. You have to make sure that people who you're introducing other people to are legit nonviolent, safe, you know, as best as you can. So with all of that said, it is a head scratcher that it got as far as it did, all for ratings, all for publicity, all for clicks, and this is what has happened, and it's just sad all around.
00:26:19
Speaker 1: The defense of Disney. This is gonna sound crazy, But if you were okay with them putting her on knowing about this incident, then why shouldn't you still be support above them after the incident. We knew about it. Now it's just we see it and like, ooh, now it's too much for us. No, you knew your bachelorette had a domestic violence guilty plea on her record, and we were okay with it.
00:26:45
Speaker 2: Then I think people were hoping that it wasn't as bad as maybe it seemed or as they heard.
00:26:50
Speaker 3: When you see that, when you hear it, there is no gray area.
00:26:55
Speaker 2: Well, so then what happens next now ropes, Well, I think, like I said, I think there's gonna be a lot of finger pointing. There's gonna be a lot of cya going on, and it's gonna be interesting to find out if anyone who was involved in that show and making the decision, knew about the video, saw the video, and if TMZ could get the video, then I'm gonna go ahead and tide Disney should have been able to get that bit.
00:27:19
Speaker 1: Uh. I don't know. TMZ has its ways. I don't know, but if we knew about it, I could have described as incident to any Disney official that asked. I said, yeah, so what she did was she put them in chokehold. And the record says that she threw these metal barstools and her child got hit by one. That's what the video, any video would show. They knew that, and they knew about it, and they said, you know what.
00:27:45
Speaker 3: That's cool, Let's make her America sweetheart.
00:27:47
Speaker 2: Shit.
00:27:49
Speaker 1: The only thing Roles that can save them possibly is to throw her again under the biggest greyhound they can find and say she lie to us and misrepresented what that incident was and we would have never gone through with this had we known about that, that it was that bad, but she assured us that it wasn't. What other option do they have than to throw her under a bus.
00:28:18
Speaker 3: I don't know, but I don't think that's gonna work.
00:28:21
Speaker 1: Really, You come on, who gets more heat Disney or her.
00:28:27
Speaker 3: I think Disney ultimately is going to need the heat for this.
00:28:30
Speaker 1: You think the audience is going to support her, her fans, her tailor army or whatever. You think they'll just.
00:28:35
Speaker 2: No, She's obviously going to be completely destroyed by this, But I think Disney is going to take a huge hit for this. Really, people question their choice from the beginning. It was controversial from the very beginning, and now it ends like this worst case scenario controversial.
00:28:55
Speaker 1: It looked fine to me on Sunday when I watched the Oscars. She was the big star there as far as talent for ABC reporting from the red carpet. What are you talking about?
00:29:07
Speaker 3: It was controversial in many many circles that they picture.
00:29:10
Speaker 1: I know what you all believe. I know what you're saying. But we had gotten to a point where it seemed to be celebrated. Even thought it was a good move, it was emotional.
00:29:18
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, Oh this.
00:29:20
Speaker 1: Is awful, folks, to tell you. I mean people, redemption can happen.
00:29:26
Speaker 3: Babe, I mean people can I believe that.
00:29:28
Speaker 1: Awful, awful decision. Look, there are people out there who've had DUIs and they had manslaughter charges. There people who served time for killing folks. There are people who have done all kinds of horrific things, and Babe, you can turn your life around.
00:29:41
Speaker 2: Agreed that that can happen, But you probably shouldn't go on a dating show where you're lauded as an American sweetheart, someone to bring home to Mama, when you have been or at least you've pleaded guilty to domestic violence charge and are now in the middle of another domestic violence investigation, criminal investigation with that same ex boyfriend who you had zero issue telling the world you slept with the night before you went on to go start filming The Bachelor. That just shows you how seriously she was actually taking this as an opportunity to find love. That to me is almost spitting in the face of the show.
00:30:27
Speaker 1: I guess and us who actually look at Tristan and Ryan and turn that show on, so we are Tristan and Ryan are why I still give the show any ounce of legitimacy. I was like, oh, wow, this can work, it can and it has. We've known hell Rachel Lindsay got married, she ended up getting divorced. These are friends of ours. Matt James had a long relationship ends up not being together.
00:30:51
Speaker 2: But it was a legitimate relationship where they were thinking about marriage.
00:30:55
Speaker 1: Absolutely, we've been a part, We've seen it work. This says to us to the audience that it's something else. Now it's a spectacle, a spectacle, and this is what this was. Folks. We appreciate you listening. We just wanted to hop on. This wasn't the episode we expected now and quite frankly, this ropes. This is the first time the news has broken while we are in the middle of red.
00:31:18
Speaker 3: This is a first and takes us back. Yeah right, it was almost like breaking news takes us back.
00:31:24
Speaker 1: Well, folks, we appreciate you. Anything else hopped out on this one. I do want to ropes. We mentioned did you see this up on yours as well? TMZ. Also this note here that they're saying Dakota has actually filed for some kind of restraining order and wants sole custody of their child. Here it is ropes.
00:31:41
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness.
00:31:42
Speaker 1: So this is getting messier and messier and messier.
00:31:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is just the beginning. Unfortunately, this is what tends to happen. And yes, now Dakota, it appears, is looking for soul custody and after that video.
00:31:55
Speaker 3: He probably has a pretty decent case.
00:31:58
Speaker 1: So our look, our thanks on our credit right now to TMZ that has gotten hands on the video and has pushed this story forward. Is the last thing to you? Babe? Was this important? Did we need to see this video before the show?
00:32:15
Speaker 2: Now?
00:32:15
Speaker 1: If it would have come out in the middle of the show, that would have been horrible. But did we need to see this? Did we need did this video need to come out? If this would have just gone away, was buried and never existed with things have just gone on as planned?
00:32:30
Speaker 2: Probably And I was thinking about this moment when Harvey Levin knew he had this video, he had to.
00:32:37
Speaker 3: Know when he put it up.
00:32:39
Speaker 2: He had to know that he was changing a lot of lives and that this show was almost certainly going to get canceled. He knows this business. He knew what he was going to happen when he made this public.
00:32:51
Speaker 1: He probably called Disney before he posted and say, hey, heads up up, I got this. Do you have a coming yet? Folks? T J. Holmes here on behalf of my dear Amy Robach. We will be talking to you soon. Anything hops out on this story, we certainly will will update you but we appreciate you as always so spending some time here with us
Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Thursday, March nineteenth. They have to cancel Taylor Frankie Paul's season of the Bachelorette because now there is video, and with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ Robes. Everybody's been talking about this. We knew there was a chance, but now there is a leaked video that is out there Robes of a domestic violence incident that we knew about from twenty twenty three, in which he pled guilty. I will start with this with you, babe, Bachelorette disposed. This new season supposed to start on Sunday. We weren't together when this video came out just a little while ago. You happened to be out in an appointment, so we didn't watch it together. Let me ask you, aside from Bachelorette, forget show, forget entertainment, forget Disney, give me your human reaction to seeing this video of a domestic violence incident that we'd heard about with Taylor Frankie Paul. Just give me your human reaction when you watched it.
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Speaker 2: I felt disgusted. I actually felt physically ill. I felt nausea actually, and it was yes.
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Speaker 3: The video, but for me.
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Speaker 2: It was almost more the audio because you can hear Taylor, Frankie Paul's five year old little girl at the time, crying in the background. You can hear her after she gets hit with a metal barstool that you see Taylor throwing, and you hear her ex pleading for her to stop.
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Speaker 1: Okay, we need to And I think at this point Roaes everybody has followed this story. They know who she is. Frankie Taylor Paul, the firebrand, the lead, the star of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives on Hulu. It's in its fourth season now. ABC trying to revive the Bachelorette, plucked her, select did her, and we knew what they were trying to go after. She She's a firebrand. She's different from any bachelorette they ever had. Some thought it was a good decision, a good way to revive the brand. People will follow her. It's going to be crazy, that was the strategy. But Rodes they selected her knowing that she had pled guilty in a domestic violence incident.
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Speaker 2: So what's changed, exactly right, And let's back it up even before that, because when Hulu had her be a part of and of course Disney owns Hulu to be a part of the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. They knew that this whole show became what it was around a swinging, a soft swinging situation. So you've got, you know, folks who might not agree with that from a moral standpoint. Just how she came into fame on mom Talk, on TikTok. It was all blown up and she became a name because of a swinging scandal.
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Speaker 1: We're talking about criminal activity now and violence and what didn't they shut down production for a while on Secret Lives of Mormon Wives because she was dealing with this domestic violence incident, correct twenty twenty three, right, correct?
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Speaker 2: So yes, so this all happened then while that was being filmed, and you are correct, Disney, Hulu, ABC. They all knew that she pleaded guilty to what we are seeing on this video. And look, we don't know for sure if they knew there was a video, but I'm guessing they did, and they were hoping or maybe they were reassured that whoever had ownership of this video, her ex is the one who shot it, or who at least recorded it.
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Speaker 3: Maybe they felt reassured that this video would never see the light of day. How could they not have known about it?
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Speaker 2: If this was a part of an investigation, clearly the police would have known about this way.
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Speaker 1: My argument is, what difference does it make you knew there was an incident in domestic violence, she played guilty, and you decided to go forward. What difference does the video make? Are you going to come back now and say, well, it was domestic violence, but we didn't think it was that bad? What can you say?
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Speaker 2: That?
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Speaker 3: Is what they'll have to say, you knew this.
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Speaker 1: The only option they have, is it not Robes, is to say she misrepresented what the incident was, and now that we've seen this, we can't move forward. They are either about to throw her under the biggest bus you can find, or they are going to have to quadruple down and move forward for the sake of ratings.
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Speaker 2: They knew that she pleaded guilty to aggravated.
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Speaker 3: Assault with you yes, So it's.
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Speaker 2: Really hard for me and I'm thinking you as well, to believe that they didn't know the risk they were taking and they went ahead anyway and took it.
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Speaker 1: So maybe that's it. They took the risk and they just lost. Because this show cannot air, We're going to let you hear this audio. And you might have seen the video already, but to your point, Robes, it's the audio that stings. It's so painful, it is so hurtful to hear. And is that moment? And we've heard about ropes describe the incident before we even saw the video. This incident's been talked about for years, what it looked like, how it went down, what was thrown, choke holes and Okay, we knew about all this, did we not?
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Speaker 2: Yes? And Babe, we sat down with Taylor on our podcast talking and she referred to this talking about this incident because she had to deal with it, she had to address it, and she apologized. She said she was drunk. She said she got sober after that night. And you can tell she's drunk.
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Speaker 3: She is slurring her words.
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Speaker 2: You can tell she is absolutely a neebreated and she has admitted that she was.
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Speaker 3: In fact, that was in a way her defense.
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Speaker 2: I was wasted, I was so drunk, I was out of control.
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Speaker 3: And that was the night I got sober. And I think everybody was rallying around her in that moment. She turned her life around. She wanted to do better. To be better.
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Speaker 2: But now with this second investigation, there it is there. It is about another alleged domestic violence incident where Dakota, who is in this video and this audio you will hear him, claims that she was violent again towards him. She claims he was violent towards her. But you can even hear her in this video saying you did it, you did it. But what you see is her doing it, not him.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so we are going to go ahead and let you hear this. Now it goes a little and again we know this now or is coming out now because of TMZ TMZ and I think you read it as well, Rose, But it's a little unclear exactly how they got it.
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Speaker 3: They're not saying how they got it.
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Speaker 1: They were saying this was part of evidence in the case against her at the time, but they're not exactly saying how they got their hands on it. They were a little vague there, point being it's out there now.
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Speaker 3: It was leaked.
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Speaker 2: I guess that's the verb everyone is using, leaked video. Leaked old video. This is video of an incident we already knew about. But my god, it's one thing to hear about it hear it described, it's another thing to actually see it and listen for yourself as it happens.
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Speaker 1: And if you have seen it already, it is still I would argue, Robes a little different when you're just hearing to the audio of it. So, folks, just gonna let you hear about fifty to fifty five seconds of it. It goes I think three minutes or so, but we will let you take a listen. Now again, this is the beginning of it. To set the scene, he is recording in a larger living room that goes into the kitchen area. There is a couch in the living room area where he is, and she is a little distance away at some points and starts throwing you'll hear them metal chairs, and then closer to the end you do hear the incident and Robes it was. It's tough. I think it was the third stool she had thrown.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that multiple stools.
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Speaker 1: That's the one where you hear him say your child's here, And as soon as the third one is thrown, you hear the child start crying immediately and you can't help but her so here it is now, folks, take a quick.
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Speaker 3: Listen, Yeah, look at you.
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Speaker 4: Look.
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Speaker 3: Look, yeah, look, this is called physical abuse.
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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, See Taylor, this is all you do.
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Speaker 4: It's the only thing you know how to do is hurt me.
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Speaker 3: Huh.
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Speaker 1: And you think this is okay.
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Speaker 3: It's not okay. Let me go stop dude, leave me alone.
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Speaker 4: Oh my god, your daughter is great here. Oh my gosh, oh my.
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Speaker 3: You you.
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Speaker 4: Stop stop freaming at it. Yeah, Taylor, you're done, Taylor, that is no, You're gone. Be un.
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Speaker 1: Robes. Uh. Listening to it is almost worse than seeing it. It's heartbreaking to uh in a lot of way. And it's you hear that kid's cries and you can't help, but it that stings. That's difficult, that's brutal. We're all hearing this now and on Sunday. ABC is expecting us to watch a television and watch her hand out roses and smile and date and we're expected to root for her, which is possible, Robes, I guess, but it is very difficult. It's Thursday, baby, The show is in three days. Is there any way this show airs on Sunday?
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Speaker 3: I don't know.
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Speaker 2: As soon as I watched it, I thought not a chance. Look and as of this recording, ABC, Disney, Hulu. No one has officially said anything about this. And look, even with this second domestic violence allegation and investigation that is ongoing right now enough to put Mormon Wives taping filming on hold, we still saw Taylor Frankie Paul make the rounds the last two days. She did a live interview on Good Morning America, She spoke to People Magazine, she spoke to several of the other entertainment outlets. So just talking about how heavy it was, how hard it was, so they were still pushing through everything.
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Speaker 1: As we are sitting here with you, folks, it just popped up on our screen that TMZ reporting that, yes, in fact, her season has been canceled. As we are sitting here, as we are talking, and now we're seeing notes from our people out in La or iHeart, folks, it's canceled. This is just happening, folks, in this moment. The video came out, Sweetheart, an hour ago.
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Speaker 2: You cannot you can't and you hear it, you cannot unsee it.
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Speaker 3: It involves a child.
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Speaker 2: And yes, the only thing I thought, could they hold on to this notion that they knew about it already, and that She's changed her life. Maybe they could have had there not been a second investigation.
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Speaker 3: If there was not, that was my question.
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Speaker 2: If there had never been a second alleged incident, if there wasn't now another police investigation, could they have said she has changed her way, she has gone to therapy, she has redeemed herself. She you know, all throughout the second you can't say any of those things now with another police investigation alleging the exact same type of behavior.
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Speaker 1: This is sad. This is so sad. And you know who I'm the first you know what I'm thinking about. Yeah, we think about the child, we think robes. I'm sad with Jesse Palmer. I'm sad for all the bookers who work forever to find these guys. I'm sad for all those people who work to make sure they did background checks on all these guys. I'm sad for all those people who put all this effort into making this show a hit and this has happened to them.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, because all of those people had nothing to do with the decision.
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Speaker 3: To choose Taylor Franky Paul as the bachelorette.
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Speaker 2: All of that work and you know how much work forget even the money, but just how much of an investment of your time? And I do believe Jesse Palmer and the folks there at The Bachelorette believe in their show. Yes it's a reality show, Yes it's entertainment, but they have always been proud of the fact that they genuinely and legitimately were trying to help people find love, find lasting relationships, and yes, find a beautiful marriage.
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Speaker 3: And this flew in the face of all of that.
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Speaker 1: From the beginning that this was the one, This was the year right, this was supposed to be the comeback. They bet big, babe, they lost big. This is coming to us again. We have not TIMZ Celebrity News is just as trusted as anybody else out there. They've made their mistakes, but this is not some wild tabloid we're talking about here. TMZ reporting the headline the Bachelorette Taylor Frankie Paul season canceled. They have a statement in here robes from the Disney spokesperson that's sitting here, so they're saying they actually have talked to somebody from Disney and gave them a statement confirming that, in fact, this show will not go forward on Sunday Robes. This is not information we had when we hit record to record this podcast, but we thought there was no way, and sure enough, here it is.
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Speaker 3: Yes, this is happening in real time.
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Speaker 2: A Disney Entertainment spokesperson said, in light of the newly released video just surface today, we have made the decision to not move forward with the new season of The Bauch Threat at this time, and our focus is on supporting the family. This is worst case scenario and there is going to be a lot of finger pointing and fall out over this. This is a massive, massive development.
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Speaker 1: Finger pointing. You know, there is man's robes. Where do you even start? Who chose her? Who missed this in the background, who didn't know the video was out there? How did the video get out? How did this other incident take place? How do we know it know about that? Who said we should put her on the red carpet at the oscars? Who said we should have her do the interview on Good Morning America and not ask her a serious question? Robes, over and over and over. This is what you talked about. She did that interview this morning. You said, guys, this is how you do it. You give her a tough question. You have a combative interview. She's been out there and she's addressing and taking it head on. So if something like this comes up, Robes, this was your argument, you can look better as a network, as a company by putting her on your network and holding our feet to the fire.
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Speaker 3: Correct.
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Speaker 2: She needed to explain this, And now that we see this video where she's talking about her pain and her hurt, it really, really, really is. I hate to use the word disgusting, but that is how it feels. It feels gross, it feels itchy, it feels manipulative. And you saw this roll out, this pr campaign, and then you see this video and again coupled with new allegations.
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Speaker 3: Of the same type of behavior. How is that allowed? How is this ever?
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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm looking. I'm going back through our our text messages, go to where is this? I said, Babe, it's bad. TMZ has somehow gotten the video of the twenty twenty three domestic Isolents video with Taylor Frankie. It's not quite ditty, but it's bad. They cannot stand by this girl. This is sad.
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Speaker 2: Then I said, Oi, I had a feeling that was coming because we had heard there was already talk that there were videos, right, so you said, go to their website.
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Speaker 3: It's at the top. Sucks.
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Speaker 2: And then I wrote to you, no way Sunday can go on as planned. You wrote, it's really ugly.
00:16:27
Speaker 1: This is unsurvivable for AVC to put her on the air. I robes, this is a devastating story. It's devastating for that network. It's devastating for Disney, it's devastating for that show, The Bachelor Nation. It is devastating. I don't know what lessons we learn here, babe, but it was one of the early There are conversations I was wanting to have that I didn't understand, and that is why we consider domestic violence. Why this story wasn't serious enough, why it didn't feel like and even after watching the video, I stopped and thought, maybe some people will see this and go, well, she's just a little girl and tiny girl, and she got upset and throwing some things. No big deal. This isn't the same as a man putting his hands on a woman.
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Speaker 2: When you see her like literally attempting to choke him, and you hear his voice struggling, when you see her hurling heavy metal objects at him, as hard as she can, screaming uncontrollably, you did this as she's doing it, and then Babe to see her response through her spokespeople after the video was released to me, that was it was even worse because there's zero acknowledgment of what we're all seeing.
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Speaker 1: So the plan we had, folks for this episode was to actually let you know about the video, play the audio of the video, and let you know what all sides are saying. Right now. We do want to let you hear the statement from Taylor Frankie Paul's camp, but this was the statement they put out after the video, but before we heard about the cancelation. Stay here. We'll let you know about this and let you hear this. How'd you just describe rate? It was confusing, this tone deaf statement from her camp. Stay here continuing now here on Amy and TJ, The Bachelorette is canceled, according to TMZ, citing a statement they have now gotten from Disney spokesperson saying that the Taylor Frankie Paul season of Bachelorette season twenty two that was supposed to start on Sunday with Rose, when was she announced? How many months ago? Was it?
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Speaker 3: Oh? I find some time ago. I believe in the summer. It was long time.
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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, there has been a build up and a build up and a build up of folks in the you just heard it here. We are getting word as we were recording about this Robes we were talking earlier. When we started recording, we had only known that the video was out and that her camp put out a statement in response. Before we give any kind of interpretation or our feelings about it, just let the people hear.
00:19:21
Speaker 3: Oh.
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Speaker 2: I got a lot of feelings about it. I did as soon as I heard it. But we'll let you all have your feelings and then we can discuss. This is what Taylor Frankie Paul spokes people said after the video was released. It's sad to see the latest installment of his never ending, desperate, attention seeking, destructive campaign to harm Taylor without any regard for the consequences for their child. Releasing an old video which conveniently omits context on their son's birthday is a reprehensible attempt to.
00:19:54
Speaker 3: Distract from his own behavior.
00:19:56
Speaker 2: Thankfully, the public has seen this act before and knows who he is is, and sadly many will recognize this pattern of manipulation, both in his actions on the show and from their own experiences.
00:20:09
Speaker 1: Go ahead, have your reaction first.
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Speaker 2: Gas lighting one oh one. I know what I saw in that video. It doesn't require context. I don't care what the context is. It is never acceptable to choke someone, to throw heavy metal object at someone, and certainly to do any of that when your five year old child is right there. And then when the video shows you out of control, drunk and actually harming your child. The reaction, the statement should be, this is mortifying, this is horrific. I have done so much work to evolve from this person who I see in that video. I don't even recognize that person. I'm sober. You take accountability. All they did was say.
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Speaker 3: Dakota is to.
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Speaker 1: Blame what Okay, I didn't put it in as full of context as you just put it. There was no accountability in the station, deer roam. She's not responsible at all for any of that behavior, according to the statement. Now, Rose, we don't know who put this video out and we don't know why, But what difference for ABC should it make? You Remember the Ray Rice situation NFL running back. It was with Baltimore at the time, there was a horrific video of him hitting his fiance at the time. You remember, it's in the elevator and then he's dragged knocked her out and dragged her to Okay, you know what I'm talking. So the NFL had done the punishment to him behind the scenes and everything, he'd done his time, and then the video came out and they came back and tried to punish him more, and a court stepped in and said, nope, you knew about this. Nothing is changed. You just see video. You can't change it now, is there any way? There was a conversation about that, should we feel any differently about it just because we see it? If I hear domestic violence and a man versus takes on a woman with domestic violence, he is an instant monster. He is instantly, instantly a monster. Why is it? Then rogues, we've heard about this domestic violence. Okay, let's push forward, and now we see it and all of a sudden, okay, this is ugly.
00:22:21
Speaker 2: The truth is she's barely five feet tall and it's a he said, she said, kind of a thing. And yes, police wait and police did do the investigation. But you can maybe create some allowances in your mind or how bad was it really? Like how much did she actually overreact and did.
00:22:37
Speaker 3: She just throw one chair or three? What was her demeanor?
00:22:40
Speaker 2: Like?
00:22:40
Speaker 3: You just what when you see and hear this video?
00:22:43
Speaker 2: It is undeniable, It is unmistakable, and it's actually, for me one hundred times worse than I imagined it was.
00:22:50
Speaker 1: You know, that was a good phrase you use. You said allowances in your own mind, and we were willing to do that, and we have to admit that that is something we don't subconsciously do. But now, Robes, this is violent. This is not just ugly. This is not a scandal, This is not a tabloid headline. This is violence.
00:23:11
Speaker 2: I don't think she can go back to Mormon wives at all, period. And the women have come out on their different social media accounts saying they're the ones who asked for the pause, that they didn't want to film with her, that they were deeply concerned about the first incident, but now with the second one being investigated, they were like, we don't want to be a part of anything with her. So the idea of her actually ever coming back in any way seems slim to not at this point, And who knows what's going to happen with this other police investigation. There was taught that I think he got to a point this is what he claims that it's happened enough times. He started recording it because think about it. As a man, what's his defense.
00:23:52
Speaker 3: She's going to say you hit me first, or you hit me too, or whatever.
00:23:56
Speaker 2: So he started recording so he had a defense, so he could defend him.
00:24:02
Speaker 3: And he wasn't charged.
00:24:03
Speaker 1: She woh god, damn, oh my god. This is awful. This is just awful. What are we gonna take out of it? What are we gonna learn from it? I don't know what the conversation should be. She in this video, Robes looks troubled. She needs help, She needs help, and she said she has admitted that she got it. Okay, if she got it, should we will put that behind and say, okay, we're gonna support you. You can do that, Robes. It's just such a big ask when the type of show she's trying to do, she's not just trying to do a Mormon lives follow my Life. She is trying to.
00:24:42
Speaker 2: Say I'm datable, I'm a I'm marriage material. Take me home to your Mom, that's what that show is. It is it's it's not the right show.
00:24:54
Speaker 1: So let's go with the last couple of things to wrap up here, Robes, the guys, that's not fair to them. Those guys. We actually know people personally who have gone through the process of dealing with bachelor and bachelorette and going through the process of being selected, and it is you. They put you through the ringer. All these guys went through that ringer. They took time off from friends, family, work, to sacrifice to be here for something and Robes, some of them might have been looking for some clout, but there you have to think that there's some guys who were genuinely interested in Frankie Taylor, in her and wanting to find love.
00:25:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, we do have a friend who went through the process, got up towards the very end, and he would even tell us about how intrusive you go through like multiple interviews, they meet your friends in truth to your family, they actually find out who you are. What you could think about the liability you know on that show, you you're matchmaking, you're introducing people to each other. You have to make sure that people who you're introducing other people to are legit nonviolent, safe, you know, as best as you can. So with all of that said, it is a head scratcher that it got as far as it did, all for ratings, all for publicity, all for clicks, and this is what has happened, and it's just sad all around.
00:26:19
Speaker 1: The defense of Disney. This is gonna sound crazy, But if you were okay with them putting her on knowing about this incident, then why shouldn't you still be support above them after the incident. We knew about it. Now it's just we see it and like, ooh, now it's too much for us. No, you knew your bachelorette had a domestic violence guilty plea on her record, and we were okay with it.
00:26:45
Speaker 2: Then I think people were hoping that it wasn't as bad as maybe it seemed or as they heard.
00:26:50
Speaker 3: When you see that, when you hear it, there is no gray area.
00:26:55
Speaker 2: Well, so then what happens next now ropes, Well, I think, like I said, I think there's gonna be a lot of finger pointing. There's gonna be a lot of cya going on, and it's gonna be interesting to find out if anyone who was involved in that show and making the decision, knew about the video, saw the video, and if TMZ could get the video, then I'm gonna go ahead and tide Disney should have been able to get that bit.
00:27:19
Speaker 1: Uh. I don't know. TMZ has its ways. I don't know, but if we knew about it, I could have described as incident to any Disney official that asked. I said, yeah, so what she did was she put them in chokehold. And the record says that she threw these metal barstools and her child got hit by one. That's what the video, any video would show. They knew that, and they knew about it, and they said, you know what.
00:27:45
Speaker 3: That's cool, Let's make her America sweetheart.
00:27:47
Speaker 2: Shit.
00:27:49
Speaker 1: The only thing Roles that can save them possibly is to throw her again under the biggest greyhound they can find and say she lie to us and misrepresented what that incident was and we would have never gone through with this had we known about that, that it was that bad, but she assured us that it wasn't. What other option do they have than to throw her under a bus.
00:28:18
Speaker 3: I don't know, but I don't think that's gonna work.
00:28:21
Speaker 1: Really, You come on, who gets more heat Disney or her.
00:28:27
Speaker 3: I think Disney ultimately is going to need the heat for this.
00:28:30
Speaker 1: You think the audience is going to support her, her fans, her tailor army or whatever. You think they'll just.
00:28:35
Speaker 2: No, She's obviously going to be completely destroyed by this, But I think Disney is going to take a huge hit for this. Really, people question their choice from the beginning. It was controversial from the very beginning, and now it ends like this worst case scenario controversial.
00:28:55
Speaker 1: It looked fine to me on Sunday when I watched the Oscars. She was the big star there as far as talent for ABC reporting from the red carpet. What are you talking about?
00:29:07
Speaker 3: It was controversial in many many circles that they picture.
00:29:10
Speaker 1: I know what you all believe. I know what you're saying. But we had gotten to a point where it seemed to be celebrated. Even thought it was a good move, it was emotional.
00:29:18
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, Oh this.
00:29:20
Speaker 1: Is awful, folks, to tell you. I mean people, redemption can happen.
00:29:26
Speaker 3: Babe, I mean people can I believe that.
00:29:28
Speaker 1: Awful, awful decision. Look, there are people out there who've had DUIs and they had manslaughter charges. There people who served time for killing folks. There are people who have done all kinds of horrific things, and Babe, you can turn your life around.
00:29:41
Speaker 2: Agreed that that can happen, But you probably shouldn't go on a dating show where you're lauded as an American sweetheart, someone to bring home to Mama, when you have been or at least you've pleaded guilty to domestic violence charge and are now in the middle of another domestic violence investigation, criminal investigation with that same ex boyfriend who you had zero issue telling the world you slept with the night before you went on to go start filming The Bachelor. That just shows you how seriously she was actually taking this as an opportunity to find love. That to me is almost spitting in the face of the show.
00:30:27
Speaker 1: I guess and us who actually look at Tristan and Ryan and turn that show on, so we are Tristan and Ryan are why I still give the show any ounce of legitimacy. I was like, oh, wow, this can work, it can and it has. We've known hell Rachel Lindsay got married, she ended up getting divorced. These are friends of ours. Matt James had a long relationship ends up not being together.
00:30:51
Speaker 2: But it was a legitimate relationship where they were thinking about marriage.
00:30:55
Speaker 1: Absolutely, we've been a part, We've seen it work. This says to us to the audience that it's something else. Now it's a spectacle, a spectacle, and this is what this was. Folks. We appreciate you listening. We just wanted to hop on. This wasn't the episode we expected now and quite frankly, this ropes. This is the first time the news has broken while we are in the middle of red.
00:31:18
Speaker 3: This is a first and takes us back. Yeah right, it was almost like breaking news takes us back.
00:31:24
Speaker 1: Well, folks, we appreciate you. Anything else hopped out on this one. I do want to ropes. We mentioned did you see this up on yours as well? TMZ. Also this note here that they're saying Dakota has actually filed for some kind of restraining order and wants sole custody of their child. Here it is ropes.
00:31:41
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness.
00:31:42
Speaker 1: So this is getting messier and messier and messier.
00:31:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is just the beginning. Unfortunately, this is what tends to happen. And yes, now Dakota, it appears, is looking for soul custody and after that video.
00:31:55
Speaker 3: He probably has a pretty decent case.
00:31:58
Speaker 1: So our look, our thanks on our credit right now to TMZ that has gotten hands on the video and has pushed this story forward. Is the last thing to you? Babe? Was this important? Did we need to see this video before the show?
00:32:15
Speaker 2: Now?
00:32:15
Speaker 1: If it would have come out in the middle of the show, that would have been horrible. But did we need to see this? Did we need did this video need to come out? If this would have just gone away, was buried and never existed with things have just gone on as planned?
00:32:30
Speaker 2: Probably And I was thinking about this moment when Harvey Levin knew he had this video, he had to.
00:32:37
Speaker 3: Know when he put it up.
00:32:39
Speaker 2: He had to know that he was changing a lot of lives and that this show was almost certainly going to get canceled. He knows this business. He knew what he was going to happen when he made this public.
00:32:51
Speaker 1: He probably called Disney before he posted and say, hey, heads up up, I got this. Do you have a coming yet? Folks? T J. Holmes here on behalf of my dear Amy Robach. We will be talking to you soon. Anything hops out on this story, we certainly will will update you but we appreciate you as always so spending some time here with us