Aug. 4, 2026
“Bra Doping” Allegations at Tour de France; Organizers Inspecting Athletes For Padded Sports Bras
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RSS Feed Never saw this story coming, but there are additional “clothing checks” happening at the Women’s Tour de France this week. After complaints that some women may be using extra padding in their sports bras for an aerodynamic advantage, race organizers confirmed the new inspections. Who knew, but using padded bras, aka “chest fairing," aka “bra doping," can give riders a few seconds of advantage and is prohibited by the International Cycling Union.
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00:00:02
Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. Turns out it is an advantage in life to have bigger breasts. And with that, welcome to the episode. TJ. This is robes over here, and let me immediately get on record that is not a statement of my opinion. I'm getting this robes from women themselves.
00:00:26
Speaker 2: Well from the International Cycling Union. Actually, who knew? I learned something significant today that apparently, yes, you said bigger boobs, but even padded bras apparently have more advantages than we realize. They don't just make you look better or sexier. No, they make you faster. They give you an aerodynamic edge or advantage when you have a padded bra or bigger boobs. Say what I would have thought that would have been a disadvantage.
00:00:58
Speaker 1: You got to help me here, babe, or for the rest of this episode. What's the right language to use? Is it okay to say the word boobs?
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Speaker 2: Yes?
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Speaker 1: Is it?
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Speaker 2: I think so?
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Speaker 1: Okay? I just want to make sure that's coming out of my mouth, say a little more crass t word, of course not not. Since elementary school, we should get rid of.
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Speaker 2: That word boobs, breasts.
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Speaker 1: I think it's all fine, okay, just checking, just making sure from some of our old network days.
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Speaker 2: I can never say boobs, no one, right, but you could say bitch. How about that? That was my favorite part of the FCC. You could say you couldn't say certain things that are equivalent to men, but you can say slut. You can say bitch, but you couldn't say boobs. And I couldn't say a pregnant woman either. I had to say pregnant. People.
00:01:44
Speaker 1: Also couldn't say shit's creak on. You couldn't say the name of this You couldn't.
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Speaker 2: Say the name of a television show that I love, wed just say you know the show that has a curse word in it. So anyway, yes, boobs, Okay for the rest of the episode.
00:01:57
Speaker 1: Okay, So yes, what we are talking about here, and this is interesting that the Tour de France going on. They do the men's and the women's but a big controversy has Now we're being a little light here, ro this is a pretty significant story that goes in line with some stuff we see in the Olympics sometimes with these controversies about cheating, and this one has to do with women's breasts.
00:02:18
Speaker 2: Yes, so this is the week that the women's Tour de France they're in the middle of the Tour de France basically, and there are allegations, there are some complaints out there that some women may have been using extra padding in their bras or that aforementioned aerodynamic advantage, and so there are now officially underway additional clothing checks. They're going to be taking place at the women's Tour de France because the use of padded bras, this is what I didn't know, is prohibited in the Tour de France and other cycling events. This is by the ICU, the International Cycling Union. This is under the regulars because yes, it has been scientifically proven that having a rounder trust we can get into it creates an advanced aerodynamic situation for said writers. So now race organization organizers are actually creating inspection tents for women, and they're ordering that women get to their starting lines ten minutes ahead of time so they can do these additional inspections looking for padding in sports.
00:03:31
Speaker 1: Okay, when you hear this first of all, I think about it as a rules or rules and every millisecond counts. We know this is international competition. But robes hearing this first as a woman, like, what do you suppose to do. They're literally going to come around and somebody's going to touch or check the insight where they check it before you get dressed. They have to watch you get dressed. How does this go now? Is somebody literally going to come around and put the hands on.
00:03:56
Speaker 2: There have been questions. They are asking those questions right now. Just how much of this is an invasion of privacy and how much of this is making sure that everyone's following the rules. There's a fine line, and I frankly don't know where it is because look, there are other people. Look, I have issues where I always have a slight padding in my in my sports bra, in my regular braw whatever, because I have issues related to having a double mistectomy that I like the support and just certain things. And different women use sports bras for lift support control, and the bigger your boobs, the more needs you have than the smaller your boobs, you have other needs too. It's slips. There are all sorts of issues, and every woman comes in different shapes and different sizes, have different medical histories. So I just feel like this is this is going to be tricky.
00:04:49
Speaker 1: Yeah, but how do you make the determination how much padding is too much padding? You have to have a rule. You have to say it, and only this interes thick, right. You gotta say something. It's it can't be just subjective to one.
00:05:01
Speaker 2: And therein lies the question where is the line. I don't know that it's been established. Here's what the official statement is. I'll read it to you. It's very seems very legal. But this is what was released. I believe this was late Monday night, after leg three of the Twitter fronts for women. Riders must be to the final checks before the race in their bikes and outfit no later than ten minutes before their respective start time. Particular attention will be paid to compliance with Article one point three zero three to two of the UCI Regulations, including non essential elements and clothing or other items slash accessories worn by a writer which could modify writer's morphology.
00:05:49
Speaker 1: And again, this isn't from what I understood, Rob, This isn't a situation where they think someone has a bra or something on and it's putting stuff in it. They're buying or purchasing all already ahead of time, things that I mean, do you the accusation is.
00:06:03
Speaker 2: All of the above, I believe, so faking a larger cup size by using padding in their bras to make it look like they have bigger boobs. So the accusation is that female cyclists are quote exploiting their breast size.
00:06:17
Speaker 1: Well whoa accentuating what they already have?
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Speaker 2: Yes, to create a better errow, doing dynamic situation for them. And so yeah, how are you going to prove that these aren't my boobs?
00:06:28
Speaker 1: Wow?
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Speaker 2: If you do this, I don't know, But it's called chest fairing, there's actually a term for it, or broad doping, those two things. But they're called chest fairing or broad doping, And this is a thing.
00:06:39
Speaker 1: Are they calling this broadgate yet? By chance?
00:06:41
Speaker 2: No? But I just saw broad doping accusations which made me was that was what initially made me click, was like, what is broad decaying?
00:06:48
Speaker 1: I'm going to get back to the chest fairing. I want to ask you, though, because you have more obviously experienced than I do with padded bras, is it possible you, for example, you buy can you buy a bra so padded that it would fool people around you and to think you have bigger breast than you have?
00:07:05
Speaker 2: You been in Victoria's Secret, But that that's.
00:07:07
Speaker 1: Push up stuff versus past.
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Speaker 2: But it still has a thickness to it and it pushes up. Yes, but it's got it's got some thickness to it. And absolutely there's padded bras. There's built in padding sports bras. You've heard me complain about it all the time. They have the inserts, right, they have like A and you and they always get dislodged and folded over and crumpled and get lost in the wash. I have to go find them put them back. So see the little inserts that go into a lot of sports bras, A lot of it is. This is just the truth. You don't want your nipples, you don't want to have headlights. Basically there's chafing issues, so that if you've got some padding, there's less chance of chafing for nipples. Like there are all sorts of actual reasons why women might want to have a slight lining or padding when they're wearing.
00:07:59
Speaker 1: A sports Okay, one other thing here, So it's possible. Can you you can take the padding output in different.
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Speaker 2: Paths, and some of them you can, like I have a bra on right now that just has a built in kind of like a built in padding so to speak.
00:08:12
Speaker 1: And I'm trying to make this in my last question, I'm really a point of curiosity and understanding this story. Can a woman have on a bra that is your size, that fits you for your cup size, but you feel the padding in such a way that that's the problem. Say, I absolutely in my mind that someone's putting on a broad that's too big or something like that. That's not necessarily it.
00:08:33
Speaker 2: Could be that too. It's all of the above as possible, but it's a way to basically cheat. Yes, so rounder trusts are an advantage. I didn't know that. I used to running, where like you do, you want the smallest boobs possible. When you're running, those puppies will get in your way and slow you down. And that's where my brain wents the idea that something athletic, it would be an advantage to have bigger boobs. But it reduces aerodynamic drag. The way it's been explained is it reduces the airflow around the body and therefore reduces over pressure on the thighs, and as a result, the writer experiences less air resistance and can go faster. And research shows that if you can reduce it with a slightly rounder chest, you can actually have a reduction of air resistance of up to three point six percent, and every percentage point counts, so they say, in a ride of twelve to eighteen miles per day, like they're doing in the tortifrans, it can give you actually seconds of advantage, which over a period of several days that these writers are writing, that actually could be the difference between first place and second place, second place and third place.
00:09:43
Speaker 1: It's huge, absolutely, a quarter of a second. Let's just go with that. But over twenty miles you're up to four five seconds above where your pont is. Yes, that adds up. And how many days does a towrter frans go I don't even know, but it's a lot of days being out there you have this advantage over it, exactly. It makes a difference. You're not putting as much weight or pressure or exertion on your legs over all those days as well. It makes a difference. Well, it's this is a thing they've been looking at in men for a long time and focused on because men have what we have, flattered chests, So men are looking it's that something. It's why a submarine house a rounded edge in the front, right.
00:10:23
Speaker 2: I had never thought about that.
00:10:24
Speaker 1: It was flat. Obviously the era dynamics are off. What you're talking about roades is giving yourself.
00:10:32
Speaker 2: More headlights like a bullet like you're talking.
00:10:34
Speaker 1: Yes, and the air now can make its way around instead of just running into it.
00:10:40
Speaker 2: That makes look, they said men, it's pretty easy obviously to see when men are doing but they've stuck water bottles. There are all sorts of little tricks that men have employed over the years.
00:10:50
Speaker 1: We got caught every time.
00:10:51
Speaker 2: I'm kind of obvious. Women haven't built Look, I remember, I'm thinking back to when I was trying to get into Sandford Stadium at University of Georgia with a little bit of jim b Where did we put little baggies of jim beam when? Because alcohol was banned in our bras, who's going to feel like my bra? And then I can pull out the liquid and pour it into some diet coke and voila, you've got alcohol. Now they've got much more sophisticated ways of sneaking and alcohol, But we used to use our boobs.
00:11:19
Speaker 1: Wait, we also sweet. They serve plenty of alcohol in that stadium.
00:11:23
Speaker 2: Now, but back in the day they did not, and so we had to sneak it in so where there was a will, there was a way. But I guess I'm just thinking, Look, women can sneak a lot of things people. I've seen people pull out wallets. I mean, you don't have anywhere to put something, stick them right here. So yes, but now they are putting up these tents to inspect women at the Tour de France starting out, that's how that's how bad things have gotten. Complaints flying, people accusing people of cheating. And by the way, that was the women who were competing right now. Just a couple of days ago, the men were competing in the Tour to front and they had their own little scandal. Who knew. We'll tell you after the break. Ice socks were banned, all right, So the men just wrapped up the Tour de France for the summer on the twenty sixth, and men were being forced to remove ice socks that they stuffed into their skin suits. Do you even know what these ice socks were? I had to look the whole thing up. Didn't even know this was a thing either that.
00:12:32
Speaker 1: They were using. No. No, I've never had to use and have no reason to use. But it's fascinating how they find these advantages all about. Yes, something in the socks helps you aero dynamically. Yeah.
00:12:43
Speaker 2: So these are pairs of tights that are cut down. They put literally ice cubes in them. They tied them off and they usually put them into the back of their skin suits behind their necks right to cool themselves down. But it actually does in addition to cooling them down, we ate a different shape. And so the organizers say it is the same argument as the padded bras it changes the morphology of a writer's shape enough to create an advantage. And because of that, and it was so hot in Europe. We've seen all the headlines this summer of the unbelievable heat in Europe. So yes, they were trying to use them to cool down. But also there was that little thing called advantage.
00:13:29
Speaker 1: Yeah. See the basic rule, and it makes sense and it should be there. You can't change the shape of your natural body to get an advantage. Now you can wear this certain suit that's legal, you can wear the right aerodynamic helmet, all this stuff and rose we've seen it plenty with it's why you're watching. What do we just see? When we saw the winter gag, the speed skating ropes, they look like bullets out there with what they're wearing and how the hats are designed and the suits theyre wear skin tight. Think about the Summer Games. Was Ian Thorpe Do you remember the Thorp Australian swimmer torpedo? Yes, and they wanted him to change because he was dominating and he was wearing a full body suit, Like what advantage does he have? What is he doing? And he's also built a certain way to have swimmers have bodies that look a certain way because they're are a dynamic. This is all we're talking about. We're just not used to seeing. We don't pay as much attention as closely the cycling but robes. To hear that women are going to be checked before they get on their bikes to make sure their breasts and their padding is right in their chest, it makes you go, what the hell. But even after you get past the idea robes and you're you're maybe a little chuckle, you go, oh shit, this is a serious on the level of anti doping for an international body and an event this big of a deal.
00:14:49
Speaker 2: Thus it's been called broad doping. And you asked how many days the Women's Tour de France goes through nine days of competition. There are nine stages, and they just now have cracked down on this midway through, so stage four and on. So who knows if people will complain. Hey, if you had done this at the beginning, you might have a different outcome. But they're going from Switzerland to France and a total of seven hundred and thirty miles, so that adds up. If you can get a second every couple of miles to your advantage. If you're wearing a padded bra or you're pretending your boobs are bigger than they actually are, that does make a big difference. So the final stage is August ninth this year, so perhaps whatever may have been occurring is going to be corrected now. But I still am trying to imagine what's happening in those tents and how they're confirming that none of these women competing have done anything to pad their bras or to create the illusion of bigger boobs.
00:15:53
Speaker 1: You know who's going to be more pissed, right the ones who possibly were doing this as an advantage or the one ones who have never ever thought about considered something like this. And now I got to stand here and be frishd by somebody. I'm not cheating, go over there and right that. I don't know how. Maybe the people who were complaining are happy now, Okay, at least they checked and we know it's fair. Maybe that's and maybe all of them wanted to be fair, but it just seems like a hell of a violation and they're doing it on the fly. Why weren't we checking ahead of time? And why didn't they get a heads up before the tude frants? This will be the policy, this is how it's going to be handled. Now in the middle of it, you're like, hey, everybody, show me brock And I.
00:16:32
Speaker 2: Think that's the problem because look, again, when it comes to men, it's it's pretty obvious either you have something or you don't, the ice socks or not. With a woman, look, it's complicated. We all have different sizes, we all have all different kinds of sports bras do they have a certain sports bra that cannot be used. And we've seen this evolve in swimming. You mentioned swimming in the Olympics, certain suits are no longer used. Even in running and races, certain shoes aren't allowed because they're expensive and they're not accessible to everyone. Obviously, the whole goal is to level the playing field so that everyone's operating under the same rules, with the same equipment, with the same types of advantages. But it's impossible to fully police it. This one just seems exceptionally difficult and complicated to try and police it. And I don't know, maybe because I'm not in the cycling world. I've just never heard of this before in my life. You didn't seem as surprised as I did.
00:17:31
Speaker 1: Uh when I obviously I'm shocked that they're doing this. They kind of start checking women's chests on the way out. I'm sure there'd be a lot of dudes applying for that job.
00:17:45
Speaker 2: They said they wanted a female and it has to be you imagine has obviously the TSA we see this happen when you get pulled aside. They have same sex folks checking you out. They cannot have a different Now, can women frisk No? No, it's men frisking men.
00:18:03
Speaker 1: Pretty sure that's not the case.
00:18:05
Speaker 2: I was trying to remember the last time you got friss But it's.
00:18:08
Speaker 1: Been a lot of uncomfortable moments. But it's always always they always ask if you want to do it out here in public is fine, you want to do it in progress and no, I want everybody to see what you're doing to me.
00:18:19
Speaker 2: And these are taking place in private tents that are set up there to start line.
00:18:23
Speaker 1: But are you in the room with a group of other women the other are you one on one with the inspector? Jeez, criming it.
00:18:30
Speaker 2: There are so many questions and the fact that this hasn't necessarily been set up, like you said, ahead of time, or we haven't necessarily seen this up until now, although the rules have always been the rules. I think this specific instance is taking place because people have complained. I don't know what they saw, what they think they saw. If rumors started flying that so and so was doing this, there were no specific names, There were no specific athletes that were singled out, but it was just this notion that several women may be accentuate accentuating their cup size for an aerodynamic advantage.
00:19:11
Speaker 1: You know the surefire way to do it. Just give me some before and after pictures. Just put them up. Everybody has to take a picture before the race.
00:19:20
Speaker 2: I have a question, this is this is crazy. But since you seem to know more about the aerodynamics of it all than I do, if you were to go get a boob job, would that be against the rules? Like what if I went and decided to get a boob job and became a double D and then continued in my cycling career.
00:19:37
Speaker 1: But what about the the suggestion alls I thought about? That's to that same point I thought of it. This what some women are naturally? How larger chest? Are they going to argue that they shouldn't be competing in the same because that woman has an advantage and I don't think we can get there, but robes. What if an elite cyclist decides, you know what, that's gonna give me an advantage and I'm gonna go do it. Can she be prevented from I think so? Uh no.
00:20:02
Speaker 2: How could you tell someone what they can and cannot do with their body? And medical records obviously are private, So you could go and get a boop job and no one would know, and you could just say, hey, I wanted to look better in my bikini. And the added benefit is I might shave off a few seconds on my tour to friends time.
00:20:20
Speaker 1: I hope that doesn't become a thing.
00:20:21
Speaker 2: That would be really sad if that was the case.
00:20:23
Speaker 1: Be a thing already for all we know.
00:20:26
Speaker 2: I'm sure we're not giving anyone any ideas that they didn't already think that.
00:20:30
Speaker 1: I just the part. I don't know it. I don't know rules or rules. Cycling has had a long history of cheating and doping Armstrong Road. They have issues. This is one, but it is fascinating to me and I am so intrigued by. And you and I have been to a bunch of Olympics and been around a bunch of Olympic athletes. The things they'll do to get a fraction of any advantage on time. If you tell them, if I get a haircut that's a little shorter, I'll be faster, they'll do it. They'll do anything, think about it.
00:21:07
Speaker 2: Swimmers shave their whole bodies. You talk about being around folks who are boxers and professional boxing matches, what they'll do to lose an ounce of weight.
00:21:16
Speaker 1: Man, I have seen some wild stuff robes, but what they put themselves through to get an advantage. It just these are athletes. Oh, we watch them on TV, and again, you and I have had a unique perspective. But rods, the margins are so close, it's so tight that sometimes the look can go on. They throw everything away just to try to do that. It's because they're desperate for any advantage. And now we're talking about a woman's decision to wear a particular bra, brogaate or what'd you call it? Bad do?
00:21:53
Speaker 2: You don't want to be broad doping, And it's true when you think about it. I know you and I both covered Olympics and Dara Torres I always for this one, love her too, spend a lot of time with her. I know you did too. But the Olympics in Rio where she came in, I think it was the difference between, if I'm correct, the bronze and the silver. I don't think it was the silver in the goal, but maybe it was. She was within one one hundredth of a second from the next medal. Try to get your head around what one one hundredth of a second is. But some of these world class athletes are that incredible at what they do that the difference between them and winning gold or winning a championship is that razor thin. That is a very rare and specific example, but that just gives you an idea why people, because you think, really, come on, for like a second, you're gonna risk being disqualified. You're gonna risk being called a cheater, yes, because if you don't get caught and you win, then you probably tell yourself it was worth it, because if I didn't do it, someone else else is doing it. That's the problem. And that's how it was explained because look, the organizer has made this point. I know it's only a little thing, but you have to draw the line. If you allow it to happen sometimes, or you allow certain writers to do one little thing, it's not fair. And if you allow a little then the writers are going to take more. It's just you have to create a line. You have to create a boundary, and then you have to stick to it, even if it's uncomfortable. And my god, I would think this. These inspections are uncomfortable. There's no other way to put it. This is awkward. This is uncomfortable.
00:23:40
Speaker 1: They'll figure it out on the next way. It's just the rush kind of job. And again growth they've been preparing for this for a long long time. You could even argue most of their lives they've got routines. That's the other thing we see about athletes. They hate getting out of any moment of routine. On game day, leading up to game day, and now they've been doing this for several days and I got to be there ten minutes early. Road the ten minutes. We've heard so many football players complain about playing in the Super Bowl because the halftime show is longer and it takes more time than what they're used to in their regular games. It throws them. These things matter.
00:24:16
Speaker 2: It is true. I hadn't thought about that, and the ten minutes of feeling stress. Right you're in the tent violated. Yes before, you're about to compete in the biggest event of your cycling life, and now you've got someone potentially feeling you up, asking you questions, questioning your integrity, questioning whether or not you're playing by the rules. And even if you are and you have nothing to hide, it might still put you off a little bit. It might be upsetting or off putting that you're having to go through this. You're maybe you feel a bit like happy. Yes, you know we're going to catch anybody who isn't cheated, but the point being it could put you in a different mindset having gone through that and not ever having to deal with I'm sure they have inspections and I'm sure they've been checked before, but just to know that this is going to be added, this is something that's now being announced and everyone was let know, I think within a few hours before this all was taking place. But yeah, you're right, I hadn't thought about the mental game that that could play. It could throw you off as it as an elite athlete, it all matters.
00:25:18
Speaker 1: Your schedule cannot be messed with anything that is often net routine, a different piece of equipment, something breaks. Who got out there a little later, we had a delay. They hate that stuff.
00:25:28
Speaker 2: And I'm even thinking, like, as a woman, just who does again wear a lot of sports bras and wear's a lot of padded sports bras for my own comfort from and there is a physical comfort and a mental comfort to it. And to know that whatever I have that's been working for me, I now have to change or do something different than what I want to That is upsetting, Like that would actually upset me. And I'm sorry, but breasts are really personal. There's something about It's just such a personal feminine part of who you are. And I don't know, Oh, there's just something that you feel even more sensitive about in some ways. And I just feel like this. It'll be interesting to see the reaction from and by the women who are competing.
00:26:11
Speaker 1: You know, that's that point about women's breasts. You all take ownership or maybe you see if you agree with that ownership of that part of your body. More so, it seems like the whole country often debates your reproductive Morgan, right, everybody's talking about that. But women, woman's breasts, it's I don't know, it's your pole.
00:26:33
Speaker 2: Well, they're maternal, they they're part of your identity, and maybe I feel more connected to it just because of my breast cancer situation. But yeah, it's like it's just a part of what makes you a woman, I guess.
00:26:47
Speaker 1: And they're exposed, even that they're covered all the time, you lead with them. It's the first thing that walks in.
00:26:51
Speaker 2: The room, right, and a lot of times it's the first place every man's eye goes to if you have a certain level of if you've been blessed, I should say, or cursed, however you want to look at it.
00:27:04
Speaker 1: No, you can't. Even I cannot watch women's cycling ever. Now they've lost me, they've lost Oh no, no, no, I won't be I will not be watching women's cycling ever in the Olympics. Nothing doesn't it's not true.
00:27:16
Speaker 2: But we've watched every sporting event possible on television.
00:27:20
Speaker 1: I don't that's not fair.
00:27:22
Speaker 2: It's not unfair.
00:27:23
Speaker 1: There is a cricket tournament this weekend. No, this is you brought this to my attention, the story. And you know what if we'd just hopped on and said there was a major doping scandal at the Tour de France, but well, go, what the hell the way you brought it to me this was It adds a different element, really robes to what this story is and what this says about and what we are willing to do when it comes to violating women in that And look, I'm swire saying it this way. Maybe it's not a violation. Maybe they're handling this robes in the best most professional and wonderful of manners, and nobody feels violated. Rules are rules, and we get all that. But it was a headline and it was a shocker. One option. Could they because they did this in swimming, right, you can only you can't they eliminated certain suits? Could they give the women options like these are the ones you can pick from to where and these are going to be issued by our commission.
00:28:21
Speaker 2: Kind I think that would alleviate a lot of it. But then you just also have to make sure they haven't been altered in any way. That's the key, because.
00:28:28
Speaker 1: You have to get dressed on spots right and get it handed to you.
00:28:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, but how could you don't even know how you could do that because you can't. You can't say, show me what your boobs actually look like, and now let me see what you look like in that sports spra because.
00:28:42
Speaker 1: But RO don't. Some women want more patting just walking up and down the street than others. I do, Yes, a lot of different levels of thickness, and.
00:28:50
Speaker 2: Because you're dealing with like when you think about it, like running is an extreme example, but I and I'm not a big cyclist, but I still imagine there's jostling. Different women need different levels of support. That's the issue. So I don't know how they figure it out. I don't know how they work it out. I guess it makes sense something I never considered before. But there's also just there is a level of comfort that mayes have to be sacrificed in order to make sure you adhere to the rules.
00:29:17
Speaker 1: Nice well, Tour de France going on with women right now. Won't be watching, not at all. I'll wait till they show me the before and after pictures of the winner at the end and she gets accused of something, right, isn't just because a dog, folks? I say, yeah, but what about the first three stages? You didn't check her? Then? Is this gonna be? What this is?
00:29:37
Speaker 2: They're probably trying to avoid that, I guess, and that's why they're making the change midway through, or at least a little bit before halfway through. They're done with these nine stages again, stage four on this day they've made this decision. We'll see if there are any more headlines coming out of the Women's Tour de.
00:29:53
Speaker 1: Front even that. For whatever reason, Ropes, I don't know why. That's we're talking about breasts and stage one stage to stage three is stage four?
00:30:01
Speaker 2: That is weird. I had not even thought about it until now. But let's just stick with stage nine when it's all over, because that is meaningless to me.
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Speaker 1: All right, folks, we appreciate you, Ropes, thank you for bringing this one to my attention. All right, folks, always appreciate you with these see soon
Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. Turns out it is an advantage in life to have bigger breasts. And with that, welcome to the episode. TJ. This is robes over here, and let me immediately get on record that is not a statement of my opinion. I'm getting this robes from women themselves.
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Speaker 2: Well from the International Cycling Union. Actually, who knew? I learned something significant today that apparently, yes, you said bigger boobs, but even padded bras apparently have more advantages than we realize. They don't just make you look better or sexier. No, they make you faster. They give you an aerodynamic edge or advantage when you have a padded bra or bigger boobs. Say what I would have thought that would have been a disadvantage.
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Speaker 1: You got to help me here, babe, or for the rest of this episode. What's the right language to use? Is it okay to say the word boobs?
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Speaker 2: Yes?
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Speaker 1: Is it?
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Speaker 2: I think so?
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Speaker 1: Okay? I just want to make sure that's coming out of my mouth, say a little more crass t word, of course not not. Since elementary school, we should get rid of.
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Speaker 2: That word boobs, breasts.
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Speaker 1: I think it's all fine, okay, just checking, just making sure from some of our old network days.
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Speaker 2: I can never say boobs, no one, right, but you could say bitch. How about that? That was my favorite part of the FCC. You could say you couldn't say certain things that are equivalent to men, but you can say slut. You can say bitch, but you couldn't say boobs. And I couldn't say a pregnant woman either. I had to say pregnant. People.
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Speaker 1: Also couldn't say shit's creak on. You couldn't say the name of this You couldn't.
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Speaker 2: Say the name of a television show that I love, wed just say you know the show that has a curse word in it. So anyway, yes, boobs, Okay for the rest of the episode.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So yes, what we are talking about here, and this is interesting that the Tour de France going on. They do the men's and the women's but a big controversy has Now we're being a little light here, ro this is a pretty significant story that goes in line with some stuff we see in the Olympics sometimes with these controversies about cheating, and this one has to do with women's breasts.
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Speaker 2: Yes, so this is the week that the women's Tour de France they're in the middle of the Tour de France basically, and there are allegations, there are some complaints out there that some women may have been using extra padding in their bras or that aforementioned aerodynamic advantage, and so there are now officially underway additional clothing checks. They're going to be taking place at the women's Tour de France because the use of padded bras, this is what I didn't know, is prohibited in the Tour de France and other cycling events. This is by the ICU, the International Cycling Union. This is under the regulars because yes, it has been scientifically proven that having a rounder trust we can get into it creates an advanced aerodynamic situation for said writers. So now race organization organizers are actually creating inspection tents for women, and they're ordering that women get to their starting lines ten minutes ahead of time so they can do these additional inspections looking for padding in sports.
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Speaker 1: Okay, when you hear this first of all, I think about it as a rules or rules and every millisecond counts. We know this is international competition. But robes hearing this first as a woman, like, what do you suppose to do. They're literally going to come around and somebody's going to touch or check the insight where they check it before you get dressed. They have to watch you get dressed. How does this go now? Is somebody literally going to come around and put the hands on.
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Speaker 2: There have been questions. They are asking those questions right now. Just how much of this is an invasion of privacy and how much of this is making sure that everyone's following the rules. There's a fine line, and I frankly don't know where it is because look, there are other people. Look, I have issues where I always have a slight padding in my in my sports bra, in my regular braw whatever, because I have issues related to having a double mistectomy that I like the support and just certain things. And different women use sports bras for lift support control, and the bigger your boobs, the more needs you have than the smaller your boobs, you have other needs too. It's slips. There are all sorts of issues, and every woman comes in different shapes and different sizes, have different medical histories. So I just feel like this is this is going to be tricky.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but how do you make the determination how much padding is too much padding? You have to have a rule. You have to say it, and only this interes thick, right. You gotta say something. It's it can't be just subjective to one.
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Speaker 2: And therein lies the question where is the line. I don't know that it's been established. Here's what the official statement is. I'll read it to you. It's very seems very legal. But this is what was released. I believe this was late Monday night, after leg three of the Twitter fronts for women. Riders must be to the final checks before the race in their bikes and outfit no later than ten minutes before their respective start time. Particular attention will be paid to compliance with Article one point three zero three to two of the UCI Regulations, including non essential elements and clothing or other items slash accessories worn by a writer which could modify writer's morphology.
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Speaker 1: And again, this isn't from what I understood, Rob, This isn't a situation where they think someone has a bra or something on and it's putting stuff in it. They're buying or purchasing all already ahead of time, things that I mean, do you the accusation is.
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Speaker 2: All of the above, I believe, so faking a larger cup size by using padding in their bras to make it look like they have bigger boobs. So the accusation is that female cyclists are quote exploiting their breast size.
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Speaker 1: Well whoa accentuating what they already have?
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Speaker 2: Yes, to create a better errow, doing dynamic situation for them. And so yeah, how are you going to prove that these aren't my boobs?
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Speaker 1: Wow?
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Speaker 2: If you do this, I don't know, But it's called chest fairing, there's actually a term for it, or broad doping, those two things. But they're called chest fairing or broad doping, And this is a thing.
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Speaker 1: Are they calling this broadgate yet? By chance?
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Speaker 2: No? But I just saw broad doping accusations which made me was that was what initially made me click, was like, what is broad decaying?
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Speaker 1: I'm going to get back to the chest fairing. I want to ask you, though, because you have more obviously experienced than I do with padded bras, is it possible you, for example, you buy can you buy a bra so padded that it would fool people around you and to think you have bigger breast than you have?
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Speaker 2: You been in Victoria's Secret, But that that's.
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Speaker 1: Push up stuff versus past.
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Speaker 2: But it still has a thickness to it and it pushes up. Yes, but it's got it's got some thickness to it. And absolutely there's padded bras. There's built in padding sports bras. You've heard me complain about it all the time. They have the inserts, right, they have like A and you and they always get dislodged and folded over and crumpled and get lost in the wash. I have to go find them put them back. So see the little inserts that go into a lot of sports bras, A lot of it is. This is just the truth. You don't want your nipples, you don't want to have headlights. Basically there's chafing issues, so that if you've got some padding, there's less chance of chafing for nipples. Like there are all sorts of actual reasons why women might want to have a slight lining or padding when they're wearing.
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Speaker 1: A sports Okay, one other thing here, So it's possible. Can you you can take the padding output in different.
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Speaker 2: Paths, and some of them you can, like I have a bra on right now that just has a built in kind of like a built in padding so to speak.
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Speaker 1: And I'm trying to make this in my last question, I'm really a point of curiosity and understanding this story. Can a woman have on a bra that is your size, that fits you for your cup size, but you feel the padding in such a way that that's the problem. Say, I absolutely in my mind that someone's putting on a broad that's too big or something like that. That's not necessarily it.
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Speaker 2: Could be that too. It's all of the above as possible, but it's a way to basically cheat. Yes, so rounder trusts are an advantage. I didn't know that. I used to running, where like you do, you want the smallest boobs possible. When you're running, those puppies will get in your way and slow you down. And that's where my brain wents the idea that something athletic, it would be an advantage to have bigger boobs. But it reduces aerodynamic drag. The way it's been explained is it reduces the airflow around the body and therefore reduces over pressure on the thighs, and as a result, the writer experiences less air resistance and can go faster. And research shows that if you can reduce it with a slightly rounder chest, you can actually have a reduction of air resistance of up to three point six percent, and every percentage point counts, so they say, in a ride of twelve to eighteen miles per day, like they're doing in the tortifrans, it can give you actually seconds of advantage, which over a period of several days that these writers are writing, that actually could be the difference between first place and second place, second place and third place.
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Speaker 1: It's huge, absolutely, a quarter of a second. Let's just go with that. But over twenty miles you're up to four five seconds above where your pont is. Yes, that adds up. And how many days does a towrter frans go I don't even know, but it's a lot of days being out there you have this advantage over it, exactly. It makes a difference. You're not putting as much weight or pressure or exertion on your legs over all those days as well. It makes a difference. Well, it's this is a thing they've been looking at in men for a long time and focused on because men have what we have, flattered chests, So men are looking it's that something. It's why a submarine house a rounded edge in the front, right.
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Speaker 2: I had never thought about that.
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Speaker 1: It was flat. Obviously the era dynamics are off. What you're talking about roades is giving yourself.
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Speaker 2: More headlights like a bullet like you're talking.
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Speaker 1: Yes, and the air now can make its way around instead of just running into it.
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Speaker 2: That makes look, they said men, it's pretty easy obviously to see when men are doing but they've stuck water bottles. There are all sorts of little tricks that men have employed over the years.
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Speaker 1: We got caught every time.
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Speaker 2: I'm kind of obvious. Women haven't built Look, I remember, I'm thinking back to when I was trying to get into Sandford Stadium at University of Georgia with a little bit of jim b Where did we put little baggies of jim beam when? Because alcohol was banned in our bras, who's going to feel like my bra? And then I can pull out the liquid and pour it into some diet coke and voila, you've got alcohol. Now they've got much more sophisticated ways of sneaking and alcohol, But we used to use our boobs.
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Speaker 1: Wait, we also sweet. They serve plenty of alcohol in that stadium.
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Speaker 2: Now, but back in the day they did not, and so we had to sneak it in so where there was a will, there was a way. But I guess I'm just thinking, Look, women can sneak a lot of things people. I've seen people pull out wallets. I mean, you don't have anywhere to put something, stick them right here. So yes, but now they are putting up these tents to inspect women at the Tour de France starting out, that's how that's how bad things have gotten. Complaints flying, people accusing people of cheating. And by the way, that was the women who were competing right now. Just a couple of days ago, the men were competing in the Tour to front and they had their own little scandal. Who knew. We'll tell you after the break. Ice socks were banned, all right, So the men just wrapped up the Tour de France for the summer on the twenty sixth, and men were being forced to remove ice socks that they stuffed into their skin suits. Do you even know what these ice socks were? I had to look the whole thing up. Didn't even know this was a thing either that.
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Speaker 1: They were using. No. No, I've never had to use and have no reason to use. But it's fascinating how they find these advantages all about. Yes, something in the socks helps you aero dynamically. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: So these are pairs of tights that are cut down. They put literally ice cubes in them. They tied them off and they usually put them into the back of their skin suits behind their necks right to cool themselves down. But it actually does in addition to cooling them down, we ate a different shape. And so the organizers say it is the same argument as the padded bras it changes the morphology of a writer's shape enough to create an advantage. And because of that, and it was so hot in Europe. We've seen all the headlines this summer of the unbelievable heat in Europe. So yes, they were trying to use them to cool down. But also there was that little thing called advantage.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. See the basic rule, and it makes sense and it should be there. You can't change the shape of your natural body to get an advantage. Now you can wear this certain suit that's legal, you can wear the right aerodynamic helmet, all this stuff and rose we've seen it plenty with it's why you're watching. What do we just see? When we saw the winter gag, the speed skating ropes, they look like bullets out there with what they're wearing and how the hats are designed and the suits theyre wear skin tight. Think about the Summer Games. Was Ian Thorpe Do you remember the Thorp Australian swimmer torpedo? Yes, and they wanted him to change because he was dominating and he was wearing a full body suit, Like what advantage does he have? What is he doing? And he's also built a certain way to have swimmers have bodies that look a certain way because they're are a dynamic. This is all we're talking about. We're just not used to seeing. We don't pay as much attention as closely the cycling but robes. To hear that women are going to be checked before they get on their bikes to make sure their breasts and their padding is right in their chest, it makes you go, what the hell. But even after you get past the idea robes and you're you're maybe a little chuckle, you go, oh shit, this is a serious on the level of anti doping for an international body and an event this big of a deal.
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Speaker 2: Thus it's been called broad doping. And you asked how many days the Women's Tour de France goes through nine days of competition. There are nine stages, and they just now have cracked down on this midway through, so stage four and on. So who knows if people will complain. Hey, if you had done this at the beginning, you might have a different outcome. But they're going from Switzerland to France and a total of seven hundred and thirty miles, so that adds up. If you can get a second every couple of miles to your advantage. If you're wearing a padded bra or you're pretending your boobs are bigger than they actually are, that does make a big difference. So the final stage is August ninth this year, so perhaps whatever may have been occurring is going to be corrected now. But I still am trying to imagine what's happening in those tents and how they're confirming that none of these women competing have done anything to pad their bras or to create the illusion of bigger boobs.
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Speaker 1: You know who's going to be more pissed, right the ones who possibly were doing this as an advantage or the one ones who have never ever thought about considered something like this. And now I got to stand here and be frishd by somebody. I'm not cheating, go over there and right that. I don't know how. Maybe the people who were complaining are happy now, Okay, at least they checked and we know it's fair. Maybe that's and maybe all of them wanted to be fair, but it just seems like a hell of a violation and they're doing it on the fly. Why weren't we checking ahead of time? And why didn't they get a heads up before the tude frants? This will be the policy, this is how it's going to be handled. Now in the middle of it, you're like, hey, everybody, show me brock And I.
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Speaker 2: Think that's the problem because look, again, when it comes to men, it's it's pretty obvious either you have something or you don't, the ice socks or not. With a woman, look, it's complicated. We all have different sizes, we all have all different kinds of sports bras do they have a certain sports bra that cannot be used. And we've seen this evolve in swimming. You mentioned swimming in the Olympics, certain suits are no longer used. Even in running and races, certain shoes aren't allowed because they're expensive and they're not accessible to everyone. Obviously, the whole goal is to level the playing field so that everyone's operating under the same rules, with the same equipment, with the same types of advantages. But it's impossible to fully police it. This one just seems exceptionally difficult and complicated to try and police it. And I don't know, maybe because I'm not in the cycling world. I've just never heard of this before in my life. You didn't seem as surprised as I did.
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Speaker 1: Uh when I obviously I'm shocked that they're doing this. They kind of start checking women's chests on the way out. I'm sure there'd be a lot of dudes applying for that job.
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Speaker 2: They said they wanted a female and it has to be you imagine has obviously the TSA we see this happen when you get pulled aside. They have same sex folks checking you out. They cannot have a different Now, can women frisk No? No, it's men frisking men.
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Speaker 1: Pretty sure that's not the case.
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Speaker 2: I was trying to remember the last time you got friss But it's.
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Speaker 1: Been a lot of uncomfortable moments. But it's always always they always ask if you want to do it out here in public is fine, you want to do it in progress and no, I want everybody to see what you're doing to me.
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Speaker 2: And these are taking place in private tents that are set up there to start line.
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Speaker 1: But are you in the room with a group of other women the other are you one on one with the inspector? Jeez, criming it.
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Speaker 2: There are so many questions and the fact that this hasn't necessarily been set up, like you said, ahead of time, or we haven't necessarily seen this up until now, although the rules have always been the rules. I think this specific instance is taking place because people have complained. I don't know what they saw, what they think they saw. If rumors started flying that so and so was doing this, there were no specific names, There were no specific athletes that were singled out, but it was just this notion that several women may be accentuate accentuating their cup size for an aerodynamic advantage.
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Speaker 1: You know the surefire way to do it. Just give me some before and after pictures. Just put them up. Everybody has to take a picture before the race.
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Speaker 2: I have a question, this is this is crazy. But since you seem to know more about the aerodynamics of it all than I do, if you were to go get a boob job, would that be against the rules? Like what if I went and decided to get a boob job and became a double D and then continued in my cycling career.
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Speaker 1: But what about the the suggestion alls I thought about? That's to that same point I thought of it. This what some women are naturally? How larger chest? Are they going to argue that they shouldn't be competing in the same because that woman has an advantage and I don't think we can get there, but robes. What if an elite cyclist decides, you know what, that's gonna give me an advantage and I'm gonna go do it. Can she be prevented from I think so? Uh no.
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Speaker 2: How could you tell someone what they can and cannot do with their body? And medical records obviously are private, So you could go and get a boop job and no one would know, and you could just say, hey, I wanted to look better in my bikini. And the added benefit is I might shave off a few seconds on my tour to friends time.
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Speaker 1: I hope that doesn't become a thing.
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Speaker 2: That would be really sad if that was the case.
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Speaker 1: Be a thing already for all we know.
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Speaker 2: I'm sure we're not giving anyone any ideas that they didn't already think that.
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Speaker 1: I just the part. I don't know it. I don't know rules or rules. Cycling has had a long history of cheating and doping Armstrong Road. They have issues. This is one, but it is fascinating to me and I am so intrigued by. And you and I have been to a bunch of Olympics and been around a bunch of Olympic athletes. The things they'll do to get a fraction of any advantage on time. If you tell them, if I get a haircut that's a little shorter, I'll be faster, they'll do it. They'll do anything, think about it.
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Speaker 2: Swimmers shave their whole bodies. You talk about being around folks who are boxers and professional boxing matches, what they'll do to lose an ounce of weight.
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Speaker 1: Man, I have seen some wild stuff robes, but what they put themselves through to get an advantage. It just these are athletes. Oh, we watch them on TV, and again, you and I have had a unique perspective. But rods, the margins are so close, it's so tight that sometimes the look can go on. They throw everything away just to try to do that. It's because they're desperate for any advantage. And now we're talking about a woman's decision to wear a particular bra, brogaate or what'd you call it? Bad do?
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Speaker 2: You don't want to be broad doping, And it's true when you think about it. I know you and I both covered Olympics and Dara Torres I always for this one, love her too, spend a lot of time with her. I know you did too. But the Olympics in Rio where she came in, I think it was the difference between, if I'm correct, the bronze and the silver. I don't think it was the silver in the goal, but maybe it was. She was within one one hundredth of a second from the next medal. Try to get your head around what one one hundredth of a second is. But some of these world class athletes are that incredible at what they do that the difference between them and winning gold or winning a championship is that razor thin. That is a very rare and specific example, but that just gives you an idea why people, because you think, really, come on, for like a second, you're gonna risk being disqualified. You're gonna risk being called a cheater, yes, because if you don't get caught and you win, then you probably tell yourself it was worth it, because if I didn't do it, someone else else is doing it. That's the problem. And that's how it was explained because look, the organizer has made this point. I know it's only a little thing, but you have to draw the line. If you allow it to happen sometimes, or you allow certain writers to do one little thing, it's not fair. And if you allow a little then the writers are going to take more. It's just you have to create a line. You have to create a boundary, and then you have to stick to it, even if it's uncomfortable. And my god, I would think this. These inspections are uncomfortable. There's no other way to put it. This is awkward. This is uncomfortable.
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Speaker 1: They'll figure it out on the next way. It's just the rush kind of job. And again growth they've been preparing for this for a long long time. You could even argue most of their lives they've got routines. That's the other thing we see about athletes. They hate getting out of any moment of routine. On game day, leading up to game day, and now they've been doing this for several days and I got to be there ten minutes early. Road the ten minutes. We've heard so many football players complain about playing in the Super Bowl because the halftime show is longer and it takes more time than what they're used to in their regular games. It throws them. These things matter.
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Speaker 2: It is true. I hadn't thought about that, and the ten minutes of feeling stress. Right you're in the tent violated. Yes before, you're about to compete in the biggest event of your cycling life, and now you've got someone potentially feeling you up, asking you questions, questioning your integrity, questioning whether or not you're playing by the rules. And even if you are and you have nothing to hide, it might still put you off a little bit. It might be upsetting or off putting that you're having to go through this. You're maybe you feel a bit like happy. Yes, you know we're going to catch anybody who isn't cheated, but the point being it could put you in a different mindset having gone through that and not ever having to deal with I'm sure they have inspections and I'm sure they've been checked before, but just to know that this is going to be added, this is something that's now being announced and everyone was let know, I think within a few hours before this all was taking place. But yeah, you're right, I hadn't thought about the mental game that that could play. It could throw you off as it as an elite athlete, it all matters.
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Speaker 1: Your schedule cannot be messed with anything that is often net routine, a different piece of equipment, something breaks. Who got out there a little later, we had a delay. They hate that stuff.
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Speaker 2: And I'm even thinking, like, as a woman, just who does again wear a lot of sports bras and wear's a lot of padded sports bras for my own comfort from and there is a physical comfort and a mental comfort to it. And to know that whatever I have that's been working for me, I now have to change or do something different than what I want to That is upsetting, Like that would actually upset me. And I'm sorry, but breasts are really personal. There's something about It's just such a personal feminine part of who you are. And I don't know, Oh, there's just something that you feel even more sensitive about in some ways. And I just feel like this. It'll be interesting to see the reaction from and by the women who are competing.
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Speaker 1: You know, that's that point about women's breasts. You all take ownership or maybe you see if you agree with that ownership of that part of your body. More so, it seems like the whole country often debates your reproductive Morgan, right, everybody's talking about that. But women, woman's breasts, it's I don't know, it's your pole.
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Speaker 2: Well, they're maternal, they they're part of your identity, and maybe I feel more connected to it just because of my breast cancer situation. But yeah, it's like it's just a part of what makes you a woman, I guess.
00:26:47
Speaker 1: And they're exposed, even that they're covered all the time, you lead with them. It's the first thing that walks in.
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Speaker 2: The room, right, and a lot of times it's the first place every man's eye goes to if you have a certain level of if you've been blessed, I should say, or cursed, however you want to look at it.
00:27:04
Speaker 1: No, you can't. Even I cannot watch women's cycling ever. Now they've lost me, they've lost Oh no, no, no, I won't be I will not be watching women's cycling ever in the Olympics. Nothing doesn't it's not true.
00:27:16
Speaker 2: But we've watched every sporting event possible on television.
00:27:20
Speaker 1: I don't that's not fair.
00:27:22
Speaker 2: It's not unfair.
00:27:23
Speaker 1: There is a cricket tournament this weekend. No, this is you brought this to my attention, the story. And you know what if we'd just hopped on and said there was a major doping scandal at the Tour de France, but well, go, what the hell the way you brought it to me this was It adds a different element, really robes to what this story is and what this says about and what we are willing to do when it comes to violating women in that And look, I'm swire saying it this way. Maybe it's not a violation. Maybe they're handling this robes in the best most professional and wonderful of manners, and nobody feels violated. Rules are rules, and we get all that. But it was a headline and it was a shocker. One option. Could they because they did this in swimming, right, you can only you can't they eliminated certain suits? Could they give the women options like these are the ones you can pick from to where and these are going to be issued by our commission.
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Speaker 2: Kind I think that would alleviate a lot of it. But then you just also have to make sure they haven't been altered in any way. That's the key, because.
00:28:28
Speaker 1: You have to get dressed on spots right and get it handed to you.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but how could you don't even know how you could do that because you can't. You can't say, show me what your boobs actually look like, and now let me see what you look like in that sports spra because.
00:28:42
Speaker 1: But RO don't. Some women want more patting just walking up and down the street than others. I do, Yes, a lot of different levels of thickness, and.
00:28:50
Speaker 2: Because you're dealing with like when you think about it, like running is an extreme example, but I and I'm not a big cyclist, but I still imagine there's jostling. Different women need different levels of support. That's the issue. So I don't know how they figure it out. I don't know how they work it out. I guess it makes sense something I never considered before. But there's also just there is a level of comfort that mayes have to be sacrificed in order to make sure you adhere to the rules.
00:29:17
Speaker 1: Nice well, Tour de France going on with women right now. Won't be watching, not at all. I'll wait till they show me the before and after pictures of the winner at the end and she gets accused of something, right, isn't just because a dog, folks? I say, yeah, but what about the first three stages? You didn't check her? Then? Is this gonna be? What this is?
00:29:37
Speaker 2: They're probably trying to avoid that, I guess, and that's why they're making the change midway through, or at least a little bit before halfway through. They're done with these nine stages again, stage four on this day they've made this decision. We'll see if there are any more headlines coming out of the Women's Tour de.
00:29:53
Speaker 1: Front even that. For whatever reason, Ropes, I don't know why. That's we're talking about breasts and stage one stage to stage three is stage four?
00:30:01
Speaker 2: That is weird. I had not even thought about it until now. But let's just stick with stage nine when it's all over, because that is meaningless to me.
00:30:09
Speaker 1: All right, folks, we appreciate you, Ropes, thank you for bringing this one to my attention. All right, folks, always appreciate you with these see soon