Jan. 24, 2026
Better Luck Tonight! After Rain Delay, Alex Honnold To Climb Skyscraper Without Ropes LIVE on Netflix
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RSS Feed With just minutes to go, Netflix and Alex Honnold made the decision to postpone his scheduled and heavily promoted ‘Skyscraper Live’ event Friday night. So this evening, we will all be holding our collective breaths and watching as the 40 year old Free Solo climber takes on one of the tallest buildings in the world, without ropes, in front of the world. While there will be a 10 second delay for the live broadcast, the stakes are high, one wrong move may mean the difference between life and death.
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Speaker 1: Hey, folks, it is Saturday, January twenty fourth, and we hope to hop on this morning and tell you about the triumphant climb with no ropes up one of the tallest buildings in the world by Alex Hannell, a superstar climber who had his live event scheduled to be live streamed on Netflix last night. But we can't tell you about his successful climb because the climb didn't happen. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ Robes. Yes, this was supposed to be a triumphant morning, but sure enough they had to cancel the sucker last night. And if you're climbing a building, a glass building without ropes, you probably don't want.
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Speaker 2: It to be moist.
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Speaker 3: It's so funny. I blame you. I blame you for the delay. You actually were praying to.
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Speaker 4: The gods that there would be rain or weather or something that prevented Alex Hunnold from attempting this feat.
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Speaker 3: You didn't want it to happen, and you got your wish.
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Speaker 1: Well, I was not yet. I was praying for a cancelation, not a postponement. Yes, folks, say last night you'll have been seen the story, and it's one that's really fascinating, captivating, and absolutely terrifying. Alex Hannell his plan last night. Netflix been promoting this thing for a while. Supposed to be at eight o'clock Eastern last night, Robes, he was going to climb one of the tallest buildings in the world with no ropes, live on DV.
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Speaker 4: Yes, So we actually had to be at what we chose to be at a wonderful play that my daughter produced, and it was supposed to get over at eight. So you had your phone ready with Netflix in hand.
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Speaker 1: And Darnie had like seven fifteen, seven thirty. We were looking, so it's supposed to have an eight.
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Speaker 4: So you're looking, and you're looking, and you keep refreshing and you're paying attention to what's happening on stage.
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Speaker 3: But I can see you refreshing. And when the play.
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Speaker 4: Ends, right at eight, you look at me and you say, Robes, it's scheduled for Saturday. And I had a panic and I said, no, Saturday in Taipei, Friday night in New York, and you're like, Robes, look and all we saw was Alexhunnold, you know, climbing typeey one oh one Saturday, eight pm Eastern time, and I panicked. I thought, oh my god, we put out an entire podcast and I screwed it up.
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Speaker 3: I was wrong.
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Speaker 5: It was Saturday night, not Friday night.
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Speaker 4: And you know that moment when you think I've just done something terrible that swept over me for a solid at least ninety seconds.
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Speaker 1: And there was no information at the time. We couldn't find We were googling and checking X and we couldn't find new information. But sure enough we finally pieced it together that yes, in fact, this thing had been postponed eight o'clock eastern is what time, And I'm so sorry.
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Speaker 3: So it's a fourteen hours ahead.
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Speaker 4: So it's nine am in Tipay, eight pm in the evening on the East coast.
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Speaker 3: And so it's scheduled.
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Speaker 4: They just basically pushed it exactly twenty four hours. Look yesterday, when we were talking about the anticipation of this, we looked at the weather at time I pay at nine am. It had partly cloudy skies and just a twenty percent chance of rain, so that was not expected to have this rain to it. And they made the decision from what I'm reading, within minutes before his scheduled.
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Speaker 3: So can you imagine the stress of am I doing it? Am I not? Do I get in the mindset? Do I not?
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Speaker 4: And so within just a few minutes before eight pm or I guess nine am their time, they made the call.
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Speaker 3: It was too wet or the weather looked too bad.
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Speaker 1: And so the weather forecast yesterday they thought they'd be okay because of a low percentage of precipitation. They have that same forecast essentially today, robes in the sixties and a slight chance of rain, mostly in the morning local time there, and they say it's going to be breezy. Now, I haven't heard as much talked about with more rain than the wind. But the wind has to be a fact. They say, breeze adat me. I don't know what what the threshold would be.
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Speaker 3: I don't know what the threshold for winds are.
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Speaker 4: I know, obviously rain when you're talking about glass and steel, not ideal. But this this was interesting. I was reading another rock climber who was talking about what Alex Hammold is trying, and he said, he has done a few skyscrapers, he has done some urban climbs, and he said, contrary to what you would think it's actually, when you're climbing in nature, you don't want it to be humid, you want it to be dry. But he said, when you're climbing on buildings, humidity actually helps because it was something with the rubber in your shoes.
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Speaker 3: It helps it stick a little.
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Speaker 4: So you actually appreciate some humidity when you're urban climbing, but you don't want wet, which makes sense.
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Speaker 1: I actually don't know if they use the same climbing shoes. There are specialty climbing shoes whar they're hurt like hell because it's supposed to be so tight on your foot, not supposed to be any space in there. Now the bottom of those shoes, I can't imagine putting that shoe on a moist, humid surface of any kind.
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Speaker 2: But hey, these guys know what they're doing, right.
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Speaker 4: Have you ever tried climbing on glass? I mean that is such a foreign thought to me. I don't even want to walk on glass, let alone climb on glass and any kind if wetness sounds like those two things do not go together.
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Speaker 1: So he's standing by ropes to go through the process again. Now we challenge, and we wonder, and we think it's difficult, and I'm sure it is. He'd rather have done it last night, but he knew from the moment he started planning this that this is a possibility, might have to move it a day, so he's mentally, I would guess, prepared for this possibility. I wonder, though, what is going to happen tonight. I wonder if anything is changed. I wonder if anything safety wise has changed because of the delay now.
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Speaker 2: So I don't know what this does. If it's just a.
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Speaker 1: Twenty four hour shift and we're going to try it again and everything is the same, or if this raises some new safety concerns. What if the building was wet yesterday? Does it get dry enough? What is the I mean, what other factors? So, yes, I did not I still don't want him to climb this building. That's personal. This is not a criticism of him. A lot of people giving him hell because he's got a wife and he's got two young children, and you shouldn't put yourself at risk for your kids, say can your family's sake? I don't have that criticism. What I have is a is a personal ache.
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Speaker 2: You know what ropes?
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Speaker 1: We were laughing and it's all a good time. Stray, He's going to space. Oh my goodness, anticipation, let's get ready. The day we saw him in a damn flight suit walking up.
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Speaker 2: Those stairs, we freaked out. You know, that's right.
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Speaker 5: I had not thought about that.
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Speaker 4: That's comparison, but that is a perfect comparison. You were in New York, I was there on the ground in Texas, and the two of us sat there and narrated for ABC a special report.
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Speaker 3: And we thought, this is perfect.
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Speaker 4: We love Stray, he's our guy, and we're gonna be just cheering him on as he heads up to space. And yet when the moment came and we were watching, I.
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Speaker 3: Was holding my breath.
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Speaker 4: I actually was a little taken aback at how I just went into friend mode, emotional mode, please don't die mode, and the journalism cap almost came off in some points during that special report, because in that it was life or death, and you realized one small mistake or one thing that goes wrong is literally the difference between life or death.
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Speaker 3: And that's exactly what's at stake tonight.
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Speaker 4: And so yes, I understand you just brought it home pretty by saying that.
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Speaker 3: Because I have never met Alex Haunold personally.
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Speaker 4: You spent time with him, you climbed with him and all of his pals, so I can understand what you feel much more intensely about what happens or the outcome. I mean, obviously, I don't want to see anything tragic happen. I want to see something triumphant happen. But you feel that a little bit more than the rest of us who've.
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Speaker 3: Never met it.
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Speaker 2: But I feel it strongly.
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Speaker 1: And that's the thing that brought you, the one that made me think of about this yesterday, because I am so against him doing this, and it doesn't make sense why I should want to. What was the guy Wilinda when they do the typrogram love that stuff. Never met him in my life, do you think, Man, Oh my god, this is so cool. Mm.
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Speaker 5: This is a tightrope over Niagara Falls. I watched that. That was crazy.
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Speaker 1: It was fun, like you said, And you know what, he did have ted, he was tethered in some way, so if he had plays so, man, I don't know if that made a difference, but this is just a different ropes and we didn't there was all that anticipation for straight hand. This is so cool and leading up and it wasn't until you and I were live on the air. We didn't change until we saw that image of him walking out up the stairs to go and board.
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Speaker 2: That was the moment we were like no, stop this like, don't.
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Speaker 5: Go aboard, don't go in.
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Speaker 4: And you know it's one of the you know what it's when you saw Gail King's face when she did the same. It's like it all sounds like a good idea until you actually are about to do it, and then suddenly the reality and the gravity of what you're doing hits you. I don't know that happened for Stray, but I'm just saying Gail King's face right before she went into the capsule or whatever you call it, is exactly how we were feeling when we watched Stray.
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Speaker 1: Walk into his She had the abort face herself, like abord, what have I done?
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Speaker 2: Aboard?
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Speaker 1: So yes, that's why I guess I am and he and I. Let me make clear here, he and I aren't best buds. We aren't tight. I haven't talked to him eight years. Probably we sat down for two hours.
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Speaker 2: That's it.
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Speaker 1: But I just this community, these guys, I love them, and I just don't want him to do it, and if he does it, I want it to be triumphant and I'm rooting for him.
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Speaker 2: Robes. It is just this stuff is terrifying.
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Speaker 4: Does it make you feel any better that? Look, Netflix had a lot at stake. They promoted the hell out of this thing. They chose Friday night at eight pm Eastern time for a reason. They wanted to prove what they could do, the spectacle that they could create.
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Speaker 3: They want to get into live programming.
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Speaker 4: It's something that we know streaming services are looking to enter with big events, sporting, all of that. So for them to call it off minutes before and say safety remains our top priority. We appreciate your understanding. Does that make you feel any better that they were willing to pull the plug?
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Speaker 1: What I'm saying here is they did the right thing. I'm not surprised they did the right thing because there's a major company that's trying to buy Warner Brothers right now. Really, something happened live and you all had information about whether and you all let.
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Speaker 2: It go ahead. Obviously they don't want that heat.
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Speaker 1: They're going to listen to the meteorologists, They're going to listen to Alex when you all say it safe, and our lawyers over here say it safe, then we go.
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Speaker 4: H okay, and that obviously makes a ton of sense. How about this, Alex just said something recently I thought was interesting that.
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Speaker 3: Could also make you feel a little bit better.
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Speaker 2: That there is nothing that's going to make me feel better.
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Speaker 1: There's absolutely nothing that anybody can say that is going to make me feel better.
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Speaker 2: However, we'll give it a shot.
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Speaker 1: Stay here, We'll let you hear what Alex Hanald himself has said. All right, folks, we continue here on AB and TJ on this Friday, Saturday morning. Friday, the big event was delayed on Netflix, the Big Death Off and Climb up Tie Pay one oh one, one hundred and one floors, sixteen hundred and sixty seven feet one of the tallest buildings in the world. Alex Hanneld, one of the best climbers in the world, gonna tackle this sucker with no ropes, live on television, no safety, nothing, folks. You are talking about free soloing of building that tall. One wrong move and he dies, right, is what the stakes are.
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Speaker 3: The free solo?
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Speaker 4: I mean they know when they do this that if you die, you have one hundred percent chance sorry, if you fall, you have one hundred percent chance of dying. However, Alex did say this. He's first he said, if something happens, I would die, and then he pauses, said, though, actually, on this particular building, that's not even totally true because there are balconies every few floors. So he said, within the geometry of the building, that if I fell in a certain place in a certain way, there is a possibility that he wouldn't die.
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Speaker 2: Makes me feel worse.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I get it he's saying, but we're talking about the design of the building with it, or like bamboo.
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Speaker 2: Boxes, this is what they're calling.
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Speaker 1: So if you are imagine climbing straight up a building, then you have sections where you have to literally climb backwards at an angle a little bit to come over a ledge.
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Speaker 2: And he has to do that eight times.
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Speaker 3: You said, yes, eight times.
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Speaker 2: So that's what he's talking about.
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Speaker 1: If he falls in the exact right place, he could fall down onto a balcony, is what he's saying.
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Speaker 2: I don't like that. I don't like the idea of that. I don't like that he's thinking about that. I don't like it. He's told me.
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Speaker 3: That because you wouldn't even want that in your head.
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Speaker 4: In some places, if I felt I could survive, I that might.
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Speaker 3: Mess with you.
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Speaker 4: But obviously he knows what he's doing more than any of us.
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Speaker 3: But he did get on Instagram as well.
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Speaker 4: He put out a video right after Netflix made the announcement that they were postponing, and he showed a rainy TYPEE in the background and he said, sadly, it's raining and typey right now, so I don't get to go climbing today. But I've been really touched by all the support and well wishes from folks. Hopefully the weather improves and get an opportunity to climb the beautiful Taipei one oh one fingers crossed exclamation point, same time tomorrow on Netflix.
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Speaker 5: Do you want Alex Hannold to say fingers crossed?
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Speaker 1: No?
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Speaker 2: I don't.
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Speaker 1: Well, we always say hope is not a strategy. Uh so, I don't know. If it doesn't go today, will they keep pushing and pushing and pushing.
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Speaker 2: Probably so.
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Speaker 1: And this is the beauty of We were talking about this yesterday at Netflix. This is not like a network special. If they had to cancel this, could they move it the next night? Netflix can put this on anytime they want. They can move it by an hour. Here, they can do what they want. So it sounds like they are going to get it in. I don't think we've reminded. We've been talking to Adlex Honeld. We were talking about it yesterday, but a reminder of who this guy's is. He's pulled off the biggest climbing feet I think in world history. Oh at the dawn Wall a way Yosemite El Capitan. People know that the most difficult route is the dawn Wall, this granite, slick, straight up face that very few have climbed successfully, but they've all done it with ropes, Folks. He climbed for four hours straight with not a rope, with nothing but his hands, his feet and a chalk bag. I just it is the greatest human athletic achievement I believe has ever we have ever and will ever see. Because the stakes there are one mistake and you die, period.
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Speaker 4: And this isn't just about the physical prowess of an athlete. Obviously that has to come into play. You have to have your muscles and you have to be toned. But this is a mental exercise. So this is a mind body connection and wouldn't you say, because you have done obviously way more climbing than I have, that it is more mental than it is physical.
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Speaker 1: I've told you it's one of my favorite exercises or favorite ways to work out, because when you do it, you can't be thinking about anything else in your life. Whatever your problem is, what ever going on at work, whatever meeting you have, whatever relationship is you, you can't think about it because you are constantly calculating where my hand goes next, where my foot goes next. You are constantly doing a calculation around you of where things. You cannot lose focus. The problem here is Ropes is that isn't there on this building. He's just doing the same thing over and over and over because the building is uniful.
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Speaker 4: And so the only concern that other climbers have said, given the stakes and knowing what he has to do, that the only real concern is once he gets the hang of those movements, it's about the repetition, not letting your mind wander and not hoping that your muscles don't fatigue because we don't know how long it's going to take. They think seventy five minutes. That's what most people are guessing could be ninety minutes. But the only other person to climbate this French climber, he thought it was going to take him two hours, and by the way he did it with ropes and safety procedures and safety equipment, he thought it was going to take him two hours, but it ended up taking him four hours. So look, we know that all has done. He said two or three runs with ropes, so I think he obviously has a good idea about how long.
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Speaker 3: This is going to take him.
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Speaker 4: But you know, it's one thing when he did when he did the Dawn Wall, he had a camera crew with him. They were filming a the Unbelievable documentary. We highly recommend if you haven't seen it, especially leading up to tonight's big event.
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Speaker 3: It would be awesome to watch that first.
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Speaker 4: Because I think you'd feel more into what you're seeing if you see what he's done and what he's all about.
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Speaker 3: But he knew he had cameras on him.
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Speaker 4: I was trying to imagine the extra pressure of knowing, literally in real time, the world is watching every move you make. What that does to you mentally, because he has not done a live event before that I.
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Speaker 1: Can recall well certainly nothing to this scale. This is insanity what he's doing. But I've never thought about what you just said, the extra pressure. I mean, all of us go do anything. If you're eating a meal at a restaurant, you eat meals all the time. But if you know the camera was on you, you would do something differently, if you would think differently.
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Speaker 3: You would be careful about you.
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Speaker 4: You act differently when you know, especially in real time, this isn't going to be edited, This isn't this is and you and by the way, you could die in front of the world.
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Speaker 1: I guess that is what's I you know what, knowing just what we know of him, rolled he is different. He is built different, is the best way to put it. And I would just imagine all he's done, and he knows how to block that stuff out, he knows how to focus on what he's doing. And you know, the other thing I wonder is he's not done this with a family. Does that factor into anything as he's climbing that building tonight, I don't know, he.
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Speaker 2: Didn't have a fund. Does that change it changes? How I drive? It changes?
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Speaker 1: I started wearing seat belts all the time when there are kids involved, and now somebody else is depending on me, like you change your.
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Speaker 3: Behavior really as a human being.
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Speaker 4: I have absolutely made different decisions because I'm a mom and I know someone is counting on me, someone is really lying on me.
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Speaker 3: But he spoke directly about this.
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Speaker 4: We talked about it to The New York Times, saying, eh, you know what, my kids are going to be well provided for.
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Speaker 3: I'm not worried about that. Financially.
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Speaker 4: My wife will move on, she'll find someone else, and my daughters are so young they won't even remember me.
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Speaker 1: That's just he compartmentalizes and he sees things in that way, and it makes him as good as he is, probably and that's that's probably necessary. I couldn't do something like.
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Speaker 3: This is absolutely necessary.
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Speaker 4: Emotionally, I couldn't do this, even if physically I could and mentally I could, Emotionally I.
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Speaker 3: Would be a wreck.
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Speaker 1: We talked about if anybody has Alex Hannell's wedding video of his vows, please send interest.
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Speaker 5: I would love I would pay to see those vous.
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Speaker 1: He is just a different, a special and a wildly talented and just an awe inspiring dude. And he's gonna do it again tonight. And I am absolutely praying for this dude and his family and every I just and if they cancel this thing, sweetheart, I will have a bigger party.
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Speaker 2: If they can ansel it, then I would. If he gets to the.
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Speaker 4: Top successful, you know what, he's doing what he loves, doing what he loves, man, And if he dies doing what he loves, isn't that something we all kind of have wished for. I mean, worst case scenario. You know, I look at it from that perspective. I'm pretty sure that's how he's looking at it as well. He's doing what he loves.
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Speaker 2: And what would it be for you?
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Speaker 1: Ask yourself, folks, if you could die doing what you love, what would that thing be?
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Speaker 2: I wonder what would that thing be?
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Speaker 4: What? As you see sitting sitting next to you on a plane headed somewhere beautiful?
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Speaker 3: I love being on a plane.
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Speaker 1: So is the plane on a crash and we just kind of die peacefully in the seats?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we fall asleep and die.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Wow, all right, folks, we are going to do some more relationship planning, but folks, just want to hop on give you that update another we get another twenty four hours of anticipation here, but to Alex Donald's supposed to go tonight Netflix, eight o'clock Eastern Time, climbing Type.
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Speaker 2: One oh one. Folks, one of us will be watching. We will.
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Speaker 1: We will hop on if there any other updates, folks. Always appreciate you spending some time with us on behalf of my dear Amy Robot.
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Speaker 2: I'm t J. Holmes. Talk to the ELSERM
Speaker 1: Hey, folks, it is Saturday, January twenty fourth, and we hope to hop on this morning and tell you about the triumphant climb with no ropes up one of the tallest buildings in the world by Alex Hannell, a superstar climber who had his live event scheduled to be live streamed on Netflix last night. But we can't tell you about his successful climb because the climb didn't happen. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ Robes. Yes, this was supposed to be a triumphant morning, but sure enough they had to cancel the sucker last night. And if you're climbing a building, a glass building without ropes, you probably don't want.
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Speaker 2: It to be moist.
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Speaker 3: It's so funny. I blame you. I blame you for the delay. You actually were praying to.
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Speaker 4: The gods that there would be rain or weather or something that prevented Alex Hunnold from attempting this feat.
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Speaker 3: You didn't want it to happen, and you got your wish.
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Speaker 1: Well, I was not yet. I was praying for a cancelation, not a postponement. Yes, folks, say last night you'll have been seen the story, and it's one that's really fascinating, captivating, and absolutely terrifying. Alex Hannell his plan last night. Netflix been promoting this thing for a while. Supposed to be at eight o'clock Eastern last night, Robes, he was going to climb one of the tallest buildings in the world with no ropes, live on DV.
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Speaker 4: Yes, So we actually had to be at what we chose to be at a wonderful play that my daughter produced, and it was supposed to get over at eight. So you had your phone ready with Netflix in hand.
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Speaker 1: And Darnie had like seven fifteen, seven thirty. We were looking, so it's supposed to have an eight.
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Speaker 4: So you're looking, and you're looking, and you keep refreshing and you're paying attention to what's happening on stage.
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Speaker 3: But I can see you refreshing. And when the play.
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Speaker 4: Ends, right at eight, you look at me and you say, Robes, it's scheduled for Saturday. And I had a panic and I said, no, Saturday in Taipei, Friday night in New York, and you're like, Robes, look and all we saw was Alexhunnold, you know, climbing typeey one oh one Saturday, eight pm Eastern time, and I panicked. I thought, oh my god, we put out an entire podcast and I screwed it up.
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Speaker 3: I was wrong.
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Speaker 5: It was Saturday night, not Friday night.
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Speaker 4: And you know that moment when you think I've just done something terrible that swept over me for a solid at least ninety seconds.
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Speaker 1: And there was no information at the time. We couldn't find We were googling and checking X and we couldn't find new information. But sure enough we finally pieced it together that yes, in fact, this thing had been postponed eight o'clock eastern is what time, And I'm so sorry.
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Speaker 3: So it's a fourteen hours ahead.
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Speaker 4: So it's nine am in Tipay, eight pm in the evening on the East coast.
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Speaker 3: And so it's scheduled.
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Speaker 4: They just basically pushed it exactly twenty four hours. Look yesterday, when we were talking about the anticipation of this, we looked at the weather at time I pay at nine am. It had partly cloudy skies and just a twenty percent chance of rain, so that was not expected to have this rain to it. And they made the decision from what I'm reading, within minutes before his scheduled.
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Speaker 3: So can you imagine the stress of am I doing it? Am I not? Do I get in the mindset? Do I not?
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Speaker 4: And so within just a few minutes before eight pm or I guess nine am their time, they made the call.
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Speaker 3: It was too wet or the weather looked too bad.
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Speaker 1: And so the weather forecast yesterday they thought they'd be okay because of a low percentage of precipitation. They have that same forecast essentially today, robes in the sixties and a slight chance of rain, mostly in the morning local time there, and they say it's going to be breezy. Now, I haven't heard as much talked about with more rain than the wind. But the wind has to be a fact. They say, breeze adat me. I don't know what what the threshold would be.
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Speaker 3: I don't know what the threshold for winds are.
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Speaker 4: I know, obviously rain when you're talking about glass and steel, not ideal. But this this was interesting. I was reading another rock climber who was talking about what Alex Hammold is trying, and he said, he has done a few skyscrapers, he has done some urban climbs, and he said, contrary to what you would think it's actually, when you're climbing in nature, you don't want it to be humid, you want it to be dry. But he said, when you're climbing on buildings, humidity actually helps because it was something with the rubber in your shoes.
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Speaker 3: It helps it stick a little.
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Speaker 4: So you actually appreciate some humidity when you're urban climbing, but you don't want wet, which makes sense.
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Speaker 1: I actually don't know if they use the same climbing shoes. There are specialty climbing shoes whar they're hurt like hell because it's supposed to be so tight on your foot, not supposed to be any space in there. Now the bottom of those shoes, I can't imagine putting that shoe on a moist, humid surface of any kind.
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Speaker 2: But hey, these guys know what they're doing, right.
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Speaker 4: Have you ever tried climbing on glass? I mean that is such a foreign thought to me. I don't even want to walk on glass, let alone climb on glass and any kind if wetness sounds like those two things do not go together.
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Speaker 1: So he's standing by ropes to go through the process again. Now we challenge, and we wonder, and we think it's difficult, and I'm sure it is. He'd rather have done it last night, but he knew from the moment he started planning this that this is a possibility, might have to move it a day, so he's mentally, I would guess, prepared for this possibility. I wonder, though, what is going to happen tonight. I wonder if anything is changed. I wonder if anything safety wise has changed because of the delay now.
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Speaker 2: So I don't know what this does. If it's just a.
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Speaker 1: Twenty four hour shift and we're going to try it again and everything is the same, or if this raises some new safety concerns. What if the building was wet yesterday? Does it get dry enough? What is the I mean, what other factors? So, yes, I did not I still don't want him to climb this building. That's personal. This is not a criticism of him. A lot of people giving him hell because he's got a wife and he's got two young children, and you shouldn't put yourself at risk for your kids, say can your family's sake? I don't have that criticism. What I have is a is a personal ache.
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Speaker 2: You know what ropes?
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Speaker 1: We were laughing and it's all a good time. Stray, He's going to space. Oh my goodness, anticipation, let's get ready. The day we saw him in a damn flight suit walking up.
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Speaker 2: Those stairs, we freaked out. You know, that's right.
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Speaker 5: I had not thought about that.
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Speaker 4: That's comparison, but that is a perfect comparison. You were in New York, I was there on the ground in Texas, and the two of us sat there and narrated for ABC a special report.
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Speaker 3: And we thought, this is perfect.
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Speaker 4: We love Stray, he's our guy, and we're gonna be just cheering him on as he heads up to space. And yet when the moment came and we were watching, I.
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Speaker 3: Was holding my breath.
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Speaker 4: I actually was a little taken aback at how I just went into friend mode, emotional mode, please don't die mode, and the journalism cap almost came off in some points during that special report, because in that it was life or death, and you realized one small mistake or one thing that goes wrong is literally the difference between life or death.
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Speaker 3: And that's exactly what's at stake tonight.
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Speaker 4: And so yes, I understand you just brought it home pretty by saying that.
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Speaker 3: Because I have never met Alex Haunold personally.
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Speaker 4: You spent time with him, you climbed with him and all of his pals, so I can understand what you feel much more intensely about what happens or the outcome. I mean, obviously, I don't want to see anything tragic happen. I want to see something triumphant happen. But you feel that a little bit more than the rest of us who've.
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Speaker 3: Never met it.
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Speaker 2: But I feel it strongly.
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Speaker 1: And that's the thing that brought you, the one that made me think of about this yesterday, because I am so against him doing this, and it doesn't make sense why I should want to. What was the guy Wilinda when they do the typrogram love that stuff. Never met him in my life, do you think, Man, Oh my god, this is so cool. Mm.
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Speaker 5: This is a tightrope over Niagara Falls. I watched that. That was crazy.
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Speaker 1: It was fun, like you said, And you know what, he did have ted, he was tethered in some way, so if he had plays so, man, I don't know if that made a difference, but this is just a different ropes and we didn't there was all that anticipation for straight hand. This is so cool and leading up and it wasn't until you and I were live on the air. We didn't change until we saw that image of him walking out up the stairs to go and board.
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Speaker 2: That was the moment we were like no, stop this like, don't.
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Speaker 5: Go aboard, don't go in.
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Speaker 4: And you know it's one of the you know what it's when you saw Gail King's face when she did the same. It's like it all sounds like a good idea until you actually are about to do it, and then suddenly the reality and the gravity of what you're doing hits you. I don't know that happened for Stray, but I'm just saying Gail King's face right before she went into the capsule or whatever you call it, is exactly how we were feeling when we watched Stray.
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Speaker 1: Walk into his She had the abort face herself, like abord, what have I done?
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Speaker 2: Aboard?
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Speaker 1: So yes, that's why I guess I am and he and I. Let me make clear here, he and I aren't best buds. We aren't tight. I haven't talked to him eight years. Probably we sat down for two hours.
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Speaker 2: That's it.
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Speaker 1: But I just this community, these guys, I love them, and I just don't want him to do it, and if he does it, I want it to be triumphant and I'm rooting for him.
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Speaker 2: Robes. It is just this stuff is terrifying.
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Speaker 4: Does it make you feel any better that? Look, Netflix had a lot at stake. They promoted the hell out of this thing. They chose Friday night at eight pm Eastern time for a reason. They wanted to prove what they could do, the spectacle that they could create.
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Speaker 3: They want to get into live programming.
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Speaker 4: It's something that we know streaming services are looking to enter with big events, sporting, all of that. So for them to call it off minutes before and say safety remains our top priority. We appreciate your understanding. Does that make you feel any better that they were willing to pull the plug?
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Speaker 1: What I'm saying here is they did the right thing. I'm not surprised they did the right thing because there's a major company that's trying to buy Warner Brothers right now. Really, something happened live and you all had information about whether and you all let.
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Speaker 2: It go ahead. Obviously they don't want that heat.
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Speaker 1: They're going to listen to the meteorologists, They're going to listen to Alex when you all say it safe, and our lawyers over here say it safe, then we go.
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Speaker 4: H okay, and that obviously makes a ton of sense. How about this, Alex just said something recently I thought was interesting that.
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Speaker 3: Could also make you feel a little bit better.
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Speaker 2: That there is nothing that's going to make me feel better.
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Speaker 1: There's absolutely nothing that anybody can say that is going to make me feel better.
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Speaker 2: However, we'll give it a shot.
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Speaker 1: Stay here, We'll let you hear what Alex Hanald himself has said. All right, folks, we continue here on AB and TJ on this Friday, Saturday morning. Friday, the big event was delayed on Netflix, the Big Death Off and Climb up Tie Pay one oh one, one hundred and one floors, sixteen hundred and sixty seven feet one of the tallest buildings in the world. Alex Hanneld, one of the best climbers in the world, gonna tackle this sucker with no ropes, live on television, no safety, nothing, folks. You are talking about free soloing of building that tall. One wrong move and he dies, right, is what the stakes are.
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Speaker 3: The free solo?
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Speaker 4: I mean they know when they do this that if you die, you have one hundred percent chance sorry, if you fall, you have one hundred percent chance of dying. However, Alex did say this. He's first he said, if something happens, I would die, and then he pauses, said, though, actually, on this particular building, that's not even totally true because there are balconies every few floors. So he said, within the geometry of the building, that if I fell in a certain place in a certain way, there is a possibility that he wouldn't die.
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Speaker 2: Makes me feel worse.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I get it he's saying, but we're talking about the design of the building with it, or like bamboo.
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Speaker 2: Boxes, this is what they're calling.
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Speaker 1: So if you are imagine climbing straight up a building, then you have sections where you have to literally climb backwards at an angle a little bit to come over a ledge.
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Speaker 2: And he has to do that eight times.
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Speaker 3: You said, yes, eight times.
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Speaker 2: So that's what he's talking about.
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Speaker 1: If he falls in the exact right place, he could fall down onto a balcony, is what he's saying.
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Speaker 2: I don't like that. I don't like the idea of that. I don't like that he's thinking about that. I don't like it. He's told me.
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Speaker 3: That because you wouldn't even want that in your head.
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Speaker 4: In some places, if I felt I could survive, I that might.
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Speaker 3: Mess with you.
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Speaker 4: But obviously he knows what he's doing more than any of us.
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Speaker 3: But he did get on Instagram as well.
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Speaker 4: He put out a video right after Netflix made the announcement that they were postponing, and he showed a rainy TYPEE in the background and he said, sadly, it's raining and typey right now, so I don't get to go climbing today. But I've been really touched by all the support and well wishes from folks. Hopefully the weather improves and get an opportunity to climb the beautiful Taipei one oh one fingers crossed exclamation point, same time tomorrow on Netflix.
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Speaker 5: Do you want Alex Hannold to say fingers crossed?
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Speaker 1: No?
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Speaker 2: I don't.
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Speaker 1: Well, we always say hope is not a strategy. Uh so, I don't know. If it doesn't go today, will they keep pushing and pushing and pushing.
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Speaker 2: Probably so.
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Speaker 1: And this is the beauty of We were talking about this yesterday at Netflix. This is not like a network special. If they had to cancel this, could they move it the next night? Netflix can put this on anytime they want. They can move it by an hour. Here, they can do what they want. So it sounds like they are going to get it in. I don't think we've reminded. We've been talking to Adlex Honeld. We were talking about it yesterday, but a reminder of who this guy's is. He's pulled off the biggest climbing feet I think in world history. Oh at the dawn Wall a way Yosemite El Capitan. People know that the most difficult route is the dawn Wall, this granite, slick, straight up face that very few have climbed successfully, but they've all done it with ropes, Folks. He climbed for four hours straight with not a rope, with nothing but his hands, his feet and a chalk bag. I just it is the greatest human athletic achievement I believe has ever we have ever and will ever see. Because the stakes there are one mistake and you die, period.
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Speaker 4: And this isn't just about the physical prowess of an athlete. Obviously that has to come into play. You have to have your muscles and you have to be toned. But this is a mental exercise. So this is a mind body connection and wouldn't you say, because you have done obviously way more climbing than I have, that it is more mental than it is physical.
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Speaker 1: I've told you it's one of my favorite exercises or favorite ways to work out, because when you do it, you can't be thinking about anything else in your life. Whatever your problem is, what ever going on at work, whatever meeting you have, whatever relationship is you, you can't think about it because you are constantly calculating where my hand goes next, where my foot goes next. You are constantly doing a calculation around you of where things. You cannot lose focus. The problem here is Ropes is that isn't there on this building. He's just doing the same thing over and over and over because the building is uniful.
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Speaker 4: And so the only concern that other climbers have said, given the stakes and knowing what he has to do, that the only real concern is once he gets the hang of those movements, it's about the repetition, not letting your mind wander and not hoping that your muscles don't fatigue because we don't know how long it's going to take. They think seventy five minutes. That's what most people are guessing could be ninety minutes. But the only other person to climbate this French climber, he thought it was going to take him two hours, and by the way he did it with ropes and safety procedures and safety equipment, he thought it was going to take him two hours, but it ended up taking him four hours. So look, we know that all has done. He said two or three runs with ropes, so I think he obviously has a good idea about how long.
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Speaker 3: This is going to take him.
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Speaker 4: But you know, it's one thing when he did when he did the Dawn Wall, he had a camera crew with him. They were filming a the Unbelievable documentary. We highly recommend if you haven't seen it, especially leading up to tonight's big event.
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Speaker 3: It would be awesome to watch that first.
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Speaker 4: Because I think you'd feel more into what you're seeing if you see what he's done and what he's all about.
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Speaker 3: But he knew he had cameras on him.
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Speaker 4: I was trying to imagine the extra pressure of knowing, literally in real time, the world is watching every move you make. What that does to you mentally, because he has not done a live event before that I.
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Speaker 1: Can recall well certainly nothing to this scale. This is insanity what he's doing. But I've never thought about what you just said, the extra pressure. I mean, all of us go do anything. If you're eating a meal at a restaurant, you eat meals all the time. But if you know the camera was on you, you would do something differently, if you would think differently.
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Speaker 3: You would be careful about you.
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Speaker 4: You act differently when you know, especially in real time, this isn't going to be edited, This isn't this is and you and by the way, you could die in front of the world.
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Speaker 1: I guess that is what's I you know what, knowing just what we know of him, rolled he is different. He is built different, is the best way to put it. And I would just imagine all he's done, and he knows how to block that stuff out, he knows how to focus on what he's doing. And you know, the other thing I wonder is he's not done this with a family. Does that factor into anything as he's climbing that building tonight, I don't know, he.
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Speaker 2: Didn't have a fund. Does that change it changes? How I drive? It changes?
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Speaker 1: I started wearing seat belts all the time when there are kids involved, and now somebody else is depending on me, like you change your.
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Speaker 3: Behavior really as a human being.
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Speaker 4: I have absolutely made different decisions because I'm a mom and I know someone is counting on me, someone is really lying on me.
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Speaker 3: But he spoke directly about this.
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Speaker 4: We talked about it to The New York Times, saying, eh, you know what, my kids are going to be well provided for.
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Speaker 3: I'm not worried about that. Financially.
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Speaker 4: My wife will move on, she'll find someone else, and my daughters are so young they won't even remember me.
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Speaker 1: That's just he compartmentalizes and he sees things in that way, and it makes him as good as he is, probably and that's that's probably necessary. I couldn't do something like.
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Speaker 3: This is absolutely necessary.
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Speaker 4: Emotionally, I couldn't do this, even if physically I could and mentally I could, Emotionally I.
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Speaker 3: Would be a wreck.
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Speaker 1: We talked about if anybody has Alex Hannell's wedding video of his vows, please send interest.
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Speaker 5: I would love I would pay to see those vous.
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Speaker 1: He is just a different, a special and a wildly talented and just an awe inspiring dude. And he's gonna do it again tonight. And I am absolutely praying for this dude and his family and every I just and if they cancel this thing, sweetheart, I will have a bigger party.
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Speaker 2: If they can ansel it, then I would. If he gets to the.
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Speaker 4: Top successful, you know what, he's doing what he loves, doing what he loves, man, And if he dies doing what he loves, isn't that something we all kind of have wished for. I mean, worst case scenario. You know, I look at it from that perspective. I'm pretty sure that's how he's looking at it as well. He's doing what he loves.
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Speaker 2: And what would it be for you?
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Speaker 1: Ask yourself, folks, if you could die doing what you love, what would that thing be?
00:19:21
Speaker 2: I wonder what would that thing be?
00:19:23
Speaker 4: What? As you see sitting sitting next to you on a plane headed somewhere beautiful?
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Speaker 3: I love being on a plane.
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Speaker 1: So is the plane on a crash and we just kind of die peacefully in the seats?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we fall asleep and die.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Wow, all right, folks, we are going to do some more relationship planning, but folks, just want to hop on give you that update another we get another twenty four hours of anticipation here, but to Alex Donald's supposed to go tonight Netflix, eight o'clock Eastern Time, climbing Type.
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Speaker 2: One oh one. Folks, one of us will be watching. We will.
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Speaker 1: We will hop on if there any other updates, folks. Always appreciate you spending some time with us on behalf of my dear Amy Robot.
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Speaker 2: I'm t J. Holmes. Talk to the ELSERM