July 2, 2026
Autopsy Calls Into Question Why Police Shot And Killed A 1 Year Old Boy.
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RSS Feed Attorneys and the family of 1-year-old Kohen Wiley say a preliminary autopsy contradicts the police version of events that led to Kohen’s death. Officers claim Kohen’s mom and her friend were driving their vehicle towards police as they were trying to flee a Walmart after reportedly stealing a box of diapers. However, the independent autopsy suggests the bullet that struck little Kohen came from the passenger side window, not the front windshield. The question, why would an officer shoot into the vehicle from the side, if he maintains the car was about to run him over? And why won’t police release the bodycam footage from the officer?
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Speaker 1: Hey, that folks at is Thursday, July. Seconds of the story caused outrage in one Mississippi community after police shot and killed a one year old boy, and now the boy's family says there is evidence that it didn't happen the way police said it happened. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ ropes. It doesn't make sense. Why would police officers shoot a one year old? The claim is the one year old was in a car driven by adults who were driving that vehicle towards an officer, threatening his life and he had to fire. Well, roads, we got evidence that says otherwise.
00:00:39
Speaker 2: Yes, we do, indeed, and we heard it from the family's attorney, and he and the family had an independent autopsy done by a board certified forensic pathologist who said that little Cohen Wiley, one years old, died from a gunshot wound that entered through the right side his chest and exited out of the left.
00:01:03
Speaker 1: Side, suggesting he was shot from the side. Correct.
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Speaker 3: Correct, a shot from the side, not from the front.
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Speaker 2: Imagine if a police officer is saying, which they have said, that his mother and his mother's friend were driving away from police, but towards an officer, and the officer felt his life was in danger, which is why he shot at the vehicle that he said was about to hit him. Right, So, if that was in fact what happened, wouldn't you imagine wouldn't it have to be that the officer would shoot through the front windshield. Wouldn't that be the most wouldn't that be the only way.
00:01:44
Speaker 1: Common sense tells you that.
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Speaker 2: An officer could shoot at a vehicle that was headed towards him. If he actually did shoot through the passenger window, that would tell a very different story.
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Speaker 1: That suggests the side. Now I guess robes until we see video or whatever breakdown of the scene, I guess it's possible in some way. I don't know how the shooting out of the window that we see ropes to the side. And again I think you and I saw the same thing. They do have a picture of the vehicle. Yes, the passenger side window is shot out, it shattered, But didn't we see a bullet hole in the windshield as well?
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Speaker 2: Yes, there is an actual gun shot hole in the side passenger window.
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Speaker 3: And here's what I didn't realize.
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Speaker 1: No, No, the windshield isn't there one in the windshield. Did you not notice one in the windshield as well? All right, I'm gonna pull it back up, but that's the one I was seeing.
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Speaker 2: Yes, well, I do know that the driver, the friend of the mother, was also injured in this shooting, so there were more than one. The mother of Wiley, Cohen Wiley, says that multiple shots were fired. So yes, it could be that a bullet might have oh yeah, the front windshield. Yes, maybe at first, but then as it was turning, the officer obviously clearly continued to shoot.
00:02:59
Speaker 1: Again, we're looking at a picture of Robes. They can solve this because they have video, correct, they can solve this for the community. That's outrage right now, Robes, and right now they are resisting the urge to calm the community or inform the community.
00:03:13
Speaker 2: And by what this family and the attorney Ben Crump is saying, there's a reason why we're not seeing the video. There's a reason why police haven't released the bodycam footage because they believe it supports their version of events, which is the officer was unjustified, according to the family, to actually fire shots into this vehicle, because if you look at how this bullet hit this little boy. It doesn't suggest that the vehicle was coming at the officer.
00:03:44
Speaker 1: What is our understanding? Do we have a full understanding of where the kid was supposed to be in the car.
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Speaker 3: So this is what I learned from what we heard.
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Speaker 2: I did not realize this, but that little boy, Cohen Wiley, was in the lap of his mother in the passenger seat. So they hurriedly, they must have hurriedly gotten into that vehicle, and she just held her little guy in her lap. He was in her arms when he was shot.
00:04:11
Speaker 1: But she wasn't the one injured by a bullet. The mom was the friend.
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Speaker 2: It was the friend who was driving who was injured, and it was in serious condition.
00:04:19
Speaker 1: Makes sense of that.
00:04:21
Speaker 2: It's hard to imagine how it all went down. Obviously, this all happened within split seconds. This was you know, we're dissecting it moment by moment and looking at the forensics of it all. But the reality is, obviously this all happened in a matter of seconds. So, yes, we need that body cam footage.
00:04:38
Speaker 1: They're saying, they're saying, there's an exit woman right.
00:04:42
Speaker 2: Yes, so the bullet went through his right chest and came out his left chest. They also said, there were numerous abrasions to the right side of Cohen, small pieces of glass from the side window. And so Ben Crump put it like this, He said, we have the scientific evidence of what actually happened. And he asked the question, why would you shoot into a vehicle from this side when at that point you're clearly not in harm's way. Logic, common sense would tell you you are not in harm's way if you are shooting to the side or into the side of a vehicle.
00:05:19
Speaker 1: I mean we need to hear I mean we need to see the video ropes because that there have been cases in the past similar to this, and robes they juris air on the side of giving officers that moment of feing for their life and making a split second decision. I have seen and I wonder what argument they're going to use, But why they're not showing that they can if they want to rope show the community.
00:05:45
Speaker 2: Obviously they have access to this body cam footing if they can.
00:05:48
Speaker 1: Make the decision. They say, oh, well, we need time, it's part of the investigation. We need a long time. Robes they they can and we've seen this happen in other jurisdictions. They say, no, this case is so heated, we need to make sure we get this information out, and of course they can, they're opting not to now.
00:06:04
Speaker 3: Now, there is some phone footage.
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Speaker 2: There is some video footage of the aftermath in the moments after this. This came from a witness who was there in the parking lot of Walmart. Her name was Desiree Smith, and it shows three officers as the car is still driving away with the passenger door window shattered. So you see, So there were three officers there on the scene, and that's the only video that anyone has seen because this witness gave it and said, here, take a look, see if you can glean anything from this.
00:06:33
Speaker 3: And so you see.
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Speaker 2: Three officers, you see a shot out, shattered side passenger window as the car is driving away.
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of other ways. Again, we're where I'm trying to find some scenario where the officer was at the front of that car firing. I'm trying to find some scenario in which maybe the boy was sitting in his mom's lap, turned a certain way, maybe he wasn't facing forward, and something like that. But that's why I asked about the exit room, because if he is turned and he shot.
00:07:01
Speaker 3: From his side, it would have gone into mom.
00:07:03
Speaker 1: He mom would have been injured. So that didn't make sense. So even this, if the exit wounds on the other side, did that bullet travel through and hit the woman driving the car. It's just hard to understand how the mom wasn't injured.
00:07:14
Speaker 2: It's very very confusing how everything happened and how the injuries happened to who they happened to A.
00:07:21
Speaker 1: Horrible moment too, to think a mom was holding her one year old when he got shot and was killed.
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Speaker 3: She was feeling them.
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Speaker 2: She actually described that as they were taking off and she saw the officer with the gun drawn, that she actually lifted up her son for a moment to be like, don't shoot, I've got my baby here. Oh no, So she's claiming that she lifted up her son to the window to kind of show I've got my baby here, don't shoot.
00:07:43
Speaker 3: I mean, that's what she's claiming.
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Speaker 2: Then she was showing the baby to the officers as they were peeling away, and she claims they were driving in the opposite direction. They were getting away from police. They weren't driving towards police. Look, that would make sense if you're trying to get away, then why would you try to run down an officer. He would make a lot more sense to try and get away from the officer.
00:08:06
Speaker 1: Only if the officers in your way of the exit correct. That's the only thing I guess that would make sense.
00:08:11
Speaker 2: But if you're in a parking lot, don't you have two different ways you can go? I mean, I don't know there were three officers, they could have been surrounded.
00:08:17
Speaker 1: Saying there's video of it. There is video, we don't have to guess, and it's.
00:08:21
Speaker 2: Really hard to imagine how it all happened without that video. And so yes, I do think when you think about or you consider what the demands are right now from the family, from the attorneys of this one year old, and certainly from the community who is outraged, what do they want.
00:08:38
Speaker 3: They want the.
00:08:38
Speaker 2: Body cam footage released, they want the Walmart surveillance video released, and they want background information on the officer involved in the shooting. And I think those are all really fair asks.
00:08:51
Speaker 1: I think the first two are easy. There is no policy, There is no personnel policy they can hide behind or anything like that. Robes that they just these We see it all the time when these moments are heated in the community. You want to calm the community down, and you do that with transparency. The last thing you do, Robes, when was.
00:09:11
Speaker 3: This June fourteenth.
00:09:13
Speaker 1: Here we are sitting in July with two plus weeks into this. That's not how you you calm a community.
00:09:20
Speaker 2: We have seen surveillance video, we have seen bodycam video released within days.
00:09:26
Speaker 1: Yes, Rose, you know what I'm thinking. It did an unrelated or different type of story. La the dog, the nixt dog that was shot killed, got.
00:09:36
Speaker 3: The bodycam video outrage within days.
00:09:38
Speaker 1: They said that as a part of the statement releasing due to the increased heated nature of this case, it was important to be transparent. Here you go bodycam video. It's all out. You can do this.
00:09:50
Speaker 2: Yes, and once we saw that bodycam video, what happened became pretty damn obvious.
00:09:55
Speaker 1: Yes, and so there, but there's transparency. Let the case go forward. But the community see what's happening. They're choosing not to do this in Mississippi where a little one year old black boy just got shot and killed by police. Yes, okay, that's for them not to understand why it's kind of important here to be transparent Along the way ropes this ad. I'm even confused by the way they're handling that.
00:10:19
Speaker 2: It doesn't make any sense and it just increases the distrust that is already there. And just to look we're acting. I mean, this story has been out there. We've actually done an episode on this, but just to get everyone caught up in case you don't know the details, June fourteenth has happened. There was a call for shoplifting at a Walmart. Police say when they came up to the scene, they saw the mother Cohen's mom and her friend, they claim, running from the store, jumping in their car because they claimed they had stolen a box of diapers.
00:10:53
Speaker 3: That's what this is about. These aren't hardened criminals.
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Speaker 2: This wasn't an armed robbery, this wasn't a domestic violent situation. Was some heightened, aggressive violent situation. The accusation was that the mom and her friend stole a box of diapers for one year old Cohen. And this is where we are. That's adding to the outrage.
00:11:16
Speaker 1: Obviously, how does it end in that How does an officer even think about touching his gun and when he goes for a call having to do with diapers being stolen from Walmart again. I guess, Robes, if a vehicle has been turned into a lethal weapon and driving at you, they will give him justification for that, Robes, Yeah, he will. But there's evidence of what happened here, and they're not letting us see it.
00:11:44
Speaker 2: Yes, and look, the police have claimed that the officer only shot at the vehicle because it was driving towards law enforcement, and they also claimed that the car nearly.
00:11:55
Speaker 3: Struck one of the officers.
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Speaker 2: Okay, show us that will be very very obvious and very evident, and you will put to bed all of these questions and you will calm some of the outrage if people see, oh wow, okay, I can see why that could have happened. That car was heading straight for that officer. That's an understandable response. This video could absolutely shift the outrage and give people some level of understanding. So why wouldn't they produce it?
00:12:30
Speaker 1: Well, you say shift the outrage, It might narrow it, it might focus it right the world. It could absolutely tell people that you have every right to be outraging, and you might need to be even more outraged. Why are they not showing the public this video? They've seen it and they know it. Are they sticking by it and asked that the initial statement they made. But have they made strong statements doubling and tripling down on the initial reporting? Are they pushing back on any of the narrative from Ben Crump and the family?
00:12:58
Speaker 2: Now, from what I have read, I have not seen anything where the police have changed their story, amended their story, doubled down on their story. It's been quiet, and so when we come back, we will tell you what has happened to that officer who is responsible for the shooting, and what police have said how long this investigation could take before we'll actually see any body cam footage. And welcome back everyone to this episode of Amy and TJ. We're discussing new developments in this horrific story out of Mississippi that happened two weeks ago.
00:13:43
Speaker 3: A little more than two weeks ago, a little one year old boy.
00:13:47
Speaker 2: Cohen Wiley as his name, was shot and killed as his mom and her friend were leaving a Walmart parking lot. Police claim they had stolen a box of diapers. Police claim that they were driving their vehicle towards an officer when he shot into that vehicle, and little Cohen died from a single gunshot wound. Now an autopsy report has shown at least I would say it calls into question that version of events, and the family's attorney and the family now believe that police were unjustified in firing into that vehicle. If in fact, that officer fired through the passenger side window and not the front windshield, that would imply he was not directly being aimed at by this vehicle.
00:14:35
Speaker 3: And so they're asking for the body cam footage to be released.
00:14:38
Speaker 2: Understandably, yeah, it implies, it doesn't prove it doesn't.
00:14:42
Speaker 1: So it leaves the public to sit and wonder because it implies yes, in common sense will tell you yes, but it doesn't prove it yet. I don't know. I don't know if they're going to make the public wait to understand why a one year old member of its community has been shot and killed by a police officer over a stolen diaper.
00:15:08
Speaker 2: Call it really it's outrageous. If true, it's still outrageous regardless. I mean, this is just such an unnecessary escalation that led to the death of this sweet, little innocent boy.
00:15:24
Speaker 3: And look, I thought this was a note. Police not only have not released.
00:15:28
Speaker 2: This bodycam footage, but they said, just show it to Cohen's mom, Just show it to his family, just let them know, let them see. Obviously his mom was there. She refutes completely what the police versions of events are. But the police have come back and said, yeah, this might take nine months. They are claiming that their investigation into how this shooting went down may take nine months, which would mean they aren't prepared to show the video to end anybody. I guess unless something else happens. I don't know what it would take for them to show it earlier. But they gave that date nine months.
00:16:08
Speaker 1: How can you even how do you even put that number on it robes? And why would you be comfortable as the leaders of that community sitting around and wait, having your community this is out. They should all be outraged.
00:16:20
Speaker 3: And there have been protests. There have been protests, just city leaders.
00:16:23
Speaker 1: Everybody should be outraged and comforting a community right now. You don't do that by saying, well, they got what those nine months?
00:16:30
Speaker 3: Come on? I mean, I'm I'm outraged for them.
00:16:33
Speaker 2: And look, there has been this was you asked about response from what the press have reported. There has been no response from police or authorities to the press asking for this footage. Obviously, members of the media are filing freedom of information acts. They want to see the body cam footage. I believe that's how things possibly even went down over in LA. You referenced the Knicks dog that was shot and killed.
00:16:58
Speaker 1: Look, they had that at pretty quick.
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Speaker 3: They did.
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Speaker 2: LA did respond, LAPD did respond to their community's requests. So now look, Ben Crump and others who are now surrounding this family and folks there in Mississippi are saying, we're not going to be quiet. We're not going to stop the drum beat, demanding that we get some answers, demanding that we get some proof from what you're.
00:17:21
Speaker 3: Telling us happened. We want to see it.
00:17:23
Speaker 2: We're not going to believe it, and especially now that we have this autopsy report, we really want to see it now.
00:17:29
Speaker 1: And on the mom, they know they can't do that. So you're telling me the only person who is speaking to the public who has seen the video will be the mom. She can pain any narrative she wants to publicly, unless they want to show it the video. Yeah, they couldn't. I see why they said no to that one. It's not the right thing to do, but for their sake. Yeah, she would come out immediately be the only person to give a public statement on that video.
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Speaker 2: And there I just don't know the justice vacation for not releasing it, to protect the officer, to protect the investigation, the investigation into what And by the way, I think this is a note, there have not been any shoplifting charges against the mom or her friend.
00:18:14
Speaker 3: Police have not filed any charges.
00:18:16
Speaker 1: The dias wouldn't they know that.
00:18:19
Speaker 3: That's still in question. And by the way, the mom says they didn't steal diapers.
00:18:23
Speaker 1: There you go. Okay, here's my thing. I don't care if you stole every diaper in the diaper aisle.
00:18:28
Speaker 3: Your child didn't deserve to die.
00:18:30
Speaker 1: God, no, I got nothing we're in regard to that, Okay, if I believe it or take a word for it, Mata is not it's Walmart people, exactly.
00:18:38
Speaker 2: And by the way, and Walmart has surveillance cameras everywhere, so you know, I know police have access to that now, but clearly there are multiple angles. Yes, you've got the body camp, but you also have surveillance cameras in that parking lot. Guarantee you're going to be able to see what happened in real time from different angles. Now, I wanted to get your take on this. One of the protesters on Wednesday, talking to members of the media called this shooting our generation's Emmitt till moment.
00:19:07
Speaker 3: Do you think that's fair. Do you think that's dramatic?
00:19:10
Speaker 2: Or is this how people in that community are truly feeling right now?
00:19:14
Speaker 1: I get where folks are coming from. Obviously, the historical comparison is apt in some ways and absolutely not in others. Given the gravity of that particular situation, you can compare this to a lot of I don't know, robes. A lot of recent in recent decades or so, was police shootings and trying to understand and justify shootings. But this is it won't take away from what that community at this time is feeling. Ropes. We lost someone unnecessarily, We lost someone that we can say is one hundred percent innocent of everything. Yeah, it is dead in that respect, Ropes. So we're not getting answers. It almost seems like for the community there are at least the leaders of the community this is okay, Like it doesn't rise to the level. It's not a priority for us. We'll just get to this in nine months and not understand that, Yes, this is Mississippi. We don't know the race of the officer. We do not. I'm trying to think of the video and I don't want to jump to a conclusion there. But this is Mississippi, a small town long the Delta, and a one year old black boy just got shot.
00:20:19
Speaker 3: By police who was sitting in the lap of his mother.
00:20:23
Speaker 1: So you wrote for them to not understand that you gotta they owe the community. This is a disservice to the community. And you could talk about a disservice to the officer, who deserves right his day in court, if that's what it's going to be. But how does that outweigh the rights of the community.
00:20:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the silence from law enforcement, the silence from the attorney general, the silence from authorities is deafening and it has to be so incredibly frustrating because they're not demanding right now the charges be filed. They're not demanding anything. They're just demanding video. Yeah, they're demanding a look at what really happened. They're demanding proof for what actually took place there in that Walmart parking lot on June fourteenth.
00:21:10
Speaker 1: And that's fair, looking for the all elusive thing that people love talking about but have such a hard time following through with transparency. You talk about it, transparency, transparency, Okay, step one, we shall see. But this is this is a disservice right now to that community and not understanding. Bro, this is Mississippi.
00:21:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that that is a huge part of this story. We cannot ignore that. So I think the good news is you've got Ben Crump and others around this family and they aren't going to be silent.
00:21:43
Speaker 3: They aren't going to be quiet.
00:21:44
Speaker 2: They're going to continue to demand answers, and we will continue to follow what happens in the aftermath here of this unnecessary and tragic death of one year old Cohen Wiley. And with that, everyone, we always appreciate you listening to us. I mean, Roeboch alongside T. J. Holmes will talk to you soon.
Speaker 1: Hey, that folks at is Thursday, July. Seconds of the story caused outrage in one Mississippi community after police shot and killed a one year old boy, and now the boy's family says there is evidence that it didn't happen the way police said it happened. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ ropes. It doesn't make sense. Why would police officers shoot a one year old? The claim is the one year old was in a car driven by adults who were driving that vehicle towards an officer, threatening his life and he had to fire. Well, roads, we got evidence that says otherwise.
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Speaker 2: Yes, we do, indeed, and we heard it from the family's attorney, and he and the family had an independent autopsy done by a board certified forensic pathologist who said that little Cohen Wiley, one years old, died from a gunshot wound that entered through the right side his chest and exited out of the left.
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Speaker 1: Side, suggesting he was shot from the side. Correct.
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Speaker 3: Correct, a shot from the side, not from the front.
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Speaker 2: Imagine if a police officer is saying, which they have said, that his mother and his mother's friend were driving away from police, but towards an officer, and the officer felt his life was in danger, which is why he shot at the vehicle that he said was about to hit him. Right, So, if that was in fact what happened, wouldn't you imagine wouldn't it have to be that the officer would shoot through the front windshield. Wouldn't that be the most wouldn't that be the only way.
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Speaker 1: Common sense tells you that.
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Speaker 2: An officer could shoot at a vehicle that was headed towards him. If he actually did shoot through the passenger window, that would tell a very different story.
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Speaker 1: That suggests the side. Now I guess robes until we see video or whatever breakdown of the scene, I guess it's possible in some way. I don't know how the shooting out of the window that we see ropes to the side. And again I think you and I saw the same thing. They do have a picture of the vehicle. Yes, the passenger side window is shot out, it shattered, But didn't we see a bullet hole in the windshield as well?
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Speaker 2: Yes, there is an actual gun shot hole in the side passenger window.
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Speaker 3: And here's what I didn't realize.
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Speaker 1: No, No, the windshield isn't there one in the windshield. Did you not notice one in the windshield as well? All right, I'm gonna pull it back up, but that's the one I was seeing.
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Speaker 2: Yes, well, I do know that the driver, the friend of the mother, was also injured in this shooting, so there were more than one. The mother of Wiley, Cohen Wiley, says that multiple shots were fired. So yes, it could be that a bullet might have oh yeah, the front windshield. Yes, maybe at first, but then as it was turning, the officer obviously clearly continued to shoot.
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Speaker 1: Again, we're looking at a picture of Robes. They can solve this because they have video, correct, they can solve this for the community. That's outrage right now, Robes, and right now they are resisting the urge to calm the community or inform the community.
00:03:13
Speaker 2: And by what this family and the attorney Ben Crump is saying, there's a reason why we're not seeing the video. There's a reason why police haven't released the bodycam footage because they believe it supports their version of events, which is the officer was unjustified, according to the family, to actually fire shots into this vehicle, because if you look at how this bullet hit this little boy. It doesn't suggest that the vehicle was coming at the officer.
00:03:44
Speaker 1: What is our understanding? Do we have a full understanding of where the kid was supposed to be in the car.
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Speaker 3: So this is what I learned from what we heard.
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Speaker 2: I did not realize this, but that little boy, Cohen Wiley, was in the lap of his mother in the passenger seat. So they hurriedly, they must have hurriedly gotten into that vehicle, and she just held her little guy in her lap. He was in her arms when he was shot.
00:04:11
Speaker 1: But she wasn't the one injured by a bullet. The mom was the friend.
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Speaker 2: It was the friend who was driving who was injured, and it was in serious condition.
00:04:19
Speaker 1: Makes sense of that.
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Speaker 2: It's hard to imagine how it all went down. Obviously, this all happened within split seconds. This was you know, we're dissecting it moment by moment and looking at the forensics of it all. But the reality is, obviously this all happened in a matter of seconds. So, yes, we need that body cam footage.
00:04:38
Speaker 1: They're saying, they're saying, there's an exit woman right.
00:04:42
Speaker 2: Yes, so the bullet went through his right chest and came out his left chest. They also said, there were numerous abrasions to the right side of Cohen, small pieces of glass from the side window. And so Ben Crump put it like this, He said, we have the scientific evidence of what actually happened. And he asked the question, why would you shoot into a vehicle from this side when at that point you're clearly not in harm's way. Logic, common sense would tell you you are not in harm's way if you are shooting to the side or into the side of a vehicle.
00:05:19
Speaker 1: I mean we need to hear I mean we need to see the video ropes because that there have been cases in the past similar to this, and robes they juris air on the side of giving officers that moment of feing for their life and making a split second decision. I have seen and I wonder what argument they're going to use, But why they're not showing that they can if they want to rope show the community.
00:05:45
Speaker 2: Obviously they have access to this body cam footing if they can.
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Speaker 1: Make the decision. They say, oh, well, we need time, it's part of the investigation. We need a long time. Robes they they can and we've seen this happen in other jurisdictions. They say, no, this case is so heated, we need to make sure we get this information out, and of course they can, they're opting not to now.
00:06:04
Speaker 3: Now, there is some phone footage.
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Speaker 2: There is some video footage of the aftermath in the moments after this. This came from a witness who was there in the parking lot of Walmart. Her name was Desiree Smith, and it shows three officers as the car is still driving away with the passenger door window shattered. So you see, So there were three officers there on the scene, and that's the only video that anyone has seen because this witness gave it and said, here, take a look, see if you can glean anything from this.
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Speaker 3: And so you see.
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Speaker 2: Three officers, you see a shot out, shattered side passenger window as the car is driving away.
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of other ways. Again, we're where I'm trying to find some scenario where the officer was at the front of that car firing. I'm trying to find some scenario in which maybe the boy was sitting in his mom's lap, turned a certain way, maybe he wasn't facing forward, and something like that. But that's why I asked about the exit room, because if he is turned and he shot.
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Speaker 3: From his side, it would have gone into mom.
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Speaker 1: He mom would have been injured. So that didn't make sense. So even this, if the exit wounds on the other side, did that bullet travel through and hit the woman driving the car. It's just hard to understand how the mom wasn't injured.
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Speaker 2: It's very very confusing how everything happened and how the injuries happened to who they happened to A.
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Speaker 1: Horrible moment too, to think a mom was holding her one year old when he got shot and was killed.
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Speaker 3: She was feeling them.
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Speaker 2: She actually described that as they were taking off and she saw the officer with the gun drawn, that she actually lifted up her son for a moment to be like, don't shoot, I've got my baby here. Oh no, So she's claiming that she lifted up her son to the window to kind of show I've got my baby here, don't shoot.
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Speaker 3: I mean, that's what she's claiming.
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Speaker 2: Then she was showing the baby to the officers as they were peeling away, and she claims they were driving in the opposite direction. They were getting away from police. They weren't driving towards police. Look, that would make sense if you're trying to get away, then why would you try to run down an officer. He would make a lot more sense to try and get away from the officer.
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Speaker 1: Only if the officers in your way of the exit correct. That's the only thing I guess that would make sense.
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Speaker 2: But if you're in a parking lot, don't you have two different ways you can go? I mean, I don't know there were three officers, they could have been surrounded.
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Speaker 1: Saying there's video of it. There is video, we don't have to guess, and it's.
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Speaker 2: Really hard to imagine how it all happened without that video. And so yes, I do think when you think about or you consider what the demands are right now from the family, from the attorneys of this one year old, and certainly from the community who is outraged, what do they want.
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Speaker 3: They want the.
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Speaker 2: Body cam footage released, they want the Walmart surveillance video released, and they want background information on the officer involved in the shooting. And I think those are all really fair asks.
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Speaker 1: I think the first two are easy. There is no policy, There is no personnel policy they can hide behind or anything like that. Robes that they just these We see it all the time when these moments are heated in the community. You want to calm the community down, and you do that with transparency. The last thing you do, Robes, when was.
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Speaker 3: This June fourteenth.
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Speaker 1: Here we are sitting in July with two plus weeks into this. That's not how you you calm a community.
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Speaker 2: We have seen surveillance video, we have seen bodycam video released within days.
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Speaker 1: Yes, Rose, you know what I'm thinking. It did an unrelated or different type of story. La the dog, the nixt dog that was shot killed, got.
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Speaker 3: The bodycam video outrage within days.
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Speaker 1: They said that as a part of the statement releasing due to the increased heated nature of this case, it was important to be transparent. Here you go bodycam video. It's all out. You can do this.
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Speaker 2: Yes, and once we saw that bodycam video, what happened became pretty damn obvious.
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Speaker 1: Yes, and so there, but there's transparency. Let the case go forward. But the community see what's happening. They're choosing not to do this in Mississippi where a little one year old black boy just got shot and killed by police. Yes, okay, that's for them not to understand why it's kind of important here to be transparent Along the way ropes this ad. I'm even confused by the way they're handling that.
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Speaker 2: It doesn't make any sense and it just increases the distrust that is already there. And just to look we're acting. I mean, this story has been out there. We've actually done an episode on this, but just to get everyone caught up in case you don't know the details, June fourteenth has happened. There was a call for shoplifting at a Walmart. Police say when they came up to the scene, they saw the mother Cohen's mom and her friend, they claim, running from the store, jumping in their car because they claimed they had stolen a box of diapers.
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Speaker 3: That's what this is about. These aren't hardened criminals.
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Speaker 2: This wasn't an armed robbery, this wasn't a domestic violent situation. Was some heightened, aggressive violent situation. The accusation was that the mom and her friend stole a box of diapers for one year old Cohen. And this is where we are. That's adding to the outrage.
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Speaker 1: Obviously, how does it end in that How does an officer even think about touching his gun and when he goes for a call having to do with diapers being stolen from Walmart again. I guess, Robes, if a vehicle has been turned into a lethal weapon and driving at you, they will give him justification for that, Robes, Yeah, he will. But there's evidence of what happened here, and they're not letting us see it.
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Speaker 2: Yes, and look, the police have claimed that the officer only shot at the vehicle because it was driving towards law enforcement, and they also claimed that the car nearly.
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Speaker 3: Struck one of the officers.
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Speaker 2: Okay, show us that will be very very obvious and very evident, and you will put to bed all of these questions and you will calm some of the outrage if people see, oh wow, okay, I can see why that could have happened. That car was heading straight for that officer. That's an understandable response. This video could absolutely shift the outrage and give people some level of understanding. So why wouldn't they produce it?
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Speaker 1: Well, you say shift the outrage, It might narrow it, it might focus it right the world. It could absolutely tell people that you have every right to be outraging, and you might need to be even more outraged. Why are they not showing the public this video? They've seen it and they know it. Are they sticking by it and asked that the initial statement they made. But have they made strong statements doubling and tripling down on the initial reporting? Are they pushing back on any of the narrative from Ben Crump and the family?
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Speaker 2: Now, from what I have read, I have not seen anything where the police have changed their story, amended their story, doubled down on their story. It's been quiet, and so when we come back, we will tell you what has happened to that officer who is responsible for the shooting, and what police have said how long this investigation could take before we'll actually see any body cam footage. And welcome back everyone to this episode of Amy and TJ. We're discussing new developments in this horrific story out of Mississippi that happened two weeks ago.
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Speaker 3: A little more than two weeks ago, a little one year old boy.
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Speaker 2: Cohen Wiley as his name, was shot and killed as his mom and her friend were leaving a Walmart parking lot. Police claim they had stolen a box of diapers. Police claim that they were driving their vehicle towards an officer when he shot into that vehicle, and little Cohen died from a single gunshot wound. Now an autopsy report has shown at least I would say it calls into question that version of events, and the family's attorney and the family now believe that police were unjustified in firing into that vehicle. If in fact, that officer fired through the passenger side window and not the front windshield, that would imply he was not directly being aimed at by this vehicle.
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Speaker 3: And so they're asking for the body cam footage to be released.
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Speaker 2: Understandably, yeah, it implies, it doesn't prove it doesn't.
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Speaker 1: So it leaves the public to sit and wonder because it implies yes, in common sense will tell you yes, but it doesn't prove it yet. I don't know. I don't know if they're going to make the public wait to understand why a one year old member of its community has been shot and killed by a police officer over a stolen diaper.
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Speaker 2: Call it really it's outrageous. If true, it's still outrageous regardless. I mean, this is just such an unnecessary escalation that led to the death of this sweet, little innocent boy.
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Speaker 3: And look, I thought this was a note. Police not only have not released.
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Speaker 2: This bodycam footage, but they said, just show it to Cohen's mom, Just show it to his family, just let them know, let them see. Obviously his mom was there. She refutes completely what the police versions of events are. But the police have come back and said, yeah, this might take nine months. They are claiming that their investigation into how this shooting went down may take nine months, which would mean they aren't prepared to show the video to end anybody. I guess unless something else happens. I don't know what it would take for them to show it earlier. But they gave that date nine months.
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Speaker 1: How can you even how do you even put that number on it robes? And why would you be comfortable as the leaders of that community sitting around and wait, having your community this is out. They should all be outraged.
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Speaker 3: And there have been protests. There have been protests, just city leaders.
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Speaker 1: Everybody should be outraged and comforting a community right now. You don't do that by saying, well, they got what those nine months?
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Speaker 3: Come on? I mean, I'm I'm outraged for them.
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Speaker 2: And look, there has been this was you asked about response from what the press have reported. There has been no response from police or authorities to the press asking for this footage. Obviously, members of the media are filing freedom of information acts. They want to see the body cam footage. I believe that's how things possibly even went down over in LA. You referenced the Knicks dog that was shot and killed.
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Speaker 1: Look, they had that at pretty quick.
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Speaker 3: They did.
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Speaker 2: LA did respond, LAPD did respond to their community's requests. So now look, Ben Crump and others who are now surrounding this family and folks there in Mississippi are saying, we're not going to be quiet. We're not going to stop the drum beat, demanding that we get some answers, demanding that we get some proof from what you're.
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Speaker 3: Telling us happened. We want to see it.
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Speaker 2: We're not going to believe it, and especially now that we have this autopsy report, we really want to see it now.
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Speaker 1: And on the mom, they know they can't do that. So you're telling me the only person who is speaking to the public who has seen the video will be the mom. She can pain any narrative she wants to publicly, unless they want to show it the video. Yeah, they couldn't. I see why they said no to that one. It's not the right thing to do, but for their sake. Yeah, she would come out immediately be the only person to give a public statement on that video.
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Speaker 2: And there I just don't know the justice vacation for not releasing it, to protect the officer, to protect the investigation, the investigation into what And by the way, I think this is a note, there have not been any shoplifting charges against the mom or her friend.
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Speaker 3: Police have not filed any charges.
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Speaker 1: The dias wouldn't they know that.
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Speaker 3: That's still in question. And by the way, the mom says they didn't steal diapers.
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Speaker 1: There you go. Okay, here's my thing. I don't care if you stole every diaper in the diaper aisle.
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Speaker 3: Your child didn't deserve to die.
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Speaker 1: God, no, I got nothing we're in regard to that, Okay, if I believe it or take a word for it, Mata is not it's Walmart people, exactly.
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Speaker 2: And by the way, and Walmart has surveillance cameras everywhere, so you know, I know police have access to that now, but clearly there are multiple angles. Yes, you've got the body camp, but you also have surveillance cameras in that parking lot. Guarantee you're going to be able to see what happened in real time from different angles. Now, I wanted to get your take on this. One of the protesters on Wednesday, talking to members of the media called this shooting our generation's Emmitt till moment.
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Speaker 3: Do you think that's fair. Do you think that's dramatic?
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Speaker 2: Or is this how people in that community are truly feeling right now?
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Speaker 1: I get where folks are coming from. Obviously, the historical comparison is apt in some ways and absolutely not in others. Given the gravity of that particular situation, you can compare this to a lot of I don't know, robes. A lot of recent in recent decades or so, was police shootings and trying to understand and justify shootings. But this is it won't take away from what that community at this time is feeling. Ropes. We lost someone unnecessarily, We lost someone that we can say is one hundred percent innocent of everything. Yeah, it is dead in that respect, Ropes. So we're not getting answers. It almost seems like for the community there are at least the leaders of the community this is okay, Like it doesn't rise to the level. It's not a priority for us. We'll just get to this in nine months and not understand that, Yes, this is Mississippi. We don't know the race of the officer. We do not. I'm trying to think of the video and I don't want to jump to a conclusion there. But this is Mississippi, a small town long the Delta, and a one year old black boy just got shot.
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Speaker 3: By police who was sitting in the lap of his mother.
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Speaker 1: So you wrote for them to not understand that you gotta they owe the community. This is a disservice to the community. And you could talk about a disservice to the officer, who deserves right his day in court, if that's what it's going to be. But how does that outweigh the rights of the community.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the silence from law enforcement, the silence from the attorney general, the silence from authorities is deafening and it has to be so incredibly frustrating because they're not demanding right now the charges be filed. They're not demanding anything. They're just demanding video. Yeah, they're demanding a look at what really happened. They're demanding proof for what actually took place there in that Walmart parking lot on June fourteenth.
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Speaker 1: And that's fair, looking for the all elusive thing that people love talking about but have such a hard time following through with transparency. You talk about it, transparency, transparency, Okay, step one, we shall see. But this is this is a disservice right now to that community and not understanding. Bro, this is Mississippi.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that that is a huge part of this story. We cannot ignore that. So I think the good news is you've got Ben Crump and others around this family and they aren't going to be silent.
00:21:43
Speaker 3: They aren't going to be quiet.
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Speaker 2: They're going to continue to demand answers, and we will continue to follow what happens in the aftermath here of this unnecessary and tragic death of one year old Cohen Wiley. And with that, everyone, we always appreciate you listening to us. I mean, Roeboch alongside T. J. Holmes will talk to you soon.