Jan. 29, 2026
Au Pair Affair Trial: “I Wish I Shot Him Earlier," Brendan Banfield Tells His (Wild) Story
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RSS Feed Amy and T.J. go over the explosive, direct testimony of Brendan Banfield today. This morning we got to hear for the very first time, Banfield’s version of how his wife Christine and a stranger, Joe Ryan died in his master bedroom. Prosecutors say Banfield, along with this lover and family’s au pair lured Ryan to the home to kill and frame for his wife’s murder. Banfield had a MUCH different narrative, pointing the finger directly at Joe Ryan.
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Speaker 1: Hey, that folks.
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Speaker 2: It is Thursday, January twenty ninth, and Brendan Banfield, the man accused in the so call Oh Pair affair double murder trial, is on the stand and today, for the first time any of us have heard his version of events the day his wife and another man were killed in his bedroom. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. We've heard the prosecution story, We've heard their star witnesses story, Robes, this is a much different story. He's gone through the whole thing. You tell me, first of all, is this a believable story?
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Speaker 3: This was a.
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Speaker 4: Hard one for me to fully get my head around because the way Brendan Banfield told the story, I have to believe and the jury has to believe that Joseph Ryan came over to Christine Banfield's.
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Speaker 3: House to kill her.
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Speaker 4: That is hard for me to get my head around because so far, what we've seen, in terms of any sort of text messaging back and forth, it seemed as though Joe Ryan was just a guy who was into some role play, some kinky sex.
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Speaker 3: There's nothing in his.
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Speaker 4: Past and nothing that I've heard yet that would suggest or give any kind of motive when someone has a gun on you to start stabbing that person's wife, or if he thought it was the police, why would he then murder. I had a hard time with his version of events.
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Speaker 2: And that was key, And I think you're right, Robes, you couldn't get you. He he had me up to that point. You just can't make sense of it. So a lot of you been following this case. Is this third full week I think maybe of this trial now. But Brendan Banfield on tripal killing his wife Christine and another man, Joe Ryan. According to prosecutors, Brendan Banfield hatched a plan with his old pair who he was having an affair with. Hatched a plan to set up a fake fetish website account for Christine Banfield and then lure this man over to have that man engage in some kind of a sexual activity and then have Brendan Banfield come in see this man attacking his wife, kill his wife, kill the man, and then have the man take the fall for the wife's death. That gets you caught up. So the old pair, Robes tells this whole story. It goes along with the prosecution story. Brendan Banfield finally got on the stand. He has finished at least the direct he is being cross examined as we're recording this there at lunch right now. But Robes, we can take it from the top. Let's go back to what he says happened on that day. Why in the first place did you get a good understanding of why he was called back to the house. What was his understanding of why the old pair had him come back.
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Speaker 4: His understanding was that someone pulled into the driveway, a man, and had walked into their house. So he's like, what the hell, I don't know anything about that, So fine, I can buy that. I can buy him not using the front door because it was gonna make noise to get in through the basement.
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Speaker 3: He claims he left his daughter and the o pair.
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Speaker 4: In the basement while he went to go check it up with his check it out with his firearm.
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Speaker 2: Now back up there, he told her not to come in the house. His story is that when he got back to the house, the pair and the daughter were outside in the car. He pulls in, tells them to stay outside, and goes in, and then she defies what he said and comes in later.
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Speaker 3: That is all believable. Reasonable, that's all reasonable.
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Speaker 4: And believable, and the fact that he said stay down here, and then he goes up stairs to check out to see who's in the house. And he said at that point he testified that he thought maybe it was Christine having an affair, because they had both had affairs before, but he was nervous because he had never actually neither one of them had ever caught the other in the act Babel speak.
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Speaker 2: They told each other about it. I think it's what he explained. But he explained this robes he goes up I this part got when he said he heard sounds sound like skin slapping against each other. He said he actually gave thought to leaving. That he actually considered because he went back in there with lunch or something that was in the refrigerator need to take out to Juliana. He considered leaving where he thinks he hears his wife having sex with another man, and just leaving the house and let it be and taking it up later.
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Speaker 4: Yes, and he's he says, he testified this morning that when he thought he heard moaning and skin on skin, he was going to leave, but then he said he heard it changed. The sounds changed. He said it sounded more like an impact sound. It sounded forceful, and what he thought was moaning actually sounded painful. He said, Christine sounded like she was being hurt, and that is when he made the decision to go upstairs. Fine, still somewhat believable.
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Speaker 2: Yes, up his story so far, you can buy it nothing. At this point you necessarily challenged with His phrase was from painful from pleasurable to painful is how it transitioned. Okay, whatever he's hearing. And I think he said the door was kind of cracked open, wasn't fully closed. So here we go. As he's now upstairs, gun drawn, I r s. Agent will remind you he carries a badge. He starts seeing Juliana come upstairs. He told her to stay downstairs, sees her starting to come up, he goes into the room, ropes. This is the moment, right, we have all been waiting to hear. I was not expecting to hear what I heard from him today about what he saw when he walked in that room.
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Speaker 3: Yes, he said they were. And here's the other interesting thing.
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Speaker 4: He did say Joe still had his clothes on and was looking directly at him, and that Christine was on all fours on her knees.
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Speaker 3: Now, how was their skin on skin?
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Speaker 4: If Joe had his clothes on, I did catch that, and I didn't know if he had an explanation or maybe I'm reading too much between the lines.
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Speaker 2: Well, again, you couldn't make the argument. Was he really hearing skin on sin? Was his skin? He could have been someone slapping skin again, heard and an attorney can explain that away.
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying you're concerned. Valid.
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Speaker 4: But he says that he came in and he said police holding his gun forward, and that Christine said, Brendan, he has a knife. And he said that Joe Ryan told him to drop his gun, and he told.
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Speaker 1: Joe Ryan to drop his knife. So here we go.
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Speaker 2: We got some kind of a standoff in Brendan Banfield's bedroom. This scene.
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Speaker 1: As he starts to explain this, it doesn't make sense.
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Speaker 3: It doesn't make sense.
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Speaker 4: Now, he said he couldn't see if Christine had already been injured because she had her hair over her face.
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Speaker 3: But he said that even after he.
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Speaker 4: Told him to drop his knife and he had a gun on him, that Joe Ryan decided to just eventually he went.
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Speaker 3: It took a while for him to get there.
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Speaker 4: But started to basically stab Christine in front of him.
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Speaker 2: I said, he first noticed what blood in her hair is something he noticed he shoots at this point, he said, when he saw him make that forceful motion with the knife to her neck, that's when he actually shoots Joe Ryan.
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Speaker 1: Joryan goes down.
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Speaker 2: I think he said he had to step over him to get to Christine to try to give her aid. Yes, but he goes to Christine. Apparently this wound is awful, according to him, to the point it's pretty awful to hear, but she was putting pressure on her neck. He put his hand on hers to put pressure on the wound as well. She, according to him, removes her hand from under his and puts hers on top of his, instructing him to press hard, to press harder. And at this point this was a tough detail to hear, that the wound was so bad. He said, his fingers actually went inside her neck, how bad the wound was, and that's when he first realized just how bad.
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Speaker 1: It was.
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Speaker 2: Now Joe Ryan is down, Juliana is in the room, and he tells her to watch him, keep an eye on him. Right now. Juliana disappears for a second. He didn't see where she went, but she comes back. He has no idea what's going on, and he hears another shot. Said it shocked the hell out of him and turn around stunned to see Juliana standing there with a gun, a gun that was his, that was supposed to be locked up.
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Speaker 4: Yes, but he did, I guess later testify that the key I guess the key lock or it was a touch pad, was the same as the front door, so she knew the combo, so that wouldn't be unreasonable that she would be able to get the gun out. But he said, yes, he was stunned, he was shocked, and he said he was just focused right then on kneeling down next to Christine, and he said she was This was actually really difficult to hear, and he did get emotional when he was describing that she was writhing and that she was having a tough time. She was choking, she was coughing up blood, and he was rolling her over. I mehan, he was describing this horrific scene. Something that really got me too is when he and I know that she's got family in the courtroom, but just to hear this, that that she told him that she was sorry and that she loved him.
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Speaker 2: That was tough happened, and that's just what he discussed. These are two ropes, vastly different stories. Somebody is not just just playing with a few facts. Somebody's flat out telling bold face lies. These two story people are on the stand perjuring themselves in this trial.
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Speaker 1: They somebody is lying.
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Speaker 3: And they are.
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Speaker 4: And when you see, you know, we watched Juliana vio Pier testify and she was defiant about what happened. I mean that was more of her attitude was very much like that. And then you hear and see with your own two eyes in your ears listening to and watching Brendan Banfield seemingly emotionally describe this horrific scene that he didn't think he was going to walk in on. But it's just some of the facts. This is about common sense. A lot of time we've talked about this, and much of what he testified to yesterday actually was we were very much in his camp, Like it made sense what he was saying and how he was saying.
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Speaker 2: We qualify that about being in his camp. I know what you mean, Yeah, I know what you mean.
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Speaker 4: Sense It made common sense what he was saying made sense to me, and so he was garnering traction from me, like in terms of his believability and the credibility of his story versus Juliana's.
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Speaker 1: Story that was on direct yesterday from his attorney.
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Speaker 2: What we saw this morning again was from his attorney, but totally different. We walk away feeling totally differently about what we heard today. Robes I don't have and we were listening closely. Maybe we'll go back and listen again. I don't have a good understanding of how she sustained those wounds. From Joe Ryan, it didn't make sense that if somebody has a gun on you, you have a knife to his wife's neck, just kill her.
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Speaker 4: I'm just gonna keep stabbing. Don't you know someone has a gun on you?
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Speaker 2: It just doesn't make a whole lot of sense. He what did he say? He said that he told Brendan Banfield tally. According to Brendan Banfield, Joe Ryan told him to leave, and then at one point Joe Ryan said, hey.
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Speaker 1: Can I just leave?
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Speaker 3: That was also very damning.
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Speaker 1: I was.
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Speaker 3: I was so curious as to how he thought.
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Speaker 4: Look if he's if he's making this up, that's a weird thing to say, because if the guy asks Brendan to leave, Brendan's like, you're under arrest.
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Speaker 3: I believe he said.
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Speaker 4: He told him you're under arrest, has a gun on him, and then he says, can I leave? And when he says you're under arrest, he decides to stab Christine in front of him instead of dropping the knife putting his hands up. It doesn't because you know, a gun is no match or a knife, sorry, is no match for a gun.
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Speaker 1: He wasn't a hardened criminal or something.
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Speaker 3: He was just a guy looking to have some kinky sex. And so that to me doesn't make sense.
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Speaker 4: No one with a knife in their hand and a and a victim right there is going to take on somebody.
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Speaker 3: Who has a gun.
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Speaker 2: That's a tough one to get over, just as a human being. That's a just doesn't make sense. Could it happen? Have happened this way? Obviously, yes, but that one didn't make sense. But folks, the like we mentioned, they're in a lunch break. Now the prosecution is getting its go across examination. Now we were able to see just the beginning of it. It is going to pick back up after lunch, but stay here we'll tell you how explosive that thing has already gotten in just a few minutes and the few questions the prosecutors have been able to ask.
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Speaker 1: Brendan Manfield. Stay hear.
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Speaker 2: We continue here on Amy and TJ. One of the most critical days in the Old Pair affair double murder trial. Brendan Banfield, the defendant, is on the stand, testifying in his own defense. The ross examination is under way. Prosecutors are getting to ask him some questions. Wrote remind me when the questions about sex came up. Was that still with his attorney or that yeah, that was his attorney?
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Speaker 4: She kept objecting, Yes, it was very Yes, it was very disruptive once again, but his defense attorney was asking him about basically it was kind of explaining the affairs.
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Speaker 3: That he had a higher sex drive than his wife.
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Speaker 4: So they were talking about that, trying to explain basically perhaps why they were both having affairs and why maybe Christine had different interests than him and sexually, and that could have explained perhaps the scene he walked in. On the other thing, I thought was interesting that we didn't mention before the break, which I thought was just kind of a drop the mic moment the defense attorney was trying to find a way to end the testimony, the direct testimony with Brandon. He couldn't land his plane because the prosecutor kept interrupting. But eventually he did elicit this response in terms of what he was trying to ask Brandon, what you have done differently if you could go back into the room, And she kept objecting, saying relevance, relevance, But eventually he was able to get Brendan to say this line, I wish I shot him earlier, speaking of Joe Ryan, meaning if he had shot him earlier, he could have stopped him from continuing to stab Christine. Again, It's just a hard thing for me to imagine that Joe Ryan, with a gun on him, with someone who says police, who has a badge that may be exposed right there in his midsection, is going to choose to stab someone after the guns on him.
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Speaker 2: Again, It's possible, but that is one it's hard to get over if you're in that jury room. That one just is a difficult one to make sense of. And then you go to the evidence. What does the evidence show? Does the evidence is it consistent?
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Speaker 1: Robes?
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Speaker 2: Can you remember is it consistent, her wounds consistent. Will the story he just described.
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Speaker 4: It's hard to say, because you know if he tried, According to the prosecution, he tried to stage the scene.
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Speaker 3: He tried to.
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Speaker 4: Drip the blood on her from Joe Ryan's hand. But he did say this, I never touched Joe Ryan. He did testify to that today.
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Speaker 2: Never touched Joe Ryan, never touched the laptop, never touched the cell phone of Christine. He said on that day he didn't touch any of that stuff. Oh, Robes, this cross examination is going to be something. We'll let you know how the day is going to go. They're coming back from lunch here in just a little bit, and the prosecutor she only got a few questions in right before the lunch break. Don't know how long this will go now, Robes, because there was some thought that they could wrap up and jury could get the instructions today. But now the prosecutor says they have a rebuttal witness someone somewhere who heard something in Brendan Banfield's testimony yesterday.
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Speaker 1: Robes that said.
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Speaker 2: Nah, and called up and the prosecutor said, we didn't even know about this until yesterday.
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Speaker 3: Yes, So there is a surprise rebuttal witness.
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Speaker 4: She said, this person's name first off in court, and I think they were even getting it wrong. It was they were trying to figure out what it was, and I was hoping they were going to discuss who it was and give some sort of indication. And the defense attorney said, you know what, we'll do it when we have a private moment. We'll discuss because obviously the defense needs time to figure out how to then cross examine this rebuttal witness. But if the prosecution said, hey, we didn't know about it either. But it was because of Brendan Banfield's testimony that this person spoke up and said, I want to refute something that Brendan Banfield testified to that is going to be very interesting and certainly was a surprise to everyone this morning, including the defense.
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Speaker 2: Yes, so when the gross examination started, her first or her second question ended up in a sidebar with the attorneys with the questions what was it she was trying to get out of him. Oh yeah, She was saying, yeah, you're telling this story, and the first time you told it is today here in this courtroom. You had three years to talk to all these investigators. There was another legal this and that, and he said, yep, this is the first time. And he explained, my attorneys advised me not to talk to y'all and not to do this and not to do that.
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Speaker 4: Yes, he said, I told counsel. I told my attorneys that I would sit down with anyone and explain exactly what happened and tell my side of things, and I was advised by my attorneys not to do so. And look, that is fair by that, that is absolutely something. Look, we've known and talked to plenty of defense attorneys. That is the first thing a experienced defense attorney, criminal defense attorney will tell their client, do not speak. I know you want to I know you want to say it. I know you want to tell your side of things. You cannot, should not do not save it for trial.
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Speaker 3: That is what they tell their clients.
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Speaker 1: Innocent, they'll tell you to shut up.
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Speaker 3: And that's so hard.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's hard to do. So, folks, we will keep an eye on it. Please keep an eye on our feed. We will definitely be hopping back on to give an update about his testimony and the cross examination by prosecution. But for now, we appreciate you, as always spending some time and following along with us, But I am t J. Holmes On behalf of my dear Amy Robot. We will be talking to you all real soon
Speaker 1: Hey, that folks.
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Speaker 2: It is Thursday, January twenty ninth, and Brendan Banfield, the man accused in the so call Oh Pair affair double murder trial, is on the stand and today, for the first time any of us have heard his version of events the day his wife and another man were killed in his bedroom. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. We've heard the prosecution story, We've heard their star witnesses story, Robes, this is a much different story. He's gone through the whole thing. You tell me, first of all, is this a believable story?
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Speaker 3: This was a.
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Speaker 4: Hard one for me to fully get my head around because the way Brendan Banfield told the story, I have to believe and the jury has to believe that Joseph Ryan came over to Christine Banfield's.
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Speaker 3: House to kill her.
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Speaker 4: That is hard for me to get my head around because so far, what we've seen, in terms of any sort of text messaging back and forth, it seemed as though Joe Ryan was just a guy who was into some role play, some kinky sex.
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Speaker 3: There's nothing in his.
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Speaker 4: Past and nothing that I've heard yet that would suggest or give any kind of motive when someone has a gun on you to start stabbing that person's wife, or if he thought it was the police, why would he then murder. I had a hard time with his version of events.
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Speaker 2: And that was key, And I think you're right, Robes, you couldn't get you. He he had me up to that point. You just can't make sense of it. So a lot of you been following this case. Is this third full week I think maybe of this trial now. But Brendan Banfield on tripal killing his wife Christine and another man, Joe Ryan. According to prosecutors, Brendan Banfield hatched a plan with his old pair who he was having an affair with. Hatched a plan to set up a fake fetish website account for Christine Banfield and then lure this man over to have that man engage in some kind of a sexual activity and then have Brendan Banfield come in see this man attacking his wife, kill his wife, kill the man, and then have the man take the fall for the wife's death. That gets you caught up. So the old pair, Robes tells this whole story. It goes along with the prosecution story. Brendan Banfield finally got on the stand. He has finished at least the direct he is being cross examined as we're recording this there at lunch right now. But Robes, we can take it from the top. Let's go back to what he says happened on that day. Why in the first place did you get a good understanding of why he was called back to the house. What was his understanding of why the old pair had him come back.
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Speaker 4: His understanding was that someone pulled into the driveway, a man, and had walked into their house. So he's like, what the hell, I don't know anything about that, So fine, I can buy that. I can buy him not using the front door because it was gonna make noise to get in through the basement.
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Speaker 3: He claims he left his daughter and the o pair.
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Speaker 4: In the basement while he went to go check it up with his check it out with his firearm.
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Speaker 2: Now back up there, he told her not to come in the house. His story is that when he got back to the house, the pair and the daughter were outside in the car. He pulls in, tells them to stay outside, and goes in, and then she defies what he said and comes in later.
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Speaker 3: That is all believable. Reasonable, that's all reasonable.
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Speaker 4: And believable, and the fact that he said stay down here, and then he goes up stairs to check out to see who's in the house. And he said at that point he testified that he thought maybe it was Christine having an affair, because they had both had affairs before, but he was nervous because he had never actually neither one of them had ever caught the other in the act Babel speak.
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Speaker 2: They told each other about it. I think it's what he explained. But he explained this robes he goes up I this part got when he said he heard sounds sound like skin slapping against each other. He said he actually gave thought to leaving. That he actually considered because he went back in there with lunch or something that was in the refrigerator need to take out to Juliana. He considered leaving where he thinks he hears his wife having sex with another man, and just leaving the house and let it be and taking it up later.
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Speaker 4: Yes, and he's he says, he testified this morning that when he thought he heard moaning and skin on skin, he was going to leave, but then he said he heard it changed. The sounds changed. He said it sounded more like an impact sound. It sounded forceful, and what he thought was moaning actually sounded painful. He said, Christine sounded like she was being hurt, and that is when he made the decision to go upstairs. Fine, still somewhat believable.
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Speaker 2: Yes, up his story so far, you can buy it nothing. At this point you necessarily challenged with His phrase was from painful from pleasurable to painful is how it transitioned. Okay, whatever he's hearing. And I think he said the door was kind of cracked open, wasn't fully closed. So here we go. As he's now upstairs, gun drawn, I r s. Agent will remind you he carries a badge. He starts seeing Juliana come upstairs. He told her to stay downstairs, sees her starting to come up, he goes into the room, ropes. This is the moment, right, we have all been waiting to hear. I was not expecting to hear what I heard from him today about what he saw when he walked in that room.
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Speaker 3: Yes, he said they were. And here's the other interesting thing.
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Speaker 4: He did say Joe still had his clothes on and was looking directly at him, and that Christine was on all fours on her knees.
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Speaker 3: Now, how was their skin on skin?
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Speaker 4: If Joe had his clothes on, I did catch that, and I didn't know if he had an explanation or maybe I'm reading too much between the lines.
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Speaker 2: Well, again, you couldn't make the argument. Was he really hearing skin on sin? Was his skin? He could have been someone slapping skin again, heard and an attorney can explain that away.
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying you're concerned. Valid.
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Speaker 4: But he says that he came in and he said police holding his gun forward, and that Christine said, Brendan, he has a knife. And he said that Joe Ryan told him to drop his gun, and he told.
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Speaker 1: Joe Ryan to drop his knife. So here we go.
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Speaker 2: We got some kind of a standoff in Brendan Banfield's bedroom. This scene.
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Speaker 1: As he starts to explain this, it doesn't make sense.
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Speaker 3: It doesn't make sense.
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Speaker 4: Now, he said he couldn't see if Christine had already been injured because she had her hair over her face.
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Speaker 3: But he said that even after he.
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Speaker 4: Told him to drop his knife and he had a gun on him, that Joe Ryan decided to just eventually he went.
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Speaker 3: It took a while for him to get there.
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Speaker 4: But started to basically stab Christine in front of him.
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Speaker 2: I said, he first noticed what blood in her hair is something he noticed he shoots at this point, he said, when he saw him make that forceful motion with the knife to her neck, that's when he actually shoots Joe Ryan.
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Speaker 1: Joryan goes down.
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Speaker 2: I think he said he had to step over him to get to Christine to try to give her aid. Yes, but he goes to Christine. Apparently this wound is awful, according to him, to the point it's pretty awful to hear, but she was putting pressure on her neck. He put his hand on hers to put pressure on the wound as well. She, according to him, removes her hand from under his and puts hers on top of his, instructing him to press hard, to press harder. And at this point this was a tough detail to hear, that the wound was so bad. He said, his fingers actually went inside her neck, how bad the wound was, and that's when he first realized just how bad.
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Speaker 1: It was.
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Speaker 2: Now Joe Ryan is down, Juliana is in the room, and he tells her to watch him, keep an eye on him. Right now. Juliana disappears for a second. He didn't see where she went, but she comes back. He has no idea what's going on, and he hears another shot. Said it shocked the hell out of him and turn around stunned to see Juliana standing there with a gun, a gun that was his, that was supposed to be locked up.
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Speaker 4: Yes, but he did, I guess later testify that the key I guess the key lock or it was a touch pad, was the same as the front door, so she knew the combo, so that wouldn't be unreasonable that she would be able to get the gun out. But he said, yes, he was stunned, he was shocked, and he said he was just focused right then on kneeling down next to Christine, and he said she was This was actually really difficult to hear, and he did get emotional when he was describing that she was writhing and that she was having a tough time. She was choking, she was coughing up blood, and he was rolling her over. I mehan, he was describing this horrific scene. Something that really got me too is when he and I know that she's got family in the courtroom, but just to hear this, that that she told him that she was sorry and that she loved him.
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Speaker 2: That was tough happened, and that's just what he discussed. These are two ropes, vastly different stories. Somebody is not just just playing with a few facts. Somebody's flat out telling bold face lies. These two story people are on the stand perjuring themselves in this trial.
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Speaker 1: They somebody is lying.
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Speaker 3: And they are.
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Speaker 4: And when you see, you know, we watched Juliana vio Pier testify and she was defiant about what happened. I mean that was more of her attitude was very much like that. And then you hear and see with your own two eyes in your ears listening to and watching Brendan Banfield seemingly emotionally describe this horrific scene that he didn't think he was going to walk in on. But it's just some of the facts. This is about common sense. A lot of time we've talked about this, and much of what he testified to yesterday actually was we were very much in his camp, Like it made sense what he was saying and how he was saying.
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Speaker 2: We qualify that about being in his camp. I know what you mean, Yeah, I know what you mean.
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Speaker 4: Sense It made common sense what he was saying made sense to me, and so he was garnering traction from me, like in terms of his believability and the credibility of his story versus Juliana's.
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Speaker 1: Story that was on direct yesterday from his attorney.
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Speaker 2: What we saw this morning again was from his attorney, but totally different. We walk away feeling totally differently about what we heard today. Robes I don't have and we were listening closely. Maybe we'll go back and listen again. I don't have a good understanding of how she sustained those wounds. From Joe Ryan, it didn't make sense that if somebody has a gun on you, you have a knife to his wife's neck, just kill her.
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Speaker 4: I'm just gonna keep stabbing. Don't you know someone has a gun on you?
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Speaker 2: It just doesn't make a whole lot of sense. He what did he say? He said that he told Brendan Banfield tally. According to Brendan Banfield, Joe Ryan told him to leave, and then at one point Joe Ryan said, hey.
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Speaker 1: Can I just leave?
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Speaker 3: That was also very damning.
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Speaker 1: I was.
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Speaker 3: I was so curious as to how he thought.
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Speaker 4: Look if he's if he's making this up, that's a weird thing to say, because if the guy asks Brendan to leave, Brendan's like, you're under arrest.
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Speaker 3: I believe he said.
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Speaker 4: He told him you're under arrest, has a gun on him, and then he says, can I leave? And when he says you're under arrest, he decides to stab Christine in front of him instead of dropping the knife putting his hands up. It doesn't because you know, a gun is no match or a knife, sorry, is no match for a gun.
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Speaker 1: He wasn't a hardened criminal or something.
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Speaker 3: He was just a guy looking to have some kinky sex. And so that to me doesn't make sense.
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Speaker 4: No one with a knife in their hand and a and a victim right there is going to take on somebody.
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Speaker 3: Who has a gun.
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Speaker 2: That's a tough one to get over, just as a human being. That's a just doesn't make sense. Could it happen? Have happened this way? Obviously, yes, but that one didn't make sense. But folks, the like we mentioned, they're in a lunch break. Now the prosecution is getting its go across examination. Now we were able to see just the beginning of it. It is going to pick back up after lunch, but stay here we'll tell you how explosive that thing has already gotten in just a few minutes and the few questions the prosecutors have been able to ask.
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Speaker 1: Brendan Manfield. Stay hear.
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Speaker 2: We continue here on Amy and TJ. One of the most critical days in the Old Pair affair double murder trial. Brendan Banfield, the defendant, is on the stand, testifying in his own defense. The ross examination is under way. Prosecutors are getting to ask him some questions. Wrote remind me when the questions about sex came up. Was that still with his attorney or that yeah, that was his attorney?
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Speaker 4: She kept objecting, Yes, it was very Yes, it was very disruptive once again, but his defense attorney was asking him about basically it was kind of explaining the affairs.
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Speaker 3: That he had a higher sex drive than his wife.
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Speaker 4: So they were talking about that, trying to explain basically perhaps why they were both having affairs and why maybe Christine had different interests than him and sexually, and that could have explained perhaps the scene he walked in. On the other thing, I thought was interesting that we didn't mention before the break, which I thought was just kind of a drop the mic moment the defense attorney was trying to find a way to end the testimony, the direct testimony with Brandon. He couldn't land his plane because the prosecutor kept interrupting. But eventually he did elicit this response in terms of what he was trying to ask Brandon, what you have done differently if you could go back into the room, And she kept objecting, saying relevance, relevance, But eventually he was able to get Brendan to say this line, I wish I shot him earlier, speaking of Joe Ryan, meaning if he had shot him earlier, he could have stopped him from continuing to stab Christine. Again, It's just a hard thing for me to imagine that Joe Ryan, with a gun on him, with someone who says police, who has a badge that may be exposed right there in his midsection, is going to choose to stab someone after the guns on him.
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Speaker 2: Again, It's possible, but that is one it's hard to get over if you're in that jury room. That one just is a difficult one to make sense of. And then you go to the evidence. What does the evidence show? Does the evidence is it consistent?
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Speaker 1: Robes?
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Speaker 2: Can you remember is it consistent, her wounds consistent. Will the story he just described.
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Speaker 4: It's hard to say, because you know if he tried, According to the prosecution, he tried to stage the scene.
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Speaker 3: He tried to.
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Speaker 4: Drip the blood on her from Joe Ryan's hand. But he did say this, I never touched Joe Ryan. He did testify to that today.
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Speaker 2: Never touched Joe Ryan, never touched the laptop, never touched the cell phone of Christine. He said on that day he didn't touch any of that stuff. Oh, Robes, this cross examination is going to be something. We'll let you know how the day is going to go. They're coming back from lunch here in just a little bit, and the prosecutor she only got a few questions in right before the lunch break. Don't know how long this will go now, Robes, because there was some thought that they could wrap up and jury could get the instructions today. But now the prosecutor says they have a rebuttal witness someone somewhere who heard something in Brendan Banfield's testimony yesterday.
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Speaker 1: Robes that said.
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Speaker 2: Nah, and called up and the prosecutor said, we didn't even know about this until yesterday.
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Speaker 3: Yes, So there is a surprise rebuttal witness.
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Speaker 4: She said, this person's name first off in court, and I think they were even getting it wrong. It was they were trying to figure out what it was, and I was hoping they were going to discuss who it was and give some sort of indication. And the defense attorney said, you know what, we'll do it when we have a private moment. We'll discuss because obviously the defense needs time to figure out how to then cross examine this rebuttal witness. But if the prosecution said, hey, we didn't know about it either. But it was because of Brendan Banfield's testimony that this person spoke up and said, I want to refute something that Brendan Banfield testified to that is going to be very interesting and certainly was a surprise to everyone this morning, including the defense.
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Speaker 2: Yes, so when the gross examination started, her first or her second question ended up in a sidebar with the attorneys with the questions what was it she was trying to get out of him. Oh yeah, She was saying, yeah, you're telling this story, and the first time you told it is today here in this courtroom. You had three years to talk to all these investigators. There was another legal this and that, and he said, yep, this is the first time. And he explained, my attorneys advised me not to talk to y'all and not to do this and not to do that.
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Speaker 4: Yes, he said, I told counsel. I told my attorneys that I would sit down with anyone and explain exactly what happened and tell my side of things, and I was advised by my attorneys not to do so. And look, that is fair by that, that is absolutely something. Look, we've known and talked to plenty of defense attorneys. That is the first thing a experienced defense attorney, criminal defense attorney will tell their client, do not speak. I know you want to I know you want to say it. I know you want to tell your side of things. You cannot, should not do not save it for trial.
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Speaker 3: That is what they tell their clients.
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Speaker 1: Innocent, they'll tell you to shut up.
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Speaker 3: And that's so hard.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's hard to do. So, folks, we will keep an eye on it. Please keep an eye on our feed. We will definitely be hopping back on to give an update about his testimony and the cross examination by prosecution. But for now, we appreciate you, as always spending some time and following along with us, But I am t J. Holmes On behalf of my dear Amy Robot. We will be talking to you all real soon