An Ex, a Baby and a First Date with Wallace Langham… (S6 E1 “To Market, To Market)

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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristen Davis, and I want to know, are you a Charlotte? Welcome back, everybody, to Are You a Charlotte? This is part two with Wally Langham, an incredible actor, actor extraordinaire of many, many, many things. And we are talking his episode that he was in, which was the beginning of the final season of Sex and the City, episode 601, called To Market, To Market. Okay, so I would love your perspective. I always love to have different perspectives on the storylines. And since you are a grown-up straight man, I can't wait to hear what you're going to say.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: Because I don't have many grown-up straight men that I get to talk to about this.

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Speaker 2: Oh, interesting. Okay.

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Speaker 1: So I would love, like, at this time in your life, when you came on our show, were you single? No. Okay. Got it. Got it.

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Speaker 2: I was, I was in a different marriage.

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Speaker 1: Got it.

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Speaker 2: Got it.

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Speaker 1: So did you worry, was your take on the show like, wow, that's out there? Or was it like, oh, that's so cool that these, you know, single something ladies get to have a show, whatever.

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Speaker 2: It's funny. I think I just accepted that world for what it was, you know what I mean? And, um, definitely understood the kind of camp aspect to it. And the funny thing was when I would watch these guys who were the straight guys going in to do the, the dates and things like that, I'm like, that would never happen.

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Speaker 1: You know, I just.

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Speaker 2: Had no reality on it. And I, you know, it's like, I'd been out of the dating pool since I was like 20.

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Speaker 1: So it's like, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't really, um, say one way or another. You know what I mean? Yes, I do.

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Speaker 1: I do.

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Speaker 2: But it's like for Samantha to have that apartment next to that gay bar next to, you know, and get the handcuffs and the whole thing. It's like, you know, it's kind of like, I think you're stretching the.

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Speaker 1: Reality a little bit. For sure. For sure. That particular one is interesting for sure. But I do remember down there because when they were converting the meatpacking district into like, you know, designer shops and condos or whatever, co-ops, et cetera, it was a, it was a weird, um, for a while, which I think you know, they took and then amped up a bit.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: In terms of like the motorcycle gang or whatever they, you know, in their, in their, in their strange outfits and whatnot. But I mean, I didn't think it was a huge stretch at the time because it was an area that I would, would never like, and you know, still you can go and they have the meat right. Hanging out there, you know, that's still happening, but just like one place that used to be like everywhere.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: You have to like weave your way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. It's like, it's like, you know, dudes are down there cutting up cows.

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Speaker 1: Cutting up cows.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 1: And at nighttime doing a different thing.

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Speaker 2: Oh, for sure.

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Speaker 1: For sure.

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Speaker 2: What I know about. Right. So I think I answered your question. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Totally.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I just want to get the lay of the land. Like, like where were you?

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Speaker 2: Oh no, I enjoyed the, I enjoyed the, the show because I didn't know New York. I grew up here in LA. I liked all the characters. They were funny. The, the, the, Some of the things were wacky, you know. And I knew Willie Garson a little bit.

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Speaker 1: God bless.

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Speaker 2: And so I love watching him work. And it was just, you know, that was always, it was just kind of a treat.

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Speaker 1: Did you know Willie because you'd worked with him or just from being around?

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Speaker 2: We were just, we were guys in the room together. So it's like, you know, if I would go on an audition. Yeah. Willie's here. Okay.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh my God.

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Speaker 2: Love it.

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Speaker 1: Love it. Love it.

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Speaker 2: Love it. So, and then, yeah, we, you know, so we would see each other and also I think just around LA.

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Speaker 1: Of course. Everyone knew it.

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Speaker 2: And also we're both fans of Elvis Costello. So.

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Speaker 1: Oh my God. So he was so close to Elvis. I know. Oh, how we talked about them all the time.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah. Every Elvis Costello show I went to, there's Willie.

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Speaker 1: I mean, yes. He was very committed and close to them and knew their children and whatnot. Really interesting. Willie knew so many interesting people. David Zasloff was at that party the other night, the HBO party, and we had a long talk about Willie.

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Speaker 2: They were close.

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Speaker 1: David Zasloff and Willie Garson were close.

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Speaker 2: That's lovely.

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Speaker 1: That's so sweet.

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Speaker 2: That is sweet.

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Speaker 1: I know, so sweet.

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Speaker 2: Well, he was just an easy guy to get around and hang out with.

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Speaker 1: He was so easy to talk to and funny and smart. Oh, yeah, real smart.

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Speaker 2: Oh, my God. Yeah, intimidatingly smart sometimes.

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Speaker 1: Exactly.

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Speaker 2: I just feel like, hmm, okay. I'm a little nervous.

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Speaker 1: Exactly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: No, he had like an interesting edge to him in regular life that I think people didn't necessarily always see in his characters, right? But he was like ahead of you.

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Speaker 2: I was just going to say, it's like he's got five steps ahead of you. Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 1: Which made it really, you had to be like on your toes with him.

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Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.

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Speaker 1: I love that about him. Okay, so Sarah Jessica, sorry, Carrie. You know, it's very hard to separate. It's very hard at this point. Well, because I know them so well, but now I've had to be rewatching, right? When I saw Michael Patrick, he said to me something about, you know, he said something like, I don't know if you know the life of the show with the young ladies. I was like, babe, I live it every day because I'm recapping. I do know. I do know. He's like, do you know? I'm like, I do. I really do. I really do.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the name of the show is Are You a Charlotte?

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Speaker 1: Exactly.

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Speaker 2: Come on.

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Speaker 1: He named it. Michael Patrick named it. Yes.

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Speaker 2: Which you'll have to explain to me. Oh, really? Yeah. What does it mean?

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Speaker 1: Oh my God. You're so adorable.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: So, you know, Buzzfeed.

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Speaker 2: I've heard of Buzzfeed.

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Speaker 1: Sure. Buzzfeed had this quiz. I think you can still find it.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: Where you would take a quiz to... With a number of questions. Okay. And then at the end of it, it would tell you which character you were.

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Speaker 2: Which character you were.

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Speaker 1: Yes.

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Speaker 2: I got it.

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Speaker 1: Which is a very common and prevalent thing that people do. So when people meet me, they usually volunteer. Like, I'm part Miranda, a little bit of Samantha, but I don't tell everyone that.

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Speaker 2: Got it.

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Speaker 1: And then some Carrie Rising or whatever. They have all interesting. Yes. I mean, it can be very elaborate.

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Speaker 2: It's worse than astrology. Astrology.

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Speaker 1: It's like astrology, yes. But then sometimes there'll be, we had Kristen Johnston on the other day and.

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Speaker 2: She was like- Oh, I just work with her.

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Speaker 1: You did? Yeah. Were you on Leigh-Anne?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was.

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Speaker 1: Oh, great.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she's fantastic.

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Speaker 1: I'm so happy for them. Yeah, me too.

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Speaker 2: I love all of them. Yeah, such great people.

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Speaker 1: It's really great.

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Speaker 2: So great.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. She, what's her character's name again? Oh my God. Lexi. Lexi. We just had Julie who played Bitsy. She's Lexi, right?

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Speaker 2: Who, Kristen Johnston? Yes.

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Speaker 1: Yes. I said, which one are you? And she was like, I'm Lexi. And I was like, of course you are. So, you know, you can be, there's many choices.

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Speaker 2: Oh, there are. Okay. Yes.

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Speaker 1: There's many choices. Yes.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 1: So that's what that's about.

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Speaker 2: Fantastic. Yes.

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Speaker 1: That's what that's about.

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Speaker 2: You're welcome. I'll have to take the quiz. Yes.

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Speaker 1: I mean, maybe we should pull it up right now and give it to you on the podcast. Do we have that kind of time? I don't know. Cause I do need to recap.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to get to the broad strokes of the Carrie situation. So Carrie has met this burger guy and the idea, I don't know if you know, Ron, do you know Ron? No. Oh, I would think he would also have been.

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Speaker 2: In the realm of Ron. I met him that day and I know his work. So yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, of course. And I think that the idea is, you know, that they're meeting in an intellectual realm, a witty realm, because they're both writers, which is very different than Big and Aiden, the other love interests, right? I don't know how much I need to.

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Speaker 2: Explain to you. Oh yes, John Corden.

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Speaker 1: Okay. Yes, for sure. For sure.

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Speaker 2: For sure.

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Speaker 1: So that's the idea, but it's very interesting to watch it go down, right? Because also he's kind of normal. He's like, An intellectual writer, but also he lives in like a regular hotel, I almost said. He lives in a regular apartment, right? Like we're getting to see these new characters.

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Speaker 2: Much like her.

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Speaker 1: Yes.

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Speaker 2: In a way.

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Speaker 1: Yes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. It is more like her. But probably not as famous as she is, obviously.

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Speaker 1: Well, but he says in this episode that he has a Pulitzer, which is also, you're like, whoa.

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Speaker 2: Oh, wow.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: But he's like, you know, she's like a guy version, like a serious version of a writer, you know? Yeah. But the idea is that they can have this kind of repartee and wordplay and banter and all the things. It's very interesting to watch it, to watch it go down. And it's so interesting because it's like, on the one hand, she's all excited and the girls are like, calm down, you know, whatever. But then it's also, it's hard. It's hard for me when I'm watching it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I don't expect you to have equal feelings. It's hard for me to fully invest in it, which I think is, I don't know if this is also like, I'm curious, our listeners, you know, who are big fans of the show, obviously, and people have a lot of feelings about Berger because he's going to eventually break up with her on a post-it. I don't know if you remember this.

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Speaker 2: I don't.

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Speaker 1: Okay. Wow. Wally, Wally.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: He breaks up with her on a Post-it.

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Speaker 2: Wow, ouch.

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Speaker 1: I know. Ouch, big time. Ouch, big time.

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Speaker 2: That's a tough one. It is.

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Speaker 1: It is.

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Speaker 2: This is before texting.

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Speaker 1: Exactly. It's the same. It's like what you had available to you at the time.

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Speaker 2: A pen and a Post-it. Right.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 2: Like a text would be. And as a writer, that seems fitting.

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Speaker 1: It's so true.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of unkind.

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Speaker 1: Very cold. Extremely cold.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But also the whole relationship is really interesting.

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Speaker 2: Okay. I'll take your word for it.

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Speaker 1: Challenging, yes. It's her obsessing about the outfits.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 1: And then going on your date, which then takes the pressure off her, which is wonderful. Okay, maybe we've talked about Carrie enough. That's good. Let's move on to Charlotte.

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Speaker 2: Now, okay, I'll sidebar if you want my perspective.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I do.

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Speaker 2: Okay. I certainly see that as a plausible quandary to be in for a woman going on a date. Her first date. Yeah. The perfect outfit. Oh, yeah. I totally get it. It's big. I totally get it.

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Speaker 1: Is there a guy version of this? Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I have my own guy version of it.

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Speaker 1: Tell us.

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Speaker 2: Luckily, I'm married, so I can just say, is this working? Or is it just like, well, change it. But yeah, it is. And I I don't know, maybe, uh, um, I always tend to overdress as a person. I mean, not today, obviously I'm, I'm just rolled in off the beach or something. Um, but, uh, um, but yes, I want to look appropriate. But having said that as a teenager, I did show up to a pool party in, um, Pink khaki pants. It was preppy days. Okay, okay.

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Speaker 1: So just bear with me. I was alive during preppy days.

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Speaker 2: Okay. Yes. This is the 80s. Pink pants, red slip-on dock sider shoes.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: A yellow shirt. Oh, yeah. With an Argyle sweater vest.

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Speaker 1: Oh, my.

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Speaker 2: And a bow tie.

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Speaker 1: Wow. How did that go?

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Speaker 2: Terribly. I think the girls, this was some friends, I don't even know if they're friends, but they were, yeah, people that, girls that I knew in Beverly Hills. And I'd been invited over to their house. And so I thought, well, I'm going to look like I belong in Beverly Hills. And so I was a moron because, you know, the dudes at the party come up to me and they surround me, about three of them are like, Hey man, can we push you in the pool? And I was like, uh, I prefer that you don't. Wow. All right.

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Speaker 1: Well, you're just an actor waiting to happen. You're just like, it's all the pieces are there. Yes, I get it. You were going to dress appropriately for the scene you thought was going to unfold.

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Speaker 2: Exactly. But what I liked about Carrie's choice, even for the simudate, great outfit totally and a fendi bag yes you know and the shoes no yeah she she put it together.

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Speaker 1: Of course she did and she always overdresses also so you should relate to that but she's like why why not dress how you want to dress you know sure yeah i i struggle with all of that in real life because i'm just trying to be as casual as i can be to move through my day quickly and be comfortable right But then I really disappoint people when they do see me. Well, I think they're sad that I'm not dressed better. You know, I do. I do see the sadness.

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Speaker 2: You mean like the general public or people you know?

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Speaker 1: People who might recognize me.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I see what you mean.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying?

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Speaker 2: Yes. Yes.

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Speaker 1: Oh, the people I know don't care for sure.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 1: They know. They know. They understand. But the fans, fans, you know, they look sad.

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Speaker 2: I understood.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I get it.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to live up to.

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Speaker 2: It's a hard cross to bear.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a fine cross to bear. The sad thing is that, like, all of Charlotte's, not all, but a lot of Charlotte's clothes are at my house. But I just can't, like, put them on because you can't. It's weird. Do you know what I mean? It's weird.

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Speaker 2: So you have a lot of Charlotte's clothes.

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Speaker 1: I do, yeah. And shoes.

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Speaker 2: And if you were to, like, leave the house dressed as Charlotte. Mm-hmm. Would that feel weird? It would.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it might not feel weird because I feel very comfortable in her clothes, right? Because I have played her for 18 million years, right? Yep. But it's a more structured, you know, it's not how I want to live every day, right? She dresses very structured. But also people just recognize me. That'd be strange. Like, why? why walk around to Charlotte would be very strange.

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Speaker 2: Or you get the super fan who's like, Oh, you're wearing that outfit from season four.

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Speaker 1: No joke, Wally. No joke. Like, like sometimes I'll be like, I don't know what I'm wearing and everyone's on. Oh, you're wearing. I'm like, thank you. Thank you everyone for paying so much attention. It's impressive. And a lot of times I don't know stuff like rewatching it. I'm blown away by things I forgot about. People are on the Instagram. Like, Oh man, sorry, Carrie has a whole relationship with McDonald's. I'm like, oh, I'm really sorry. I didn't realize. Like apparently Carrie has a whole relationship with McDonald's.

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Speaker 2: The fast food restaurant.

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Speaker 1: Yes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I've got to get to the bottom of this too. Like, I don't know if it was like product placement on HBO, which doesn't really make sense.

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Speaker 2: Right. I don't see that.

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Speaker 1: I don't see that either.

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Speaker 2: I think it's probably, I'm just going to throw it out there because I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: That it's the kind of lowbrow, Guilty pleasure for Carrie Bradshaw.

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Speaker 1: I think you're 100% right. There we go. And because they were also there, right? I mean, she also loves, like, Grey's Hot Dogs and all the New York things. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying, right? But the McDonald's are also there.

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Speaker 2: They're everywhere. So it's easy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, right. All right, let's talk about Charlotte for a second.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: So this is when— Who plays Charlotte?

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Some girl with brown hair. I know she's a brunette. There's hardly any of them in our industry.

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Speaker 2: Not ringing a bell.

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Speaker 1: Everyone slowly turns into blondes. But yes, she looks familiar. I don't know. She, Charlotte, is considering converting over to Judaism.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 1: Because of Harry.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 1: Because he told her at the end of season five that he couldn't marry her because she wasn't a Jew.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: And she seems quite surprised by this news. So now, kabam, 601. She's on the road to converting already. She's in her classes, right? This is the classes. No, she's not in her classes. She's just thinking about it.

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Speaker 2: Yes. And there's talk about his mother being dead.

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Speaker 1: Oh, yes. She would have loved her. Yes, I'm so happy that she's not alive. Yes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And also, you know, you're looking at it and you're really considering it.

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Speaker 1: Right. But is this where I'm having sex with him and I get him to say that it's not that important?

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Speaker 2: Yes. Wow.

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Speaker 1: That really shocked me. I do not remember that. I was like, wow. You know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Wow. Yeah, and I think he felt it was a subtle form of manipulation.

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Speaker 1: I guess he did. It would have totally worked with the last husband, Kyle's character. That's the kind of thing that went on. So I guess she's trying to think she learned from Bunny, his mother, right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But it doesn't work out because then in the morning he's like, no. Mm-mm-mm.

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Speaker 2: Poor Charlotte.

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Speaker 1: Poor Charlotte. No, poor Charlotte. Mm-mm-mm. So it's interesting, but I do really love Evan. Evan coming on, I feel like it's just a breath of fresh air. It's like, he's so different.

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Speaker 2: He's adorable.

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Speaker 1: Yes. So when Carrie's out and she, she sees, she's still planning her, her date outfit and this and that and the time and, He's left a voice message that they also like, you know, break down. Like that is the perfect voice message on her answering machine. I mean, the amount of thought and whatever is it's adorable, but I was like, Oh God, I don't miss those days at all. Like, Being in your, you know, dating days or whatever, thinking about what inflection they gave to whatever.

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Speaker 2: Right, everything means something. Well, now you're trying to interpret all that through text.

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Speaker 1: It's true, which is a lot harder. You're right.

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Speaker 2: It's so much harder.

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Speaker 1: You're right, you're right, you're right, you're right. I also, I don't care anymore, right? That's really what I'm saying. You know what I mean? So like, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Did you guys get that? She doesn't care anymore.

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Speaker 1: I think they know. I think they know. I'm talking about dating. They already know. They already know.

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Speaker 2: We've discussed it.

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Speaker 1: We've discussed it.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 1: But I think it's interesting because it, it did remind me of just the detail, you know, that you're trying to parse each detail like down to like the true meaning, but it's just so much pressure and you don't really know until you get there. You know what I'm saying?

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Speaker 2: Well, I liken it to being worried about the test in sixth grade to such an extent. And then when you actually take the test, you know all the answers and everything's cool. And you're like, why was I worrying so much?

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Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely. It's exactly like that.

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Speaker 2: But interesting that she, I think she sees Berger. And then, and she's not dressed to see Berger. Right, right. And she's running around like, I got to get out of here.

00:17:39
Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: And then, that's my terrible Carrie Bradshaw. No, it was cute. It was cute.

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Speaker 1: She skitters away. I like the hand gestures.

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Speaker 2: Do it again. Yeah, I don't have the heels for it. I'm not, you know, the hair's not up. Yes, yes. Anyway. and as she's going down the street, she sees Aiden from behind.

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Speaker 1: I know, he turns around in slow-mo.

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Speaker 2: Come on, what a reveal.

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Speaker 1: Insane. And what is strapped to that tall man's chest?

00:18:03
Speaker 2: A little Aiden.

00:18:03
Speaker 1: But a baby. It is adorable.

00:18:06
Speaker 2: I know, it's cute.

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Speaker 1: But it's weird. It's really weird. I felt Carrie's like, it was awkward. It was really awkward.

00:18:12
Speaker 2: And, you know, Sarah, of course, being Sarah, played it so beautifully. It was, it like all kind of like all the puzzle pieces kind of clicked together of like, oh, that part of my life is over. This is the new reality. I'm happy for him. I'm going to get on with my life.

00:18:31
Speaker 1: Definitely. And also, it's so interesting because we– I don't know if you know, but we do do another show where Aiden does come back, right? I understand. Right, right, right.

00:18:42
Speaker 2: I get it.

00:18:42
Speaker 1: Right, but I think that's what's so interesting about looking back, too, because they're just writing. They don't know what's going to happen in the future either, right?

00:18:49
Speaker 2: Right.

00:18:49
Speaker 1: And also, we run into him in Morocco slash Abu Dhabi in the movie. Like, so many things happen with Aiden, right?

00:18:55
Speaker 2: Yeah.

00:18:55
Speaker 1: But I love the finality of it, right? Because he says, oh, we should get together. Oh, let me get my wife. And she's like, no, that's okay. Okay. And he's like, we should get together. And then she walks off in the voiceover, something like, we all know some things aren't going to happen.

00:19:05
Speaker 2: Exactly.

00:19:06
Speaker 1: Right?

00:19:06
Speaker 2: You say you're going to have a date, but it's never going to happen. Right.

00:19:08
Speaker 1: Because that is the past, which I love so much. But then it's also not the past. Because we've got a lot more Aiden coming, people. Well... It's interesting.

00:19:18
Speaker 2: But we don't know that at this point.

00:19:20
Speaker 1: I know, but that's just how life is, you know?

00:19:22
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know.

00:19:23
Speaker 1: Like you don't know.

00:19:24
Speaker 2: You really don't know.

00:19:25
Speaker 1: It's super fascinating.

00:19:27
Speaker 2: And especially with a city like New York where you have to walk places and interact with people. I'm probably going to run into an ex.

00:19:34
Speaker 1: Absolutely. That's why I thought it was so really totally believable.

00:19:37
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.

00:19:38
Speaker 1: Like I think you'd probably run into more exes. You know what I mean?

00:19:41
Speaker 2: Yeah.

00:19:41
Speaker 1: But it was also so great the way he, cause he's so big and he looks so handsome and then he's turning real slow-mo and then the baby's head is like, oh my God. Yeah. I mean, it was really good. I'd fully forgotten about it. So I was also like, oh my God. And then I was like, wait, is his wife going to walk out? Because in, in, and just like that, his wife is played by Rosemary DeWitt, who's married to Ron Livingston.

00:20:02
Speaker 2: Is that right?

00:20:02
Speaker 1: In life. Yes. Crazy. But she didn't walk out because I don't think it would have been her because I don't think she played it back then. but I don't know if we ever see the woman back then.

00:20:10
Speaker 2: Right.

00:20:11
Speaker 1: We didn't in this episode, but I don't know if there's other episodes where we do or don't or whatever. I don't honestly know.

00:20:16
Speaker 2: Right. Obviously. Cause I'm rewatching one episode.

00:20:19
Speaker 1: Thank God. Thank God.

00:20:20
Speaker 2: Thank God.

00:20:21
Speaker 1: But I thought it was so good. And I also thought that like for Carrie in that moment, that is real growth.

00:20:27
Speaker 2: I think so too.

00:20:28
Speaker 1: Yes. That's what I got from it.

00:20:30
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. And it freed her in a way to, Get on the pay phone.

00:20:35
Speaker 1: Yeah.

00:20:36
Speaker 2: And call a little burger.

00:20:37
Speaker 1: And just have a casual date in whatever outfit she might be wearing.

00:20:40
Speaker 2: Which was adorable.

00:20:41
Speaker 1: Yes. It's always adorable. She doesn't need to wear all the craziness that she wears. You know what I mean? Of course, it's a different show if that's not the case. But this was growth for Carrie, right? That she lets go of some of her kind of. More dramatic elements of, you know, I have to be this way. I have to do this. I have to look a certain way to go on a date, whatever.

00:21:02
Speaker 2: It's fascinating that we put all these parameters onto ourselves. Yeah. Try to be the perfect thing. And what I've found in the amount of dating I've done in my life is that there is the presentation part that everybody gets at the beginning of a relationship. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. and then the reality of the people in the relationship. And then after that, um, you know, that excitement happens and it's like, then you have these two people who are made to have made a decision to be in each other's lives. Then the beauty I think starts to happen as opposed to just all the worrying. And is he going to call her? Am I going to call her? You know, she going to call and, you know, it's like, um, And then, yeah, that's when the relationship, I think, begins. Like, really?

00:21:56
Speaker 1: 100%. I think now, you know, it's harder because everyone is so on their phones and dating apps and whatever. Insanity, right? So sometimes it seems, from what people tell me, I have not done that myself, but that they don't get to that next stage, you know, because there's so much kind of distraction.

00:22:13
Speaker 2: That's interesting you say that. And maybe I'm presenting an antiquated perspective. No, no.

00:22:18
Speaker 1: I think it's a real.

00:22:20
Speaker 2: Because I think the proliferation of people being able to just go on date after date after date after date after date, this is purely my opinion, but I don't think you ever get to have real connection.

00:22:33
Speaker 1: I think this is what's happening. This is what people are telling me what's happening. And I think for some people, maybe that's what they actually want. I think maybe they're afraid of real connection.

00:22:41
Speaker 2: I think that's true.

00:22:42
Speaker 1: Some of the young people that I know, I feel this way. But then I also feel at a certain point, I'm hoping that they're going to go through whatever they're going through and maybe shift gears, you know, to get to the real stuff. Because the real stuff is the best part anyway, right? All right, let's go to Miranda. Miranda, this is interesting. So this is when Miranda admits that she's in love with Steve. Right. Which back in the last season, she was like, no, no, you know, I'm just, I'm a single mother. I'm a single mother. And, you know, he can come and pick the baby up or whatever. And now she's, you know, in love with him. She took a stand. Right, exactly. And now she's in love with him. And then she gets all excited. She's going to tell him at this lovely dinner in this dark restaurant that And then he's like, but this is funny. I think what's funny in that scene is that she says to him, I wanted to tell you why I, you know, pushed you out of the house or whatever. And he goes, no, no, no. I know. And she goes, you know, and she thinks he's going to say, I know that you're in love with me. Right. Because he does really know her well.

00:23:45
Speaker 2: Right.

00:23:45
Speaker 1: So he goes, you think I'm getting too close, which is kind of true.

00:23:49
Speaker 2: That was true.

00:23:50
Speaker 1: Right. Yeah.

00:23:50
Speaker 2: I bought that. Yeah.

00:23:51
Speaker 1: And then he goes, but no, don't, you don't have to worry because I'm dating someone new. So of course it's, it's kind of true, but it's not all of the situation, which I thought was so interesting. Cause that is also how it is when you know people, you know, you kind of know enough to be on the right track, but you might not have the whole picture.

00:24:09
Speaker 2: A thousand percent. And I think it was a real left turn that Miranda could never see coming.

00:24:15
Speaker 1: Absolutely.

00:24:15
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

00:24:16
Speaker 1: Yeah.

00:24:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, it almost looked like it was going in her way. Yeah.

00:24:21
Speaker 1: In her fortune, yeah. Yeah, but we know it's going to work out. But right now, not.

00:24:26
Speaker 2: We don't know.

00:24:26
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay.

00:24:28
Speaker 2: At that point, it's 601.

00:24:30
Speaker 1: It's true.

00:24:30
Speaker 2: We don't know.

00:24:31
Speaker 1: It's true. It's pretty true.

00:24:33
Speaker 2: Yeah.

00:24:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I know the broad strokes, but I don't remember how we get there.

00:24:38
Speaker 2: So you know more than anybody.

00:24:40
Speaker 1: In some ways. In some ways, no. In some ways, no.

00:24:42
Speaker 2: No.

00:24:54
Speaker 1: Oh, and then Samantha has this incredibly good-looking stockbroker dude. Oh, my God. I mean, that guy, good Lord. Who is he? Where is he? I don't know.

00:25:04
Speaker 2: Not a carb in sight for that guy.

00:25:05
Speaker 1: Not a carb in sight.

00:25:07
Speaker 2: It's crazy.

00:25:08
Speaker 1: Good Lord.

00:25:09
Speaker 2: It's bananas.

00:25:10
Speaker 1: I know.

00:25:10
Speaker 2: I don't even think he eats bananas.

00:25:11
Speaker 1: No, I agree. But also, I was really curious, like, if you did have the situation where this guy was who you really don't know, right? She just knows in general that he's a stockbroker. And then he gives you some information. Like, did she go act on that information? I was like, run to the phone and buy some stock.

00:25:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, real quick.

00:25:28
Speaker 1: Samantha, do it. Like, do it right now. But I don't think she did. I mean, we don't know. They don't tell us.

00:25:34
Speaker 2: Well, we don't know.

00:25:35
Speaker 1: Darn it.

00:25:36
Speaker 2: Because we're so focused on her and him getting naked.

00:25:39
Speaker 1: Totally, totally, totally, totally, totally. Which is very pretty. It's very, very pretty. And I was so sad that they come and the FBI ruins it, you know. And they're very nice. They're very nice. They're like, could you take off your handcuffs so we could use ours? They're very friendly.

00:25:53
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

00:25:54
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know.

00:25:56
Speaker 2: Um, I'm sure it's not the first felon she's fallen for.

00:26:00
Speaker 1: I mean, who fallen for? Oh, she didn't fall for anybody, Wally.

00:26:04
Speaker 2: No, she doesn't. Sorry.

00:26:07
Speaker 1: It was fun to watch.

00:26:08
Speaker 2: Used for sex. Totally.

00:26:09
Speaker 1: Totally.

00:26:10
Speaker 2: Thrown away.

00:26:11
Speaker 1: Yes.

00:26:11
Speaker 2: That's what she wants to do.

00:26:12
Speaker 1: That's what she wants to do. I mean, I don't even know thrown away. I don't think they want to be, who knows? It's a, it's a, mutually consented upon situation.

00:26:20
Speaker 2: Of course it is. Of course it is. I just think, I think she's breaking hearts. That's all I'm saying.

00:26:24
Speaker 1: You think she is?

00:26:25
Speaker 2: Absolutely.

00:26:26
Speaker 1: You think they're sad?

00:26:27
Speaker 2: The dudes?

00:26:28
Speaker 1: Yeah.

00:26:29
Speaker 2: Of course they would be.

00:26:30
Speaker 1: Got it.

00:26:30
Speaker 2: Yeah.

00:26:31
Speaker 1: That's helpful.

00:26:31
Speaker 2: Yeah.

00:26:32
Speaker 1: I never thought about that.

00:26:33
Speaker 2: I mean.

00:26:34
Speaker 1: Because it's kind of played like, I mean, the freedom of Samantha is obviously incredible, right? And so much fun to watch as a woman because you're just like, wow, we could be like this. Oh my God. Right.

00:26:46
Speaker 2: Right.

00:26:46
Speaker 1: Like the guys, like the guys who are, you know, womanizers or whatever. Totally. Right. And so, and it's kind of like, she's their equal, you know, in terms of that.

00:26:55
Speaker 2: Right.

00:26:55
Speaker 1: You never think about that.

00:26:56
Speaker 2: They might be sad, but sure.

00:26:58
Speaker 1: Maybe they are sad.

00:26:59
Speaker 2: I think maybe, I think she's, come on.

00:27:02
Speaker 1: I guess I hadn't thought about it. I hadn't thought about it. Soon, Smith Jared's coming. And I know I had to watch the other episode, right? So, like, it's funny because he seems like her equal, too, except he's much younger. But in terms of, like, the play of it all, but he's not. He's got deep feelings.

00:27:20
Speaker 2: See?

00:27:20
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:27:21
Speaker 2: So I'm not far off.

00:27:22
Speaker 1: No, you're not. You're not. But he's younger. So I feel like he just hasn't, like, the ones who are her peers, you feel like, well, they're already, like, committed to being this way. You know what I mean?

00:27:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.

00:27:33
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm wrong, though. We never asked them.

00:27:34
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm just projecting. No, no. Maybe she broke my heart. Oh, wow.

00:27:38
Speaker 1: Maybe.

00:27:39
Speaker 2: Maybe.

00:27:40
Speaker 1: Maybe.

00:27:40
Speaker 2: I gotta think about that.

00:27:41
Speaker 1: All right, so let me tell you that I have this thing that I do at the end, which I really, I know that it's not fair that I haven't given you the BuzzFeed test.

00:27:49
Speaker 2: Okay.

00:27:50
Speaker 1: I usually ask people, are you a Charlotte?

00:27:54
Speaker 2: I don't know.

00:27:57
Speaker 1: Okay, let me ask you a few questions. They're not the BuzzFeed questions. These are my questions.

00:28:00
Speaker 2: Okay, go ahead.

00:28:01
Speaker 1: Do you believe in love?

00:28:02
Speaker 2: Yes.

00:28:02
Speaker 1: Okay, great. Do you like white flowers?

00:28:06
Speaker 2: Yes. Okay.

00:28:08
Speaker 1: Are you a good friend?

00:28:10
Speaker 2: Ooh, okay.

00:28:11
Speaker 1: Are you like a cheerleader for your friends and family?

00:28:13
Speaker 2: Yes, I am. Oh, see?

00:28:15
Speaker 1: Well, you're a Charlotte, babe.

00:28:16
Speaker 2: I'm a Charlotte.

00:28:17
Speaker 1: Oh, my God. I love it so much.

00:28:20
Speaker 2: So it's a resounding yes. Yay.

00:28:24
Speaker 1: Especially if I can get a straight guy to be a Charlotte. I'm super excited. Yay. Thank you so much for coming.

00:28:31
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.

00:28:31
Speaker 1: It was really, really fun.

00:28:33
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was fun.