Oct. 23, 2026
After Eerie 9-1-1 Call, Police Find Ohio Grandparents And 22-Month-Old Toddler Shot And Killed In Home
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RSS Feed Ohio officials say it took them more than two hours to find the person who called 9-1-1, then hung up, around 4 am on Wednesday morning. Dispatchers called back several times, and finally got a one word response: “help.” But by the time police tracked down the location of the phone, they were too late, discovering the bodies of grandparents 67-year-old Gale Sanders and 51-year-old Melissa Campbell along with their grandson, 22-month-old Kozzar Lotut. They had all been shot dead, and police believe it was at the hands of one of the grandparents. This latest tragedy comes in a year that has seen a dramatic uptick in familicides, and a recent string of headlines involving accused elderly murderers.
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00:00:02
Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Friday, October 23rd, and we simply cannot believe we are telling another one of these stories. It's happened again, and it's happened in Ohio, that a family member is accused of wiping out members of their family, including a 22-month-old. And with that, welcome to this episode of of Amy and TJ Robes. This is, um, we've covered so many of these, these, this is a little different, not because necessarily of the age of the child, but the age of the possible shooter in this case.
00:00:39
Speaker 2: We actually have two reasons why this story is extra upsetting because we have seen a rise in And we'll get into the numbers. Infamilicides this year, we've been talking about it. We've been doing episodes on it. But recently we've seen a string of older, you would even describe them as elderly people committing murder or at least being accused of committing murder. And you put both of those together and that's what you have, police believe, happen in Ohio this week. So we know that three people are dead. 67-year-old Gail Sanders died. 51-year-old Melissa Campbell and 22-month-old Kozar Lodit. Now, this is what police have been able to put together, and we'll get into the details because this also involves a very eerie story. 911 call, but they said that 67 year old Gail and 51 year old Melissa were the grandparents of the 22 month old toddler. And police are describing this as a murder suicide. They say they do not believe that the community at large. is in trouble because obviously this is an unbelievably disturbing scene to walk in on in this small town. It's called Nadenhutton, Ohio. It's 60 miles south of Akron. I mean, this is a small rural community, and this has shaken the folks here because it all began with a 911 call.
00:02:11
Speaker 1: Okay, this is.
00:02:12
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:02:13
Speaker 1: I always, in many of these cases, unfortunately, we've seen a lot in which children... are killed. I mean, the ages have ranged, babe, but five to 15, a little older sometimes and sometimes a little younger. I just always fascinated how somebody could rip apart a 22 month old body with a bullet or with a knife. These are just tiny. I don't know.
00:02:39
Speaker 2: Tiny little toddler, not even two years old yet.
00:02:41
Speaker 1: So a 22 month old for a grandparent to be a, what possesses you, you have to lift point and pull a trigger. At a child that's 22 months old, I will never understand this.
00:02:54
Speaker 2: Not just any child. Obviously, any child. Your blood. That would be a horrific, awful, gut-churning idea just to think about being in that position. But then to think it's your own flesh and blood, that is beyond comprehension. Yeah. It happened, 911 dispatchers received a hang-up call at 4.15 a.m. in the morning. So we're talking, yes, in the middle of the night this week. So it's a hangup and it was so quick that they could not get a location. You know, oftentimes they're able to figure out where the call's coming from. It was so quick, they couldn't do it. So then they start trying to call back and call back several times. One of the calls back and I listened to it. You can hear a voice clearly, softly, like you could tell this is a voice of someone who was in extreme physical distress say, help. And That, I mean, if you listen to it, I couldn't, honestly, I couldn't tell if it was a man or a woman. It was just this guttural help. And so that then began this trace. They were trying to figure out, and again, that was quick, and then hung up. They tried to trace the call back to the cell phone owner. Turns out the cell phone owner had nothing to do with this family. He said that he loaned it to an associate. And it was so confusing and I still don't understand where this phone, how this phone got into the possession of one of the grandparents, but it took them, they said two hours. And that's so sad because we don't know if someone was still alive, could have been helped, could have been saved, could have explained what actually went on in that home. But eventually they were able to trace it back to a home. Then they're like, how do we get in? This is another strange twist. Police find a family member, they say, on the location who opened the door and let them in. Turns out the great-grandmother, I guess they outfitted their garage in this house for her to have a great-grandmother.
00:05:03
Speaker 1: Great-grandma's in the garage.
00:05:04
Speaker 2: Great-grandma is in the garage.
00:05:05
Speaker 1: No idea what's going on in the house.
00:05:07
Speaker 2: No clue. Didn't wake up. Didn't know that there were shots. Didn't know that a gun had gone off. Nothing. But she opens the door for the police, and they're all shocked to find these three bodies inside. And the way police describe it, a firearm was recovered next to one of the deceased. They did not specify who shot whom, who committed suicide or who died by suicide. But we know that one of them shot the others and then pulled the trigger on themselves.
00:05:39
Speaker 1: How did they figure that out?
00:05:41
Speaker 2: They said the gun was right near the hand of one of the deceased.
00:05:44
Speaker 1: Well, I guess you have to. I don't know. If it's a gun in the house, maybe both of their fingerprints are on it. They should be able to, you know what, there'll be gunpowder residue on somebody's hand.
00:05:51
Speaker 2: They'll have to figure that out because obviously the concern would be, you could obviously stage a murder scene to make it look like a murder-suicide, but what would be the reasoning behind it? Why would you kill an elderly couple? And look, the younger woman, she's not even elderly. She's 51 years old. She's younger than me, so I wouldn't necessarily putâ but he was 67, which also isn't that old. So look, this is confusing. There's no history of domestic violence here. No police calls to this home, so there was no issues.
00:06:21
Speaker 1: Where's mama, by the way?
00:06:22
Speaker 2: That's what I haven't been able to find out. I have looked and scoured from what we understand, because the great-grandma's there, grandma and grandpa are there, and then toddler is there. They say the grandparents cared for the toddler who had medical disabilities.
00:06:36
Speaker 1: Do we know if that is the kid's home?
00:06:39
Speaker 2: We don't know yet. And so here, the sheriff's department put it like this. There are many people to interview and much to do with evidence from the scene. But he said, we feel strongly that the community is in no danger. And that was the big concern because, you know, this is not an area where you have murders and you have violence and police are called out to scenes. And so this was something that was shocking. And to your point, the idea that a child who is not even two years old yet, was shot. That is just an unthinkable act of violence. Why?
00:07:23
Speaker 1: What fight could you get into with your spouse that carries over to you need to kill the kid? I don't understand these, baby. There is nothing. You have to be a crazy person. That's the only way you can explain. There is no, there's nothing that could trigger you. I shouldn't even say justifiable. You can't get mad enough. To point a gun at a 22-month-old?
00:07:48
Speaker 2: No.
00:07:48
Speaker 1: Your grandkid?
00:07:49
Speaker 2: No. And think about the time of day this happened. So if the call comes in at 4 o'clock in the morning, this would imply to me, and this is what we have seen in many of these familicides, I don't want to rush to judgment that it's the grandpa. Yeah, well. That is, you know, we won't judge, but that has been the vast majority of these familicides have been at the hands of, they oftentimes are older white men who have issues with shame or dealing with any sort of, any sort of financial or familial problem. They just, this is how Certain individuals take care of it, and they have done studies on who commits these types of violent acts, and it overwhelmingly is often the head of the household, the male head of the household.
00:08:39
Speaker 1: But anyâ is thereâ I mean, we've seen somewhere a guy just lost a job a week prior, or this guy was asked to move out of the house and something. there's no triggering event that's come up yet.
00:08:50
Speaker 2: They know of nothing that would have caused this or sparked this. But if you look at, this has often happened in the middle of the night. We have seen a lot of the victims are in their beds and we don't know where the placement of the victims were, but they wait, they lie in wait until everyone's sleeping. Therefore, no one's going to react or fight back. And not as if a 22 month old would fight back. And certainly The 51-year-old mom, I've seen the pictures or the grandma, I've seen the pictures online. You just can't get your head around how or why this could happen. But if it happened in the middle of the night, this oftentimes is premeditated where they wait until people are sleeping and then they won't have any issues with any violence or any sort of fight that would ensue beforehand. So That's what's so puzzling. It's not like who's up at four o'clock in the morning in a fight. I mean, I guess it could happen. It could happen.
00:09:41
Speaker 1: But that suggests only by history here, Robes, of cases that we know that it possibly is a woman. That's a hallmark sometimes of some of these cases is that the woman needs the guy to be asleep, needs to be in the Patrick Clancy case, out of the house.
00:09:59
Speaker 2: That's true.
00:10:00
Speaker 1: Man needs to be out of the way oftentimes for the woman to be able. So obviously the police are figuring this out, but the hallmarks and things that go in line as they try to figure it out. And again, you said they could have been up at four in the morning fighting. Who knows what was going on with the kid at four in the morning? What was the kid doing at four in the morning?
00:10:16
Speaker 2: Let's hope sleeping and had no idea this was coming. But police say there is going to be a lot more information coming as they continue their investigation into this horrific tragedy. But when we come back, we're going to talk about this major uptick in familicides this year and in elderly homicides. Welcome back, everyone, to Amy and TJ. Yes, another familicide in Ohio. This one happened this week, and this one is distinctive in that we're talking about grandparents. and a 22-month-old grandchild. Police haven't exactly figured out, or at least they have not revealed who the shooter was in this, but they do believe we are looking at another case of a murder-suicide where someone in the home decides to kill all of their family members without explanation, without any warning signs, without anything at least initially that points to a why. this would happen. And we've been talking about this since the summer. The Washington Post did an article saying that the attack in which someone kills their relatives, four or more of their relatives, has risen this year from a 20-year low. There were more incidents in the first half of 2026 of this type of attack than in all of last year. So in the first six months of this year, we had more familicides than we did in all of last year. What is going on?
00:11:52
Speaker 1: And again, I'm surprised we had that many last year because you and I have covered so many this year. And we had a, what, three, four-month stretch where we literally at least had one a month. There were several. There were weeks where we had more than one.
00:12:08
Speaker 2: There was a week in June where there were three. Three incidents of men, of fathers killing and taking out relatives, like large numbers of relatives in one week. We don't know. The Washington Post said from 2017 to 2025, more than 3,000 people died in familicides. And now family killings account for 21% of all homicides. 21% of all homicides are family killings. That is such a disturbing trend.
00:12:42
Speaker 1: Do you know if that number includes any family killing, like a A spouse can kill a spouse. Does that include all those?
00:12:48
Speaker 2: Yes, it's family, 21% of all homicides. And that's up, by the way, from 15% in 2020. So in six years, we've gone up 6%. I mean, 6%, that's a huge number.
00:13:01
Speaker 1: One out of every people, five people, is that right?
00:13:03
Speaker 2: Yes.
00:13:03
Speaker 1: Killed in the U.S. or killed by a family member? Yes. Damn.
00:13:06
Speaker 2: That is so disturbing. And then the elderly homicide... Let's just talk about this week. Just yesterday, we did a story on 76-year-old Grace Edge, who shot and killed her ex-husband and his girlfriend. We had the couple in San Francisco a few weeks prior shooting and killing their son-in-law, and they were 77 years old. We talked about this. Less than 0.5% of murders are 75. Murderers are 75 or older, and only 5.5% of murderers are 65 or older. So if this grandpa who was 67 he falls in line with this very small number of older people choosing to kill and in these cases members of their family or former members of their family seeing.
00:13:57
Speaker 1: That yes this is a story it's making headlines please know this is so extremely it's it's an anomaly it's a Rob, this just does not happen. So you pay attention when it does. We just don't have people this old killing folks.
00:14:11
Speaker 2: Yes, this is the third time in a matter of just a couple of weeks where we have had high-profile murders. Or at least we should say those elderly folks are being accused of murder. They haven't been convicted. But this has just been too many headlines not to make or at least draw some through line between them with elderly homicides and familicides now converging. it seems, in the past couple of weeks. And this is just unfortunately another tragic example. We need to pay attention. We need people to know where to get help if they have a mental health crisis, because this should not be happening in the numbers it's been happening this year or frankly, any year.
00:14:53
Speaker 1: It's almost predictable. We could sit here and All right, Rob, see if we get through the next two weeks.
00:14:58
Speaker 2: It's like it's contagious.
00:15:00
Speaker 1: We're going to get through the next month. Again, that was the thing that Minnie said about school shootings. It puts it in people's minds. I wonder if it is. Maybe this is flukish. Maybe it's a stressful time.
00:15:12
Speaker 2: Who knows?
00:15:13
Speaker 1: But if it doesn't slow down by the end of the year, we are losing more people to family violence than we are to school shootings in this country.
00:15:20
Speaker 2: We need to pay attention?
00:15:22
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:15:23
Speaker 2: Yeah. And we need to talk about it. This needs to be something that people talk about. This can't be something that's just brushed under. You know, oftentimes police do because they say, oh, well, it's wrapped up. There's no threat to the community. So no one else needs to be bothered by this. No one else needs to care about this. And fine until it's your family and something happens to people you love. And then it matters.
00:15:45
Speaker 1: A lack of resources, investigative resources. Well, that crime is done. There's no killer to find. We know who did it. We're busy trying to find this active killer who's running around out there. That I can kind of understand. That might be a part of the problem, baby.
00:16:03
Speaker 2: That's why it getsâ I believe that is why it gets brushed under the rug because there is no trial. There is no court date. There is no follow-up. It's one and done. The headlines are the headlines and then everyone forgets and moves on. But this keeps happening and we need to remember what's happening and we need to figure out why it's happening. And with that, everyone, we always appreciate you listening to us. I'm Amy Robach alongside TJ Holmes. We'll talk soon.
Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Friday, October 23rd, and we simply cannot believe we are telling another one of these stories. It's happened again, and it's happened in Ohio, that a family member is accused of wiping out members of their family, including a 22-month-old. And with that, welcome to this episode of of Amy and TJ Robes. This is, um, we've covered so many of these, these, this is a little different, not because necessarily of the age of the child, but the age of the possible shooter in this case.
00:00:39
Speaker 2: We actually have two reasons why this story is extra upsetting because we have seen a rise in And we'll get into the numbers. Infamilicides this year, we've been talking about it. We've been doing episodes on it. But recently we've seen a string of older, you would even describe them as elderly people committing murder or at least being accused of committing murder. And you put both of those together and that's what you have, police believe, happen in Ohio this week. So we know that three people are dead. 67-year-old Gail Sanders died. 51-year-old Melissa Campbell and 22-month-old Kozar Lodit. Now, this is what police have been able to put together, and we'll get into the details because this also involves a very eerie story. 911 call, but they said that 67 year old Gail and 51 year old Melissa were the grandparents of the 22 month old toddler. And police are describing this as a murder suicide. They say they do not believe that the community at large. is in trouble because obviously this is an unbelievably disturbing scene to walk in on in this small town. It's called Nadenhutton, Ohio. It's 60 miles south of Akron. I mean, this is a small rural community, and this has shaken the folks here because it all began with a 911 call.
00:02:11
Speaker 1: Okay, this is.
00:02:12
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:02:13
Speaker 1: I always, in many of these cases, unfortunately, we've seen a lot in which children... are killed. I mean, the ages have ranged, babe, but five to 15, a little older sometimes and sometimes a little younger. I just always fascinated how somebody could rip apart a 22 month old body with a bullet or with a knife. These are just tiny. I don't know.
00:02:39
Speaker 2: Tiny little toddler, not even two years old yet.
00:02:41
Speaker 1: So a 22 month old for a grandparent to be a, what possesses you, you have to lift point and pull a trigger. At a child that's 22 months old, I will never understand this.
00:02:54
Speaker 2: Not just any child. Obviously, any child. Your blood. That would be a horrific, awful, gut-churning idea just to think about being in that position. But then to think it's your own flesh and blood, that is beyond comprehension. Yeah. It happened, 911 dispatchers received a hang-up call at 4.15 a.m. in the morning. So we're talking, yes, in the middle of the night this week. So it's a hangup and it was so quick that they could not get a location. You know, oftentimes they're able to figure out where the call's coming from. It was so quick, they couldn't do it. So then they start trying to call back and call back several times. One of the calls back and I listened to it. You can hear a voice clearly, softly, like you could tell this is a voice of someone who was in extreme physical distress say, help. And That, I mean, if you listen to it, I couldn't, honestly, I couldn't tell if it was a man or a woman. It was just this guttural help. And so that then began this trace. They were trying to figure out, and again, that was quick, and then hung up. They tried to trace the call back to the cell phone owner. Turns out the cell phone owner had nothing to do with this family. He said that he loaned it to an associate. And it was so confusing and I still don't understand where this phone, how this phone got into the possession of one of the grandparents, but it took them, they said two hours. And that's so sad because we don't know if someone was still alive, could have been helped, could have been saved, could have explained what actually went on in that home. But eventually they were able to trace it back to a home. Then they're like, how do we get in? This is another strange twist. Police find a family member, they say, on the location who opened the door and let them in. Turns out the great-grandmother, I guess they outfitted their garage in this house for her to have a great-grandmother.
00:05:03
Speaker 1: Great-grandma's in the garage.
00:05:04
Speaker 2: Great-grandma is in the garage.
00:05:05
Speaker 1: No idea what's going on in the house.
00:05:07
Speaker 2: No clue. Didn't wake up. Didn't know that there were shots. Didn't know that a gun had gone off. Nothing. But she opens the door for the police, and they're all shocked to find these three bodies inside. And the way police describe it, a firearm was recovered next to one of the deceased. They did not specify who shot whom, who committed suicide or who died by suicide. But we know that one of them shot the others and then pulled the trigger on themselves.
00:05:39
Speaker 1: How did they figure that out?
00:05:41
Speaker 2: They said the gun was right near the hand of one of the deceased.
00:05:44
Speaker 1: Well, I guess you have to. I don't know. If it's a gun in the house, maybe both of their fingerprints are on it. They should be able to, you know what, there'll be gunpowder residue on somebody's hand.
00:05:51
Speaker 2: They'll have to figure that out because obviously the concern would be, you could obviously stage a murder scene to make it look like a murder-suicide, but what would be the reasoning behind it? Why would you kill an elderly couple? And look, the younger woman, she's not even elderly. She's 51 years old. She's younger than me, so I wouldn't necessarily putâ but he was 67, which also isn't that old. So look, this is confusing. There's no history of domestic violence here. No police calls to this home, so there was no issues.
00:06:21
Speaker 1: Where's mama, by the way?
00:06:22
Speaker 2: That's what I haven't been able to find out. I have looked and scoured from what we understand, because the great-grandma's there, grandma and grandpa are there, and then toddler is there. They say the grandparents cared for the toddler who had medical disabilities.
00:06:36
Speaker 1: Do we know if that is the kid's home?
00:06:39
Speaker 2: We don't know yet. And so here, the sheriff's department put it like this. There are many people to interview and much to do with evidence from the scene. But he said, we feel strongly that the community is in no danger. And that was the big concern because, you know, this is not an area where you have murders and you have violence and police are called out to scenes. And so this was something that was shocking. And to your point, the idea that a child who is not even two years old yet, was shot. That is just an unthinkable act of violence. Why?
00:07:23
Speaker 1: What fight could you get into with your spouse that carries over to you need to kill the kid? I don't understand these, baby. There is nothing. You have to be a crazy person. That's the only way you can explain. There is no, there's nothing that could trigger you. I shouldn't even say justifiable. You can't get mad enough. To point a gun at a 22-month-old?
00:07:48
Speaker 2: No.
00:07:48
Speaker 1: Your grandkid?
00:07:49
Speaker 2: No. And think about the time of day this happened. So if the call comes in at 4 o'clock in the morning, this would imply to me, and this is what we have seen in many of these familicides, I don't want to rush to judgment that it's the grandpa. Yeah, well. That is, you know, we won't judge, but that has been the vast majority of these familicides have been at the hands of, they oftentimes are older white men who have issues with shame or dealing with any sort of, any sort of financial or familial problem. They just, this is how Certain individuals take care of it, and they have done studies on who commits these types of violent acts, and it overwhelmingly is often the head of the household, the male head of the household.
00:08:39
Speaker 1: But anyâ is thereâ I mean, we've seen somewhere a guy just lost a job a week prior, or this guy was asked to move out of the house and something. there's no triggering event that's come up yet.
00:08:50
Speaker 2: They know of nothing that would have caused this or sparked this. But if you look at, this has often happened in the middle of the night. We have seen a lot of the victims are in their beds and we don't know where the placement of the victims were, but they wait, they lie in wait until everyone's sleeping. Therefore, no one's going to react or fight back. And not as if a 22 month old would fight back. And certainly The 51-year-old mom, I've seen the pictures or the grandma, I've seen the pictures online. You just can't get your head around how or why this could happen. But if it happened in the middle of the night, this oftentimes is premeditated where they wait until people are sleeping and then they won't have any issues with any violence or any sort of fight that would ensue beforehand. So That's what's so puzzling. It's not like who's up at four o'clock in the morning in a fight. I mean, I guess it could happen. It could happen.
00:09:41
Speaker 1: But that suggests only by history here, Robes, of cases that we know that it possibly is a woman. That's a hallmark sometimes of some of these cases is that the woman needs the guy to be asleep, needs to be in the Patrick Clancy case, out of the house.
00:09:59
Speaker 2: That's true.
00:10:00
Speaker 1: Man needs to be out of the way oftentimes for the woman to be able. So obviously the police are figuring this out, but the hallmarks and things that go in line as they try to figure it out. And again, you said they could have been up at four in the morning fighting. Who knows what was going on with the kid at four in the morning? What was the kid doing at four in the morning?
00:10:16
Speaker 2: Let's hope sleeping and had no idea this was coming. But police say there is going to be a lot more information coming as they continue their investigation into this horrific tragedy. But when we come back, we're going to talk about this major uptick in familicides this year and in elderly homicides. Welcome back, everyone, to Amy and TJ. Yes, another familicide in Ohio. This one happened this week, and this one is distinctive in that we're talking about grandparents. and a 22-month-old grandchild. Police haven't exactly figured out, or at least they have not revealed who the shooter was in this, but they do believe we are looking at another case of a murder-suicide where someone in the home decides to kill all of their family members without explanation, without any warning signs, without anything at least initially that points to a why. this would happen. And we've been talking about this since the summer. The Washington Post did an article saying that the attack in which someone kills their relatives, four or more of their relatives, has risen this year from a 20-year low. There were more incidents in the first half of 2026 of this type of attack than in all of last year. So in the first six months of this year, we had more familicides than we did in all of last year. What is going on?
00:11:52
Speaker 1: And again, I'm surprised we had that many last year because you and I have covered so many this year. And we had a, what, three, four-month stretch where we literally at least had one a month. There were several. There were weeks where we had more than one.
00:12:08
Speaker 2: There was a week in June where there were three. Three incidents of men, of fathers killing and taking out relatives, like large numbers of relatives in one week. We don't know. The Washington Post said from 2017 to 2025, more than 3,000 people died in familicides. And now family killings account for 21% of all homicides. 21% of all homicides are family killings. That is such a disturbing trend.
00:12:42
Speaker 1: Do you know if that number includes any family killing, like a A spouse can kill a spouse. Does that include all those?
00:12:48
Speaker 2: Yes, it's family, 21% of all homicides. And that's up, by the way, from 15% in 2020. So in six years, we've gone up 6%. I mean, 6%, that's a huge number.
00:13:01
Speaker 1: One out of every people, five people, is that right?
00:13:03
Speaker 2: Yes.
00:13:03
Speaker 1: Killed in the U.S. or killed by a family member? Yes. Damn.
00:13:06
Speaker 2: That is so disturbing. And then the elderly homicide... Let's just talk about this week. Just yesterday, we did a story on 76-year-old Grace Edge, who shot and killed her ex-husband and his girlfriend. We had the couple in San Francisco a few weeks prior shooting and killing their son-in-law, and they were 77 years old. We talked about this. Less than 0.5% of murders are 75. Murderers are 75 or older, and only 5.5% of murderers are 65 or older. So if this grandpa who was 67 he falls in line with this very small number of older people choosing to kill and in these cases members of their family or former members of their family seeing.
00:13:57
Speaker 1: That yes this is a story it's making headlines please know this is so extremely it's it's an anomaly it's a Rob, this just does not happen. So you pay attention when it does. We just don't have people this old killing folks.
00:14:11
Speaker 2: Yes, this is the third time in a matter of just a couple of weeks where we have had high-profile murders. Or at least we should say those elderly folks are being accused of murder. They haven't been convicted. But this has just been too many headlines not to make or at least draw some through line between them with elderly homicides and familicides now converging. it seems, in the past couple of weeks. And this is just unfortunately another tragic example. We need to pay attention. We need people to know where to get help if they have a mental health crisis, because this should not be happening in the numbers it's been happening this year or frankly, any year.
00:14:53
Speaker 1: It's almost predictable. We could sit here and All right, Rob, see if we get through the next two weeks.
00:14:58
Speaker 2: It's like it's contagious.
00:15:00
Speaker 1: We're going to get through the next month. Again, that was the thing that Minnie said about school shootings. It puts it in people's minds. I wonder if it is. Maybe this is flukish. Maybe it's a stressful time.
00:15:12
Speaker 2: Who knows?
00:15:13
Speaker 1: But if it doesn't slow down by the end of the year, we are losing more people to family violence than we are to school shootings in this country.
00:15:20
Speaker 2: We need to pay attention?
00:15:22
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:15:23
Speaker 2: Yeah. And we need to talk about it. This needs to be something that people talk about. This can't be something that's just brushed under. You know, oftentimes police do because they say, oh, well, it's wrapped up. There's no threat to the community. So no one else needs to be bothered by this. No one else needs to care about this. And fine until it's your family and something happens to people you love. And then it matters.
00:15:45
Speaker 1: A lack of resources, investigative resources. Well, that crime is done. There's no killer to find. We know who did it. We're busy trying to find this active killer who's running around out there. That I can kind of understand. That might be a part of the problem, baby.
00:16:03
Speaker 2: That's why it getsâ I believe that is why it gets brushed under the rug because there is no trial. There is no court date. There is no follow-up. It's one and done. The headlines are the headlines and then everyone forgets and moves on. But this keeps happening and we need to remember what's happening and we need to figure out why it's happening. And with that, everyone, we always appreciate you listening to us. I'm Amy Robach alongside TJ Holmes. We'll talk soon.