Actress, Singer, Social Media Creator Dylan Mulvaney joins Kristin to discuss S3 E18 "Cock-a-Doodle-Do"

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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are you a Charlotte You guys, it's super exciting day. This is a guest I've wanted on since the very beginning. Dylan mulvaney is here with us, and not only that, she brought her friend, Lily.

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Speaker 2: My best friend of the word.

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Speaker 1: If you've ever listened to anything Dylan talks about, Lily is part of central story. We love that she's here. We love that Dylan's here.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god. Okay, let's talk about when you first announced this podcast. I have never texted my publicists faster in my life, and I don't really ask for things normally, but I said, if there's any world, because I didn't know, if you know, what the structure was going to be right, if you were going to have guests, And I was like, this is my cup of tea. And I probably have like four to five regular podcasts. I've listened to every episode of this one so far. But I just knew that this would be my dream podcast to be on. It's the best day ever.

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad. I'm so glad that you feel that way and we feel that way about you, and you have been like one of the people. Since I've been doing this podcast, I'm more aware of people who talk about the show and or Charlotte in a way that's interesting to me, especially younger people, you know, where I'm like, oh, they get it, yes, And that's how I feel about you.

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Speaker 2: I thank you. I think that's what's so cool about social media is like as dark as it can be. And I was just listening to Benny Drama on your show, you know, talking about the hate comments and all that. I think, like connecting to women like you on there and getting to feel that support online has made my journey so worth it these past few years. And I think now getting to bring my story to you know, different audiences other than just social media, it has been so lovely.

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad.

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Speaker 2: But I think Charlotte ever since I was a kid. I grew up in my stepdad's house, who he's like a hunter and he has like sixty dead animals on the wall, and I would sit in the back bedroom and watch he had h and that was like the one really good part about the house totally, and I would want real sex, would be on and be like, oh my god, what is this? And then I would watch Sex and the City, and I remember like, even as a little kid, like your character was the one that I always was drawn to.

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Speaker 1: The most amazing. So when you see a little kid.

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Speaker 2: Like how old, well funny enough. The episode we're talking about came out in two thousand. That was the year that I came out to my mom as a girl. As four year olds at the time. So but that when I was watching it at my stepdad's house, probably around like I was probably eight or nine around there, So two thousand maybe those were reruns by that point. I gave two thousand and five czy. But I grew up.

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Speaker 1: Fast, I can tell. Yeah, So wait, when did the real sex become part of it? Because that show was a lot.

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Speaker 2: All right, and I don't think the writing was so great on that one, no, but what it was.

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Speaker 1: A very strange show. And when we started our show that people thought that we were that oh yes, yes, before we air and I was like no, no, no, I like a regular, you know, scripted.

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Speaker 2: I grew up you know, Desperate Housewives when I was way too young for that. And in some like it was like me and my mom's treat she'd be like, oh, you know, let me stay up and watch the sweet I know that is a it's a way to we bond and we also Glee was one of those that we loved together, which is a little more peachy. Well, there was some racy stuff and smash I love to smash wow, which I feel like a lot of this episode is going to be me just trying to get you to do Broadway some you know, and I want I need Kristin in a musical, and but.

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Speaker 1: You don't need me singing. I need it, I don't think.

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Speaker 2: So. Let's what would be your if you were going to be in a musical? What role?

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Speaker 1: I don't even know enough? You tell me, you cast me your knowledgeable.

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Speaker 2: Oh gosh, okay, okay, let me let me tell Let me take that.

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Speaker 1: So be that lady with the bell in the what's that one? She's like a missionary or whatever. She's like raising money. Cynthia almost did this on Broadway, but then the lady from Gilmore Girls did it instead.

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Speaker 2: Oh, thank you so much, Heatherware. Oh wait for guys and dolls. Y Oh, that would be a cute role for you. What Sarah, Oh, you might be a cute adelaide in that actually little blonde wig. Never say never, Never say never.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I'm big in the manifestation.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. I don't know the thing about Broadway because I have done Broadway, just not a musical.

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay.

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Speaker 1: The Best Man with James Old Jones, Angela Lansbury, icons John Staymos.

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Speaker 2: Oh he was he's back on stage now is he? Did you see the Hollywood Bowl the Josh Gad I saw.

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Speaker 1: I was so stressed for him when I saw that he was going to go in for Josh Gadd hed sleep. I mean, he is incredible on stage and very confident.

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Speaker 2: He brought it.

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad to hear that, because I was like.

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Speaker 2: Yes, So, what you're saying is if someone called you the day of and said, will you fill in from musical tonight? You would not do it.

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Speaker 1: If it was for one night, I would do it, okay, and I would give it my all.

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Speaker 2: Everyone take note of that. She's a veil.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it might work, it might not work, but I would try it. If you were that kind of emergency, I could rise to that. But I don't know about like me going through regular rehearsals, I feel like I would lose my voice. No, I'm not a singer.

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Speaker 2: No, eight times a week.

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Speaker 1: No, eight times a week is very hard, as you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just did.

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Speaker 1: Yes, you just came from your own one woman show, which is so amazing. I'm sorry I missed you.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, it's okay. It was called the Least Problematic Woman in the World. We're going to come back next year and they're hoping to come to a few cities. But I think that title is so funny of just kind of playing into what you know to be problematic about yourself, but then also still being in pursuit of being a people person and a pleaser and just trying to make everyone like you. And I think that's been so much of my journey these past few years, is like being on such a large scale and having a magnifying glass on your life and your identity and your gender and trying to not you know, get brought down by by all the negativity. Imagine, it felt really good to get up there and tell my story the way that I wanted to tell it because I grew up, you know, doing theater my whole life, singing, dancing, acting, and I think to go from making these social media videos, then to you know, writing my book Paper Doll to then getting back to the sort of the type of art that I grew up doing and that I love more than anything was the biggest gift.

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Speaker 1: It's amazing. It's amazing the way that you have been able to, you know, kind of take the reins of telling your own story in different ways that different people can come to and relate to it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think powerful, Thank you. I feel like humor has always been my way in because and with sex and the City, I think so much of it is talking about tricky subjects but trying to find the funny in them, right, And and for me that was when I was starting my transition. I was like, Okay, how can I make people laugh and relate to me and not feel like I'm some monster or some boogeyman? And so I found that through comedy and and now I think getting to be up on stage, and what I think is so fun about theater is you can kind of get away with a little bit more because people you know aren't hopefully filming it unless you know they're doing it behind your back.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: But I felt safer in there than having everything taken out of context online clicked, and it's kind of.

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Speaker 1: A pure experience theater.

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Speaker 2: It's and it's so crazy because I think AI is changing the landscape so much. But hopefully theater won't go away because we'll always miss that.

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Speaker 1: It can't go away, No, it can't go.

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Speaker 2: Because we need you for your one night at the Hollywood Bowl.

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Speaker 1: I think humanity needs theater, you know, for all time, right, Like, even if even if official Broadway went away, right, we would still find a way to be telling stories in person totally, yes, because it's necessary.

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Speaker 2: Dancing on the coffee table in the living room.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, whatever, whatever it is, whatever it takes, all right. So I one hundred percent respect and believe and I love like for you and Benny, Marybeth came on the show. Oh I know, a dream, but I also feel like for me. The thing that's inspiring about all of you guys in your own different ways, are that you have made your own path. All of you. Thank you, And it is so amazing and interesting from someone been you know, we've been doing Sex's the City since nineteen ninety eight, right and or whatever version of it, right, And I was trying to act, you know, for a long time before that, and it was a different, different world that we started in and it's a different world now and sometimes it's you know, a terrifying world in so many ways. And things are changing in AI and companies are consolidating.

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Speaker 2: And how to get in the door.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and you guys have done it, and I'm just so inspired.

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Speaker 2: By you all you I But I think that's what's so interesting is it still feels like we're caught between this like old Guard in the New York you are, and in trying to you know, take yourself out of boxes. Because even once I blew up on TikTok, it was like, oh wait, I've been acting, you know, my whole life that people were like, no, you're an influencer, right, And so you're constantly having to change that narrative about yourself.

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Speaker 1: To be aware of what they're labeling as so that you can say, no, that's not actually right.

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Speaker 2: But then then I think what's fun about planting the seeds is like, Okay, if they don't want to think that, I'm going to make this kind of video to show them I can sing, or I'm going to show this so that I can write and then slowly it's like I'm still in that process right now. But I always tell myself, like I think about the women like Oprah, Audrey Hupper and anyone that I've looked up to, I was like, they'd probably be making tiktoks right now if they were trying to get there.

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Speaker 1: Start to think that. I think they would do whatever they had to do, right and that might be in different things, like you know, maybe they would make an indie film and yeah, distribute or you know, like there's just so many different options.

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Speaker 2: Was there ever part of you when you were young trying to find your way up like that you were making your own thing?

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Speaker 1: Or we always no because we just had no We had no one even remotely well, you know, we would do. I did two things. Number one, I really thought for a while. I mean I waitressed and I did all the That's what you were told, like you're supposed to be an actress, waitress until you can, you know, be an actress, make enough money to just be an actress. And back in the olden days you could make money doing commercials. And that's what I did first in New York, which was great because you'd get checks for years, like going to the mailbox was so exciting because you didn't know, right, but this is not true anymore necessarily in the same way, now that's an influencer, right, that person would be an influencer. So for me, I started doing yoga as a way to like keep my sanity. So I went to yoga every day to the only one yoga works that existed in Santa Monica on Montana. I basically lived there. I went every day every morning, and that was just my mental health thing. And then at one point they said, oh, Kristin, you should get your certificate and teach. And I was like okay, and so I did. And I thought, you know, Universe, I'm going to ask you, you know, what should I be doing If if this is what I should be doing, I need a sign in the next six months because my parents really would like me to do something practical, right and not just yoga teaching. If not, if it was yoga teaching, they'd be happy. Oh okay, that could even better for them. I went to yoga school too way.

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Speaker 2: I my dad let me go during it was junior year of college and I had a kind of a bad breakup situation and I was like, well, I need to. But I'm one of those people that I hadn't taken yoga before. I just decided to teach it. I think, I I'm the I'm the type of person when I'm like, well, why would I just try it? Why shouldn't I? Like they say, if you teach you, then you know how to do it. But then, so did you end up getting the certificate?

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Speaker 1: I did get the certificate, but then also within that six months I got Melrose Place.

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Speaker 2: Oh well, because I was like, I didn't get to do that much?

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Speaker 1: They did you? No, I didn't, So I did. My friend and I started a little yoga studio in this karate studio during the day, so they would teach karate at night. We would teach yoga to like unemployed actors, our friends basically during the day. It was fun, but then I was like, I'm so sorry I don't have it. I can I got to go. I know, but she's she's not teaching, but she's still doing much more than me. But I need to be doing it. But anyway, that was my I'd love to go to yoga.

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Speaker 2: I just don't want to do any of the workout ones, you know where they do the weight or the yelling I want to do the knee drop where you just lay down on the floor the whole time.

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Speaker 1: Well, you have to do something to get to that, but I understand I'm not going to lift weights. No, no, I'm sorry, what is that? No? Yeah? Sorry, okay, back on track. So I have Sophia Bush. I was like, oh, I love them. I apparently I have ADHD. I've I've learned this since I started the podcast. Yes, I haven't told. But wait, you guys are amazing. You create your own world and stories, and you are able to to, you know, put yourself out into the world through that, which I find so impressive and aspiring. So for us here we are back in the olden days, trying to do sex and the city. You know, it was unusual, as you know, and we were like forging our own way.

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Speaker 2: Ahead of its time in a way.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, and and luckily I mean at the beginning, we thought that it wouldn't be that successful, that we'd just be a little niche, you know, and that we would love it, like we would feel passionate about it, and maybe we'd find some other people in a small group who might also feel passionate. We never expected, you know what has happened. So that's part of the reason I wanted to do the podcast, because it is interesting to look back on the things that we did well, you know, the things that are still resonating and ringing true and that our thought provoking. Now that you see the younger generation finding on you know Netflix, Yes, you know, well, we're going through some of the same Weirdly, Yeah, I mean it's interesting, right, Like some of it you wouldn't have thought, and some of it you would totally have thought. You know what I'm saying, Like, I find it interesting. But then for this particular episode, which I haven't said yet, we are we're diving in. We're diving into an episode called Gaka Doodle Doo. It aired on October fifteenth, two thousand. It's interesting that we were on in October because we just start in June. But I think this particular season we made like twenty something episodes. We made so many episodes, eighteen I think, really, thank you, thank you for knowing. So this is what I want to say first about you being here to rewatch this with me. We talked about it just briefly when you came in. I'm so appreciative.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: When I look back on this episode, I'm just cringing a million cringes. I don't even know how to put it. I was, yeah, I didn't really remember all this, like I vaguely remember it, and I do remember that the meatpacking District as an actual neighborhood in New York has gone through a lot. Like I remember when you would drive through there and you would just smell the meat and see the cow bodies hanging there. You know, it was like a very very different experience than now, which is like a very high end shopping.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I just all I know. It's like I would go to sugar Factory, that you know, restaurant that serves the goblets of alcohol and it with like the craziest hangover ever. So I didn't we have a different version, but.

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Speaker 1: I didn't do that version. I didn't do that version. But now it's like just like Sella McCartney, you know, it's like bougie bougie, very boogie bougie, and tourists are just like clopping around on the cobblestones.

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Speaker 2: It's crazy. That's where Samantha was living during this episode.

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Speaker 1: So Samantha gets her her new apartment that apparently she's renting, because then she goes in at one point shouts the rent which is interesting. It's like, why is Samantha renting? It's so interesting. But whatever, I mean, I have weird thoughts go through my head sometimes when I watch The Old Old.

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Speaker 2: And you have highlights in it, kind of.

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Speaker 1: Oh, my highlights are like a terrible mess. It's cute that you notice, like one time and my hair's like wavy, like if I just got a shower or something. So good do you think yes, I'm.

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Speaker 2: Like, well, I watched the whole season three, just the past few weeks, and it just I said, her hair, her hair hurt, Like it's okay, yeah, because it's just like they need to bringing that to the IATZI workshops for hair. It's just pictures of you.

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Speaker 1: It's so sweet. I did have amazing hair people over the time, and I'm not sure I need to look up more closely who's doing it at what point during to me because we did go through many, many people because it was such a hard schedule.

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Speaker 2: But we're off, we're off. Okay.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about the episode cock Tittle Doo. It is directed by Ellen Culter, who's Lovely, Lovely Human Being and written by Cindy Shuepack also lovely human being who's come on the show. I mean, I wonder if we ask Cindy now, what did she say? She has lived a lot of life since then, she married a man who turned out to be gay, wrote a book about it. It's been very interesting, very interesting. Cindy's had a very interesting life. And I remember at the time that I always felt like she wrote the monologues when Charlotte would talk about like I've got to get married and I'm going to get this book, and this book is going to tell me everything everything, you know, when the girls would just like roll their eyes like that was Cindy's voice in a lot of ways. So when she did marry this guy, we were like, okay, he rode a white horse at the wedding and stuff. It was like a whole during the show, right after, right after, and we were like, well, cinka what she wanted, but not not really like.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, I think I'd like to marry a gay man maybe, but.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think it wasn't enough for her. But I do think they're friends. You know. It worked out in some.

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Speaker 2: Ways lavender marriage gone right when I don't know if she would say that.

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Speaker 1: Sure, I think she was disappointed, But I know what you're saying, right, and I think if you'd known, maybe it.

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Speaker 2: Could have been Yester going into it right.

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Speaker 1: But I don't I don't think she. I don't think he did.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: We're all finding ourselves exactly exactly, and that's a real thing. Yes, it's a real thing. So for me, I am definitely struggling with some of these episodes where we are off right because we really thought of ourselves at the time as being very progressive and inclusive and whatnot, and I think for the year two thousand, I guess we were doing the best we could, but it really fell short.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes, you know. I think the way that I have watched this episode and want to approach it on the pod is that, as I've made all this content about, you know, trans people and trans is a large theme of this episode, is that I've always just spoke from my personal experience. I've never spoke on behalf the community. I especially can't speak on behalf of the black trans community, which you know is an integral part of the episode, and so I think that what I will say is that year two thousand was the year that I came out to my mom as a girl, and I said, God made a mistake and put a girl into a boy's body. And I think there were no resources. There was nothing to go off of for her. And also that also reflects this episode of there was I think an idea of transness that was being pushed in the media through like Silence of the Lambs or Law and Order SVU. It felt like the only people you saw on TV were sex workers, and so I think for me, the fact that we both cringe at this now twenty five years later is the way we should be feeling. Yeah, and it's scary that there are some people in this world and country right now that might watch it and not think it's problematic at all. But I think, you know, what we're talking a little bit about before is the fact that now we've gotten to watch in just like that where there are some more positive of actually quite a few in this new series of showing the same group of people getting to tell a community story in a completely different, more positive way. So that feels like there's some rectification right the situation.

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Speaker 1: We definitely wanted that, you know, we did definitely want Yeah, because I think also in these years that we're in which I guess, do we start and just like that in twenty twenty one, I want to say, you know, things were changing rapidly then, but I feel like we it's like we have a wave of like positive growth backwards or some people are going in a positive way, and then everyone else is like, no, no, no, we will stay in the backwards way whatever, which is super confusing to me, and I'm sure it must be very confusing to you. What do you make of that part?

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Speaker 2: I think that wait, what is the question?

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Speaker 1: Like the like it seems like we make strides.

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Speaker 2: We do, but then it's like we take a step forward and two steps back, but we are eventually, you know, being in the right direction.

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Speaker 1: We're going the right way.

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Speaker 2: I find it interesting too, because I don't think this episode was written with the intention of like a positive light on the trans community. I don't think the goal was like we need to give some representation. Oh no, at all. But I do think there's so many people who are trying to make good strides now don't always nail it, but at least they're trying, yeah, And I think better to get a little messy if the intentions are right, yeah, then than to not at all, because a lot of people are really scared. But I had a situation recently where a really amazing writer brought me a project that he was like, I wrote this thinking of aout you, and I couldn't this person someone I've always wanted to work with. I couldn't end up doing the project because of something else. But then when I read it, it was like, very kind of wrong sort of transition topics. And but what I thought was, you know, and I sent him a note kind of with a few little touches of what I was picking up on, but it was that he was so excited to you know, be like, look, I wrote a trans character. And that's why I do think we have to have people of the experience in the room to help create these stories. Yes, but I think seeing someone like this, this man who's of an older generation, really try is all that at least me as someone up and coming hoping to, you know, break through into these spaces to be like, Okay, there are people that still are willing.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a good point. And I think willing is so important, but I also think that there's so much fear that you will get it wrong. Yes, you know, and and like when you know, when we were for instance, when we were going to do the Rock character on and just like that, we had a lot of people that we were consulting with, We consulted with Glad, we had you know, we we know children who are non binary, right, and so we were talking to them and their parents and that you know, my kids know people who are trans and yes, non binary, who are.

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Speaker 2: Young, and they're because they're in that generation now where I feel like there's a lot less hang ups, but it's and we're so lucky in our little bubble of la here. But yes, I think that it just goes to show trans people have existed in every space for as long as you know we can date back. And and so how funny though that like a character like Rock, which was quite boundary pushing or hard enough in season one, which like because she played a rabbi, a rabbi like that is a different kind of boundary pushing as it was in the original show. Yeah, but like in the way that I think that in the right direction.

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Speaker 1: I agree, and that was our goal in a lot of ways, because we couldn't push the boundaries in the same way as the first show, because that wouldn't make sense. And because also we're older and times have changed. Do we need to push the boundaries in a different way? But was everyone ready for that? But I don't know, you know, But.

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Speaker 2: But I think for those of us watching it that like so so often, I think I hear of other queer creatives looking for someone like themselves, even though I'm, you know, a twenty eight year old trans woman. I think just seeing a rock or you know, seeing Harry's character, that was enough for me to be like, Okay, I'm going to keep trying to do this because that means that there are people out there that are willing to create for someone like me. Right, I agree, And there there is someone there, you know, someone's kids walking by when they're watching it, just like that, who might be a rock And.

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Speaker 1: Get to absolutely, absolutely, I think that's very important. And I thing sometimes we forget about it because honestly, you get into first of all, you're doing your best within it, right, And I mean we stress so much, and we stressed so much about Sader Ramirez's character.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I mean so much, you know, and with the comedy element of Star's character, because it's like what joke is to pushing the boundary, right.

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Speaker 1: It's almost impossible, right, It's almost impossible to do. But we really wanted to do it. But then people got really upset with us, to the point where you know, you're just like you have to really think, like is it wrong to try? I mean, we certainly consulted so many people. We tried, you know, everything, and I shouldn't even speak because I wasn't integally involved in that. I was in the Rock situation more so. But you know, I do feel like we did the homework, yeah, you know, and we had the people who came to us and gave notes and we took the notes and all of that, like it was very important. But on the same hand, you're never going to please everyone.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't think anyone got notes on this episode.

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Speaker 1: That we're notes given.

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Speaker 2: No. Okay, question for you, let in the most lovely way, did you have any trans friends like back then?

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Speaker 1: I didn't. I mean I had to think through this myself last night because when I was watching it, as I said, we I have there's many people in our lives now who are at different places on the journey and transitioning of being pronouns. Definitely, it's a big deal Los Angeles. It's not easy in Los Angeles and New York. Also, yes, everywhere, Yes, I mean everywhere, but like those are my two places that I really exist and that I have kids in my life that are my friend's kids or whatever friends of my kids. Right, So for us, when I think back on this, because obviously this is Samantha's storyline, I'm very much over in my trade stow, Oh you've got You're in it, honeywoos. I'm in it big time. And I was very fully in the whole thing. Like I don't remember all of it. I had had Kylon and we discussed, but I didn't remember all of it, though I did. I had had Allan Coulter on and he talks about the scene that happens in this episode where we do finally have sex, and then we talk about it afterwards.

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Speaker 2: Oh, yes, we need to get into all that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's super interesting. I had not remembered it. I had not really remembered it, which.

00:26:24
Speaker 2: I feel it was the most honest, and it felt like your character was finally breathing with Trey for the first time.

00:26:31
Speaker 1: That's so true. That's so true. I really loved watching it. I was pleased because I hadn't remembered it because once he comes, it kind of got into like a very The lines were just so blurred, you know what I mean, As I said to him, like the day that that Charlotte and Tray got married, I don't care about marriage. I'm not married. I've never wanted to be married. I grew up in the South, as all anyone talked about. I thought it was so old fashioned and like bluff, here you are playing this woman that act was obsessed, right, but like, come to the wedding day, I was like, not even on the planet Earth. I was just levitating with joy, like I had lost you to boundaries. Now. No one else was except for Kyle enjoyed it. But the girls were like it took so long, they're asleep, They're so mad. They didn't like their bridesmaid's dresses, all the different things. But I'm just like, oh, this is amazing. I mean, I just was just, you know, the lines had blurred in so many ways at that point, which as an actor it is a great thing. But it's also interesting.

00:27:29
Speaker 2: I well, what I think one of the I want to get married so badly, you deasly may I think mostly for the wedding, Like I think that's and people seem to feel that way, and so you kind of did get the best exactly, but then get divorced.

00:27:43
Speaker 1: It's so true, and that was sad, and I think it was confusing also because the whole storyline is interestingly confusing.

00:27:50
Speaker 2: Yes, and you still don't really know that ends in this episode is such a confusing place of them finally having this like right earth shattering sex and.

00:28:00
Speaker 1: It's so exciting, and then he says something like like.

00:28:03
Speaker 2: Well you ask him if he are you? Do you regret married? Like did you ever really want to marry me?

00:28:09
Speaker 1: Right?

00:28:10
Speaker 2: Which is really but you said it in a way okay acting that was like it wasn't you weren't going to be upset with whatever he said. It was like it was almost like you just wanted to it was there, Yeah, hear it.

00:28:26
Speaker 1: And I do think that's really major growth for her for Charlotte, you know, and I also feel like some of it is because they did just have sex, so whatever lingering questions she'd had because when you do watch the beginning of the series, she has all these interesting insecurities that are like underneath her kind of more adventurousness than you realize you. Everyone thinks she was like, you know, Pollyanna, but Pollyanna, but she's out there trying to kind of weird.

00:28:50
Speaker 2: Sometimes. I know, well, that's I find my inner Charlotte. Like, I'm a very earnest adult and I've got a lot. I think what I'm hoping to do is get through life and with a sense of wonder and innocence. I think innocence and adults. It's almost like we turn eighteen and we're all of a sudden got a harden and become apples. But I want to I want to constantly be able to find my earnestness. I love it, and I think that's where I relate to Charlotte the most. But I also think she's she's got that little bit of a weird She can say something sometimes it surprises you, and it happens so often with the girls. Are they're like.

00:29:28
Speaker 1: What I know, I know, but I think they go together because what you're saying is that And I so respect you for even acknowledging this. Right as an earnest person.

00:29:38
Speaker 2: Myself, Yes, it's not easy.

00:29:41
Speaker 1: The world is trying to shut you down more than ever at all times, and especially on social media.

00:29:47
Speaker 2: I think because like when I go to share something that is really silly or actually relating it back to like hyper femininity, for example, I so often, you know, am experiencing something for the first time I transition, whether that's trying a new makeup product on or having you know, a romantic experience with a straight man, and people will try to equate that to like a caricature or to cosplay of womanhood, or that I'm doing it wrong. But I actually think through the characters and sex and the city, I was able to identify parts of myself through these characters that not saying like, oh I am that woman, but I really like how she does this, or I like how she handled this and that scene with Charlotte where she's completely honest with him after that sexual experience, that to me is the kind of level balance that I want to find in my womanhood and in the confidence me too.

00:30:45
Speaker 1: I mean, are we all looking for those kind of like sign post kind of things, and.

00:30:51
Speaker 2: Then there's so many people telling us that we're doing it wrong.

00:30:53
Speaker 1: Right, but you know that my good Lord is twenty twenty five and God.

00:30:59
Speaker 2: And that's where with the you know, just personally with gender and identity, I'm like, what am I? What am I doing that is so offensive to you or that actually affects your life really in any way totally. And that's what's confusing to me is we're so busy in other people's right shit right, that we aren't focusing on our own right and and I just think it's sad because it's I do think women get the brunt of it. And I think that right now, I've had to. I've like closed off a lot of pieces of myself to protect them when I would love to share them and I would love to be out there talking about certain things. But but also you have.

00:31:38
Speaker 1: To protect to stay open. I think there is a healthy amount of like self protection because you're protecting the soft places, yes, because if you just are wide open, they're not going to survive.

00:31:50
Speaker 2: And people that energy vampires will find.

00:31:52
Speaker 1: You, yeah, absolutely, because they're so out there. Social media is so difficult anyway, and I think sometimes the challenge is like finding the balance between expressing yourself and it's so powerful to express yourself, you know, especially in your situation where you're like a beacon of brightness and hope and you know, like how the world should be in my opinion, Thank you, it's my pleasure, It's true, but I feel like that's so important to do, but not at not if it's costing you too much. So you always have to protect yourself. It's so important. And I think about this myself in a much lesser, lesser level because I am really open, but like, I have to protect my kids, you know what I'm saying, Like there's.

00:32:33
Speaker 2: Certain other things now in part of the equations that.

00:32:37
Speaker 1: Are more important than Oh they look so cute, I want to put them on social media, you even saying, because there's a lot of crazy people out there, and I don't need all their opinions, and I don't need their opinions about my kids because totally are special obviously to me and need to be protected. And that's really how like our little our children selves inside us are the same.

00:32:56
Speaker 2: Yes, and honoring those parts because I think I almost went into it and I shared, you know, from day one of transition that was partly little Dylan who came out to you know her mom when she was four saying this is who I am and now saying that to the world, right, and then taking all of this in. But I do think we can. We're always just trying our best, and we the moments where I look back and and say, oh, I would have said this differently, or I would have you know, maybe I shouldn't have shared that. I just now have to truck forward.

00:33:30
Speaker 1: Absolutely, But I'm not going to be perfect. No, nobody's perfect, and you're you know, you're just like that's also one of the things that I love, and it's you know, so hard because like, in some ways I am Charlotte. In some ways I'm not right.

00:33:41
Speaker 2: Yes, So when I.

00:33:42
Speaker 1: Look back, you know, I have to go like making ownership, taking ownership, but also I mean ownership of my performance because sometimes I'm like, oh, I didn't do that well, do you know what I mean? Like I felt I do occasionally really feel that way. Not often, not often, okay, but occasionally because sometimes for instance, like the when I propose to myself with with Trey Kyle and then I go to tell Sir Jessica carry about it. You know, I have to use all the names because it's very confusing. I remember that they were very very focused. You know, when you're in a creative situation and you have a director and you have a writer, right, and they're saying to you, like, you've got to play the shock. You've got to play the shock. You've got to play the shock. It's a very long scene to play one feeling. It's not really possible, right.

00:34:27
Speaker 2: But did you give in? Sometimes?

00:34:29
Speaker 1: No? I wish I had. I wish I had. I wish I had had the strength to be like, you know what, I can't play that the whole scene, you guys. I mean, that's obviously the beat that I start with, right because I'm like at the door, like all shocked. I get that, But you can't play one the whole time. No, the entire time. But I try so hard to do it because I was trying to please them, and it wasn't that good. It could have been so much better if I had given myself freedom too.

00:34:52
Speaker 2: I'm going to give Oh my god, it's exactly supposed to be.

00:34:56
Speaker 1: You're so sweet, Okay, good, that's so sweet. I mean, and I do think all so you got to give yourself a break right.

00:35:01
Speaker 2: On thousand percent, And that's why I think a break on the episode title, and I just I also love Okay, I think that we've gone down seven thousand roads. I'd ask if you had known any trans people back in the day, and I did not, so and then when no, and I think of the characters you had the least to kind of contribute about that specific storyline.

00:35:21
Speaker 1: Definitely because I'm all stuck in the trade, even in the Coffee show.

00:35:25
Speaker 2: But I was thinking about it too, of like now twenty five years later, and I was like, I feel like, because Samantha ends up being probably the most transphobic of them all, which I think she would probably be the least I know makes sense, Like that's those are the kind of women I feel like, the Chelsea Handler types in my life that I know see me as a woman like a hundred percent absolutely weird. But then I was going, I was like, I was like, oh, who would have been the most transo? And I was like, none of those women I think in New York City in twenty twenty five today would have said any of those things, or no would have felt that way.

00:36:02
Speaker 1: No, I mean, that's was so shocking, Like everything about it, it was so outdated and like crazy, yes, watching it.

00:36:11
Speaker 2: But I also think that, like, you know, a lot of during that time, they were casting men to play trans women. And I looked it up and there's there was there's three main leads of Destiny, Joe and uh China. Yeah, And what I found interesting it looks like two of them are non trans, but one was Karen cover girl played Joe, and she very sadly passed away in twenty seventeen, but she won all these pageants in the trans circuit and she did she had this like amazing legacy of of dolls and of family that she just built. And I was like, Okay, that is a trans woman that was there, Like was a part of that. That scene was a part of this episode, right, And I was thinking about her and how how when you're a guest star, you're a day player, you probably don't have the rest of you don't know how they're speaking about you, But how big of a moment that would be. Oh my gosh, I'm a trans woman in two the year two thousand, I've been offered this role and in her you know, taking an opportunity that was very exciting. And I can relate to that with like, you know, I got asked to go to the White House to interview the President, and I never you know, there has never been a trans person to do that. And I didn't fully know what I was doing or why, what the bigger picture was. And if I had that information, I probably wouldn't have done what I did. Really, and I same thing I think about that I I questioned with Karen is that like if Karen had read that whole script, would she still wanted to be a part of that? I know? But well, rest in peace, Karen, love you and can thank you. And I think being with us, it's it's just fascinating of having to take the opportunity, yes that you can, when they're so hard to come by.

00:38:14
Speaker 1: Well, the other thing that I thought about by the end, because what I do remember of this episode myself is that final scene on the rooftop.

00:38:21
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, I have a there. I have a wall of women at my house in my bedroom and it's been up there for two years. But this is you and the girls.

00:38:32
Speaker 1: In a little screens white.

00:38:34
Speaker 2: It's all I've got Dolly partner up there. I've got free to call O. That is That scene is like, it's just joy and it's like it's community and and I think have Oh the last line of the episode I found with that it was don't worry they have a very lovely life, I know, which.

00:38:57
Speaker 1: Is a callback to something else that we say earlier.

00:38:59
Speaker 2: Well about the the roofs. We haven't even talked about the roots. Oh my god, right, animals.

00:39:03
Speaker 1: Totally forgot I know, we love animals, and like I was like, wait, what there's a veterinary rescue.

00:39:09
Speaker 2: Like store, but they're just gonna put them in the basement, now what? But what made me last was this idea of I thought Carrie was saying, don't worry, they have a very lovely life about the trans community, I know. And then I was like, well, I don't know if that's the takeaway. And then I was like, it's also really funny thinking about now in twenty twenty five, Like I don't think I would also say that, like necessarily about the transcunity. But then I was like, oh, she's talking about like the girls. She was she's talking about uk okay, And but it did girl. So I was like, did we think the show was ending? Like I'm so there's so many interesting things. When I read that, felt I mean, we shouldn't have thought that.

00:39:46
Speaker 1: But like, isn't that a weird way to end?

00:39:48
Speaker 2: Don't worry that they have a very lovely life.

00:39:52
Speaker 1: I was like, that's how we should have ended, just like that. Oh well me next time, had we known it was the ending, maybe that's how Maybe we'll just keep that in the back of our mind for the future.

00:40:04
Speaker 2: But it did. It just made me laugh because I was like, oh, this isn't I totally like thought it was just about those women having a barbecue. We gave them, We throw them a barbecue. They've got a good life.

00:40:14
Speaker 1: I mean, I was confused too. I was like, wait, are we talking about the chickens? Are we talking about these these trans people who are actually with us now? Like, thank god, we're having a barbecue together. Like, yes, it's very interesting and slightly underwritten, I think.

00:40:27
Speaker 2: Yes, But can I tell you what is so great about an episode like this? Yes, is because I think flowers can grow from you know, point dead things, and good can come from bad. And I had a situation earlier this year that this episode played a major part in Are you ready? Oh okay, oh yeah. It was April of this year. I oh gosh, I was leaving to go to London to do a play, and I wanted to get out of America. I felt so polarizing. I felt like the current administration, you know, how to target even specifically on my back, and I was like, I need to get out and people don't understand me here. I don't feel safe. And before I was leaving, I was going to see a few of my queer and gal friends. Lily was going to be there, and one of our friends was like, just you know, I have to bring this twenty two year old guy from Alabama. He's here from his senior spring break from college in Alabama. Frat guy, you know, lacrosse player, Okay, And so he tells us that this gay friend of ours and we're like, how did and we're like, well, we met on vacation. He just wanted to You've never been to la before, never been out of Alabama. And so I'm thinking, oh god, I'm gonna get hate crime. But this dinner, but and so me and Lily walk in and we're mostly just excited to see the girls in the gays and then this guy is sitting at the table. Hottest man we've ever seen, pringles man mustache, but in the chakest way.

00:41:51
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

00:41:52
Speaker 2: And so we're all sitting around and we're gabbing and he's just taking it in and then somebody says, you know, oh what sex and sarious city character are you? And and we're going around and then he goes, is no one going to ask me? And and we were like, oh, if you've seen it? And he was like, I'm on season three. Ah, And basically he starts He's like, well, you know, I'm kind of a Miranda because I'm I'm a real list, but you know, I'm really leading into my my leading, you know, role energy, character energy, So I guess some kind of carry in that way. And you know, I do have a lot of sex, like Samantha and and this is like the most froggy straight man you've ever seen.

00:42:32
Speaker 1: Love it.

00:42:33
Speaker 2: And so we're I mean, me and Lily, our jaws are just on the floor drooling, and we're like, what where did you come from? How? And then we were like, oh, well, god, have you ever been to Davy Wayne's in La? We're going. So it's a bar where you open up a fridge and you walk through in Hollywood, total dive bar. Seventies fiveesh, and there was a live band. And when I look back at him, he walks in and I'm like, are you having fun? He's like, this is the best day of my life. And and so we're watching the band and he's probably, you know, six', Four i'm five, seven AND i start feeling the little drum on you, know when you're you've got someone standing behind, you and you start feeling the little the drum of their fingers on your, stomach and you're, going, well what's?

00:43:13
Speaker 1: Happening, definitely AND.

00:43:15
Speaker 2: I look To lily And i'm, like, fuck look at the fingers and and so he's you, know we're like kind of rocking with the music the live band's. Playing i'm just acting. Natural and at this point my trances has never come. Up i've never talked to him about anything like.

00:43:28
Speaker 1: That oh.

00:43:29
Speaker 2: Lord and So i'm, Like, okay we need an escape plan from. This so me And lily go to the, bathroom like what DO i? Do and and it's it's really crazy because as you, know out, there AS i am as a public, FIGURE i still find myself having to come out all the, time especially in you, know romantic. Situations If i'm just meeting someone at a bar at a, club and so it makes for all these like tricky CONVERSATIONS i can. Imagine and luckily the friend that we were, with the gay, guy was, LIKE i had Told alabama guy THAT i was. Trans he was, like, oh that's, okay you know what's? Cool AND i go back Out Voulez vou From ABBA's, Playing oh my. God we start making out on the dance. Floor it was, like you know foo And I'M i was, like let me just enjoy this for what it. Is, sure we do a few dances and THEN i get into My uber to go home and he, goes, Well i'm coming with, you. RIGHT i was, like, So i'm like. Fine we pull up to my. HOUSE i hand him a. GUITAR i didn't even know if he played. GUITAR i just handed it to him and, said, there sit on my. Couch he starts Playing Hotel California. Wow and THEN i go into my bedroom AND i start scooping the cheese it's out of my. Bed and The percy. Pigs you ever had A percy?

00:44:42
Speaker 1: Pig?

00:44:42
Speaker 2: NOW i almost brought you some.

00:44:44
Speaker 1: Today what is?

00:44:44
Speaker 2: It they are marks And spencer's that you can only get them in THE uk and they're a sour, candy BUT i had like bits of them in the. BED i didn't expect to have anyone. OVER i thought it was going to get hate crimed by this. Guy and the next THING i, know he's Playing Hotel california in the living. Room. Yeah So i'm scooping all the crumbs out And i'm, like okay ready and we have this like amazing night and and it was so just wild because this is the last PERSON i ever thought That i'd end up in bed. With and also keep in mind he had never, heard he didn't know about me. Before and then in the house that you, KNOW i had a few magazines with my face on. It he's, like oh my, gosh you're her AND i was like. Yeah and, he you, know brought up this beer out the beer thing and he was, like, oh that was. You he's, like you're way hotter in. Person AND i was, Like i'll take, it thank. You and so then we're we hook. Up there was a moment WHERE i got on top of him and he, GOES i can't Believe i'm having sex With Devin. MULLANEY i wanted to. Die do you know? What that.

00:45:48
Speaker 1: That was.

00:45:48
Speaker 2: BAD i, mean because what do you do do you do you correct someone in that?

00:45:52
Speaker 1: Moment, YEAH i think, SO i, well it depends what you.

00:45:56
Speaker 2: Want it felt like it would have taken a turn in the, room and SO i ran with.

00:46:01
Speaker 1: It and SO i, said.

00:46:02
Speaker 2: We're Just i'm right, Now i'm deaf you why?

00:46:05
Speaker 1: Not and.

00:46:05
Speaker 2: Yeah so so, yeah this night we you, know we're laying in bed and he, goes you're my thirty third AND i was, like what's, Like you're the thirty third Woman i've had sex. With AND i was, like oh my. Gosh we hadn't really brought up the trans. Stuff and he was, Like i've, never you, know done anything. Queer i've Never this is. CRAZY i was, like are YOU i was it and he was like that was, great AND i, KNOW i was like, okay, great and and SO i really thought it was going to be this one time. Thing he puts he puts my, phone my name and Is debbie on the. Phone AND i go in and change it AND i was, like this is actually and he was, like oh, shit oh, sorry and he did the next day he, goes what are we doing? Today AND i was like. NOTHING i had plans and he was, like, well CAN i see you? Tonight AND i was, like, OKAY i. DIDN'T i, thought you know, this it's going. Well then that NIGHT i had taken a little gummy and AND i forgot that he was potentially coming. Over and So i'm watching your show and he, Texts he's, like what are you up. To i'm, like, OH i took a. Gummy i'm Watching.

00:47:04
Speaker 1: Sex and The.

00:47:05
Speaker 2: City and he, goes can we start? It season, three episode, Seventeen that's WHERE i left. Off, oh so back In. Alabama clearly there was A netflix account that was sitting on that. Episode SO i was, like, great we ordered taco, bell open. UP i was already watching the. SHOW i go to that, episode we're watching, it cuddling in, bed and then oh cock a doodle doo comes, on And i'm, going oh, shit BECAUSE i the whole kind of hope from this scenario with this this experience with this, guy was THAT i am not He's it's not about my. Identity it's Not i'm just trying, to you, know have. Fun i'm learning about my. Body and we're watching it AND i GO i like totally clam, up And i'm, like oh my, god this is so. Embarrassing and finally we kind of get through to, it and we watched the entire episode actually in silence pretty, much and then we get to the rooftop scene and he's, like, so how does this make you? Feel?

00:48:06
Speaker 1: WOW i was, like, okay.

00:48:07
Speaker 2: Twenty two year, old you, know college, guy AND i, go, well as a trans woman and he goes, no he, goes you're a. Woman you're not a trans, Woman you're a. Woman, amazing And i'm, like oh, shit BUT i actually started tearing up because this how. CRAZY i think that it took that kind of character to get that through my thick, skull and in the last place THAT i thought it was going to be in this episode that is so deeply, problematic created this moment for me and this guy to see each other and have him validate the way THAT i see. Myself and that was the turning point for me in my transition of being, like, OH i and you shouldn't need permission from. Anyone but that gave me hope because what it did WAS i was, like, oh there are still people in this. World there's straight men in this world that see me the way THAT i want to be. Seen. Amazing and and so just so we know that something did come from The Conca doodle. Episode and ALSO.

00:49:12
Speaker 1: I do think that the kind of point about it is that even though it's like so badly portrayed right in the, episode you, KNOW i don't know like how many other places there there was any representation at, all, right meaning not that it REALLY i don't know representation is the right, word but because we do end on a joyful note WHERE i wish there was more about how we got there, right, right that's the part that's.

00:49:38
Speaker 2: Missing it almost feels like a scene is missing of going.

00:49:43
Speaker 1: Out exactly having some realization that you, know, yes.

00:49:47
Speaker 2: Maybe that she handled it, wrong or that we're not going to call them men, anymore or there.

00:49:51
Speaker 1: Was like so stereotypical and like cliche her projection onto, Them but whatever, reason she does get to this joyful, place WHICH i think is where the show's heart. Is, yes inclusion is enjoy trying to find the funny and trying to the funny and the joy and being together in, it you, know WHICH i think is like that's in some ways is our. Legacy though sometimes you watch an episode and you'll be, like, ooh we don't deserve that legacy right this, moment but in the end we get there some.

00:50:19
Speaker 2: A thousand and she's. GREAT i think you could ask a thousand different trans people about this episode and they'd have very different, takes and especially black trans, women because that is what their story was being portrayed, as, Right AND i think that now going forward twenty five years, later than, god we're cringing at it.

00:50:38
Speaker 1: Right and also Thank god that there is a straight guy From alabama who could have such a way that likes the.

00:50:45
Speaker 2: Dolls they like the, dolls love, it they do love.

00:50:48
Speaker 1: It but not even liking the. DOLLS i would expect them to like the, dolls BECAUSE i think everyone likes the, dolls really, you but that he would have wisdom about you claiming yourself.

00:50:59
Speaker 2: AND i don't think he knew what that. Meant and that's it's so crazy when you think about moments actually like me being here with you right, now like you don't know how much you've affected someone else's, life and even just that's why when EVER i meet someone out on a street or, WHATEVER i realize that this could be a big moment for them or or. POINT i don't know what's going on in their. Life BUT i want to make sure THAT i leave them better than you. KNOW i met, them, absolutely and that's what he. Did and actually we still talk quite a little. Bit BUT i think that it wasn't about the long term of it was it was about those little. Moments and have you ever been with someone where like you got a very specific thing from them and you knew, that like there was maybe a temptation to like keep it, going but you just let it be this special. Moment you don't do.

00:51:48
Speaker 1: THAT i am not good at keeping something simple and. Short, now want.

00:51:52
Speaker 2: You play it out until you.

00:51:55
Speaker 1: Old. PAST i, MEAN i definitely have been with People i'm trying to think. NOW i, MEAN i definitely FEEL i definitely feel like there have been people along the way where there was like a point or a message within the, relationship probably for both the purpose of, it, yeah purpose a purpose of a larger. Purpose AND i, MEAN i remember there's a time it's not in this time of the show, yet but it's coming and there's a scene that everyone. Loves i'm not gonna give it away, now but there's a scene that everyone. Loves AND i know what was going on in my personal, life and my personal life was THAT i was dating someone who for the first TIME i would, say And i'm like probably thirty five or something at that, point, right was not pushing me away saying you're too. Much and he was a person that people in my life were, like what are you? Doing you know when you have those, people people were just, like why are you going? There don't go over? There And i'm, like you don't.

00:52:53
Speaker 2: Understand That's miranda and carrying this. Episode she's like going crazy great about, right why are you still all talking to big?

00:53:01
Speaker 1: Right we're going to talk about that's love.

00:53:03
Speaker 2: It so this guy was saying you were too. Much, no he was.

00:53:05
Speaker 1: Saying THAT i wasn't too. Much he was like the first one THAT i. Liked and MY i, mean my quirks weren't ALWAYS i don't know really who knows what the problems were with, people but like you know when people want you to be.

00:53:19
Speaker 2: Less all the, time.

00:53:21
Speaker 1: Yeah like they just want you to be, less less, emotional less, intense less, NEEDY i guess, less like all the different. Things, Right and he was the first one who was, like bring it, on it's. Great AND i was, like, oh gave you, permission, yes and embraced like was into, it you know What i'm. Saying and this is someone, who like on, paper everybody was, like, no, no anyone who knew about. It at that, POINT i was keeping things to. Myself do you know WHAT i? Mean, yes, yes but it was a very important.

00:53:49
Speaker 2: Thing did it end okay with?

00:53:51
Speaker 1: Him it ends, horribly horribly definitely hardly got.

00:53:54
Speaker 2: We got something out of it.

00:53:56
Speaker 1: BECAUSE i stayed too, Long, DYLAN i stayed too.

00:53:58
Speaker 2: Long, okay you know What i'm, saying don't stay too. Right that's that didn't didn't have that part. Yet BUT i also Think i've had friends, where you, know MAYBE i don't like their partners AND i don't understand it also the same way, around AND i think we all have to live out absolutely these.

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Speaker 1: Stories we have something that we're working.

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Speaker 2: On AND i Think i've also had friends who have tried to teach me so you know what they've gone through and so THAT i don't go through. It but sometimes you got that.

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Speaker 1: Way, Yeah, no it doesn't work that. Way and that's what let's talk for a, second BECAUSE i also really didn't remember anything that goes. On part of what is so fun about rewatching is That i'm like and SOMETIMES i literally have no, memory LIKE i did not remember. That, Samantha, Sorry miranda and carry are going to run Into oh my, god we've even gotten to. That yeah, RIGHT i mean like so many, Men i'm Like, god and then they, fight they fight about it. ALL i mean, like it's super. Fascinating our show is very, interesting the highs and the.

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Speaker 2: Lows CAN i pee before we talk about? It of? Course, okay we're being really.

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Speaker 1: Quick we're gonna be and then we're gonna Rewatch The Instant Distant pastmas