May 2, 2026
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Speaker 1: Hey, I do Part two.
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Speaker 2: It's your hosts, Golden Bachelott's Joan Bassos, and I am joined by my fellow Bachelor Chapter two Gal from Bachelor National alum, Cindy Colors. Today we are going to break down all the latest news and celebrity divorces, new couplings, and Chapter two drama. Cindy, I am so excited to be covering this with you because I think we're girls from the eighties and so many of these stories are from like our generation of people, So like, let's dive into it.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely. These are all people that we know we've grown up with, and you know they're here to prove that there's no roadmap for any of us in Chapter two, whether on reality TV or in real life.
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Speaker 2: So the first story I think, I love, Do you want to do? I kick off Denise Richards. I know that we both probably loved her when we were growing up.
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Speaker 1: I love her. She's so beautiful, so lovely, and you know this is where chapter two gets real. Okay, So the headline this week is Denise Richards scores a legal victory in battle with ex Aaron Piper's over spousal support. So Denise Richards has scored another victory in her legal battle with Aaron with ex Aaron Pipers amid their ongoing divorce, Denise fifty five now and attorney Mark Grosse appeared in the Los Angeles County Court on Monday, April twenty seventh in a hearing where they discussed her request to have sensitive documents related to her finances sealed. According to court documents obtained by s Weekly, Aaron fifty three and his attorney were not present. What is she hiding? Like?
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Speaker 2: We like, I mean, like her life has been an open book and everybody knows that she got ten million from Charlie Sheen, So she's not hiding that. Like, what's she hiding? What doesn't he?
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Speaker 1: What did she want here? I just don't know that. Well, I think they're not sealed from him. I think they're sealed from us.
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Speaker 2: From us, So what is it that she's posing once.
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Speaker 1: Well, let's let me finish reading what this article says, because I think it'll be more apparent why she needs to maybe hide some of these finances. So the judge, Judge Joshua dee Wiser, granted the reality TV star's request, which was initially submitted by Denise, and her legal team by in February. February twelfth, actually inside the courthouse, Denise was asked by the California Post when her lengthy divorce with Aaron wood Or could come to an end. It's hard to tell, is what the lawyer responded. Right, So Denise isn't really saying she's keeping a lot of things private. Are you thinking that there's something that she's wanting to hide? I don't know.
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Speaker 2: It feels like there's spend a lot of time in court. If you read the rest of this article, it sounds like they've been in and out. You know, there's possibly spen some violence, There has been other things have gone on, you know, And I think about kind of when all this started, which was while she was filming Real Housewives of Beverly Hills and he was on the show with her, and you know, there was a whole scandal that she was having a physical relationship with Brandy Glanville, and so I'm like, oh, you know, I feel like there's a lot tangled in this that we don't know. And the fact that he had this possibly violent past, you know, clearly is concerning, but he's in huge denial about it.
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Speaker 1: So he's in denial, he says, you know, for the for the restraining orders against him. He said, it's not true. They're conjured. Up. I have real I have the real evidence. But Aaron was arrested in October of twenty twenty five and charged with two felony counts two not one, two felony counts related to injuring a spouse and two more felony account of felony counts related to dissuading a witness by force or threats.
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Speaker 2: So weird, what is that?
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Speaker 1: He was subsequent released on bail, but the following month, Denise was granted a permanent restraining order against him. So there has to be some allegations, you know. Unfortunately, I've had to look into some restraining orders in my past, and at least in the state of Texas, you have to have an abundance of information and abundance of threat in order to obtain a restraining order. So there must be something here, you know.
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Speaker 2: I was thinking the same thing. So I did a little more research, and I found an article that talked about Richards when she was on the stand talking about like why she needed a restraining order, and she said that she learned of these several concussions that she had. So like, she's claiming that she had several concussions, you know, caused by him. And she says that that he who he's a guy. He owns a wellness retreat, so he does he teeds people for things like this, and he had her go into a machine that he had that helps diagnose concussions, and it claims that he diagnosed these concussions, which seems very weird that he would do that knowing that, you know, possibly he's the one that caused them. Why would he then offer that to her? Seems very odd to me, Like, all this seems weird.
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Speaker 1: All of it seems weird. All of it seems like a lot of drama. I think we're all happy that they're unwinding it. But even now after the arrests and after the permanent restraining order, there's still the finances to deal with. So in December, Aaron requested spousal support from Denise, claiming that he was in debt. Us Slater confirmed in February that Denise was ordered to pay her ex five thousand each month in temporary spousal support, which five thousand a month for Denise is nothing.
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Speaker 2: Nothing, Yeah, I mean I got to guess that his wellness retreat isn't doing so well. I think it was made a little more popular when they were on Real Housewives of Verry Hills. But I think now that that is, you know that he's not on it anymore, don't. I think she's off of it now too. I'm pretty sure she's not on it anymore. That maybe his income is a little less. He's not getting the money from that. Plus he's not getting the money probably as much from his wellness retreat, especially like who's going to go to a wellness retreat after you've heard the guys silent?
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know whether this is.
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Speaker 2: True or not. It's out there in the universe now, and so maybe it's not a place that you're going to go for wellness.
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Speaker 1: And he's not the only retreat, Like we'll fight someplace else. But what's interesting is earlier this month, Denise, this is where she scored the real win in her legal battle. A judge roll that any debt collection company cannot seize any wages or other assets made by Denise in order to pay Aaron's debt.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's before he was married or during when they're married. But it makes me thinks that that he but they somehow did not merge their finances because I feel like when you're married, normally your spouse's debt is your debt also, and somehow she won that battle and they did not say that she would have to like cover his debt. So I feel like like this was maybe on shaky crown in the first place, because it sounds like they didn't have their their finances, you know, entwined.
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Speaker 1: That much, right, right, I agree. I just feel.
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Speaker 2: Thankful that their kids kind of are coming out of this hole I think. I mean, I think that she has qwo kids with Charlie Sheen. It sounds like they're all a little on the older side and they're not like still part of the household where there's violence is happening, but may have been at one time. So I just feel like, you know, always I think about the kids in these circumstances and that hopefully that they're coming out whole and they don't have any like lasting issues from this.
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Speaker 1: And you know, it stands out to me, really is with all of her presence in the world and all of her public presence, how much restraint it takes for her to older time to let her legal teams speak for her and for her to just let the legal system work. So I have to say, you know, I appreciate that she's protecting her peace, and I realize how much restraint it must take to do that. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, she'll get her day in court. But you know, I know that they don't have kids to gather, so I guess the three kids that they have, it sounds like he adopted one of them at one point. He calls himself a stepfather, and I think the other two from Charlie Sheen he has really no no tie to. But I got to guess they were living in the house sometimes when they were together, so hopefully they never saw any of these violent things happening. And I agree with you, you know, let her legal teams speak for her, because you know, she probably has a lot of motions tied up into this, and it's better. I think you're right, better doing the way she's doing it. Happy though, we have a happy.
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Speaker 1: This one really makes me think of you. This one really makes me think of you, So go ahead, why don't you leave this one out?
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Speaker 2: I would love to Lorenzo Lamas calls girlfriend Heather Locklear the most amazing woman after first public appearance together. How great is that? Like icons are now together, It's so adorable. He's gushing over his relationship with her. It sounds like he is head over heels and In an interview with Fox News Digital published on Wednesday, April one, has just a couple of days ago. Actually I'm my dad birthday renegade Alum sixty eight he's sixty eight years old, opened up about finding love with the actress sixty four, more than forty years after they first met, posting together on the cover of Playgirl magazine. Now you and I both went looked it up?
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Speaker 1: We did, we did, Lorenza lamis.
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Speaker 2: Are they cute?
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Speaker 1: Tall, They're so handsome, so handsome in a shed.
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Speaker 2: Her skinny like little waist like twenty inch waist, absolutely.
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Speaker 1: Bikini, and he's a aspeito standing behind her. It's a darling, darling photo.
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Speaker 2: So wouldn't you love for them to do one of those us then and us now, like in the same exact outfits, because they're both in great shape still. They both look so so so good, like them then and them now, with the same outfits on like in the exact same pose. I bet that would be I'm in for it, Nick. Someone needs to tell them they have to do that and put it.
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Speaker 1: Out because well, you just did, Joe, you just did.
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Speaker 2: Somebody's listening. I think it would be such a good Could you imagine reconnecting with someone after forty years, I mean they've had a lot of history in those forty years.
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Speaker 1: Well, Lorenzo actually says, the short answer is no. He told the outlet when he was asked if it whatever would happen, he said, I mean, I've been through a lot of trial and error and she's the most amazing woman that I think I've ever met. And he has been through it. He's been in and out of quite a few relationship.
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Speaker 2: Well, you know, and there's a part of me that goes, well, there's a little bit of a red flag here that maybe she ought to like maybe paying attention to it. Now, she's had her own share of husbands and kids and I mean everybody she's pretty famous for with you know, Richie's Ambora, and then she had Tommy Lee.
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Speaker 1: Tommy Lee, she's.
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Speaker 2: Had kids with I think just with with Richie's Ambora, right. I think she only has kids with him, but she was engaged to Chris Heiser. I don't know who Chris Heiser is, but I know that she's engaged, but they split up. But when you look at Lorenzo, I think I counted his relationships. I think most of them were marriages. One was just a relationship. I think we have seven, so I think they both liked to couple a lot.
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Speaker 1: So okay, here, there's two ways to see it. We could either wave the red flag on this one, or we could say after seven relationships that you would still be open to finding the love of your life. You know. I think that's how I'm going to choose to see it.
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Speaker 2: I think that he's saying that it's been a lot of trial and error, is what he says. And after a lot of trial and error, I found the right person. And I hope that's right, because I think we love this couple and it makes us all happy and we want to see it work out. And I hope that all those previous relationships that he's been through. He probably has no money left, though I hope nobody got speusal support because he's going to be really poor at this point.
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Speaker 1: If that happened. Well, maybe he could make some money on a new photo, a new Playgirl cover.
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Speaker 2: Oh my god, how cute with that? Is Playgirls in a business? I don't think it's even in business anymore.
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Speaker 1: I don't know, and I don't know, I don't know. I have to say this, this resurgence of love is fantastic, and to have it, you know, it's timing is everything. And who knows what would have happened if they had met and continued a relationship after they took that photo.
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Speaker 2: Okay, so there would be a lot of I feel like, like relationships that would have never happened. I mean, but and she's so famous for her like the bad boys that she loved to couple up with, and he's just like not a bad boy. He's a lover. Clearly, he's been married. He's a huge, serious relationship seven times so over the years. So we're I think we're both so happy for them, and we're ready, we're putting out into the universe. We want to see that picture again.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, I'm in. I'm in for it for sure. So well, this next one I think is right up my alley. So if you wouldn't mind, I would like to take a leave on this. I love it because General Hospitals. Cameron Matheson so hot. He has tall blue eyes. I love him. He's adorable and he's been dating and I love his perspective. You just shared a quick glimpse of his dating life after divorce from Vanessa Matheson and after three years of being single, he says, I have been dating. He's now fifty six, and he shared this exclusively with US Weekly while attending Jenny Gar's iHeart podcast I Choose Me, which is fabulous. It'd a live summit on Saturday. And the whole app world is new to him. He said, it's the whole new world. It's a whole like the vocabulary is different, the timing is different. If you had been married for twenty three years or twenty two years. In his gaze and then hop out into the apps, yeah, your head is whirling. And I thought that his honesty in this was so precious.
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Speaker 2: It's so cute. Can you imagine though, if you're on the app that he's on and he pops up, why didn't you just die?
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Speaker 1: If you like, excuse me? Is this?
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Speaker 2: I know?
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Speaker 1: It's so funny. He made a lot of white ride on that one.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he made a lot of women really well.
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Speaker 1: And I love that. He says later in the article in his interview, is trying to distract myself from a broken heart. I met a lot of amazing people particular that became like a more committed sort of situation. But at the same time, I hadn't been ready for anything more serious. And this level of self awareness, I think is so refreshing and so rare.
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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean he had a broken heart, she broke up with him. He did break up with her, and so he was healing. He dipped his toe kind of in the dating world. And you know, and I think you and I've both been like on the app or on an app. I was on an app.
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Speaker 1: On a TV show to look for and then there's.
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Speaker 2: That national TV and I for one of us. Yeah, well, it could still work. Thatcher works in funny ways. Your journey isn't over yet. But I do feel like, you know, he dipped his toe in the app world. I feel like he has opportunities to meet people out in the real world. I mean, he's out there. He has probably a pretty rich and exciting life, and he doesn't I don't think it has to go on the apps. And I think that he's going to meet somebody really amazing, and you know, I wish him the best, and I hope he's healing, you know, most of all, he can heal and then move on to a new relationship, because I feel like he sounds like a really you know, sweet person. I mean, he talks about that he's diving into it with kindness and respect for each other, and like what a good guy.
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Speaker 1: And the way he talks about his ex wife and the focus that he puts on his kids and created a new family. While it's not the family that he wanted perhaps or that he thought he would be, you know, involved in, he's still so supportive of the family that he created. And I just loved this for him. It's kind of, I mean a little bit my story that you know, I didn't really want my divorce. It's not the family that I wanted. And yet you know, here we are, chapter two and let's just you know, move into it, make the best of it, and try to be super positive.
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Speaker 2: And I think it'd be great. I think he's such a positive message. Anybody wants to check that out. It's on the Choose Me podcast Jenny Garth's, and he actually even speaks to one of our Bachelor alums. He speaks with Ben Hinkott, so check that out. I think it's worth checking out. He seems like a really, really a dorble man. We've known him because he's super handsome, and now he's also a really good guy, so check him out.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would have him in my tribe for sure. What a what a great person to have around. Maybe I'll go try to find him when I go to La next and see my daughter. Go find him, girl. We got to figure that one him. He's not ready for anything serious, so we'll just be friends for a while. But he would be you know, he's just you know, he's just sounds like a great guy. And it made a great place in this chapter two for him.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, and it sounds like the way he's acting with his kids. There's also really you know, I keep going back to the kids. You know, there's so many of these Hollywood relationships don't work out and you think the kids are their real victims. Sounds like they have a really like good parenting style and for these kids. So I love that after hearing all the terrible bad ones that we hear for, you know, so often. That makes me happy that they have figured it out and doing a good job.
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Speaker 1: Well, speaking of kids, we've got to talk about the Kardashians because Chloe and Chris kind of made some news this week, and Chris Jenner reveals why, you know, whether she would marry her boyfriend Corey Gamble someday. And you know this kind is right up here, Allie, Joan, I should let you take the lead on this, so you get a lot of questions.
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Speaker 2: You get that all the time, and I love her answer. It hits really close to home. First of all, they met in Abiza like ten years ago, and you know, I always wondered what he did. Always see Hi kind of in the background in the on the kid our Kardashian shows, and I really like had no idea, Like he just appeared one day. I felt like I didn't really know how it happened. It turns out he was a talent manager and he was he actually worked with Justin Bieber, so he's a big guy and he is not hurting, okay. I kind of felt like he was maybe writing on Chris Jender's coatails a little bit he is. His net worth is supposedly fifteen million dollars, so I feel like he's doing okay on his own. Who doesn't need her. She certainly doesn't need him, but they are a happy couple. And I feel like, at this stage of our lives, and I'm just going to give you my opinion, there is no reason to get married unless unless, like that's an important thing to you, And it doesn't sound like it is to her. She's not counting it out, she's not saying I'm not doing it, but she's also saying, you know, do I need to? She was on the podcast with her daughter, and you know, when they asked about future wedding bells, she was just like, you know, no or you never know. She wasn't given a positive answer, she wasn't given a negative answer. She and then Chloe says, you know, you don't need to get married to get mom, Like, what's the reason we're not, you know, starting a family again.
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Speaker 1: So it was such a cute moment. I think that, you know, having Chloe step in and say, you know, mom, this is not what you need and it's not what any of the girls need, but if it's what you want and Chris just was charming about it. She's like, you never know, I'm full of surprises. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And she didn't want to didn't really answer for him, like she they said, you know, do you think he wants to get rid? And she's like, I don't know, you got it, you have to ask him. That pretty amazing marriages in her life. She had Robert Kardashian first, and then she you know, she had Caitlyn Jenner, so I mean, and she has a lot of kids, and she has a really rich life. And just having a partner, like you don't have to marry a partner to have a partner that's with you forever, you know, I think I have that, and maybe we'll get married, maybe we won't, but I don't feel like he's going to leave if I don't marry him. And I'm not leaving him if I don't marry him, so I'm sure. And also like when you're this well known and maybe this wealthy, like it might be hard figuring out the legal stuff. So just by having her and having a person in your life, you don't have to marry them.
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Speaker 1: Well, it was in their interview that I thought was really cute. Every time I go on Facebook. I see a picture of you and Chalk and it's all AI and either you're married, or you're breaking up or you've Yeah, it's just so funny to see the AI photos of you and Chloe and her mom. And Chloe and Chris talk about the AI photos. And Chris saw and AI photo of the girls at a working at a restaurant. She called him and goes, when was this? And the mom that was AI. She's like, oh, okay, what are trying to remember it?
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Speaker 2: It's always AI and and you know, the social media comes out with a story just because they want people to look at the social media. And I mean, I've been dead, I've been married, I've been we've broken up. You know, there's been so many things, and we're just a teeny little person in this universe. They are so much bigger, so their stories are always bigger. There's more of them, happens all the time. So I guess if they got married it would stop those stories. But I feel like they are kind of beyond that now. I mean, Chris did say that they don't really bother her anymore, and she says, you know, at one time they did, but now she's kind of over it, and I kind of feel the same way.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you feel the same way. It doesn't bother you when you hear the rumors that you guys are broken up or that I was dead.
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Speaker 2: The one I said I was dead really did kind of.
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Speaker 1: That's a hard one.
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Speaker 2: I was like, it had like a picture of me, and it had like my beginning date and my end date. Like I was like, oh, that's kind of like hits a little close to home.
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Speaker 1: That beats mine. I had one that my son died, oh, which works terrible, But I don't have a son. I don't have a son, So I didn't take it personally, but if you know, it would it would have been very hard to hear I was dead or my kids weren't dead.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that was It was a little weird. So I think, you know, the breakup rumors, I almost feel like everybody when you hear those, you almost double check them. Now they're so common. Everybody's broken up or together or whatever.
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Speaker 1: Well this rumor, this rumor is about them getting married. So I'm gonna have to keep checking on you and chalk to see if the rumors are real.
00:21:39
Speaker 2: Just call me a girl.
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Speaker 1: You don't have Okay.
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Speaker 2: I feel like the next story though, we watched this whole thing play out on TV, so we know it's real and this is a Valley star Michelle and I don't know exactly how to say her name, SINAI just three seven. I think we all know who she is. If you watch The Valley, you know exactly who she.
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Speaker 1: Is, because she was.
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Speaker 2: She's been a big storyline throughout the last three seasons. She's thirty seven. And the story, though, is a good one that she and doctor Dre sixty one are holding hands in public, and that there are rumors now that they are dating. Now this comes all on the heels of her kind of whole story playing out on the Valley with her now I think he's now ex husband Jesse, but everybody loves Okay, So she's kind of been out there in the news more than once. You see her coupling up with people here and there. There's been rumors that she had an affair while she was.
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Speaker 1: On the Valley.
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Speaker 2: He also had an affair. Supposedly, she gets around.
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Speaker 1: I love that.
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Speaker 2: I'm just a little surprised about doctor Dre. What do you think?
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Speaker 1: Well, and maybe she's auditioning for age of attraction. You don't know, but I will tell you this. Nobody goes to Nobu with someone of the opposite gender and holds hand hands with them as you leave and expects that to be silent. So I think there's a little story of the pot here somehow. But you know, you know you're going to be caught by the paparazzi at Nobu, absolutely.
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Speaker 2: I mean they're right in the middle of la and they're both very well known. I mean, she's been a big storyline on the valley and he is obviously just a star in his own right. I think that it's their age difference is a little shocking for me. I think that I wonder if both of them this is a relationship of convenience, because they want to be out in the public, they want the paparazzi maybe taking their pictures. I mean, I kind of feel like they would feel like they would come out in a different way.
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Speaker 1: I think that's well. It is kind of a classic Chapter two move though, kind of unexpected pairings. When you tried something and it didn't work, so why not go kind of far away from what you tried and see if that's really what was meant to be so good for them.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, so I don't know how they met. I don't know if I had to do with her real estate career. Okay, so she's outside of her reality TV, which is pretty popular on She's a luxury real estate agent who specializes in multimillion dollar properties in La So rubbing elbows with the rich and famous is nothing new for her. And as for doctor Dre, his romantic history includes his headline making marriage and divorce from Nicole Young. They tied the knot in May nineteen ninety six before splitting in twenty twenty. Young received a one hundred million dollars settlement. Again, her romantic life has been a storyline on The Valley, but she's also, you know, kind of been around. She's dated Aaron Nosler, though they parted ways in the summer of twenty twenty five. Meanwhile, let's see Meanwhile Lalie has been in a relationship with his girlfriend Lacey Nicole and Orange County socialite who made a brave debut in the Valley. And I did watch that one, and I really actually liked it. So Jesse's dating a girl and he's kind of trying to push her a little bit onto Michelle because they have kids, and he's pretty serious with her, and he really wants Michelle and her to be good friends. And they end up on a show together at a party, and Jesse is kind of pushing his now pretty serious girlfriend on to Michelle. So I feel like Michelle needs to like part ways with that whole thing and let Jesse do his thing and they have, you know, a kid together, But I don't think that she needs to be part of his other relationship. And she's good do or anything.
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Speaker 1: So good for you, good for you, go and doctor Dre and go to NOBU with doctor Dre. Absolutely it's a good option.
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Speaker 2: But you know, I do think we have to look at Like her most recent quote, and it said earlier this month, she told BravoTV dot com that she was on the market. I am not dating anybody, but I'm open to it whatever whenever that time comes. So kind of gives you a hint that maybe that was hype, I don't know, or maybe it was a quickie, like, you know, let's go out on a date. See how it works. We're gonna walk out, we're gonna be holding hands. Oops, they caught us, And now it's a story, but it doesn't sound.
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Speaker 1: She's share but she ends her quote which she's single and ready to mingle, and so you would think that if she's single, ready to mingle, that she wouldn't be in a relationship. So I don't know which way to take it. We better stay tuned on this one.
00:26:14
Speaker 2: I know, I think we should. I think that GMZ should be sticking out near doctor Drey's house in now her house and getting the real scoop for us because they're the ones who break it.
00:26:23
Speaker 1: Sounds perfect, okay, Well, our final headline is where Keith Urban stands with his and Nicole Kidman's daughter's post divorce. And this one breaks my heart and I know it does for you too.
00:26:45
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean I remember the day that they announced that they were splitting up. Do you remember that day. It's like one of those things that sticks in my mind because they were one of the few iconic Hollywood couples that had made it, Like I had no doubt that their marriage was great, Like there was never a doubt in my mind that they were not going to be together forever. And I'm trying to figure out how this unraveled, and I don't think we know very much, but it's pretty shocking that he doesn't have a relationship with his daughters right now. And that is like the weirdest part of this for me, because I felt like she would take care even if they divorced, she would take care of him, he would take care of her. They always seem to be so kind to each other, so this seems right to me.
00:27:31
Speaker 1: And they have two daughters. They share two daughters, Sunday Rose who's seventeen, and Faith Margaret at fifteen. Those are tough ages anyway, and evidently Nichole's she was awarded primary custody of the girls when the divorce happened, and he has granted every other weekend with the girls.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not super surprised that she was awarded that because I think he travels a time. I mean, he's in concert, so I feel like he travels well.
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Speaker 1: And honestly, at that age, like we used to say that once you get your driver's license, that determines custody, So.
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Speaker 2: I so agree. I mean, seventeen and fifteen, they're old. You know what's the kind of most distressing. First of all, I mean, he says he's very distraught over the situation. He loves these girls, but they are so angry at him, and they're blaming him, the insider said, and it said, I don't even think this is Nicole painting a narrative. This is the girls coming to the conclusion on their own.
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Speaker 1: That's hard, you know, and dads are so important in the lives of girls their that relationship is you know, relationship with parents in general, but in particular, father with a daughter is such an important relationship. Let's hope they can patch it up. But you know, honestly, on the other side, the girls are allowed to have the feelings that they have.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I really worry that. I feel like the father relationship is really important no matter what. And I worry that they are fairly immature. They're fifteen and seventeen. They don't have adult brain yet, and they are making a decision that could be almost irreversible like this, like once you stop speaking. Every day that you don't speak makes the gap even wider, and it makes it harder to then bridge the gap to speaking again or to having a relationship again. And I feel like these parents need to help these girls out figure this out in a better way, because I think one day, they're going to be bitter. There could be remorseful. I feel like this is this could cause real emotional damage to them by making this decision. I feel like they're being fifteen and seventeen year old girls that are pissed off, and they need to have a healthier view of this for their future. And I think maybe they need some therapy.
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Speaker 1: Maybe Keith needs to go talk to Cameron and kind of compare notes and see how Cameron has decided to keep the family together, and maybe Keith can learn a little bit of something from him.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just just really distressing the kids. The kids part of all of these stories. When there's kids involved, I feel really distressed for them. So I hope they figured this out. I think that we all love both Keith and Nicole and you know, I hope that this they get this figured out. Yeah, before the kids, you know, get more damage. There's more damage on the.
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Speaker 1: Kids right right. I don't think Keith is going anywhere, though, I think he would welcome a text or a call from them at any time. So there's still there's still hope.
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Speaker 2: The one word answers they were giving them, boy, I can imagine like card that is on him. Yeah, makes you wonder what happened there.
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Speaker 1: I don't think we know the whole story, and you know, they're mad, and they they know more than we do, and so they're mad about something and they just want they'll work through it, So we'll do it. They have two very loving, supportive parents, and you.
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Speaker 2: Know what, I think they're probably blaming them because I think I read in this article that Nicole did not want the divorce, it he suggested it, and that she when they first separated, she hoped that they would reconcile. So I think this continued down a bad road, and I think I bet the daughters are blaming him.
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Speaker 1: Well, if there's one takeaway for chapter two, it's we don't get things perfect, but let's just hope we all find what's right for us in the end. But certainly this chap or two can be fairly messy.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know the celebs, they do it all in public, so makes it harder, makes it hard on the family, It makes it hard on the kids. I particularly feel for the realities stars that do this on TV because you watch it unwined week by week. Fortunately, some of these are a little more private, like the Keith Urban and Nicole Kidman one seems to be a lot more private, but this seems like it's out and open now with the kids. So I'm sorry for those for the girls.
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Speaker 1: I agreed, completely agreed, and I'm just really happy that none of my dates have been on TMS has caught me holding hands coming out of NOBU. I know, you know that that privacy, You know that privacy is important, and even for people who choose the public lawe sometimes when it gets messy, it's it would be nice to have a little bit more privacy.
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Speaker 2: And it was even casual relationships. I mean, we were looking at doctor Dre, you know, and Michelle and I could have just been one date, or they could have walked out grabbed each other's hands as they were walking to the car, just in fun, and it became a big story. So you never really know. Yeah, even innocent handholding can end up being I mean, I remember I was sitting in a pool a couple of weeks ago with Carry Futman, who was my stylist from the you know Bachelor, you know Carry thatman.
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Speaker 1: I love Carrie. He's gay, and I was.
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Speaker 2: Like sitting on a lounge with him, like we were like cuddling. I mean, he's just like one of my dearest friends. But like people could have thought something about this, but there was nothing to think.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that would have caused some real issues on Facebook. We didn't even have to ai that seriously.
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Speaker 2: There, I was like cuddling with Carrie Fatman on a lounge chair and easy. But you know, I guess you have to be really careful. It's funny one I talked to Chalk sometimes, you know, people come up. Women come up to him all the time and ask to take pictures. You know, this bachelor world is a little bit of a women dominator world. I rarely get men saying can I take a picture with you? It's always women. But he has the same thing. It's women want to take picture with him. And he said, I always worry that people someone's going to take one of those pictures and say, oh, Chalk was at a scene at a bar in Wichita, Kansas with another woman. And you know, so anything can happen. I mean, people can look at a picture and you know, make up a story about it. That's that's totally not true.
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Speaker 1: Has it changed what type of picture you will take? He has? Will he stopped putting his arm around. You know, there's that soccer player who won't be photographed touching another woman. Yeah, I really respect that, but you know that's kind of extreme for you know, our world.
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Speaker 2: Thanks start. I mean, the fact that even pops into his brain that he needs to be careful about that is a little screwed up, right. I mean, you know, he's out in this world. It's you know, bachelor world is a lot of women, and he's recognized, especially in his hometown, and people ask for pictures and he has to be really careful or he he's sitting at a bar and a woman sits next to him. A lot of times he won't stay. He will like move down, or he'll like somehow make sure that he has a man closed room or whatever, because you know, anything could be construed from that. I have a really, really, really good male friend here in Maryland, like one of my he's actually my plastic surgeon. He's one of my dearest friends in the world. I've known for like thirty years, and he and I go out to dinner, I mean like once a month just to catch up. I know his kids, he knows my family. He celebrates holidays with my family. We are just really really really dear friends. But I wonder every once in a while if somebody took a picture of us, it would look odd. So maybe that's the whole case with Michelle and doctor Dre. You know, just it was an innocent meeting that ended up, you know, it was really nothing, but people made a headline out of it.
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Speaker 1: Back in the day, I was in my twenties and I worked for a very conservative company, General Electric, and Jack Weltch at the time was our CEO, and he made a point like, if whatever you're doing can be put on the front page of the Walls Journal and judged in a certain way, maybe you should consider not doing it. And from that moment on I really reconsidered. You know, I've been in sales my whole life. How do you handle when you're out to dinner out entertaining a customer? And so I made a choice back then to never be one on one with me and another man. Didn't matter who it was, could have been my friend, could have been a customer, I still invited a third person. And after my divorce, I've rethought that I think it's not such a bad idea because it could give your guests the wrong opinion. It could be a wrong impression for other people watching you. But yeah, I don't know. If doctor Dre wanted to hold my hand leaving NOBU, I don't think I would refuse him.
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Speaker 2: Think I would either, I don't know. I mean holding in is maybe a little more contact than what you would have dinner. Yeah, but I mean the age different is so big. I mean, I wonder if she's thinking, oh, no, one's going to think we're together. You know, he's like my father, he's like my father's age. But you know people do because that's no you know, that happens. And now in Hollywood a lot there is old and young couplings.
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Speaker 1: All the time, all the time. You know.
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Speaker 2: I love that. Well, that was a lot to break down, though. Slubs are going through a lot in their chapter two, just like everyone else, just like us. Are you in chapter two and finding out it's a lot harder than you thought it would be. We're here to help. Send us an email or leave us a voicemail all that infos in our show notes, follow us on socials too, please.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'd like to know. We want to hear from We want to hear from you. Guys, this is not an easy chapter to navigate and if you have questions, if you have a response, let us hear from you.
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Speaker 2: Yeah I Do. Part two an iHeartRadio podcast where falling in love is the main objective
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Speaker 2: It's your hosts, Golden Bachelott's Joan Bassos, and I am joined by my fellow Bachelor Chapter two Gal from Bachelor National alum, Cindy Colors. Today we are going to break down all the latest news and celebrity divorces, new couplings, and Chapter two drama. Cindy, I am so excited to be covering this with you because I think we're girls from the eighties and so many of these stories are from like our generation of people, So like, let's dive into it.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely. These are all people that we know we've grown up with, and you know they're here to prove that there's no roadmap for any of us in Chapter two, whether on reality TV or in real life.
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Speaker 2: So the first story I think, I love, Do you want to do? I kick off Denise Richards. I know that we both probably loved her when we were growing up.
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Speaker 1: I love her. She's so beautiful, so lovely, and you know this is where chapter two gets real. Okay, So the headline this week is Denise Richards scores a legal victory in battle with ex Aaron Piper's over spousal support. So Denise Richards has scored another victory in her legal battle with Aaron with ex Aaron Pipers amid their ongoing divorce, Denise fifty five now and attorney Mark Grosse appeared in the Los Angeles County Court on Monday, April twenty seventh in a hearing where they discussed her request to have sensitive documents related to her finances sealed. According to court documents obtained by s Weekly, Aaron fifty three and his attorney were not present. What is she hiding? Like?
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Speaker 2: We like, I mean, like her life has been an open book and everybody knows that she got ten million from Charlie Sheen, So she's not hiding that. Like, what's she hiding? What doesn't he?
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Speaker 1: What did she want here? I just don't know that. Well, I think they're not sealed from him. I think they're sealed from us.
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Speaker 2: From us, So what is it that she's posing once.
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Speaker 1: Well, let's let me finish reading what this article says, because I think it'll be more apparent why she needs to maybe hide some of these finances. So the judge, Judge Joshua dee Wiser, granted the reality TV star's request, which was initially submitted by Denise, and her legal team by in February. February twelfth, actually inside the courthouse, Denise was asked by the California Post when her lengthy divorce with Aaron wood Or could come to an end. It's hard to tell, is what the lawyer responded. Right, So Denise isn't really saying she's keeping a lot of things private. Are you thinking that there's something that she's wanting to hide? I don't know.
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Speaker 2: It feels like there's spend a lot of time in court. If you read the rest of this article, it sounds like they've been in and out. You know, there's possibly spen some violence, There has been other things have gone on, you know, And I think about kind of when all this started, which was while she was filming Real Housewives of Beverly Hills and he was on the show with her, and you know, there was a whole scandal that she was having a physical relationship with Brandy Glanville, and so I'm like, oh, you know, I feel like there's a lot tangled in this that we don't know. And the fact that he had this possibly violent past, you know, clearly is concerning, but he's in huge denial about it.
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Speaker 1: So he's in denial, he says, you know, for the for the restraining orders against him. He said, it's not true. They're conjured. Up. I have real I have the real evidence. But Aaron was arrested in October of twenty twenty five and charged with two felony counts two not one, two felony counts related to injuring a spouse and two more felony account of felony counts related to dissuading a witness by force or threats.
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Speaker 2: So weird, what is that?
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Speaker 1: He was subsequent released on bail, but the following month, Denise was granted a permanent restraining order against him. So there has to be some allegations, you know. Unfortunately, I've had to look into some restraining orders in my past, and at least in the state of Texas, you have to have an abundance of information and abundance of threat in order to obtain a restraining order. So there must be something here, you know.
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Speaker 2: I was thinking the same thing. So I did a little more research, and I found an article that talked about Richards when she was on the stand talking about like why she needed a restraining order, and she said that she learned of these several concussions that she had. So like, she's claiming that she had several concussions, you know, caused by him. And she says that that he who he's a guy. He owns a wellness retreat, so he does he teeds people for things like this, and he had her go into a machine that he had that helps diagnose concussions, and it claims that he diagnosed these concussions, which seems very weird that he would do that knowing that, you know, possibly he's the one that caused them. Why would he then offer that to her? Seems very odd to me, Like, all this seems weird.
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Speaker 1: All of it seems weird. All of it seems like a lot of drama. I think we're all happy that they're unwinding it. But even now after the arrests and after the permanent restraining order, there's still the finances to deal with. So in December, Aaron requested spousal support from Denise, claiming that he was in debt. Us Slater confirmed in February that Denise was ordered to pay her ex five thousand each month in temporary spousal support, which five thousand a month for Denise is nothing.
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Speaker 2: Nothing, Yeah, I mean I got to guess that his wellness retreat isn't doing so well. I think it was made a little more popular when they were on Real Housewives of Verry Hills. But I think now that that is, you know that he's not on it anymore, don't. I think she's off of it now too. I'm pretty sure she's not on it anymore. That maybe his income is a little less. He's not getting the money from that. Plus he's not getting the money probably as much from his wellness retreat, especially like who's going to go to a wellness retreat after you've heard the guys silent?
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know whether this is.
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Speaker 2: True or not. It's out there in the universe now, and so maybe it's not a place that you're going to go for wellness.
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Speaker 1: And he's not the only retreat, Like we'll fight someplace else. But what's interesting is earlier this month, Denise, this is where she scored the real win in her legal battle. A judge roll that any debt collection company cannot seize any wages or other assets made by Denise in order to pay Aaron's debt.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's before he was married or during when they're married. But it makes me thinks that that he but they somehow did not merge their finances because I feel like when you're married, normally your spouse's debt is your debt also, and somehow she won that battle and they did not say that she would have to like cover his debt. So I feel like like this was maybe on shaky crown in the first place, because it sounds like they didn't have their their finances, you know, entwined.
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Speaker 1: That much, right, right, I agree. I just feel.
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Speaker 2: Thankful that their kids kind of are coming out of this hole I think. I mean, I think that she has qwo kids with Charlie Sheen. It sounds like they're all a little on the older side and they're not like still part of the household where there's violence is happening, but may have been at one time. So I just feel like, you know, always I think about the kids in these circumstances and that hopefully that they're coming out whole and they don't have any like lasting issues from this.
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Speaker 1: And you know, it stands out to me, really is with all of her presence in the world and all of her public presence, how much restraint it takes for her to older time to let her legal teams speak for her and for her to just let the legal system work. So I have to say, you know, I appreciate that she's protecting her peace, and I realize how much restraint it must take to do that. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, she'll get her day in court. But you know, I know that they don't have kids to gather, so I guess the three kids that they have, it sounds like he adopted one of them at one point. He calls himself a stepfather, and I think the other two from Charlie Sheen he has really no no tie to. But I got to guess they were living in the house sometimes when they were together, so hopefully they never saw any of these violent things happening. And I agree with you, you know, let her legal teams speak for her, because you know, she probably has a lot of motions tied up into this, and it's better. I think you're right, better doing the way she's doing it. Happy though, we have a happy.
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Speaker 1: This one really makes me think of you. This one really makes me think of you, So go ahead, why don't you leave this one out?
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Speaker 2: I would love to Lorenzo Lamas calls girlfriend Heather Locklear the most amazing woman after first public appearance together. How great is that? Like icons are now together, It's so adorable. He's gushing over his relationship with her. It sounds like he is head over heels and In an interview with Fox News Digital published on Wednesday, April one, has just a couple of days ago. Actually I'm my dad birthday renegade Alum sixty eight he's sixty eight years old, opened up about finding love with the actress sixty four, more than forty years after they first met, posting together on the cover of Playgirl magazine. Now you and I both went looked it up?
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Speaker 1: We did, we did, Lorenza lamis.
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Speaker 2: Are they cute?
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Speaker 1: Tall, They're so handsome, so handsome in a shed.
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Speaker 2: Her skinny like little waist like twenty inch waist, absolutely.
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Speaker 1: Bikini, and he's a aspeito standing behind her. It's a darling, darling photo.
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Speaker 2: So wouldn't you love for them to do one of those us then and us now, like in the same exact outfits, because they're both in great shape still. They both look so so so good, like them then and them now, with the same outfits on like in the exact same pose. I bet that would be I'm in for it, Nick. Someone needs to tell them they have to do that and put it.
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Speaker 1: Out because well, you just did, Joe, you just did.
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Speaker 2: Somebody's listening. I think it would be such a good Could you imagine reconnecting with someone after forty years, I mean they've had a lot of history in those forty years.
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Speaker 1: Well, Lorenzo actually says, the short answer is no. He told the outlet when he was asked if it whatever would happen, he said, I mean, I've been through a lot of trial and error and she's the most amazing woman that I think I've ever met. And he has been through it. He's been in and out of quite a few relationship.
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Speaker 2: Well, you know, and there's a part of me that goes, well, there's a little bit of a red flag here that maybe she ought to like maybe paying attention to it. Now, she's had her own share of husbands and kids and I mean everybody she's pretty famous for with you know, Richie's Ambora, and then she had Tommy Lee.
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Speaker 1: Tommy Lee, she's.
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Speaker 2: Had kids with I think just with with Richie's Ambora, right. I think she only has kids with him, but she was engaged to Chris Heiser. I don't know who Chris Heiser is, but I know that she's engaged, but they split up. But when you look at Lorenzo, I think I counted his relationships. I think most of them were marriages. One was just a relationship. I think we have seven, so I think they both liked to couple a lot.
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Speaker 1: So okay, here, there's two ways to see it. We could either wave the red flag on this one, or we could say after seven relationships that you would still be open to finding the love of your life. You know. I think that's how I'm going to choose to see it.
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Speaker 2: I think that he's saying that it's been a lot of trial and error, is what he says. And after a lot of trial and error, I found the right person. And I hope that's right, because I think we love this couple and it makes us all happy and we want to see it work out. And I hope that all those previous relationships that he's been through. He probably has no money left, though I hope nobody got speusal support because he's going to be really poor at this point.
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Speaker 1: If that happened. Well, maybe he could make some money on a new photo, a new Playgirl cover.
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Speaker 2: Oh my god, how cute with that? Is Playgirls in a business? I don't think it's even in business anymore.
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Speaker 1: I don't know, and I don't know, I don't know. I have to say this, this resurgence of love is fantastic, and to have it, you know, it's timing is everything. And who knows what would have happened if they had met and continued a relationship after they took that photo.
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Speaker 2: Okay, so there would be a lot of I feel like, like relationships that would have never happened. I mean, but and she's so famous for her like the bad boys that she loved to couple up with, and he's just like not a bad boy. He's a lover. Clearly, he's been married. He's a huge, serious relationship seven times so over the years. So we're I think we're both so happy for them, and we're ready, we're putting out into the universe. We want to see that picture again.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, I'm in. I'm in for it for sure. So well, this next one I think is right up my alley. So if you wouldn't mind, I would like to take a leave on this. I love it because General Hospitals. Cameron Matheson so hot. He has tall blue eyes. I love him. He's adorable and he's been dating and I love his perspective. You just shared a quick glimpse of his dating life after divorce from Vanessa Matheson and after three years of being single, he says, I have been dating. He's now fifty six, and he shared this exclusively with US Weekly while attending Jenny Gar's iHeart podcast I Choose Me, which is fabulous. It'd a live summit on Saturday. And the whole app world is new to him. He said, it's the whole new world. It's a whole like the vocabulary is different, the timing is different. If you had been married for twenty three years or twenty two years. In his gaze and then hop out into the apps, yeah, your head is whirling. And I thought that his honesty in this was so precious.
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Speaker 2: It's so cute. Can you imagine though, if you're on the app that he's on and he pops up, why didn't you just die?
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Speaker 1: If you like, excuse me? Is this?
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Speaker 2: I know?
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Speaker 1: It's so funny. He made a lot of white ride on that one.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he made a lot of women really well.
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Speaker 1: And I love that. He says later in the article in his interview, is trying to distract myself from a broken heart. I met a lot of amazing people particular that became like a more committed sort of situation. But at the same time, I hadn't been ready for anything more serious. And this level of self awareness, I think is so refreshing and so rare.
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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean he had a broken heart, she broke up with him. He did break up with her, and so he was healing. He dipped his toe kind of in the dating world. And you know, and I think you and I've both been like on the app or on an app. I was on an app.
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Speaker 1: On a TV show to look for and then there's.
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Speaker 2: That national TV and I for one of us. Yeah, well, it could still work. Thatcher works in funny ways. Your journey isn't over yet. But I do feel like, you know, he dipped his toe in the app world. I feel like he has opportunities to meet people out in the real world. I mean, he's out there. He has probably a pretty rich and exciting life, and he doesn't I don't think it has to go on the apps. And I think that he's going to meet somebody really amazing, and you know, I wish him the best, and I hope he's healing, you know, most of all, he can heal and then move on to a new relationship, because I feel like he sounds like a really you know, sweet person. I mean, he talks about that he's diving into it with kindness and respect for each other, and like what a good guy.
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Speaker 1: And the way he talks about his ex wife and the focus that he puts on his kids and created a new family. While it's not the family that he wanted perhaps or that he thought he would be, you know, involved in, he's still so supportive of the family that he created. And I just loved this for him. It's kind of, I mean a little bit my story that you know, I didn't really want my divorce. It's not the family that I wanted. And yet you know, here we are, chapter two and let's just you know, move into it, make the best of it, and try to be super positive.
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Speaker 2: And I think it'd be great. I think he's such a positive message. Anybody wants to check that out. It's on the Choose Me podcast Jenny Garth's, and he actually even speaks to one of our Bachelor alums. He speaks with Ben Hinkott, so check that out. I think it's worth checking out. He seems like a really, really a dorble man. We've known him because he's super handsome, and now he's also a really good guy, so check him out.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would have him in my tribe for sure. What a what a great person to have around. Maybe I'll go try to find him when I go to La next and see my daughter. Go find him, girl. We got to figure that one him. He's not ready for anything serious, so we'll just be friends for a while. But he would be you know, he's just you know, he's just sounds like a great guy. And it made a great place in this chapter two for him.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, and it sounds like the way he's acting with his kids. There's also really you know, I keep going back to the kids. You know, there's so many of these Hollywood relationships don't work out and you think the kids are their real victims. Sounds like they have a really like good parenting style and for these kids. So I love that after hearing all the terrible bad ones that we hear for, you know, so often. That makes me happy that they have figured it out and doing a good job.
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Speaker 1: Well, speaking of kids, we've got to talk about the Kardashians because Chloe and Chris kind of made some news this week, and Chris Jenner reveals why, you know, whether she would marry her boyfriend Corey Gamble someday. And you know this kind is right up here, Allie, Joan, I should let you take the lead on this, so you get a lot of questions.
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Speaker 2: You get that all the time, and I love her answer. It hits really close to home. First of all, they met in Abiza like ten years ago, and you know, I always wondered what he did. Always see Hi kind of in the background in the on the kid our Kardashian shows, and I really like had no idea, Like he just appeared one day. I felt like I didn't really know how it happened. It turns out he was a talent manager and he was he actually worked with Justin Bieber, so he's a big guy and he is not hurting, okay. I kind of felt like he was maybe writing on Chris Jender's coatails a little bit he is. His net worth is supposedly fifteen million dollars, so I feel like he's doing okay on his own. Who doesn't need her. She certainly doesn't need him, but they are a happy couple. And I feel like, at this stage of our lives, and I'm just going to give you my opinion, there is no reason to get married unless unless, like that's an important thing to you, And it doesn't sound like it is to her. She's not counting it out, she's not saying I'm not doing it, but she's also saying, you know, do I need to? She was on the podcast with her daughter, and you know, when they asked about future wedding bells, she was just like, you know, no or you never know. She wasn't given a positive answer, she wasn't given a negative answer. She and then Chloe says, you know, you don't need to get married to get mom, Like, what's the reason we're not, you know, starting a family again.
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Speaker 1: So it was such a cute moment. I think that, you know, having Chloe step in and say, you know, mom, this is not what you need and it's not what any of the girls need, but if it's what you want and Chris just was charming about it. She's like, you never know, I'm full of surprises. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And she didn't want to didn't really answer for him, like she they said, you know, do you think he wants to get rid? And she's like, I don't know, you got it, you have to ask him. That pretty amazing marriages in her life. She had Robert Kardashian first, and then she you know, she had Caitlyn Jenner, so I mean, and she has a lot of kids, and she has a really rich life. And just having a partner, like you don't have to marry a partner to have a partner that's with you forever, you know, I think I have that, and maybe we'll get married, maybe we won't, but I don't feel like he's going to leave if I don't marry him. And I'm not leaving him if I don't marry him, so I'm sure. And also like when you're this well known and maybe this wealthy, like it might be hard figuring out the legal stuff. So just by having her and having a person in your life, you don't have to marry them.
00:19:43
Speaker 1: Well, it was in their interview that I thought was really cute. Every time I go on Facebook. I see a picture of you and Chalk and it's all AI and either you're married, or you're breaking up or you've Yeah, it's just so funny to see the AI photos of you and Chloe and her mom. And Chloe and Chris talk about the AI photos. And Chris saw and AI photo of the girls at a working at a restaurant. She called him and goes, when was this? And the mom that was AI. She's like, oh, okay, what are trying to remember it?
00:20:15
Speaker 2: It's always AI and and you know, the social media comes out with a story just because they want people to look at the social media. And I mean, I've been dead, I've been married, I've been we've broken up. You know, there's been so many things, and we're just a teeny little person in this universe. They are so much bigger, so their stories are always bigger. There's more of them, happens all the time. So I guess if they got married it would stop those stories. But I feel like they are kind of beyond that now. I mean, Chris did say that they don't really bother her anymore, and she says, you know, at one time they did, but now she's kind of over it, and I kind of feel the same way.
00:20:49
Speaker 1: Yeah, you feel the same way. It doesn't bother you when you hear the rumors that you guys are broken up or that I was dead.
00:20:55
Speaker 2: The one I said I was dead really did kind of.
00:20:57
Speaker 1: That's a hard one.
00:20:58
Speaker 2: I was like, it had like a picture of me, and it had like my beginning date and my end date. Like I was like, oh, that's kind of like hits a little close to home.
00:21:06
Speaker 1: That beats mine. I had one that my son died, oh, which works terrible, But I don't have a son. I don't have a son, So I didn't take it personally, but if you know, it would it would have been very hard to hear I was dead or my kids weren't dead.
00:21:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that was It was a little weird. So I think, you know, the breakup rumors, I almost feel like everybody when you hear those, you almost double check them. Now they're so common. Everybody's broken up or together or whatever.
00:21:32
Speaker 1: Well this rumor, this rumor is about them getting married. So I'm gonna have to keep checking on you and chalk to see if the rumors are real.
00:21:39
Speaker 2: Just call me a girl.
00:21:40
Speaker 1: You don't have Okay.
00:21:44
Speaker 2: I feel like the next story though, we watched this whole thing play out on TV, so we know it's real and this is a Valley star Michelle and I don't know exactly how to say her name, SINAI just three seven. I think we all know who she is. If you watch The Valley, you know exactly who she.
00:21:59
Speaker 1: Is, because she was.
00:22:00
Speaker 2: She's been a big storyline throughout the last three seasons. She's thirty seven. And the story, though, is a good one that she and doctor Dre sixty one are holding hands in public, and that there are rumors now that they are dating. Now this comes all on the heels of her kind of whole story playing out on the Valley with her now I think he's now ex husband Jesse, but everybody loves Okay, So she's kind of been out there in the news more than once. You see her coupling up with people here and there. There's been rumors that she had an affair while she was.
00:22:34
Speaker 1: On the Valley.
00:22:35
Speaker 2: He also had an affair. Supposedly, she gets around.
00:22:37
Speaker 1: I love that.
00:22:38
Speaker 2: I'm just a little surprised about doctor Dre. What do you think?
00:22:41
Speaker 1: Well, and maybe she's auditioning for age of attraction. You don't know, but I will tell you this. Nobody goes to Nobu with someone of the opposite gender and holds hand hands with them as you leave and expects that to be silent. So I think there's a little story of the pot here somehow. But you know, you know you're going to be caught by the paparazzi at Nobu, absolutely.
00:23:06
Speaker 2: I mean they're right in the middle of la and they're both very well known. I mean, she's been a big storyline on the valley and he is obviously just a star in his own right. I think that it's their age difference is a little shocking for me. I think that I wonder if both of them this is a relationship of convenience, because they want to be out in the public, they want the paparazzi maybe taking their pictures. I mean, I kind of feel like they would feel like they would come out in a different way.
00:23:37
Speaker 1: I think that's well. It is kind of a classic Chapter two move though, kind of unexpected pairings. When you tried something and it didn't work, so why not go kind of far away from what you tried and see if that's really what was meant to be so good for them.
00:23:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, so I don't know how they met. I don't know if I had to do with her real estate career. Okay, so she's outside of her reality TV, which is pretty popular on She's a luxury real estate agent who specializes in multimillion dollar properties in La So rubbing elbows with the rich and famous is nothing new for her. And as for doctor Dre, his romantic history includes his headline making marriage and divorce from Nicole Young. They tied the knot in May nineteen ninety six before splitting in twenty twenty. Young received a one hundred million dollars settlement. Again, her romantic life has been a storyline on The Valley, but she's also, you know, kind of been around. She's dated Aaron Nosler, though they parted ways in the summer of twenty twenty five. Meanwhile, let's see Meanwhile Lalie has been in a relationship with his girlfriend Lacey Nicole and Orange County socialite who made a brave debut in the Valley. And I did watch that one, and I really actually liked it. So Jesse's dating a girl and he's kind of trying to push her a little bit onto Michelle because they have kids, and he's pretty serious with her, and he really wants Michelle and her to be good friends. And they end up on a show together at a party, and Jesse is kind of pushing his now pretty serious girlfriend on to Michelle. So I feel like Michelle needs to like part ways with that whole thing and let Jesse do his thing and they have, you know, a kid together, But I don't think that she needs to be part of his other relationship. And she's good do or anything.
00:25:26
Speaker 1: So good for you, good for you, go and doctor Dre and go to NOBU with doctor Dre. Absolutely it's a good option.
00:25:33
Speaker 2: But you know, I do think we have to look at Like her most recent quote, and it said earlier this month, she told BravoTV dot com that she was on the market. I am not dating anybody, but I'm open to it whatever whenever that time comes. So kind of gives you a hint that maybe that was hype, I don't know, or maybe it was a quickie, like, you know, let's go out on a date. See how it works. We're gonna walk out, we're gonna be holding hands. Oops, they caught us, And now it's a story, but it doesn't sound.
00:26:02
Speaker 1: She's share but she ends her quote which she's single and ready to mingle, and so you would think that if she's single, ready to mingle, that she wouldn't be in a relationship. So I don't know which way to take it. We better stay tuned on this one.
00:26:14
Speaker 2: I know, I think we should. I think that GMZ should be sticking out near doctor Drey's house in now her house and getting the real scoop for us because they're the ones who break it.
00:26:23
Speaker 1: Sounds perfect, okay, Well, our final headline is where Keith Urban stands with his and Nicole Kidman's daughter's post divorce. And this one breaks my heart and I know it does for you too.
00:26:45
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean I remember the day that they announced that they were splitting up. Do you remember that day. It's like one of those things that sticks in my mind because they were one of the few iconic Hollywood couples that had made it, Like I had no doubt that their marriage was great, Like there was never a doubt in my mind that they were not going to be together forever. And I'm trying to figure out how this unraveled, and I don't think we know very much, but it's pretty shocking that he doesn't have a relationship with his daughters right now. And that is like the weirdest part of this for me, because I felt like she would take care even if they divorced, she would take care of him, he would take care of her. They always seem to be so kind to each other, so this seems right to me.
00:27:31
Speaker 1: And they have two daughters. They share two daughters, Sunday Rose who's seventeen, and Faith Margaret at fifteen. Those are tough ages anyway, and evidently Nichole's she was awarded primary custody of the girls when the divorce happened, and he has granted every other weekend with the girls.
00:27:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not super surprised that she was awarded that because I think he travels a time. I mean, he's in concert, so I feel like he travels well.
00:28:00
Speaker 1: And honestly, at that age, like we used to say that once you get your driver's license, that determines custody, So.
00:28:07
Speaker 2: I so agree. I mean, seventeen and fifteen, they're old. You know what's the kind of most distressing. First of all, I mean, he says he's very distraught over the situation. He loves these girls, but they are so angry at him, and they're blaming him, the insider said, and it said, I don't even think this is Nicole painting a narrative. This is the girls coming to the conclusion on their own.
00:28:27
Speaker 1: That's hard, you know, and dads are so important in the lives of girls their that relationship is you know, relationship with parents in general, but in particular, father with a daughter is such an important relationship. Let's hope they can patch it up. But you know, honestly, on the other side, the girls are allowed to have the feelings that they have.
00:28:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really worry that. I feel like the father relationship is really important no matter what. And I worry that they are fairly immature. They're fifteen and seventeen. They don't have adult brain yet, and they are making a decision that could be almost irreversible like this, like once you stop speaking. Every day that you don't speak makes the gap even wider, and it makes it harder to then bridge the gap to speaking again or to having a relationship again. And I feel like these parents need to help these girls out figure this out in a better way, because I think one day, they're going to be bitter. There could be remorseful. I feel like this is this could cause real emotional damage to them by making this decision. I feel like they're being fifteen and seventeen year old girls that are pissed off, and they need to have a healthier view of this for their future. And I think maybe they need some therapy.
00:29:46
Speaker 1: Maybe Keith needs to go talk to Cameron and kind of compare notes and see how Cameron has decided to keep the family together, and maybe Keith can learn a little bit of something from him.
00:30:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just just really distressing the kids. The kids part of all of these stories. When there's kids involved, I feel really distressed for them. So I hope they figured this out. I think that we all love both Keith and Nicole and you know, I hope that this they get this figured out. Yeah, before the kids, you know, get more damage. There's more damage on the.
00:30:21
Speaker 1: Kids right right. I don't think Keith is going anywhere, though, I think he would welcome a text or a call from them at any time. So there's still there's still hope.
00:30:30
Speaker 2: The one word answers they were giving them, boy, I can imagine like card that is on him. Yeah, makes you wonder what happened there.
00:30:36
Speaker 1: I don't think we know the whole story, and you know, they're mad, and they they know more than we do, and so they're mad about something and they just want they'll work through it, So we'll do it. They have two very loving, supportive parents, and you.
00:30:48
Speaker 2: Know what, I think they're probably blaming them because I think I read in this article that Nicole did not want the divorce, it he suggested it, and that she when they first separated, she hoped that they would reconcile. So I think this continued down a bad road, and I think I bet the daughters are blaming him.
00:31:07
Speaker 1: Well, if there's one takeaway for chapter two, it's we don't get things perfect, but let's just hope we all find what's right for us in the end. But certainly this chap or two can be fairly messy.
00:31:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know the celebs, they do it all in public, so makes it harder, makes it hard on the family, It makes it hard on the kids. I particularly feel for the realities stars that do this on TV because you watch it unwined week by week. Fortunately, some of these are a little more private, like the Keith Urban and Nicole Kidman one seems to be a lot more private, but this seems like it's out and open now with the kids. So I'm sorry for those for the girls.
00:31:45
Speaker 1: I agreed, completely agreed, and I'm just really happy that none of my dates have been on TMS has caught me holding hands coming out of NOBU. I know, you know that that privacy, You know that privacy is important, and even for people who choose the public lawe sometimes when it gets messy, it's it would be nice to have a little bit more privacy.
00:32:04
Speaker 2: And it was even casual relationships. I mean, we were looking at doctor Dre, you know, and Michelle and I could have just been one date, or they could have walked out grabbed each other's hands as they were walking to the car, just in fun, and it became a big story. So you never really know. Yeah, even innocent handholding can end up being I mean, I remember I was sitting in a pool a couple of weeks ago with Carry Futman, who was my stylist from the you know Bachelor, you know Carry thatman.
00:32:29
Speaker 1: I love Carrie. He's gay, and I was.
00:32:32
Speaker 2: Like sitting on a lounge with him, like we were like cuddling. I mean, he's just like one of my dearest friends. But like people could have thought something about this, but there was nothing to think.
00:32:40
Speaker 1: Yeah, that would have caused some real issues on Facebook. We didn't even have to ai that seriously.
00:32:47
Speaker 2: There, I was like cuddling with Carrie Fatman on a lounge chair and easy. But you know, I guess you have to be really careful. It's funny one I talked to Chalk sometimes, you know, people come up. Women come up to him all the time and ask to take pictures. You know, this bachelor world is a little bit of a women dominator world. I rarely get men saying can I take a picture with you? It's always women. But he has the same thing. It's women want to take picture with him. And he said, I always worry that people someone's going to take one of those pictures and say, oh, Chalk was at a scene at a bar in Wichita, Kansas with another woman. And you know, so anything can happen. I mean, people can look at a picture and you know, make up a story about it. That's that's totally not true.
00:33:29
Speaker 1: Has it changed what type of picture you will take? He has? Will he stopped putting his arm around. You know, there's that soccer player who won't be photographed touching another woman. Yeah, I really respect that, but you know that's kind of extreme for you know, our world.
00:33:44
Speaker 2: Thanks start. I mean, the fact that even pops into his brain that he needs to be careful about that is a little screwed up, right. I mean, you know, he's out in this world. It's you know, bachelor world is a lot of women, and he's recognized, especially in his hometown, and people ask for pictures and he has to be really careful or he he's sitting at a bar and a woman sits next to him. A lot of times he won't stay. He will like move down, or he'll like somehow make sure that he has a man closed room or whatever, because you know, anything could be construed from that. I have a really, really, really good male friend here in Maryland, like one of my he's actually my plastic surgeon. He's one of my dearest friends in the world. I've known for like thirty years, and he and I go out to dinner, I mean like once a month just to catch up. I know his kids, he knows my family. He celebrates holidays with my family. We are just really really really dear friends. But I wonder every once in a while if somebody took a picture of us, it would look odd. So maybe that's the whole case with Michelle and doctor Dre. You know, just it was an innocent meeting that ended up, you know, it was really nothing, but people made a headline out of it.
00:34:46
Speaker 1: Back in the day, I was in my twenties and I worked for a very conservative company, General Electric, and Jack Weltch at the time was our CEO, and he made a point like, if whatever you're doing can be put on the front page of the Walls Journal and judged in a certain way, maybe you should consider not doing it. And from that moment on I really reconsidered. You know, I've been in sales my whole life. How do you handle when you're out to dinner out entertaining a customer? And so I made a choice back then to never be one on one with me and another man. Didn't matter who it was, could have been my friend, could have been a customer, I still invited a third person. And after my divorce, I've rethought that I think it's not such a bad idea because it could give your guests the wrong opinion. It could be a wrong impression for other people watching you. But yeah, I don't know. If doctor Dre wanted to hold my hand leaving NOBU, I don't think I would refuse him.
00:35:43
Speaker 2: Think I would either, I don't know. I mean holding in is maybe a little more contact than what you would have dinner. Yeah, but I mean the age different is so big. I mean, I wonder if she's thinking, oh, no, one's going to think we're together. You know, he's like my father, he's like my father's age. But you know people do because that's no you know, that happens. And now in Hollywood a lot there is old and young couplings.
00:36:06
Speaker 1: All the time, all the time. You know.
00:36:08
Speaker 2: I love that. Well, that was a lot to break down, though. Slubs are going through a lot in their chapter two, just like everyone else, just like us. Are you in chapter two and finding out it's a lot harder than you thought it would be. We're here to help. Send us an email or leave us a voicemail all that infos in our show notes, follow us on socials too, please.
00:36:29
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00:36:39
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