Nov. 16, 2025
A Standing Ovation for Katy Perry's Boyfriend's Estranged Wife
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RSS Feed 50-year-old Sophie Grégoire is a class act. She was baited on a podcast to explain how she’s remained so “cool” amid the now public romance between her soon-to-be ex-husband, former Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and pop star Katy Perry. Grégoire, who was married to Trudeau for 18 years and with whom she shares three children, gave some of the most thoughtful, empowering answers to how she is navigating the very public situation and there are lessons in her words for each and everyone one of us.
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Speaker 1: Have you heard, Well, sure you have, because everybody is talking. Justin Trudeau has a new girlfriend, and everybody seems to be talking about that. But Justin Trudeau also has a wife. She's talking too.
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Speaker 2: Man.
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Speaker 1: You know what, we like this lady. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ Robes.
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Speaker 2: We celebrating, right.
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Speaker 1: A lot of people are very excited about Justin Trudeau and Katy Perry dating Canadians. It's fun. It makes sense. They're available, both recently out of long term relationships. This seemed to be something people endorsed.
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Speaker 3: Yes, they look great together. I think everyone they look happy together. And it's been interesting because they are official, I guess because they made the choice to walk out of that cabaret show hand in hand. It was her birthday, so they never actually released a statement or put anything on Instagram.
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Speaker 2: Okay, wait, do they have to, babe?
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Speaker 3: I don't think so, because when you walk out of a restaurant on your birthday when you know, speculation because there were some other photos that were taken earlier, a month or so prior, and so yes, they made the decision.
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Speaker 4: But I guess they're calling this a soft launch of a relationship.
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Speaker 3: You don't have to talk about it, but just the mere act of holding your hand. You know, the paparazzi's going to be there, you know the cameras are going to be there.
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Speaker 4: And now you're.
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Speaker 1: Saying, okay, I want to put that to RESK because they haven't officially done whatever, put out some statement these two are dating.
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Speaker 2: Yes, okay, we're good, Yes, all right.
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Speaker 1: I just want to make sure I'm not missing something here, because there were some people even wanting to be cautious, if you will, after they walked out holding hands. What else are we talking about here other than that? Okay, thank you for tearing.
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Speaker 3: All that of one of those What else could it be? So even by process of elimination, obviously they're dating.
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Speaker 1: So through all this and romes, I didn't keep up, but I didn't realize. It's been two years since the announcement of Justin Trudeau's separation from his still but a strange wife at this point.
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Speaker 3: Right. Yes, her name is Sophie greg Guar. I'm not really good at French names, but yeah, Sophie greg War. She's fifty years old. They announced their separation in August of twenty twenty three.
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Speaker 4: So yes, more than two years ago.
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Speaker 1: So that was a big deal at the time. He was still I believe prime minister he was at a time of that announcement. These two have been together for a long time. She has been a part of national politics. People know her. She had her own career in journalism, she's an advocate. So this was a This was their camelot, if you will. He comes from a family and it has a whole background. Everything's great. How old are the.
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Speaker 3: Kids they are right now, I've got their ages, so eighteen years of eighteen years of marriage. And yes they have Xavier who's eighteen, Ella Grace who is sixteen, and Hadrian who is eleven.
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Speaker 1: Okay, now they announced their separation and I think folk we don't follow that closely politics in Canada, but we know him and when her they were getting separated, and just kind of oh, it just kind of.
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Speaker 3: Sucked or this, as you mentioned, like the camelot of Canada.
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Speaker 4: They were a beautiful couple.
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Speaker 3: She was a former model, TV presenter, so yes, they were a beautiful couple with a beautiful family.
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Speaker 4: And I think especially when you see them.
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Speaker 3: Leading the nation and showing up as representing your country, people are rooting for you.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, you look great, you seem great.
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Speaker 3: Everyone wants to believe you are great because we all, like I think, to have couples and families to model our own after to say, look at them, they've made it, they figured it out. Look how happy they are. Maybe I can be happy too. So when, yeah, those relationships fail somehow, it puts a little chink in our trust that our relationship is going to be able to succeed as well.
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Speaker 2: You know, That's what it was.
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Speaker 1: I was very, very hopeful, and so this was like, oh, well, that one couldn't work. I was hopeful that one could. Okay, fine, But even when that happened, right robes. Look, we're used to it here or in the US, of a celebrity breakup, and there be a lot of tabloid headlines and a lot of that is to come. I don't remember necessarily. Please correct me if I'm wrong, But it didn't seem like there was a lot of mess surrounding their separation.
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Speaker 4: No, it didn't seem like that was the case at all.
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Speaker 3: And in fact, they both put out statements and they both seemed to you know, it was one of those friendly recoparenting please respect our privacy, but you know, our family is being put first.
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Speaker 4: YadA, YadA, YadA, YadA YadA. But yeah, it was just that there was.
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Speaker 3: No scandal, there were no rumors, there was no whispering, not that I saw or read anywhere.
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Speaker 1: So here we go fast forward and Robes, I forgot about it, he of course says, since not been. He's not the prime minister anymore. He's still active and around. But I didn't think about it again until I see of course, I guess it was the summer that first picture of him and Katy Perry having a dinner. Now, when I first saw that, I pooh pooed Itai was a big deal.
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Speaker 3: I mentioned it to you and you were like, please, they're just they're they're both, you know, in the same city and they're Canadians, and yeah they yeah, didn't think.
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Speaker 1: It was a big deal. Didn't think it was a big deal. I don't remember when it got more serious.
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Speaker 3: What was the next thing, because then they found well, first of all, after that dining together in that Montreal restaurant, then Justin Trudeau was spotted in the crowd at Perry's concert there in the city with his teenage daughter so he had his daughter with him.
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Speaker 4: But they were there at her concert.
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Speaker 3: And then there were some pictures, some paparazzi pictures of them on a boat together.
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Speaker 1: Okay. The daughter thing I could explain away as well. Right, his daughter wants to go see Katy Perry. Hey, I got the hook up. It's your hero dad to take your daughter something like that. Okay. The yacht thing, I don't remember that. The boat pictures, I didn't see those.
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Speaker 4: It was Katy Perry's yacht.
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Speaker 2: Okay, but it was obvious that it was.
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Speaker 4: Yes, they they seemed like they were more than friends.
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Speaker 2: They looked friendly. Were there other people? Was he one of several on this boat?
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Speaker 3: Or I can try to pull out the picture enough to be able to kind of answer, but it would see as though they were captured enjoying their butting romance.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so now if we don't have to debate about the next one.
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Speaker 2: They were what was it last month?
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Speaker 3: Yes, Paris her birthday, Paris the Crazy Horse, Perry's birthday, exiting when they knew the cameras were there, hand in hand. She had a beautiful red dress on, so she was dressed to impress. He had a dark suit on. They looked great together walking out. They knew what they were doing.
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Speaker 4: They were ready. This was their announcement without having to put any words to it.
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Speaker 1: Okay, And that's fine. And to your point, that picture was perfect. Those were two people who knew we were about to go viral.
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Speaker 3: Yes, we were about to make it official without having to utter a word.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 1: So as we have been watching I guess robes that first dinner date and then him showing up at the concert and there he is on the boat and here they are holding hands. As we were watching it, there was somebody else watching all this apparently as well.
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Speaker 4: Yes, his a stranged wife.
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Speaker 1: Estranged sounds so awful, I know it has. It just sounds like it has a negative connotation. But what we're talking about they've been separated, yes right.
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Speaker 3: Yes, soon to be x A strange look divorce. I don't know how it works in Canada, but oftentimes, as anyone who has been through it knows, sometimes they're not as quick as you'd like them to be. So there's it doesn't even have to mean they're contentious. It just sometimes takes.
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Speaker 4: A long time.
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Speaker 3: And so yeah, these two had been married for eighteen years and we had not heard yet from Sophie publicly since these pictures, since it first started as rumors, then photos, and then of course the soft launch of their relationship, we have not heard her reaction. And so, yeah, she is still technically his wife, but obviously they have been a part living separate lives for more than two years at this point. And so she actually went on a podcast this week, and the host is always funny to watch how people try to slide it and the question that they actually really want to ask the entire time. So as she's being interviewed about a myriad of different topics, the host basically addressed Justin Trudeau's relationship with Katy Perry, saying, I don't know how you stay cool, and I really admire it because I would probably not be that. I'm not sure if the implication is it somehow, because your soon to be ex husband has moved on with a public figure, you're supposed to be wrecked or horrified or not cool with that. But she was clearly baiting her in that question.
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Speaker 2: What was the last part of that?
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Speaker 3: She said, I don't know how you stay cool, and I really admire it because I would probably not be that.
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Speaker 2: I don't know what that means. You tell me, as a woman, what does that mean?
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Speaker 3: She's trying to get her to say that I'm upset, okay, that Justin is dating Katy Perry. I'm upset that he's out in the public eye in front of cameras with another woman.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 1: I took it as she was saying something sincerely about where she might have been the situation, versus her just trying to get an answer out of a response time.
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Speaker 3: It could be a little truth to both, but I sincerely believe she was trying to kind of say, yeah, girl, I get you. I understand that must be tough, because man, I don't know if I could stay cool if I saw my ex husband dating Katie Perry. So it was kind of like trying to commiserate but also trying to get her to jump on that shit.
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Speaker 1: Should I stop there about that point? I don't know if to wait for the end, because that's an important point. Why or what point can anyone stop being upset at the person they were with has moved on after two years? Yeah?
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Speaker 3: I mean I think that out of respect for the person who you spent eighteen years with, who you raised children, with who you made a mutual decision with. It seems as though that was the case in this one, particularly you actually you can maybe personally.
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Speaker 4: Of course, there might be.
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Speaker 3: Some sadness or it might be hard to look at or hard to watch.
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Speaker 4: But that's to be expected.
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Speaker 3: But it's also no one's done anything wrong here, So I actually I hate the idea of pot stirring, like trying to get a woman to say something bad about another woman or some sort of you know, negative comment about their ex husband's new romance because it's in the public eye, maybe because Katy Perry is a decade or so younger than her, you know, who knows what, But I do I hate the idea of trying to bait someone into saying something controversial about something that no one has done anything wrong, Like there is no Katie and Orlando were never even married. Actually Orlando Bloom they split after nine years together, so they were never even married. They share a daughter together, but they seem to have an amicable split as well, so no one has done anything wrong. It appears in any of these But.
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Speaker 1: If everybody's being honest, no matter what public eye, are not, and nobody wants somebody you or in a relation of caring and loving a successful one for a long time, to see that person then happy with somebody else. Now, that's just a lot of people can stomach. I'm not saying everybody's We've seen great stories of people and couples, And think about our guy. I think he talks about it guardier, right, he talks about having this blended family where exes are all involved. More power to you, But I just that's not the norm.
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Speaker 4: Well, look, yes, you're right, that is not the norm.
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Speaker 3: But I would say if there really was love there, if there really was respect there, then you would want that person to be happy, truly, especially if they're the father of your children. I know that's idealistic and not probably that practical, but I do. I want to believe that it can happen, and I'm hopeful, like this is maybe what we're looking at, that you can be that you could have loved somebody and respect them enough as at least having been someone you loved and having been the father and having are the father of your children that you would want the best for them. You would want a happy father for your children.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just hard to see that not that person, not just be in another relationship, but being celebrated, almost being uplifted, being spotlighted constantly in such a way. And that person is high profile, she is successful, she's an international star.
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Speaker 4: Right.
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Speaker 1: It's just there's a lot there, and we all do it as human nature. We size each other up.
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Speaker 3: And your daughter probably looks up to her because we just mentioned Justin took his daughter that would be Sophie's daughter as well to go see Katie in concerts.
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Speaker 4: So that has to be a little difficult to process.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so I didn't plan on stuff, but it was right there on top of mine after you said it, so I wanted to pause, but yes, get into what she did actually say, and I roamed this was this is impressive stuff.
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Speaker 4: I was very impressed with what she said.
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Speaker 3: So after she was prompted by the podcasting host to kind of say something perhaps even negative or I can't believe you can keep your cool. I wouldn't be able to do it. This is what Sophie said. She said, we're human beings and stuff affects us normal. How do you rea to stuff is your decision. So I choose to try to listen to the music instead of the noise. I am very aware that a lot of public stuff out there can be triggers. What I do with it is my decision. The woman I want to become through this is my decision. Does that mean I don't have emotions that I don't cry, scream, laugh, No, especially that I'm a super tender heart, right, But it's my decision after that, between the emotion and the reaction.
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Speaker 4: I loved how she put that.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, this lady's been through some stuff. Does this lady you, I would dare say, it's hard to find somebody who can give that answer that's younger than fifty.
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Speaker 2: It's hard to add act.
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Speaker 1: I'm serious that that woman has been through some stuff. She has studied, she has read it. It is familiar, and I love it. It does not matter what is out there in the world, it's what's in you, and that's going to cause your reaction. Oh my goodness, this lady is giving a master class.
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Speaker 4: She went on to say a few more things. Yeah, I was. I was so impressed.
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Speaker 3: I'm so impressed because this isn't like a prepared statement, and I'm sure she knew that the podcasting host was going to obviously try to get her to say something, but this really felt heartfelt, and I loved how she put it. So she went on to say, I'll let myself be disappointed by someone. I'll let myself be angry, be sad, And I know for a fact how important it is as a mental health advocate to feel those emotions. I'm also learning at fifty that people will meet life as where they are inside of them. It's your choice to see that and be like, how am I going to let that affect my happiness?
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Speaker 2: Oh? I didn't even know that was the quote.
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Speaker 1: Yep.
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Speaker 2: Well what's that thing again about what's inside of them?
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Speaker 1: Yep?
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Speaker 4: She said, they will meet life with what's inside of them. Oh wow, So it's really cool.
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Speaker 3: And this is when you get to a certain part of your life, you're going to have experienced some sort of heartbreak, some sort of disappointment, and some sort of and some of it will be perhaps not as public and painful in that regard. But these are all lessons each and every one of us can use.
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Speaker 4: And learn in our own lives.
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Speaker 3: With whatever didn't go the way we wanted it to, if we felt shame or humiliation of bet our ego got bruised, this woman nailed it and how she responded.
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Speaker 1: You know, every relationship a good, bad, beginning, middle in whatever, show, serious, silly, whatever, anything happen to do for relationships dating, there are lessons right there in front of us every single time. I love, love, love this, but still robes in the midst of all this. We can go back and forth all day, but people still end up with this question, when is it actually okay to move on? We'll answer that after the breaks. They hear, all right, folks, welcome back. I mean, you teach you. I probably didn't set that up the right way. I said, we're going to answer this question when we come back, when is it okay to move on? And I don't know if there is a right answer to that question because of so many things role but what we're talking about here, I mean, Justin Trudeau has been separated from his wife for two full years. He ends up dating someone he didn't initially flaunted. They weren't out there, they were trying to have dinner somewhere. Okay, fine, you can make the argument they should have been more discreet.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 1: After two years, I honestly don't know. But what is or when is it okay, And where do you factor in the fact that the divorce isn't official and the fact that they are public figures.
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Speaker 3: Now here's what I actually have a very strong feeling about this, having had marriages and relationships begin and end in the public eye, so to speak, and ways, And here's what I would tell every person. And you know this is the truth from your own personal experiences. You cannot Yes, you can give a date of separation. You can give a date of divorce. You can give a date where one spouse or one person in the relationship moved out. Fine, but can you put a date on when your marriage actually ended? And I think it's always always months and sometimes years before you actually acknowledge it and admit it. So I always want to give people some grace because by the time you get to a point where you have now made the move out or signed the papers or filed the papers, or has had the conversation that you don't want to be with that person, it's been inside of you for a long time.
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Speaker 4: Most likely, these things don't happen overnight.
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Speaker 3: So by the time you then move out and you're kind of a lot of folks might already be lonely, numb, ready for some thing else, or ready for love again because they haven't had love for months or years. Perhaps, So I just think for every relationship it's different. But there are so many things that happened behind the scenes and perhaps even in ways that weren't overtly discussed or acknowledged, but were still a part of your life. So you might have been like actually kind of dead inside for a long time, you might be really ready.
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Speaker 4: For a new relationship.
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Speaker 3: So I don't think you can say what the proper amount of time is because it's so different for each person.
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Speaker 1: That is a very good point. That is as laid out and well put as I could ever do.
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Speaker 2: So, but that's true. There are people.
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Speaker 1: Who who move out on a Tuesday and they are primed for dating on Wednesday, correct, because they put that relationship to bed a long time ago, long time ago.
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Speaker 2: So I know people do.
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Speaker 1: Look, we've had tons of relationship experience, like you said, and then out of the public eye. But when you that is, I think that's one place where personally or privately folks can understand it, but publicly you immediately get judged.
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Speaker 2: For WHOA, that's too fast.
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Speaker 4: People at that time.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, they want that to explain to them.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, they want to.
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Speaker 3: Say, you should do this, then you should wait this amount of time, and then you should do that. But it's so easy to say when you actually don't know all the details, and no one can possibly know. Every relationship is so unique and so different, and people are in much different phases of that relationship than they've acknowledged publicly, and a lot of and a lot of these relationships.
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Speaker 1: Look they Katie and Justin, this is where life is and where life is taking them, and they all I see is pictures they look happy and look knock yourselves out.
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Speaker 2: I just I.
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Speaker 1: I am rooting for anybody who is who is happy, who's not hurting somebody else, not hurting yourself, like yourself out. And I didn't know much about his wife, but she is by the way she handled herself and by what she said. I am a fan and I don't know anything about her other than this.
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Speaker 3: This podcast is yes, And I just thought it was so cool because what Sophie said, she said it better than I could have ever actually articulated it, because it just resonated with me. I think anyone who's been through anything difficult to be able to actually reclaim power. I think so often the default, I will say for women is to be the victim and to blame. Look what happened to me, Look what he did to me, Look what that other person did to me. I love that she is owning it and saying what I do with what happened is my decision and the woman that I want to become through this is my decision. How empowering, how cool? And I love that she's owning it. This is not what we typically see and hear, and I love that this was her response. I want to read and reread her comments because this is how we take back our It's funny we all want to in our ego, want to blame someone else so we can defend and deflect. But when you actually own your role in everything and own the power you actually have and don't put it on someone else for how you feel, that is the way forward.
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Speaker 4: So bravo Sophie, Greg Buire.
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Speaker 3: We are very appreciative of your words, and thank you everyone for listening to us.
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Speaker 4: I maybe Robock alongside TJ. Holmes, we will talk to uls
Speaker 1: Have you heard, Well, sure you have, because everybody is talking. Justin Trudeau has a new girlfriend, and everybody seems to be talking about that. But Justin Trudeau also has a wife. She's talking too.
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Speaker 2: Man.
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Speaker 1: You know what, we like this lady. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ Robes.
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Speaker 2: We celebrating, right.
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Speaker 1: A lot of people are very excited about Justin Trudeau and Katy Perry dating Canadians. It's fun. It makes sense. They're available, both recently out of long term relationships. This seemed to be something people endorsed.
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Speaker 3: Yes, they look great together. I think everyone they look happy together. And it's been interesting because they are official, I guess because they made the choice to walk out of that cabaret show hand in hand. It was her birthday, so they never actually released a statement or put anything on Instagram.
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Speaker 2: Okay, wait, do they have to, babe?
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Speaker 3: I don't think so, because when you walk out of a restaurant on your birthday when you know, speculation because there were some other photos that were taken earlier, a month or so prior, and so yes, they made the decision.
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Speaker 4: But I guess they're calling this a soft launch of a relationship.
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Speaker 3: You don't have to talk about it, but just the mere act of holding your hand. You know, the paparazzi's going to be there, you know the cameras are going to be there.
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Speaker 4: And now you're.
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Speaker 1: Saying, okay, I want to put that to RESK because they haven't officially done whatever, put out some statement these two are dating.
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Speaker 2: Yes, okay, we're good, Yes, all right.
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Speaker 1: I just want to make sure I'm not missing something here, because there were some people even wanting to be cautious, if you will, after they walked out holding hands. What else are we talking about here other than that? Okay, thank you for tearing.
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Speaker 3: All that of one of those What else could it be? So even by process of elimination, obviously they're dating.
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Speaker 1: So through all this and romes, I didn't keep up, but I didn't realize. It's been two years since the announcement of Justin Trudeau's separation from his still but a strange wife at this point.
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Speaker 3: Right. Yes, her name is Sophie greg Guar. I'm not really good at French names, but yeah, Sophie greg War. She's fifty years old. They announced their separation in August of twenty twenty three.
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Speaker 4: So yes, more than two years ago.
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Speaker 1: So that was a big deal at the time. He was still I believe prime minister he was at a time of that announcement. These two have been together for a long time. She has been a part of national politics. People know her. She had her own career in journalism, she's an advocate. So this was a This was their camelot, if you will. He comes from a family and it has a whole background. Everything's great. How old are the.
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Speaker 3: Kids they are right now, I've got their ages, so eighteen years of eighteen years of marriage. And yes they have Xavier who's eighteen, Ella Grace who is sixteen, and Hadrian who is eleven.
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Speaker 1: Okay, now they announced their separation and I think folk we don't follow that closely politics in Canada, but we know him and when her they were getting separated, and just kind of oh, it just kind of.
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Speaker 3: Sucked or this, as you mentioned, like the camelot of Canada.
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Speaker 4: They were a beautiful couple.
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Speaker 3: She was a former model, TV presenter, so yes, they were a beautiful couple with a beautiful family.
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Speaker 4: And I think especially when you see them.
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Speaker 3: Leading the nation and showing up as representing your country, people are rooting for you.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, you look great, you seem great.
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Speaker 3: Everyone wants to believe you are great because we all, like I think, to have couples and families to model our own after to say, look at them, they've made it, they figured it out. Look how happy they are. Maybe I can be happy too. So when, yeah, those relationships fail somehow, it puts a little chink in our trust that our relationship is going to be able to succeed as well.
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Speaker 2: You know, That's what it was.
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Speaker 1: I was very, very hopeful, and so this was like, oh, well, that one couldn't work. I was hopeful that one could. Okay, fine, But even when that happened, right robes. Look, we're used to it here or in the US, of a celebrity breakup, and there be a lot of tabloid headlines and a lot of that is to come. I don't remember necessarily. Please correct me if I'm wrong, But it didn't seem like there was a lot of mess surrounding their separation.
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Speaker 4: No, it didn't seem like that was the case at all.
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Speaker 3: And in fact, they both put out statements and they both seemed to you know, it was one of those friendly recoparenting please respect our privacy, but you know, our family is being put first.
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Speaker 4: YadA, YadA, YadA, YadA YadA. But yeah, it was just that there was.
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Speaker 3: No scandal, there were no rumors, there was no whispering, not that I saw or read anywhere.
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Speaker 1: So here we go fast forward and Robes, I forgot about it, he of course says, since not been. He's not the prime minister anymore. He's still active and around. But I didn't think about it again until I see of course, I guess it was the summer that first picture of him and Katy Perry having a dinner. Now, when I first saw that, I pooh pooed Itai was a big deal.
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Speaker 3: I mentioned it to you and you were like, please, they're just they're they're both, you know, in the same city and they're Canadians, and yeah they yeah, didn't think.
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Speaker 1: It was a big deal. Didn't think it was a big deal. I don't remember when it got more serious.
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Speaker 3: What was the next thing, because then they found well, first of all, after that dining together in that Montreal restaurant, then Justin Trudeau was spotted in the crowd at Perry's concert there in the city with his teenage daughter so he had his daughter with him.
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Speaker 4: But they were there at her concert.
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Speaker 3: And then there were some pictures, some paparazzi pictures of them on a boat together.
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Speaker 1: Okay. The daughter thing I could explain away as well. Right, his daughter wants to go see Katy Perry. Hey, I got the hook up. It's your hero dad to take your daughter something like that. Okay. The yacht thing, I don't remember that. The boat pictures, I didn't see those.
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Speaker 4: It was Katy Perry's yacht.
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Speaker 2: Okay, but it was obvious that it was.
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Speaker 4: Yes, they they seemed like they were more than friends.
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Speaker 2: They looked friendly. Were there other people? Was he one of several on this boat?
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Speaker 3: Or I can try to pull out the picture enough to be able to kind of answer, but it would see as though they were captured enjoying their butting romance.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so now if we don't have to debate about the next one.
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Speaker 2: They were what was it last month?
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Speaker 3: Yes, Paris her birthday, Paris the Crazy Horse, Perry's birthday, exiting when they knew the cameras were there, hand in hand. She had a beautiful red dress on, so she was dressed to impress. He had a dark suit on. They looked great together walking out. They knew what they were doing.
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Speaker 4: They were ready. This was their announcement without having to put any words to it.
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Speaker 1: Okay, And that's fine. And to your point, that picture was perfect. Those were two people who knew we were about to go viral.
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Speaker 3: Yes, we were about to make it official without having to utter a word.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 1: So as we have been watching I guess robes that first dinner date and then him showing up at the concert and there he is on the boat and here they are holding hands. As we were watching it, there was somebody else watching all this apparently as well.
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Speaker 4: Yes, his a stranged wife.
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Speaker 1: Estranged sounds so awful, I know it has. It just sounds like it has a negative connotation. But what we're talking about they've been separated, yes right.
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Speaker 3: Yes, soon to be x A strange look divorce. I don't know how it works in Canada, but oftentimes, as anyone who has been through it knows, sometimes they're not as quick as you'd like them to be. So there's it doesn't even have to mean they're contentious. It just sometimes takes.
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Speaker 4: A long time.
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Speaker 3: And so yeah, these two had been married for eighteen years and we had not heard yet from Sophie publicly since these pictures, since it first started as rumors, then photos, and then of course the soft launch of their relationship, we have not heard her reaction. And so, yeah, she is still technically his wife, but obviously they have been a part living separate lives for more than two years at this point. And so she actually went on a podcast this week, and the host is always funny to watch how people try to slide it and the question that they actually really want to ask the entire time. So as she's being interviewed about a myriad of different topics, the host basically addressed Justin Trudeau's relationship with Katy Perry, saying, I don't know how you stay cool, and I really admire it because I would probably not be that. I'm not sure if the implication is it somehow, because your soon to be ex husband has moved on with a public figure, you're supposed to be wrecked or horrified or not cool with that. But she was clearly baiting her in that question.
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Speaker 2: What was the last part of that?
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Speaker 3: She said, I don't know how you stay cool, and I really admire it because I would probably not be that.
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Speaker 2: I don't know what that means. You tell me, as a woman, what does that mean?
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Speaker 3: She's trying to get her to say that I'm upset, okay, that Justin is dating Katy Perry. I'm upset that he's out in the public eye in front of cameras with another woman.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 1: I took it as she was saying something sincerely about where she might have been the situation, versus her just trying to get an answer out of a response time.
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Speaker 3: It could be a little truth to both, but I sincerely believe she was trying to kind of say, yeah, girl, I get you. I understand that must be tough, because man, I don't know if I could stay cool if I saw my ex husband dating Katie Perry. So it was kind of like trying to commiserate but also trying to get her to jump on that shit.
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Speaker 1: Should I stop there about that point? I don't know if to wait for the end, because that's an important point. Why or what point can anyone stop being upset at the person they were with has moved on after two years? Yeah?
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Speaker 3: I mean I think that out of respect for the person who you spent eighteen years with, who you raised children, with who you made a mutual decision with. It seems as though that was the case in this one, particularly you actually you can maybe personally.
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Speaker 4: Of course, there might be.
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Speaker 3: Some sadness or it might be hard to look at or hard to watch.
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Speaker 4: But that's to be expected.
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Speaker 3: But it's also no one's done anything wrong here, So I actually I hate the idea of pot stirring, like trying to get a woman to say something bad about another woman or some sort of you know, negative comment about their ex husband's new romance because it's in the public eye, maybe because Katy Perry is a decade or so younger than her, you know, who knows what, But I do I hate the idea of trying to bait someone into saying something controversial about something that no one has done anything wrong, Like there is no Katie and Orlando were never even married. Actually Orlando Bloom they split after nine years together, so they were never even married. They share a daughter together, but they seem to have an amicable split as well, so no one has done anything wrong. It appears in any of these But.
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Speaker 1: If everybody's being honest, no matter what public eye, are not, and nobody wants somebody you or in a relation of caring and loving a successful one for a long time, to see that person then happy with somebody else. Now, that's just a lot of people can stomach. I'm not saying everybody's We've seen great stories of people and couples, And think about our guy. I think he talks about it guardier, right, he talks about having this blended family where exes are all involved. More power to you, But I just that's not the norm.
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Speaker 4: Well, look, yes, you're right, that is not the norm.
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Speaker 3: But I would say if there really was love there, if there really was respect there, then you would want that person to be happy, truly, especially if they're the father of your children. I know that's idealistic and not probably that practical, but I do. I want to believe that it can happen, and I'm hopeful, like this is maybe what we're looking at, that you can be that you could have loved somebody and respect them enough as at least having been someone you loved and having been the father and having are the father of your children that you would want the best for them. You would want a happy father for your children.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just hard to see that not that person, not just be in another relationship, but being celebrated, almost being uplifted, being spotlighted constantly in such a way. And that person is high profile, she is successful, she's an international star.
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Speaker 4: Right.
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Speaker 1: It's just there's a lot there, and we all do it as human nature. We size each other up.
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Speaker 3: And your daughter probably looks up to her because we just mentioned Justin took his daughter that would be Sophie's daughter as well to go see Katie in concerts.
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Speaker 4: So that has to be a little difficult to process.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so I didn't plan on stuff, but it was right there on top of mine after you said it, so I wanted to pause, but yes, get into what she did actually say, and I roamed this was this is impressive stuff.
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Speaker 4: I was very impressed with what she said.
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Speaker 3: So after she was prompted by the podcasting host to kind of say something perhaps even negative or I can't believe you can keep your cool. I wouldn't be able to do it. This is what Sophie said. She said, we're human beings and stuff affects us normal. How do you rea to stuff is your decision. So I choose to try to listen to the music instead of the noise. I am very aware that a lot of public stuff out there can be triggers. What I do with it is my decision. The woman I want to become through this is my decision. Does that mean I don't have emotions that I don't cry, scream, laugh, No, especially that I'm a super tender heart, right, But it's my decision after that, between the emotion and the reaction.
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Speaker 4: I loved how she put that.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, this lady's been through some stuff. Does this lady you, I would dare say, it's hard to find somebody who can give that answer that's younger than fifty.
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Speaker 2: It's hard to add act.
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Speaker 1: I'm serious that that woman has been through some stuff. She has studied, she has read it. It is familiar, and I love it. It does not matter what is out there in the world, it's what's in you, and that's going to cause your reaction. Oh my goodness, this lady is giving a master class.
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Speaker 4: She went on to say a few more things. Yeah, I was. I was so impressed.
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Speaker 3: I'm so impressed because this isn't like a prepared statement, and I'm sure she knew that the podcasting host was going to obviously try to get her to say something, but this really felt heartfelt, and I loved how she put it. So she went on to say, I'll let myself be disappointed by someone. I'll let myself be angry, be sad, And I know for a fact how important it is as a mental health advocate to feel those emotions. I'm also learning at fifty that people will meet life as where they are inside of them. It's your choice to see that and be like, how am I going to let that affect my happiness?
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Speaker 2: Oh? I didn't even know that was the quote.
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Speaker 1: Yep.
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Speaker 2: Well what's that thing again about what's inside of them?
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Speaker 1: Yep?
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Speaker 4: She said, they will meet life with what's inside of them. Oh wow, So it's really cool.
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Speaker 3: And this is when you get to a certain part of your life, you're going to have experienced some sort of heartbreak, some sort of disappointment, and some sort of and some of it will be perhaps not as public and painful in that regard. But these are all lessons each and every one of us can use.
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Speaker 4: And learn in our own lives.
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Speaker 3: With whatever didn't go the way we wanted it to, if we felt shame or humiliation of bet our ego got bruised, this woman nailed it and how she responded.
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Speaker 1: You know, every relationship a good, bad, beginning, middle in whatever, show, serious, silly, whatever, anything happen to do for relationships dating, there are lessons right there in front of us every single time. I love, love, love this, but still robes in the midst of all this. We can go back and forth all day, but people still end up with this question, when is it actually okay to move on? We'll answer that after the breaks. They hear, all right, folks, welcome back. I mean, you teach you. I probably didn't set that up the right way. I said, we're going to answer this question when we come back, when is it okay to move on? And I don't know if there is a right answer to that question because of so many things role but what we're talking about here, I mean, Justin Trudeau has been separated from his wife for two full years. He ends up dating someone he didn't initially flaunted. They weren't out there, they were trying to have dinner somewhere. Okay, fine, you can make the argument they should have been more discreet.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 1: After two years, I honestly don't know. But what is or when is it okay, And where do you factor in the fact that the divorce isn't official and the fact that they are public figures.
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Speaker 3: Now here's what I actually have a very strong feeling about this, having had marriages and relationships begin and end in the public eye, so to speak, and ways, And here's what I would tell every person. And you know this is the truth from your own personal experiences. You cannot Yes, you can give a date of separation. You can give a date of divorce. You can give a date where one spouse or one person in the relationship moved out. Fine, but can you put a date on when your marriage actually ended? And I think it's always always months and sometimes years before you actually acknowledge it and admit it. So I always want to give people some grace because by the time you get to a point where you have now made the move out or signed the papers or filed the papers, or has had the conversation that you don't want to be with that person, it's been inside of you for a long time.
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Speaker 4: Most likely, these things don't happen overnight.
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Speaker 3: So by the time you then move out and you're kind of a lot of folks might already be lonely, numb, ready for some thing else, or ready for love again because they haven't had love for months or years. Perhaps, So I just think for every relationship it's different. But there are so many things that happened behind the scenes and perhaps even in ways that weren't overtly discussed or acknowledged, but were still a part of your life. So you might have been like actually kind of dead inside for a long time, you might be really ready.
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Speaker 4: For a new relationship.
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Speaker 3: So I don't think you can say what the proper amount of time is because it's so different for each person.
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Speaker 1: That is a very good point. That is as laid out and well put as I could ever do.
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Speaker 2: So, but that's true. There are people.
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Speaker 1: Who who move out on a Tuesday and they are primed for dating on Wednesday, correct, because they put that relationship to bed a long time ago, long time ago.
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Speaker 2: So I know people do.
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Speaker 1: Look, we've had tons of relationship experience, like you said, and then out of the public eye. But when you that is, I think that's one place where personally or privately folks can understand it, but publicly you immediately get judged.
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Speaker 2: For WHOA, that's too fast.
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Speaker 4: People at that time.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, they want that to explain to them.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, they want to.
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Speaker 3: Say, you should do this, then you should wait this amount of time, and then you should do that. But it's so easy to say when you actually don't know all the details, and no one can possibly know. Every relationship is so unique and so different, and people are in much different phases of that relationship than they've acknowledged publicly, and a lot of and a lot of these relationships.
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Speaker 1: Look they Katie and Justin, this is where life is and where life is taking them, and they all I see is pictures they look happy and look knock yourselves out.
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Speaker 2: I just I.
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Speaker 1: I am rooting for anybody who is who is happy, who's not hurting somebody else, not hurting yourself, like yourself out. And I didn't know much about his wife, but she is by the way she handled herself and by what she said. I am a fan and I don't know anything about her other than this.
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Speaker 3: This podcast is yes, And I just thought it was so cool because what Sophie said, she said it better than I could have ever actually articulated it, because it just resonated with me. I think anyone who's been through anything difficult to be able to actually reclaim power. I think so often the default, I will say for women is to be the victim and to blame. Look what happened to me, Look what he did to me, Look what that other person did to me. I love that she is owning it and saying what I do with what happened is my decision and the woman that I want to become through this is my decision. How empowering, how cool? And I love that she's owning it. This is not what we typically see and hear, and I love that this was her response. I want to read and reread her comments because this is how we take back our It's funny we all want to in our ego, want to blame someone else so we can defend and deflect. But when you actually own your role in everything and own the power you actually have and don't put it on someone else for how you feel, that is the way forward.
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Speaker 4: So bravo Sophie, Greg Buire.
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Speaker 3: We are very appreciative of your words, and thank you everyone for listening to us.
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Speaker 4: I maybe Robock alongside TJ. Holmes, we will talk to uls