Episodes

In this episode, Daniella Mestyanek Young returns to IndoctriNation to discuss how cults exploit group dynamics. Born three generations into the Children of God, then a U.S. Army intelligence officer, Daniella has spent her career studying coercive control from the inside out. In her new book The Culting of America, she lays out a 10-part model of cult tactics — the same playbook used in religious cults, high-control workplaces, the military, single-family cults, and even fandoms. Rachel Bernste...

In this episode, Rachel Bernstein sits down with Lindsey Sanders to talk about her memoir, The Sacred Song of a Heretic, and what it means to reclaim "sacredness" outside of a high-control religion. Lindsey was raised in a multigenerational Mormon family, where she was taught to value obedience, certainty, traditional gender roles, a limited range of acceptable emotions, and avoidance of outside sources of information. As a teenager, a relationship with another girl set off a chain of guilt, par...

This is just a preview of our Patreon exclusive Bonus Episode. You can hear the full episode by becoming a member at:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.patreon.com/indoctrination In this Patreon bonus episode, host Rachel Bernstein unpacks the idea of "cults of two" — one-on-one relationships that can carry the same coercive control, manipulation, and reality-distortion found in larger high-control groups. How does a single person create cult-like power without a group? Rachel breaks down the tactics manipulato...

In this episode, host Rachel Bernstein welcomes back author Tia Levings to discuss her new book, I Belong to Me: A Survivor’s Guide to Recovery and Hope After Religious Trauma Tia opens up about surviving church-sanctioned domestic abuse and the long, deliberately paced process of rebuilding selfhood after leaving Christian patriarchy. She and Rachel explore how reclaiming body awareness, personal boundaries, and the simple practice of "I statements" can counter indoctrination. The conversation ...

In this episode, Rachel Bernstein interviews Ru Marshall about the hidden world surrounding the guru Carlos Castaneda. Marshall shares insights from their research into Castaneda’s history, manipulation tactics, spiritual abuse, and the disturbing aftermath surrounding his inner circle after his death. The conversation explores charismatic narcissism, cult control, and how high-control spiritual leaders exploit vulnerability and emotional dependency. Rachel and Marshall also discuss the psycholo...

This is just a preview of our Patreon exclusive Bonus Episode. You can hear the full episode by becoming a member at:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.patreon.com/indoctrination In this Patreon bonus episode, Rachel Bernstein explores how survivors of narcissistic families, manipulative relationships, and cultic systems can rebuild their identity after years of control, conformity, and emotional conditioning. Many survivors leave asking, “Who am I really?” after individuality has been shamed, punished, or repla...

In this episode, Rachel Bernstein welcomes investigative journalist Alice Hines to discuss neurolinguistic programming (NLP), its origins, and the fine line between empowerment and manipulation. Known for her reporting on Twin Flames Universe and co-hosting Mind Games, Alice explores how NLP techniques have influenced therapy, sales culture, pickup artists, and groups like NXIVM. Rachel and Alice examine rapid rapport-building, mirroring, “conscious resistance,” and public claims like instant ph...

In part 2, Rachel Bernstein continues her conversation with Donna Lamb, a survivor of the Aesthetic Realism group. Recruited at 20 in New York City, Donna spent 32 years in the group before leaving in her fifties. She explains how founder Eli Siegel and his successor maintained control through “contempt,” enforced self-criticism, surveillance, and manipulation, including “Respect meetings.” Donna also shares how fear-based indoctrination and pressure to inform on others kept members compliant. ...

This is just a preview of our Patreon exclusive Bonus Episode. You can hear the full episode by becoming a member at:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.patreon.com/indoctrination In this Patreon bonus episode, Rachel Bernstein explores “missionary tactics”—recruitment strategies used by high-control groups, including religious, political, wellness, MLM, and online communities. Through the story of “Alex,” the episode shows how seemingly positive outreach can gradually become manipulative. She breaks down common...

This is just a preview of our Patreon exclusive Q&A video. You can access the full content by becoming a member at:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.patreon.com/indoctrination You asked. I answered, and these questions were remarkable. Every time I read through what this community sends in, I'm genuinely moved by how thoughtfully you're engaging with these topics. This month's Q&A covers some important questions I've received, and I've done my best to answer each one. In this Patreon Q&A video, we explore: Coer...

In Part 1, IndoctriNation host Rachel Bernstein speaks with Donna Lamb, a cult survivor and writer, about her 32 years inside Aesthetic Realism—a controversial group founded by Eli Siegel and still operating in New York City. Recruited at age 21 through an acting class, Donna shares how love bombing, intellectualized teachings, and strict control shaped her life inside the group. She reveals the pressure to “change” from being gay, including her experience with conversion therapy—and later bein...

In this episode, Rachel Bernstein speaks with Louise Williamson about the impact of conspiracy thinking on partners and families. Louise describes noticing her ex-husband’s shift in 2011, with conspiratorial topics becoming obvious by 2014 and escalating into extreme beliefs, worsening further during COVID, as he published anti-vax material and made accusations against her. She recounts social fallout, including friends withdrawing after intense rants, and family effects: a daughter felt convers...

This is just a preview of our Patreon exclusive Bonus Episode. You can hear the full episode by becoming a member at:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.patreon.com/indoctrination In this Patreon bonus episode, Rachel Bernstein explains how survivors of past coercion can miss quieter, covert manipulation that looks like kindness, concern, or normal persuasion. Rachel contrasts extreme manipulation (overt coercion, isolation, strict control, public shaming, harsh punishments) with subtle tactics that erode self-tr...

You can hear more episodes by becoming a member at:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.patreon.com/indoctrination In this unlocked Patreon episode, Rachel Bernstein gives an updated intro focusing on Synanon and includes recent news on renewed scrutiny of César Chávez and the United Farm Workers for allegedly adopting Synanon-style practices at the La Paz compound. She covers the UFW’s founding aims and describes reporting that Synanon’s confrontational “Game” was used at La Paz to enforce discipline, discourage ...

In this episode, Rachel Bernstein speaks with Matthew Boedy, who is a professor of rhetoric at the University of North Georgia. He researches and writes about religious rhetoric, particularly in the last few years about the rise of Christian Nationalism. In the interview, Boedy explains rhetoric as framing reality through living language, and describes religious rhetoric as examining powerful “divine terms” like good and evil, including how “evil” has shifted historically from social corruption ...

This is just a preview of our Patreon exclusive Bonus Episode. You can hear the full episode by becoming a member at:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.patreon.com/indoctrination In this Patreon bonus episode, Rachel Bernstein explains how people who leave controlling, groups, or manipulative relationships often carry repeated phrases in their minds that become internalized beliefs. Drawing on survivor reports, exit counseling literature, and research on coercive persuasion, she shows that these aren’t random sl...

In this episode, Rachel Bernstein interviews Becky Garrison, author of "Gaslighting for God," about spiritual narcissism, charismatic leaders, and how abuse is hidden behind a persona with little accountability. Garrison describes her background in religious satire, family alcoholism, and how research into trauma and somatic therapies helped her recognize narcissistic patterns without becoming triggered. They distinguish lying from gaslighting as deliberately altering someone’s perception of rea...

In this episode, Rachel Bernstein interviews journalist Harrison Hill about his debut book, “The Oracle’s Daughter: The Rise and Fall of an American Cult.” Hill shares how he connected to survivor Sarah Green through his brother in Brooklyn and how the book centers on Sarah’s escape from the Aggressive Christianity Missions Training Corps, a religious cult founded in California. He situates the cult within American religious extremism and explores why people join, stay, and leave, including how ...

This is just a preview of our Patreon exclusive Bonus Episode. You can hear the full episode by becoming a member at:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.patreon.com/indoctrination In the continuation of this Patreon bonus episode, Rachel Bernstein explains that staying busy can suppress, but not heal, painful emotions and stresses the importance of learning to honor feelings without fear. The focus is reclaiming agency after cult involvement, where survivors were conditioned to doubt themselves, seek leader appro...

In this episode, Rachel Bernstein interviews Sean Prophet, whose parents founded the Church Universal and Triumphant. Sean describes feeling like an outsider in public school, the group’s rigid us‑vs‑them hierarchy, and being pulled into a tightly controlled cult school. They discuss how cults use hypnotic repetition, aphorisms, thought‑stopping clichés, and emotional loyalty to override critical thinking, drawing parallels to QAnon, MAGA‑aligned disinformation, and broader authoritarian dynamic...

In this episode, Rachel Bernstein speaks with Luke Allen, a survivor of the River Road Fellowship group in Minnesota. Luke recounts his experiences growing up in this high-control group from 1996 to about 2015, emphasizing the psychological impact and the manipulation tactics used by the leader, Victor, who is now imprisoned for his crimes. Luke discusses the emotional challenges and the journey of writing his memoir 'Cult Life,' where he uses techniques inspired by other memoirs to relive and n...

This is just a preview of our Patreon exclusive Bonus Episode. You can hear the full episode by becoming a member at:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.patreon.com/indoctrination In this Patreon bonus episode, Rachel Bernstein explains why people who leave cults or other high-control groups often stay stuck in fight-or-flight, along with freeze and fawn responses, even after they are physically out. Rachel describes how these groups keep people stressed on purpose, so the body never returns to a calm, balanced s...

In this episode, Rachel interviews Theophila Pratt, a Gloriavale survivor now based in Auckland, New Zealand, nearly 10 years out and working as an occupational therapist with youth. Born into Gloriavale as “Honey Faithful,” Theo describes a highly controlled life of constant surveillance, strict dress rules, relentless labor from age five, long sermons, and routine public shaming, alongside family hardship. At 18, Theo refused to sign the “Commitment” document, was told to leave, and was sent o...

In this episode, Rachel Bernstein interviews Elise Heerde, a certified coach and mental health practitioner specializing in religious trauma, cult recovery, and coercive control. Elise recounts being raised in fundamentalist Pentecostalism with fear-based teachings about hell and the rapture, leading to anxiety, depression, and insomnia. While on staff at a high-control Pentecostal megachurch, she sought pastoral care and experienced grooming and assault, followed by silencing, threats, and blam...