A New Sunscreen Ingredient Is Coming. Is It Actually Better?

[INTRO] Hey, everyone. Welcome to Facially Conscious. We're so glad you're here. I'm Trina Reneá, and I'm an esthetician with experience in medical aesthetics here in Los Angeles. And I'm sitting with my two rock star co-hosts, Dr. Vicki Rapaport. She is a board-certified dermatologist with practices in Beverly Hills and Culver City, and Julie Falls, our educated consumer, who is here representing you. 

On this show, we break through the noise of skincare trends to uncover what's working, what's marketing, and what's truly worth your money. Think of us as your go-to girls for making sense of it all and helping you make smarter and more confident decisions about your skin. Settle in, and let's get started with today's episode. 

01:10 Trina Reneá: Hi, ladies. 

01:11 Julie Falls: Hello. Nice to be back. 

01:14 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: Hello, everybody. 

01:16 Julie Falls: Hello. 

01:17 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: Good to hear your voice and see your pretty face. 

01:20 Julie Falls: How was your trip? 

01:21 Trina Reneá: I went to the top of Washington all the way down through the bottom of Oregon. It was fantastic, except there were giant fires coming from the north and up in Canada, down. I mean, the smoke was coming down. And then all of the east side of Washington and Oregon was on fire. 

01:42 Julie Falls: Oh, my goodness. Terrible. 

01:42 Trina Reneá: And so it was blowing the wind… You know, in some spots it was a little smoky, but, overall, it was beautiful. The Oregon coast is amazing. And those islands up above Seattle, also amazing. 

01:55 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: Did you go to any colleges with your daughter? 

01:58 Trina Reneá: No, that was the whole reason we went on this trip. 

02:01 Julie Falls: You got plenty of time to do that. 

02:03 Trina Reneá: But we ended up seeing like 10 friends in 11 days.

02:06 Julie Falls: Wow, fun. 

02:08 Trina Reneá: Yeah. I mean, she's only entering 10th grade, so it's fine. 

02:12 Julie Falls: Yeah, plenty of time.

02:12 Trina Reneá: How are you guys? 

02:13 Julie Falls: Vicki, I think congratulations are in order. I just saw that you were mentioned in LA's Best Of as Top Doctor. Congratulations.

02:25 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: I saw it in LA Magazine, yeah. LA Magazine Best Of. 

02:30 Julie Falls: Yes.

02:31 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: The cover is beautiful. It's the Palisades Fire cover. Palisades Fire is obviously one of the bigger stories in LA. They covered it a couple of times with this beautiful cover. And then they also had their Best Of list, and I was in there as a dermatologist. 

But I didn't see any other doctors in there, which I thought was pretty cool. I was very pleased, very surprised, very grateful. 

02:52 Trina Reneá: Wow.

02:56 Julie Falls: It says, “Dermatologist. If you can get an appointment with Dr. Vicki Rapaport, your skin will thank you. The board-certified dermatologist raised in LA leads Rapaport Dermatology and founded SKN Beverly Hills, a medical-grade skincare line developed with top labs to treat issues from the comfort of your home. An expert in both medical and cosmetic services, not to mention skin cancer screenings, Dr. Rapaport brings over 20 years of experience to her patients.”

03:27 Trina Reneá: Wow. 

03:28 Julie Falls: And she's our co-host.

03:30 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: It's almost like I wrote that for a podcast intro. No, actually, I was quite surprised. I was quite surprised. I really don't know what that's about.

03:41 Julie Falls: They took it from a bio or something maybe? 

03:44 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: I think, practicing for 26 years, I probably have a fairly good reputation by now. I was pretty stoked to hear that. And a lot of patients are commenting, a lot of phone calls are coming in. It's quite an honor, yeah. You know, nobody reads magazines anymore, but I guess a lot of people are going to see it, which is great. 

04:03 Julie Falls: So great. Congratulations. 

04:06 Trina Reneá: Congratulations. 

04:07 Julie Falls: We're very proud.

04:08 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: Sorry, I can't get you guys an appointment now because I'm just too busy. 

04:11 Julie Falls: Forget it. 

04:12 Trina Reneá: Oh, god. 

04:14 Julie Falls: We will never get in. 

04:16 Trina Reneá: Wait, speaking of. I need an appointment for Ella, but we'll talk about that later.

04:20 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: Okay.

04:23 Trina Reneá: Okay. So, today, we're talking about a new FDA-approved sunscreen filter. And it's the first approved in 25 years, which is crazy. 

So, Dr. Vicki, this is exciting news. Finally, something hopefully better. Can you tell us what you know about the ingredient? I can't even say the word, so can you tell us what the word is? 

04:48 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: Absolutely. It's called bemotrizinol, or B-E-M-T. Bemotrizinol or BEMT. I'll give you guys a little bit of background on it, and then you can ask me some questions that you have about it and are curious about, if I haven't covered it. 

If you practice dermatology in the US, we have been living in a sunscreen time capsule, because Europe has had this sunscreen for over 25 years, 26 years, I think since 2000. And we're only getting it now. 

BEMT was created in a Swiss lab. It's also known as Tinosorb S. It's a broad spectrum UVA/UVB filter. It does not cover all of the UVA spectrum, which is something that's lacking in every single sunscreen. 

But part of the reason why it's such an exciting new development is because it's incredibly photostable, meaning it's not going to break down and it's going to last longer, which is one of the problems because nobody is reapplying sunscreen. So it's very, very photostable itself, but it also photostabilizes other sunscreens that will most likely be combined with it. Because it, by itself, isn't the end-all, be-all of all sunscreens. 

It's a big molecule, which should mean, to help people understand, it doesn't actually penetrate the skin. A little bit penetrates but not much of it penetrates. It mostly just sits on the top layer of the skin which, again, it's stable and it's sitting there. It's not penetrating, causing a little bit of systemic absorption, but not too much. 

And it's also a lipophilic molecule, which means it's fat-loving. Fat-loving meaning it stays on our lipid barrier. It stays on our oily skin. It doesn't get broken up by the oils. So, it's a kind of big news because (a) it's the first sunscreen in 25 years that’s been approved. And it does have this wonderful stability that might give people better sunscreen usage and long-term protection from the UVA and UVB rays that we know causes skin cancer. 

06:42 Trina Reneá: So does that mean they don't have to reapply every two hours? 

06:45 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: It's a really good question. Everything ends up in the end formulation, the very, very last formulation that goes into the bottle. So as an ingredient, we can tell how well it protects from UVA and UVB. But once it's combined with the preservatives and the ceramides and the glycerin, or whatever else they're putting in there, sometimes fragrance, which I disagree with, that end formulation will be tested for the SPF number. 

So the answer to your question, it's still going to have an SPF of whatever, 25, 50, 70, however they're going to formulate it. And it is a great question, whether it's going to have to be reapplied every two hours or so. That will come to fruition. We'll know based on those studies of the last, the end formulation. 

I like the idea that it's here. And I love the idea that we're having another conversation about sunscreen. Is it like the most amazing sunscreen in the world? I don't know. We have to find out. It's not even out yet. They haven't even made the formulations yet because it was only FDA approved in June. I think it was allowed to be sold in August. So I don't even think there's anything on the shelves yet. 

07:44 Trina Reneá: Wow. And the only people who are allowed to utilize it in their products are OTC labs, right? Making sunscreens.

07:52 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: No. Now, it's an FDA approved ingredient that anybody can use, whether you're making a sunscreen or a makeup with it in there. Anybody has access to it now. And part of the reason why it's been-- I guess the big talk is why did it take so long? It's just a sunscreen ingredient. And sunscreens are considered over-the-counter drugs, not makeup, not cosmetic. So when it's an over-the-counter drug, it was much more strictly regulated. 

And then just a little more interesting for the super-duper nerds, the CARES Act, which was the Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security Act, the CARES Act, which people remember getting that stimulus check, right? It was a stimulus check that we all got. We got like PPP loans. But was snuck in there was a major reform on how the FDA regulated over-the-counter drugs, like sunscreens. 

So before the CARES Act, it was a really, really, really slow and cumbersome process to get something approved, but it was kind of snuck in there in the CARES Act to make it a little more streamlined. That's when companies were becoming more interested in getting these ingredients approved, because they knew it was going to be a faster approval system. 

09:08 Julie Falls: Is it already available in sunscreens in Europe? 

09:10 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: Yes, it has been available in Europe since 2000. So part of the reason why we know that it's safe is from some of the information from Europe. 

09:19 Julie Falls: Is this new product, this new ingredient, reef safe?

09:23 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: No significant toxicity was demonstrated with the BEMT when it was tested to get the FDA approval status. They tested so many marine animals. They tested coral reefs. They tested sea urchins. They tested brine shrimp and zebrafish. And that's what they have to do to get these deemed to be reef safe. And compared to the one that we know is not reef safe, which is oxybenzone, which is the one that is not allowed in Hawaii. So the one we know is not reef safe, which is oxybenzone. 

There's no accumulation. It doesn't readily dissolve in water so it kind of sits in its form. And we believe that it is more reef safe than the ones that are banned and more reef safe than the old ones. And we feel very comfortable that it's going to be okay. 

10:11 Julie Falls: How does it interact with skin? 

10:14 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: Well, also in the FDA-approved studies, they did patch testing. So if you guys have ever seen patch testing, which is basically when little tiny, tiny band-aids are put on the back, typically it's on the back of the skin, to test for irritation, allergy. There were absolutely no significant irritation or allergic reactions whatsoever. So we think it's quite stable. 

As an ingredient, we know that it's irritant-free. But, again, the end result, the end formulation is always the last word on is this going to be safe or not, or irritating or not. 

10:41 Julie Falls: Also for children? Okay. 

10:42 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: Yeah. And it's FDA approved for six months and up. And part of the reason why it's six months and up is because we don't really recommend that babies go in the sun and wear sunscreen. We just want them to absolutely be covered up and seek shade. 

10:54 Julie Falls: We did a podcast a few years ago about a new sunscreen called Pavise, remember? 

10:59 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: Of course. 

10:59 Julie Falls: I know you happen to sell it. What is the difference in that? Because that was kind of a new ingredient as well. 

11:05 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: I still love that sunscreen. The main difference is that this is a chemical sunscreen called bemotrizinol, and that one was zinc oxide. Remember, that one was zinc oxide wrapped in diamonds. I know that sounds so elaborate, but part of the reason why it was wrapped in diamonds and diamond powder is because diamond powder would keep the zinc oxide stable. 

So this is a completely different sunscreen. It's in the chemical sunscreen category, not the physical sunscreen category. The other one was zinc oxide. 

And zinc oxide is still an excellent sunscreen. In fact, I predict that they're going to be combined in sunscreens together, because I think together it's going to make the perfect sunscreen, if that even exists. 

11:39 Julie Falls: Oh, wow. 

11:40 Trina Reneá: So I have a question. The media keeps throwing out that chemical sunscreens cause cancer and that you shouldn't use chemical sunscreens. So what are they saying about this chemical? Do we know yet? I mean, it got FDA approved, but there's other chemical sunscreens that are also FDA approved that people are saying cause cancers. 

12:02 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: You read the informed consumer reports, not the I'm-going-to-scare-you-into-submission reports. The AAD specifically warns against misinformation about sunscreen. The misinformation about sunscreen is causing people to use less and less sunscreen, and potentially increase their risks of skin cancer. 

With decades of use in Europe, we know that this one in particular doesn't cause cancer. It's approved under the G-R-A-S-E, the GRASE rules, which is generally recognized as safe and effective, in concentrations up to 6% topically. 

So we know that it was FDA approved as a generally recognized as safe and effective, not causing cancer. When the FDA approves a product, they check for carcinogenicity. So they check for cancer. Now, of course, it's not been studied for 50 years but, still, they're doing their testing. It checks for reproductive toxicity, it tests for irritation or allergic reaction. They're doing these studies. These studies are intense. They're rigorous, scientific studies. 

So, for media to throw out, “Oh, the chemical substance cause cancer,” it is hilarious. Based on what? 

13:05 Julie Falls: It drives me crazy. 

13:06 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: Based on the fact that they want to get you to watch so they can sell you more shit. And I'm sorry for that word, for swearing, but it drives me insane. 

13:14 Julie Falls: Drives me crazy. 

13:17 Trina Reneá: So annoying. 

13:17 Julie Falls: It's like a woman I knew who said she didn't want to put her child in a car seat in the car because what if there was a fire? That's what this reminds me of. That's better than putting it on and maybe I get cancer from the sunscreen. Oh my gosh. 

13:32 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: Well, your brain has a reasonable reaction to that, right? We know that UV radiation is a known carcinogen. We know that. So you're saying that something to protect against that is going to cause cancer? Based on what studies? Who the hell knows? They're just spewing misinformation.

So, we do not think it causes cancer. If you are really concerned about chemical sunscreens causing cancer, then wear clothes. Wear hats, wear shirts, wear sunglasses. I said this ad nauseum, I'm sure, on this podcast. It's like, yeah, okay, then just be quiet and wear some clothes. But guess what? These people aren't even wearing clothes. They just rather get sun. I think it's just a way for them to have an excuse to be tan. 

14:12 Julie Falls: What about mineral sunscreen? Do people feel safer with that? 

14:15 Trina Reneá: Yes. 

14:16 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: Yes. And I hear it more and more from my patients. Trina, I'm curious what you have to say, but more and more patients are like, “Oh, but I want a mineral sunscreen.” And I say, “Good. I like those too.” What's your experience with that, Trina? 

14:30 Trina Reneá: Oh, I have clients coming in and saying, “Oh, I'm listening to all this stuff that sunscreen is causing cancer.” And I'm just like, “Okay.”

So some people are saying, “Isn't it good enough to wear a sunscreen hat and wear sunscreen clothes?” 

And I said, “But your face is still exposed.” You know, the sun is bouncing off the cement, off the water. Your face is still exposed. Just because you're wearing a hat isn't protecting your face from exposure. 

15:00 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: But if they're really, really paranoid about sunscreens causing cancer, or even sunscreens causing acne for that matter-- my son, at least, cannot stand sunscreen on his face, but he completely covers up, so at least it's better than nothing. 

15:13 Trina Reneá: Wow. Right. 

15:13 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: Is it as good as covering up plus sunscreen? No. But I think those people who are paranoid…

15:19 Trina Reneá: Well, and you stay in the shade. 

15:21 Trina Reneá: Yeah. The fact that they're wearing hats is a huge bonus.

15:26 Trina Reneá: Yeah. I get sunburned in the shade with a hat with sunscreen clothing and sitting under an umbrella. I still get sunburned. 

15:36 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: But therein lies the fact that plants that are in the shade, they're still getting UV light, as are you when you're in the shade with your hat. You're right. It bounces off the water. It bounces off the wall. It is reflected all over. I mean, we don't have to be crazily paranoid about that because you're trying to protect, but at least you're not living on a beach chair in the shade. Then you would be fried every day. 

15:59 Julie Falls: I know that we've talked about this before, but I get asked this all the time. Is my tinted serum that has like a 40 in it good enough? I personally layer. I have my moisturizer and then I have my sunscreen and then I'll do my makeup. But I'll always be asked, “I'm wearing a foundation that has a little sunscreen in it. Is that enough?”

16:27 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: It's such a great question. It's better than nothing. The way to really be able to tell is if there was a UV filter they could see. You were mentioning that sunscreen that we'd had on last year. They have a special UV camera that goes into your phone. And you can put your sunscreen on. They sell these things as well. It's not just with that sunscreen. You can buy these little, tiny UV cameras, stick it in your phone. Your face will look like black paint when you first put your sunscreen on, even if it's just a little 15 in your makeup. But by 12:00, it's probably gone. By 4:00, it's definitely gone. 

But you know what? Maybe not. I think it's person dependent. It's formulation dependent. So in some people, those low SPF sunscreens and makeup are plenty. In other people, they're so oily, it's going to be gone in an hour. So it's so individual. It's such a hard question to totally fully answer. 

17:16 Trina Reneá: So I just wanted to know why it took the United States so long to get this ingredient into our marketplace. Do you know why it took so long to get approved, and why we are adding a new ingredient at this time into the marketplace? Is it because our ingredients we had here weren't working very well?

17:38 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: It's just that it was so cumbersome to get anything approved. Because, remember, sunscreens are considered over-the-counter drugs. And over-the-counter drugs have very strict rules about approval. But when the CARES Act was approved, they snuck in this way to reroute and make it more streamlined to FDA-approved over-the-counter drugs, including sunscreens, which is considered an over-the-counter drug. 

Were we desperate for more sunscreens? No, but Europe has shown us that they have so many really effective ingredients. This one in particular, it seems to be longer lasting on the skin, which is what we need, because we know that sunscreens are gone within two to three hours on some people. 

But I will say that when you look at what zinc oxide and titanium dioxide do as sunscreens, they're excellent, and they're chemical free. So do I think we have excellent sunscreens already? Absolutely. Do people want more new and better? Absolutely. And I'm excited about that, but it wasn't because our sunscreens are terrible. Our sunscreens are quite good, but people like new things. And companies want to invent a new ingredient that they can sell.

18:38 Trina Reneá: That's true. So we're looking to have this on the market in August? Like, people are going to be able to buy it in different brands?

18:46 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: Yeah. It was allowed to be on the market on August 9th, but I just haven't seen it yet on the market. But when it comes, you're going to see an onslaught of advertisements, I'm sure. It's just reinvigorating the sunscreen market. 

Of course, as a dermatologist, I think it's great. Having this conversation is great. But if you think that this is the only sunscreen in the world that's going to protect you, you're wrong, because there's so much stuff on the market that’s already excellent, right? 

19:09 Trina Reneá: Agreed. So my thought on wearing makeup with sunscreen is I think makeup with sunscreen is fine, but you're still going to have to reapply because it goes away. The FDA only has said that it lasts for up to two hours. So, somehow, you're going to have to reapply. I know nobody does that. 

And the SPFs that are higher than a 50 are pretty much a 50. And 50 is based on time, so SPF 30, SPF 50. The difference between those is so minute that it's like minutes. They say 30 to 50 is the range you want to be in. Anything above that isn't going to protect you that much more for that much more time at all. 

19:56 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: That's correct. 

19:57 Trina Reneá: But it's just important that you're wearing it. That's the important thing. 

20:03 Julie Falls: The other problem is if you're relying on makeup only, part of your sunscreen routine every day should be your neck, your chest, your hands, your arms. People are not going to put makeup there. So, another reason why you should be using a sunscreen. 

20:20 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: Yeah, you're right. But I do agree, Trina, no matter how much we'll recommend the things, people will do whatever they want to do. And they're not doing the right things all the time. You're in that industry where you're seeing their skin and you’re seeing the damage that they're creating. They come to you to help them, and you're like, “Wow, I wish you would just wear some more protection. It's not that hard.”

20:42 Trina Reneá: I know. To get people to put anything on their face sometimes is really hard. Then they end up in your office getting lasers and things to fill their mistakes later in life.

20:56 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: One of the most difficult areas to help with people cosmetically are their upper lip lines and their lower lip lines. They hate those, we call them paper cuts because they're these little tiny… One of the things I recommend is they have to wear-- there's a very affordable, very inexpensive chapstick out there with SPF 12, like 12 or 15. Again, when you put it on your lips and you just go a little over your lips, because you can't see it because it's chapstick. It's not greasy, it's not shiny, it's not lipstick, right? When you go a little bit around the pink, you're protecting yourself. When you go into the UV light, it's like black paint around your mouth. 

So when you see this and you don't see anything on your skin when you look in the regular mirror, you realize, “Okay, maybe I should be protecting myself more.”

And these are easy tricks that we can teach patients before they get these deep lines. And we can never make them disappear. 

21:44 Trina Reneá: Yeah. Those lines are just the worst thing ever. Nobody wants those lines because nobody can get rid of them. 

21:51 Julie Falls: Are they also genetic and they are also from drinking with straws? 

21:54 Trina Reneá: Yes. 

21:56 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: Yeah, and smoking. Yep, you're right. Some people pucker when they talk. 

22:01 Trina Reneá: Well, Dr. Vicki, do you have anything further to say about this ingredient, or can we close up this episode? 

22:07 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: Can I give some quick reminders about the fact that it's very photostable? It will stabilize other ingredients in the formulation. So if you see this new ingredient in a bottle of sunscreen, I think it's going to be a really good bet that it's going to last a long time. It's going to be not irritating. It will be reef safe. It's not going to hurt the coral. And, hopefully, it'll be many, many different price points so people can try it out for themselves. 

22:30 Trina Reneá: That's exciting. I can't wait. 

22:32 Julie Falls: Maybe when it comes out, we can talk about it. 

22:35 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: We can try it on our hands in front of people and put the black light on, and show how amazing it is. Maybe we do a seven-hour podcast and we see how long it lasts. 

22:45 Julie Falls: I love it.

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22:56 Julie Falls: We have our consumer corner now. We're going to review what's going on in the world of skincare, whether it's on TikTok, or questions from one of our listeners. 

Okay. So, is it true that Korean SPFs are better, Dr. Vicki? 

23:10 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: Trina, you go first, because I have lots of opinions on this. But I want to hear yours first. 

23:14 Julie Falls: Okay. Great. Trina. Trina, please. 

23:17 Trina Reneá: I feel that Korean SPFs have a very nice texture and they feel good on the skin. They have advanced ingredients, combinations that they're using and formulations that they could do over there that we can't do over here. It feels really good on the skin. 

I wouldn't say that they're better than American sunscreens. The texture feels better, and so that's why people like them. That's my opinion. 

23:45 Julie Falls: I think they're very elegant. They're almost all a little fragranced, which I don't like. That's my opinion. 

23:53 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: We have skincare show-and-tell in my office almost every lunchtime now, because all my staff is literally obsessed with Korean skincare. They go to Olive Young every single weekend. And they come back the next week with all the products that they've purchased. 

And it is a lot. They have a lot of products because some of these price points are 20 bucks, $18, $23. So they make a good paycheck. And they come in and we do show-and tell and it's interesting. 

I have to say I agree with Trina. The textures are very different. I mean, I'm looking at the ingredients. I'm recognizing a lot of the ingredients on the ingredient deck, but there's something about how they magically formulate some of these textures. They're beautiful. 

Are they better? Are the sunscreens better? No. They're lighter, though. A lot of these they're so light that people think that they're so beautiful. But does Supergoop! have a crazy, light, unseen sunscreen? There's so many light ones. 

There's so many products that we have as well. Are they better? No, they're not better. They're just, it's all the rage now. And their packaging is beautiful and their names are beautiful. 

But the truth be told, if you are looking for a very, very reasonably-priced sunscreen, we have them in America. They contain zinc oxide and titanium dioxide. You don't need to go to Korea or feel like you're missing out by not wearing a Korean skincare sunscreen, because ours are still wonderful. 

25:19 Trina Reneá: Agreed. 

25:20 Julie Falls: Having said that, if you're going to buy something and you have it, use it. 

25:26 Trina Reneá: Yes. 

25:27 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: Yeah. I think that that's another thing. I remember seeing a post, somebody, their bed was covered in products. There's no way, it's almost like hoarder mentality. There's no way that person is using all those products. 

So I agree with you, Julie. If you're going to buy it, use it. Use it everywhere. Use it on your hands, use it on your chest, use it up. Use it up before you go buy another one. Don't be a hoarder. 

25:48 Julie Falls: I have noticed that there is a product that I use that has been very beneficial in reversing some of my spots, my actinic keratosis. The product says that it will do that. So I think that there are things that are out there that are much more powerful than some of these light little, soft things. You know, it depends upon what your skin needs. Right? 

26:15 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: Yes. And I want to see the ingredients of that product. I'm curious what's in it. You've got me completely riveted. 

26:23 Julie Falls: I'm happy to share it on my Substack, because I love it. 

26:27 Trina Reneá: All right. Well, thank you for sharing this info. 

26:30 Julie Falls: Thank you, Dr. Vicki. 

26:33 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: Yeah, you guys had great questions. Thank you, guys, for your insight and your interest. 

26:36 Julie Falls: Of course. So much good information.

26:41 Trina Reneá: Okay, guys, we're going to say goodbye. And I wanted to say thank you for joining us. There's a few ways that you can help support us. Julie, can you tell them how? 

26:52 Julie Falls: First, tell a friend. If you've learned something today or you're enjoying the show, share it with someone you know. Word of mouth really matters. 

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27:16 Julie Falls: You can also follow us on social media @faciallyconscious for more from the show and updates on what is coming next. 

27:24 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: And you can subscribe to our Substack. I love our Substack. This is where we're going to go a little deeper on topics just like this one. 

27:31 Trina Reneá: Thanks so much, everyone, for listening. And we'll see you next time. Bye. Bye, ladies. 

27:37 Dr. Vicki Rapaport: Bye, everybody. 

27:38 Julie Falls: Wear your sunscreen.