S3E3 'At The Movies' Love Diane -Featuring Diane Keaton

speaker-0: you Based on what? What? You're wearing a white jacket, you look like a real doctor, you've got diplomas and a stethoscope? Relax, I wasn't gonna put you sleep for- ⁓ and what is that supposed to be? That humor or something? Now look, may I please have more coke before your next patient eats it? I am periodontal perspiration, I'm moving back to civilization, gonna get myself a nice little apartment, watch HBO, and have a real life again! ⁓ Hey.

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speaker-1: Well, we had some rain too, but it was nothing close to what you had to deal with. Cause I just, you know, I'm, I'm so spoiled over here. It's just like Ash, it's going to rain for. So yeah.

speaker-0: Ten minutes. can't go out. You poor thing. you get through it, I don't know.

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speaker-0: All right. End of story. Now I want to get talking about a topic. So let's take a little break, come back, and then we'll jump right into it.

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speaker-0: And he means it All right, so we're talking about a beloved actress who unfortunately passed away towards the end of 2025. But leading up to that, you know, we were approaching year end and a lot of the award shows do there in memoriam. So I Googled as one does and I came up with a pretty hefty list of well-known folks who have passed away. Now, granted, some were you know, age appropriate. They were up there. So I'm going to like run through them. June Lockhart was 100 years old.

speaker-1: How to Lockhart.

speaker-0: I don't if you ever saw a British show on TV called Keeping Up Appearances. The actress who played her, character was Hyacinth. Her last name was Bucket, but she made it sound like she was from a better, higher class, so she was Bouquet. That actress was 96. Gene Hackman, 95. Giorgio Armani, 91. Richard Chamberlain, 90. Robert Redford was 89. Anyway, so there's quite a few, I'm not gonna go through it, but there was singers, Roberta Flack at 88, Ruth Buzzi at 88, Loretta Switt at 87. And this actress, Diane Keaton, was 79. Unexpected death. Apparently she had some health issues that no one really knew about. So we'll talk about her today. the Oscars especially, they always do the memoriam, but this year especially when it aired, They did like an expanded version of it, if you will, because they focused a little bit on Diane Keaton, a little bit on Robert Redford, on Rob Reiner and his wife who were killed. ⁓ And they did a really nice tribute with him, where they, ⁓ Billy Crystal came out and spoke and talked about several of the more popular movies that he was well known for. And then the curtain came up and actors that appeared in those movies showed up. like Demi Moore and the guys from ⁓ now I'm forgetting the name of the first movie. Like a mockumentary about a rock band. ⁓ yes. Okay. This is final tap. Anyway, so several of those movies ⁓ where actors from those movies came in misery. So Kathy Bates. So there was quite a lineup. So that was nice. And ⁓

speaker-1: Spinal tap.

speaker-0: So that made me think about, you and I were talking and we both loved Diane Keaton, so we thought we would focus on her. And so we've come up with a new segment. Yes, I did, because I do.

speaker-1: I'm very excited about that. not going to more money for it, so just tell us what it is.

speaker-0: So I believe the working title segment for this is At the Movies and this one will be called Dear Diane. Yes. All right.

speaker-1: The segment is at the movies, right? So we're going to come back and do this a number of times because there are so many people out there. just really quickly, as you were mentioning those names, it'll be interesting to me to see how many people truly know them that are younger than us. They left such a legacy of film and movies and directing like Rob Reiner's had left us such a legacy of things. Right. Would anybody even remember he was on All in the Family? So it's very interesting.

speaker-0: Exactly. Right. So that's what prompted this. And so I thought I'd start with a quick bio of Diane. And then you and I talked about ⁓ chatting about some of our favorite of her movies, two or three favorites. Right.

speaker-1: We kind of had the limited to top two because there's so many and I went down a rabbit hole getting clips from all these movies. anyway, sorry. Please go ahead. I've got some factoids to add to your, your info after you're done.

speaker-0: Okay, great. All right. So as I said, she unexpectedly passed away at the age of 79 in October of 2025. Born and raised in Los Angeles. She's an actress for more than 50 years. She appeared in, according to Google, 62 films. But aside from an actress, she actually directed some films and a documentary and some music videos, including Belinda Carlisle's Heaven is a Place on Earth. She ⁓ directed a few ⁓ episodes of some well-known TV shows like China Beach and Twin Peaks. She was a producer and executive producer. She did appear in some television roles early on in her career as a guest in know, cop shows and whatever. And then she did some, a few movies and miniseries. Always known as a fashion icon. ⁓ She did some singing. And she actually did some singing in some of her movies. I think in one of the movies, she didn't appear as an actress, but they went to a lounge and she was the singer in the lounge. Could have been uncredited. I don't know. Yeah. She got into still photography and did quite a lot with that. She was a real estate developer. I did not know that.

speaker-1: Like an uncredited part or something? didn't, I knew she had a great interest in architectural buildings, obviously, that she would like to restore or she was working on preservation for them.

speaker-0: Yes. Exactly. That's what that led into that. I think that tied in with her photography too, just taking pictures of these beautiful buildings. Never married, but in her 50s, she adopted a son and a daughter. So she started acting on stage. She was in the original Broadway production of Hair in 1968. And the funny thing was she was started as an understudy and then she had to step into the role of, and I've never seen it, but I mean, quite controversial at the time because ⁓ on stage, all or most of the actors had to get nude. And she didn't want to. And they did say it was optional. So you didn't have to, but that was kind of the premise of it. So that was her first Broadway production was Hair in 1968. ⁓ She appeared in her first onscreen movie in 1970. She had a small role in a movie called Lovers and Other Strangers. from her 62 films. You can tell she excelled in both dramatic and comedic roles. She did eight films with Woody Allen, ⁓ played against Sam Sleeper, Love and Death, Annie Hall, Interiors, Manhattan, Radio Days, Manhattan Murder Mystery. ⁓ She won a lead actress Oscar for Annie Hall in 1977, nominated three other times for an Oscar. And she won assorted Golden Globes, Green Actors Guild. She won was nominated for Tony and a couple of Emmys. just the top films, and there were a lot of them, The Godfather, one, two, and three, Looking for Mr. Goodbar, Reds, Shoot the Moon, Mrs. Soffle, Crimes of the Heart, Baby Boom, that was a popular one, Father the Bride, one, two, and three, ⁓ The Fabulous, The First Wives Club with Goldie Hawn and Bette Midler. Marvin's Room, Something's Gotta Give, one of my favorites that I'll talk about, and The Family Stone, which is another one that I'll talk about. So those are some of the highlights, if you will, and there's a lot of them. So do you have anything to add in terms of?

speaker-1: Apparently not because you took our ball from me No, I mean but here's the thing I do have a couple little factoids to do but I will add something to all the movies that I talk about maybe we can do with you it's called LKF's which is little-known facts Okay, the actual movie, but ⁓ I guess the one thing that we you didn't get you covered it very well So thank you for that. Thanks a lot

speaker-0: All the way. ⁓ No.

speaker-1: But just so I can do, I can add that you're correct. She did 62 movies. There's a lot of information we could gather that were the same thing. So the only thing that you didn't mention was the top grossing movies that she was in was Something's Gotta Give was her top grossing movie. The Godfather was number two, believe it or not. The First Wife Club was number three. Godfather Part Three was number four. Family Stone was number five. And The Father of the Brides were six and seven. And you're never gonna believe this because as much as we love Diane, I know... I think I reminded you about this. One time you and I went to a movie of hers in San Francisco and they can't all be winners, right? Sometimes you make a dog of a movie and actually because I said so was the movie because I did look it up. And I remember we were looking at each other going, ⁓ Diane, maybe not this time, but that was actually the eighth top grossing film that she did.

speaker-0: like

speaker-1: Probably because it was done in the middle 2000, early 2000s and Mandy Moore was in it and there were a lot of name recognition. So, you know, we do love her and that's why we're speaking about her. And ⁓ sometimes they don't, you know, I'm sure a lot of people did love that movie because it was up there in the top 10 with top grossing. So people went to see it, but I remember you and I coming out going, maybe not. This time Diane.

speaker-0: This time. Yeah, go ahead.

speaker-1: No, I'm sorry. I mean, the reason why we're talking about her too is because she is such... Some people do not care for her acting style because she's very... ⁓ She seems to be very ⁓ the cuff and she does a lot of improvisation, it seems like. Right. But I think a lot of it... I couldn't tell if a lot of it is. I know Woody Allen films are sometimes very... ⁓ They let them take a lot of leeway with the script and work around that. But I mean, many times... ⁓ I love her because she's so quirky.

speaker-0: off the.

speaker-1: I love her fashion style. brought back a lot of, ⁓ she brought back like basically taking menswear and taking that because, and there's a reason for it, which I'll share at the end about the little known facts about her. ⁓ but there's reasons, but she was so iconic because she had her own style. had the hat, she had the big belt around her waist all the time, oversized jackets, iconic, iconic, iconic. Yes. And the children love to use that word, but I truly believe that.

speaker-0: She's big on gloves.

speaker-1: because of her legacy and all the information you gave us. She truly is iconic because of the number of years she was in the business. She was her own person. She definitely had her personality that you could see in every single film she did. Maybe when she was doing, because I'm not sure where the first Godfather movie was, but that was a long time ago. Yes. So, I mean, I think I'm sure she was following the script and trying to do a good job as one of her first big roles. But later on, you could see that

speaker-0: That was in early 70s.

speaker-1: the other films are definitely got her persona all over it. So I do truly love her. I truly love watching her. You know, as I said, there's sometimes the movie's not something to my personal liking, but overall, I mean, I got to say most every film that I see her in, I truly enjoy. anyway.

speaker-0: Yeah, think the fact, you she was 79, so it was pretty young and it was unexpected. So that was the thing that I think when she passed away, I mean, you're always sad when someone that you admire or like their work, they pass away. But in her case, there was little bit more of a connection, I think, that, you know, people really appreciate her. yeah, that's why I'm glad that we start with her and we will talk about other artists in the episodes to come. But this is the first one to jump it off. with that, start with a line, one of her famous lines, la de da, la de da. Anyhow, I didn't pick that as one of my two or three we're going to talk about, but ⁓ do you want to talk about one of your films that you've

speaker-1: that from? ⁓ Annie Hall! Well, I do, but I think I want to kind of say that the interesting thing, and I'm leaving one out because we decided to go for top two, but one of the ones, I have to say these two films, one that I won't speak at length about, were truly comfort movies for me. We all have those movies that we come back to all the time. And I actually owned these movies on VHS and I would watch them constantly. And whenever I was watching regular television, which I never do anymore, whenever those films came on, I truly was obsessed with them. ⁓ And the one that I'm gonna leave off, but won't go into too much depth with was Crimes of the Heart. ⁓ Now the thing about that film, and I'll give you some quick ones, I know I'm not gonna go into depth with it, but it was truly, again, one of those ones I had always ⁓ at the ready with my VHS, because I could put that film on and remember it for its quirkiness. ⁓ It actually had Diane Keaton, of course, but it also included Sissy Spacek and Jessica Lange.

speaker-0: Okay. ⁓ yeah, wow.

speaker-1: major actors out there in the world. And it was a 1986 film based on a play that was on Broadway. And it was just a quirky, you know how people like to talk about quirky Southern families. Basically it was that the premise was that the youngest character played by Sissy Spacek shot her husband because he was abusive to her. But the other thing was that Diane Keaton, of course, played the spinster sister who was very quirky and erratic and jumpy. And Jessica Lange played the little, you know, like world weary actress out in the world who came back to town because she, ⁓ she didn't make it. Somebody else that came in and will come up in another movie was Sam Shepard, who was at the time married to Jessica Lange. And Jessica Lange was actually pregnant with her second child while filming that movie.

speaker-0: you Okay.

speaker-1: So Sam Shepard soaps up in another movie that I'm talk about later. But again, the quirkiness about it was funny because they talked about their mother who had committed suicide, but also the cat committed suicide. it was, and it sounds worse than it is, but this film is so fun and quirky. Tess Harper, if you're familiar with her, is a wonderful character actor. They call her a chick the stick. And they like, and there's a scene with Diane Keaton actually chases her around the room with a broom. ⁓

speaker-0: and matter.

speaker-1: And the big thing is that they're coming back to come, they come back as a family and they're, dealing with this as a family, dealing with, course, their, their families idiosyncrasies. But it's just one of those good films at the end. had a very typical ending where everything ends up in there. have a birthday cake. But again, I truly love that film. It's something I come back to all the time. Amazing cast. It's so fun to see these actors in their primes. I mean, it was about 86. So that was a chunk of time ago.

speaker-0: Yeah.

speaker-1: ⁓ Again, sorry, I had to mention it as a-

speaker-0: I mean, there's, there was, was hard to limit as you go through all the films, like, some I'd seen a long time ago, some of these and I've never seen, but ⁓

speaker-1: Why don't you go ahead, I spewed a little bit about that one. Why don't you take off your-

speaker-0: first one? Well, I picked three as well, but I will drop one off. one I dropped off was ⁓ early, 1982, Shoot the Moon, ⁓ a heavy drama, family drama. ⁓ She co-stars with Albert Finney as her husband. And they ⁓ live in Marin County. So there's some filming in Marin and San Francisco. ⁓ You can tell from the very beginning of movie that their marriage is not in a good place. And they have four young daughters.

speaker-1: You can talk about that when you drop.

speaker-0: the oldest of which is an actress named Dana Hill, who I don't know much about her now, but back then she was a pretty popular ⁓ young actress. She's the oldest of the four daughters and is the one that has the most dramatic part because she's older. She's, I'm going to guess 12 or 13. So she's old enough to understand what's going on between her parents and their marriage. you can see the tension between her and her father. And it's not an easy film to watch because it's about divorce and how it impacts the kids and it's a tough subject, but she did an amazing job in it. So Karen Allen plays his love interest. Peter Weller plays her love interest and just told the whole family drama. The little trivia is that, I don't know she's the youngest, but of the four daughters, one of the younger ones, is an actress, Tina Yathers, who was more famous on Family Ties. Yes. She was the younger daughter. Wow. The blonde one whose name character I can't remember right now. But it was fun to see her. mean, she must have been like seven or eight years old in the movie.

speaker-1: And here's what I love about researching these, because I did take a look at some clips from that film and it was like, I have to see that. I need to see that film because it was really, you know, it was done at the time with, was it eighties? 82. So around the same time they were talking about these other films, but I have to say I was really intrigued by it it looked like a good film, a little tough to watch, but.

speaker-0: Hi 82. Yes, because there's just a lot of what I guess, know, rawness to it because they're just, you know, they're so hurt and angry with each other. And how do they navigate that and then how the kids see that and take that in. So it was, it was a tough one to watch, but it was good.

speaker-1: typically see her and because you always think of her as this quirky light bubbly rom-com kind of actress right yeah I would like to see her

speaker-0: Which leads me to what I consider one of my favorites and you said is one of her top moneymakers is something's got to give. 2003. So she plays a playwright and a divorced mom. She has an adult daughter who they live in New York, but she, of course she has a house, like an amazingly gorgeous house in the Hamptons.

speaker-1: I remember it.

speaker-0: Frances McDormand plays her sister, plays Diane's sister in it. Amanda Peet plays her daughter. And the movie starts out where the daughter is dating Jack Nicholson, a much older man who his character, he's like a record executive, lots of money, but he's, I don't know if he's ever been married, but his thing is like he likes dating them young. And so Diane Keaton's daughter is one of them, of a long list of young women he's dated. But he never commits to any of them. It's like a fling and then he moves on. And so the movie starts where Amanda Pede and Jack Nichols head to the house to spend the weekend in the Hamptons. And then Diane Keaton shows up unexpectedly because she wants to go and write because she's working on her next piece. And he has some health issues. He can't leave the area. Oh, and Keanu Reeves makes a really good role as a doctor and a love interest because he's totally fascinated with the Diane Keaton character. A big fan of hers and her work, I've seen everything you've done. And he's like fawning over her. So it's a very sweet romantic comedy and that quirkiness that you talk about in her, you know, she has that, she's got her comedic moments. I'm sorry, I apologize about the near arrest. You were very impressive, very strong, very macho. I don't think I was exactly macho. Trust me.

speaker-1: day.

speaker-0: If I ever get you guy in his underwear in my refrigerator, I hope I'm half the man you were, Mrs. Right. Okay. Whatever. interplay between her and Jack Nicholson is great. plays, she's in her fifties in the movie, like mid fifties and he's 63 in the movie. And one of the things I, I, um, was an interview, uh, came out in a figure what publication? but initially Nancy Myers is the one who I think wrote and directed it. And she said, studios initially passed on the project with the director recalling that no one wanted to see people of a certain age be sexy. Keaton told Ladies Home Journal, let's face it, people my age and Jack's age are much deeper, much more soulful because they've seen a lot of life. They have a great deal of passion and hope. Why shouldn't they fall in love? Why shouldn't movies show that? So there was resistance at first, like, nobody's going to watch this. And it ended up being a hit for her. I think she got nominated for an Oscar for that.

speaker-1: That was her number one grossing film that I mentioned earlier.

speaker-0: as she says, and her favorite movie that she made. ⁓

speaker-1: ⁓ really, did she say that? do not. Okay. Because I got to say looking at the clips, I do have a fabulous clip for us to share with that because she is a playwright and she cries when she writes. Yes.

speaker-0: So it's a fun movie. So it's a fun movie. It's very romantic. And then they also do shoot some scenes in Paris. She wants to go spend her birthday there. So she goes with Keanu Reeves and then Jack Nicholson shows up unexpectedly. And there's this awkwardness. It's a very very sweet movie. So that's the basic premise. You know, it's just a really sweet I have it on DVD I watched it the other day. I hadn't seen it in a while, but it's it's one of those Movies that I would watch over and again

speaker-1: Yeah. And I got to say, going back to the clips, I did see it initially in the move in the theater, I think, but I'm going to actually pull it out tonight, I think, and watch it because I I forgot how funny it is. And there's a lot of interchanges with, ⁓ she and Jack Nicholson when they're kind of sparring a little bit and she's speaking French in a, ⁓ some, ⁓ grocery store or something. And she's talking about rap music and yeah. So there's some good stuff in there. And, ⁓ what's the other, ⁓ Frances McDormand.

speaker-0: Yeah. normally the roles, I've not seen many of her movies, but she plays like this rough, gruff, hard edge character. And this one, she's very sweet. And she's of course pushing Keanu and Lachey together.

speaker-1: is in there. And he's adorable in this film. I saw the... very adorable. ⁓ my gosh. It's amazing. It's not a character he would normally play either, I don't think.

speaker-0: Hey, Yeah, I mean, he's had some, ⁓ you know, he was the ⁓ movie Sandra Bullock where they're on the bus. ⁓ He was very good in that. He did a movie with Patrick Swayze where he's ⁓ like an FBI guy who goes undercover. He was very good in that. So he's done a lot of good roles, but this one was, he doesn't do a lot of romantic comedy movies. ⁓ I mean, so different from like The Matrix, for example. But yeah, thought he was, I thought the whole cast was really good in this. So that would be one of my favorites. Yeah. Yeah. So I'll end it right there on that one.

speaker-1: But that yeah, I truly I loved it after I saw the clips and your I loved the clips and I'm gonna include that in one of our reels or part of this because they're too good not to show especially the crying She's amazing I love her in this but she's truly being herself I think also on top of her character, but actually I forgot to mention, you know There are a couple scenes where she's you know, and I don't want to give it away. Well, we can give it away ⁓ She's truly in love with Jack Nicholson and Jack Nicholson doesn't want to be with her and he

speaker-0: Yeah.

speaker-1: She literally tells him, this is what heartbroken looks like. Right. And it's just, ⁓ my gosh, it was so at the time it was really sad. So amazing tiered, like amazing, almost tearjerker film, but great, great entertainment. Loved her in it. So.

speaker-0: age appropriate for their roles, Absolutely. I he played a 63 year old who liked dating younger women and that was like maybe similar to him in life, right? Yeah. But the two of them paired well together. I don't know if they've ever worked together, but they paired really well together and the material just suited them. Yes. And so, yeah, I think just had a lot of bonus points for me. But like, yeah, very funny, very touching, very romantic, very sweet. definitely one of my top favorites.

speaker-1: Well, we'll go to my next one, which is gonna say my number one favorite. I must say, although through all of her films, need, there's a lot more I need to see, but I am addicted to and still have a copy of Baby Boom from 1987. is, to me, there's so many iconic lines in there too. It's an 80s film, but again, I think that was one of her prime movies. It didn't show up on the top 10 list, but it was a really well-received film. It also included Harold Ramis, Sam Shepard again, who plays a doctor, and James, a young James Spader, who plays this like assistant inside of her advertising, or the company that she works for. She's basically called the Tiger Lady, and she is like, she wears the big shoulder pads, and it's very 80s into 90s fashion. The big belt, very much her iconic Diane self, but she looks like obviously a very powerful ⁓ person in the New York ⁓ fast lane going, making lots of money. She's best. They basically have no time for children. live in a very high, a huge apartment, lots of artwork in there. And all of a sudden she discovers that she inherited something from one of her cousins that she hadn't seen back in the sixties. And when she, There's a scene where she actually comes to pick it up. She's signing for, so what I get is a million dollars. It ends up being a baby. She's like, no, I don't have a baby. I've got a 1230 appointment. I can't have a baby right now. So.

speaker-0: Baby! So I did see it when it first came out. So how is it that she got the baby? Did she pass away?

speaker-1: Her relative passed away and part of the will stated that since she's the only next of kin that she would take the child. And she didn't really read that. She just thought it was money or something and they didn't really state it. there's a little fuzziness in that part of it. But again, she and Harold Ramis live in a very beautiful high-rise on Fifth Avenue. Everything's pristine. Everything's gorgeous. And all of a sudden she decides to put the baby up for adoption. And she, the very end, cause the baby is very much attached to her and she takes it to the adoption agency and she's ready to go. And then she hears the baby crying and she walks out the door. And of course, the next scene she comes back out, she's got the baby in her arms. She's walking out of the huge, ⁓ fifth avenue business office. And she's just looking at her saying, Hey, don't expect a lot from me, kid.

speaker-0: Uggies, super trim, okay large, 23 pounds and over, medium, 20, 12, 12 to 24 pounds and newborn is up to 14 pounds, okay so you're not newborn are you? How much do you weigh anyway? 22... 22 pounds. Okay.

speaker-1: And basically what happens is she finds that, you know, at the time there's a big message in the 80s and 90s that women can have it all and do everything. And this is still at the end part of the message, but at this time, basically she finds that she can't really take care of the baby, run her work the way she wants to. And basically they take her off accounts and they try and give her something, but she literally says, nope. And she's always been looking at a farmhouse in Vermont. So she actually takes the baby and goes to Vermont, her boyfriend. And of course the, the farmhouse in Vermont has huge amounts of things wrong with it. There's all kinds of, there's a great scene, which I will put in here too, about how she gets yupped and noped from all the locals. Cause everybody's like, you know, you can get there from here. And there's a lot of that. And she just likes, if you yelp me or note me one more time, and then she passes out next to well.

speaker-0: I'm gonna get out of here. You see? I need to work. I need people. I need a social life. I need sex! Please, please, I'm married. I'm gonna dribble off and die here! I mean, how much painful is a person supposed to be able to make in their lifetime? I mean, I am a career woman. I am used to having phone lists and dinner meetings. Do you know what I mean? Uh, no. No!

speaker-1: Man

speaker-0: I had it with whiskers and plans. Look at me. I am going nuts. I used to be cute. I am not prepared for wells to run dry. I just want to turn on the faucet and have water. I don't want to know where it's going.

speaker-1: It's a wonderful scene of her. And of course, like I said, Sam Shepard's in there who of course plays a vet. And she goes in there because there's basically she's had some kind of a breakdown after this scene that I just spoke about. And she goes into an office and of course there's Sam Shepard with a white, the, whatever you call the smock or whatever, and a stethoscope around him. And she's talking to him and she's like, you know, letting those and saying, you know, I just want to go back and I'm really sad and I'm kind of lonely. And all of a sudden she turns around and a horse walks in and she's like, what are you, what kind of doctor are you? And he's a vet. He's the only doctor in town and a horse walks in and she's running around and then she turns around. And of course she opens up the curtain and this huge pig on, on a operating table. she, but it's, it's wonderful because she does eventually, of course, like all rom-coms she falls for the doctor. Of course she hates them at first, then they course work through it. the interesting thing too, it's a very quick turn is that, you know, she was a business person, right? So there's nothing to do during the winter except canned fruit. And she has an orchard of apples. So basically she makes baby sauce or baby applesauce during the winter. And she ends up having like jars and jars and jars and jars of this stuff. And she takes it to the local store. And all these local, sorry, not local, these New Yorkers come in for the weekend to Vermont because that's what they do. And they say, oh, what a cute baby. Oh, what a great idea. You should make this. You should do this. And all of a sudden she gets the idea that I'm going to market this stuff because no one has this niche in the food market. Eventually she builds the business, builds the business. gets to become taken. And of course the company that fired her wants her to come back and rep the baby food company. business and she basically turns it down and goes back to her farm in Vermont with Sam Shepard and the baby. And it's just really, and she does get to have it all because she can run her business. She can have her family. She can have ⁓ a love interest at the same time. So she can have it all. So it's a really, really great message of a movie too. And I do have some ⁓ LNFs which LKFs, which is little known facts about it real quick. ⁓ Basically this.

speaker-0: there.

speaker-1: This movie was kind of what people are saying was the premise for the Hallmark movie formula where there's something happens to the person. get, they fall out of favor. They go and take care of a business or grade a new business and come back and they fall in love and everybody ends up happily ever after. There was, believe it or not, there was a spinoff from this movie called baby boom with Kate Jackson from Charlie's TV series. TV series that came out of it for one year.

speaker-0: or TV.

speaker-1: It didn't last very long, know, was Joey Behar was in it too, believe it wow. Isn't that funny? Yeah, so there was.

speaker-0: remember a TV series, I just don't remember who started it, so it's kind Yes.

speaker-1: It wasn't, it didn't ill-fated, I guess. It wasn't the right genre for TV at the time, but yeah. And the only other thing I had about that was that the baby, the actual baby who were played by twins, came back and there was a reunion 30 years, because it's been, think, 30-some odd years since that movie came out. And the twins are all grown up and they came and met their beautiful young ladies. And it was funny because the one last thing is that whenever... the babies were handed off to another actor, they would start to cry. They got so attached to Diane that they just didn't want to be held by anybody else. So again, my absolute favorite movie of hers, I love her in it. I love how she dresses. I love how she acts. There's so many good scenes from that. So yeah, that would be my number one.

speaker-0: Nice. All right. Well, something's gotta give us my number one. So my other one is one I'd not seen before, but it was made around the same time as something's gotta give. ⁓ It's a holiday movie called The Family Stone from 2005. I'd heard about it and I've heard that it's one of those holiday movies that people see every year. For whatever reason, I'd never seen it. And so I saw it the other night here on TV and

speaker-1: What's yours?

speaker-0: I was amazed just by the cast. So obviously Diane Keaton, she's the mother. The father is Craig T. Nelson. They have five children. Among them, the actors are Rachel McAdams, Dermot Mulroney, and Luke Wilson. The other daughter and son, I don't know their work, so ended the names in Ring of Bell. ⁓ And then Sarah Jessica Parker plays the love interest of the Dermot Mulroney character. And they said she was filming this movie at the same time as she was still doing Sex and the City. And she said she wanted to do a different character than what people had seen her for years in that role. So her character is this tightly wound, uptight, closed off, not very likable character at all. but, know, Dermot Maroney is like, she's the one. And he brought her to the family home. Again, some gorgeous home in like Vermont or Connecticut or somewhere for the holidays to spend with the family. He's very close with the family. They always get together on the holidays. I guess a few of them hadn't met her before, like in the city, and weren't really pleased. You weren't really happy with her and like, she's not right for you. So there's that tension. So she's feeling uncomfortable. already meeting the rest of the family. So she invites her sister, who's played by Claire Danes, to come and spend Christmas with her there. So she's staying at the hotel in town and so she's mixing in. So there's a lot of tension. There's some drama, there's some comedy. One of the ⁓ sons is gay and deaf and that becomes those two issues alone, being gay and being deaf, ⁓ fodder for some tension and some drama at the dinner table one night where Sarah Jessica's character is just like, shut up.

speaker-1: I this thing. I got to say, I have to give her credit because there are some very cringe, tightly cringey moments of things that she says that are so inappropriate for the family. remember, I actually have that scene in my mind because I saw it today where she says what she says and it just, she's just so, Sarah Jessica, I think is just so uptight and so awkward in those situations. The family is very loving and so sweet to each

speaker-0: I mean, the whole family are a lot to take together as one big punch, right? So I can understand her character's trepidation and like, you don't know everyone and you're not just like going to visit for a dinner, you're staying for like a long weekend or something over the holidays. So she gave up other plans and she's very, know, whatever she does for work, she's very busy and like always on the phone. So that was hard for her character to get away from work and then spend... I don't know, three, four days, whatever it was in this home with the whole family where they're all around her and she can't breathe. So, I mean, I can understand where she could, you have some trepidation, but they're funny. They're quirky. They're on top of each other. They're in each other's business. And you see how some of the dynamics change. She likes Luke Wilson was one of the other brothers. And then when Dermot Mulroney meets her sister Claire Danes. He's like, oh, and the rest of the family is like, he's the one you should marry. We like her. So there's this, you know, topsy turvy thing going on in the house. And then there's the, not a secret, but the drama that not everyone knows about that I didn't know about until you watched the movie. it's 21 years old, so I think they can it away. that the Diane character movie before the movie starts has had breast cancer. and she's on remission, but then as the family gathers, the cancer's back. So by the time the movie ends, they jump ahead to a year later, the next Christmas, they all get together and you see who's paired off with who. ⁓ And Diane's character's not there. She has passed away in that year. So having seen that after her in real life passing away recently, it kind of, you know, everything started connecting.

speaker-1: There's some gut-wrenching moments in that, I that in a very good way. mean, how powerful the movie was to me, especially the scene where, after Sarah Jessica mentions the part about not wishing to have a gay child, where she gets, it almost makes me cry when I think about it, because it made me cry when I saw that, because she, her deaf son who can read lips, who knows what Sarah Jessica's saying, and also Craig T. Nelson, who basically tells her to be quiet.

speaker-0: Right. Yeah.

speaker-1: She then, because he's not looking at her, she throws a fork at his plate and she signs to him how much she means to me, how much she means to the family and how he is normal and there's nothing wrong with him. And it's just a heart wrenching moment. Seeing her again, because she's doing it the way she would do it, the way she would deliver a line.

speaker-0: It's a great heart. Bye. and you are more normal than any other asshole sitting in the

speaker-1: It's a movie. the river line. And then there's another scene where Claire Danes tries to say something and she just says, knock it off, enough. I've had enough. she, I can see where, you know, the two characters out of the family are trying to be perfect or trying to be good for them. another, we're to get to the Dormant Moroni scene too, where she tells him, stop trying to be perfect. You don't need to marry someone.

speaker-0: They're cutting. You can't fix it. not even by getting married. I know this is probably a tall order, but I need you to do me a favor and try not to be so perfect, alright? Perfect, perfect. I hate to see you miss out on...

speaker-1: You don't need to marry someone to be perfect and you can't fix this right by getting married right? It's like ⁓ my god. I was just like It's like it's such a good film and so powerful. Yeah, I truly loved that

speaker-0: It just, you know, when you think of a family, you know, a holiday movie. Yes. There's definitely a twist on it because it's not what I expected. Cause I didn't know anything about it going into it. Cause I'm watching it all firsthand as it's happening.

speaker-1: ⁓ yeah, and right. So this was the first time you'd seen it all the way through. Well, I'm sure it'll be one of your favorites again. it's like.

speaker-0: Yeah, I was, I think, most impressed by ⁓ the number of ⁓ recognizable actors that were in there. Just to see that ensemble of everyone playing off each other and whether it's a dramatic moment or a comedic moment, they all just did really well. Rachel McAdams, who her daughter, I sent you the clip from this year's Academy Awards when they did the memoriam and she spoke for Diane. And I thought her tribute was really, really sweet and very genuine and made me tear up. So ⁓ I'm not going to try and replicate what she said, but I would say go on YouTube, look up this year's ⁓ Academy Awards for 2025 and look for the tribute to Diane Keaton. And Rachel McAdams did an amazing job in that.

speaker-1: Absolutely. And if you want a good cry, watch the whole movie. And if you want a little cry, just go look it up on Instagram and just pull the moments out when she's actually speaking and doing her thing, Diane, in that movie. There's another scene that I recall is when Sarah Jessica actually gives the family framed pictures of her. And there's a part where she, Rachel McAdams is actually in, she's pregnant with Rachel McAdams' character. And she tells Sarah Jessica Parker, like, you did good.

speaker-0: Right.

speaker-1: Like she's by giving this gift to everybody. Everyone was so touched. It's another cry moment. It's like, ⁓ my God, there's so many moments in there. just say, ⁓ it's such a good film. I loved this film.

speaker-0: Yeah, so it was definitely, I very much enjoyed it. ⁓ I love a good cry, so if I watch a movie and I have no problem, no shame in crying, ⁓ it touches you in some way, right? I think there's something about it.

speaker-1: Yes. And she's so good in it. She's just so bloody good in it.

speaker-0: You have it. that was my number two.

speaker-1: Okay. So on a lighter note, my number two, is some, but, another film that maybe not a lot of people know about, but I remember seeing, and I actually looked it up again. It's called five flights up. And Diane Keaton and Morgan Freeman. And it's kind of, it's a wonderful, lovely film. Uh, it was done in 2014 and basically the premise is Diane Keaton and Morgan Freeman are a couple that have been together in a Brooklyn apartment for about 40 years.

speaker-0: ⁓ I'm ready. ⁓ wow! Okay.

speaker-1: And it's kind of not the, not the, it doesn't go into the normal tropes of people having dementia or aging out. It's basically how they're dealing with society now. And also they're just, the fact is they live in a five flight walkup in Brooklyn, no elevator, five flight. They have a dog named Dorothy. And, and you know, the dog was a gift, course, from Morgan Freeman, who was an artist who paints. who loves the light inside this beautiful old walkup that they've lived in for, as I said, 40 years. The reality is they're in their seventies. So walking up five flights of stairs is harder. Obviously it's hard for me right now and I'm only 47. So imagine what it's going to be like. I'm only 47. I'm only, anyway, yes, yes. But again, you know, it's the normal things as we age, all the normal things come up.

speaker-0: Sorry.

speaker-1: Living in Brooklyn, it may not be as safe as it used to be. There's a lot of things going on in the world. So basically they decide or tried to decide if they should sell the apartment and move to Manhattan to a much smaller place where it could be cleaner. They'd have an elevator, be in a co-op, much easier way to get around than getting on the train and going into the city or whatever. So they play around with this idea and they meet the real estate agent, very pushy lady who's played by Cynthia Nixon. ⁓ ⁓ So she's really pushing them to do that. And of course, there's a scene where they have an open house and everyone makes fun of the house like it's living in my grandma's house. And there's a little kid playing with the light switches and everyone's, you know, making fun of the house basically. they're kind of, and Morgan Freeman's character, I should have said, does not want to move. He doesn't want, but Diane Keaton wants to try and see if this would work for them because she realizes that he's having a hard time, but he's still painting. again, But the thing is that the wonderful thing about this is they have their routine, they have their neighbors. Like any of us who've lived in a neighborhood for a number of years, you establish routines and friendships and, neighbors that, you know, you know well and some of you don't know well, but you get used to it. And of course there's Dorothy the dog who plays a little pivotal role by because she ends up getting sick. And it's very expensive for them to take care of this dog. And so they didn't know what was wrong with her. But again, Dorothy was a gift from Morgan Freeman to Diane Keaton's character. So it means a lot to them. And then they're trying to be practical because what happens to Dorothy is he said last time we took her, it cost us $700 to find out she had gas. So this time, we found out that she had a herniated disc and it was going to be about $10,000 to do the operation on Dorothy, who's a little bit older too, but he ends up, he comes down to basically Morgan Freeman says it doesn't matter how much it costs. take care of Dorothy. That's because she's basically part of their family.

speaker-0: Maybe we should take her to the vet. last year? Cost us $700 to find out she had gas. Around $1,000. You just have to be ready for the worst. 10 years old. You're older than her in dog years. What is it gonna be? What are her odds? 60-40?

speaker-1: No

speaker-0: At least $1,000. Well, that's a lot of money. Listen, I want you to do whatever's necessary to save Dorothy. The money doesn't matter. OK? She won't. She won't.

speaker-1: ⁓ So they make a decision to do that. ⁓ At the end of the day, ⁓ they decide not to move. They decide to stay. Because, know, like any of us, like, you know, they love where they live. They'll deal with it as it comes. They're going to stay together. They're not going to give up this life that they have to move.

speaker-0: make me realize that we're just like everybody else today. Why are we moving? Haven't we built a good life? I just want what's best for you and us. It was worth it if only for that. Maybe one day we'll sell. Stop climbing the stairs. But for now, we'll just deal with what is.

speaker-1: to move to a new place. basically it was really just a wonderful film. It's a small film. Not a lot of people saw it, I don't think. Some little known facts about it was that Diane Keaton said that she loved kissing Morgan Freeman on film more than anyone else she's ever kissed. I know. They're both actually, you mentioned before, which I didn't realize this, that She and Morgan are both mentioned ⁓ as singers in their film. They sang songs and were given credits for it. I didn't either, but I mean, I don't know. Maybe they sang in the background or something, but they were given credits for that too. yeah, I mean, and this story from her kissing Morgan Freeman came on a Jimmy Kimmel Live where he's like, ⁓ I didn't know about that. And he started talking about how to kiss people. So.

speaker-0: I didn't know he sang.

speaker-1: But again, really cute film. I'm sure you would enjoy it. think people would love it. It's a good film. It's not, I won't say melancholy. It's not poignant. It's poignant in points, but it's also basically a very good heartfelt story because this couple has decided to stay together, stick it through, take care of their dog, and continue their way of life that they find is the most enjoyable rather than...

speaker-0: because I'd not heard it.

speaker-1: making huge adjustments. not everything has to pivot in people's lives. Sometimes you can carry on or muddle through it. So again, great film. Love it. I highly recommend it.

speaker-0: Yes. Cool. Well, I think we did good. mean, we picked some good films. There was a lot to pick from, so it's hard to narrow it down.

speaker-1: There's still more to it. There's more to it. I do. You want to know a couple more little known facts? Sure. You hit on a lot. So you've got a lot of it. Do it. You talked about their adoption. She adopted kids at 50, you said, I think.

speaker-0: Yeah, inner 50s. Didn't say inner 50s, yeah.

speaker-1: ⁓ She was the real-life Annie Hall. Her name was actually based on Annie, which is her nickname, and her surname is actually Hall. So that character... Did you mention that one? I'm sorry.

speaker-0: Well, I mean, in real life, Diane Keaton was born Diane Hall. ⁓ there you go. But when she be, when I guess when she went to get her actors, whatever, she couldn't use Diane Keaton or Diane Hall because there was an actress already named that in the industry. she used Keaton is her mother's maiden name. Okay. So that's, that's how she got her acting name, but her real name is Diane Hall.

speaker-1: She dated Al Pacino for 16 years. They met on the set of Godfather 1 and they dated for 16 years after that and she kept asking him to marry her. He kept saying no and they finally broke up. But I do believe he's mentioned her a number of times, ⁓ fondly, about how great she was and of course, you they never did marry and she is actually has never married. But she last mentioned in 2023 that she was on a no dating streak and she hadn't been on a date in roughly 35 years. So, about the way she dresses. She actually dealt with skin cancer quite a bit in her past. And she had some ⁓ issues with her neck and she covers up a lot, not just to protect, but she wears a hat most of the time. And she does cover up her neck and turtlenecks quite a bit.

speaker-0: Sounds like me.

speaker-1: And that actually is part of the carryover from her dealing with scarring, perhaps there's some issues with her skin, skin cancer. ⁓ and then, ⁓ I got one last one, which is a funny one. And, ⁓ basically it was that I, and I didn't know this Justin Bieber and she shared an affection for one another and they talked about each other on the Ellen DeGeneres. And at the end of the day, actually he asked her to be in one of his videos in 2021.

speaker-0: Show? ⁓ huh.

speaker-1: called Ghost, and she plays a grandmother in a Justin Bieber video. Which is just, I mean, I would never have thought of that too, but again, all these little known things.

speaker-0: Well, since she mentioned the way she dresses in the movie, Something's Gotta Give, it's summer when they're filming and they're in the Hamptons. Right. And Jack Nicholson makes a point of commenting that she's, why are you wearing turtlenecks? It's the summer. that was, she always wore like light colored clothes. ⁓ And she liked the turtleneck, but that was just her character, how she liked to dress. And he just couldn't figure that out because it's like, it's summer. What are you doing? So that's funny that you mentioned that.

speaker-1: Yeah. So again, huge love for Diane Keaton. It's very sad that she passed away recently, but again, such an amazing legacy of work, iconic individual. I mean, did so many things. I mean, I'm looking forward to look at some of her books. I didn't realize how many books she had out.

speaker-0: Right. Yeah, I saw those one book that she wrote, then I knew of another one that she wrote and I want to say it was about her brother or her relationship with her brother. Okay. Okay. And I thought I had it at one point, but I can't find it. ⁓ Yeah, it was a book that she wrote about her brother. Okay. Because I think I wanted to give it to a friend of mine. Okay. Yeah.

speaker-1: Brother and sister, actually it's called brother and sister. Are we interested? Now I want to see, and she also has like books on photographs and she's amazing. I want to call her like an everyman, like a Renaissance person. They do a little bit of everything.

speaker-0: I think her love of self-photography and then like you said, her love of architecture and preserving old buildings, those two came together and through one or the other, she did maybe not by herself, but she helped put together some books on those two subject matters, photography and architecture, and was very involved in that.

speaker-1: So I think good job, Gary. This was such a good idea. mean, heartfelt love for this person, Diane Keaton. Just an amazing person left in, like I said, a lot of good memories that we can continue to watch on TV.

speaker-0: And that's the beauty of it, right? All of this is on DVD or streaming to revisit them or watch them for the first time.

speaker-1: Yes. And thank you for coming up with this idea. I love this segment. We're going to do it a number of times because there's so many people to talk about,

speaker-0: Yeah, so it'll be more segments of at the movies and then we'll fill in the blank and It could be like a Rob Ryan who directed so many great films Yeah, or it could be someone who's done a little both. I mean, there's Robert Redford who's directed and acted There's Meryl Streep. I was we're talking I'm thinking Michelle Pfeiffer is in a lot of things now. So yes, I love her career So yeah, there's a lot of folks out there that we can definitely focus on. So yeah

speaker-1: So good job. Do you want to close us out? Are you okay closing us out?

speaker-0: I think we can. So when you're not watching movies, you can listen to us on Apple, Spotify. You can watch us on YouTube. ⁓ Obviously social media, Instagram, Facebook, Run Blue Sky. Our ⁓ website is hosted by PodPage. I to work on that. did too. ⁓

speaker-1: you which way I'm pointing that, but that's okay.

speaker-0: And on that pod page site, can ⁓ view past episodes. You can leave a voicemail message. You can send us an email. That is don and garyjuin60 at gmail.com. had to think about it for a minute. Everything is Don and Gary. Everything is ⁓ Yeah, so I think we've covered all the platforms. Did I miss any platforms?

speaker-1: didn't go in there. No, I think you got it all. mean, it's easy to find us once you just Google it. Google it. You can find us. We're everywhere.

speaker-0: And yeah, so we look for, we'll be recording a couple more episodes this week. We're doing another segments called, and here's why I want to ask you to do a sound effect. when we say the next segment, I asked you a question. I want that to be like echoey.

speaker-1: ⁓ okay. I don't know if I can do that.

speaker-0: So work on that. That'll be an assignment. So we have another segment that I came up with called, know, Don and Gary doing 60. I asked you a question and we'll focus on different topics just to peel away, peel back the onion. Who are Don and Gary? So that's kind of where that came from. Peel away.

speaker-1: Yes, so you're- Yes, ⁓ my gosh, we're pumping it out. We are just pumping. Pump up the jam.

speaker-0: Well, three, you know, we gotta, we gotta keep going and get the work drive. They don't know this, but we're recording another episode tomorrow.

speaker-1: I'm tired Yes, so you don't, we're not highly paid for nothing. don't, you know, the money doesn't roll in for nothing. You know, we got to keep it working, my thing.

speaker-0: Wait, you get paid?

speaker-1: Anyway, thank you for tuning in to Don and Gary doing 60. No, but good job, Gary. Thank you so much. This was such good ideas. I love them. They're so exciting to go forward with. And I think that our listeners and watchers will enjoy them too. I don't care what everybody says about you. You're really talented.

speaker-0: Hahaha Yes. That's very sweet, you son of a...

speaker-1: Anyway, I'll talk to you later. All right. See you

speaker-0: Yes.