April 12, 2026

S3E2 "Ain't Nobody Got Time For That"-Special Guest Marty Beene

S3E2 "Ain't Nobody Got Time For That"-Special Guest Marty Beene
S3E2 "Ain't Nobody Got Time For That"-Special Guest Marty Beene
Don & Gary Doin' 60
S3E2 "Ain't Nobody Got Time For That"-Special Guest Marty Beene
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Season 3
In this episode, Don and Gary are back doing what they do best—talking over each other and pretending it’s a “structured podcast.” They bounce from their show, to a canceled TV series, to completely unnecessary life advice nobody asked for. Naturally, they take a swing at Hulu’s Mid Century Modern—because if there’s one thing they love more than podcasting, it’s critiquing shows they absolutely would’ve been great in. Then things take a turn… a coworker accidentally mixes up “necrophiliac” and “narcoleptic,” proving once and for all that vocabulary matters—and HR is probably listening.
Just when you think it can’t get more chaotic, Marty Beene FINALLY gets out of “The Can” and joins the show.
The 'Boys' have been cheating little hints about Martys interview being buried somewhere in 'Podcast Purgatory' and now we finally get to see and hear the actual person.

Marty talks about his engineering background, his passion for running, and how he somehow went from crunching numbers to coaching high school athletes (which requires WAY more endurance). From race stories to coaching highs and lows, Marty brings heart… while Don and Gary bring the nonsense. It’s laughs, life stories, questionable facts, and the kind of friendship that only survives because no one is keeping score.

#DonAndGaryDoin60 #PodcastLife #OutOfTheCan #MartyUnleashed #MidCenturyModern #HuluAndRoast #OldGuysTalking #RunningStories #CoachLife #PodcastComedy #Unfiltered #Season3Chaos

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Good afternoon.

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Where the hell is he? Is he late? I can't tell?

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How are you?

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I'm I've been waiting. I'm here.

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Well, don't get indignant with me. I want to be

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doing the whole recording from this side because I feel

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like this is my better side.

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What do you think? I know they're all good.

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Well, they are all good, but try the other just

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for kicks. Oh god, you're right. You should never face

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that way ever again, and I never will. You're pulling

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a Mariah and a Barbera. You know when they go

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on a a few times they go on a interview

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chat show, they all have to sit like a certain side.

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Oh sure, sure, and you're becoming a diba.

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Well, no, becoming how funny? You know what?

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It brought me back to when we were trying to

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get that abbathing going back in.

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Sarrancises over the weekends.

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How did that work?

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See how that goes? Yeah, I'll get back.

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I don't want to criticize, but look who took the photos?

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Who took the photos? Not to mention anyone, Jamie Litzy.

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No, no, it wasn't Jamie. Who was Shirley?

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Oh surely, Oh.

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Don't be me, that's right, don't be me, but I

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don't know.

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I didn't see the photos.

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They were on your phone. I never saw them. I

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don't know what how they I.

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Did see them, and luckily I have some incriminating video

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of Shirley sitting on the sofa patting her stomach playing

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the bongos.

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So well, you know, whatever it takes.

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Again, speaking of I had such a good time. That

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was so much fun seeing everybody.

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Yeah, So don came back to the Bay Area for

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another visit a friend of ours from high school, a

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previous guest on this very podcast, Jamie Lizzy. She and

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her husband were visiting family from they live on the

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East Coast, visiting family here in California. So mixed into

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their visit was a stay in San Francisco. So we

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gathered about fifteen of us or so too U for

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an afternoon and evening of frivolity and food and fun

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and yes, but yes, I'm glad you came.

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It was so much fun and a huge thank you

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to Todd for hosting and Toddy for hosting.

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They're very good about how they always do.

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Yes, and boy did he cook a lot of food,

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Oh my.

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God, And you know, and then you left and then

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he made the bread pudding.

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Oh I know that's why I left, because if I

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ate the bread pudding, I would look like a bread

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pudding out.

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Surely, and I were the only one to stay. And yea,

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it was a nice gathering, Yes it was. And like

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I said, I'm glad you were able to make the

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time to come up because I know you're very busy

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with work and everything else.

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And the kids esn't well that too, But the kids,

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one of them asleep at my feet right now.

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He refuses to He has a name.

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Only when I make money off of it. So unless

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you're on camera, talk Rock executive producer, Rocket High, no signature,

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no deal, sorry anyway, So go back to sleep.

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Sorry. So yeah, so I guess we could just jump in.

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What are we talking about?

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So we have a guest, big surprise from high school.

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Let me tell you we knew and know a lot

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of people. We are very poor and we keep in

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touch with a lot a lot of our guests. Marty

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is graduated the year ahead of us, and he'll be

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joining us and telling us where he is career career,

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career wise. I can't talk right now.

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Use your words sounded out phonetically slowly work.

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Wise, okay, and all that that entails. But let me

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tell you last week was a big week for me

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because first five day work week in five years.

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Wasn't it kind of nice to have a four day

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work we.

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You know, so it's like the half of one six

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and one half a dozen another. Yeah, when I was

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working four days, but then over the period of a year,

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that's a big chunk of money that I wasn't getting right, so,

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like living in the Bay Area on my own, that

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chunk of money could have been helpful. But it also

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served as kind of a mental health day because I

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picked it in the middle of the week, so I'd

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work two days, have a day off, work two days,

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and a weekend. So Tuesday night, when I was wrapping

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things up at work, it was like, great, I can

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sleep in tomorrow. What am I going to do? Do

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I have plans? If I don't have plants? So what

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So it's very laissez faire. But now Tuesday night, I'm like,

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I gotta get up in the morning.

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So so I mean, when do you not have plans?

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I mean I think.

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There's always a meeting and you know thing that I'm

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going to and so there are certain weeks that are

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busier than others. But it's just nice to be able

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to like have a whole day where I can just

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if it's a beautiful day, can go out out to

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the park, or go for a drive and go to

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the coast or something, right, just something again, just kind

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of a mental health day. Oh, I just need to

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try to be more disciplined. I'm also speaking disciplined after

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my doctors is trying to be more diligent about going

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to the gym where I work, where I live, and

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I keep a little calendar of you know what I'm doing.

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So yeah, I'm doing better about that. So yeah, so

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that's what's on my mind right now. What about you.

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Yeah, well, I kind of speaking of the gym, I

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kind of fell off my proverbial rower, which is literally

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I'm looking at right next to me.

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Which is gathered dust code racks. Okay, well, here's the thing.

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It sits upright when I'm storing it away, so it

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could very well be a code wreck. But I have

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been very non diligent about using it because work has

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been getting in the way. And I hate to use

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that excuse, but right when I want to get into

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a routine. I'm actually going to a project in Passages

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starting Sundays. Actually i'm going tomorrow. I didn't want to go,

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but I'm supposed. I'm helping him out tomorrow and then

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I'm going down on the Sunday to work for the

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next two weeks.

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Wow.

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Yeah, So so when you do that, do.

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You stay down there? Did you just drive back and forth?

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No?

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I have a hotel and everything.

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How long? How far way is it?

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Well?

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Pasadena from here's probably about an hour drive, but you know,

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depending on traffic. Right. Yeah, So, I mean it's it's

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beautiful over there. It's going to be an interesting project.

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I don't want to do it. So I'm one of

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those points where you know, I'm at a certain age

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where I want to pick and choose my project. But

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I was kind of coerced into this project where they

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really needed my expertise because it is so you know,

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it's hard to find this so this anyway, So.

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I've got something to remind you of that we spoke of,

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and the something I want to a little story I

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want to repeat. So the reminder is, oh, I'm sorry, Yes.

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Don't forget. We need to take a little break and

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let's do the.

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Break and I'll tease with I'm going to remind you

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of something. I'm gonna repeat a funny story that I

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was shared.

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When are you ever going to get this routine down?

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We're doing this for five hundred years now, you should

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know how it works.

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All right, Fine, I'm kissing.

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So we are don and Gary?

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No, no, no, no, no yet, I have to take

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a break. We have to take a.

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Break, take a break and come back. I'll be right.

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I'm gonna take a just fine, hold on myself. It's

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hot an ear.

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Oh sorry, welcome back to Donn and Gary doing sixty.

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You can find us on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Facebook, Instagram,

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Blue did I.

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Say Blue Guy?

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No?

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But you will right now Blue s Guy.

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And of course you want to see all of this

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and all of that come into our YouTube channel at

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the five for pod We're here to navigate the world

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at this age.

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Anyway.

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Sorry, that's okay, don't forget pod page, our pots our

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lash site.

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It can we do it together? Do it at pod page. Okay,

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close enough. We'll put the graphics and sound effect.

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Thank you for remembering that, of course. Anyway, so sorry

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you were leaving off with something you wanted to do.

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Okay, Well, something I mentioned the other day that I

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when I texted you, I saw it, and I said,

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I am devastated that they cancel that horrible show mid

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Modern on. Granted I never saw the whole thing because

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I don't have Hulu, but I saw clips.

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You saw enough.

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I saw enough to say that's too much. It was

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just wasn't On paper it's a great idea, you know,

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It's like the male version of Golden Girls in Palm Springs.

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I think I had a lot of potential and the

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great cast, but the writing was just horrible. But I

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don't know if you delved into the comments on social media.

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Oh, I do read them, and it was very mixed,

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wasn't it.

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It slanted towards people loved it, couldn't wait for a

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second season, best thing ever, never laughed so hard, And

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I'm like, what am I missing?

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Because okay, okay, here's the thing. Talented actors.

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I think all of them A lot of the show

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pulled together with Linda Lavin, I believe, because she was

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really a polarizing figure in their story. But I have

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to say, I mean, I agree with a lot of

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the comments saying like it was kind of stereotypical.

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It's a little bit like contrived.

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I mean, Matt Bohmer was to look at and everything,

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and Nathan Lane is a great actor.

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I didn't know the name of the other actor who is.

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Right, I don't. I mean maybe some more stage and

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other things. I don't.

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Yeah, I mean I think some of them were just

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too big for TV. They're not used to working on TV.

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And again, you know, who am I to say? But

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it just seemed like overacted and it wasn't really well written.

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So I know we might be in the minority of

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people that didn't love it. But also it's not really

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people are looking for a much more accurate representation of

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the lifestyle than what I think you were seeing.

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It was a little bit contrived. I don't know. That

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was just me and I'm sorry. I just didn't dig

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it at all.

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No same here, all right, So real quick, before I guess,

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joins us. Sure, you know you're on the phone and

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you're either playing a game or in social media, and

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then an AD comes up and interrupts your viewing. Yes,

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and an AD came up for Narcolepsi, and it reminded

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me of a story that I shared on our other

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podcast repeat about my coworker, So anyone who hadn't listened

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to that episode, it was that my cowork at the

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time shared with me that she'd always talk about her

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buddy Paul, and she said, well, I have something to

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tell you about my buddy Paul, but you can't tell

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anyone said, all right, She said they took his driver's

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license away. I said why. He said, because he's a necrophiliac.

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and I said, they took Away's license because what because

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he's a necrophiliac. And I thought about it, and that

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clearly she meant because he's an arcaleptic, which means you,

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you know, randomly, just fall asleep at the wheel. Right,

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So for that reason, for that illness or that affliction,

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you cannot drive. It's unsafe, right. So what she should

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have said was took aways license because he is a narcoleptic.

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But she didn't know what necrophiliac was. So I told

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her It's like, well, that's like a fascination with dead people,

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dead bodies, and she's like, oh no, no, that's not

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what I'm in at all. So when I saw the

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little ad pop up, it just reminded you of that story,

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because when I shared it on three p's I could

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not tell it as clearly as I did right now

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because I was laughing too hard. And then you guys

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are like what what? And it was just it's one

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of the clips I'll go back to and listen to

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again and again because it's one of my favorites.

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So do you have do you know remember which episode

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it was?

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It was one of where the title was something about

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crazy coworkers and oh yeah, no, I'll tell you. I'll

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tell you exactly what episode it is when we're done here.

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Give me the time stamp if you can remember, and.

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I will try and cut it up and bring it

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out to it. Okay, it's worth repeating.

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Oh yeah, no, it's a good okay. So yeah, I

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just want to check because it just made me laugh.

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That's very fun, and Lord knows I need to.

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Laugh, so we all need to laugh.

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Yeah, so is our guest in the waiting room?

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Yet he's not knocking on the door just yet. So

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I just want to also give the audience and you

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fair warning. I do have two runners jokes, just so

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you know.

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Oh, okay, and you're going to spring them on Marty.

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I'm going to I'm the spring them on Marty because

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they're really good and I've gotten much better at my delivery.

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I've written them down with no.

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Care, say if your post it's ready.

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Well, I've got on a big piece of paper right here.

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Oh okay. They're big jokes.

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Then, so I might edit this out or I might

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keep it in. But what'll Yeah, it's not twice three

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forty five. I bet he's one of those very what

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do you call someone that's very on time?

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Unpunctual?

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Punctualcual? Thank you? There he is, he's now so wow.

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See so he listens.

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So here's somebody knocking. So I think we're gonna let

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him in. Let's see if we can do that. Let's

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see if he comes in.

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Hey are you good?

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How are you doing? Nice to see you, Yes, good

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to see you too.

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Yeah.

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We were just talking about you.

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We were talking about you and seeing wondering if you

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were going to be a punctual person or not.

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And you are literally right on time.

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Yes, that's that's my thing. I'm always on time.

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Was it was a runner? Timing? Is everything right?

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It is?

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Yes, yes, so I'll introduce you ladies and gentlemen. As

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I was telling daughter, there's like, we know a lot

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of people from high school, and you're another person in

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that group. Marty bean Uh went to our same high school,

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graduate year ahead of us, from the area, originally from

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the Barrier. Yes, have you always been in the Barrier?

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Born in San Francisca the bio yes, yes, again.

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Allowing him to talk so I don't have to say everything. Yes,

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And obviously you're here because you're a member of the group,

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the Client.

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It's a great group to be part of, isn't it.

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And even though you've stayed in the Barrier the whole time,

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it's only in these last several years that our little

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group of people has just been getting together more often.

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We've gone together several times in the East Bay. I

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know you were invited to this past event that Don

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came up for, but you had other plans. But yeah,

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I think everyone's making more of an effort to kind

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of keep in touch, which is really nice.

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Yeah, it's great. Well, you know, I think I think we,

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at least speaking for myself, and I think it's a

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common thing. I think we realized that we're all really

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fun people and nice people. So why wouldn't you, why

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would you not want to hang out with each other?

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You know, we should charge people to hang out with us.

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Yeah, there's a that's a business. That's a business opportunity, is.

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It or is it called being a hooker?

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Well yeah, well no don because we're all keeping our

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clothes on. We are, but I well that's the other podcast,

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right right, Yeah, we're not going there.

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I'm the Patreon.

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But anyway, so welcome, thank you. So we will kind

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of maybe take a little look back and then look

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at where you're now and where you're going, because you,

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like some of other guests, have had either a switch

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in live you you were in a career and then

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you made a slight left turn. So we kind of

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want to go over that. So your backgrounds went to

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our high school, and out of high school, you did what?

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So I went to I studied engineering down to Stanford,

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and I got a job there on the campus. Worked

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there for a number of years, and I worked for

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a couple of small consulting firms in mostly traffic engineering,

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and then got tired of that, which is we could

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spend an hour talking about why and how I got

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tired of that.

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But can we talk about how you were responsible for

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or were responsible for traffic lights and traffic going through

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the city or what city were you working.

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For a lot of different cities, so all around the

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Bay Area. Actually I did some work for San Mateo,

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which was fun, but yeah, really all around the Bay Area.

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A lot of this stuff on freeways also, so we

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can that's right. So, and one of my one of

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my claims to fame is if you're going to the

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San Francisco Airport, say you're coming from San Francisco, when

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they redid that whole interchange, this is like twenty twenty

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five years ago or something like that. Yeah, yeah, the

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way that they had it. We're trying to we're all

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looking at the way they had it, and it's like, wow,

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this is going to be really hard to make the

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traffic work because there's so much traffic there. And I said, well,

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why don't you make the exit like two miles further

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back and you just and you kind of go along

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beside the freeway and have all these little connections with

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the ramps along there instead of taking off right before

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the ramp that goes into the airport and everybody's like, oh, okay,

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let's do that, and so it actually it works, It works,

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It works quite well.

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So so that was you, Yeah, that was your idea.

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No way, So we're talking about the one to one approach.

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Yeah, right, southbound southbound.

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From South City from South City or from Berlin.

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Game from San Francisco coming from the city, all the

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way down. Yeah, and because you like get off the

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freeway before San Bruno app before San Bruno App, I think,

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and you kind of go under that and everything.

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Yeah, yeah, right with a three eighty turn off as

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you keep going straight and you're following.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, Well, now every time I.

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Do that, every time you do that when the traffic

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is working, then.

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Huge rays for that.

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I take everything my back said about taking it all

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back saying that you were responsible for all the problems

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in the city.

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So okay, you've DoD yourself.

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But on a related matter, could you press a button

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and just mess up downtown samont tail traffic?

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Now?

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Oh bad?

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Do you know anyone who can?

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I don't you know. Actually it's funny because you see

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in movies sometimes right there's like some some terror plot

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and they like there's some guy on a computer and

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he like types something in and all the traffic signals

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go haywire and that's slightly unrealistic, but.

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So real quick.

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Marco Bio also said that you snuck in a master's

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degree in transportation engineering.

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Was this prior to or post?

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No, this is this is while I was while I

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was working full time. They have a great program at

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CAL for transportation engineering, and I went there. It's usually

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a two semester program, and I was able to stretch

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it into three because I wanted to keep working full time.

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And it was actually delightful because I was able to

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because my office was in Oakland. So on the days

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when I had to go up to the campus to

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go to to go to class, I just walked over

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to the BART station. I went up, and I as

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as stressful as it was to try to work full

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time and go to school in a master's program full time,

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I knew that I had, you know, this block of

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time that took me to get on BART, go to

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the campus, walk up through the lovely campus, and get

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to my class. It was you know, a half hour

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forty five minutes of just quiet time that I didn't

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have to stress out about anything, and it was fun

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I mean I was older than most of the students

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there because that was ten years after a call after

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undergrad and but it was great. It was really fun.

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So does this mean that you have a mind for

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wanting to figure things out and fix them or make

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them more efficient?

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Is that where this is all come?

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Yeah?

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Yeah, yeah, sure, yeah, yeah.

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Okay, because I mean sneaking in a master's degree, it's

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like that, you don't sneak that takes a lot of time, effort,

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you know, commitments, Yeah, letting like prioritizing.

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There's so many things that are in there too.

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But it sounds like you were really passionate about maybe

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fixing things or is it passionate about figuring things out

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or is it kind of.

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Both of those both of those things. But also I

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felt like a lot of the people that I worked

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with had master's degrees that were either from cal like

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I did, or from some other place, and I just

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felt like they had a better just sense of what

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was going on than I did. So, you know, they'd

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be presumed with the problem. They'd say, oh, you just

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have to do this to fix it, whereas I would

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have to like do a bunch of stuff to figure

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that out. And I kind of wanted to be on

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that same level of just wanting to know because of

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experience and knowledge and of that kind of thing.

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Sure, so sure, wow, okay.

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And so engineering led you to what year, because at

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some point you transition, right, so to another.

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Twenty thirteen I left engineering field. So and part of

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that was So my son entered high school in two

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thousand and nine. And it's funny because you know, I

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was a runner. I've been a runner of my whole life.

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But I definitely wanted to not push him into anything

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that I like to do. I wanted him to sort

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of make his own choices. Like a month before school

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started as a freshman, he says, hey, Dad, guess what.

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I'm going to join cross country? And I'm like, what,

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you like to play soccer? And so he says yeah,

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you know. And so actually it was kind of cool.

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The guy that was coaching at the school at the

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time was able to send out a postcard to every

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single incoming freshman saying, hey, join cross country. It's really fun.

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It's a healthy activity. Nobody gets cut. You have an

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instant group of friends spanning from freshmen to senior, and

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we just we just have fun. And it's a great activity.

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And so he's like, oh, that sounds good. So he joined.

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And then so I told the coach, hey, I'm available

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to help out. I can be the helpful parent for

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you and hold the clipboard or whatever. So after a

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year of doing that, he said, hey, why don't you

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join the coaching staff, and so I did. So I

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joined the coaching staff. I started with cross country, and

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then I also added track to that, and I just

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liked coaching so much. And at the same time, I

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was growing very disillusioned with the whole engineering thing. So

473
00:23:01.079 --> 00:23:04.160
I'm like, maybe I could turn this into a business.

474
00:23:05.440 --> 00:23:08.359
And so I my vision was that I would be

475
00:23:08.359 --> 00:23:10.640
coaching individual people who, you know, oh I want to

476
00:23:10.720 --> 00:23:12.519
run a half marathon, I want to you know, run

477
00:23:12.559 --> 00:23:14.160
a five k for the first time, all this kind

478
00:23:14.160 --> 00:23:16.359
of thing. And it actually didn't quite go that way.

479
00:23:16.400 --> 00:23:19.160
It ended up being Kaiser was my main client, and

480
00:23:19.599 --> 00:23:21.680
which was also really fun. I can go on and

481
00:23:21.720 --> 00:23:23.799
on about what a great client they've done over the years.

482
00:23:23.839 --> 00:23:26.279
But and then so finally, and then there was a

483
00:23:26.319 --> 00:23:29.640
time where my wife got changed jobs and got a

484
00:23:29.720 --> 00:23:32.119
huge increase in pay and it's like, oh, hey, this

485
00:23:32.200 --> 00:23:35.200
is the moment that we can afford for me to

486
00:23:35.279 --> 00:23:38.440
leave the engineering job and start a business, and so

487
00:23:38.519 --> 00:23:38.839
I did.

488
00:23:40.359 --> 00:23:42.680
Wow, So it was more And it's as you said,

489
00:23:42.720 --> 00:23:45.359
this was always a running was always a passionate.

490
00:23:45.039 --> 00:23:47.799
Right, Yeah, But I didn't know coaching would be until then.

491
00:23:48.160 --> 00:23:50.200
Until yeah, I was coaching high school. I ended up

492
00:23:50.200 --> 00:23:51.799
coaching high school for nine years.

493
00:23:52.799 --> 00:23:53.960
Really, yeah, it was.

494
00:23:54.039 --> 00:23:57.160
It was really fun. The kids are just so much fun.

495
00:23:57.559 --> 00:24:01.359
I mean, we're blasting atom me to become. The whole

496
00:24:01.359 --> 00:24:04.559
community is is really good. They're really supportive of kids,

497
00:24:04.759 --> 00:24:09.079
and you know, the kids have it. Most of the

498
00:24:09.160 --> 00:24:11.279
kids have it pretty easy as far as family life,

499
00:24:11.960 --> 00:24:14.640
and I know that. In fact, I know coaches who

500
00:24:15.119 --> 00:24:17.960
you know, one of my friends coaches in in a

501
00:24:18.119 --> 00:24:20.720
in a very sort of inner city type situation, and

502
00:24:20.759 --> 00:24:24.599
it's really hard because the kids just have nothing. I mean,

503
00:24:24.720 --> 00:24:28.200
kids show up to run and crocs, you know that

504
00:24:28.279 --> 00:24:30.839
kind of thing, and there they can't run off campus

505
00:24:30.880 --> 00:24:33.880
because it's too dangerous because they might get shot, you know,

506
00:24:33.920 --> 00:24:35.960
stuff like that. So I mean, we don't we didn't

507
00:24:35.960 --> 00:24:38.279
have anything like that in Alameda. So it was it

508
00:24:38.319 --> 00:24:39.920
was really it was great and the kids and the

509
00:24:39.920 --> 00:24:41.279
families were great.

510
00:24:42.680 --> 00:24:44.960
So also because you have such a passion for running

511
00:24:45.599 --> 00:24:49.400
being a coach, it seems just like an easy fit. Yeah, yeah,

512
00:24:49.440 --> 00:24:51.640
because of something you already have passion for. Yeah, you're

513
00:24:51.640 --> 00:24:55.519
not not coaching something that you know that you don't

514
00:24:55.559 --> 00:24:55.960
have that you.

515
00:24:56.680 --> 00:24:59.599
Yourself, right, Yeah, And so you know you remember you

516
00:24:59.640 --> 00:25:04.200
remember Bill Dascarolas. Yes, So he was still coaching when

517
00:25:04.200 --> 00:25:06.440
I was coaching, and I would bump into him. We'd

518
00:25:06.480 --> 00:25:08.759
be at these big track meets, across country meets, and

519
00:25:08.759 --> 00:25:10.359
I'd bump into him and everything. So he was a

520
00:25:10.359 --> 00:25:12.960
great mentor. Actually there were a number of times able

521
00:25:12.960 --> 00:25:15.160
to ask him things and and he was able to

522
00:25:15.160 --> 00:25:17.400
give me great advice and everything. You know, what a

523
00:25:17.400 --> 00:25:22.079
great guy. And so that was so that was really

524
00:25:22.079 --> 00:25:25.200
cool too. And I wanted to and I wanted I

525
00:25:25.240 --> 00:25:27.920
always tried to tell bad jokes like he would tell

526
00:25:28.000 --> 00:25:29.480
in practice.

527
00:25:29.440 --> 00:25:35.000
Speaking of speaking of jokes from nice that was just.

528
00:25:35.559 --> 00:25:36.400
I might have one too.

529
00:25:37.319 --> 00:25:39.440
We didn't have to coach them into an audience, just

530
00:25:39.480 --> 00:25:40.920
so you know, we didn't have to coach them, because

531
00:25:40.960 --> 00:25:43.599
I have a thing about telling really horrible jokes and

532
00:25:43.640 --> 00:25:46.839
telling them or telling them really poorly. Also, so here's

533
00:25:46.880 --> 00:25:49.039
my first one since you warmed us up. Okay, then

534
00:25:49.079 --> 00:25:49.839
you can give us one.

535
00:25:49.759 --> 00:25:53.680
Yet, what path do early morning runners take?

536
00:25:56.160 --> 00:25:56.599
I don't know.

537
00:25:56.920 --> 00:26:01.960
The psychopath? Where's your knee? Slap your knee?

538
00:26:02.240 --> 00:26:02.400
One?

539
00:26:02.640 --> 00:26:05.759
Yeah? Okay, Gary, you can laugh too. It's okay. I

540
00:26:05.799 --> 00:26:08.519
got one more. All right. I knew you were worried, Gary,

541
00:26:08.559 --> 00:26:09.200
so I've got enough.

542
00:26:09.960 --> 00:26:11.680
I'm very worried right now. But go ahead.

543
00:26:12.920 --> 00:26:15.960
Did you hear about the runner who likes bridges in Paris?

544
00:26:18.160 --> 00:26:18.920
They're insane?

545
00:26:19.039 --> 00:26:19.359
Oh?

546
00:26:19.440 --> 00:26:23.759
Yeah? Yeah? Oh oh stop stop please.

547
00:26:23.720 --> 00:26:25.640
I know another joke with that same punch line.

548
00:26:25.680 --> 00:26:27.599
So, okay, go ahead, you got one?

549
00:26:27.720 --> 00:26:29.960
Yeah? So oh, actually that reminds me. Did you did

550
00:26:29.960 --> 00:26:33.079
you hear about the news about the the actress that

551
00:26:33.160 --> 00:26:39.400
got stabbed? Her name's Reese. Did you hear about this Reese?

552
00:26:39.400 --> 00:26:41.200
What is her name? I can't think of her last name?

553
00:26:41.960 --> 00:26:43.720
And someone says Witherspoon, yes.

554
00:26:43.640 --> 00:26:49.240
And I said no with a knife. Okay, I heard

555
00:26:49.240 --> 00:26:52.480
that from a guy a bar in Nashville. Bartender told me.

556
00:26:52.599 --> 00:26:55.440
So, I heard that one on social media. Okay I

557
00:26:55.799 --> 00:26:58.759
have since I was not prepared. I can't just come

558
00:26:58.839 --> 00:27:02.079
up with a joke yeah, on the spot, But can

559
00:27:02.119 --> 00:27:03.200
I segue for one moment?

560
00:27:03.240 --> 00:27:03.759
Absolutely?

561
00:27:03.839 --> 00:27:06.400
I want to ask Marty, because you said you've been

562
00:27:06.480 --> 00:27:09.559
running all your life, as in like from elementary school

563
00:27:09.599 --> 00:27:11.160
on middle school, from high school.

564
00:27:12.359 --> 00:27:15.480
I started our junior year in high school and I

565
00:27:16.079 --> 00:27:17.839
said a record while I was at Aragon. Did you

566
00:27:17.880 --> 00:27:19.359
know that I did?

567
00:27:19.400 --> 00:27:19.519
Not?

568
00:27:20.039 --> 00:27:23.279
I have the most last place finishes of anyone ever

569
00:27:23.440 --> 00:27:27.920
in Spama Telow. I'm pretty sure that that's I actually

570
00:27:28.000 --> 00:27:30.960
finished last place. I counted. I finished last place in

571
00:27:31.039 --> 00:27:34.640
various events nineteen times in two seasons of track and field.

572
00:27:36.680 --> 00:27:38.960
You're the Susan Lucci of running. There you go.

573
00:27:39.839 --> 00:27:43.279
No, she was second night, right, she went nineteen.

574
00:27:42.880 --> 00:27:47.119
Times without ever she got nominatedineteen Yeah, didn't twenty times. Whatever.

575
00:27:47.480 --> 00:27:51.200
So behind you with all the medals and the and

576
00:27:51.240 --> 00:27:54.079
the banners and the whatever you call the you know

577
00:27:54.119 --> 00:27:57.680
the bib numbers, yes, the big numbers. Is there one

578
00:27:57.920 --> 00:27:58.799
for last place?

579
00:28:01.319 --> 00:28:01.559
No?

580
00:28:01.880 --> 00:28:08.119
But there were Let's see from this event here. This

581
00:28:08.279 --> 00:28:11.960
was the World Championships in Finland. And by the way,

582
00:28:12.160 --> 00:28:14.759
things like World Championships and national championships you don't have

583
00:28:14.799 --> 00:28:16.640
to qualify, which is cool because you can just go

584
00:28:16.720 --> 00:28:19.720
there and run as fast as you can and make

585
00:28:19.799 --> 00:28:21.319
lots of friends from all over the country. All over

586
00:28:21.400 --> 00:28:25.079
the world and that one. Actually I did four events

587
00:28:25.079 --> 00:28:26.960
at the World Championships. One of them was the fifteen

588
00:28:27.039 --> 00:28:29.359
hundred meters, which I was least trained for. I was

589
00:28:29.400 --> 00:28:32.079
more trained for the longer distances, but I wanted to

590
00:28:32.160 --> 00:28:34.799
do it especially well, partly because I would have had

591
00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:37.200
a big gap between events. It was like a twelve

592
00:28:37.279 --> 00:28:39.559
day track meet and it would have been too long

593
00:28:39.599 --> 00:28:41.920
between events. So I, oh, the fifteen hundred meters there,

594
00:28:41.960 --> 00:28:43.960
I'll sign up for that too. So I did that,

595
00:28:44.920 --> 00:28:49.200
and they had preliminary heats and then they had a final.

596
00:28:49.240 --> 00:28:52.160
So in my preliminary heat, I was so far in

597
00:28:52.240 --> 00:28:56.039
last place that I got one of the best pictures

598
00:28:56.039 --> 00:28:58.880
ever of me running because the photographer had so much

599
00:28:58.920 --> 00:29:02.599
time to set up the show. I am not kidding you.

600
00:29:02.640 --> 00:29:05.079
And the guy is he's a photographer that everybody knows.

601
00:29:05.839 --> 00:29:08.839
He shoots, you know, all these meats all over the

602
00:29:08.839 --> 00:29:11.000
place and everything. And I remember, you know, he's out

603
00:29:11.000 --> 00:29:12.960
there shooting and he's trying to catch everybody as they're

604
00:29:13.000 --> 00:29:14.599
in the group, and then here I come. I'm in

605
00:29:14.680 --> 00:29:19.200
last place, and he's like, you know, getting the dialed

606
00:29:19.200 --> 00:29:21.759
in and it actually the photo turned out really well.

607
00:29:21.839 --> 00:29:23.720
So the a back.

608
00:29:24.480 --> 00:29:26.160
I could have had, I could have would, and I

609
00:29:26.160 --> 00:29:27.720
would have still finished in the same place.

610
00:29:29.400 --> 00:29:31.319
Well, I don't want to brag, but I did a

611
00:29:31.359 --> 00:29:34.720
half marathon when I was forty eight years old. Brag

612
00:29:34.759 --> 00:29:39.000
about that, Denis Santase. I'd never done one before. Some

613
00:29:39.039 --> 00:29:41.440
friends like you and I'll do it. Didn't know what

614
00:29:41.519 --> 00:29:44.079
the hell I was doing. So I did not come

615
00:29:44.119 --> 00:29:46.640
in last okay. I came in second time.

616
00:29:46.759 --> 00:29:47.640
Okay.

617
00:29:48.720 --> 00:29:50.759
So I was you know, some people were running, some

618
00:29:51.000 --> 00:29:53.599
we were walking, but we did the whole thing. And

619
00:29:53.960 --> 00:29:56.400
you were cutting through a neighborhood where some people I

620
00:29:56.480 --> 00:30:00.319
saw were doing shortcuts. They were cutting across the on

621
00:30:00.319 --> 00:30:02.680
the path. I did not do that. I stayed on

622
00:30:02.720 --> 00:30:05.559
the path. And there's the truck that sometimes follows you

623
00:30:05.599 --> 00:30:07.880
that like for someone that gets injured, they can give

624
00:30:07.920 --> 00:30:11.359
your ride or maybe they've got you know, food or water. Yeah,

625
00:30:11.400 --> 00:30:15.480
if you're feeling malnoursed whatever, And they were behind me,

626
00:30:15.480 --> 00:30:18.000
you want to run, I no, no, I'm gonna go.

627
00:30:18.400 --> 00:30:20.119
And I made it all the way across the finish

628
00:30:20.160 --> 00:30:21.000
line without cheating.

629
00:30:21.240 --> 00:30:23.960
That's great. Good for you. Met. That was your first

630
00:30:23.960 --> 00:30:25.680
half marathon, So when's the next one?

631
00:30:26.200 --> 00:30:30.240
My only one, and that was I was forty eight,

632
00:30:30.319 --> 00:30:32.599
So what's that like fifteen years ago?

633
00:30:32.880 --> 00:30:33.400
Years ago?

634
00:30:33.480 --> 00:30:34.720
Yeah?

635
00:30:34.799 --> 00:30:39.160
Okay, So anyway, so there's better for you, Marty.

636
00:30:39.240 --> 00:30:41.319
Let me ask you real quick, what is it about running?

637
00:30:41.680 --> 00:30:44.400
Because I know some people find it as a religion.

638
00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:49.160
And I've seen a book actually recently, I listened to

639
00:30:49.200 --> 00:30:51.240
a lot of weight Weight Don't tell me, Yeah, and

640
00:30:52.279 --> 00:30:54.920
the host there actually was a merit or a runner

641
00:30:55.000 --> 00:30:58.240
who actually wrote a book about running, and he's about.

642
00:30:57.960 --> 00:30:58.720
Our age too.

643
00:30:58.759 --> 00:31:01.480
He had I had a lot of he's got a

644
00:31:01.519 --> 00:31:02.559
bible about running too.

645
00:31:02.599 --> 00:31:03.759
But what is it about running?

646
00:31:03.799 --> 00:31:07.920
That's so, you know, it's the reasons for are different,

647
00:31:08.000 --> 00:31:10.519
you know, for different people. For me, it's the races,

648
00:31:11.240 --> 00:31:14.359
and I love competing. I don't care if I win

649
00:31:14.519 --> 00:31:17.599
or lose. I've finished last place or first place. But

650
00:31:17.720 --> 00:31:19.559
it's just a thrill to go out. It's like you're

651
00:31:19.559 --> 00:31:21.440
a little kid and it's like, oh, let's race over

652
00:31:21.480 --> 00:31:23.720
to the tree. You see who gets there first. And

653
00:31:23.799 --> 00:31:26.680
you know a lot of people who are competitive minded

654
00:31:26.759 --> 00:31:30.119
like that, they're very unhappy if they don't win. And

655
00:31:30.279 --> 00:31:33.319
I couldn't give a shit, you know, I it's just fun.

656
00:31:33.440 --> 00:31:36.079
So that I was at you know, the National Championships

657
00:31:36.119 --> 00:31:39.200
in July. I was not fit because I'd been sick

658
00:31:39.240 --> 00:31:42.160
three times. And I'm in this race. It's a five

659
00:31:42.200 --> 00:31:44.279
thousand meter race, twelve and a half laps on the track,

660
00:31:44.319 --> 00:31:46.559
and one of my favorite races. And one of my

661
00:31:46.640 --> 00:31:48.599
friends who I've met at these you know, I know

662
00:31:48.680 --> 00:31:51.359
from these meets, is in the race and I've never

663
00:31:51.440 --> 00:31:54.720
I've never lost to him. So the race starts and

664
00:31:54.759 --> 00:31:56.880
he starts off fast. I know this guy starts off

665
00:31:56.880 --> 00:32:00.000
fast every time he fades and I'll catch him late.

666
00:32:00.559 --> 00:32:02.480
So the race is going on lap after lap and

667
00:32:02.519 --> 00:32:05.240
I'm I'm like, I'm not catching him. I'm like, oh jeez,

668
00:32:05.640 --> 00:32:08.759
his name's Donnie. Actually, So I'm like, Donnie's having a

669
00:32:08.799 --> 00:32:11.440
pretty good race. But we're getting you know, six three,

670
00:32:11.680 --> 00:32:13.480
three laps to go, and I'm like, I think maybe

671
00:32:13.519 --> 00:32:15.920
I'm starting to catch him. I'm catching him, catching him.

672
00:32:15.960 --> 00:32:18.279
So it turns out I get like one hundred meters

673
00:32:18.319 --> 00:32:20.720
from the end and he's still fifty meters ahead of me,

674
00:32:20.720 --> 00:32:23.279
but I can see he's dying. And by the way,

675
00:32:23.319 --> 00:32:25.640
it's like eighty five degrees and eighty percent humidity because

676
00:32:25.640 --> 00:32:28.319
it's in Alabama, and so I just start from this

677
00:32:28.960 --> 00:32:32.599
mad sprint and I'm sprinting. Well, he hears me, he

678
00:32:32.640 --> 00:32:35.000
turns around, he hears me, and he starts sprinting. He

679
00:32:35.079 --> 00:32:38.039
ended up beating me by this much, seven hundreds of

680
00:32:38.039 --> 00:32:40.039
a second, and that was for the bronze medal.

681
00:32:40.119 --> 00:32:41.839
Oh my god, so wow.

682
00:32:42.240 --> 00:32:44.279
When I realized he had beat me, I just started

683
00:32:44.319 --> 00:32:48.200
laughing and we just had a great time laughing about it.

684
00:32:48.519 --> 00:32:50.920
But that's the kind of thing I love. You know,

685
00:32:50.960 --> 00:32:52.640
you're out there and you're just trying as hard as

686
00:32:52.640 --> 00:32:55.240
you can, and sometimes you succeed, sometimes you don't. But

687
00:32:55.319 --> 00:32:55.920
it's just fun.

688
00:32:56.599 --> 00:32:57.039
Right then.

689
00:32:57.240 --> 00:33:02.519
The whole vibe every race I do afterwards, even beforehand,

690
00:33:02.559 --> 00:33:06.200
it's just like a big party. It's just it's just

691
00:33:06.279 --> 00:33:08.559
really fun. And actually, one of the things that's happened

692
00:33:08.599 --> 00:33:11.920
in the last twenty years is that races are not

693
00:33:12.160 --> 00:33:14.839
for fast, just for fast people anymore. It used to

694
00:33:14.880 --> 00:33:17.400
be you were expected that you're supposed to run fast. Now,

695
00:33:17.640 --> 00:33:21.119
like you know, your half marathon experience, you walked, and

696
00:33:21.519 --> 00:33:23.960
walkers are very much welcome at these events, and it's

697
00:33:24.000 --> 00:33:26.599
just a kick, you know, to have all these people

698
00:33:26.640 --> 00:33:30.000
out there just enjoying the outdoors. And you know, some

699
00:33:30.039 --> 00:33:33.079
people it's the first time they've ever done something like that.

700
00:33:33.240 --> 00:33:35.799
Other people they've done it a million times whatever. So

701
00:33:36.559 --> 00:33:40.960
and I actually just looked recently I've now done and

702
00:33:41.279 --> 00:33:43.759
I've done a few triathlons, which I'm not good at

703
00:33:43.759 --> 00:33:47.759
because I can't swim very well. I'm met four hundred

704
00:33:47.759 --> 00:33:50.599
and ninety nine races now in my running career.

705
00:33:50.640 --> 00:33:52.960
Wow wow.

706
00:33:53.880 --> 00:33:56.480
And there's different types of you know, distance and so on,

707
00:33:56.599 --> 00:33:59.839
so specialize in certain ones or favor certain ones.

708
00:34:00.039 --> 00:34:02.279
Yeah, you know, I mean right now. I mean when

709
00:34:02.319 --> 00:34:04.400
I was a little bit younger, about a mile, so

710
00:34:04.440 --> 00:34:07.079
a mile fifteen hundred meters was my favorite distance and

711
00:34:07.160 --> 00:34:09.039
I don't really have the speed for that right now,

712
00:34:09.599 --> 00:34:13.079
so I still like that distance, but right now, I

713
00:34:13.079 --> 00:34:15.039
believe it or not, my favorite race is the ten

714
00:34:15.079 --> 00:34:17.800
thousand meter race on the track, which is twenty five laps.

715
00:34:19.239 --> 00:34:22.360
And wow, yeah, and you know, everybody, even other runners,

716
00:34:22.639 --> 00:34:24.440
how could you do that? Isn't that boring? It's not

717
00:34:24.440 --> 00:34:27.960
boring at all, because especially the events that I run in,

718
00:34:28.440 --> 00:34:32.519
there's quite a range of ability. So I'll be running

719
00:34:32.880 --> 00:34:35.719
I'm getting lapped by the faster runners, but I'm also

720
00:34:35.800 --> 00:34:38.679
lapping the slower runners, so there's always something going on,

721
00:34:39.599 --> 00:34:41.719
and it's just it's it's fun and it's a great

722
00:34:41.800 --> 00:34:44.159
challenge to be able to focus for that long on

723
00:34:44.199 --> 00:34:46.280
a track. So it's it's good.

724
00:34:46.320 --> 00:34:52.519
It's andre are all ages encouraged to participate, Like is

725
00:34:52.519 --> 00:34:55.719
there there's no qualifying heats obviously, so you actually be

726
00:34:55.760 --> 00:34:56.519
there at any.

727
00:34:56.360 --> 00:34:59.280
Age that's right, And so like the you know, the

728
00:34:59.400 --> 00:35:02.440
National champion and World Championships, it's all five year age groups,

729
00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:08.119
and so we runners, we're among the only people who

730
00:35:08.199 --> 00:35:10.519
kind of celebrate every time we have a milestone birthday

731
00:35:10.519 --> 00:35:12.599
because that puts us into a new age group and

732
00:35:12.639 --> 00:35:14.159
now we're the youngest in that age group.

733
00:35:16.599 --> 00:35:18.039
There were people you can beat.

734
00:35:18.360 --> 00:35:22.079
Well yeah, you know, it's like these old guys maybe yeah. Well,

735
00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:25.159
so I'm hoping to run in the World Championships next

736
00:35:25.239 --> 00:35:28.719
year in Korea. I've never never been to Korea, if

737
00:35:28.760 --> 00:35:31.719
it would be really fun to go there. And they

738
00:35:31.840 --> 00:35:35.119
i think they held this event several years ago in

739
00:35:35.159 --> 00:35:37.519
the same place, the same organized community, and everybody just

740
00:35:37.639 --> 00:35:40.519
raved about what a great event they put on. So

741
00:35:40.559 --> 00:35:42.880
I'd love to be able to do that, but I'll

742
00:35:42.920 --> 00:35:44.880
be one of the oldest people in my age group

743
00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:47.159
at that time. Because I won't have turned fifty five yet.

744
00:35:48.400 --> 00:35:51.360
All of this reinvention towards something you're very passionate about

745
00:35:51.400 --> 00:35:54.440
in love, which came from a love of what you

746
00:35:54.480 --> 00:35:56.239
were doing, changed.

747
00:35:55.880 --> 00:35:58.559
Your career path and took you into a new career.

748
00:35:58.760 --> 00:36:01.320
But let me ask you quickly, Yeah, before you left

749
00:36:01.360 --> 00:36:04.960
and took on this new one, were there any signs

750
00:36:04.960 --> 00:36:07.679
of agism taking place with you because of your age

751
00:36:07.760 --> 00:36:10.360
or was there a difference that you felt or pressure

752
00:36:10.360 --> 00:36:12.079
that you felt. Probably, and you don't have to name

753
00:36:12.119 --> 00:36:16.079
the group, did you feel that coming on or was

754
00:36:16.119 --> 00:36:17.519
it a very apparent.

755
00:36:17.280 --> 00:36:18.880
No, I did not, and I you know, I thought

756
00:36:18.920 --> 00:36:21.039
about that because I know you've asked other guests that.

757
00:36:22.280 --> 00:36:25.599
And so in the engineering profession, you know, when you

758
00:36:25.639 --> 00:36:27.719
start out, you're kind of doing the technical stuff, and

759
00:36:27.760 --> 00:36:30.599
you're doing all these you know, computer calculations and all

760
00:36:30.599 --> 00:36:33.480
that kind of thing. And but by the time you know,

761
00:36:33.559 --> 00:36:36.320
I was, you know, later in my career, most of

762
00:36:36.360 --> 00:36:40.039
what I was doing was writing reports, and so you know,

763
00:36:40.079 --> 00:36:42.280
we would we would kind of organize what a particular

764
00:36:42.320 --> 00:36:43.920
study would be. You know, we have to study this

765
00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:46.480
interchange to see if we can make it better or whatever. Well,

766
00:36:46.519 --> 00:36:49.199
I wasn't really crunching the numbers, which you know, a

767
00:36:49.239 --> 00:36:52.159
younger person might be more skilled at that today because

768
00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:55.440
of you know, just the you know, new things that

769
00:36:55.480 --> 00:36:57.719
have come on board. But I ended up doing the

770
00:36:57.719 --> 00:37:00.360
writing and I would do the presenting at meetings and

771
00:37:00.840 --> 00:37:03.840
and that kind of thing, and that actually it's better

772
00:37:03.840 --> 00:37:07.639
if you're older and you know, certainly with experienced writing

773
00:37:07.719 --> 00:37:11.920
things and actually presenting in like a particularly like in

774
00:37:11.920 --> 00:37:13.639
a city council meeting or something like that.

775
00:37:13.960 --> 00:37:18.079
So okay, so the transition wasn't horror.

776
00:37:18.159 --> 00:37:20.400
It wasn't It wasn't something that was being you weren't

777
00:37:20.400 --> 00:37:21.440
feeling forced out there.

778
00:37:21.599 --> 00:37:24.320
No, No, it was just I mean, yeah, I mean,

779
00:37:24.400 --> 00:37:26.960
to make a long story short, people got to be

780
00:37:27.280 --> 00:37:31.239
just colossal jerks. And I don't I would say, I

781
00:37:31.280 --> 00:37:34.159
don't know why, but I kind of know why. And

782
00:37:34.639 --> 00:37:38.599
it there was this weird thing that happened where all

783
00:37:38.639 --> 00:37:41.400
these traffic engineering people started thinking they could get rich

784
00:37:41.440 --> 00:37:44.480
by being a traffic engineer. So they started acting in

785
00:37:44.519 --> 00:37:48.199
ways and making decisions that they thought that they did this,

786
00:37:48.239 --> 00:37:51.199
they would make a bunch of more money. And when

787
00:37:51.360 --> 00:37:53.440
you know, money gets involved like that, people kind of

788
00:37:53.440 --> 00:37:56.039
go crazy. And I kept thinking to myself, I'm like,

789
00:37:56.639 --> 00:37:58.440
why are you doing that? Why are you saying do

790
00:37:58.480 --> 00:38:00.920
you actually think you're going to get rich being traffic engineer.

791
00:38:02.119 --> 00:38:03.639
I'm sorry, but it's not going to happen. You're not

792
00:38:03.639 --> 00:38:05.639
going to get rich. If you want to get rich,

793
00:38:05.639 --> 00:38:07.920
to do something else but not a traffic or you're

794
00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:08.599
not going to get rich.

795
00:38:09.960 --> 00:38:12.800
Were these choices made because of bureaucracy and they felt

796
00:38:12.800 --> 00:38:15.360
that they made a decision that would lean them towards

797
00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:20.000
the favor of whoever's trying to get something accomplished. Okay, okay,

798
00:38:20.119 --> 00:38:22.199
I get it.

799
00:38:23.280 --> 00:38:27.480
So one of the questions we ask for people at

800
00:38:27.480 --> 00:38:32.519
our age is in terms of looking forward, do you

801
00:38:32.559 --> 00:38:36.320
have you thought about retirement at what age or what

802
00:38:36.360 --> 00:38:39.119
you're going to do after that? But you've moved into

803
00:38:39.480 --> 00:38:42.199
a field I mean to spend years, but you have

804
00:38:42.280 --> 00:38:45.239
this passion for it, so it doesn't seem like there

805
00:38:45.320 --> 00:38:48.599
is an end date. You can just keep doing what.

806
00:38:48.480 --> 00:38:51.480
You're doing, right, Yeah, And so I mean I kind

807
00:38:51.480 --> 00:38:53.679
of tell people people ask me, you know, you know,

808
00:38:53.719 --> 00:38:55.519
what do you do? I say, well, I'm I describe

809
00:38:55.519 --> 00:38:58.639
myself as being most super tired, and because I'm actually

810
00:38:58.719 --> 00:39:01.119
not doing that much now my work has kind of

811
00:39:01.199 --> 00:39:05.480
like dwindled down to almost nothing, and so I have

812
00:39:05.519 --> 00:39:08.440
an individual client every now and then, and I teach

813
00:39:08.480 --> 00:39:10.760
a little strength class in the park three days a

814
00:39:10.760 --> 00:39:13.639
week and that's about it. That's all I'm doing. And

815
00:39:13.679 --> 00:39:16.039
so you know, anytime I want to do anything, like, oh,

816
00:39:16.079 --> 00:39:18.360
I'm going to go visit, you know, my son in

817
00:39:18.400 --> 00:39:21.280
November for Thanksgiving, I just tell everybody I'm gonna be

818
00:39:21.320 --> 00:39:24.119
I'm gonna be gone for a couple of weeks. And

819
00:39:24.239 --> 00:39:25.559
it's kind of like being retired.

820
00:39:26.519 --> 00:39:29.199
So well, plus you have these events, racist yes, that

821
00:39:29.440 --> 00:39:31.920
will take you to Finland or Korea, right, so you

822
00:39:31.960 --> 00:39:35.599
have that flexibility to fit that into your schedule. Have

823
00:39:35.679 --> 00:39:38.119
you done a lot of traveling outside the US for

824
00:39:38.199 --> 00:39:39.920
these events? No more?

825
00:39:40.400 --> 00:39:42.159
No, that's that's so I just did that. I did

826
00:39:42.159 --> 00:39:44.440
that in Finland. I'm hoping to do that for Korea

827
00:39:44.599 --> 00:39:47.400
next year. Most of the time it's within the US.

828
00:39:48.159 --> 00:39:51.800
So you know, there was a meet up in Spokane,

829
00:39:51.920 --> 00:39:56.039
there was one in Iowa, there was one in North Carolina.

830
00:39:56.559 --> 00:39:58.880
In this latest one in Alabama. So that's all within

831
00:39:58.920 --> 00:40:00.360
the US, and you.

832
00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:03.920
Know, yeah, yeah, it's great. Is then you can you

833
00:40:03.960 --> 00:40:06.119
make your own schedule yeah, so that the Kaiser thing

834
00:40:06.280 --> 00:40:09.679
was that where it was that your choice that you

835
00:40:09.679 --> 00:40:12.280
didn't want to take on as many clients or did

836
00:40:12.280 --> 00:40:15.079
they just make some changes within their own organization.

837
00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:18.280
With I'm sorry what so? So it's funny how the

838
00:40:18.360 --> 00:40:20.000
Kaiser things. So I hadn't, like I said, I had

839
00:40:20.119 --> 00:40:24.599
envisioned finding all these individual clients. Oh, all these people

840
00:40:24.599 --> 00:40:26.079
they want to run a ten k or they want

841
00:40:26.079 --> 00:40:28.079
to run a ten k faster and I can coach them.

842
00:40:28.519 --> 00:40:30.960
And I kind of found that people weren't interested in

843
00:40:31.079 --> 00:40:34.559
hiring a coach for running, which was kind of a

844
00:40:34.599 --> 00:40:36.760
bummer because that's what I wanted to do. But then

845
00:40:36.880 --> 00:40:39.760
I actually I bumped into a woman I know who

846
00:40:39.800 --> 00:40:44.800
is a parent of a couple of girls that Cameron

847
00:40:44.880 --> 00:40:48.480
danced with in I think in like middle school age,

848
00:40:48.679 --> 00:40:51.760
and she's a doctor at Kaiser. I bumped her into

849
00:40:51.760 --> 00:40:54.760
her on the street and she said, oh, what do

850
00:40:54.800 --> 00:40:56.320
you know. I said, well, I actually just dropped off

851
00:40:56.480 --> 00:40:59.960
a package of stuff to you know, my former doctor

852
00:41:00.840 --> 00:41:03.559
and telling him that hey, I'm a personal trainer, I'm

853
00:41:03.599 --> 00:41:05.280
a coach. If you have somebody that you want to

854
00:41:05.280 --> 00:41:08.000
get into fitness, you can send them my way if

855
00:41:08.000 --> 00:41:09.960
you want to, you know anyway. So I told her

856
00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:11.119
that and she said, we why don't you go right

857
00:41:11.199 --> 00:41:14.039
upstairs here in the Kaiser building and talk to so

858
00:41:14.079 --> 00:41:17.440
and so and because they have programs and you might

859
00:41:17.440 --> 00:41:20.400
be able to, you know, work with Kaiser. And so

860
00:41:20.480 --> 00:41:22.119
I did, and I went up there and I started

861
00:41:22.119 --> 00:41:24.119
off with their employee wellness program. They have a very

862
00:41:24.199 --> 00:41:27.840
robust employee wellness program. They have exercise classes all the time,

863
00:41:27.840 --> 00:41:30.320
and I started doing programs for that. So they had

864
00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:32.679
a program they wanted to let's train to run a

865
00:41:32.679 --> 00:41:35.000
five k or half marathon or whatever you want to do.

866
00:41:35.039 --> 00:41:37.800
And so we did this weekly thing where we'd meet

867
00:41:37.880 --> 00:41:40.360
up somewhere in the East Bay and do a group

868
00:41:40.559 --> 00:41:43.760
walk or run together. And we were training for the

869
00:41:43.840 --> 00:41:47.000
Kaiser sponsored half marathon in San Francisco, or you could

870
00:41:47.039 --> 00:41:51.280
run the five k. And then from that actually kind

871
00:41:51.320 --> 00:41:55.360
of connected to the same thing was the program the

872
00:41:55.400 --> 00:41:59.679
way the medical weight management program that that actually ended up.

873
00:41:59.679 --> 00:42:01.639
I ended of doing a lot more with that than

874
00:42:01.679 --> 00:42:04.760
with the employee wellness program. And that was so their

875
00:42:04.800 --> 00:42:07.599
program is a thirty week long program with a medically

876
00:42:08.519 --> 00:42:12.239
monitor diet and like I said, thirty weeks of education.

877
00:42:12.960 --> 00:42:14.760
The people in the program, have to come to a

878
00:42:14.800 --> 00:42:17.519
meeting every single week, and they bring in experts and

879
00:42:17.559 --> 00:42:19.360
they talk about different topics, and they would bring me

880
00:42:19.360 --> 00:42:22.719
in twice to talk about different kinds of exercise. I

881
00:42:22.760 --> 00:42:27.320
did probably fifty different cohorts of that group, which was fine,

882
00:42:27.840 --> 00:42:30.960
but now that's really dwindling because of the availability of

883
00:42:33.599 --> 00:42:34.519
what was epic.

884
00:42:36.679 --> 00:42:38.480
Really yeah okay, yeah, okay.

885
00:42:38.320 --> 00:42:41.199
So if you can so a lot of people. I mean,

886
00:42:41.280 --> 00:42:43.920
it's a very hard program. It's very very hard to

887
00:42:43.960 --> 00:42:47.000
commit to thirty weeks coming to you know, a meeting

888
00:42:47.079 --> 00:42:50.079
every every week, and you like, you're not allowed to

889
00:42:50.079 --> 00:42:54.440
miss the meetings. There's that, and it's very uncomfortable when

890
00:42:54.519 --> 00:42:58.519
you just start eating less without any sort of you

891
00:42:58.599 --> 00:43:01.599
know intervention, you know medical intervention, like a like a

892
00:43:01.679 --> 00:43:05.320
drug that you know helps you eat less. And so

893
00:43:05.880 --> 00:43:08.920
people would rather do, you know, the ozempic thing, because

894
00:43:08.960 --> 00:43:11.840
it's it's easier. What I hope and it hasn't been

895
00:43:11.880 --> 00:43:14.079
around long enough, but I really hope and I do

896
00:43:14.119 --> 00:43:16.519
hope this for you, Gary, that it actually turns out

897
00:43:16.599 --> 00:43:19.280
to be a very healthy option for the rest of

898
00:43:19.320 --> 00:43:23.360
your life. Because the hardest thing is when people do

899
00:43:23.480 --> 00:43:27.199
some sort of program and then the program stops and

900
00:43:27.239 --> 00:43:31.159
they go right back to some unhealthy habits. And I

901
00:43:31.199 --> 00:43:34.199
know people on both sides of that, so it's and so.

902
00:43:35.840 --> 00:43:38.199
But anyway, so there's a lot less demand for this

903
00:43:38.320 --> 00:43:42.519
Kaiser thirty week program anymore. And so they they haven't

904
00:43:42.519 --> 00:43:45.960
called me in six months. Okay, and that's okay.

905
00:43:47.159 --> 00:43:49.159
I think there's a business and there's still somewhere because

906
00:43:50.199 --> 00:43:52.760
I think and also for people of our age group,

907
00:43:52.920 --> 00:43:55.800
where it's it's they, I think people need structure. I

908
00:43:55.800 --> 00:43:58.800
think they need someone to lead a group because it

909
00:43:58.880 --> 00:44:02.079
was previously. We spoke with an other person on our podcast.

910
00:44:02.280 --> 00:44:06.880
His name's Joe Andrews, and he actually got involved with a.

911
00:44:07.320 --> 00:44:10.480
What was it Gary a triathlon group.

912
00:44:10.559 --> 00:44:13.440
I heard that I was listening to, Yeah, and he.

913
00:44:13.519 --> 00:44:16.000
Was really and what was really amazing about that was

914
00:44:16.039 --> 00:44:18.199
that it created a lot of community. There was an

915
00:44:18.199 --> 00:44:20.679
offshoot that created and you mentioned that people are enjoying

916
00:44:20.719 --> 00:44:23.079
running and are very cordial and like to run.

917
00:44:23.400 --> 00:44:26.320
So I still think there's a model in there some way. Yeah, yeah,

918
00:44:26.360 --> 00:44:26.559
you know.

919
00:44:26.639 --> 00:44:28.880
And I'm not trying to grow my business anymore at

920
00:44:28.880 --> 00:44:33.760
this point. I'm very comfortable being mostly retired. It does

921
00:44:33.840 --> 00:44:36.480
allow me to spend all the time that I want

922
00:44:36.599 --> 00:44:38.840
if you know, running, if I'm not injured like the

923
00:44:38.880 --> 00:44:41.920
way you or riding my bike or all those kind

924
00:44:41.960 --> 00:44:43.400
of things. So that's fine.

925
00:44:43.559 --> 00:44:48.360
Yeah, And did you have a wish list or a

926
00:44:48.400 --> 00:44:51.599
bucket list of things that you had set aside for

927
00:44:51.960 --> 00:44:54.360
one time allowed and maybe is that time?

928
00:44:55.039 --> 00:44:55.239
Yeah?

929
00:44:55.320 --> 00:44:57.639
Yeah, I mean it's and it wasn't specific things that

930
00:44:57.679 --> 00:44:59.679
I wasn't able to do before, but now I can

931
00:44:59.719 --> 00:45:02.000
do more of it. So for example, if I want

932
00:45:02.039 --> 00:45:04.039
to go for a bike ride, you know, a fairly

933
00:45:04.079 --> 00:45:06.519
long bike ride, it might take three or four hours, right,

934
00:45:07.039 --> 00:45:08.840
But and if I'm working, I can't. If I was

935
00:45:08.880 --> 00:45:10.800
working at it an in an office, I couldn't do

936
00:45:10.800 --> 00:45:12.880
that during the week, right, And now I can do

937
00:45:12.920 --> 00:45:16.119
that whenever I want to, And so I'll do that

938
00:45:16.159 --> 00:45:19.480
on the weekends with other people. But also, you know,

939
00:45:19.599 --> 00:45:23.320
I could just oh it's you know, you know, Wednesday afternoon,

940
00:45:23.360 --> 00:45:25.400
I'm not doing anything for the next few hours. I

941
00:45:25.440 --> 00:45:27.159
can hop on my bike and go for a ride.

942
00:45:28.400 --> 00:45:31.519
And so that's I mean, that's really I really appreciate that.

943
00:45:31.760 --> 00:45:34.559
Or you know, I think about a year ago, I thought,

944
00:45:34.559 --> 00:45:37.800
you know what, nothing's happening this next week, I'm going

945
00:45:37.840 --> 00:45:39.719
to go over to the Eastern Sierra and look at

946
00:45:39.719 --> 00:45:42.760
the leaves changing. So I went over there for a

947
00:45:42.800 --> 00:45:45.599
week and just spent time hiking and riding my bike

948
00:45:45.639 --> 00:45:53.639
around over there and enjoying the lovely fall colors. So wow, yeah, yeah.

949
00:45:52.639 --> 00:45:55.800
A question, yes, sir? What you sound like? You sound

950
00:45:55.840 --> 00:45:57.760
like or you seem like you're pretty intelligent?

951
00:45:58.440 --> 00:45:58.840
Right to me?

952
00:46:00.320 --> 00:46:03.000
I know?

953
00:46:03.280 --> 00:46:05.599
What is your relationship with technology?

954
00:46:06.199 --> 00:46:09.039
And why I ask that is because when people have children,

955
00:46:09.119 --> 00:46:13.400
most times we find as boomers that our technology skills

956
00:46:13.440 --> 00:46:16.840
are not anywhere near the equivalent of our children.

957
00:46:17.320 --> 00:46:18.880
So how is that for you?

958
00:46:18.960 --> 00:46:22.079
Pretty good? But here's here's my complaint about the world

959
00:46:22.119 --> 00:46:26.920
of technology. Okay, okay, all you read about every single

960
00:46:27.039 --> 00:46:31.920
day in the news is what AI? Right, the whole

961
00:46:31.960 --> 00:46:36.199
world of technology has moved into AI. But why can't

962
00:46:36.239 --> 00:46:40.480
I get my email on my phone to work right? Well?

963
00:46:40.679 --> 00:46:43.800
Why can't, you know, except for Netflix? Why can't Why

964
00:46:43.840 --> 00:46:47.039
doesn't the remote work very well? So I can just

965
00:46:47.239 --> 00:46:49.760
search for a particular show or something like that? Can

966
00:46:49.800 --> 00:46:54.000
we please just pause the AI solve these really easy

967
00:46:54.079 --> 00:46:56.960
There should be easy problems first and then move on

968
00:46:57.000 --> 00:46:59.000
to AI because that's just stupid.

969
00:47:00.199 --> 00:47:04.000
Yeah, right, AI is very sexy. I have to say

970
00:47:04.400 --> 00:47:06.800
I was not a believer in it. I had no

971
00:47:07.079 --> 00:47:10.599
interest in it until I try to hit a couple

972
00:47:10.599 --> 00:47:13.559
of chat GBT things and like, holy crap, I can

973
00:47:13.599 --> 00:47:16.360
see the pitfall because it's going to be too easy

974
00:47:16.400 --> 00:47:19.519
to not think, or not be creative, or rely on

975
00:47:19.559 --> 00:47:24.840
some other entity to create your thoughts, which is a

976
00:47:24.880 --> 00:47:25.480
little scary.

977
00:47:25.559 --> 00:47:29.519
Yeah, my, my, My worry with the AI stuff is that,

978
00:47:29.679 --> 00:47:31.920
you know, kids that are supposed to be learning how

979
00:47:31.960 --> 00:47:36.920
to think critically and you know, write a summary of something,

980
00:47:37.599 --> 00:47:39.880
are not learning how to do it at all. But

981
00:47:40.039 --> 00:47:42.320
I did hear from somebody the other somebody was telling

982
00:47:42.320 --> 00:47:45.280
me that what teachers are doing now more is that

983
00:47:45.320 --> 00:47:50.360
they're having kids wright stuff in class. Yeah and so,

984
00:47:50.519 --> 00:47:52.599
and I think because I think, I mean, a lot

985
00:47:52.599 --> 00:47:55.599
of the world's problems can be traced back to people

986
00:47:55.679 --> 00:47:58.159
just don't know how to think critically. You know, they

987
00:47:58.199 --> 00:48:00.719
hear something and it doesn't occur to them to question, you.

988
00:48:00.679 --> 00:48:07.800
Know, Yeah, but has your has your son ever schooled

989
00:48:07.840 --> 00:48:10.119
you in any technology like the remote or any of

990
00:48:10.159 --> 00:48:10.719
those things?

991
00:48:10.880 --> 00:48:14.519
Not really, He's not a tech kid, you know, And

992
00:48:14.800 --> 00:48:18.039
it was you know, he's he studied political science in college.

993
00:48:19.280 --> 00:48:21.480
He could have gone into tech. So so here's a

994
00:48:21.519 --> 00:48:23.000
great thing too. So when I was coaching at the

995
00:48:23.039 --> 00:48:25.039
high school, and of course I get kids that are,

996
00:48:25.079 --> 00:48:28.239
you know, thinking about their you know, their collegiate and

997
00:48:28.280 --> 00:48:32.719
then professional careers. And I swear I would ask these kids, so,

998
00:48:33.119 --> 00:48:34.639
you know, what are you going to study when you

999
00:48:34.679 --> 00:48:38.880
go to college? Oh, computers or you know, technology. I'm like, oh,

1000
00:48:38.920 --> 00:48:43.760
really do you like that? Not really? And there was

1001
00:48:43.760 --> 00:48:46.119
this mindset that they've been told over and over the

1002
00:48:46.159 --> 00:48:48.280
only way to earn a living is in the tech field.

1003
00:48:49.239 --> 00:48:49.639
M hmm.

1004
00:48:49.800 --> 00:48:53.559
And I'm like, it's actually not, you know. I mean,

1005
00:48:53.639 --> 00:48:57.719
you know, my son studied political science and I literally

1006
00:48:57.760 --> 00:49:00.440
had to move stuff out of his on campus dorm

1007
00:49:00.880 --> 00:49:03.039
because he had to start work on the monday after

1008
00:49:03.079 --> 00:49:06.039
graduation and he didn't have time to move his stuff out.

1009
00:49:06.079 --> 00:49:08.440
And that was just because he was passionate about what

1010
00:49:08.480 --> 00:49:11.760
he was interested in and he got a job right away,

1011
00:49:12.239 --> 00:49:15.679
you know, and kids get this idea that it's you know,

1012
00:49:15.800 --> 00:49:17.559
they're not going to be able to earn a living.

1013
00:49:17.559 --> 00:49:19.480
They're going to be you know, they're going to be

1014
00:49:19.480 --> 00:49:21.639
living in their mom's basement. You know, if they don't

1015
00:49:22.000 --> 00:49:23.760
work inte even if they do work in techt But

1016
00:49:25.079 --> 00:49:28.000
so I and I tried to really support the kids

1017
00:49:28.079 --> 00:49:29.719
that were interested in other stuff. I had a couple

1018
00:49:29.679 --> 00:49:34.039
of kids that went to school and studied art and

1019
00:49:34.039 --> 00:49:36.599
and some of that combined with with technology. One of

1020
00:49:36.599 --> 00:49:40.440
my kids that was on my that I coached, I

1021
00:49:40.599 --> 00:49:45.559
just was what was the movie the Dragon movie? The

1022
00:49:45.679 --> 00:49:46.920
animated Dragon movie?

1023
00:49:46.960 --> 00:49:47.360
What was that?

1024
00:49:47.480 --> 00:49:50.079
How to Train Your Dragon? And his name was in

1025
00:49:50.119 --> 00:49:53.239
the credits because because he worked on that, and he's

1026
00:49:53.280 --> 00:49:54.920
been working on all these films. I want to go

1027
00:49:54.960 --> 00:49:58.079
see the Fantastic Four Origin Story one. He worked on

1028
00:49:58.079 --> 00:50:00.119
that one. His name's going to be up there. And

1029
00:50:00.119 --> 00:50:02.280
it's just it's so cool that he he was so

1030
00:50:02.360 --> 00:50:05.519
interested in art and he was skilled enough in technology,

1031
00:50:05.559 --> 00:50:07.719
he went to school, studied that and now he's actually

1032
00:50:07.760 --> 00:50:11.239
doing it, you know, which is I think it's really cool.

1033
00:50:12.440 --> 00:50:14.400
Hum amazing.

1034
00:50:16.639 --> 00:50:20.639
Yes, is there a question that you wish people would

1035
00:50:20.679 --> 00:50:23.320
stop or start asking you?

1036
00:50:23.400 --> 00:50:25.480
I wish people would stop asking me, Hey, would you

1037
00:50:25.559 --> 00:50:30.079
like a beer? Because obviously the answer is so obvious.

1038
00:50:30.480 --> 00:50:33.119
Do you need to ask? Just bring me the beer?

1039
00:50:36.840 --> 00:50:37.119
Running?

1040
00:50:37.199 --> 00:50:41.519
Yeah, I mean that they run and runners like beer,

1041
00:50:41.599 --> 00:50:47.440
so yeah, no, I'm just kidding. But no really, I mean, yeah,

1042
00:50:47.519 --> 00:50:51.000
I don't know that kind of thing doesn't bug me.

1043
00:50:51.519 --> 00:50:53.639
Yeah, okay, I mean the same thing came up with

1044
00:50:53.679 --> 00:50:55.679
the questions about AI too, is like, you know, ye

1045
00:50:55.920 --> 00:50:59.199
are so drawn to it right now, and I do

1046
00:51:00.159 --> 00:51:03.079
worry about our future a little bit when I start

1047
00:51:03.119 --> 00:51:05.360
hearing people just rely on it so heavily, right.

1048
00:51:05.559 --> 00:51:10.119
So yeah, So Martin, I've always known you to be

1049
00:51:10.159 --> 00:51:12.440
like very easy going, like one of those people say

1050
00:51:12.480 --> 00:51:14.800
he's nice, you know, it's just like a nice person,

1051
00:51:14.880 --> 00:51:18.000
guess on with everybody. I never hear him, you know,

1052
00:51:18.119 --> 00:51:21.920
like like you and I bad mouth someone. So I

1053
00:51:21.960 --> 00:51:25.679
don't think you talked about someone's back. In terms of

1054
00:51:26.760 --> 00:51:30.639
how you take things in, do you kind of let

1055
00:51:30.679 --> 00:51:33.719
things roll, you know, roll off, or do you stress

1056
00:51:33.719 --> 00:51:37.000
about certain things or I mean, personality wise, you just

1057
00:51:37.000 --> 00:51:40.920
seem very kind of easy going, direct, easy to get

1058
00:51:40.920 --> 00:51:41.320
along with.

1059
00:51:41.360 --> 00:51:45.199
So yeah, I think, and I think in terms of

1060
00:51:45.320 --> 00:51:48.599
interacting with people, you know, I think I've always been

1061
00:51:49.400 --> 00:51:51.840
that way with with you know, a couple of exceptions,

1062
00:51:52.119 --> 00:51:54.800
which I'll mention a minute, but I think the only

1063
00:51:54.840 --> 00:51:57.840
thing I get, you know, uptight about is you know,

1064
00:51:57.920 --> 00:52:02.119
hearing about crazy things going on in current events and

1065
00:52:02.800 --> 00:52:07.400
I just get really frustrated sometimes with that and so

1066
00:52:08.320 --> 00:52:11.679
but yeah, so but yeah, yeah, you know it's but

1067
00:52:11.760 --> 00:52:13.800
in terms of you know, day to day stuff and

1068
00:52:14.360 --> 00:52:17.079
meeting up with people, one thing that I think I've

1069
00:52:17.159 --> 00:52:23.320
changed a lot, and maybe more so recently, is that socially,

1070
00:52:24.360 --> 00:52:27.440
I've become much more outwardly social than I used to be.

1071
00:52:28.400 --> 00:52:31.519
And I don't know why that is. But so I'll

1072
00:52:31.559 --> 00:52:33.039
go up so I you know, I'll run with some

1073
00:52:33.079 --> 00:52:37.920
different social groups sometimes, and nowadays I am not afraid

1074
00:52:38.000 --> 00:52:40.440
at all to just walk up to a complete stranger

1075
00:52:40.519 --> 00:52:43.119
and introduce myself and just start a conversation with them.

1076
00:52:44.079 --> 00:52:47.760
And I think, I don't know why exactly I started

1077
00:52:47.800 --> 00:52:50.920
doing that, but I found that it's really fun and

1078
00:52:50.960 --> 00:52:53.480
you meet some really fun people and really nice people.

1079
00:52:54.039 --> 00:52:56.000
There's a there's a one running group in the East Base.

1080
00:52:56.119 --> 00:52:58.440
So you know, I mentioned social running groups right now.

1081
00:52:58.480 --> 00:53:00.280
I always say we're in a golden age of social

1082
00:53:00.360 --> 00:53:02.320
running groups in the East Bay. You can find a

1083
00:53:02.360 --> 00:53:05.400
different social run maybe more than one, every single day

1084
00:53:05.400 --> 00:53:10.360
of the week. And how do you know they're you know,

1085
00:53:10.639 --> 00:53:15.199
on there's like on meet up, Yeah, various social media things.

1086
00:53:15.239 --> 00:53:17.360
I don't know if you've heard of Strava, But Strava's

1087
00:53:17.440 --> 00:53:20.719
kind of social media for athletes and ride bikes, and

1088
00:53:20.800 --> 00:53:22.440
you know, it uploads a map of where you want,

1089
00:53:22.559 --> 00:53:23.960
that kind of thing. But you know, people have a

1090
00:53:23.960 --> 00:53:26.639
little conversations and they are groups that you can form whatever.

1091
00:53:27.400 --> 00:53:29.719
But what so like one of the groups is it's

1092
00:53:29.719 --> 00:53:33.559
called the East Bay Beer Runners or the Oakland Beer Runners,

1093
00:53:33.960 --> 00:53:36.320
and every week they pick a different brewery in the

1094
00:53:36.320 --> 00:53:40.280
East Bay and you go there and you run like

1095
00:53:40.360 --> 00:53:42.679
three miles or five miles or something, and then you

1096
00:53:42.719 --> 00:53:44.760
hang out afterwards and have a beer and socialize. And

1097
00:53:44.760 --> 00:53:47.559
it's a big group. They'll have like one hundred people

1098
00:53:47.599 --> 00:53:48.800
show up at these things.

1099
00:53:48.880 --> 00:53:49.440
Wow.

1100
00:53:49.480 --> 00:53:51.719
But the funny thing is when I go there, I'm

1101
00:53:51.719 --> 00:53:56.639
the oldest person by like thirty years, and so you think,

1102
00:53:56.679 --> 00:54:00.440
and so I kind of learned by you know, experience. Well, actually,

1103
00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:02.119
so I do have a couple of friends who will go.

1104
00:54:02.159 --> 00:54:04.079
They're about the same age I am. So we're all

1105
00:54:04.119 --> 00:54:07.000
like the old people. But that's one of these groups.

1106
00:54:07.039 --> 00:54:09.840
I've just walked up to people and introduced myself and

1107
00:54:10.280 --> 00:54:13.440
these people are the nicest people in the world, and

1108
00:54:13.480 --> 00:54:14.960
they don't think like, oh, I don't want to talk

1109
00:54:14.960 --> 00:54:17.800
to the old guy. They're like, you know, asking me,

1110
00:54:17.960 --> 00:54:19.880
you know what what I what do I do? And

1111
00:54:20.079 --> 00:54:21.880
with this, and I asked them, how are you doing?

1112
00:54:21.920 --> 00:54:23.400
You know, did you grow up here? But you know,

1113
00:54:23.679 --> 00:54:26.800
just normal conversation and people. I've just found over the

1114
00:54:26.840 --> 00:54:29.360
years that people are way friendlier than you think they

1115
00:54:29.440 --> 00:54:29.719
might be.

1116
00:54:30.920 --> 00:54:33.760
And so I think of a situation like that, you

1117
00:54:33.880 --> 00:54:37.719
already have a step up common is right because you're running,

1118
00:54:37.920 --> 00:54:40.400
So that's like a baseline to start with as opposed

1119
00:54:40.400 --> 00:54:43.519
to someone who you've never met, don't know anything about them.

1120
00:54:43.920 --> 00:54:46.159
It does, it kind of translates a little bit. Though.

1121
00:54:46.199 --> 00:54:48.599
So even like if I'm at a brewery and if

1122
00:54:48.639 --> 00:54:51.760
I'm there by myself and I'm like kind of bored,

1123
00:54:51.800 --> 00:54:53.639
I was like, I'll go up where someone's sitting at

1124
00:54:53.639 --> 00:54:55.320
the bar and I'll say, hey, what flavor beer did

1125
00:54:55.320 --> 00:54:57.360
you get? You know, and we start talking about beer,

1126
00:54:57.400 --> 00:54:59.400
and then it's like pretty soon it's like we're talking

1127
00:54:59.400 --> 00:55:02.480
about and I just I can't think of a single

1128
00:55:02.519 --> 00:55:05.400
time that I've done that and had a negative experience,

1129
00:55:05.920 --> 00:55:08.519
not even once. And so I'm like, this is the

1130
00:55:08.519 --> 00:55:13.320
way I've changed from my former self. And I'm like,

1131
00:55:13.480 --> 00:55:14.599
it's the best thing. Ever.

1132
00:55:16.480 --> 00:55:19.239
I think that's so important for us as we get older, too,

1133
00:55:19.320 --> 00:55:22.760
because there sometimes this tendency to become a little more

1134
00:55:22.840 --> 00:55:26.719
isolated or to not try or put yourself out there.

1135
00:55:27.400 --> 00:55:29.199
Because I think it's a very good rule of thumb

1136
00:55:29.239 --> 00:55:31.199
for us all to continue to be able to be

1137
00:55:31.239 --> 00:55:31.719
open to that.

1138
00:55:31.800 --> 00:55:33.800
Yeah, one of the things I had done recently is like,

1139
00:55:33.840 --> 00:55:35.840
I'm going to start saying hello to people more often

1140
00:55:35.960 --> 00:55:39.679
even walking down the street, or acknowledge them, because during

1141
00:55:39.679 --> 00:55:42.159
COVID there was a lot of that miss moving to

1142
00:55:42.159 --> 00:55:45.159
the other side of the street. But it's a huge

1143
00:55:45.159 --> 00:55:47.559
thing and actually people seem to be very open to,

1144
00:55:47.800 --> 00:55:49.719
like you say, to being say you.

1145
00:55:49.639 --> 00:55:52.000
Know, oh wow, Hi, how are you? Just a quick

1146
00:55:52.280 --> 00:55:54.119
not a deep conversation, but it's just.

1147
00:55:54.199 --> 00:55:57.960
Acknowledging another person, and I think that's a wonderful trait.

1148
00:55:58.320 --> 00:56:01.000
I have a question, Yeah, can I learn to run

1149
00:56:01.000 --> 00:56:01.599
at sixty three?

1150
00:56:01.679 --> 00:56:02.239
Absolutely?

1151
00:56:03.480 --> 00:56:06.239
There's no cutoff date, no cutoff date run Nope.

1152
00:56:06.719 --> 00:56:09.000
And I know you know how to run, but the

1153
00:56:09.039 --> 00:56:11.440
fact is I've never been a runner. There was one

1154
00:56:11.480 --> 00:56:14.440
small period of time, was about maybe fifteen minutes where

1155
00:56:14.480 --> 00:56:17.519
I actually got into it. I understood the whole endorphin

1156
00:56:17.599 --> 00:56:19.960
thing about running and how it kicks in. It only

1157
00:56:20.000 --> 00:56:22.920
happened once in my life, a long time ago, on

1158
00:56:22.960 --> 00:56:26.239
a treadmill at twenty four hour fitness on vand.

1159
00:56:26.159 --> 00:56:28.360
Okay, there you go. It's never happened to me. By

1160
00:56:28.360 --> 00:56:32.280
the way, I've never experienced this runners high that everybody

1161
00:56:32.320 --> 00:56:32.840
talks about.

1162
00:56:33.119 --> 00:56:36.480
Yeah, oh, okay, oh.

1163
00:56:36.440 --> 00:56:39.880
But yeah, there's okay. There to answer your question, there's

1164
00:56:40.000 --> 00:56:45.760
absolutely no maximum age that I'm too old to start running.

1165
00:56:45.880 --> 00:56:47.480
That's not true at all. And that's one of the

1166
00:56:47.480 --> 00:56:50.039
fun things about these meats that I go to is

1167
00:56:50.079 --> 00:56:52.880
you meet people that have, you know, very different experiences.

1168
00:56:52.920 --> 00:56:54.920
Some people started running as freshmen in high school and

1169
00:56:54.960 --> 00:56:58.320
they've been running continuously ever since. Other people ran for

1170
00:56:58.360 --> 00:57:00.280
a while and they stopped for twenty years and they

1171
00:57:00.320 --> 00:57:02.880
picked it up again. One of my friends who I

1172
00:57:02.960 --> 00:57:06.559
met in Finland, he's an American guy. He didn't start

1173
00:57:06.639 --> 00:57:10.119
running until age fifty seven, and he had never done

1174
00:57:10.159 --> 00:57:13.519
any endurance sports at all. He did sailing, which is

1175
00:57:13.639 --> 00:57:16.760
more of a strength sport than an endurance sport. But

1176
00:57:16.920 --> 00:57:19.880
he sort of accidentally discovered he could run pretty much

1177
00:57:19.960 --> 00:57:22.840
all day long, really really fast, and by the time

1178
00:57:22.920 --> 00:57:25.920
he was sixty one sixty two was the he was

1179
00:57:25.960 --> 00:57:29.679
the fastest person of that age group in the world. Wow,

1180
00:57:29.880 --> 00:57:33.840
and just running these crazy marathons and running short races

1181
00:57:33.880 --> 00:57:38.199
fast and just a really neat guy. But he didn't

1182
00:57:38.199 --> 00:57:40.400
start running on fifty seven. He didn't even start.

1183
00:57:41.800 --> 00:57:42.199
He didn't know.

1184
00:57:42.920 --> 00:57:46.400
He didn't know yeh, skill or whatever. And there are

1185
00:57:46.400 --> 00:57:48.400
plenty of other people who will start. They'll start in

1186
00:57:48.440 --> 00:57:52.840
their seventies, you know. And I mean it's helpful to

1187
00:57:54.119 --> 00:57:57.800
have have good running for him and to understand how

1188
00:57:57.840 --> 00:57:59.920
you should go about buying shoes and some things like

1189
00:57:59.920 --> 00:58:03.639
that that I know as a coach. But yeah, there's

1190
00:58:03.679 --> 00:58:06.159
no reason that you can't, you know, start running unless

1191
00:58:06.199 --> 00:58:09.719
you have some like physical disability, like you have a

1192
00:58:09.760 --> 00:58:12.239
problem in your spine that doesn't allow you to do

1193
00:58:12.320 --> 00:58:13.320
that or something like that, you know.

1194
00:58:13.840 --> 00:58:17.440
But yeah, So what I hear is that Gary and

1195
00:58:17.440 --> 00:58:20.119
I are going to start running next week.

1196
00:58:20.239 --> 00:58:24.440
Okay, right, Gary, Well, I just want to tell Don

1197
00:58:24.480 --> 00:58:27.280
how proud of proud I am of him, because he

1198
00:58:27.360 --> 00:58:30.920
actually said on air, can a sixty three year old

1199
00:58:30.960 --> 00:58:31.679
start running?

1200
00:58:32.000 --> 00:58:33.400
Well, I was actually referring to you.

1201
00:58:36.000 --> 00:58:39.599
You're there because Don is still sixty two. But in

1202
00:58:39.840 --> 00:58:42.559
four days and here will be turning.

1203
00:58:42.800 --> 00:58:45.400
Here's the beauty of being the editor of this podcast.

1204
00:58:45.960 --> 00:58:48.320
I can mouth it and I can turn myself into

1205
00:58:48.400 --> 00:58:50.519
a thirty three year old if.

1206
00:58:50.440 --> 00:58:50.920
I want to.

1207
00:58:52.639 --> 00:58:54.880
Well, I'll tell you what. Since since you guys invited

1208
00:58:54.920 --> 00:58:57.239
me onto the podcast, I can give you the friends

1209
00:58:57.239 --> 00:59:00.800
and Family coaching discount, which is it's one hundred percent

1210
00:59:00.840 --> 00:59:03.960
discount for special people. And I'd be happy to coach

1211
00:59:03.960 --> 00:59:06.199
you and and kind of guide you in your running journey.

1212
00:59:07.360 --> 00:59:10.039
I think that's an interesting thought. I'm I might take

1213
00:59:10.039 --> 00:59:11.599
you up on that. Gary's definitely gonna take you a

1214
00:59:11.599 --> 00:59:13.400
month because he's already sixty.

1215
00:59:13.079 --> 00:59:15.360
Three, and he's and he's right, yeah, he's here in

1216
00:59:15.360 --> 00:59:16.159
the Bay Area.

1217
00:59:16.239 --> 00:59:19.199
And it's that bad knees. I keep falling and I

1218
00:59:19.280 --> 00:59:21.440
keep falling on my right knee. So something's going to

1219
00:59:21.519 --> 00:59:22.119
give it this point.

1220
00:59:22.480 --> 00:59:24.719
There's there's strength exercises you can do to help you

1221
00:59:24.760 --> 00:59:24.920
with that.

1222
00:59:27.159 --> 00:59:29.159
I've never been a runner, I guess. I've only done

1223
00:59:29.159 --> 00:59:31.400
one half marathon and I walked to home. Yeah.

1224
00:59:31.400 --> 00:59:34.480
Wait, wait, you've done to the Beta Breakers numerous times, Gary, right.

1225
00:59:34.519 --> 00:59:37.440
Yes, but again just walking. Although as dress as a

1226
00:59:37.480 --> 00:59:40.079
carrot one, excuse me as a pumpkin ones. I did

1227
00:59:40.159 --> 00:59:44.639
race against a carrot okay, so I for sure I

1228
00:59:44.760 --> 00:59:49.320
raced against some pretty fast naked guys time oh and there.

1229
00:59:49.519 --> 00:59:51.679
So it's funny because you know, there's this thing about,

1230
00:59:51.719 --> 00:59:53.519
you know, running naked, and a lot of the people,

1231
00:59:53.519 --> 00:59:55.960
well it's almost all men who do the naked running,

1232
00:59:56.599 --> 00:59:59.480
and but most of them are not really that great

1233
00:59:59.480 --> 01:00:02.320
a runners whatever. But there was one year that I

1234
01:00:02.440 --> 01:00:04.000
was this is a long time ago, and I was

1235
01:00:04.039 --> 01:00:08.280
pretty damn fast. And I start the race and I

1236
01:00:08.440 --> 01:00:10.360
look up and there's these two naked guys that are

1237
01:00:10.400 --> 01:00:13.199
at the start, and I think one of them finished

1238
01:00:13.199 --> 01:00:15.280
way in front of me, and the other guy was

1239
01:00:15.320 --> 01:00:17.760
not only naked, he had painted his body red from

1240
01:00:17.840 --> 01:00:22.519
head to toe. And so we get like two thirds

1241
01:00:22.559 --> 01:00:23.840
of the way through the race, and we're in Golden

1242
01:00:23.840 --> 01:00:26.559
Gate Park and I noticed that he's like either a

1243
01:00:26.559 --> 01:00:28.400
little bit ahead of me or a little bit behind me,

1244
01:00:29.000 --> 01:00:30.960
and I'm thinking, wow, this guy's really good and he's

1245
01:00:31.000 --> 01:00:33.599
you know, and then I realized, oh, wait a minute,

1246
01:00:33.840 --> 01:00:35.880
we're almost to the place where they take the picture.

1247
01:00:37.039 --> 01:00:38.199
And I don't know if I want to have a

1248
01:00:38.800 --> 01:00:41.039
naked guy that's painted red from head to toe in

1249
01:00:41.079 --> 01:00:44.119
my picture, like I better speed up. So I sped

1250
01:00:44.199 --> 01:00:45.760
up and I moved way over to the other side,

1251
01:00:46.199 --> 01:00:47.920
drive and stuff out like that, so he wasn't in

1252
01:00:47.960 --> 01:00:52.079
my picture. But yeah, so fun times.

1253
01:00:54.440 --> 01:00:57.119
So someone had referenced thirty three year old. So I

1254
01:00:57.159 --> 01:00:59.719
want to ask you as a sixty four.

1255
01:00:59.639 --> 01:01:04.159
Year old most almost almost next month?

1256
01:01:04.280 --> 01:01:09.159
Yeah when next month? Okay, if you could go back

1257
01:01:09.159 --> 01:01:13.519
and tell your younger self give yourself some advice and

1258
01:01:13.599 --> 01:01:16.679
you can pick the age eighteen twenty five whatever. What

1259
01:01:16.800 --> 01:01:18.599
advice would you give your younger self?

1260
01:01:19.039 --> 01:01:22.920
I think probably a couple of things. One just in general,

1261
01:01:23.039 --> 01:01:27.559
just chill the f out. I think I stress out about,

1262
01:01:27.679 --> 01:01:30.400
you know, various things more than I really needed to,

1263
01:01:32.239 --> 01:01:34.920
and I think I learned about that. So I I

1264
01:01:35.000 --> 01:01:38.360
was in therapy for eleven years, and that was It

1265
01:01:38.400 --> 01:01:40.760
was funny because the reason I decided to do that

1266
01:01:40.800 --> 01:01:43.039
was I was having trouble communicating with my mom and dad,

1267
01:01:43.960 --> 01:01:46.639
and my wife had said, well, why don't you, you know,

1268
01:01:46.679 --> 01:01:50.159
find a therapist. And so I found a therapist when

1269
01:01:50.480 --> 01:01:53.000
you know, several times and we resolved that issue, and

1270
01:01:53.039 --> 01:01:54.880
I thought, you know, this is I really like this.

1271
01:01:55.760 --> 01:01:57.800
So I kept going to the therapist like every other

1272
01:01:57.840 --> 01:02:00.760
week for eleven years. I went so long that she

1273
01:02:00.880 --> 01:02:05.519
retired and she actually asked me. She said, dodn't know

1274
01:02:05.559 --> 01:02:07.400
how long you've been you've been coming to see me.

1275
01:02:07.440 --> 01:02:09.440
And I'm like, I don't know, like six or seven years,

1276
01:02:09.440 --> 01:02:12.400
she said, eleven years. I'm like, oh my god, but

1277
01:02:12.480 --> 01:02:14.800
I I you know. Anyway, So that taught me a

1278
01:02:14.840 --> 01:02:18.400
lot about just not taking things quite so seriously whatever.

1279
01:02:18.440 --> 01:02:20.159
And I think to tell my younger self. The other

1280
01:02:20.159 --> 01:02:23.119
thing is what I know now about socializing. It's like

1281
01:02:23.440 --> 01:02:26.239
it's like, like, be comfortable just walking up to someone

1282
01:02:26.280 --> 01:02:30.679
and introducing yourself and saying hi, and you can meet

1283
01:02:30.719 --> 01:02:32.079
a lot of really cool people that way.

1284
01:02:33.079 --> 01:02:34.119
I bet, I bet.

1285
01:02:34.719 --> 01:02:37.360
Is that something I've never been comfortable doing, like going

1286
01:02:37.440 --> 01:02:39.800
even at a party where you know, filled with people.

1287
01:02:39.880 --> 01:02:43.880
Everyone assumes because I'm outgoing, I can talk to everyone.

1288
01:02:44.000 --> 01:02:46.400
I am the quietest one there if I don't know anyone,

1289
01:02:47.480 --> 01:02:48.519
I'm not comfortable.

1290
01:02:49.719 --> 01:02:52.719
I didn't used to be, and now I am. And

1291
01:02:52.760 --> 01:02:56.039
it's fun. And you no, no, that's it.

1292
01:02:56.079 --> 01:03:00.480
It's not you got there, not through the though. I

1293
01:03:00.639 --> 01:03:01.599
got there on your own.

1294
01:03:01.679 --> 01:03:04.719
Yeah yeah, okay, yeah, And I don't know what I

1295
01:03:04.760 --> 01:03:07.880
don't really know what triggered that. I don't know why

1296
01:03:08.119 --> 01:03:11.800
I suddenly, I mean suddenly, you know, probably gradually, but

1297
01:03:12.280 --> 01:03:13.800
I don't know. I don't know what made me do that.

1298
01:03:13.880 --> 01:03:18.639
But well, I mean we you know, as we get older. Yeah,

1299
01:03:18.679 --> 01:03:21.320
there's a lot less things that we want to hold onto. Right,

1300
01:03:21.360 --> 01:03:22.960
So one of them sounds like you were letting go

1301
01:03:23.119 --> 01:03:26.719
of the worry about what the outcome was going to be.

1302
01:03:26.800 --> 01:03:30.199
Yeah, I think you're right. Yeah, And I think you know,

1303
01:03:30.239 --> 01:03:31.679
once you do it a couple of times and you

1304
01:03:31.719 --> 01:03:36.639
realize you don't get rejected by doing that, then it's like,

1305
01:03:36.719 --> 01:03:38.000
why not keep doing it? It's fun?

1306
01:03:39.199 --> 01:03:45.159
Right? Yeah? Yeah, I'm that way where I as I'm older,

1307
01:03:45.280 --> 01:03:53.760
I'm less worried about, you know, approaching someone and what

1308
01:03:53.800 --> 01:03:57.519
are they going to think? Right, what's that line from

1309
01:03:57.519 --> 01:03:59.400
the movie I'm older and I have more insurance? Yeah,

1310
01:04:00.599 --> 01:04:01.440
I don't care who won?

1311
01:04:01.679 --> 01:04:02.960
Yeah, Yeah, that's right.

1312
01:04:03.079 --> 01:04:04.039
Yeah, I don't care.

1313
01:04:04.400 --> 01:04:06.639
So, Marty, who would play you in a movie or television?

1314
01:04:06.719 --> 01:04:09.559
You know, I wanted to prep you on I know.

1315
01:04:09.719 --> 01:04:13.119
So full disclosure for anyone listening is that that was

1316
01:04:13.159 --> 01:04:15.440
one of the potential questions that you guys were going

1317
01:04:15.480 --> 01:04:20.000
to ask, and number one. It's difficult because I never

1318
01:04:20.039 --> 01:04:23.800
remember actors names, and so literally what I did to

1319
01:04:23.840 --> 01:04:26.639
think about this, to prep for this question was I googled,

1320
01:04:27.320 --> 01:04:31.079
you know, famous actors, and just got just a list

1321
01:04:31.079 --> 01:04:34.039
of actors. So the ones I came up with were

1322
01:04:34.599 --> 01:04:37.800
Jeremy Renner as long as he's not like, you know,

1323
01:04:39.400 --> 01:04:41.599
you know, being run over by his own snowplow or

1324
01:04:41.679 --> 01:04:46.079
something like that. Oh yeah, so that was that was

1325
01:04:45.800 --> 01:04:47.320
that was that was very scary.

1326
01:04:48.079 --> 01:04:48.599
Yeah.

1327
01:04:48.639 --> 01:04:54.320
And then let's see who was the so I have

1328
01:04:54.360 --> 01:04:56.159
a I made a note here.

1329
01:04:59.000 --> 01:04:59.039
U.

1330
01:05:02.719 --> 01:05:08.920
One of them was Matthew McConaughey, okay, and I just

1331
01:05:10.280 --> 01:05:12.400
I just love how he and you know, his his

1332
01:05:12.679 --> 01:05:15.119
joke is like he's always saying all right, all right,

1333
01:05:15.159 --> 01:05:17.920
all right. It just seems like a very laid back,

1334
01:05:17.960 --> 01:05:18.960
cool guy, you know.

1335
01:05:19.239 --> 01:05:19.599
Yeah.

1336
01:05:19.639 --> 01:05:22.320
And actually the funny thing is is that, you know,

1337
01:05:22.320 --> 01:05:25.760
I was thinking about, well, should I think of someone

1338
01:05:25.760 --> 01:05:28.159
who kind of looks like me or is the same

1339
01:05:28.239 --> 01:05:30.400
shape I am? And I couldn't think of anybody that

1340
01:05:30.440 --> 01:05:33.880
looks like me, you know, unlike my dad, who was

1341
01:05:33.920 --> 01:05:39.199
once described as looking like McLean Stephenson. Okay, And I'm like,

1342
01:05:39.280 --> 01:05:41.199
I never thought about that, and I looked at picture

1343
01:05:41.199 --> 01:05:42.800
of mcleans and it's like, oh my god, that looks

1344
01:05:42.840 --> 01:05:45.159
just like my dad, which was funny.

1345
01:05:45.239 --> 01:05:47.519
But see I can see that in you. I can

1346
01:05:47.559 --> 01:05:48.679
say I can see some resemblent.

1347
01:05:49.280 --> 01:05:51.800
Yeah maybe, I guess. Yeah. Anyway, I can't find who

1348
01:05:51.800 --> 01:05:52.599
the other person was.

1349
01:05:52.639 --> 01:05:55.079
But but that's okay because it's mostly a question about

1350
01:05:55.079 --> 01:05:57.400
who you believe it could be. It could be something

1351
01:05:57.559 --> 01:05:59.400
because of the trait you had. It doesn't it doesn't

1352
01:05:59.400 --> 01:06:01.719
mean physical at all. It means like a trait or

1353
01:06:01.760 --> 01:06:04.599
something that you find that's something that you are aligned with.

1354
01:06:04.639 --> 01:06:05.000
That's all.

1355
01:06:05.119 --> 01:06:05.719
That's all that is.

1356
01:06:09.199 --> 01:06:12.079
So mister f for any of the questions for I guess.

1357
01:06:11.760 --> 01:06:13.679
We've ran the gamut.

1358
01:06:13.960 --> 01:06:19.360
Yeah that one was for free, you guys, that was

1359
01:06:19.360 --> 01:06:19.679
for free.

1360
01:06:20.039 --> 01:06:25.400
But you know what, that was good the whole It's

1361
01:06:25.480 --> 01:06:30.280
it's insane, No, but that just when I.

1362
01:06:30.199 --> 01:06:32.599
Write him down, they suck. When I come up with

1363
01:06:32.679 --> 01:06:36.199
them with my brilliant comical timing, it's easy.

1364
01:06:36.239 --> 01:06:42.000
It sucks a little less. Yeah.

1365
01:06:42.039 --> 01:06:46.119
Well, anyway, so Marty, thank you very much. This was

1366
01:06:46.199 --> 01:06:46.559
so much.

1367
01:06:47.039 --> 01:06:49.039
It's great getting back in touch with you. And I

1368
01:06:49.039 --> 01:06:50.760
think it's kind of cool because you had said before

1369
01:06:50.880 --> 01:06:52.880
you know, a couple get together to go. It was

1370
01:06:52.960 --> 01:06:55.280
really nice to run into you and I forgot what

1371
01:06:55.400 --> 01:06:58.360
a great nice guy. Well, thank you and likewise, well

1372
01:06:58.400 --> 01:07:00.360
because we hadn't literally seen each other and what thirty

1373
01:07:00.400 --> 01:07:01.119
writers or something.

1374
01:07:01.199 --> 01:07:01.800
Yeah, literally.

1375
01:07:01.840 --> 01:07:05.280
Yeah, So it's a pleasure to be back in touch

1376
01:07:05.320 --> 01:07:07.639
with you. I can't wait to run into you again. Yeah,

1377
01:07:07.760 --> 01:07:09.480
I can't wait and run into.

1378
01:07:09.360 --> 01:07:11.440
Gary with my car, but to you, I'd like to

1379
01:07:11.519 --> 01:07:13.760
run into meeting.

1380
01:07:13.840 --> 01:07:16.800
And you know, one of these days, we keep threatening,

1381
01:07:16.920 --> 01:07:21.199
you know, Frank, who also lives in Palm Springs, to

1382
01:07:21.320 --> 01:07:23.599
come down. We're planning to just surprise him and just

1383
01:07:23.599 --> 01:07:25.719
show up at his front door. But I know you're

1384
01:07:25.719 --> 01:07:27.440
down there, and you guys live fairly close together.

1385
01:07:27.519 --> 01:07:31.239
I think I am literally and figured this out when

1386
01:07:31.280 --> 01:07:34.639
we spoke last, was that I'm literally one block away

1387
01:07:34.679 --> 01:07:35.280
from nice.

1388
01:07:35.519 --> 01:07:37.320
Wow. You never seen it before.

1389
01:07:37.320 --> 01:07:39.400
I mean obviously I wasn't looking to see him, but

1390
01:07:39.440 --> 01:07:41.480
now that we know this, it's like, yeah, we'll definitely

1391
01:07:41.480 --> 01:07:41.800
do that.

1392
01:07:42.480 --> 01:07:44.639
And he's down there full time, right, but you're there

1393
01:07:44.639 --> 01:07:46.320
obviously you know he'd missed.

1394
01:07:46.400 --> 01:07:49.320
So yeah, yeah, well thank you again.

1395
01:07:50.119 --> 01:07:52.480
Oh it was great, Yeah, yeah, it was fun.

1396
01:07:52.519 --> 01:07:54.960
It was great, fun, congratulations on everything.

1397
01:07:55.000 --> 01:07:55.320
Thank you.

1398
01:07:56.519 --> 01:07:58.679
It sounds like you're really moving in a great direction

1399
01:07:58.760 --> 01:08:00.239
and you seem very happy.

1400
01:08:00.480 --> 01:08:02.480
So I think we're happy for you too. I know

1401
01:08:02.480 --> 01:08:02.920
we're happy.

1402
01:08:03.400 --> 01:08:07.320
Yes, happy too. So yeah, and it's it's been great

1403
01:08:07.360 --> 01:08:09.920
reconnecting with you guys too. So it's been it's been

1404
01:08:09.960 --> 01:08:10.400
super fun.

1405
01:08:10.639 --> 01:08:15.000
And congratulations again. Can't wait to look forward to seeing

1406
01:08:15.000 --> 01:08:16.800
you again when we get to the next get together.

1407
01:08:17.039 --> 01:08:19.359
Gary, you need to plan something, apparently apparently.

1408
01:08:19.399 --> 01:08:21.119
So it sounds like you guys are in a thread

1409
01:08:21.119 --> 01:08:23.079
of communication to which keeps everybody in the know.

1410
01:08:23.279 --> 01:08:23.479
Right.

1411
01:08:24.159 --> 01:08:26.880
I do what I can with what you got left,

1412
01:08:27.000 --> 01:08:29.880
with what I have left, yes at this age.

1413
01:08:30.000 --> 01:08:32.399
Okay, Well, nice talking with you. Great talking to you.

1414
01:08:32.479 --> 01:08:34.800
Let's schedule our coach running coaching sessions.

1415
01:08:35.159 --> 01:08:36.560
Yes, actually I might take you up.

1416
01:08:36.600 --> 01:08:38.319
Okay for sure, Yeah, let's do it.

1417
01:08:38.359 --> 01:08:40.000
Okay, all right, talk to you later.

1418
01:08:40.079 --> 01:08:40.800
Take your guys.

1419
01:08:41.039 --> 01:08:50.079
Thank you, we're back. That was so nice. He is

1420
01:08:50.119 --> 01:08:51.079
such a nice person.

1421
01:08:51.479 --> 01:08:52.600
He is a nice guy.

1422
01:08:52.640 --> 01:08:54.079
I know I said that in the recording to but

1423
01:08:54.079 --> 01:08:56.159
I forgot what a nice guy. And I really, I

1424
01:08:56.399 --> 01:09:00.159
truly admire that what he shared with us about being

1425
01:09:00.439 --> 01:09:02.640
more comfortable just going up and saying hi to think

1426
01:09:02.920 --> 01:09:06.079
people right, And you know, I think that's a huge

1427
01:09:06.079 --> 01:09:08.640
golden rule for all of us. I think you never

1428
01:09:08.680 --> 01:09:10.479
know until you try and find out. But I get

1429
01:09:10.479 --> 01:09:12.960
the hesitation about it, but I mean I have to

1430
01:09:13.039 --> 01:09:14.159
I want to try and do that too.

1431
01:09:14.199 --> 01:09:14.880
I'm trying to do this.

1432
01:09:14.960 --> 01:09:15.960
But as you said, I mean, you know, it might

1433
01:09:16.000 --> 01:09:18.119
be uncomfortable first couple of times, but once you start

1434
01:09:18.159 --> 01:09:22.880
doing it, it becomes you know, you've become less affected

1435
01:09:22.920 --> 01:09:25.880
by it, and you you know, like why not? And

1436
01:09:25.920 --> 01:09:27.680
what's the worst they could do is like be rude? Like, oh,

1437
01:09:27.680 --> 01:09:29.479
I fine, you're rude, Okay, get away from me.

1438
01:09:29.560 --> 01:09:31.560
Whatever exact so, and I say that to you all

1439
01:09:31.600 --> 01:09:31.920
the time.

1440
01:09:32.000 --> 01:09:32.319
I know.

1441
01:09:34.279 --> 01:09:35.399
So you ready to close us out?

1442
01:09:35.479 --> 01:09:37.880
I think we are, so don't worry.

1443
01:09:37.920 --> 01:09:39.800
There's no script. Do it the way you carry.

1444
01:09:39.920 --> 01:09:43.439
We have wrapped up another successful episode with another great guest.

1445
01:09:45.000 --> 01:09:48.439
I know that in the can we have episodes that

1446
01:09:48.439 --> 01:09:52.840
are coming up with more guests, either on your favorite

1447
01:09:52.880 --> 01:09:57.000
podcast platform, which would be Apple and Spotify. There's also

1448
01:09:57.119 --> 01:10:01.479
Blue Sky. There is YouTube in the flesh, as they say,

1449
01:10:02.079 --> 01:10:05.479
where you can see here and judge for yourself.

1450
01:10:07.039 --> 01:10:08.039
What's the judge?

1451
01:10:09.000 --> 01:10:12.720
You can find us on our website at pod page,

1452
01:10:13.159 --> 01:10:17.880
we get it. If you want to send us an email,

1453
01:10:18.039 --> 01:10:21.479
that would be Don and Gary doing sixty at gmail

1454
01:10:21.520 --> 01:10:26.239
dot com and of course Instagram, Facebook. Basically, you can't

1455
01:10:26.239 --> 01:10:31.319
swing a dead cat without finding us somewhere. So until

1456
01:10:31.359 --> 01:10:33.079
next time, I'm Gary.

1457
01:10:33.880 --> 01:10:35.960
And I'm done, and join us next time.

1458
01:10:36.039 --> 01:10:39.720
Even though we're a few feathers short of a hole duck.

1459
01:10:42.600 --> 01:10:45.239
You feel free to laugh or insert laughter track here.

1460
01:10:45.399 --> 01:10:47.119
Yeah, you got to insert something because.

1461
01:10:47.319 --> 01:10:51.760
Okay, well I'm not gonna tell any more joke anyway,

1462
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take care of all right sounds. Good bye bye,