S2E10 TOP 3-Film Dramas & Funny Mamas

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4:48 Okay, well, speaking of movies, yes, we want to start with funny mamas or high dramas. I think let's start with a cry and end with a laugh. Okay, that sounds good. And I'm wondering po will have a little crossover. I mean, I think we will, but I don't know if we will. So what you start and go first? Sure? So why we came Why we came up with this because, well, we both enjoy movies, both enjoy comedies as well, funny women, and just to kind of lighten it up a little, and because there's everything's going on, sometimes it'll cry or it'll laugh to get us through the day. So we thought we'd start with top three films, and we picked the drama category. And of course you can look at any number of lists, because it was a little stressful for me because it's like there's hundreds of thousands of movies, yes, like our hundreds of thousands of fans, yes, And it's hard to pick, you know.

5:47 We initially said top ten, that'd be way too much. Said listen, they're done to top three, And I said well, let me pull up some of those lists, top fifty, top hundred, top whatever. And you know they're all subjective. Have you said in the past you look at the list and like, really, that's on your list? Well, I decided since it's my top three, and you're gonna do your top three. Yes, right. It may not be everyone's cup of tea, but these are films that have through the years. I've always been one that like kind of my go tos of like maybe I need a good cry, right or I need, you know, just a good drama. Yeah, and there are probably movies that you've seen multiple times. Oh yeah, for sure, Yes, yes.

6:29 Pops up on TV. It's like, you know what, nothing else, I'll watch it again. So not that this is a factor, but two of the three are oscar you know, winning films multiple Oscars. The third one didn't win any awards of any time, and actually it won a couple like Rotten Tomato awards, which is not good. But I appreciate it and if it's on I will watch it, and I have it on DVD, I'm sure. So in no particular order, the first one I pick was Ordinary People, Okay in nineteen eighty, so Robert Refford directed it. It was his first movie he ever directed, and it starred Donald Sedlnd, Mary Tellamore, Timothy Hutton, and Judd Hirsh, all of Well.

7:12 Three of those four were nominated for Academy Awards. Sadly Donald Sutherland wasn't, and he was super good in this movie. But Mary Tallamore, you know, we're all used to being seeing her in her own TV show or Dick Van Dyke show comedy Sweet, and this one it was a real turn for her. A lot of people refer to his character as a bit it was just more, you know. If you know the story, a family of four, one of the sons accidentally dies in a voting accident, and I think when he died, part of her inside died, so it you know, it was obviously a traumatic thing for her. And Timothy Hutton, who plays the other son and the younger brother, he was with his brother on this voting trip and so he feels guilt like even though it was complete accident, it was a bad storm and the and the brother drown. His character felt very guilty and hold up with him and a lot of trauma.

8:12 So jud Hirsh plays the psychiatrist, So a lot of drama in their sessions, a lot of tension between the mother and son, and then the mother and the and the father. You know, other supporting actors that were really good. So just really good film it one six, let's see one four Academy Awards Picture Director, Supporting Actor Timothy Hutton, and Adaptive Screenplay. So yeah, so. That was my Well, wasn't that one of the first times when we saw, Like you said, Mary Tyler Moore had always been the funny Mary Richards frum her show, and this was one of the first roles she took where she turned into a cold, very emotionally strapped person, right right, yeah, And it's interesting.

8:55 So it's it's I believe it is based I think it is based on the book. And Robert Redford was looking, oh yeah, after reading the novel, he had her in mind for the role of Beth, despite her roles as Laura patri and richardson TV. They he said he made a comment where his family, I guess growing up wasn't that great, so maybe there was some similarities. But what he saw in her for the role, I don't know, because that's not a side of her. We've ever seen in a role she's played. She's always the nice girl. But I thought, I mean, I thought she. Was amazing in it, so yeah, for sure. Yeah, and then cut some trivia things work well, yeah, because when you pull up the film, it's like, oh, I didn't know that little trivia. So this kind of fun stuff I'll throw in. Originally, Paramount the film company wanted Robert Redford for the role of the father Donald Southern character, but he said no, he didn't find it interesting to him. Bruce durn and Ken Howard also considered.

10:03 It. Says it is Timothy Hutton's film debut, which I didn't know that, so this was his very first film he ever did, really because he did taps on all these others, but they came after this, So this was his first film role. So when he was first Timothy Hutton was first offered the part the role of his parents. Who they're considering were Anne Margaret and Anthony Franciosa and other actors were you know, you always hear these stories of other actors that were considered for the role or auditioned for the role, But I don't you should hear about this, So Gene Hackman originally was cast as Calvin the Father, but dropped out because he couldn't come to a financial agreement. Okay.

10:44 Richard Dreyfuss was also considered for the role of a psychiatrist. Natalie Wood was considered for the role of Beth the Mother, as well as Lee Remick and Margaret. But Redford said he when he read it and he knew he wanted to direct this. This was the first movie he was directing. He had her in mind, and he fought for her and. He got what what year was it again, nineteen eighty. Nineteen eighty wow? Yeah, So her TV series had ended in the lates in like seventy seven, I believe, mm hm, So you know, she was still writing a high wave and you know, and he just had her in mind. And the last bit of trivia on that was that Michael J. Fox auditioned for the role of Conrad the Sun, Emilio Estevez, Sean pen Ross considered, Rob Low sought the role but couldn't get an audition. So it was just one of those films that I don't know if they knew in advance how well it would do. But you know, it's a meati drama and a lot of people were trying out for it, So there's a little trivia on that.

11:43 Good job, good job. And it's a shame because I believe Donald Sutherden passed away recently. Right, I think I said in last year in twenty twenty four. Yeah, yeah, but yeah, I just the movie itself overall. I mean, it's a downer topic. You can never really have a happy ending because it's a drama, right. But it's just one of those that just and not that I've had that similar experience in my family in terms of a trauma like that, But I don't know, it's just I and draw in to movies like that that you know, whether it make you think, make you cry whatever tears have been shed. Well, and of course because it was like I think Donald Suthan was much more a sympathetic parent than Mary Tyler Moore was right, and didn't they didn't they somehow blame the death of the Sun on Timothy Hutton.

12:34 Well, I think his character felt that because she shut down after the other son's death, he felt I think that she blamed him even though you know, he didn't kill his brother. It was an accident. And I think that kind of opened up that in that era of the eighties too, because there's actually someone who I'm going to mention a couple of times who actually did some films in the eighties too where they were trying on their dramatic chops as it were. So a number of different actors and actresses have taken on that role because at the time the eighties was times one of those times where they were getting to realistic films, realistic in quotes and dramas, and a lot of screenplays were being written after short stories or books.

13:19 So yeah, I think, I mean a lot of films try and tackle the tough, you know topics, whether suicide or you know, someone dying of cancer or whatever it is. But I think in the older days maybe they would allude to it, and this was maybe one where they kind of try to take it on head on. So I really love this movie. So okay, that's my first one. Okay, you want to throw one. Out, sure, I'm going to take. And I don't know if this is on your list, but I went with Terms of Endearment in nineteen eighty three was amazing. So you had it on your list too, Yeah, okay, so I'm sure and you know that one is a freaking tear jerker if you want a good cry. Oh my gosh.

14:00 Deborah Winger, who I think is an incredible actor, amazing, She's such a good actor, and she's kind of definitely fallen out of the limelight over the last number of years. But I'm just looking at that. For the Academy Awards, it was a Best Actress for Shirley McClain, who also is in there as James L. Brook once for the Best Picture of the Year, Best Directing by James L. Brooks again, who's actually a good actor and a great writer. And finally, Jack Nicholson won for Best Supporting Actor. No, sorry, Best Actor in a Role for nineteen. That role was supporting actor. Is it supporting? Yeah? Oh you're right, I'm sorry because I was reading his Best Actor in a Supporting Role. Don't don't contradict me.

14:40 This is my movie. But yet we can all relate to it, right because you know, it's this that typical story where the mom and the daughter are are being moms and daughters, so sometimes they get along, sometimes they don't. And yes, and Serna McLain definitely does not care for the man that he ends up marrying the time, his name was Slap But you know, I got to say, Shirley McLean let her hair down, literally and figuratively. She got to the point because, of course, as we all know, her daughter is diagnosed with cancer. I think it's terminal cancer. Yeah, and of course that'll be definitely a note for someone to start thinking, oh, this is not going to end well, which it didn't, but there was that one. I'm sure that there are a number of amazing scenes. One of the ones that I remember in a very lighthearted way is when she actually went to a party with her friend in New York and the first thing out of their friend's mouth was, so, you have terminal cancer. And she goes and she spits out her yay on someone because.

15:40 Because leading up to that lunch, her friend told the other friends, look, she's got cancer, but we know we don't want to make a big thing about it, so like make it part of casual, right, and sasaw she thought it'd be casual. So Betsy tells us. You have cancer, and that she spits her food. It's like, well, that's just putting it out there. Yeah. But back to the other side of it, I mean and I'm sure you're going to agree with me too. There's a couple of pivotal scenes. One of them, of course, is where her daughter has to wait to a certain time each day to receive her medication for pain, yes, for this cancer, and Shirley McLain is basically asking the nurses at the nurse's desk to give my daughter the medicine or give her the pill because she's waited this long, she's in pain. They kind of hesitate, they don't give it to her right away, and she literally is screaming, banging on it. It's like, someone give my daughter the pill because she's been in so much. It's almost making me tear up thinking about it because it's just such a heart wrenching scene where she gets the nurse to finally give her daughter the medication that she needs because she's been waiting all night and all day to get this medication but probably morphine to relieve her pain, right And that was heart wrenching to see it.

16:48 There's a movie that came out about a year or too ago called Spoiler Alert, and it was a similar storyline where there's it's a gay couple and one of them is in the hospital and needs his medication, and so partner is out in the in the nurses station like it's you know, he basically recras that scene and uh and his partner because you know, he just kind of made the comments like it's very Shirley McLain iView or something, right, So it's a fantasye not even reference in another movie that he acted the same way. It's like he need to give him his medication at the time he needs. Yeah, but no, that was a heart wrenching one. It had its comedy moments too, and that was part in the Jack Nicholson party. But sometimes there were scenes that were you didn't have words to convey the message. So, you know, Deborah Winger's character is in the hospital and I guess maybe they're away from home because they're staying at a hotel while she's in the hospital being treated. So cheery McClain is like not all glammed up as she normally would be to be out and but you know, but she's suffering because of her daughter.

17:59 And she walked back into the hotel and sitting on the steps is Jack Nicholson who's come to visit, and just that scene with no words, Yeah, I'm going to tear up ye right. Yeah, it was. It was really really sweet because that's not normally something his character would do, right, he was all about getting the getting late right out of the dates, right h and and then but he came there for her, you know, and they didn't have to say any words, so it was it was really there's a lot of scenes like that in the movie. So there's also the scene where they're we're seeing each other after he's been gone for a long time and they both grab each other's butts on the steps, give or that. Right, yes, And and he's been courting her and flirting with her and she's like, oh, it's beneath her to to even consider it. And she finally agrees to go out to lunch with him. Yeah, and it's convertible and he takes it out with the top down. Remember her hair gets out. That whole scene. It's just it's just very funny because she's normally this put together, prim proper you know, what will other people think? And he's like, he couldn't care. Lets right, he's flirting with other women while he's at lunch with her, and he's like, well, that's very inappropriate, you know.

19:07 Yes, and doesn't she say like boys who don't mind their manners don't get dessert or something like that. Yeah, He's like, we're gonna need a lot of booze. So I love that mix. You know, there's that heavy, heavy drama and you have that you know, funny comedic moments or flirtation whatever, that kind of you know, evens it out. So overall it was one of my. I want to give one more shout out to Debra Winger because there is a scene where she's speaking with her son and she is definitely very ill and on her way out and her son comes in and he doesn't want to hug her, and she says, don't do it, don't cry, don't show any I'm tearing up just talking about this when she's telling don't I don't want to just show me that you're upset. I don't want you to cry. And the kids ends up bawling and she's crying.

19:55 It's like, oh my god. It's like it's just an amazing scene. And again, Deborah Winger such an incredible actor who has done many other things, but that's probably, I'm going to say, one of her most iconic roles. So yeah, so that's both. That was both on our lists, right. Right, Okay, say a little more trivia on that one. Sure. So. Sissy Spacek was originally scheduled to play the Deborah Winger role. Jodie Foster turned it down because she was going to Yale at the time and couldn't take time off. Real life mother daughter actresses Janet Lee and Jamie Lee Curtis were considered for the roles. Louise Fletcher was also considered for the role of Aurora the mother. Kim Basinger was originally offered the role of Patsy, who's Deborah's best friend in the movie, but turned it down because of another movie role. What to say So Jack Nicholson's character the Astronaut doesn't appear in the novel, which is a space on the novel it says the part was created for Bert Reynolds, but he was already committed to another film, so tended to James Garner. Garner quartered with the director over differing interpretations. The part then went to Harrison Ford, who turned it down because he didn't like the age difference between himself and Shirley McClain. Paul Newman turned it down.

21:18 Wow. So then finally went to Jack Nicholson. Wow, who I think did it quite well? Oh yeah, but I mean he was like six in line or whatever. It's like wow wow. And then you may not remember this, but they made a sequel to this movie. So this movie came out in nineteen eighty three, in nineteen ninety six, so, but thirteen years later they did a sequel called The Evening Star, Oh, where Deborah Winger's three kids are all grown up and they're probably still as messed up as ever. So Jack Nicholson and Shirley mclainber prize that rolls. They were the only ones from the original film. Okay, but it didn't do that well in terms of the critics stuff. I mean I saw it, I don't remember it. Yeah, and they say, interesting, the three characters who played the kids, as you know in the Young in the first film were old enough they could have played the same character again, but they they won with other actors. Okay, okay, so a little trivia on that.

22:18 Good job. That was good in that. Of course, Now I have to rewatch that one. It's been a long time. Yeah, So what's your next one? So this is my third one, and again it's not one that went on any list, and it's it's like a glorified Hallmark movie, which is you know, I mean that shouldn't be taken as a as a. No Hallmark got me through COVID, Are you kidding? Yeah? No, because I love a good Hallmark movie. So it's called Message in a Bottle from nineteen ninety nine. It stars Kevin Costner yes, and Robin Wright yes, and Paul Newman plays his father. I forgot about that movie, and then a couple other supporting actors who are really good in it, John Savage and Ilana Duggle. So it didn't win any nominations any awards. So takes place where Robin Wright is a writer for a newspaper in Chicago.

23:10 Kevin Costner lives in like Maine area, and he's a shipbuilder, and the Message in the Bottle refers to the fact that his wife died and he, you know, couldn't deal with her death, so when he did, he would write letters to her and he'd put him in a bottle, and then when he's out sailing, he would throw out in the ocean. And one of those bottles turned up in Chicago. Okay, and they turned it, and then Robin Wright was given the letter, and she's sown triagued by it. She wanted to find out more like what caused this man to wanting this person to do this, So through investigations she could narrow down where it came from, who did it? She met him and ended up falling in love with him.

23:56 And. And you know, the end of the movie, A'm not gonna give but it it's a tear jerker, okay. Paul Newman is amazing in it, okay, and his relationship with his son is again a little bit of you know, touch and go, but their scenes together are amazing. And I really enjoyed the movie. You know, someone considered it a chick flick or whatever, but I'm gonna admit it. I love a good chick flick. Yes, but you know what, I'm sure a bunch of guys have seen that movie and tear up just the same. Yeah, just the same. Yeah. So how do you remember seeing that? I do remember it. I forgot that Robin Wright was in it, who also is another incredible actor. He's done such a great job. I loved her on House of Cards.

24:39 She's done so many good, good things. Kevin Costner. Actually, you know he's been doing He's been on Yellowstone recently, which is getting a lot of accolades. I don't recall the movie as much as well as you do, but I do recall seeing it. There was nothing to do with dragonflies in that one, was there. No, Okay, that's a different movie. Sorry, that's a different costume movie. Yeah. It was also good in the Bodyguard, so we still love it. The Bodyguard and then Field of Dreams. Yes, yes, that. Is another one of those that you know, it was so hard to narrow down to three. We're gonna have to do another episode of this, like b side movies like the People that we probably like ourselves that no one's ever heard of, So maybe that would be for another episode. Okay, So anything else on that one.

25:27 I didn't have too much trivia on that. Again, it didn't win a lot of it didn't win any awards. But yeah, so I don't know who else was considered for the roles or anything like that. But but that's so those are my three so ordinary people. Terms of endearment and message in the bottle. So you mentioned terms of endearment, so well, I I have two, but I kind of. I was vacillating between the two. That's a big word. I'll explain to you what it means later. Vacillating Like, okay. It's Family's one of my other favorite words, provocative, But go on. So this one is one that I really enjoyed quite about. It's The Shawshank Redemption, okay, and it is kind of.

26:10 It is a drama, as you know, it came out in nineteen ninety four with Tim Robbins and Morgan Freeman, and basically, as we all know, the premise of the show is that the banker was unjustly convicted of a crime, goes to a prison and spends a time there actually making friends with and getting to know people inside of the prison, and eventually finds a way to escape that prison after basically using a knife or a spoon to carve behind different posters of his wall, which changed generationally through the years. So it starts with I don't know so like Rita Hayworth. Then it turns into wrect hell Welch, and then it turns into Farah fawcet. So eventually, what's amazing about this show and what's really I guess pointing about it is that it's narrated by Morgan Freeman overall, and he talks about what a good man this Tim Robbin's character plays, because he actually does do a lot of good and helps out like the accounting for the warden in the prison who ends up to be crooked and dirty and eventually what he wants though and does do by basically carving out sand or concrete and putting it in his pant going out to the yard and jumping it over years and years and years and years and years. And one of the things that comes out that's kind of the dramatic side of it is that Morgan Freeman is eventually released from prison and he finds that he is having a very hard time being outside of prison trying to get back into society. He eventually wants to go back to prison, which I believe he does at the very end because oh, I'm sorry, that's

27:44 not right. He gets out of penism, but he struggles a great deal with being outside of the routines and the parameters and basically the walls of prison, and he comes back in. The wonderful thing is that they do show a very emotional scene where they explain or illustrate how Tim Robbins's character actually eventually gets out, goes through three miles of sewage pipes to get out, and eventually he leaves a box with money in it for Morgan Freeman buried under a tree. Oh wow, do you remember this movie? I did see it, but in so long ago. I'm all I remember. Is a prison drama. Yeah, I couldn't tell you. It's a very touching show because at the very end, as we all know, Morgan Freeman actually gets to where Tim Robbins is on a beach fixing a boat, and they get back together again as friends outside of prison. After Tim Robbins escapes and Morgan Freeman basically leaves jail, and I even, I'm gonna go on a lemon. Say it's a Stephen King novel or novella, so I will double check that. Let me check that right now, you talk, you do that?

28:47 No, I guess I did see it in the theater many years ago. Yes, because it was one of the you know, highly praised movies at the time. But I yeah, I couldn't tell you other than it was a prison drama. Couldn't tell any details. It is a Stephen King book. Oh yes, so he's done things like The Green Mile and this one, so that would definitely be a book I would consider reading. What Isn't Stephen King associated more? Would like horror, absolutely, but he has more of a it's more of almost a fable that he's telling in a way. But again, it's a very touching film. I loved it. It was a great thing. It came out in I say, nineteen ninety four, okay, yeah, and let's see do you have men a trivia on it? It did not win any Academy Awards, but it was nominated for Best Picture, Best Actor for Morgan Freeman David Screenplay, but it didn't win because basically, Forrest Gump was actually happening the same year, and Forrest Gump teared up that year, right right, right, yeah, thing up that year.

29:47 So yeah, but it is sad when you, you know, not the Cademy Awards is the be all end all, But there's films like I remember The Color Purple was that for like eleven or thirteen nomination didn't win anything. Nope, which is just mind boggling to me. Another drama highly regarded, which was one that I considered my list. Do you remember it was Shirley McClain and Anne Bancroft the turning point. Oh absolutely, wasn't that another one of those eighties genre films, right? I mean, amazing film center around ballet. They're both ballets in the dancers, but their lives turned took different turns.

30:30 But it's one of those that it was not for like eleven nominations and didn't win anything. Yeah, wasn't Barishnikov in that one? He was was? Yes, I remember that film. That was a great film. One thing that comes to mind in those times that we'll talk about this where you get to the funny mamas. At one point, Carol Burnett actually did a film with Elizabeth Taylor called Between Friends. Okay, remember that one at all. That's where again, when the genre was it was basically they were these comedic actresses were taken making serious roles and it was one of Caroburnette's first serious roles. So this is the theaters are for TV. I think it was TV. It was TV. It rings about, I can't I'm sure I saw it, I just can't remember what it was about.

31:14 Basically, Carol Burnett is a real estate agent. Elizabeth Taylor is basically Elizabeth Taylor and they become friends. You know, they didn't think that because there's from such different worlds. But basically, Elizabeth Taylor drinks too much and takes too many pills, and Carol Burnett's like a sex addict. Basically, well, she gets around and they kind of befriend each other and then they help each other out at the very end. I think Elizabeth Taylor takes too many pills over acts and Carol Burnett saves the day. Of course she does, Carol, but she was also I mean at the time, I know we're going up down a little hole here, but I think Carol Burnett was, you know, in awe of Elizabeth Taylor and was so excited that she got the opportunity to work with her.

31:56 So I'm gonna mention because you mentioned Carol Burnett and we we mentioned married Teller Moore, I'm gonna a little gap bridge the gap with that one. That movie is called Between Friends. There's another movie called that's what you said, right, Okay, So there's another film that may I initially thought of, not for this episode, but called just Between Friends. Okay. Theater it was Mary Tyler Moore was married to Ted Danson, okay, and he starts having an affair with Christine Lottie and I love right, and then on the two ladies meet somehow and become really good friends and then don't know that they share the same man. Huh uh, it's it's it's a really good called just between friends.

32:46 Probably, yeah, because I know, like I said this, this genre movie was really beIN popular and. Yeah, and and uh it's Sam Watterson, isn't it too, So that's another good theatrical film. Yeah, And anyway, so yes, we've go off a little tent, but that's okay, that's okay, all right. Do you have any did you have any other? I had one just honorable mentioned and it's kind of like it's a kind of a drama, but it's a campy drama. It's all about Eve Wow with Betty Davis and a little known then Marilyn Monroe and Baxter. It was nineteen fifty the movie came out. It is a drama, but it's a narrative drama, not unlike Shawshank Redemption, where Morgan Freeman over is speaking over but actually there is a character who is speaking over who is actually the basically the theater critic. I don't remember his name. I'm sorry, I don't have it, but he basically narrates the whole thing, and as you know, the story is, Betty Davis is this aging actress on Broadway. She has a young girl that comes in and kind of befriends her or tries to get in with her as her assistant, unknowingly that she had an agenda to take advantage of and ultimately usurp I'll use playing that word to you later with Bacilla Vacillate and basically comes over and tries to take over her her part in the roles. Because Betty Davis is aging, she has a younger boyfriend. But it's a great story and it's a little campy. There's some great scenes in it. There's you know, of course, hold on to your seatbelts, it's going to be a bumpy night

34:18 with a martini and dropping right there. Oh yeah, very iconic stuff in there. But I thought, you know, that's still it is considered a drama, absolutely, but there's some really good comedic moments in there too. Yeah. No, that's why I said when you when I was trying to figure out and they're down to top three you started looking at all the great classics, the Casablancas and the Ames, and you know, gone. I mean, there's just so many that are it's subjective. And now let me just throw another curveball at you. Have you ever heard of the movie Arrival with Amy Adams? And I do too. She's quite a good act. Again, we could go down a lot of rabbit holes here. She's done so many good films also. But the beautiful thing about this movie, which is basically a science fiction movie, which you wouldn't think though, is the way the story is told. Because basically, I'll try and give you this fifty cent version of it. Aliens come and land on the planet. They have a different perception of time. In the movie, the premise is that Amy Adams has a daughter who has already died, and at the end she learns the way to actually live your life is to come back through memories and remember all of the good things that happened when she had this daughter. So well, that's a whole other genre, a whole other thing to go through. But it's really a beautifully well told story, and it is in some ways very poignant and very dramatic.

35:33 So just throw that out there too. No, yeah, I get yeah. We could go on and on on. Yes, And Christine Lottie is a whole episode on itself. Because I've got movies. We should do b sides because we're going to talk about that. Christine Lottie was in a movie with Meg Tilly called Leaving Normal. Have you ever heard of it? It sounds familiar, amazing. It's probably one of my all time favorite movies ever. And Meg Tilly, you know, she's been around, but you know, she kind of fell off the forefront. And Christine Lottie actually has been doing TV but not much. Pull me off of this because I don't want to go down to Christine Lotti rabbit hole because I'll be there forever. Okay, So we're gonna end film dramas, yes, and now we're going to talk about funny mamas. Funny mamas. Okay, you go first.

36:14 Okay, So we've already mentioned her name a couple times as Caro Bernette. She was the first one on my list too, right, I mean you and I grew up on her so TV, of course, most known for her own variety series on CBS, which ran from nineteen sixty seven to nineteen seventy eight. So I think we bonded on her while her show was on, when we were watching the show on television and calling each other and talking about the lines from that show. Yeah, I mean, I think because it was well back then in the fifties and sixties, variety was on TV. Writy shows was very popular, right because Jackie g Lison and this everyone had a variety show. She's one of the first women that was the lead of it right when the shatter her ensemble characters of Harvey Corman and Vicki Lawrence and Lyle Wagner and then later Tim Conway. Yes, but then it was the movie spoofs and the musical numbers, which and the costumes which like every week they had, you know, full on blown up musical numbers, dance numbers.

37:19 Had an amazing cast of supporting players who were the background. Did you tell me that Paul Maggie actually made every single costume for that show? Yeah? Wow, for all of her shows and then went on to share shows and other things like that. But so, I mean, super talented, but it was like quick because it was every week and for eleven eleven seasons, and then they had the skits that they would do, and the movie spoofs and the commercials and musical numbers and so on. But you know, we all know a lot of her famous characters, Unice of the Family. Unice and Mama and classic stuff. And then she was missus Wiggins with Tim Conway's mister tad Ball. She was his his secretary, the charwoman, which was how the show started, you know, the woman with the mob and the front, the clothes, the famous movies through so many of them, name but one of which, of course is Went with the Wind, which was going on with the Wind, and they had a recurring spoof of a soap opera and they called it as the Stomach Turns. Yes, yeah, so just I mean literally they lived up to the name of variety because there's so much of it. Yes, And she did the pratfalls and some of the you know characters. Harvey Korman, especially when he did his you know, Clark Gable or he dressed up as the woman and the you know, the whole body suit, the fat suit and whatever her name was.

38:51 I mean, just I mean yeah, so so that was just a variety show. But then in the seventies, especially in the seventies and part of the eighties, she did a branch out in the film. She did several films Pete and Telly, Front Page A Wedding from Robert Altman, Big Ensemble one as she played the mother of the bride. One of my favorites was the Fourth Seasons from nineteen eighty one with I mean look at this cast. Alan Alda, who I didn't know, wrote and directed this movie as well as starred in it as her husband. Rita Moreno and Jack Weston were another couplen in this movie, and then Len Carriw and Sandy Dennis were the third couple.

39:35 And the premise was that these long time a couple friends would travel together, so they did four different trips, one each season. And at some point in the movie, one of the characters he divorces his wife and starts ends up marrying a younger woman, so that kind of brings some drama into the family. But you know, beautiful scenery and it was one of those that was both comedy and drama. Amazing cast. And I just saw recently that Netflix This is Now. The movie came out in nineteen eighty one, right, so forty plus years ago. Whatever it was. Netflix is doing a series based on that, and it is starting right now in May of twenty twenty five, and the two leads are Tina Fey and Steve Carrell.

40:23 Yes, that is gonna be amazing actual. And that of the three couples, one of them is a gay couple. So I've seen the trailer of it. You know, verdict is still out. We'll see how. It's a good cast, so just see how it plays out. But it was just interesting that after all these years they make a movie into that. She was an Annie the supporting role in that movie, and did some well acclaimed TV movies, one of which was called Friendly Fire, where she was the mother of a young guy who was killed in the war. She got accolades for that. Done some mini series more recently Palm Royal, which I didn't see. Well, here's gonna wait for you to mention that one, because the best part about that her and that is basically she sits on a bed like this for eight episodes, doesn't.

41:07 Say a word. Oh she never speaks, not until the end of the halfway through the series. And it's great because they just have shots of her in bed like this in a coma. That's all she does she's lying around for eight episode or five episodes or something. It's it's it's really good actually, but then she wakes up. There was a mini series years ago, and it was when all the nighttime soaps were very popular, Dynasty and Falcon Cress and all this. So she was in one a mini series, a spoof of Falcon Crest. It was called Fresno. She was a matriarch and the other medic actor remember, and it was Gregor Harrison. But it was one of those that you know, at the time, it was very popular, very funny. So but she's one of those that is equally comfortable doing comedy and drama. I mean, she's also a singer known as that.

41:52 But she. Did several variety specials on TV singing with Julie Andrews and Beverly Sills. Were quite good friends, yeah, very good friends. And they still are. I mean they're both still alive. She is. I think she'll be ninety three, Oh my gosh, really on her next birthday. Wow, let's see. She has one for Emmy six wins, twenty three nominations, Golden Globes seven wins, eighteen nominations. She's been nominated for Tony three times one once, nominated for Grammy three times one once, So she needs an oscar to fill out her egot.

42:35 Did you mention that she started once upon a mattress? Did you start there? That was her first nineteen fifty nine, that was her first Tony nomination, So she started well, I think everyone knows the story where she was. Did not grow up in a rich family, very poor family in Los Angeles. Her grandmother and she would past time, I've seen a lot of movies. So she fell in love with Hollywood, was able to go to UCLA, but then when she wanted to pursue acting as a career, she felt she had to be in New York, but couldn't afford it. So she had performed in some like local party for a lot of local people, and there were some rich people there who really appreciate her. So one of the guys said, I would loan you the money. At that time, it's like a thousand dollars. They said, yeah, at the time it was one thousand dollars equivalent to eleven seven hundred and nine dollars in twenty twenty four. Wow, So by that time a thousand I was you know, got you a lot going so and he said the stipulation was that you could never reveal my name, have to pay it back within five years, and if you achieve success, you have to pay it forward. Basically, oh wow, So she's never revealed his name, she did paying back five years to the day, and then she has obviously tried to pay it forward now and help others and in their career. So I was just really like a success story.

44:03 How all that started? But yeah, wow, but yeah, she started on TV the Gary Moore Show, ended up, you know, getting more notoriety and going in other variety shows. And then CBS approached her like, hey, how would you like to, you know, sign a contract with us? And the contract stipulated and I don't know if she put this in or her lawyer put it in, but she had the right to do whatever she wanted to do. And she wanted to do a variety show and they're like, no, we don't really see you because there's a woman, a woman leading a variety show back in the you know that time, that's not gonna happen. And the contracts like she was committed, they had to make X number of shows and it could be whatever she wanted, and she wanted to do that as she did it, and then it ended up running for eleven seasons.

44:50 Wow, that's amazing. Yeah, so that's my first one. Who's okay? Well, anything else you want to add to that? No, I think you covered all of it because we both adore her and have been following her for years. I think you and I, as I mentioned before her, still quote her, still do all of the things from the show. You know, it went with the wind, what win? Well, that ain't pretty well, that's pretty good. Didn't answer my question that kind of stuff. So yeah, I mean missus Wiggans, we used to. I think we used to do improvs of those characters, all of her share. Yeah, did you ever walk into a room with a curtain rod on your shoulders? No? But no I didn't, but I wanted to. It's not too late, So yeah, let's jump into mine real quick, and she might be on your page too. But I'm going to mention Madeline Khan as.

45:41 Oh no, I didn't. Did yes? So? Madeline Kahn an amazing actress. We've seen her in a million different mel Brooks films. She was in high anxiety, she was in blazing Saddles. She was in Young Frankenstein. I've tried to imitate her many times unsuccessfully with you know, talking about how she was tired. She sically doing a parody of a Marlena Dietrich character in Blazing Saddles where she's saying, I'm tired everything below the neck is put. So. Yeah. She was a supporting character in the Barbara Streiss and Ryan on Neil movie What's Up, Doc. Yes, she was Neils. She played his fiance Eunice Burns Burns and Barbara Streiss takes over her persona the movie thinks she's the real Unice Burns who's it's And she's amazing in that.

46:40 Too, just that little flip hairdo, and yes, my god, that's actually an excellent film. What is doing with Howard's rocks? Yes, And of course you know there's a she did History in the World part two, I think a part one or both of them, and she's in there one of she plays Cleopatra in one of the and she's basically talking about stop you making my tits fall off. Yeah, And then there's a ping where they have a bunch of guards taking off and leaving the room and they're bouncing and they don't have any underwear on, and she's watching them bounce away with them. It's like, yeah, I mean, she's done so many Gosh, you would know the name of her in High Anxiety, when she wore the Louis Vuitton's like jumpsuit with a Louis Vuitton.

47:23 Cadillac right her outfit mashed car. Yes, do you remember her name in that one? I want to say it was Victoria something, but. Victoria Brisbane that comes that could be it. I remember it was something she also was on. She's done a lot of Broadway. She was seeing a lot of Stephen Sondheim that you can see her on on YouTube. She was an amazing actress. Unfortunately, she died in nineteen ninety nine from ovarian cancer, so that was a huge loss to I can't imagine if, maybe has she lived longer, what she would still be doing, but I'm sure it would be amazing. She met a little trivia about her also, Yeah, for sure. The singer, Yeah, it was either on women that we used to listen to back in the day, Melissa Manchester or Carol may or Seger. She sang back up for them on some of their songs.

48:15 No way. Yeah, oh really, I might have seen her credits on the CBS film or albums. I think she and Melissa sang back up on one of Carrien. Yeah. She was also in Clue and The Cheap Deteple Yes, which were great films, and I think all somehow we're just gravitating towards these films in the eighties, mid eighties, early nineties, but there were just so many good films during that era. So yeah, I mean, it's a great loss that she wasn't around, but she did leave a legacy of characters, so I. Didn't think about her. But again, it was one of those it was hard to narrow down to three, but she definitely would be in my topless as well. Love Love, Love, Mathlon conn Who do you have? Lily Tomlin? Oh absolutely started out, you know, doing stand up, but it's also a writer, producer. She's actually done some singing too, But her stand up led to sketch comedy, and then she started doing characters, which led her to a TV show, a variety show back in the late sixties early seventies called Roan and Martin's laugh In Oh God, I remember that, which ran from sixty nine to seventy three, and from that show came some of her characters, which she made super popular. Ernestine, the one who worked for the TV or the phone company, Edith and the little girl in the big rocking chair, Judith Beasley kind of tight, tightly

49:49 wound woman with a hair van and you know, I think we're proper. You know, she had other characters. She did one woman shows on Broadway where she incorporate these characters, tons of TV appearances The West Wing, Grace and Frankie on Netflix with Jane Fonda, movies nine to five and Nashville, and more TV appearances Murphy Brown, Will and Gray Dashman, Housewives. She's done then. I don't know if they still do them. But comedians, stand upcomers used to do comedy albums. So she did one based on a show called Appearing Nightly.

50:31 This is a Broadway show that they and I have that on LP as old I Am. And then I did another one called The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe. Yes again where she's just playing multiple characters. Uh, some comedy, some drama, a lot like Whoopi Goldber back when she started right where it was character driven and didn't always have to be funny. You get quite serious, but always with some kind of message, but not like in your face, right. I remember, not too long ago, it's been, you know, probably five or plus years, where she appeared on stage at Berkeley. You see Berkeley, and it was her one woman's show where she introduced his characters and lines, and for you and me it would have been like you, I remember those lines, so I'm secretly like reciting them with her as she's saying them right. And I remember going to the restroom at the end of the show and a couple of younger guys are like, that's all old material. So I don't know why, why had you any new material. I'm thinking, when you go see a singer, you want them to sing their hits right, and you're e they're going to inroduce some new songs. But what makes it special for you is that you remember a lot of their big hits when they were, you know, at the peak of their career. So I saw this as an equivalent. I'm like, she did her greatest hits right in front of us, and it brought back a lot of special memories. But they didn't appreciate that, you know, they're more critical of, like I want her new stuff.

52:03 Who cares what they think? I know that's true. I remember that one bit she did with the Deturgent called Girl, Yes, Johnny Isn't yours. Yeah, she was a commercial where advertising a lot of Returgent and in the process realize her husband isn't having an affair. Yes, because there's lipstick on his collar and Gurr will take that out. And then she says, Johnny isn't yours. Oliver water was supper on the table, no responsibility. But you want to know something, Billy isn't yours. See, this is what happens when we talk about these people. We just started ripping them out. So I think that, Yeah, and Frankie is it Frankie, Johnny and Johny and Frankie. Uh No, Grace, Grace and Frankie.

52:44 Sorry, Johnny and Frankie is a movie. Grace and Franky was the series which was an amazing thing, right. You remember The premise of that is that she's Lily's married to Sam Waterston and Jane fond is married to Martin Sheen, and they the two men are lawyers who are partners in the same law firm, and they both comes were married for years and the first episode is where the two couples were having lunch and the two men tell them, we're leaving you because we're in love with each other. And because of financial circumstances, the two ladies have to live together in the beach house that the two couples bought together. And you know, Jane Fonda is the uptight one and Lily Tomlin's the you know, kind of the hippie woman and and easygoing, and it's the conflict that starts out with them that ends up, you know, growing into really lovely friendship. Yes, it was like on for six seasons. I think I saw all of them. I did, but it was, Yeah, it was good to have, you know, great supporting guys, and the two men were, you know, really good in it too, So yeah, it was it was. It was a good show.

53:52 And she's been with her longtime partner for a long long time. Correct, Yes, her Jane Wagner. Yes, it's interesting because they said, you know, in Hollywood, everyone knew that they were a couple, but they never talked about it. She never has publicly come out and said I'm gay, I'm Alissa. She doesn't need to she doesn't need to, and good for her for not having it. She just like lived her life and would never shy away from saying, you know, my partner wrote this because Jane Wagner wrote the majority of her act of her material and was always their front and center, never like shied away or like have her go on these fake dates with you know, Hollywood men, so that people wouldn't you.

54:36 Know, trying to put a beard on. Right. Yeah. I think it says that they eventually got married. Her partner now wife, writer Jane Wagner. They met in nineteen seventy one. They got married December of twenty thirteen, after forty two years together. Wow, So that's not so they've been together fifty four years. Wow yeah wow yeah, so good for them. She's won seven Emmy's, one Grammy, two Tony's, and she was in Oscar nominated for Oscar one time. So I thought she was an egot, but she's not. She's one oh short of an egot because she is an Oscar. Yeah. She got nominated for Nashville Back in Whatever in nineteen seventy five. That was her film debut, but she hasn't been nominated since then. Other amazing movies.

55:31 Beside Nine to five. All of me was Steve Martin. Remember that Big Business with Lily Tomlin. Ye know, she's a Lily Toma with Bett Middler excuse me, they played it was two sets of twins. I remember that she did the incredible shricking woman forgot and then one that people kind of pooh poop. But it was her in one of her few straight roles with John Travolta called Moment to Moment, she's the older. I do remember that one. Yeah, yeah, but you know I put it on the list anyway, So yeah, that's that's that was one of my That was my second one who I had on my list, And I'm sure my third one is on your list. But you who do you have on it?

56:16 Well I'm gonna let you go because I only chose to, so you go ahead. Okay. Well we've mentioned her a few times. In fact, I should have her stamps in front of me. Betty White, oh god, of course. Yeah, another pioneer. She started on radio, uh, transitioned to TV when it started. She had her own TV show called The Betty White Show back in nineteen fifty two, ran for a couple of years. She produced and starred in her own show, which at that time a woman to produce and star in. Uh in the in the mid fifties called life was Elizabeth. Tons of game shows appearances. She even hosted a game sho show for a short time really back in the seventies or something, which up until then that was like man's.

57:05 Well didn't her husband host password? Yes, and that's where they met in London, so they were married for many years until he passed away. She never remarried, but when she hosted the game show, she was the first woman to ever ever host her own game show. That since then, yes, other women have, but at that time it just wasn't you know, it was all men hosting the shows. They never considered it, but she did it. A guest starred on The Calbournet Show, part of the Mama's Family. She played Ellen Eunice's sister, rich sister, Rich Snoddy's sister, and then when Mama's Family spun off to its own TV series, she made appearances on that in the same character Boston Legal. A lot of supporting roles of course, Sue An Niven's and the Mary telling Yeah, the Golden Girls, I mean, oh, God, Yes, and then at that point then retired. Then they asked her to play I think in one the opening the pilot of a show called Hot and Cleveland. Oh God, and they ended up keeping her characters, so that ran for several seasons. Was super popular. Transition did movies. One of my favorite The Proposal with Sandra Bullock and.

58:32 Oh Yes where she starts feeling. She played tons of movies those Yes, Oh. They're amazing, solo classic. There's a clip it's behind the scenes of the Proposal where she's sitting in a chair in Ryan Reynold walks up to her and she treats him like one of the stage chands. I said you, I told you to get me a fucking cup of coffee. Actually, Miss White, I'm in the movie with you. I play your grand son is a movie. Don't give me that. Yeah, she's mouthing. It's a really funny scene. There's another one I have to mention, an outtake from Hot in Cleveland where there's a line when she says her bender is over and they say bender over and she just loses it. I will try and find the clip.

59:16 It's like bender over and she just cannot say it because there's. Tons of bloopers from that show. I didn't watch this series, yes, but I've said it on YouTube. Tons of bloopers. And you know, they were just amazed that at the energy that she had, she lived to be ninety nine. She was three weeks shy of her hundredth birthday. It's amazing. She passed away December twenty twenty one. You know, super beloved. I don't think anyone had anything bad to say about her. Huge animal activist, loved her comedy, did drama that she wasn't really known for. But she you know, had some amazing scenes in different shows and movies. She did Snickers commercial. Yes, whether they're playing like football in the blud and they've done several of these where they there's a woman in the role or Aretha Franklin. There's one where they're in the car, Aretha Franklin's in the backseat and Lisamanelli's in the front seat and this is where they're playing football and it's like, you play a girl. That's not what your girl friend said. I mean, So she is up for anything, yes, and she became like never you know, her populator never died. But there was a period big as of social media or whatever, that there was a campaign on Facebook for her to host Saturday Night Live,

1:00:49 which she did a couple of years ago before she passed, and her first thing when she said came out on stage, she is, I can't believe you guys all because of Facebook. You So I checked it out and I find it a huge waste of time. But you know, she's a trooper and I mean literally kept going. To the end. Yeah. And what's interesting is that all of these people we've discussed, these dramas and mamas, they actually were trailblazers in almost every aspect of the world when it comes to the industry. What they've done, how they led the parade towards you know, a woman being in charge of her own production, her writing, her content, her ability to carry a show, hosting a game show.

1:01:39 You know, these people, these women have actually done an amazing amount of trailblazing. And I think we should be very grateful to all of them because we're standing on the shoulders are a lot of new people are staying on the shoulders of these people paid the way. So and what I love about each one of the ones that we mentioned in terms of the ladies, is that for them, it was all about the craft. There's no drama involved in anything, or it was never about them. It was about their art, yes, and when they brought to it. And they all have a huge legacy that they leave behind that you can catch on you know YouTube or rent the movie or you know, listen to their records, whatever it is. They stay with us forever.

1:02:24 I mean we've been said, Carol Burnette was in the late sixties, so we've been talking about her for sixty years. Yeah. Absolutely, the same thing with Lily Tomlin and you know, Madeline Connor, the names we mentioned, they're all you know, legends, yes, who well deserved accolades and will stay with us forever. So yes, so well done. Filed film dramas and funny mamas. I think that was a really good you're good at titles. I have to say, well, I do what I can. Don't expect me to call you anything that begins with sir or your majesty. Almost ready to shut this one down, I think, so okay, can I carry it this time?

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1:04:01 Okay, calm down. It's a no more coffee for Don, He's done for the day. But no, the website's really cool. I can't wait for people to start using it, especially for the voicemails and for the comments. The question is the website up and running? It is up and running, and again I will put the website here. Okay, thank you. Pod Page. They're not a sponsor, but I gotta say I had the best experience working with them getting us up and running. It's a great, great platform. So if you want to host a podcast, they're your people. I love them. Well, kudos to you for you're the one who's been putting all this together and then research and putting in the music and putting. In the no do it you get to do like this, I'll do it so I can see them there, no do it, but you're head there, nope, lower there, nope, like nope. Okay, I'm gonna give you one ding, So you're getting one ding. That's all you're getting because actually the I've been working as the editor on the Path, the episode that's coming out this week, and there's a lot of things in there. So please forgive us ahead of time because you're gonna have no oh okay.

1:05:04 Anyway, well, aside from the two usual dings. You and me, ding dong, well done, good choice. Okay, Well it's great. It was a lot of fun. Thank you. It was. Okay, we will do this again. We'll pick other categories and have fun with it. Yeah. So we'll do the B side next time, or top three songs, or maybe you could tell us what you'd like us to do top three of. Well, I'm instead of comedians. I thought we were doing favorite singer, so I'm going through my playlist so we can do female singers. So we're gonna do male singers too. We'll do male singers next time. Another time. Yeah, no, they'll be worthy, but yeah, we'll come up more categories.

1:05:45 Will be fun. Okay, Well, have agree weekend, Gary, that was fun, calculator okay, Hi,