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Hi, Leo.
Yeah.

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Miley Yeah, that's very correct.
It's a pleasure after.

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Thank you for inviting me.
Thank you.

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Thank you so much.
My journey has been quite

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unconventional with a little
lots of leaps and bounds which

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is quite interesting.
Especially how it happened.

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But in a nutshell, just to
understand a little bit who I

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am.
I was born and raised in Greece.

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I I studied architecture and as
soon as I could, so in my 20s,

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early 20s, I decided to start
living abroad.

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So I have lived in six countries
so far and I just love being

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citizen of the of the.
World, I felt that.

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It was just so enriching to meet
different cultures.

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So I worked in architecture.
I quite early climbed that

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ladder of.
Architecture end up working for

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the Olympic Games in Brazil.
End up realizing that it was.

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Looking like a dream to
everybody else except for

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myself.
And something inside of me just

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started like there was like
there was literally a voice that

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told me this cannot be it.
Like you're just 28 years old.

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You're miserable beyond
comprehension.

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You're stressed beyond you can
what you can never imagine.

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Well, sure, you have an
incredible salary.

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You're.
Working in a big corporation,

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you have your.
Car and your apartment paid, but

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like is that it?
That's it Like that's how it's

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going to be and I just couldn't
take that.

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I was like no that's I'm missing
something because it doesn't

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feel like.
Like it it was.

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Shown to me as a dream, I think
it looks from the outside.

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So I literally just dropped.
I mean, after the contract

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finished, obviously I dropped
everything.

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I was like, don't search for me.
I will just go and find myself.

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I will make myself happy
somehow.

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So I start searching and my
spiritual journey started right

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there, which has been I think
the biggest twist, the biggest

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pivot in my life so far.
And it brought all the latest

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differentiation in, in my in my
way, in my journey.

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My journey was not.
Supposed to be.

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It was not written to be like
that list in the beginning of

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it.
So I start entering the world of

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conscious entrepreneurship, as
we call it.

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We don't really have a very good
word for that, but predictably,

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people who want to do business,
but they want to do business

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that support either other
humans, the environment, or the

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evolution of humankind in
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And that's a new stream of bits.
Like it's relatively new.

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It's like 10-15 years that it
even exists as an identified

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stream of business.
Let's not call it like that.

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So it has all the incredible
aspects of being very fresh and

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very genuine and all of them a
little bit more tricky aspect.

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It's called like that that it
needs a lot of education people

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to even understand or like, what
do you mean conscious business?

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Like what does is what?
What's that?

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So I entered that quite early
and I was like back 2018-2019

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and we start holding spiritual
conferences, for example, one of

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the very.
The.

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First big ones was in Davos
during the World Olympic Forum.

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She was very unique and very
different and new for the world.

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Back then, like now, it's very
common.

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You have meditations and shamans
sprinkled everywhere.

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We probably kind of started
that, yes.

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And back then it was literally
very unknown, this entire more

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mindful, more conscious
business.

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But it was incredible to see the
response of people in such a

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traditional business conference
because they really didn't want

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to leave our space.
They were like, that's the only

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space I'd feel like I'm a human
again.

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So they would stay around.
Of course, a lot of connections

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came out from there.
Yeah.

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That was a physical space, Yeah,
you know, during the the

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conference portal to the
conference.

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And that made me start this
entire journey into supporting

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this type of businesses and
merging my spiritual

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understanding from my own
journey.

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And what I saw that we might
want to alter a little bit the

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the way business is happening
right now because it's not

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really going really well then it
works, but it's how much we'd

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like to do the.
Continue doing what?

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We're doing, it's a huge
question mark right now and you

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can see it everywhere.
So I have been on that since the

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last 8-9 years in different
versions of course.

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But you can always say that I
really loved allowing people to

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understand that there is more
beautiful places in this in this

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life, either internal.
Places or external places so

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very beautiful properties or
verb between internal.

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States that you can get to and
just allow them to tap into

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that.
I believe there are two major

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aspects or factors at play into
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It's definitely trend as you say
1 was COVID because many people

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just sat for enough time looking
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Settling that they will start.
Thinking about their life.

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Before they were just running
around so they wouldn't.

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They would avoid thinking.
At all costs.

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But the second is also we have
an increasing amount of people

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who are becoming wealthy or
ultra wealthy.

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And the question changes after a
certain level of wealth because

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you actually stop needing to
chase anything.

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So you start on like wondering
what is this thing all about?

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Something internal changes.
So I think these two factors

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together because there's a very
big number of people who were

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never, they were not born in
money, but they're entering

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bigger money and that becomes in
a bigger scale.

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So these two together, I think
they're creating this trend that

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we see as people wondering like,
what is my personal why, why am

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I here?
What am I doing?

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How can I contribute more
positively to the world?

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I think it's a global
phenomenon.

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It is very understandable
because first of all, I don't

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believe there is one tool that
is better than the other.

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For me, all of those are tools,
just very different tools that

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will work for different people
for different reasons.

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So I am actually quite agnostic
in which tool you use.

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Some people will use sports as
their awakening and that will be

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their tool.
Some others will will use deep

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shamanic healing for example,
and that will be their tool.

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It doesn't really matter as long
as it gets you.

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It's supposed to get you.
Different people need different

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things.
The only thing is like some of

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them are more are stronger
tools.

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So they will literally
breakthrough as we call it to

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your current awareness.
And this sometimes it's

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difficult to happen through
simpler practices because it's

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just very concrete.
It's almost like a very thick

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layer there to usually where
plant medicine can help.

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But then again, there's only a
certain amount of times that you

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need to do that.
After that, it becomes more of

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an entertainment again because
we're just so good as human

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spaces.
To make everything into

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entertainment.
Instead of healing.

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So I like, I'm not against any
of the tools.

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I actually believe all of them
are amazing, and yet you have to

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really search.
Are you doing it because it's

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making you progress, or it has
just become another distraction

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that's from the outside, yeah.
You can continue.

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Of course, I mean, as long as it
is, you're doing it

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intentionally.
Everything can be and everything

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can be.
Even if it's.

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So you can go into a ceremony
and your mind is just not there

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and you're not present.
It's going to be exactly the

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same thing as going to the
church and your mind is not

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there and it's not present.
It's going to be the same thing

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with being with your partner and
you're not there and.

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Your mind is not present.
It will give.

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Exactly the same result and
nothing will change.

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You're just caught up to another
reality.

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So
look, let's not forget that when

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religions were established,
humanity was in a different

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stage.
That's 2000 years ago.

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We were not the same human
beings. 1000 years.

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We'll forget that It's, it's,
it's an organization that is

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becoming obsolete because it
needs to either upgrade our date

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or dissolve, right?
It's just, it's just old.

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It's just based on all their
needs of humanity.

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Though there are some needs that
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tribe that remains.
Being part of religion is mostly

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social right now.
It's not so much for believing

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in God anymore.
This has been removed the most

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for the most believers at least
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That's why people are moving to
spirituality.

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It's not so much of a
difference, it's just you really

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want to connect with something
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You just don't find it anymore
in the vessel of formalized

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religion.
So you search it somewhere else,

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but the need remains the same.
The container changes.

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Well, that definitely works when
it started getting established,

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right?
I think we're moving into a time

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that we are supposed to find our
own individuality and centre and

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our own unique connection
without teachers, gurus,

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spiritual leaders, you, you name
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I personally believe that even
politics are obsolete.

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It's actually again a very old
system that doesn't really apply

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to what we need right now, to
our needs.

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It's just their hanging power,
power structures, right?

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That we are just used to them.
Religion is another one for me.

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There's no real difference
between the two, but it will

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take some time.
Like it does take some time for

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a a large enough amount of human
beings trust that they don't

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need anybody to translate their
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To their own life, except from
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Some time space and some
alignment and it's valid enough

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to believe in it and trust it
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I that's an interesting question
because there have been waves

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that I observed.
There have been waves of people

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that there's this particular
times that many people seem to

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be awakening at the same time.
And then it kind of went down

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and there was another wave yet
again of another big set of

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people.
You can even see a little bit of

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where they are in the journey
and how they they act, they

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speak, they approach
prescriptuality according to the

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Wave.
They were awakening.

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Exactly.
We were laughing today with the

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dear dear friend collaborator
that like early stage

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spiritualities like crystals.
And Shamani heaving and and.

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And then late stage
spiritualities like coffee and

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cigarettes.
We're just.

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Happy because you go.
Back into everything is a

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ritual.
There is no there's just nothing

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in material life that's actually
bad or evil or toxic unless you

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make it be.
Yeah, for sure.

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And sometimes you do want to be
part of a try for some time.

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It is good to have like to
understand that it's covering a

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need and to not just believe
that this is the absolute truth

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and it will save your soul and
change your right like

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perspective.
Oh please.

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That's a.
Conversation.

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No problem at all.
Yeah, because it's marketing

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actually, that's exactly what
marketing does.

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Absolutely.
Yeah, it is.

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Because even if it has worked
for one person doesn't mean it

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will work for every person
exactly the same way.

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Of course there are principles
that in a big it will work for

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the majority of people as
pathway, right?

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But when somebody tells you that
they have the exact.

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If you just follow the exact
thing it will work.

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Naturally, it's marketing.
That's exactly how marketing

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works.
And most of that is like, it

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works for you, how do you know
it's going to work for me?

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And many times it actually
doesn't.

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I mean, he might, but it's not
by definition because he's a

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Pope.
He does,

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actually, to tell you the truth.
For me, business is one of the

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most potent awakening tools we
have in our hands in modern

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society.
To tell you the truth, because

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business will show you your
shadows.

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Your hidden the hidden parts.
What you're good at or you're

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not so good at.
And if you're willing, you can

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work on them because they will
really bring it to your face.

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Like there's no hiding it would
really bring it in front of you.

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So I love using business as my
tool for, for self development

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and scope like that.
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the same because you can really
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there are tools to work with it
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Yeah.
And I have seen again, again

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that your business can, can be
less great than you are for

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external circumstances, but it
cannot become better than you

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are.
So the, the founder needs to

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grow their capacity into who
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follows that journey afterwards.
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very related.
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I don't even know how why we
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What I have observed from great
leaders that have been either

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working with or for before, even
though sometimes they don't

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identify a spiritual, the way
they act, they're clearly

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connected to something that
inform them before informs

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others for the steps they're
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I mean, in the end, what?
What is?

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Spirituality if if.
Not that it's, it's not.

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What you perform is this deeper
connection.

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The intrusion plays a huge role.
I mean, we all have it.

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You just need to listen to it so
it talks a little bit louder to

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you.
It's almost like the more you

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listen to it, the more it's
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If you shut down a small child a
couple of times, they will stop

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telling me their, your, their
secrets because they're like,

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well, you're not going to listen
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But if you start listening, they
still tell you more and more and

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more, and at some point there's
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Question mark, it's like that's
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It's the same.
I have seen the same with

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intuition.
Like we always kind of know if

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we listen, we know each one of
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We just rationalize it, believe
it's not going to be like that,

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are afraid of it because it's
very far away from what looks

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logical.
We alter it, but deep inside we

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know.
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that in the future, we're like,
OK, I knew that.

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Sure you did.
No.

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Why didn't?
You follow though.

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Time and silence.
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How would you listen to anybody
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Time to speak and you will stay
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It's the same thing.
And literally get some time

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alone with yourself to listen to
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Like how else will it happen?
We are running around all the

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time.
We're always with somebody

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looking at something, consuming
content.

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There's always input.
Input it like it needs a little

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bit of time without external
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so you can hear your own.
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Nature can accelerate that a
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like I believe that nature is.
Practically our Co Co

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facilitator in the retreats that
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It's an interesting.
It's an interesting.

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Story It started as an.
Experiment.

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And it started in the
counterpart of what I was

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saying, not working in the
conference's world, especially

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when it starts having more
knowledge about how the human

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body works in an optimal way.
And what we do in conferences is

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literally against everything
that we know about the human

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body.
So you're sitting down 8 to 10

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hours listening to a lot of
different information one after

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the other.
In.

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Purely poorly acclimatized your
room, usually with a lot of

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people around you.
Then you just go out, have

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finger food, drinks, sleep very
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You're supposed to do the same
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It's like, it's like it's the
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It's the worst thing you can.
You can think about it doesn't.

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Make sense at all.
So I was wondering is like is

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that the only way or is just the
way we we're used to?

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Is there another way to create
the business results we want

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without this maltreatment of
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Human of the human being being
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So decided to make an
experiment, literally, I decided

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to bring entrepreneurs and
investors in the in the place I

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love the most, which is up on
the Alps, which has one of the

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cleanest energies that I know,
very crystalline energy.

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Not tell them who's going to be
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So they didn't have any
information.

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They just need to travel quite
far actually to get there, as it

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was an entire adventure to get
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We wouldn't talk business at
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We will just connect and see
what happens organically in the

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constellation.
And it just worked like magic.

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Like I was, I was literally I
was like, well, something is

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happening here because that's
beyond what I thought would be

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created.
First of all, people were just

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finding it somehow didn't even
know how they were finding it.

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Second, collaboration started
without me needing to hand hold

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them and businesses and they
hired each other.

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They flew each like an entire
thing after without needing

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anything or follow up.
It just happened.

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So I was like OK, we have what I
was believing it might work.

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It actually does work and it is
based on the some principles

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that we have distorted a lot in
in the modern world.

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One of those is trust, like we
are trying to skip or shortcut

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trust that doesn't work in
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It's one of the most fundamental
aspects.

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The problem is that usually the
test of the trust comes in the

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very end when the deal is
supposed to be done.

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And that's you have already lost
so much time, so many zoom

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calls, so many arrangement
lawyers like the the entire

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thing.
It's better to build the trust

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first because it's not going to
be built after.

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So that's what we do in the
experiences.

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We build the trust 1st and the
trust can be engineered

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interestingly enough, like if
you really breakdown what trust

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is, it's like you need to see
the person is in as many

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different situations as possible
and see how they behave

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practically.
So that's what happens because

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it's fully emerged in our
experience and the people are

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literally as if how they will be
behaving in real life.

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And I really, I am very
meticulous of them not allowing

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them to perform, not allowing
them to hide behind their usual

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masks.
So really come with

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authenticity.
It's very easy to see if

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somebody fits you because you
have seen a lot of faces of of

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them when they're strong, when
they're vulnerable, when they're

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offering to others, when they
are receiving something, when

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they're in the business
environment, when they're in

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personal environment.
Of course you cannot know

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everything with a person.
Of course it's like a four days

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event, but you can know way more
of what you would normally know

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from from such a time.
And also I just trust a lot in

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life and it will show you with
which people you're supposed to

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connect.
It just becomes crystal clear

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when you don't do it from a
mental perspective.

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You just see where there is a
real connection when it's a

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fabricated one because this
person is XYZ and has done an

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XYZ, right?
If you remove that, you can see

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when there's real trust and
connection.

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It is.
It's also a very pleasant

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experience in very beautiful
places around interesting

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people, right like.
Because this is a big.

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Aspect as well.
Second, many people do feel the

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connection with me as well.
So like we know that we are

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supposed to walk the path
together and there's a lot of

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people who that's one of the
reasons they're coming.

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Some of them are coming from
more specific opportunities as

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well, because one of the reasons
that I have start creating the

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experiences, that's the personal
reason is because when I see all

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of the callers of somebody, it's
very easy for me to know who to

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connect them with from my
network and who they fit with.

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So I do that after the
experience.

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Like I, I always say, like it's
not about the experience, the

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experience, just like the, the,
the Kickstarter, it's what

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happens after that is important
for us.

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So then I take over the
introductions and things happen.

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So many people find us when they
want to search more purposeful

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path, either investments or
collaborations or properties.

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So like when they're searching
for something more of their in

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their legacy or purpose driven
endeavors, usually they tend to

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find us right there.
So there's two big stages and

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now we are forming it actually
more like a menu so people can

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really decide what they need
more than having a one package.

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The the two biggest options is
participate in one of the

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experiences, which is usually
what I recommend first because

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then it just becomes clear.
If we are for you and you are

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for us, we just become crystal
clear.

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There's no doubt whatsoever.
And then they can opt to come

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into the club.
So become a member, which is

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practically, they get the
support that they get in this

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one time throughout the entire
year.

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So it's a very personalized
approach.

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We try to remove all overwhelm
and it's just like just knowing

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the person and supporting them
in what they need.

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Sometimes they will need more
business related introductions,

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for example.
Sometimes they will need more

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personal and spiritual support.
Because we're humans and things

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change, right?
Calibrate over time.

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So we'd like to be across the
entire range.

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Depends on what the person
really needs.

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And right now we're building A
next step that will be able to

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do the introductions away bigger
scale.

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But I cannot disclose.
Much of that right now, but.

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The next one is one I'm very
excited about because like I

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think I need to give a little
bit of context.

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So in all of our experience, I
tried to really read the latest

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energetics in the collective and
I'll and create something will

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allow us to unlock that because
I mean, we're working more with

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people.
Within the very.

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Forefront of innovation, of
social innovations, of spiritual

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innovation.
So they're always coming into

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the first barriers of how we're
progressing as humanity.

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So I really love to support that
layer.

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So it was sense like what is now
has become an inhibition that

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can work on and then unlock it.
Of course, way more people need

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to do it on the planet than
just.

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Our our, our bubble, right?
Obviously, but that's our part

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of the.
Contribution of course.

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So the the the next one, I'm
very excited because we're going

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in a very unconventional way
that I have never seen and in

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the retreat space and this is
real action with the land.

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So we're going to go back into
working with the four elements.

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And the first element is the
Earth.

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And we will literally bring
people back into connection with

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being service with the earth and
working with divine masculine in

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particular, being service with
the earth.

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And I have heard that so much
that people are really longing

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to get out of the computer and
just have their hands in the

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soil.
And I wasn't understanding

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exactly why this need was coming
up until very recently.

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And I realized that we have lost
the sequence of the chain

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between creating an action,
being services and body

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producing out of that and having
this production service back and

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closing the entire cycle.
This cycle has been broken.

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So we never get the completion.
We also don't understand where

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the resources are coming from.
It's like it's fragmented in our

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mentality.
Exactly.

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We also don't understand the
effort that it takes.

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So you become less grateful.
So we are trading comfort for

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gratitude right now in the
modern society.

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So we're going to bring people
to really do the traditional

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olive harvesting in Greece in
the time of the olive oil

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harvesting, of course, and they
will get their own.

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Olive oil, but I believe that
most of them have never done in

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their life and probably they
will never do again, which I

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believe will be very interesting
internal experience.

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Of what does it actually mean to
be in service?

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So the others will be in
different locations because

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we're going to go in different.
For different locations around

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the.
World to this year and 1:00 will

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be in California, which will be
about the air.

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And that will be very much about
the big question is science and

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spirituality.
Two different things.

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So we're actually going to be
collaborating with the scientist

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who's going to be bringing the
subject to the forefront.

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And he's also working with
spiritual healing and right

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psychedelic research and he's a
medical doctor.

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So he has an interesting
combination of aspects he has

462
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:22,640
been working on himself.
Then the fire element will be in

463
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,640
Brazil and the water element
would be in Indonesia.

464
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,160
So we don't know yet if Brazil
will be summer, Indonesia will

465
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,880
be autumn or Vista versa, but it
will be something of that.

466
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,440
We are finalizing the details,
but Brazil will be very much

467
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,880
about aliveness.
For me, Brazil is one of the

468
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:39,480
few.
Countries in the in the.

469
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,320
World that they haven't.
Forgotten how to be?

470
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:48,240
Truly alive and enjoy life and
we are forgetting it like very.

471
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,080
Fast in Europe and the.
US, they can start.

472
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:54,440
Becoming a little bit like.
Well, yeah, it's nice, but.

473
00:33:55,200 --> 00:34:18,080
Doesn't really feel.
It's definitely more potent than

474
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,880
in other places in Europe, but I
think nobody can bits the

475
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:27,159
cariocas on that.
They're they're just masters in

476
00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:30,400
in that aspect.
Yeah, they don't even need

477
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,520
anything to be happy.
They just can just arrange a

478
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:37,600
little table in the backyard and
have the best time of their life

479
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:41,040
just laughing and talking and
connecting and without anything.

480
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,199
And that's.
I was a huge like.

481
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:45,960
Realization when I was living in
Brazil, it's like, how do you

482
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,800
how, how is that even possible?
Like you couldn't feel it.

483
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,480
It's it's palpable.
It doesn't need the external to

484
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,719
happen.
The external can be, but it's

485
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,719
not an indeed whatsoever, which
is really really interesting.

486
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:54,200
Oh, interesting.
Very true.

487
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,400
Have you seen the children?
How happy they are.

488
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:10,000
Yeah.
Absolutely.

489
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:15,000
That's clearly how it is.
And that's why I really, I love

490
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,080
in our experience, our
experience are different because

491
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,240
it's mostly about bringing
people back to the essence.

492
00:36:19,240 --> 00:36:20,720
It's they're not so
performative.

493
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,680
It's really about presence of
ethnicity and be where you are.

494
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:29,680
And when you do that for 24
hours, I mean, our experience go

495
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:33,400
longer, you start actually
having DMT releases natural

496
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:38,040
without anything.
Yeah, we have forgotten that.

497
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,760
We believe we need something
external to get into the state.

498
00:36:40,760 --> 00:37:12,690
We don't.
Of course.

499
00:37:23,490 --> 00:37:24,970
I can feel it.
I can feel it in your.

500
00:37:24,970 --> 00:37:27,330
In your field, interestingly
enough, you can feel when.

501
00:37:27,330 --> 00:37:29,250
Somebody has touched something
greater.

502
00:37:29,250 --> 00:37:33,000
There's there is less inherent
fear in their field.

503
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,280
Things might be happening, they
might be stressed, they might be

504
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,720
running external things might be
happening right because life.

505
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:50,350
But somehow inside in the core,
there's not so much fear, of

506
00:37:50,350 --> 00:37:52,550
course.
Yeah, because they don't come

507
00:37:52,550 --> 00:37:54,510
from the right.
Yeah, they don't come from the

508
00:37:54,510 --> 00:37:56,950
right intention, the right
starting point.

509
00:38:23,910 --> 00:38:27,230
That changes a lot.
That changed the game, yeah.

510
00:38:28,910 --> 00:38:32,430
Because there's way less things
that you will get into that you

511
00:38:32,430 --> 00:38:34,310
don't want to.
If you don't have.

512
00:38:34,310 --> 00:39:00,400
This fear.
That's something guaranteed.

513
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:28,080
Yeah, I think you can experience
it without knowing.

514
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,680
And we have forgotten this lost
art and we are trying to know

515
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,960
everything.
But knowing is, I mean, even if

516
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,400
we know it's just too little for
the human experience.

517
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:42,240
We are not satisfied.
It's not a satisfied experience

518
00:39:42,240 --> 00:39:45,960
to know your brain only it's
it's not enough for the human

519
00:39:45,960 --> 00:40:03,360
being.
Yes and no.

520
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:09,320
I mean, of course the way that
the experience are designed to

521
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,760
even go through our filters.
Usually you are already in the

522
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:16,680
right place.
Because there is very particular

523
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:20,720
type of person that actually can
hold themselves correct in the

524
00:40:20,720 --> 00:40:22,400
unknown.
And that's one of the biggest

525
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,080
factors.
And there are people who are

526
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:28,200
self LED with self LED people
allowing them to be authentic

527
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,720
and being there to create the
container.

528
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,280
Not too many things can go wrong
because actually every anybody

529
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,760
can pivot the experience towards
a different direction if they

530
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:41,360
feel that something is going
wrong and we give them this

531
00:40:41,360 --> 00:41:21,710
authority.
Yeah, Yeah.

532
00:41:21,790 --> 00:41:25,350
It makes a big difference.
And one of the most interesting

533
00:41:25,350 --> 00:41:28,630
findings that I also realized
after creating the experiences

534
00:41:28,630 --> 00:41:35,030
is that when you enter a group
that is not scheduled.

535
00:41:35,430 --> 00:41:36,750
So it's not like, OK, we do
that.

536
00:41:36,750 --> 00:41:40,160
It's at 7:00 that updated there
and it's literally like an

537
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,560
invitation to Co create the
entire day together with others.

538
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,800
First of all, you start paying
attention more so you start

539
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,600
really putting your best of the
efforts and that creates usually

540
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,840
a very positive outcome.
So nobody's like well, yeah,

541
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:57,760
let's just follow along.
And it's like, oh, I'm involved

542
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,520
in this.
This is already positive

543
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,840
behavior.
Second, it will show you how

544
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:06,560
much you are ready for the
world, the way you want to lead

545
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,080
because the way you do.
Anything is the way you do

546
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,600
everything.
So if you're trying to hide

547
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:13,320
behind the different.
People it will show in the

548
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,480
group.
If you are taking the right lady

549
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,080
will show in the group and all
of that you can work on if you

550
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,360
want to, of course.
So it's all a lot about

551
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:26,480
self-awareness, but also you're
really invited to, to take it

552
00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:31,280
like to contribute, to bring
your qualities into the group.

553
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,000
And what I found out, which was
very surprising, is that this is

554
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,600
the best business card.
Because when you do that from

555
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:43,600
the real deep excitement for
sharing, not because I have to

556
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,360
because we have scheduled or
because I'm supposed to or

557
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,200
whatever.
It's like I, the group is asking

558
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,280
it.
That's my part now.

559
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,320
It's my part to take the stage.
It's my part to lead and comes

560
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:58,680
as a collective wanting.
It doesn't come as an linguistic

561
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,240
wanting.
You share it from such a deep

562
00:43:01,240 --> 00:43:05,120
place of actually pure spiritual
sacred fire energy.

563
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,960
The people remember you because
the most authentic.

564
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:25,150
You
sure?

565
00:43:52,870 --> 00:43:55,030
Exactly.
It's a, it's a mastermind

566
00:43:55,030 --> 00:43:56,670
approach.
Let's cut like that.

567
00:43:56,670 --> 00:44:00,070
Even though we've used more than
the mind, but it's more of I, I

568
00:44:00,070 --> 00:44:03,990
realized that quite early, like
I was having a difficulty to

569
00:44:04,310 --> 00:44:05,670
what we were discussing in the
beginning.

570
00:44:05,670 --> 00:44:08,750
Like I have used some tools that
worked greatly for me.

571
00:44:09,190 --> 00:44:11,710
I could never really assume that
these are the tools that you

572
00:44:11,710 --> 00:44:15,000
were supposed to work on.
It really felt off since the

573
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,200
very beginning of my journey.
So I was like, what am I

574
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:20,240
supposed to teach them?
Like if they ask what was your

575
00:44:20,240 --> 00:44:22,760
journey, I'm happy to share, of
course.

576
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:27,200
But teaching them what I
learned, it always felt off.

577
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,600
And then I started like looking
at my clients.

578
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:34,120
I started realizing that, well,
I might have taken more time in

579
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:40,880
the beginning of my my life to
explore cultures and to to

580
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:44,120
really be outside and living
life very actively, but they

581
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:47,840
have dedicated a lot of time to
master other parts of life.

582
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:52,760
So am I better or each one of us
have just unlocked completely

583
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,720
different.
So why don't we just share what

584
00:44:55,720 --> 00:45:00,280
you have unlocked and have the
wisdom be among and remove also

585
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,160
this layer of there's the master
and the student.

586
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,840
Like who's the master?
Who's like you might be a master

587
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,960
here and student there in
different aspects of your life.

588
00:45:10,920 --> 00:46:20,680
So we work with that energetic.
Exactly.

589
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:26,280
And I personally, I have a lot
of things that I see in the way

590
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:29,800
our industry works that I'm
like, are we really going in

591
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,800
this direction?
And one of those is the just

592
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:34,960
eternal healing and self
development.

593
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,360
And you're never healed enough
to do anything in the world.

594
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,160
And like actually doesn't
exactly work like that.

595
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,800
You heal one part, you go and
test it out of the world with

596
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:45,640
action.
Then you get the feedback, you

597
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,560
see where you still have things
to work on.

598
00:46:48,720 --> 00:46:50,760
And then you test that.
And then you come back and

599
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:55,520
there's this dance and the
entire retreats industry has

600
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,920
started becoming as of well, you
haven't healed enough.

601
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,520
Come to the next because then
you're going to be.

602
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:04,320
Healed and I.
You're not for you.

603
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:07,280
You're not good enough yet.
You need a little bit more and

604
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:34,560
exactly.
Things like, I don't know why I

605
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:36,000
don't think we need that
anymore.

606
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,040
We just like the world hasn't
caught up with that.

607
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:41,000
Like our business model doesn't
need to be based on fear

608
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,400
anymore.
People are very excited to pay

609
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,040
for things that they love as
well.

610
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:46,960
They don't need to be.
Afraid of something?

611
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,560
So why don't?
We move into the motivation

612
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:52,280
instead of the manipulation
aspect of of.

613
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,120
Our economy, iconic, will not go
to break.

614
00:47:55,240 --> 00:47:58,080
People will buy things but
because they love them, but

615
00:47:58,080 --> 00:47:59,320
because they feel not good
enough.

616
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:47,750
That's a different energy.
It's a very thin line, right?

617
00:48:47,750 --> 00:48:50,430
Like I do believe that some of
the people are supposed to be

618
00:48:50,430 --> 00:48:53,510
healers in this life and they
also need to have a living.

619
00:48:53,670 --> 00:48:59,910
So it's a very thin line there.
But it the way it happens,

620
00:48:59,910 --> 00:49:05,270
usually when some a wave starts,
it's more pure and then it

621
00:49:05,270 --> 00:49:08,190
starts getting corrupted and
then we create the next version.

622
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:11,360
So that's what I believe it's
happening right now, actually,

623
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:17,360
yeah, it happens always NF TS.
I think it's a great example.

624
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:22,800
Exactly.
I was.

625
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:24,400
I was.
Observing that with NF TS I was

626
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:28,240
like.
How did we took such a genuine

627
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:32,960
care about supporting creators
and we put make it such a cheap

628
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,960
marketing so fast.
It was so fast the way we

629
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:39,600
cheapened it.
I was like, whoa, OK, we're

630
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:51,050
really good and bad.
Yeah, but and, and a new version

631
00:49:51,050 --> 00:49:53,770
will come that will again be
more pure in the beginning and

632
00:49:53,770 --> 00:49:56,410
then down the line and again and
again and again.

633
00:50:06,910 --> 00:50:15,770
Yeah.
Most of the time it's better to

634
00:50:15,770 --> 00:50:20,600
just talk to me first.
So I tried to do all the the

635
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:23,440
exploration calls for the ones
who want to join either the club

636
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:26,880
or the experiences and also help
them with their intention

637
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,280
because intention is very
powerful because before they

638
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:33,000
enter, so they can just text me
on LinkedIn and we're always

639
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:36,080
responding either me or somebody
on my team and they pass on.

640
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:40,440
If there's something I need to
attend to my it's the same name

641
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:44,280
idea course you will, you will
find me or in my website

642
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:48,560
ideacourse.com that you can just
connect with me and send me an

643
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:51,040
e-mail your interest and we will
take it from there.

644
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:54,960
We try to keep processes quite
simple and have a direct contact

645
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:58,200
to see if it's a good fit and
from there on we can share more

646
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:01,040
of the options that we have
according to what the person is

647
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:15,840
all about.
So this for the entire 2026, we

648
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:19,520
will have like 4 experiences.
Autumn is now the ones coming up

649
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:22,400
in Greece, then it will be
California, Brazil and

650
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,480
Indonesia.
And all of them will be very

651
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:26,880
unique.
And the spaces are, I'm just

652
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:28,960
very excited for the spaces
they're going to be hosting us

653
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:32,520
because they're very different
quality of the traditional

654
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:36,160
retreat centers to just have a
complete and different depth of,

655
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:40,160
of energetics because they've
been there for many years with

656
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:44,560
their owners really fostering
the land for 3050 plus years.

657
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,040
It's just a different, a
different gravity.

658
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:50,000
To tell you the truth, I don't
plan.

659
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:53,960
I plan when I get the signal of
what is the new vibration that

660
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:57,960
we are supposed to offer.
There will be next experiences,

661
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,800
but I will only know when I know
and then I announce them.

662
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:05,080
So I don't just copy paste, I
just see what is the new

663
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,600
vibration.
But our goal is really to to

664
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:13,640
keep repeating the the places
that we feel that the right fate

665
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:18,040
and also to enable some of those
to get into the hands of a new

666
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:21,200
owner because some of them are
in the stages they need to

667
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:23,000
transition.
Their owners are getting older.

668
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,920
So we would love and we
highlight that already in our

669
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:30,640
experiences to have people who
are more conscious picking them

670
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:35,640
up because that's how they have
been happening on exact to stay

671
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:37,960
that way, to stay pure, to stay
how they are.

672
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:42,200
And we will also be able to
support the new owners into the

673
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:44,920
management and the business
model further on.

674
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:48,320
So take a little bit of the
heavyweight of picking up a very

675
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:52,960
large estate in a foreign
country which can very much have

676
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,400
some.
Very down to earth, real world

677
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:58,840
difficulties when you're
considering such a purchase.

678
00:53:00,240 --> 00:53:02,320
Absolutely.
You need a team, you need things

679
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:06,080
to manage like you need those,
so we're happy to.

680
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:08,720
Support on that.
So that's our bigger plan.

681
00:53:08,720 --> 00:53:11,560
So it's like literally having
these locations around the world

682
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:15,640
but not so much of us buying
them and copy pasting the same

683
00:53:15,720 --> 00:53:20,160
branding, but more of creating
literally a network of owners

684
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:23,600
who are looking at the same
future together and support them

685
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:54,080
in the way we can.
Yeah, absolutely.

686
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:58,360
That's beautiful.
Yeah, Greece still has holds.

687
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:03,440
A little bit of this, like it's
not lost this quality of of the

688
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:23,200
depth of the ancient times.
Exactly.

689
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:33,160
Yeah.
It's I love this place.

690
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:35,840
It's a good like you have.
Your entire microcosmos around

691
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:38,000
and if you want you can eat only
local like.

692
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,240
And we do that actually in all
of our experiences because it's

693
00:54:40,240 --> 00:54:43,000
possible.
And in Greece is relatively easy

694
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:52,840
actually to do that still, which
is surprising, still is

695
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:54,080
majestic.
Yeah.

696
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:57,320
I was also.
Surprised.

697
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:01,560
Like I was in awe actually, of
Sicily, I have to admit.

698
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:04,120
Like I was really surprised.
I didn't know what to expect.

699
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:17,840
It was an incredible experience.
Thank you.

700
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:20,200
It has been a pleasure actually,
to change.

701
00:55:35,720 --> 00:55:40,520
Hopefully anytime and let me
know also if you're coming in

702
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:41,880
this.
Direction It will be a pleasure

703
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:51,450
to get.
To meet you in person, we still

704
00:55:51,450 --> 00:55:53,970
have places.
We're actually considering

705
00:55:53,970 --> 00:55:56,850
moving it into mid November
because some of the guests are

706
00:55:56,850 --> 00:55:59,930
having complications.
So I can send you if you're

707
00:55:59,930 --> 00:56:01,850
interested in possibly joining
us.

708
00:56:02,530 --> 00:56:16,560
We still have fun spaces.
I hope you can you can make it

709
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:20,040
how I know this and sometimes
these things you can push them

710
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:20,920
or.
Not they.

711
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:22,320
Sometimes they.
Just take the time they're

712
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:35,570
supposed to take.
Interesting.

713
00:56:35,650 --> 00:56:39,290
Yeah, yes, it's, it's exactly
like that.

714
00:56:39,650 --> 00:56:42,490
I would love to see you to see
the the one in Greece as well.

715
00:56:42,490 --> 00:56:44,690
It's a very it's a very
particular space.

716
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:55,000
Has been a pleasure.
Thank you, Arthur.

717
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:55,240
Bye.