#11 - Responsibility, Energy Efficiency & Purpose with Clare Conroy

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Hello and welcome to the
Building Psychology Potty where

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we talk about better buildings
to live and breathe in.

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Today my guest is Claire Conroy.
Claire works for 35 S down in

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Victor Harbour, down on the
Flurio Peninsula.

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Down in the Flurio Peninsula.
Try saying that three times

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really fast in SA.
I met Claire last year at the

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Proclaimer Australia study
launch and then we followed that

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up with a presentation to 35 S
and some other local builders

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last year as well.
So thank you, Claire for coming

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on to the show to have a chat
about your your experience in

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the industry.
Thank you for having me.

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No worries.
So first question, how did you

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get into the construction
industry?

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Well I guess I'm I'm fairly new
to the construction industry.

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I've been working in the
construction industry for less

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than 12 months, but my entry was
as a homeowner.

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So I built a home in 2223 with
35 S building code and learnt an

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enormous amount through that
experience.

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As most people who are going
through that building process

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too and just formed such a good
relationship with the guys from

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35 S and at Handover, I was
showing them some nerdy

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spreadsheets that I've been
using throughout the

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construction process.
And, you know, we had a little

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bit of a joke about, Oh, well,
you know, maybe one day you

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should come and work for us.
And then about, I must have been

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about four or five months later,
I actually got this call saying,

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oh, you know how we used to joke
about that.

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Would you actually like to come
over?

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And it's been such a great move.
So I, it's not like anything

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that I've ever done before, but
there's like been a lot of

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transferable skills that I've
been able to bring and just

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really enjoying learning in this
new environment.

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That's so cool.
So you've had a complete career

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flip, a complete career change.
Absolutely.

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Yeah, that's so cool.
That's some of that's something

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that, you know, most of us only
dream of being able to go into a

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career that we really love, you
know, just by chance.

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Yeah, that's so cool.
Yeah.

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And to be able to do it without
any, I don't have any

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construction qualifications or
design qualifications.

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And so to be able to make that
move, you know, later in Korea

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without that that kind of
experience is, is really rare.

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So I'm really grateful for this
opportunity to to do that

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without having to, you know,
retrain and, and start, you

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know, right from the bottom and
work your way up.

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So yeah, it's been a lot of fun.
It's going well so far.

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So what role are you?
What role have you filled at 35

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S Building Co?
I've got a lot of roles.

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I'm, I'm not on nothing to do on
the tools.

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So it's a, it's a kind of a
project management, contract

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management role, kind of a
business system improvement

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role.
And I think that as a lot of

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people would appreciate in the,
the building industry, it's one

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thing to be able to build really
great houses.

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It's another thing to be able to
run a really great building

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business.
And so the team at 35 S are

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fantastic builders, but where I
guess I've come in is to support

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them in in, you know, managing a
great business and also

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delivering a really fantastic
client experience as well.

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I think we really believe that
building a house is like a real

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journey, a real investment of
time and effort.

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It's one of the most significant
decisions that's going to

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influence your life and your
family's life in big ways.

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And so we really want to make
that a really positive

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experience.
Yeah, that's so cool.

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Good on you.
Thank you.

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What?
What did you find like when you

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rocked up?
Brand new industry?

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Brand new job?
What was what?

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What have you found to be your
biggest challenges so far?

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Probably a fair bit of imposter
syndrome coming into the

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industry brand new, but I think
that that was probably a like a

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bigger fear than actually the
reality.

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I think that I've been able to
pick things up pretty quickly.

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But certainly there are
challenges, just like in any

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industry with the acronyms and
terminology that you don't know

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and having to get across these
different ways of working.

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But I think I've been, yeah,
pleasantly surprised for the

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most part about how quickly I've
been able to do that and the

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like, the strength of
relationships that I've been

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able to build.
So it's actually been relatively

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smooth so far.
Good.

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I'm glad to hear it.
I'm really glad to hear it.

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So you decided to move into this
industry after building your

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house.
So yeah, that that process, was

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it construction that you liked
or was it the way that company

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did their construction?
Like what?

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What was it that actually
sparked your interest in this?

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I guess a few things.
So I was previously living in

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Canberra for about 20 years and
so I had gotten to see the work

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of Jenny Edwards Lighthouse
Architecture and Science and

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really admire the work that they
did, went along to Sustainable

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House Day and seen their open
homes, et cetera.

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And so it was really influenced
and, you know, thought that

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would be a really positive goal
was to, I would love to build a

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house and build a house come up
with that intention and with

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those values at the core.
So I was lucky enough to do that

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in 2223.
And so I guess I enjoyed like

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lots of aspects of the process,
the the design, the

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construction, but also I think
building is such a relationship

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business and so really enjoyed
forming that relationship with

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the team.
And I love the blend in

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construction design and
construction of like creativity

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and problem solving, like
creativity and science is this

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real nice, nice blend.
So I think that I don't know

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tick the boxes for me
intellectually to be able to

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play and and learn in those in
those ways.

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Yeah, yeah.
And 35 S they build high

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performing homes, do they?
Yeah.

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I mean we've done a range of
range of homes, but certainly

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have an interest in in high
performance homes.

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And so that was one of the
things that attracted me to

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working with them was that they
had had some experience using,

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you know, high performance
products and and doing that kind

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of work.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That's awesome.
And this all inspired you to

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start your mailing list.
So you're sharing the, yeah,

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sharing the education, which has
been so great because I am

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learning so much from, from your
huge letters, honestly.

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Thank you.
And getting some really cool

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resources.
So tell us a bit about the

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Learning and Sharing mailing
list.

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Yeah, so it's, it's called like
the the build notebook.

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And it's this idea about kind
of, yeah, just sharing a a

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fortnightly capture of what I'm
learning along the way.

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And I guess there are you were a
significant inspiration for this

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in in sharing your learning as
you embarked on your new study.

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And what I really liked about
that is that he like you clearly

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have a lot of expertise in
industry, but you're doing

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something new.
And so you're not claiming to be

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an expert in this area.
And it's just this, this

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practice of kind of learning in
public.

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And I think that that idea of
learning in public is a value

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that I hold really.
Yeah, like it's really kind of

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central to, to how I like to
show up.

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My, my previous background was
in kind of HR and leadership

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development.
And I, I just think that that

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that learning is such a great
practice to do.

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And, you know, I, I think about
the work that I want to do

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ensure that it's like we're 35 S
and the impact I want to make

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there.
But like, like you, I want to

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have a bigger impact beyond the
direct kind of work that I'm

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doing today, today.
And I think just if, if, what I

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learn along the way, if I can
share that with others and, and

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makes a little bit of a impact
on their project, then that's

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great.
I think that it's, yeah, we all

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have a kind of a responsibility
to, to think about how we can

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uplift the the industry as a
whole because I don't know,

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Australia dates better houses.
It sure does.

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It sure does.
And the more I learn, the more I

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learn, the more I realise I
don't know.

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And the more I learn I realise
that.

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Holy.
Smokes Australian houses have

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got so far to go.
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I think and what I'm seeing
like, and obviously you've been

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in the industry much longer than
I have, but I just think there's

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just this massive acceleration
happening in terms of learning

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around, you know, high
performance and healthy homes.

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Like, you know, to think where
we were two years, five years

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ago, like it's just worlds
apart.

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And, and what I'm really liking
is how the learning seems to be

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coming from all parts of the
industry.

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It's not like there's some kind
of innovation lab in some

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institution and it's kind of
filtering down.

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I'm learning so much from just
what other builders are figuring

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out on site and there's
innovation happening there.

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And I from what I say, I reckon
there's more innovation in kind

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of performance detail in
happening from builders than it

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is from designers.
And it's feeding back that way.

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And then new products are coming
on the market and then you have

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kind of some research happening
as well.

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And so it, it, it's, it's
definitely not a kind of a

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linear flow of, you know, like
innovation.

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It's, it's really coming and
from, from all sectors.

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And so that's why I think the
sharing is so important because

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you can like it, it goes all
over the place that and I think

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we're going to get better
outcomes when everyone is is

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taking that kind of expansive
view and and thinking about all,

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all of the things that they can
learn in all of the places.

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Yeah, IA 100% agree.
I think that if we waited for

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policy and, you know, the the
upper levels of, you know, the

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the powers that be, if we wait
for them, we'll be waiting

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forever.
So the innovation that is coming

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from homeowners and from
builders, yeah, you know,

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differentiating builders,
differentiating themselves from

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other builders to, you know,
just deliver a, a higher level

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of product in this highly price
competitive industry.

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Yeah, there are steel builders
who are.

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They're differentiating
themselves based on those sorts

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of performance details and
attentions to detail.

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Mm, hmm.
Yeah, absolutely.

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And minus yeah.
And I just think that there's, I

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mean, maybe it's like a little
bit woo woo, but I think there's

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so much that more that goes into
a house than just the, you know,

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construction methodology.
There's a real kind of energy

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and intention that comes into a
house.

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And I think that you're working
with builders and with a team

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that I guess has that care and
intention and commitment to

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quality that's gonna infuse the
the house in like a a range of

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both tangible and intangible
ways.

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So yeah, totally on board.
Yeah, Yeah.

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Couldn't agree more.
So you're a woman, I'm a woman.

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What has been your experience as
a woman in this construction

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industry?
It's quite topical at the

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moment.
In particular, this women in

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industry is ramping up at the
moment.

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There's more women going into
trades and more and more women

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being found on construction
sites.

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So particularly as you came in
without any construction

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experience, what's your
experience been like?

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Well, I was pretty nervous about
building my house and doing it

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as a single woman and embarking
on that journey because you see

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these stories I like this was AI
was kind of doing this by 2122

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when there was that whole COVID,
you know, storm happening and it

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was almost every day you'd hop
on a news website and there's

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another builder collapsing.
There's just like these stories

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like the TikTok site inspector
guy, you know, with all of

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these, like all of these kind of
conflict in the construction

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industry.
And so I was quite nervous about

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how it might go, both because I
didn't have any, you know,

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experience and as a woman as
well.

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But I think that's something
that I was pleasantly surprised

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by working with 35 S is that
that was like never an issue.

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And that's kind of carried
through to all the trades they

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work through.
I think that just having those

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values of just like being decent
humans, actually it is it's

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really important and really
central to to their business.

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And then like the other thing is
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field, elevate community as
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So I've gotten to see and hear
from a lot of builders in

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through that platform.
And again, was really pleasantly

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surprised by like, oh, there are
some really good guys and, and

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women in this industry and I
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welcoming in, in that respect.
So I think it's probably for me,

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it's about just kind of like
finding good people and like

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they are there and, and making
connections too.

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And I think that there are,
there are some women who are

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doing fantastic stuff in the
industry and women that I really

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look to like you and Amelia Lee
and Jenny Edwards and Sarah

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Lebner and like all of these
people who have really

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influenced me in building my own
home.

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And I think are just really
positive role models for the way

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that I kind of, I guess women
can kind of show up and

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contribute and add value in this
industry.

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So I, yeah, so far I've found it
really positive today.

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And I know that that's not the
experience and probably the

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onsite experience is can be
quite different for women, I

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imagine.
But I think I definitely feel

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like there's a shift happening
and I would love to see more

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women in construction and women
connecting with other women in

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the in the sector to make it a
really positive industry for for

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all.
Yeah, yeah, I'm the same.

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I have not had a single negative
experience with any

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professionals in this industry
or any any anyone on site

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either.
So I am so happy about that.

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And yeah, I just, I feel nothing
but sort of positive towards the

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industry as a whole.
I have no, no resentment, which

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is really good.
Absolutely, yeah.

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Diversity definitely brings
strength, right?

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And I think in, in all
organizations, not just in

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construction.
So I think that, yeah, different

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kind of skill sets and mindsets,
perspectives, values can only

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enhance the, the industry.
And I think one of the things

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that Amelia talks about, which
is, is really interesting that

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when it comes to design and
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there's often women who are
making a lot of those decisions.

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So I think having in, in, in
construction, if you've got

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women on your team who, who are
kind of, yeah, like bringing a

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different perspective, perhaps a
different way of relating to

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clients, like I, I think that's
only going to to a belly.

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Yeah, yeah, 100% agree.
So as someone who is always

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learning in this industry, what
do you think the knowledge gaps

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are?
Or misconceptions around

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construction and energy
efficiency that you think that

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anyone listening might might
should be aware of?

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Oh wow, where to start that more
expensive equals better?

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I think that that's probably a
big, you know, misconception.

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The more I spend on my house,
the better it's going to be the

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yeah, I think that there's
probably, or like that it has to

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be complicated, or that it's,
yeah, that it's expensive or

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that it's inaccessible or that
it's unnecessary.

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Like it's very necessary to give
some thought.

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And so if you ask people like if
they care about energy

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efficiency, like some would say
like, no, not really.

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You know, I'm just going to have
my house in solar panels and

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it'll be fine.
But if you said to people like

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do you care about having a house
that it feels comfortable or

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that it is healthy to live in or
is not going to make you or your

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family sick, I think might as
well say, yeah, actually I, I, I

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want that very much.
So where am I going with this?

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I think it's just the, the, the,
some of the, the misconceptions

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are that it's this like extra
luxurious add on.

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But really it's, it's something
that can be integrated and

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integrated in fairly simple
ways.

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So certainly there's a lot of
complexity in the science, but

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there's also some really simple
principles that I think are are

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worth understanding.
Yeah.

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Yeah, I think that I know in my
previous job, we, we did energy

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efficiency assessments and I
actually had people call me up

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and say to me, this house is not
comfortable.

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Why isn't it comfortable when
they've gone through the

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building code energy efficiency
compliance process?

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And I think that I think 1 the
from my perspective, one

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misconception is that the
building code means that you'll

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have an energy efficient house.
Doesn't mean yeah.

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And secondly, the other
misconception or not

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misconception, but mistake, I
guess that I think people make

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is not thinking about how
they're going to feel once

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they're in the house.
They're thinking about how it's

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going to look and entertaining
their friends on a Saturday

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afternoon in the outdoor area.
And that's that's a massive

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priority because that affects
how you feel in your house is

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how you move in.
But in as far as the Peace of

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Mind that comes along with
comfort and health, I don't

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think that that is integrated
into people's thought process as

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much as it should be or needs to
be at the start.

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Totally agree.
I think that's a big learning

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for me that I, I probably over
kind of indexed on the, on the

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energy efficient thing, energy
efficiency thing because it's,

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it's the thing that's most
prevalent in public and there's

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a star rating and there's a, you
know, the, so that's what that

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was certainly my, my focus when,
when you're thinking about like

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a high performance building that
the energy efficiency was front

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of mine.
But one of the things I don't

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think I quite, quite right in my
build is that you've got all of

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these levers to pull around like
energy efficiency and like an

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air tightness and you know, and
like condensation management,

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etcetera.
Like there, you can't kind of

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just do 1 without the other.
There's a real kind of system

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that needs to be.
And I know that you've posted

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and spoken about this a lot that
you, you need to kind of

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consider that, that, that system
holistically.

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So I think that's probably one
of the misconceptions that, like

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you said that, you know, I, I
get a decent energy rating and

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everything will be fine.
No, actually, there are a whole

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range of things that you need to
consider both in design and in

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construction.
And they really need to work

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together.
And that's why having like a

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good team is so important.
And, and, and just really taking

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the time to, to learn about how
all of those things work in

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conjunction.
And because if you overemphasize

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1, you could be unintentionally
causing compromises somewhere

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I actually went into a house

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that I, I did the energy
assessment for this house and

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then I met, I actually got to go
inside it just by pure chance

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and I remembered it and I tell
the story a lot because this is

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one of the things that spurred
me on during my like earlier

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years in this industry to go
into this high performance

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space.
So I've done this energy

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assessment.
And we'd use an alternative

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solution because another massive
misconception that people have

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in building a house is that the
only way to get through the

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building, the building code,
energy efficiency requirements

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is using a star rating.
There are, there are in the

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particularly in the older
building codes, There are, there

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are alternative solutions that
do not equal star rating

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performance.
So we use an alternative

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solution on this house.
And I remembered this particular

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space in the house where there
was a window overlooking the

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pool and there was a bench.
And in the plans that I had

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assessed, the window was above
the bench level.

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It stopped at the bench level
and you could just see over into

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the pool.
And then when I went into the

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house, the window had been taken
all the way to the ground.

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So it had been extended down
about 900 millimeters to the

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ground because the homeowners
decided they wanted floor to

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ceiling blazing and and that
looked fantastic.

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But the knock on effect of that
is a massive amount more heat

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loss, massive amount more heat
gain and probably a lot less

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comfort in that in that space.
And that was leading on to like

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the main living space as well.
So just, yeah, just all of

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those, all of those little
things that get changed on site.

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And I don't even think when I
mentioned it to the builder, he

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didn't even know.
I said, did you get an amendment

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on on your energy assessment for
this?

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And it looked at me like, no,
how did I do that?

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Yeah.
And you know, that may have made

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the difference between passing
and not passing the building

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code, because that was a big
change.

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Yeah, that's huge.
And I think that this is where

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good design can really come into
play, especially around glazing

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and natural light.
I think that when it comes to

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like optimizing your your home
and getting best performance and

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best outcome generally, like
glazing is such an important one

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to consider and it has a massive
impact on the feel of the house

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and the natural light, but also
obviously on the, the energy

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efficiency and cross
ventilation.

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And so I think that like that's
something that's really worth

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working closely with because it
doesn't like sometimes you don't

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need more glazing in order to
get, you know, better natural

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light or a great view.
You can really transform the the

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feel of the space and the
function by like putting windows

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in good spots and, and making
them operate in in ways that

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that work well.
So yeah, that's yeah, I think

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that's overglazing is a massive
problem and it probably doesn't

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need to be so bad if people just
thought more intentionally about

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where their windows go. 100%
because windows are expensive

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and bigger the windows, you
know, the better performance

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they need to be to keep the
energy efficiency of that house

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in check and more expensive they
get something that my old boss

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used to say was it costs, it
costs the same to put a window

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in the right place as it does to
put it in the wrong place.

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So this is all just about
playing with with orientation,

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with speed, you know, just
working with your sights,

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working with the sun and just
making sure that those openings

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are in optimal places.
And knowing that that even

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matters.
Knowing even knowing that the

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sun moving across the sky makes
a difference to the heat that

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comes into your house.
Like, I don't actually think

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that occurs to some people.
Yeah.

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And it's hard to get a handle
on.

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Yeah, it's hard, really hard to
get a handle on like with a like

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when you're not in the house,
like how the sun moves.

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And something that I've really
noticed here and that that

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actually on a lot of my like
even like my Southwestern

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windows, like in summer when
you're actually getting quite a

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bit of gain through through
those.

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So I think that's the other
thing that in a, in a climate

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that's changing, we're gonna
want a lot more flexibility in

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the homes that we're designing.
So it's, it's about having like

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flexible shading solutions and
all of these ways so that that

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we can I guess like use our
house and really respond like

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we're getting heat waves in late
March.

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So if you've designed your house
with, you know, overhangs that

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are great in January, in in
March, you're going to be

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getting a whole heap of solar
again that you don't want.

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And yeah, so having that like
that kind of flexibility in in

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design, I think is, is really
important as well.

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Yeah, for sure.
And another thing that I don't

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know is, is super well
understood is that you need to,

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you need to sail a house the way
you sail a ship.

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You need to actually open it up,
have adjustable shading based on

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the time of year, you know, have
windows that are openable based

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on when you know the prevailing
winds.

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You know, you actually have to
interact with your house in

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order to keep it comfortable.
It's not a set and forget

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situation unless you build a
certified passive house, but

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even then there's there are
certain things you need to do to

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keep it comfortable throughout
the, you know, the whole way

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through the year.
So yeah, having, having

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adjustable shading and things
like that are really, really

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important.
Yeah.

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So in your let's move to the
next step.

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Let's move on to the next
question.

454
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The perception around balancing
energy efficiency and

455
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:42,720
affordability can be tricky.
So in your experience, what

456
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,320
would your advice be for anyone
out there, whether it's

457
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:49,160
homeowner, builder, architect,
anyone who's looking to achieve

458
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,280
both of those things, what would
your advice be?

459
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:57,400
Build smaller, absolutely, and
that's your biggest lever that

460
00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,800
you've got to pull when you're
wanting to reduce costs but

461
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,720
maintain quality and
performance.

462
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:09,960
Build smaller and, and, and you
can you like that is very doable

463
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:14,480
with good design.
And so that yeah, that that

464
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:15,720
would be my, my number one
thing.

465
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,960
And then to think about like,
what are the three things?

466
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,320
Like you said, you know, it
costs as much, but the window in

467
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:25,280
the right spot as the the wrong
spot in terms of like the

468
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,920
orientation of your your home.
That doesn't cost any different.

469
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,000
Like you can have the same house
and just, you know, twist it

470
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,320
and, and that can have a big
impact on the the performance of

471
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,840
your home.
So yeah, build smaller and get

472
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,600
the orientation right.
And I, I think that those two

473
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:48,040
things will carry you a
significant way in, in getting a

474
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:52,520
great and affordable outcome.
Great answer.

475
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,560
So your career construction,
your career construction, your

476
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,360
construction career, where,
where do you want to take that?

477
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,600
That's such a good question and
I feel like I'm so new in it at

478
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,360
the moment.
So I'm still learning lots.

479
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,840
But I think that like my
previous work has been as a kind

480
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,160
of a coach and a trainer and
facilitator.

481
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:19,000
So it might be nice to to see
how I might be able to bring

482
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:20,480
more of that to the work that
I'm doing.

483
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:25,960
So I don't have a defined idea
yet, but I think that I want to

484
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,800
continue to support good people
to do great work.

485
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:35,120
And they're a great builders and
designers and homeowners and

486
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:39,280
people in the industry.
And yeah, finding ways that I

487
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:43,760
might be able to help elevate or
shine a light on or, you know,

488
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,520
contribute my, my activities in
some way to, to facilitate and

489
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,880
kind of amplify that work would
be great.

490
00:27:51,120 --> 00:27:54,840
I mean, I'm also keen to just
build some more houses too,

491
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,480
right?
So maybe even doing some my, you

492
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,120
know, certain development down
the track would be right.

493
00:28:01,120 --> 00:28:06,200
I'd love to be involved in
designing and building another

494
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:07,880
home.
Yeah, nice.

495
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:10,680
That's exciting.
I've never built a house before.

496
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,960
I've only ever lived in in
crappy houses that other people

497
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:15,280
have built, and they've all been
crappy.

498
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,600
Yeah, it's, I mean, it's a bit
of a wild ride, but it's it's,

499
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:23,680
it's pretty fun, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, I would love to do

500
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,600
it one day.
Yeah, I feel like it might be

501
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,320
like tattoos like that you once
you get one, then like you get

502
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:30,920
addicted to it and just want to
keep.

503
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:38,000
Doing Oh, there was something
else I had in my mind.

504
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,920
I wanted to I wanted to ask you
and it's gone.

505
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:46,680
What were you talking about?
You were saying about, Oh, I

506
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,760
think I was just going to say
about the learning what we were

507
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,000
talking earlier about
information sharing and your

508
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:58,120
newsletter and everything.
I think like Injury Builders who

509
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:03,760
I work for, Justin Digny is an
extremely generous person with

510
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,960
his knowledge.
So he will go and he'll go into

511
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,120
any building site and talk to
any builder about how to how to

512
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,360
do what he does.
And he was the first builder I

513
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,240
saw do that.
And since I joined Injury

514
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:19,560
Builders or Climber Shore three,
3 1/2 years ago, I cannot

515
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,160
believe it's been that long.
But since I joined Enduro

516
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,000
Builders, I have seen this
absolute groundswell.

517
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,760
There's been new podcasts,
there's been industry bodies

518
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,920
started up.
There's just been like Instagram

519
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:32,520
accounts going absolutely
bananas.

520
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,200
There is so much industry
sharing going on.

521
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,240
And I am just, I'm so encouraged
by it all.

522
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:44,880
And it's like we're all, we're
all in businesses, we're all out

523
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:51,040
to make profit and build, build
a good product, but we're also

524
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,880
out to help each other.
And I I'm really, really happy

525
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:59,200
to be part of it.
Yeah, I, I agree.

526
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:03,840
And I think that the idea that
holding onto knowledge and

527
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,840
expertise is important because
you need to like from a

528
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,240
competitive advantage point of
view, I think that that like

529
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,600
that that ship has sailed a
long, long time ago.

530
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,440
I think that what we're seeing
now is that there's a real

531
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:20,000
competitive advantage by by
sharing and being very public.

532
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:25,600
And I mean, I assume, like
Jackson probably wouldn't do all

533
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,240
of that stuff unless it actually
was good for his business as

534
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:32,760
well.
And yeah, it attracts people.

535
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:37,200
And the podcast that we've seen
is that I think builders and

536
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:42,000
designers who are doing this
learning and sharing are being

537
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,280
really clear in their values
that like they, it's an

538
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,920
opportunity for them to state
what they care about, to

539
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,360
demonstrate their expertise.
But probably more important than

540
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,280
demonstrating their expertise is
demonstrating a, a willingness

541
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,280
to learn and collaborate and
share.

542
00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:00,320
And I think like they're the
kind of values that people want

543
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,160
in, in their builder.
And so it's such a great way to

544
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:09,160
yeah, to, to, to see that and
kind of to get to know people

545
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,920
because when you're building a
house, like, like you're in a

546
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,720
long term relationship with this
builder, like the, the, the

547
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,880
building part might be, you
know, 12 to 18 months, but then

548
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:22,040
you've got a builder's warranty
for several years and decades

549
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,320
afterwards.
It's like you want to have a,

550
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,600
you want to trust this person,
you want to be able to

551
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,560
communicate with these people
and have that really, really

552
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:33,480
strong foundation.
So I think all of this, this

553
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:37,400
sharing is a really important
part, I guess of the build a

554
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,920
dating process, right?
Or the, you know, the industry

555
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,520
professional dating process in
that like you, you want to know

556
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:46,440
who these people are before you
give them so much money and

557
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,680
enter into this this
relationship that's going to

558
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:52,320
have a significant impact on
your wallet, your health.

559
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:56,520
Yeah, yeah, like psychology,
like a whole range of things.

560
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,400
So I'm I'm really encouraged by
it, but too.

561
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,960
Yeah, for sure that old saying
rising tide floats or boats.

562
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:07,520
And as we said earlier that we
can't wait for the the

563
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,160
legislation to push us.
It's all self driven.

564
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,960
All of this learning that we're
all of us are doing is all self

565
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,600
driven.
And yeah, it's, it's the

566
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,000
outcomes are, are really good
for Australian homes.

567
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:23,000
So Claire, you've got a little
idea, a little project in the

568
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,440
works.
What's that about?

569
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,800
Well, this is just kind of a
little seed of an idea, but

570
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,320
I've, one of the things that's
been actually really helpful for

571
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,600
me is in, in kind of getting
into construction and

572
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:38,200
understanding new terminology
and how the systems work is

573
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,160
actually using ChatGPT to
explain things in, in metaphor

574
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:42,640
for me.
So, you know, explaining how a

575
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,720
house wears a raincoat and, you
know, tries to keep warm.

576
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:50,760
And these kind of visual imagery
and, and metaphors are actually

577
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,120
really helpful for me for
understanding systems and it,

578
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,640
and it made me think about how
might we be able to, to use

579
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:02,200
story and really simple story
to, to help make these kind of

580
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:06,520
concepts more accessible.
And so I've got two young kids.

581
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,760
And so this idea about, you
know, writing about things like

582
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:16,920
orientation and insulation and
condensation in an accessible,

583
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:23,320
fun way for kids, I thought
could be, yeah, a fun idea to

584
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:28,480
help both children and adults
really understand these concepts

585
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:33,120
at a basic level.
So that it becomes just like so

586
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:38,120
second nature for my kids when
they're thinking about buying or

587
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,280
building house or even, you
know, looking at rentals just to

588
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:45,360
understand, oh, like how this is
oriented and which side the

589
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:46,840
window's on, it's going to make
sense.

590
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:50,880
And asking questions about how
is it insulated and what does

591
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:54,280
insulation actually do?
So that's my little project is

592
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,520
to think about writing some
drafts this year of some

593
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:02,760
children's books to explain, you
know, a handful of those core

594
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,080
building science principles.
That's a really good idea

595
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:13,560
because training for people, not
just builders and architects,

596
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:17,280
but people just general public,
there's no, there's not really

597
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,199
much information out there, but
specifically for builders and

598
00:34:20,199 --> 00:34:24,800
architects, there's no like TAFE
doesn't teach carpenters or

599
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:29,600
plumbers about airtightness or
about correct, like about about

600
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,360
moisture management and
architects.

601
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:36,000
Architecture school doesn't have
much focus on on building

602
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,560
performance either.
So somewhere along the line,

603
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:43,280
someone's got to point out to to
people who are gonna build

604
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:47,800
houses and design houses that or
live in houses that these things

605
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:49,440
matter.
And that's all of us.

606
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:56,679
And this whole journey of
understanding all of these, as

607
00:34:56,679 --> 00:34:59,160
we have mentioned already today,
it's all self driven.

608
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,600
But I think that most people do
have an experience of living or

609
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:04,200
being in different spaces,
right?

610
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,640
You'd be go, Oh yeah, that share
house that we lived in in like

611
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,600
here, it wasn't the sun in the
lounge room.

612
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,680
Amazing.
Or remember that, you know, that

613
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:13,480
holiday house that we went to is
all covered in mold in the

614
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,800
bathrooms.
Like people have experience of

615
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,920
of, you know, spaces that
function and feel good and and

616
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,320
healthy and those that don't.
And I guess it's about helping

617
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,840
them to kind of understand why.
And usually it's like it's

618
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:31,160
pretty basic and simple to
understand why it is most of the

619
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,760
time.
So I think if we can kind of tap

620
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:40,080
into the experience that people
do have and the feel and not

621
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:45,640
make it kind of too technical
and sciency, then yeah, I hope

622
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:46,760
that the general.
Understanding.

623
00:35:47,240 --> 00:35:49,880
Improves.
Yeah, they do teach it.

624
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,200
My kids have both had
assignments at school about

625
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,680
sustainable building.
You know, they've had to do

626
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,760
models and they've had to do
designs and they've had to say

627
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,320
what they're going to do to make
this, this sort of project

628
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:04,000
sustainable.
But mostly it's been focusing on

629
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:07,920
vegetable patches and solar
panels.

630
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,480
It hasn't necessarily been
focusing on on the actual house

631
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,240
itself.
Yeah.

632
00:36:13,240 --> 00:36:15,280
And so, yeah, the schools are
trying.

633
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,920
They are introducing these
concepts to kids in their

634
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:19,640
healthcare, science lessons or
whatever.

635
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:23,120
Yeah.
But I think that they're they're

636
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:28,200
they're still more more.
There's further to go in just

637
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:32,080
introducing the concepts to kids
and getting them to ask, sort of

638
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,520
think more critically about the
houses they're living in and why

639
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:40,600
the sun is, you know, beautiful
in this room or why that

640
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:45,200
bathroom is so moldy or why that
bedroom is so hot.

641
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,560
Yeah, and I think if you often
like to explain it to people

642
00:36:49,720 --> 00:36:53,080
using the metaphor of like
clothing layers, you know, like

643
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,760
woolen jumper and, you know, a
raincoat and stuff.

644
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:59,840
And if you said to most people
like, like, imagine wrapping

645
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,360
yourself in plastic and they
would care.

646
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,840
Oh yeah, like I'd be toasty
warm, but it kind of get pretty

647
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,360
gross pretty quickly.
And then you go, oh, so like,

648
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,120
why would be a good idea to wrap
a house in plastic then?

649
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,240
And people, Oh yeah, like, that
makes sense.

650
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,520
And so kind of knowing, you
know, that you're going to be

651
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,560
more comfortable when you're
wearing a woolen jumper and a

652
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,360
Gore Tex jacket.
So why wouldn't you?

653
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:25,160
You're going to be dry and warm.
So why wouldn't you try and kind

654
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:30,680
of emulate that that same build
up in a in a house as well?

655
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,200
Very good question.
If there is one thing you want

656
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,840
listeners to take away from your
journey today and your

657
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:46,240
experience, will that be Claire?
I think the key thing is that

658
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,200
building is such a huge
privilege.

659
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,920
It's a massive privilege for a
home owner to be able to build

660
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:57,480
their own home, but also I think
for designers and for builders,

661
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:02,920
like what an enormous privilege
that we have to help people

662
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:08,640
realize their dreams and create
lifestyles and homes that kind

663
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:09,880
of nourish them and their
families.

664
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,920
So it's an incredible privilege
to do that work.

665
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:16,880
And I think like to paraphrase
that Spider Man quote, with

666
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:18,800
great privilege comes great
responsibility.

667
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,560
And so I think that we've got
to, like, do it with intention

668
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:27,240
and like and take that privilege
and responsibility seriously.

669
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,240
Maybe you were wanting a really
practical tidbit.

670
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:36,840
That's my, that's my philosophy,
yeah.

671
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:44,440
Yeah, there's, there's a vast
range of a vast range of quality

672
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:50,240
and finding a builder that takes
that responsibility seriously is

673
00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:54,000
key to key to the outcomes that
are going to live, you know, be

674
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,800
with you for a very long time
after the house is finished.

675
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,680
Yeah, absolutely.
And like the, the construction

676
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:04,400
industry uses so many resources
like environmental, like

677
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:08,320
physical resources, but in terms
of financial resources and

678
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:13,040
energetic resources, like the
labor that goes into building, I

679
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just think it's really important
to think about like how we

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deploy those resources in the
in, in the best way.

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And like you know, you're
reducing the amount of wastage

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and and I guess investing those
resources in a way that's going

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to yield, yield benefits both
kind of financial and non

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financial down the track.
Yeah, yeah.

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Well, thank you, Claire.
That's all.

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You're welcome.
We have time for today, but

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that's we'll just we'll wrap up
our conversation there.

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I appreciate you taking the time
out to have a chat to me.

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Yeah, no worries.
Thank you so much for having me.

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All right, that is all for
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