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Calorogus Shark Media. Hello and welcome to Palace Intrigue. I
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am your host, Mark Francis. Meghan's Harper bizarre cover guarnered
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all sorts of reactions. Let's begin with her introduction to
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the room. Writer Caitlin Greenidge described arriving at a friend's
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Upper east Side home to meet Meghan, noting, when I
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enter the house, manager announces Meghan, Duchess of Sussex, even
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though we appear to be the only other two people
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in the house. That single line prompted a flurry of
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reactions on social media. One user on x asked, wait,
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this is a direct quote from the interview. Another replied,
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I bet that happens everywhere, just like her use of
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h Others accused Meghan of clinging to her title, with
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one comment reading her royal title is worth nothing to
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her now, so why be all desperate over using it?
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Another recalled her Oprah appearance, writing didn't she say in
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the Oprah interview that titles meant nothing to her? Others
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criticized what they call pretentiousness, adding they were surprised it
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had taken this long for people to notice. Etiquette expert
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Micah Meyer tells US Weekly. From an etiquette standpoint, using
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a British title, either socially or professionally globally including the US,
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is not unusual or improper, especially when the person is
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widely known by that title. The choice of how each
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member of the royal family wishes to be addressed is
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ultimately up to that individual. In Meghan's case, specifically, her
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title would be the formal way of address, which is
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likely how her team was trained to introduce her. Meyer added,
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it is more a matter of personal style or preference
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of each titled person. Fair enough, but why is Meghan
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being introduced into a room? Royal commentator Richard Fitzwilliams told
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The Daily Mail, I have often felt that Megan took
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to heart Oscar Wilde's dictum to love oneself is the
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beginning of a lifetime's romance. He went on to say
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that the exchange is described in the piece would have
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made a wonderful skit in the South Park series, arguing
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that the detail speaks volumes in an interview calculated not
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to offend about the importance Megan attaches to her royal status.
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Fitz Williams noted that the etiquette dictates the visitor should
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be announced to the Royal, not the other way around,
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so this breaks protocol, he said, adding it also makes
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it look silly. He then referenced the well known comedy
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sketch from the opening ceremony of the London twenty twelve Olympics.
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Someone is obviously announced when say, James Bond arrives to
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escort Queen Elizabeth to the Olympics. Fitz Williams said, he
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has announced as mister Bond, your majesty, and then he enters.
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Fitz Williams argued that the latest incident fits a broader pattern.
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Megan wants to have a halo in the interview by
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saying nothing nasty about anyone and being full of positive thoughts. However,
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in her use of her title in this pricelessly comic way,
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she speaks volumes about herself. She could be alone and
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be announced. Official guidance from Buckingham Palace and Etiquette Authority
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Debrettz supports the view that it is normally the visitor
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who is presented to the Royal, not the Royal who
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is announced to the visitor. Presentations, as they are formally known,
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require no more than the visitor's name, as in the
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traditional introduction, Your Majesty, may I present mister John Smith.
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Upon being presented and upon departing, men are expected to
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bow and women to curtsey, though a handshake is now
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common in less formal settings. Debretz also reiterates the correct
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form of address, Your Majesty is used initially for the
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King or Queen, followed by sir or man, while other
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members of the royal family are addressed by their styles,
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such as His Royal Highness. Harry and Meghan stopped using
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their HRH styles after stepping back from royal duties, though
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their ducal titles remain. Any removal of those would require legislation.
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Perhaps the most direct was Kristin Fleming, writing for The
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New York Post under the headline Meghan Michael has risen
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to truly comic levels of self importance in her ridiculous
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Harper's Bizarre Interview, Fleming writes about the introduction of the
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Duchess of Sussex to a mostly empty room. You seriously
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can't just open the door yourself. Maybe give your friends
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help the day off. The scene immediately conjures up the
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old Saturday Night Live sketch in which Garrett Morris playing
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a crier at a Victorian era ball announces the arrival
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of Lord and Lady Duchberg more palacing just a moment.
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Also drawing attention Meghan's confirmation that she personally initiated the
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contact that led to her much discussed appearance at balanci
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AGA's Paris Fashion Week show. Supporters called the move an
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example of her taking control of her narrative, while critics
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said it breached royal convention and appeared overly self promotional.
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Reports have suggested that Prince Harry was uneasy about Megan
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attending the Paris show without a formal invitation, citing concerns
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over security in the optics of an unannounced appearance. She
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also then took what some called a tasteless selfie near
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where Diana was killed. Megan's comments about her marriage also
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prompted a wide discussion. Speaking about Prince Harry, she said,
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no one loves me more than Harry, describing him as
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her greatest source of strength. The line circulated quickly on
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social media, dividing opinion between those who found it affectionate
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and others who viewed it as feeding into an already
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polarizing narrative. According to editor in chief, Samara Neser. The
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cover was the combination of a conversation that began five
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years ago. One can only imagine the emails that must
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have passed back and forth in that time. It is
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undeniably a major moment for the Hearst title. At forty four.
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She fronts the issue in a black dere bar suit,
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tiffany diamond drop earrings, and loosely styled hair. Her makeup,
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credited to British artist Diane Kendall, is intentionally minimal, a
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sweep of mascara, a touch of soft pink. Followers will
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recognize it as very much in line with the barely
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there esthetic she has favored recently. Glimpsed in that Instagram
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clip of her dressing table, whether she, like Pamela Anderson,
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moves falling into a bare faced beauty era remains to
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be seen. Inside the magazine, she appears in a red, balanced,
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younger cape dress, the label whose Paris show she attended
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this season, along with a series of looks that echo
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her post royal style, wide leg cream proenza shouldered trousers
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with a Kashmir knit, crisp black trousers paired with an
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unbuttoned celene shirt and a pencil skirt and trench ensemble
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that nods unmistakably to her suits years. As for the
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styling choices, her long standing relationship with de Or continues.
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It was among the first major houses she turned to
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after her marriage in twenty eighteen, and she has worn
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its coachuur for significant moments since, from Archie's christening portrait
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to the Platinum Jubilee. Became the subject of such intense
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speculation that Dior issued a statement in twenty twenty three
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denying she was set to become an ambassador alongside fellow
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royal Beatrice Barromeo. On makeup, the Duchess appears to align
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herself with the current movement of midlife women rejecting heavy cosmetics.
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Although she has always favored a natural look, her wedding
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makeup famously allowed her freckles to shine through. The Harper's
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Bizarre shoot strips things back even further. It is a
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quiet message she has no interest in conforming to unattainable
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beauty standards. On Here, she opts once again for the informal,
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slightly undone styling that became her hallmark during her time
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as a working royal. While she never embraced the more
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structured princess blow dry, she leaned into relaxed buns with
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face framing wisps, even on her wedding day, signaling a
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more laid back sensibility. In her pose, she offers a
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direct gaze and a gentle, understated smile. Portraitit more in
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line with royal tradition than Hollywood glamour. Additional black and
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white images of oak Mario Tastino's compositions of Diana, Princess
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of Wales, while shots of her barefoot recaller trademark Megan Flourish,
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and the cover itself makes a statement using her full
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duchess title and declaring that she meets her moment. In
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The Independent, Katie Rozanski asks can we please stop applauding
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celebrities like Megan Mirkle for posing makeup free? In an
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opinion piece, she writes, it's her face, or more precisely,
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what's on or not on her face that has got
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people talking because in keeping with this pared back esthetic,
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Megan appears to be pretty much makeup free, skin brows
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that has sculpted but not too sculpted, and a smattering
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of freckles. I should add, of course, for accuracy's sake
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that Harper's has credited the veteran makeup artist Diane Kendall
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for the shoot, so it's probably not the case that
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the Duchess just rolled out of bed beforehand, but the
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overall feel is natural and low key. There's no denying
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that Megan looks incredible and that her fresh face nicely
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compliments the clean lines of the understated outfits she's been
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styled in. But what can't help but needle me is
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the way that this cover and the many many celebrities
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that have followed a similar formula, are using going makeup
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free as sort of a shorthand for honesty, relatability, and
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my personal bugbear bravery. You can practically visualize the words
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authentic and real pinned on the mood board beforehand. Her
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truisms would possibly carry more weight if she hadn't spent
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most of the past year trying to sell all of
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us a lifestyle that seems to the casual observer at
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least pretty perfect. The Lauro piano knitwere the Nancy Meyer's
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movie worthy kitchen. The homemade jam sure said flaws might
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be barely perceptible with the naked eye, but that doesn't matter.
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They're actually just like you. Showing off blowing skin and
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perfect bone structure has been reframed, aimed as some sort
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of radical act that is somehow supposed to empower the
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rest of us. And as the mediate landscape has changed,
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we've been introduced to more opportunities for celebrities to supposedly
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defy the norm by an assuing foundation in mascara. Earlier
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this year, Meghan went make up free for her podcast
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interview with friend Jamie Kern Lima. She and I decided
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to do the episode the same way we spend most
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of our time together, with no makeup on, in our
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sweats and cozy it up in these two rocking chairs
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I have at my house. Lima gushed as she introduced
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the recording. The implication, of course, was that by swerving cosmetics,
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their chat was somehow more real than unfiltered. And there
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