Turning Trauma Into Your Super Power

0:00 that. So advice to any younger listeners would definitely be, once you make peace with that, don't care what anyone thinks about. Yeah. Don't be judgmental on other people. You'll see someone walking down the street and you go, what's that guy wearing? Or what's that girl wearing? Who cares? It's the natural law. If they're not doing no harm to anyone, why do we care? Why is it portrayed in the media that they're not wearing the best Chinese, they're not wearing the best tracksuits. You know, it doesn't matter. It matters that they're a good human being, and that's what we're very, very removed from at the moment all right. Welcome to the New Age Human Podcast. I'm your host, John as Stasio, and today we're talking with. Paul Whiteside.

0:40 from the uk, Liverpool woo woo. So he's a highly driven entrepreneur, successful businessman, husband and father, producer of the number 42 podcast. So really cool. Check him out. So stick around for the whole episode because we're gonna talk about dealing with trauma and turning that into your superpower, a psychedelic trip that Paul went on where he got some feedback on self-reflection and the importance of finding your tribe for success in life. So before we begin, just a reminder, you can always join our telegram channel where we. Basically discuss topics mentioned in the show, and more importantly, sharing what topics are of most interest to you. And if you want to get in touch with me, you can always go to new age human.com.

1:22 And there should be a contact button and a record button too if you wanna do a voice recording. So let's get to the show. Thanks for joining us. Let's go. Thanks for coming on, man. I, I appreciate it. We we started having a conversation around doing a show together, and you have your own podcast, the if you're watching the number 42 podcast. So Paul, thanks for coming on, man. I appreciate you. Oh, thank you. Thanks for the invite. Really appreciate it. Yeah. And you're coming. All the way from Liverpool, and I think that is awesome for anybody who's, who's wondering about the accent who's not used to the accent on the show. I'm excited because now we're bringing more color in the vocal section of the show.

2:03 So this is gonna be really cool and we have some interesting topics to talk about. So Paul psychedelic trips. You, you went bananas and you went all into that. Yeah. Yeah, it come, come around about I think I stumbled upon reading during the pandemic. Obviously we were all going down rabbit holes and, and so on and so forth. And very interested in, in, in the psychedelic thing. So done. Done be, be homework as as they say. And researched quite well a group of really close-knit friends, which I think is really important that you do something like that. With got together and we planned out what we were gonna do. Long story short is there's a few basic rules that I know you've covered psychedelics before, but I'd like to touch on, which are rule number one and probably the most important one is set and setting.

2:53 So I believe you should always be out in nature and it should be always with people you trust. Having a strip that is quite important as well. So obviously if anyone has a bad experience, then they can help along with, with that, really. Would you like me to retort the story? Yeah. I don't, I definitely wanna get into how you discovered that you were an Indigo child, but yeah, if there's a story in there, go ahead and it's, are you in the woods in this story? so what happened was we planned we, we talked about it planned. We, we found the supplier. Cause obviously here where we are, it's not. Strictly legitimate, shall we say. So what we'd done was we went out, hi, hide, a little cottage out over Pendle Hill.

3:34 Lovely setting. Summer's, evening, sun going down. Really great. Well, you know, evening it was, sun was going down before quite a while. Made a mushroom tea. Obviously waited for the strips to, to take hold. So we're all sitting around in the garden. We've all measured out the mushrooms according to body weight. So on and so forth, which is really important that you do these things. Get the giggles, then the visuals come on and wow. I remember the trip kicked in and it was intense. And remember thinking to yourself, you wanted this, let it, let it ride and go with it and, and see what, where it takes you. Obviously I had, before going into it, I had a massive fear of death cause I really enjoy life.

4:18 And all the trappings that come with it. So I remember thinking about death and, you know, what's the, you know, sort of the key to the universe and some sort of purple wave come past me and it said so much to me. Like, you know, we're all energy it, we go on, don't worry. But without saying anything, it was really unusual how it happened. And From that point onwards, I settled and I had the, you know, one of the best experiences of my life really. The visuals, the trees were puls Satan with energy and colors. You could see molecules and stuff. Friends of mine had different colored auras. Some had had orange, some had green and purples, and it was fantastic. I've only done it the one time, so it's not like anything you do that is addictive.

5:02 So that. Psychedelic ship was absolutely fantastic, and I think everyone should at least once go there, but you have to go in with the right state of mind. I think if you're holding onto any traumas or you're worried about it, don't do it. That would be my, my advice anyway. I. That was an interesting trip. Now you to go into it now, you, you said you feel that because you had a fear of death, that that was one of the messages that you got the most from right where it said there's a purple wave. And it said in some way or form, don't worry about it cuz it's a continuation. That's just how it is. Do you feel like you are less afraid of death now?

5:47 Yeah, I mean, I find that I'm able to handle the thought of it now because I think it's something that we can't escape. So I think if you make peace with it there was a Netflix documentary series called How to Change Your Mind. Was filmed in the US really, really good. And they give that treatment to terminal cancer patients and they come out the other side of it, really losing that anxiety of dying, which I found beautiful when I watch the series. Really. So I, I advise everyone to watch that as well. Cause it gives you a, a sort of doorway into that world really. Hmm. Okay. Okay. Now the trees, they were pulsating and you saw molecules.

6:28 That is freaky. So the tree thing was really if you've seen avatar, that's how I can explain it. You know, when you see the trees and the, the definitely alive, there's something that, you know, they integrated under the ground. Obviously there's with mushrooms, there's a thing called the mycelial network. I dunno if you're aware, you know about that, don't you? Yeah, elaborate on that. so obviously it's a network of root systems that go throughout the planet and apparently trees can talk to each other, other. Other things can happen, insects, everything. It's all connected in our ecosystem and it's a very delicate ecosystem, but it's also really efficient as well.

7:11 In life death, it regenerates. So when something dies and it goes into the ground, it's reborn or something else, the energy is used up. So nothing ever really dies, in my opinion. So if you see some of these I'm really interested in this by the way, when you do die, which is. Not something that I'm very looking forward to, but you, you can get these pods where you're put in like a feet position in like a sack and you're put with a sapling in the ground and you feed the tree as your body dies off. So a farmer fascinating. So you sort of live on through nature. Hmm. You know, it's, what do you think about this idea that actually Trees feed us because it's, it's like they're growing us.

7:59 As their food. They feed us their fruit and their vegetation so that we can grow big and strong. And then when we die, they absorb us through the ground. So it's actually them taking care of us. Yeah, I mean, why not? I mean, they obviously filter what we breathe out and they give us what we breathe. So it's, it's, it's an ecosystem, isn't it? It. It works hand in hand. So I think, you know, we need to be protect in the environment and we talk a lot about going back to nature and I think spending time out in the countryside, that's something every, everyone should do. Go for a walk, you know, get out your comfort zone. I mean, I recently went to Creon, hiked down to Waterfall and we went an anniversary and it was phenomenal.

8:43 Swamp, swam in in rivers and, and all sorts of trek down. Go to get to this Waterfall Creek and. It was one of the best days ever and it's something I'll, I'll, I'll never forget, I love. Yeah. I love. Of hiking, especially with like some close friends. And it's a, it's a way to get some mental clarity and reconnect and some of your best ideas come from that, right? Like I always recommend not always I don't think I ever recommended this, but I would say I recommend, now I'm gonna go hiking today. I'm gonna bring, if not my phone, my like a notebook. And as. The thoughts flow and I observe nature and part of what I wanna do is help people reconnect to themselves and nature.

9:25 Throw some ideas down on paper. I think that would be really cool, but. But I wanna go back to how you had an awesome setup where you guys measured everything out for your mushroom trip and you went to like this cottage in the middle of the woods. Who were those people that you decided to surround yourself with? I think that would be very interesting. So they are the crew from the number 42 podcast. They are lads that I grew up with and we've stayed friends and we've all got various backgrounds now as well. So we've all got very, very different jobs and we, we are very, very tight-knit and anyone who listens to our podcast will feel that energy in the room.

10:07 There's some something that goes on and, and this, the podcast is becoming successful at the moment, and it, it's something that you can't easily replicate. There's an energy that's generated. There's a symbiotic relationship there where we generate energy between us and, and it is fun and games on, on that podcast. Like I think anyone who listens to it will, will come across that. Yeah, you guys are hilarious. Definitely check out his podcast. We will have a link and information at the end of the show, so no worries about that. Am I to understand that the people that you decided to just pretty much have this amazing trip with they were or are your, your fellow podcast co-hosts b slash be Yeah.

10:49 Slash best friends as bash friends. Oh, so it was a mix of people that are the people that if someone listens to your show, th some of those people were there, if not all of them, plus some of your best friends from like way back. No, the, the best friends are the ones that run the show as well with us What, what happened? It was sorted by accident. We created the show. We decided that we weren't seeing enough of each other, so we put a Friday night, every two weeks together to meet up and have a couple of beers. I think on the first night we had maybe a little bit of marijuana and things flowed. Some ideas come out and someone suggested we just should record what we talk about, obviously. We're massive into our talking.

11:30 And I think the generation of going down to your local pub or club and talking about things, particularly for males as well was a big thing. You'd work all week and then you'd go to a pub club and you would talk with other males. And I think that's a massive thing that's missing now in society, I think after pandemics and that people are sort of apprehensive about going out, whether they can afford it, whether. You know, they're scared to go out and we're sort of bringing that sort of pub type humor to the podcast. But also we, you know, we do factual stuff and that it's a bit of a magazine. We do stuff on music, we have fun, there's quizzes, what, whatever really. The dynamic works really, really well.

12:11 Talking about The culture of just at the end of the day, whether you have, whether you have a business, whether you're working, you meet up with your friends, your boys, you go to the pub, the club, and you just kind of just live it up, right? You have these conversations, you exchanged all the things you learned throughout the week and you're seeing that where you are. Slowly going away because of just the times have changed where people are more so indoors or used to being indoors after the lockdowns. Is that what you're saying? Yeah, I, I think technology plays a big part as well. A lot of people buried in, in phones and stuff and defining alternative ways of entertaining themselves.

12:53 But the sort, again, they're taking themselves away from social circles that we as hunter gatherers, We're always in. So our idea is we are building the community slowly and steady of like-minded people. So the people that will come to the podcast now to listen, we are retaining them obviously. So someone made us this sign behind, which was fantastic and it was a lovely surprise on one of the shows. And we're just trying to get, find a way in a digitally era of still keeping our identity. So you sort of got a little bit, a bit in the matrix. Matrix and a little bit out of it if, if, if you, so to speak. Yeah. And for anybody that's listening when he was pointing to the poster behind him, it's the number a a fan created a poster for him, and it's the number 42 image made in the micro images of the show graphics, I believe.

13:49 Right. Each episode has like Show, show, show titles. show titles. Yeah. So it's, it's actually pretty cool. And this will be on YouTube, so No worries. So So I think what I wanted to do is talk about how, first of all, first of all, you you were saying that I'm laughing at a story that you said because I want, I want you to explain, let's go into it. I want you to explain for someone who's listening, Paul has no eyebrows and no eyelashes, no hair and and his words. He's always ready to go out. He's always ready to go out and So yeah, you ex share that story if you don't mind? okay. Well, I'll, I'll go back to 1976 was the year of my birth unusual heat waver that year as well.

14:32 So something special was happening then I, I entered the planet. I was actually two months premature. And I was born with no eyebrows, no eyelashes like I am now. Went on group, had a normal, great upbringing in eighties and nineties. Fantastic time to be alive in my opinion. Probably didn't have the best of diets once they'd had children or daughter. Always played football or soccer as you guys call it. At a really good level. Always done well in athletics, in school, stuff like that was really. A fit person, obviously children come along and that takes a back burner. If you're gonna do it properly, you're gonna put your energy into these children around rather than into a gym. So I had terrible diet, you know, I was drinking coke and you just eat pasties and work, you know, like pastries and stuff like that.

15:19 And not really great. And I think I was suffering from a lot of heartburn. So I was in about about 40. It was about forti. A circle of gray hair appeared about the size of a dime, you would call it. You guys empty head. And one of my mates was saying, oh look, you know, you've got a gray, gray hair. And then it fell out and then it started to go all over. And then literally all me hair just went out. I haven't got any arm hair, any leather region hair. I've got a little bit, little bit of hair on one leg but not much. So it's called Alopecia Universe. U Universe, Alice, I think it's called the proper terminology for it.

16:02 And I looked quite extensively into it, and it was related to a lot of poor gut health, in my opinion, through inflammation, poor diet. So I struggled initially because I was like, you, I was quite dark, had dark eye blast, dark eyelashes, beard, stuff like that. And I struggled mentally for, for about six months. Because I struggled. It was like my, my identity would had been rubbed out. And I remember my brother, who lives in Australia said to me, own it. Find a way of owning it. I initially, I thought, oh yeah, you've, you, what happened to you? You, and then when I, I said, digest the information. I thought, right, well, I'll go to the gym.

16:43 I'll turn myself into one of these Marvel superheroes. So that's what I did. Five, six years. I absolutely pummeled it. Pummeled the diet. I'd done it. I was like the envy of all my friends because I was so fit and everyone else wasn't. But the driving force behind it was the trauma. So I turned the trauma into a positive. I eat healthy, I am healthier, I'm mentally stronger. I've come to a better place. And that part of the journey made me a big part of who I am now. Really. That's awesome. That's awesome. So to clarify, you said that you were, you were born with eyebrows and eyelashes No, I, I wasn't because I was premature, so I've gone full sail.

17:24 Wait, wait. So I thought you, so you were born without eyebrows and eyelashes, and then they eventually grew in, De grew. Yeah. As as you, as you're the child. Yeah. And then I lost them again yeah. So I think your body was like, no, this guy is, you're not supposed to have hair. That's it. That's it. You're supposed to be in an anomaly and a superhero with, with no hair. Yeah, the superhero and the superpower is, which is explained to you the other day, is I can get faster to go out than anyone on the planet. I can just put shirt on some after shave, bit of deodorants and I'm out the You're good to go. Wow. And so it, it says a lot where you're, you've been able to turn a trauma into fuel to better your, your, your world, your life, your mentality, your health.

18:10 And it really help you get past that so that it's, you have more positive things to look at because you achieve them versus you know, why me and that victim mentality. So you're a really good example of someone that turned something that could have easily turned into a. Victim situation where it's like, and that's easier because very few people even have that situation happened to them. And so there's no commonality. And then you, and then you have the importance of really good people that you're surrounded by giving you really solid advice and then you just took it and ran with it. So I think you're really was massive. Yeah, that, that was massive. Sorry to to interrupt you there, John. I'd like to say a big thanks to my wife as well for that better cause she, you know, It was difficult for her and I, you know, thought, you know, you know this, this isn't who you married.

18:58 I sort of went through a little and she was mentally really strong for me and she told me she loved me and don't to worry about it. I had kids and I appreciated what I had. I think for anyone struggling, I think, I think when we look at trauma and stuff, you can't go backwards. There's nothing you can do about it when it's passed. So what you can do is what you do going forward. So that would be, obviously people have been through a lot worse than me. And I watched a lot of YouTube videos on girls, young girls as well, that went through similar stuff. And I think a man can pull it off better than a, than a than a girl. And you know, I, some of them girls are so inspirational when it's like anything, if I do something, I research it.

19:39 So I was researching about alopecia and some of these ladies and women and stuff. I have to take my hats off them all day. Handled the situation. I think it's a lot harder for the woman, so hat's off to them really. Right, right. We, as a guy, you can still you can still pull off the, the no hair. Right. We both are pulling it off pretty well, I think. And for women it's, it's, it's, it's, yeah, it's more tied to the identity. It's more it's less it's less desirable for a woman. To see herself without hair, although there's a lot of women that pull it off. And I think the, the concept and understanding of what beauty is is expanding. So that's great. But in my opinion, it beauty should not, or the, the way we see the world should not have to expand to assimilate to things that are.

20:31 I don't wanna say negative, but like, you know, as, as we make poor decisions and as we slowly kill ourselves with, with chemicals and just not knowing what we're putting into our bodies, it's almost like, It's it we're, we're forcing ourselves to accept a worsening human condition instead of identifying what needs to be fixed, because we're slowly killing ourselves. You know, and I, I, I hate to have us start accepting less and less standards because we should be moving upwards instead, instead of down. I don't know what your thoughts are on that. Yeah, I mean if you, if you look at the food chain for instance, I believe that is so corrupt and I think it's made to keep us all, ill keep us down.

21:16 If you look at governments of the world, if you were to go to your local supermarket, it's only fresh produce that you'd be. If you really, really want your, your people to be healthy, then you'd only. Put stuff there that is readily available. Easy nutritional. Now, if you walk into a store, you've got your candy bars, your crisps, your dips, you know all this stuff that is cheaper than wholesome foods. It's harder. Like you go, go back to Hunter, gather it. We had to hunt. Prepare and then eat and then we would start again. Now them old school values now today have gone. You've got your Deliveroo, your just Eats, and it's shocking when you see Here deliver roofs.

22:00 There's one called Deliveroo, it's like a, a motorbike with a picture of a kangaroo on the back with pizzas and McDonald's in the back. But like I say, you can go on an app and you're gonna. It's expensive as well. You know, people are talking about, you know, inflation and stuff and you know, grab the bull by the horns, then do something about it. Jib that, walk to the supermarket, earn your food. You've just walked the forest to get the rabbit, ski it in the supermarket and get home and cook it. I think that's a, a lot of things in society cause it's so fast paced. We're all working six, seven day weeks, night shifts. The whole setup is, is wrong at the moment. Like I say, we need to get back to nature.

22:42 We need to, to sort, if it is gonna inspire one person, our conversation now, that'll make me happy. Just one person I'd help themselves out. Yeah. And you're, you're, it's interesting how the conversation went that direction. We did not plan for it to be more of like a. Getting over past trauma. So I'm letting the, the, the wave ride itself because I, I'm like, you know what, maybe the universe is asking for this conversation to come out and we're just letting it happen. So I do like, like you said, I'd be ecstatic if we can help someone who's listening right now really just kind of look inside and see how they have the potential to do so much more. Just like you saw your hair coming out, you know, I used to have like, My identity was practically my hair when I was like a teenager.

23:30 Like I had like that, like long curly hair. We used to call it a blowout. And I would say maybe the longest, it was like maybe four inches, but like I had the headband on, like I used to dance and spin on my head. Like it was just, it was part of the look. And as I got more stressed just going through life and Going through my challenges. I remember at one point I saw like, the, the barber actually behind me was like, Hey, do you want me to go? You want to A little bit lower as like, as a number as far as close, a little bit shorter. I'm like, why? And they're like, well, and it's, they had that hesitation to tell me that you have like spots of hair that's thinning in the back of your head.

24:14 And I'm like, oh my God, it's happening. And this is when I'm in my like mid twenties, mid to late twenties. And my I was dreading the future because all my, my father, my, my uncles, they all like, No hair. own, And so I'm like, it's happening. Oh man. own it. Own it. to own it, is own it. I was like, just, just do it all. Just, just, all right, cool. We'll, we'll transfer it to the beard. transfer? Yeah, it, it, yeah. Well, that's it. I can't even do that now. I can grow a bit of grave stuff, but going me a while to, to grow a beard. I will say like when I yeah. in my, sorry to cut you off in my, No, no, no. Early twenties like I went to high school and people had, were able to like, you know, start to, once they got out, like, like 19, 20 people had full beards.

25:00 Like I couldn't grow my upper lip area. I just couldn't do it. And so I just had the bottom half just growing and until I was maybe 27 and then I started to be able to like, I'm just the lay central is that like Amish, that look like the Amish people just grow, grow, grow the bottom. Yeah. Is that like a bit of an Amish? Amish look like, I'm wearing my Spartan shirt. You know, I feel like I'm emulating that that movie, 300, like this is Sparta, you know? Yeah. Brilliant. Touching on the long hair thing again. I had shoulder length hair. We. In the nineties here, the obviously ecstasy and the rave hit scene and it was huge.

25:43 Yeah, it was absolutely, it liberated the people. And for the time we lived in a utopia where we were free, as you know, late teenage, early twenties, illegal warehouse raves, long hair, ponytails, psychedelic club clothes, the law, and you would meet people from other cities that. Predominantly didn't get along cause of foot football or soccer, should we say. There was, there used to be big clashes. It was quite violent between football teams here at one point and it sort of, Nullified that. Cause people would go out and meet, they'd go to watch a football match and say like, London from Liverpool.

26:23 And usually they would fight at the end of it or before it, and then they would go out clubbing together and hugging each other and your grades and your this and you that. And people made lasting relationships from, from that. And it was obviously, it was heavily, heavily come down on here, but it still still survives a little bit to this day. Yeah. You just reminded me of something where are the Beatles from? They're from Liverpool as well. So I think you'll appreciate this. And this happened recently, so I got, I'm increasing my meditation practice, right? And I did it in the morning the other day. I had a very stressful evening prior where I felt like I wasted, wasted a lot of time on some something that popped up.

27:09 And so I had a meditation that specifically for letting things go, letting things, you know, just letting it go. And And the song from The Beatles popped up and it just said, let it be. And that song just kept on playing in my head throughout the whole day. And it was so calming, and I'm listening to the lyrics and it's like the most simple song. And the answer to every challenge was just, just let it be. And I feel like that's a really good reference for our conversation because you just, you just let it go and you, you owned it, right? Whether, whatever happens to you, you, you're like, okay, I'm just gonna let it be this.

27:50 I'm, I'm gonna move on and I'm gonna need to be stronger because of it. Yeah. What, what can, what can we do about things? I mean, we, we all like to think we're in control, but let's be honest with you, I could be you now on a plane could land on the studio and that'd be the end of me. There's very let it be, if it happens, then, you know, life of my predictions. Yeah, I, I, I really believe that, you know, It is a good answer to have because, you know, obviously I think particularly as a younger male, you're a lot more reactive. I found that when, as I've got older and a bit more wiser, you sort that the count to 10 and look at the, the situation from a different perspective is massive.

28:33 Sometimes maybe from the other person you may be having a little bit of an issue with. Look at things from their perspec perspective, maybe kill them with kindness. I do that a lot in in my job. So when someone's actively. The aggressor. I just keep being nice. I keep being nice until I turn them into kittens and it, if it's fantastic, it's fantastic. And it's great to watch and they end up liking you. You know, I'd say 99.9% of the time obviously will get the odd person. That old never come off that ledge, but people are, people are walking around, stressed and highly strung, and you need to. You need to find something that's better. Like I say, we live in a world that's far too fast.

29:15 It's our peaceful for who we are really. No, and you put it pretty well and Just to highlight like you're, you have a successful business and I think it sounds like you can attribute that to well, let me ask you this. Can you attribute a lot of the success that you have in your business where you've been able to expand into a lot of the area and you called it an empire at one point? And I'm pretty sure. And let me ask you, like, what do you attribute to that success? What do you think was like the major driving force to that? a massive thing is visualization as well. I, I remember at the start I took the business over from, from my father had been a flooring installer for 20 years.

29:55 It, I've been offered it by me dad a little bit. I didn't really want that. I'd always be in like a freelance. Floor installer. So worked for multiple companies. They gave me the freedom to do what I wanted to do as where if I was gonna do this job, it would anchor me and that was quite terrifying cuz I liked to be a bit more free. But when I made the decision that I was getting older and a physical sort of job wasn't gonna be the best for me, I was hated the paperwork as well and really good at it. Now, I sort of, I done, done myself a, a roadmap. And I actually printed it out on the computer and I put it up on the office wall. And I had certain goals along that roadmap, and I think visually it helped. I set myself, I think two years to do it, and I've done it in nine months.

30:39 And I've, I've, I've dragged the business into the 21st century outta the website. It's got social media, it's massive on Google. Our reviews are through the roof, and now I've put it into the. 20,000 feet plain. Now getting off the grounds is the hard bit. Now I'm cruising that altitude and reaping the benefits of it, and it, it really is going well and I'm, I'm proud of what I've done and I'm still to put my energy a lot into podcasting, the podcasting world at the moment, because I believe that. The likes of ourselves can make a difference to people. And I like the sense of community that podcasts bring as well. It's interesting talk and stuff like that. Basically that's, that's where it got me.

31:20 And I think surrounding yourself with people and positivity, like as a boss, I never see myself as a boss. I always tell people we're a team, but I'm the captain. So obviously now and again, I have to shout things, but not an aggressive manner. When I say shout things, you know, But there needs to be structure. So if you surround yourself and you look after the people who work for you, it's a winning combination. Nice. And I like how you mapped out your goals, right? You ma literally manifested and created that vision and then you went for it. And I'm pretty sure a lot of what you've been through, which is, you know, just. Getting over alopecia and, and a mix of that, maybe the psychedelic trips trips of seeing how we're all connected helped you become more of a visionary.

32:06 So you were able, it does seem like you were able to just collect all of your experiences into like, Hey, you know what? I can make this happen. And you were thinking ahead and, you know, I'm my guess, and you can tell me if I'm wrong, my guess is you were able to overcome your trauma. I. Before you took over the business or was it after? It was. After the initial thing was after, so the business was after the initial, probably maybe two, two years, a year, two years after the initial event of losing all hair. So obviously the driver, I've always been extremely driven. There's no doubt about that.

32:47 Like I so to you in a little interview we had, I, I walked, before I crawled, I literally pulled myself up and dragged myself around the furniture. I would refuse to crawl. So that's always been me nature. Sometimes I've been a little bit gung ho. A little bit running into situations rather where I should have walked into them. I've had to backtrack and learn from that situation. Probably been a bit more eager than I should have been, but it's not a bad trait to have. It seems to have served me well so far. That's awesome. What about you? What about yourself? What's your sort of mentality? You were a drag yourself along crawled walk type of guy. I think it, it was very gradual for me. It was very gradual. I'm more of a, an observer and then I make my decisions.

33:30 That's how I know myself now. I don't have memories of crawling or I don't think I've had that conversation, but I do know that I always like to, I like to move to music. But I, I'm definitely like, it was very much like a, like a crawl into a slow, like, Aggressive crawl into like, I think for me it was very gradual. I would not be surprised if it was extremely gradual, like the polar have to ask your mum. Yeah, you'll have to ask your mum. But obviously I, I do know you're quite methodical cause I, I've listened to your podcasts and like, Cudo who did really good. Really, I dunno, I was even stumbled across it. I think I was, I was away in Europe and I, I just, I'd been to Rome and I think I'd come to cre. It was 20th wedding anniversary and I I come across it, don't know how come across it.

34:15 Anyway, started delving into it and really enjoyed it and probably, you know, obviously it took us to this on this little journey, which has been fantastic. Really. Which is awesome. And I, and I, I like how you brought that up because I think people listening will appreciate that. Where, like, you, you run into something that you enjoy and and then before you know it, you're like having a conversation. And I like how the, the community is like that, where you can run into people that are similar interests, right? Similar goals, and We're very like inviting, right? And like we vibed pretty quickly because, you know, my vibe from the show. So I do appreciate you, you know, saying positive things about the show. And I'm, I'm glad that you enjoy it and I'm working, I'm working on listening to yours.

34:58 My, my brain has a hard time digesting the accent, so it's one of those like, I gotta listen for it for a little bit and I'm like, okay, I think I know what's going on because you guys. well, on Spotify. I, oh, sorry, go on. Sorry. No, no, like the fun, the cool thing is like you guys are, Being yourselves, right? And you're, you're hanging with the voice and so you're gonna have your slang and, and the people that are familiar with that slang are going to appreciate, appreciate it the, the most because it's like, it's, this is my people, right? And then for me, I'm like, I'm enjoying hearing other people enjoy their time with their good friends. Cuz I'm all about finding your tribe so that you can be yourself and then, Really explore yourself versus trying to fit into something that you think that you should be in and not really exploring yourself.

35:55 You're just exploring other people and you're, you're, you're going further away from your, your inner potential. Yeah. I, I think what it's great when, when you say about that finding yourself is, I, I think you have to get to a certain age before you come. Comfortable in your own skin. I think especially with, especially with the, the pressures of society, i e your social media and stuff like that. So advice to any younger listeners would definitely be, once you make peace with that, don't care what anyone thinks about. Yeah. Don't be judgmental on other people. You'll see someone walking down the street and you go, what is, what's he wearing? What's that guy wearing? Or what's that girl wearing? Who cares? It's the natural law.

36:36 If they're not doing no harm to anyone, why do we care? Why is it portrayed in the media that they're not wearing the best Chinese, they're not wearing the best tracksuits. You know, it doesn't matter. It matters that they're a good human being, and that's what we're very, very removed from at the moment. And you solve all these problems and the world will be a much better place. I like I think we can end it right there. Just make the world a better place. So it. Let let it be. let it be, I have to play that song. We have to do like a. Real or something. Cuz I don't think I'll, I'll have, I, I definitely don't have the right to that song. But so the number 42 podcast I have to ask, why 42?

37:17 Is that, is that a long story? it's taken from what's the film? It's the meaning of the Universe. 7 42. It's got Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. I love that movie. yeah, so it's 42 is the answer to everything. Yes. universe. So that's where it comes from. Yeah. That's the answer, the number 42. Oh, now I get it. I feel so shame that I didn't know that. It's been too long that I, that I haven't seen that movie. Man, thanks for coming on the show. I really appreciate it. Is there anything that you, any last, last message, anything that you are working on that you want to close out on? We're working on some live stuff at the moment, so if you do get a chance to listen to our show, maybe for the American listeners, you wanna dial it down on Spotify, you can actually slow it down so you'll understand our, our fast type of lingo that we speak.

38:11 We are working on some live stuff and interactive community stuff cause we're trying to bring people together all the time. So if you do happen to follow us, there will be videos coming shortly. I look forward to it, man. Thank you for coming on the show, man. I really appreciate it. I had a lot of fun. me keep the hard work mate. Keep up the hard work. I really, really appreciate what you're doing.