EP 116 Exploring Dream Analysis and Ancient Wisdom | Steven A Ross

0:00 Have you ever heard of that phrase, follow your dreams, and then you have that dream of, I don't know, riding a unicorn made out of marshmallows and you're riding off into the sunset. And then you wake up and think, what the heck was that? Now we've had episodes in the past where we talk about dreams, but today our special guest has been analyzing and taking notes of his dreams for over 35 years. Yes. And we're going to unpack his journey of exploration. And why would you? Stick with writing down your dreams and what has that done for you? Now, who's our guest? Steven Ross is a pioneering research author and visionary in alternative health and is dedicated his life to uncovering and sharing ancient wisdom and holistic healing practices that bridge science and spirituality.

0:49 So today we're going to be, yes, talking about his take on dreams, but more importantly, we're going to talk about, how his journey started, where he had a dream about a phone number, woke up, called that phone number, and then some wild stuff happened and we're going to unpack that. So stick around. You're listening to the new age human podcast, where we have mind expanding conversations around science, spirituality, and alternative health. To help you unlock your true potential and thrive in a rapidly changing world. My name is Jon Astacio and I help entrepreneurs and professionals manage stress and uncover inner obstacles so they can next level their success, whether that be financial freedom or living a happy, fulfilling life.

1:31 Now, if you're interested in seeing how dreams can help you achieve your potential and help you with your personal journey in life, join us today. Now, with that said, let's get to the show. All right, Stephen A. Ross, welcome to the show. I'm excited. How are you, my friend? Thank you very much, John. It's a sunny, beautiful day here in Sedona, Arizona, so I'm doing well. I know you're doing good. and I'm happy for you. I love, uh, I want to go back and visit Sedona. I like the, uh, the vibe over there. And even though it's a, it's hot, it's a dry heat, so I, I think I can handle it. Well, you have to write, you have to write do for it, so it's perfect.

2:15 Right? We're brothers with, uh, with the shiny bald heads. There you go. Um, for anybody that's not watching, Stephen has a huge Library behind him with a lot of really cool books and we're going to get into that and today's episode We're diving into dreams because we got some really interesting origin stories navigation stories to dive into And steven has a really Really cool story on how he got into dreams and and Steven if you don't mind I want to ask you that first question because when we did like the whole prequel thing You you mentioned this one story and I'm like wait what and so I've been dying to ask you this question because I want to unpack what is going on.

3:06 And so let's do it. So, um, where did it all begin? Because you said you were 24 years old when your journey started with dreams and analysis. Yes, that that's correct. And, uh, I have a math science background, uh, a very extensive athletic background and dreams for the meaning of dreams actually had no meaning to me because Either I didn't remember they were silly, but when I was 24, I met a Native American, uh, Indian, who gave me a reading, as he said, and at the end of the reading, he said, all my future guidance would come in my dreams, and I thought, Wow, that's, that's exciting, but the type of personality I was, I went one week without sleeping, John, because every night I was going, I'm going to go to sleep.

3:59 I'm going to have a dream. It's going to be impactful. But after one week, I was so tired, I didn't sleep. recalled the dream and it went like this. A book opened up in my dream. It was a picture book of animals and I heard a voice say, what kind of animal is Steve? And a finger points to a particular animal. Now, before I tell you what that picture was, I recognize the voice as an extremely good friend of mine. We played on a six man volleyball team, and as far as I knew, even though we hadn't seen each other for two years, everything was great, nothing was ever said.

4:44 But something possessed me. To call him up and again, I just I never saw his face. I thought it was him So I said hi Bob. Is there anything bothering you about me? And he goes no I asked a second time. Is there anything that you're upset or you don't he goes no John I asked a third time. He goes what's your problem? Are you sick? I asked a fourth time I said I want to be a better person And he says to me, well, there is something that's been bothering me. I thought my stomach, I mean, I go, what?

5:28 He goes, do you remember when we played six man indoor volleyball? I said, yes. He said, you are all American. Everybody looked up to you. Do you remember what you did to Harold, one of our teammates? And I go, no, I don't. Harold was the seventh player. You only have six. He was not the best. And now this is Bob sharing with me. Every time Harold came into the game, and he may have made a mistake, You didn't say anything, but you just glared at him. And now Bob's continuing. Harold and I would go out for pizza after, and he would throw up because he couldn't win your approval, and I thought you were a real hog.

6:15 Now, you know what the picture was in the book? It was a hog. I sat there, I thanked him, and, yes, I really teared up after, and I was going, Wait a minute. This is my bedroom, this is my dream, how, how did I pick up something that was not obvious and then after that, I had anywhere from four to six dreams every night for the next three months on my personality, likes and dislikes. Real quick. Um, so you had the dream and it was Bob's voice pointing to a hog, but did that conversation with Bob happen in the dream or did it happen after the dream?

7:04 No, I physically called him. After the dream? After the dream. I woke up and I was going, wow, just call, no. That whole last part was after I awoke. And it was extremely hard since he was a P. E. teacher, not that that's wrong, but he was a jock, jock, he wouldn't know anything about the dreams or spirituality, uh, and I just took that chance, but for me to ask four times, Including one of the guys going, what's your problem? Are you sick? What are you asking me that for? And then persisted.

7:45 But I really believe that it was my persistence that made a difference on many fronts. And especially later, um, having dreams about, again, every face of my personality, likes and dislikes, I would, in dreams, get commentaries on different subjects and, and people. And then, of course, I started getting just a telephone number. So I don't want to get us way out there, but let's just plant the seed. I, in my dreams, would be given a number. I always kept a yellow legal pad next to me, so I would write my dream down, never open my eyes, turn the page, and do that anywhere from four to six times a night.

8:35 But then, just a telephone number. And then I would sit and look. What am I going to do with this? So you call it. And I did. And for those, well, for your people who can see, there are more than 15, 000 volumes in here dating to 1492. And when I called that number, somebody would say, we're waiting for you. We have some materials for you to care. Now. Let's say you and our audience were just sitting around at a party and I told the story they'd go wow Maybe we like him because his head is bald, but that is kind of a bizarre story It's not when somebody comes in here or sees what you're seeing because in here are lost and forgotten healing devices rare materials Notes and logs from scientists from the past Which, when I would go to these places, they wanted me to be a steward and caretaker, and, and that's what's here totally through, through the dreams guidance.

9:52 So, I have to ask, when you called that number, and they said, we've been waiting for you, can you share, like, like, what happened after that? Like, Well, they would want me to go to specific locations, where they were at, Other times they would say we would like you to gather everything you can on a particular philosopher or person from the past which I never heard of. In fact, I had two types of, of dreams. And again, none of this was in my family background. I was math, science, and sports.

10:33 I, I didn't have any of this. Another reoccurring dream, strangely enough, was me in a library, and there was a line of people, and at the head of the line was this man looking down from a podium. And I would get there, and he would go, We now want you to study Pythagoras, or Paracelsus, or Marsilio Ficino, which I never heard. And then I would go out, and on the telephone calls, the people would say, Uh, we want you to come, and I would go from Los Angeles to a place in Florida and get information on, uh, a philosopher named Parkhurst Phineas Quimby, which I never heard about, and I was given all of his unpublished writings, so it's a multitude of experiences, um, but the guidance for me is And a lot of other people through history came from the dreams.

11:37 So, okay. I know. I know. Maybe the people in your audience are either pulling out their hair or going, come on. How's that possible? Well, so I, my, my mind, I'm, I'm trying to, I'm very visual in my mind, right? Yes. So I see you calling a number and then like someone in. Like a dark room picking up a phone in like some hotel and and and saying we've been waiting for you And then like giving you instructions And then from what my experience from what you just said It sounds like and correct me because I want to get to the bottom of this If you don't mind, did you just like show up to a A place and there were just like books there or there are actual people waiting for you and then you got to meet them and, and, and they've been like, were you able to meet the person on the other line?

12:32 Yes, of course. No, it was, it's very hard if it's not in somebody's frame of reference. It certainly wasn't originally in my frame of reference. But going to locations, physical, real people who we could only classified. It's highly intuitive, um, always very loving, but there's a difference between the people who write books and claim to be able to do certain things. And then there's the people who don't write the books, who do really amazing things as far as our minds are conceiving, but it's just natural for them.

13:17 Communication over distance, that's nothing. So a dream, a dream is a communication portal, and I don't think people truly appreciate the, the, um, the breath and the power and I'm going to use the word power that's involved with our dreams because it allows us to reach not only different states of consciousness within our own selves, but it allows us to reach venues and dimensions that we're not even aware of. Whether somebody wants to say their higher self, angels, God, I'll leave that up to who's ever listening.

14:04 But it is a direct line and therefore I don't believe that we need gurus or we need special people. We have the telephone to every dimension right here. Right in our dreams. And as we go and say, okay, well you had all this experience. Where has it led you? How have you changed your life? It opened up a realm and a reality far beyond my schooling and even my early experience. Because John, I'm sitting there going, How does this happen?

14:45 That this fellow, I don't, I don't think Bob was sitting there at night going, I'm mad at Ste. He's a hog. It's terrible. So this is a movie that, so for the last, that was at 24. So for the last 50 years, basically 51 years, um, I have gone all over the world through Dreams. I have written a book on dreams. Um, we'll go into these type of things, but I've been guided all over the world to get to places. And again, the proof is in the pudding, and for those who don't see, I'm pointing to the materials that are in here, including devices that people on the internet have heard about, but they don't know where, where they are.

15:36 Well, A lot of them are here. That's awesome. Mm, mm, mm. And, okay. I feel like I'm in the candy shop of questions. Semi twilight zone also. Um, I, part of me, so okay, I have to address something because I know that Um, some, some of us in the audience are thinking, Hmm, so you mean to tell me that he got a phone number, Called it, met up with somebody that communicated with Steven Using, uh, an extra sensory skill with using your mind, And, and deliberately, deliberately had a plan to connect with you through your dreams?

16:27 So that you call them, meet up with them, they give you directions, you understand the situation, you accept it because of how crazy it happened, like a movie, like Why Me type of situation, like that's how each fantastic movie starts, where, you know, you have a doctorate in finance, and you, you're like, I'm going to follow this dream. Bug Bob, Bob thinks you're crazy. Yes. You think probably at that point, you're a little crazy. Like that reminds me of every movie, like everybody thinks they're crazy.

17:08 And then, um, uh, I, I do have to, I, I want to get into everything, but I do want to address your thoughts on the idea and the understanding that there's also technology out there called, um, I think the voice of God, where. Synthetically, humans have been able to implant Um, thoughts in your waking life sounds in your mind, in your waking life. And we're also starting to have the capacity to do that in more of a mass scale or less of a black ops scale, right? You know, like, um, with AI, but from what I understand, we've had this technology for a while. So how do you know, I mean, the outcome is fantastic regardless, but how do you know they're not using technology to do this?

17:55 And are you aware of that technology? Well, you've got to remember now, I'll be 76 in January, so this was happening in the 1970s. So, they did not have that technology back then. And, um, if you look at the list of people throughout history, the finishing of the periodic table was accomplished because the developer had a dream. Some of the greatest writers in the history of literature and the world, politicians, generals, um, the, these are all known facts.

18:42 We'll say it was because of what they got through their dreams. Now I wrote a little essay called. Are they geniuses or just good listeners? Because what if these famous writers did not complete their magnum opus great thing? What if the scientists, including the singer's sewing machine, was developed because in a dream he saw riders with spears next to them on their horse. Now, if they had not listened, you wouldn't even know about them.

19:23 So, I'm going to say it again. Were they geniuses or just good listeners? And so, this idea that things, including boxers who dreamed that their opponent was going to be killed in the ring, The night before, if I'd actually called, now it's sports, and the other side didn't believe him, it happened. And whether it's George Washington, or Ulysses S. Grant, or, again, very, very famous people, it's not unusual. So, here's what I will put back to you. Where did that come from? Who, was it just another part of them?

20:07 Was it, Somebody on the other side who said here, we're going to help you see the periodic table. Now, people can have their own opinions. Well, maybe it was a greater part of them. But these people who I've spoken about will say, sometimes the dictation came from another voice or little pixies, they would say, that were speaking so quickly that the writers, and again, we can go through a list, they're the most famous poets in the history of the world. And they claimed, didn't come from me, it was from some other source.

20:50 So I may be out there for some of your friends who don't know me, that I'm a joking light hearted guy. Or there really is something out there that we all possess. And that is, why was I different? Because I did what Nike says. I just did it. I just called and fought through. Are you nuts? Why are you asking me? And it opened the door. And the more you work with your dreams, and by that I mean, you're open the more that happens. In my opinion, I agree.

21:34 Um, I'm like, wow. All right. So the native American experience, you got these books, you've been traveling, you have a library, um, and we, and it's, I'm a believer because I honestly have had my share of dreams of, and we've, uh, I've done a couple episodes around dreams of my experiences. And it's absolutely true for, for me when it comes to getting an idea of what's going on, on a deeper level for yourself. If you're stuck and you're trying to figure things out, your dreams will tell you. And it's like, I also feel like your dreams will tell you something that is the most important thing to know right now.

22:22 And, and when you say you wake up and you write down things with your eyes closed, I Write it in my phone and uh, maybe I should write it down with my hand But I feel like I'm just gonna go like weird, but when I do write it down with my phone Uh, I got one eye open and it's sideways and it's just it's a mess but I get it in there and I know what you're talking about where uh, For me, it's as I write it down I remember about like the dream before that and so I have to like Create a space and then start writing that and then that gives me more information about the dream before that and then yes Before you know it you have five different dreams and it's like what is going on.

23:05 I've had a dream about waking up In the dream and then I wake up again and now I have to like really question stuff now because am I, am I going to have a whole day and then wake up again? Is this inception? It's, it's very, it's very, very true. And, um, now I have kept dream journals for 50 years. I have, I've kept a record for 50 years. So I know. Uh, the different type of dreams, but sometimes, oh, many years ago I got tired and I go, you know, I'm just going to speak it into a, a, a, a tape recorder because we didn't have cell phones back then, but I discovered that once I tried to talk it in, I lost everything.

23:51 It's coming from a different sensory, Um, area and I quickly learned, no, that's not going to work. But my dreams have gone as far as not only getting a dream because yes, I've had the same kind of dreams as other people. You're, you're riding in a car, then it becomes a bicycle. Then you're riding on a horse or then you're on a scooter. So I don't want somebody to think, Oh yeah, the guy just has prognosticating and dreams. But. I have also been given the interpretation right after, which you're not going to read in very many books. In other words, while I was still there, I was like, okay, I'm thinking in my mind, what does this mean?

24:35 And then I've been given an interpretation sometimes, which explains the symbology of what it meant. So I'm here to say, and I so much appreciate John, You giving me an opportunity to share this. People need to stretch the boundaries and limits of what is possible, not only with the dreams, but everything in life. Make no boundaries. And so I will wake up, eyes closed, write the dream, and then I hear a voice give me an interpretation. It's, everything is possible.

25:17 Yeah. And, I think I know what you're talking about because I'll wake up and I'm going to try the writing part because I do on the phone and I want to see what if I get more with my eyes, my eyes closed, but I think I know what you're talking about with the interpretation where for me, I start typing it in. And part of me is like, this is just wild. I'm just going to write, like, I just like, right before we started recording, I'll give you an example of how wild it can get. You asked me, Oh, so did you have any dreams lately? And I said, yes, I have. I had. Vampire babies. And I felt bad because they were babies, right?

25:59 And if we, if you've watched a movie on vampires, especially the movie Interview with a Vampire, um, where if whatever age you turn into a vampire, you're stuck. So I felt bad because I'm like, they're going to be babies forever. They're going to be lost, confused. Are they going to, you know, I have the mind of an adult, and then I just felt bad, and then I was conflicted because, should the, should I be worried? I mean, They can only crawl so fast, right? Um, so it was just weird and then um, yeah, they were pale and you know, they They had blood on their mouth, even though it doesn't look like they bit anything It was just like, you know, it just my mind created it.

26:43 But when you write it down i'm going back to you know, um Talking about what you were talking about, um, when I was typing away, I, I do remember, uh, just putting it down, trying to remember, and then getting an idea of what it could mean afterwards. Right. And like the repetition stuff of, uh, for me, a lot of dreams have been cars and sometimes I'll have like this nice Ferrari and like, yes, I got my Ferrari. And then, um, I'll crash the Ferrari and then now I have to pick up my car, which is not a Ferrari. Or maybe it's a car that's worse than what I have and it's got like no doors and you know, me trying to understand what's going on.

27:30 I I've heard that your car can symbolize your life path or your career, right? And maybe you got an opportunity to have something great happen and you turned it down and now you have to deal with your, um, doorless. Right? So, uh, and, and it's, it's one of those things where I hate to tell someone that that's what it means for you. But it, I also feel like as you write your dreams, you learn the patterns of your own language to yourself. Correct me if I'm wrong. So it's one of those, like you can give someone a suggestion and if they adopt that suggestion, then that will just be how their dreams.

28:14 I feel like your dreams is just going to figure out. Whatever way they can, it can, you can, whatever, whoever is on the other side of the phone, so to speak, that virtual zoom dream call, um, they're like, okay, if they think it's a car and it's a career, then like, then we'll continue with that, like, whatever they can, whatever patterns they can recognize, you know? And, and, uh, again, I didn't do this show to hawk anything, but, but you really led me in to something valuable. And that is. This is the book that I wrote, A Grand Design, and it's because after you look at 50 years of dreams, I noticed there was a design to what the, the basic idea of what the dream was about.

29:10 Some was prognostication, some was about health, some was about philosophy, some was about Uh, seeing what was going to happen in the future. I noticed there was a grand design. Now, if somebody has one or two dreams, they'll go, Well, I had a dream about this, and you interpret. But when you look over, 50 years. It's like, wow, wait a minute. I could pigeonhole these dreams into seven different categories. Now, it allows me to share a story with you because, again, everything is about perspective.

29:51 Aristotle was walking along the Mediterranean, and in the distance he spied a figure, a man holding a bucket, putting it in the Mediterranean. And as he got close, he realized it was the village madman. And Aristotle says to him, What are you doing? And the man says, I am going to empty all of this water so I can see the beautiful blue green bottom. So Aristotle says to him, How are you going to get all of that water into this little hole of yours? And the man scratched his head and stood up and said, Great philosopher, what are you doing?

30:35 And Aristotle says, I am contemplating the universe. And the man says, how are you going to get all that in that little head of yours? Everything is perspective. And I shared this so your audience would know, I am sharing my experiences and my perspective. Perhaps I'm the philosopher. Perhaps I'm the village madman, but it has been my experience. It has been my life. And the best I can do is at least share. Now, I didn't join any groups.

31:18 Somebody just said, Hey, pay attention to your dreams. And so that is what I am doing with your audience is just saying, What if there is this incredible ability to contact Anywhere you want and anything that that you desire that you can plug in because I've had more than 50 years experience with this, and I am no different than anybody else. Although you and I have special because we're, you know, we have a do like this, but that wasn't necessary. To get to dreams and the more somebody pays attention i'm gonna call your dreamer the more information you're gonna get That's a lot of phone calls um Okay, so I want to ask you about a specific dream that I I wanted to make sure I had time to ask you it And before I forget The most I remember asking what's the most fascinating dream you've ever had and you went straight to The barber scene.

32:30 So can you share what the barber scene is? Yeah, the barber scene was There was one night The most dreams i've ever had in one night woke up and recorded by the way It was never tired was seven dreams that night But the first the very first dream was You I was sitting in like a barber's chair, slightly reclined, and I heard voices behind me saying, Oh, what dream sequence should we, and dream should we give Steve tonight? It was like, what? And then I heard, and then I had those dreams that night.

33:15 It was so, it, it, it really, see a lot of times for me, even though I have all this literature, And I'm gonna show some show and tell books, you know, these books from the 1400s on dreams and 1500s. I, I, I am still amazed at what comes through and, and what happens. And they mention subjects, and those were the dreams I had that day. So, that was the most bizarre, um, experience, but in regards to dreams, I've had dreams that foretold two days, a week in advance, a year, five years, uh, I have a non profit World Research Foundation, we're going to receive a donation of X amount of dollars, in three months, uh, where that was not something that I would consciously know.

34:16 In other words, it wasn't like, oh, we're going to donate to you. So there have been a variety of topics and subjects. And again, I have 50 years of recording these, um, and knowing what What what it is it is an incredible vehicle that I would love people Again in their 20s and 30s. I'm not sure Of of the age of your audience. I'm sure it's a wide why not pursue something? that broadens your Receptivity your your learning and this goes back now I'm, just going by what i'm told You Intuitively, you mentioned that as you're writing down, you're going back.

35:10 Now, Pythagoras, one of the greatest philosophers of all time, the right triangle, the harmony of the spheres, completing the octave, what he did with his students was the following. At night before bed, he would have them review in reverse order everything that's taken place from when they're ready to go to sleep. Throughout the day. Including if they could remember the dreams during the night. Interesting. We're talking 550 BC.

35:50 So speaking of 550 BC, um, I want to say one thing and then I want to get into those books because, um, it, it does sound like you've read Those books and you're, and you're pulling, am I correct in saying that, um, you've pulled some of the, uh, knowledge from those books that are like from the BC area and used that in your book? My particular book, um, has been, it's not a book on dream interpretation. This is the first book. Ever printed interpreting dreams.

36:32 This book that I have in my hand is from 1539 and it is talking about one of the greatest dream interpreters and there has been somebody who translated the book I just showed you. It is a book by Artemidorus and I have the English translation here. Artemidorus was about 100 A. D. And this book, Interpretation, is so funny because it says, If you had a dream that you were flying on Pegasus to have a dinner with Zeus, this is what, this is what the dream means.

37:12 Or, you and Diana, the great huntress, were out on a date, and so, Dream Interpretation, It goes back, there's biblical references of individuals in the Bible who had dreams and it changed the course of the world and their religion. It is as old as time. My book is not going to be another book on dream interpretation because literally, and we have them here, there are hundreds of books that say a car means this, a house means this, the first level, the kitchen.

37:53 I am showing that there is a design to the dreams, that if you look carefully, they are in different topics. And my whole last book is my discoveries and where I was guided all over the world through the dreams that I mentioned to receive information, uh, who it is, what it is, actual physical people. Lost healing devices. I'm going to throw a little tune in here. The Reif microscope, the most powerful microscope that ever existed that has been lost.

38:33 I was guided by dreams to, to go there. So my book is not simply, okay, if you have a horse, it means this, and a dog means that, but I believe it does have a value in broadening somebody's perspective. Emerson said, When I find narrow viewpoints, I find narrow reading. So let's just say, let's extrapolate that and say, if my experiences are limited, that's all I know. But if I have experiences that make me go, Oh, wow, this is possible, Rather than pooh pooh this, let's go back to the analogy of Plato's cave, and, and the people in the cave thinking the whole reality was what they saw against the wall.

39:30 And when they turn around, it's a whole, it's a whole different existence. So, that is why I, I'm doing what I'm doing. People are never going to have my exact experience. But I'm trying to share with people, and thankfully, because of you, that, hey, anything is possible with, with these dreams. And when I interact with people, they go, Steve, my dreams are always silly, I don't remember them. Okay. So are mine, but if you honestly go out and, and, and say, I would like guidance, whether you're talking to yourself or you think you're talking or talking with angels or God, just try it, just see what comes through.

40:22 Perhaps, I'm sitting here with two pages of the greatest names in the history of the world in everything I told you, literature, politics, religion, sports, Jack Nicklaus going, Gee, in my dream I received the perfect way of changing my putting stands. Whatever, your life will become, um, brighter, more beautiful, and when you're intent, is for the highest and best, which, which I hope will end our segment with, my, my philosophy of life. You are going to get good things.

41:03 But if somebody's negative and, and on, on the downside, you know, the National Enquirer, I don't know if it still exists, but it was big during my life, said, if you want to have dreams about skiing, read book, read, read, read, just everything but skiing. Uh, uh, everything about skiing and your dreams are going to be, and that's true, but that's like using a DVR and programming it instead of a telephone. Hmm. I, you hit on something and I want to elaborate on that. I can see someone saying, well, If you have prophetic dreams Why don't you dream about the lottery?

41:45 And I I have a story and I want to know what your thoughts are on that because you mentioned something of Your highest good and I think this aligns with that. I was talking to somebody this was years ago and they said that their brother had a dream of the lottery numbers and they were so excited they um They played the numbers, and um, I don't play the lottery like that, so I don't know how it works. There's different ways, and I don't know what it was like back then, but all I know is that they had all the right numbers. But it was an exact reverse, so they didn't win the jackpot.

42:27 And I'm like, what a freaking tease and why? And it reminds me of your highest goods. So what are your thoughts on that? Uh, I have several, first of all, I've never even gone there because that has never been my goal in life, uh, to win money or to change the beautiful things that have happened throughout. So I've, I have been. interested more in this vein. How can I be a better person? How can I be more helpful to people in the world and then wait for input versus saying, give me this.

43:14 I want that because, uh, that just hasn't been in my parlance or, or thought of manipulating or forcing anything. Uh, although it was my sports background of really working and working and working out and pushing, I was a sprinter. But in this esoteric, metaphysical, spiritual realm you get more by relaxing. By just saying, okay, what do you have for me? So that has been my approach rather. Now the other thing is, I said I have several things to Virtually everybody who's won that lottery, you can read how they went bankrupt and their life changed dramatically, sometimes within a year, sometimes longer.

44:08 It changes your whole projectory of what happens in your life. And if it is true that we have guidance, which I personally believe we have extreme guidance, everybody has their own guide mechanisms, which are Whatever you, energy patterns, spirits that are around supporting, helping there, they know what is the best for your guidance. Now, if so, I, I'll say this. If I had a dream that said, go, go to the top of my balcony here and jump off to prove you can levitate, well, I'm not listening like that.

44:51 I'm not involved with that because seriously for me, that does not fit into. Beauty, love, truth. That is looking to, um, uh, be, be famous or be a show off or, or prove. I, I just don't come from that. Now, can someone get lottery numbers? I'm sure. I, I, I could never speak for somebody else. Maybe it's their life path. They went a lot of money and they're going to help a lot of people. So I'm not saying it's impossible. But for me personally, and what you said with, you used a great word. What a frigging tease. Can you imagine kind of having it, but you don't have it well, maybe it was a good lesson for that person that chasing after that sort of thing.

45:44 Is not really their highest and best. So I don't know if I've answered it directly. Is it possible? Yes. What do I think about it? I just don't go there. My life is so rich with just listening, just listening to what's coming through has led me to investigate things all over this planet that came through the dreams. Can you imagine like my dream with the library? We would now like you to study Marsilio Ficino. Or Paracelsus. I didn't know of these people before. It wasn't programmed in my mind from school.

46:25 Yeah. And I started investigating and what starts is one shelf in a bookcase of these books ends up to be 15, 000 books and 30, 000 PDFs going back because that's this library. 30, 000 PDFs dating to 1501 And 15, 000 books dating to 1492. That is a lot of books. It's a lot of books. And that's why I, I don't know about you, but that's why I don't have hair anymore. For that off reading. And yeah, the hair follicles just blew out of my head.

47:09 Oh my God. And you make me want to learn about, uh, how to speed read just to get through. Right. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. So, what are your thoughts? So, well, first, thanks for answering the question. Um, I agree with you on that. Your highest good, chase after it. Um, it's in alignment. If it's not in alignment with your highest good, it probably won't be in alignment of any type of guidance. Um, but That's very well said. Thank you, sir. What you just said is very well said. What are your thoughts on Dreams and meditating, um, can it work with like, what are your, what are your thoughts about dreams?

47:55 And what are your thoughts on meditating and how they can collide to possibly work with each other? Well, I, of course, meditation, uh, I believe if we just look at it in its most simplest aspect, it is sitting quietly. Now, a lot of people in the Western world try to force meditation. The eastern techniques which you and I are not trained about in the east Uh, maybe it's a little different now But they're not sitting there in sports day and night and running and doing there. It's It's something that is part of their philosophy their environment their culture Is to meditate for us.

48:37 We're always freaking active. We're always on the move and so if we think of meditation more of Slowing down, quieting down, but not having to put yourself in pretzel figures, you know? It reminds me, when I got, I'm sorry I'm digressing slightly, but I remember Uh, when I got into this field and I'm looking at this culture and Eastern philosophy, I worked for three years to get into a lotus position, just from muscles and running track to where I could do it. And I remember doing it to one of my buddies who didn't know anything about this. He goes, Wow.

49:19 And in one nanosecond, he just went into a perfect lotus position after not ever doing it. But I had carried my thing of sports of being good. into that eastern way. I'm gonna get into that lotus position even if it kills me. We don't need that. Meditation should be just sitting in a chair, um, just being quiet. There's something called a walking meditation in the east which is great where you breathe, you take steps. So what do I think about meditation? I think slowing down, getting in quietude.

50:01 is incredible. Would it help in your dreams? Absolutely. Because you'll find you're able to go to sleep easier. You're not sitting there carrying all the vibrations of the day, um, and, and working through that. So yes, it is something that, uh, I think the two resonate together, uh, but you don't need one necessarily for the, for the other. But, Let's face it, relaxing, um, what, what it will do for your physical body, uh, your, your mental space. And it isn't unusual that some of these great thinkers and, and scientists, and I, I'm trying to remember if you said your audiences, um, electronic guys, engineers, they would be shocked to know some of the people in their field that took a one or two hour break during the day Which they may call it a power Something or other they end up doing their best work Because they've learned to still their mind and just listen and I guarantee you They weren't looking for the lotto numbers.

51:18 They were looking for an answer to a complex Now if somebody wants to say well it came from another part of their mind. I don't have a problem with that either You It doesn't matter where it comes from, what matters is how it, how it affects your life and what it does for you. So whether I call it my over self or over soul or, or angels or spirits or God, to get in arguments with people about where it's coming from, I think the proof is better in the pudding. How has it made you a better person?

52:01 And if it's made you a better person, to me it's a positive. If somebody takes these things and is Jack the Ripper and going out and manipulating people, that's not a very good positive aspect. Again, my opinion. I was gonna say, uh, I think in the Bible there's a part where Jesus says you can tell, um, The quality of it. I'm probably butchering it, but you can tell the quality of a tree by the fruits. It bears Yes, so basically what you're saying is yeah pay attention to the fruits of your experiences whether it's meditation or dreams And if it's a rotten experience pay attention and There could be a maleficent source going on there Absolutely for sure and and it's gonna come we're gonna be fed There's an old saying, behest you angels, and angels you get, and behest you devils, and that's what you draw to yourself.

53:04 We are going to draw the vibrations that resonate with us, and this is why in my experience, and people, Oh, this area, it's, it's horrible, and the vibrations are bad, and there's evil forces there, and I'll accompany these people, and none of that's there, and they'll turn around and go, Steve was there. I said, look, I just brought light into this place. You're looking at creepy things which are part of your imagination. Do they exist? Yes. How can we say that things in our imagination don't really exist when we're recognizing them?

53:46 So it's the old thing that's the butterfly dreaming it's a human or it's a human dreaming it's a butterfly. Everything has a reality in our reality. And that's why if somebody says they see something, I may not see it, but they see it. So can you, can one say it doesn't exist? I mean, we're being esoteric here, but it has an existence. Because they, they see it or imagine it in our physical reality here. But now we're getting deeper into esoteric concepts, but that's what I believe.

54:26 No, I like that, and I appreciate you took it there, um, because I know someone's thinking about that. And, um, There's something that I wanted to mention. Uh, I guess we'll, I'll circle around to it. I guess the one thing I wanted to mention is, um, as I help people with getting connect closer to their inner voice of knowing and understanding and calming them down. Um, as I, as I am certified in immersive meditation and guided meditation, I see a lot of what I understand, In dreams being incorporated in my conversations, and I I do see the crossover and I appreciate you elaborating on that as well.

55:08 And I see it as, um, I actually have a telecommunications background. So I'm thinking about cell phones and, you know, Oh, you need to get the next phone. It's the, you know, It's, we're going from 3G to 4G, and now 4G to 5G, right? And outside of the whole EMF stuff, um, just thinking about the pureness of how that works, the higher the frequency, right, the, the faster it is, and, uh, the more information you have access to, and that you can process. And when you fill yourself with garbage, low level, disharmonic frequencies, thought forms, right? You're going to pull your capacity to process life, yourself, as a person, down.

55:53 And doing things like meditation will, you know, Speed up and, you know, the analogy would be take you to 6G. Some people are at 7G. Those people we don't see as often. They're in the mountains somewhere, so they don't want to deal with you. Um, and then I feel like dreams is kind of like shutting down anything below 7G. But because it's not functional for you in your waking life, it's like getting you access to 5G and up. While you're sleeping because you're not processing anything, but then for you to understand it when you wake up, it's got to make sense somehow, right? It's, it's, it's, it's using, you know, 3, 4, 5, whatever you use during the day to grasp the information that you're accessing.

56:42 And then when we wake up, and if you're journaling like you and I, you've done it for a lot more years than me. Uh, You, you try to write down Whatever makes sense, right and let's go with that Yes, am I like good with that analogy? Yes, and and people have to realize because one thing we haven't addressed is people say what about what about nightmares? and spooky things and You've got to realize that, again, it's very, very symbolic. And if you die in a dream, it's not that you're going to die. It means you're dying into a higher consciousness. Now, I'm going to share some things, but it's, with dream interpretation, but that's not in my book.

57:24 But one of the greatest books, I believe, on Good Simplistic Dream Interpretation is Dreams, Your Magic Mirror by L. C. C. Christ, where she took, uh, symbology out of the Edgar Cayce, uh, readings. Edgar Cayce was an incredible, uh, mystic and one of the most documented, um, mystics of all time with his accuracy. Uh, that book, Dreams, Your Magic Mirror, is interesting because it says if you have a dream of a German shepherd, let's say, it will have one meaning, but if you are a policeman who works, I, I don't know what to call it, with the, with the police dogs, It's going to mean something slightly different.

58:13 So I like that book because it's not just saying this is what it is all the time. However, throughout history and all of the world, a house generally is meant states of consciousness. And cars, for some, mean the physical body, the vehicle that's driving. So if things are falling apart on your car, a wise person will say, Jeez, maybe I better take a look at what I'm doing, what I'm eating, how my body is going. And of course, the greatest reoccurring dream of all time. We're in school again. And we're not prepared for the subject.

58:55 And you see the clock almost to the hour, and you look down at your paper, and you have nothing. It's like I've had that. I'm screwed. I am, it just, it's referring to the preparation in our life and it may be referring to some, something in our field that we haven't quite addressed. So there are universal dreams, but I'm talking even beyond those basic symbolic dreams that we have. A telephone to all dimensions, all levels.

59:36 I like that analogy. It's a telephone to connect you, but it's more than just your phone. It's like you, right? Teleportation, virtual, and all that. That's true. Trying to figure out and fit the universe in your mind. Back to that analogy, I, that's one thing I wanted to elaborate on. I like that story of the madman trying to put the ocean in a hole so he could see the bottom versus trying to fit the universe in your mind. And my, what I saw that As immediately was, um, you have extremes in society right now where you have somebody that just wants to, um, live a good, let's say, live a good life.

1:00:23 You have somebody that wants to, like, you have the seeker, right, that wants to know and get to the bottom of everything. And then you have the person that, um, I guess the madman would be to, I think, I guess the opposite of that, which would be, you don't care, maybe you're just chasing after the superficial stuff. I don't know. Right? And everybody is on the extreme, on the opposite ends, and the people that are happier, usually right in the middle, like they're just flowing with it, they're accepting it as it goes. They're living in the moment. Right, exactly. They're living in the moment, where the person is getting all the water out of the Mediterranean, That's going to be a lot of work, and you can say down the line, he's going to see his hole's not big enough, so then he's got to put in a deeper hole, and one thing and another, never realizing, geez, the water is there, and the blue green is not the bottom, it's the reflection of the light with, with the water molecules.

1:01:23 Um, but my basic philosophy, and the philosophy of the ancients, is the earth is a schoolroom. And you have various states of awareness. I don't want to use the word levels, but for people, you've got grade 1 through 6. Well, a 6th grader could look at a 1st or 2nd grader and go, What, what is this person doing? He's got, doing this, it's stupid. He's pulling the pigtails of the girl in front of him. Um, you have such a variety. of states of awareness on this earth plane. And in my parlance, when somebody learns the dynamics of what you're here to learn on the earth, you graduate, but you have so many gradations of awareness on this planet that there's people, they don't care, they'll kill other humans, they'll kill animals, and then you got people, oh my gosh, there's an ant.

1:02:22 I'm not gonna take that life away from this ant or this spider. We're all in this reality at the same time, and that's why I don't believe it's a one shot deal. I'm sorry. It's not one and done here. It is a schoolroom where you learn lessons through challenges and opportunities that come into your sphere. This is how we grow, but how a first or second or third grader is going to face a challenge versus, and it used to be one through six, I don't know what the school's like, but for me it was one through six, and then seven through nine, and ten through twelve, but the point is, you have different states of awareness in the same sphere And people are never, I'm sorry, going to be thinking exactly the same when certain things take experience and just maturity.

1:03:22 I'm not saying someone can't become instantly mature, but you're not going to have the whole culture, the whole planet, instantly, magically become college students. Um, which is why I don't ascribe to the belief that something magically is going to happen on Earth. We're all going to have incredible awareness. I think it's a beautiful thought, but that would be the equivalent of somebody coming to an elementary or junior high and going, You are now all college students. Right. It just, in the reality of the, uh, curriculums was easier for you to pass. In my opinion. That's a whole other, uh, Um, now let's say if anybody's still listening, we're an hour in, if anybody's still listening, it means that they're like more, more, more, more, more.

1:04:17 So, um, I want to, uh, offer you, you mentioned a couple of things, uh, any, any tips from your perspective on anybody listening right now that's really curious about their dreams. Maybe they started a little bit of, uh, uh, journaling or maybe they're like, I don't, I don't really dream at all. And I have a hard time remembering them. Any, maybe any, a couple of tips for anybody that's sticking around right now? Well, science has proven everybody dreams an average of six dreams a night, whether you remember it or you don't. And if their sleep is interrupted, uh, they will have eight or nine to make up for the ones that they did not have.

1:04:59 Uh, I have a very simple philosophy of life. And it came to me in a dream, so this would be a good way for us to sign off. It was right before a lecture that I was going to be giving in Sedona, and I had the following dream. I was walking along with all the truth seekers of the world. They weren't following me, we were walking together. And in the distance I saw a woman dressed in blue holding a microphone. And there was a fog or smoke that was kind of covering her. And as I got close with everybody, it was the goddess Sophia, the goddess of wisdom. And to my right or her left were horseshoe stands with people who've written books, and seminars, and multi level courses.

1:05:48 Smoke was coming and fog out of their mouths, covering absolute truth. Now I'm not saying they were wrong, I'm just saying they were covering. And I thought, what are us people supposed to do if they are partially covering? And a big wind blew off the ocean, and this is a true dream. And I heard the following, All that one needs To reach greater enlightenment is a beautiful heart, an open mind, and a humble spirit. You don't need the courses. You don't need them. A beautiful heart, an open mind, and a humble spirit.

1:06:31 And it's done with love, with compassion. in love and through love. And so I created this little coin just as a reminder of that, which I have a little necklace and I hand them out to, uh, to people who I feel exemplify that. We do not need the gurus. We do not need anything, but to be coming from the highest place You just said it. You're going to vibrate and draw to you beauty and love and truth. And if we're looking to manipulate or control, guess what? You're going to draw all of those vibrations.

1:07:14 It was Manly P. Hall, a great philosopher, who said, Whatever you resonate to, you're going to attract. So if you are a negative, down person, you will draw all of that negativity from your local area, city, state, country, world, universe. All the negativity will vibrate like a tuning fork, and that's what you will draw. So, a beautiful heart, an open mind, and a humble spirit, and Or as Paracelsus in the 1500s said, You want to learn about any herb or plant?

1:07:57 Sit quietly, humbly in front, and just ask, Can you share with me the attributes that will be the most helpful for me or other people? And they will be. Speak to you. Wow. And yes, and cool. And wow. No, I like it. Cool. I'm like, right after this call, I'm going to go outside and talk to my dying plants. There you go. Sorry. How can I help you?

1:08:39 And it will work. But again, that guy was from the 1500s and Pythagoras was 500 BC. So I am not sharing anything that Steven Ross other than. Maybe somebody else had that dream, but that dream. Everything else I've shared is the wisdom teachings of all time. Wow. Wow, thank you for coming on. I mean, I appreciate you going and following with me in these rabbit holes and um questioning and discovering um So I I said it a couple of times like one thing here two things here. No Um, so as we close, I love that story.

1:09:21 I love closing with that um now that we're at the very very end, I want to give everybody a sneak peek at what uh, You You what we want to do for um part two of the return And you hinted at it, which was part of your journey included getting exposure to Let's say forgotten. Let's say for, uh, hidden technology that's frequency based and, uh, a key name in there is Rife and the technology, technology, Rife technology.

1:10:01 Are you still down to do a part two and dive into that? Yes, absolutely, because we will tell the true story of Royal R. Rife. His universal microscope and why he died in the 70s and virtually every one of these machines that have built Should not be using the name reif because he did not build them And they are not following his original frequencies And we will share because I not only Have had his original universal reif microscope But as you know We currently have his Laboratory logbook of frequencies, and when you and I do this next time, it's going to be all, all original material from the 1920s and 1930s without the advertising hype and the misstatements that a lot of people have made calling themselves Rife frequency devices or other names, but I'm excited.

1:11:09 Can't wait. Sounds good. John, thank you so much. I never take these, uh, interviews for granted. I appreciate you. I hope your audience realizes you are expanding their awareness and that's why I enjoy doing that. And I wish you and your audience, um, a great day. You too. Thank you so much for coming on.