EP 105 Neuroscience and Overcoming Limiting Beliefs | Liam Naden

0:00 Have you ever felt like you're working harder than ever, but life still feels out of balance? What if unlocking true success meant overcoming your own limiting beliefs and transforming your lifestyle? Today, we're talking with Liam Naden, a neuroscience and psychology expert who has helped countless people achieve personal and professional breakthroughs. Together, we'll explore how to unlock your brain's full potential, create lasting balance and thrive in both life and business. You're listening to the new age human podcast, where we dive into metaphysical insights and practical tools to help you unlock your potential and thrive in a changing world.

0:42 I'm Jon Anastasio. And as a serial entrepreneur, since 2006, I've had to overcome my own inner struggles and limiting beliefs to where today I'm building a top 10 podcast, highlighting the Thought leaders worldwide and a growing business using immersive meditation and lifestyle changes to help professionals like you manage uncertainty and navigate a divided world so you can thrive in the new age. Now, if you're interested in learning about how to overcome limiting beliefs and transform your life style, stay tuned for today's episode. Liam, welcome to the show. Thanks for coming on, man. Thanks, Jonathan. Thanks for having me. A pleasure, my friend. A pleasure.

1:22 You, you offer a wealth of knowledge, especially with Neuroscience like that's very like brain associated, very cerebral and then connecting that with spirituality. This should be an interesting show today. Um, but before we get into all the things that you do, I think a lot of us would like to know why and why not. Where did that, like, why, why this, why, why are you doing this now? What, what, what is, what's, what was your calling? And maybe hopefully we learn about your calling. We can spark some other people's callings as well. Yeah. Well, it's a great question because, um, how do we end up doing the things we do in our life?

2:06 But I guess for me, it was a few years ago now. And I remember I was sitting in my home office and I'd created this wonderful life. Really? I was a multimillionaire. Finish building a new new home in the countryside view of the mountains and things were going well in my life, you know, I had plenty of money. I had the freedom had nice stuff. I had the freedom to travel. But instead of I remember this moment and I was sitting, I just gone into the office in the morning. And I was sitting there, and instead of feeling great, instead of saying my life is amazing, I felt absolutely terrible. I was just at breaking point.

2:48 And I just had an argument with my wife, you know, and I opened my email, and I can't remember exactly what it was, but it was just more stuff coming at me. Problems. The businesses weren't going too well. They were going through a bit of a tough time. I had multiple businesses that I owned at the time that I managed from home. My marriage was going very badly, but I just remember thinking, you know, this isn't what I signed up for. I've really worked all my life. getting out there, setting goals, really working hard and really studying how to be successful with, you know, visualizing and, and really being motivated to do everything.

3:29 And I should be happy. I should be really grateful for everything I've got. And the other thing is, um, I shouldn't have all the stress and problems, but it's just like everything was weighing down on me. And a few things were, I was going through my mind. This is awful. This isn't this is horrible. You know, I didn't. Is this what my life's really about? And I remember having this thought, I can't take it anymore. And I thought, you know, really don't know if it's a voice or just I came up with this idea that I want to just get rid of all this. I want to throw all of this away. It's just not worth the effort anymore. There's too much stress.

4:10 There's too much struggle. And even the good things that I should be able to enjoy, the things I've worked for, really nice home, all these things. I'm not enjoying them because it's just too many problems, too much stress. And I don't feel in control. I don't know how to tie it all together and make it all work. So anyway, and I thought, you know, I would really rather, I'd be quite happy to get rid of all of this as long as I don't lose my soul, because there's a voice in me that said, you know, what would you rather do, would you rather. lose everything or lose your soul because it almost felt like I would have to lose everything to get my soul back. My soul wasn't, was no longer in me. Now, the funny thing was, you have to be a bit careful what you think and what you wish for because it was literally weeks later.

4:56 But I did lose everything. It all collapsed in one big heap. You know, my marriage went all of the, my home, my businesses, they literally all just collapsed not overnight, but within a few, a few weeks. That's just a short period of time. Jeez. It is. Yeah. It really just collapsed all at once. And I ended up having to move out and with literally nothing more than a few clothes on my back and move in with my elderly mother. And sleep on the sofa and in the living room of her small apartment. Now I was in my forties and she was in her seventies. She used to go out to work just to pay for food to get for me, because I had nothing, I had no, absolutely nothing and no prospects and no idea how to, how to get out of the mess that I'd created.

5:45 But you know, a funny thing sort of happened with all of that, because after that experience. I rebuilt my life and things started to come together in quite a different way. And so I rebuilt my wealth again, I started to set up new businesses. And I started, and I found a new relationship, or should I say, a new relationship seemed to find me. I found this amazing person for a romantic relationship. And then I started to do all these crazy things, like travel around the world on my own yacht, which I did for eight years. So I was actually living this lifestyle where I could manage my businesses anywhere in the world from my yacht.

6:28 I was in a great relationship. I was traveling to really exciting places. And I remember thinking, how has this happened? Because one of the things that didn't, that wasn't there was the stress and the problems. And I thought, this is really great. I'm, I'm feeling, you know, what, what happened to this idea that to be successful in life, you have to put up with problems and stress and, and, and lots of things going wrong. Because what I noticed when I started to rebuild my life in this process was that things were happening in quite a different sort of way. So I'd meet people out of the blue who incidentally, who turned out to be really helpful, right? Or this business opportunity would show up or.

7:11 You know, and we'd think of them as like coincidence or luck or synchronicity, but it was like they were too frequent. It was like this was something more to it than luck. And I said to myself. I want to figure out what's different, because now I'm really living and feeling like I'm living my life purpose. And most importantly, the thing I'd really found was balance. You know, I found a great relationship, great income, great businesses that I love to work on, great lifestyle. For me, it was travel. For me, you know, sailing and um, And doing other things as well. So I thought, how has all this come together? How have I managed to create this life balance where I don't feel that I'm sacrificing one area of my life to achieve in another area, and I'm not feeling it's like a juggling act and I'm overwhelmed with stress and problems.

8:01 So really what I did was I went on a mission for myself. To figure out what was going on. Because there was something very different going on. And I'm not talking about some sort of spiritual stuff. Because it didn't quite feel like that. But it also was something more than just my own effort. You know, I wasn't getting visions or, you know, angels weren't appearing to me. But I knew that something else was in control of my life, something else was running it. So I went on a mission to figure out what that actually was. Because for a start, I didn't want to mess it up. I wanted to make sure that whatever I was doing, and I was doing something differently, I wanted to make sure that I kept doing it. And it sounds like if I were to cut you off, it sounds like the word that comes to my mind right now was, and is synchronicity.

8:49 Because before, when you were, when you had that, a lot, an abundance of material success and then things were not aligned, it doesn't sound like you ran into a lot of synchronicity at that point of your life. A lot of it was you doing all, a lot of the, the grunt work, right? And then, now, when you, Lost it and you're coming now into a different direction Yeah, like dominoes. It sounds too good to be true, right? And like you said, it sounds like felt like when you're when you're in your passion things just fall into place Which is like very freaky and the word I use the because I know myself I can just say you know What this is too good to be true And if you're like me and you watched a lot of movies growing up You Whenever things are like hunky dory, that's like the beginning of the movie and you're like, this is the everybody's too nice The husband and wife are too good for each other something bad is gonna happen It's like that that that just there's something in your throat that it just feels wrong And I feel like the word synchronicity helps me Accept it.

10:06 I'm like, alright, let's just blow with it. So I like how you were like, let's let's flow with it And let's continue with it. And I think that's what makes separates you from a lot of people because a lot of people don't feel comfortable with everything falling into place because it feels too good to be true. Well, what I discovered was you're absolutely right. It is about synchronicity. Well, that's one way of one way we would describe it. But here's the thing. Yes, I had a bit of synchronicity in my old life, the stressed life. But this was this was more than synchronicity. Because I think the problem is when we think of synchronicity, we think it's something outside of our control. And we think, well, you know, maybe good things might happen occasionally or once in a while and you're sort of hoping things, things will happen.

10:52 But that's not actually really what I discovered. That's not actually how it works. This thing we call synchronicity actually has a biological foundation. It's, it's, it's tied up with the way nature or way life is actually structured to be. And we just think of, think of it as synchronicity. And it hardly ever happens for most of us because we don't understand the process of how we create synchronicity in our life. And that's what I went on a mission to discover because I thought, you know, I mean, I've done all of the meditation and the visualization and the changing the beliefs and being positive thinker and goal setting and, you know, visualization boards and the law of attraction.

11:34 And. All of these, um, spiritual and, and psychological and self help methods, if you like. But the problem I found with all of those was that didn't really take me to this point of things flowing, because it was about being in the flow, but things showing up on a regular basis. What they really did was keep me in the state of anticipation and stress and trying to make things happen. Interesting. So I want, I wanted to understand there's, there's got to be. Something scientific about the way synchronicity works. There has to be something practical that I'm doing. That's creating these opportunities in this, this way of living in my life.

12:16 I can't think it's just this idea of just letting go and allowing it to happen. Because the, one of the problems with that idea is that we never do it because we don't, we, you know, so we say, yes, just let go and allow it to happen. It's hard to let go. Well, it's only hard because we don't understand what it actually is. We don't know. We just think this is a, that it's a question of faith, you know, Oh, just, you know, let go and everything will work out, but that we'd have no certainty about that. So it makes us feel stressed. So that's why it never works. So I wanted to find out the, that had to be a physical biological component to why I was getting such different results. And really, when I started to uncover this, what I found was.

13:00 It was incredibly simple. It was, and it was so obvious. that I wondered why I'd never seen it before. But because it's so simple and because it's so obvious, I think they're the very reasons why we don't see it. Why most people, why I hadn't seen it before, because it's like, no, life's difficult. Life's hard. You have to work on it. You have to struggle. You have to, you know, overcome challenges. You have to expect to work hard and to, to struggle. So when you expect that you're not looking at another place where the obvious is showing itself to you. Because even if you look in the natural world, you know, we're not very good at this as humans.

13:41 We're too busy in our thoughts, trying to figure stuff out on our computers, working on our business, working on our relationship, working on our health, trying to get some more information about. The next best thing we need to do to improve ourselves. You mentioned earlier about coffee and water and you know, you can, I'm sure you can read, you can spend your life reading books about why coffee is bad or why it's good and what sort of water you need to drink and all that sort of thing. But we miss the obvious, which is if you just stop and look around, there's a natural harmony and natural order to everything. That's not based on trying to figure stuff out. I mean, even our body. 99. 999 percent of the things that happen in our body, we have no concept about, we're not thinking about, we're not aware of.

14:27 But it all just happens perfectly. You know, our heart keeps beating. We keep breathing and all the Trillions of processes that are happening inside our body every second. We're not paying any attention to that, but that's reality That's what's going on. It's far more real than what's going on in our thoughts trying to figure stuff out So that's where I really started was thinking I need to look Where it led me if you like was to look in the natural world. How do things work and operate naturally? You That's the place to start to figure out, if you like, how to create a natural life, which is really what it is. I mean, synchronicity and things flowing and good things happening. That's the way of nature. It's not struggle.

15:08 And a lot of, um, the success we had with, we have with our inventions is a reflection and our, uh, A attempt to mimic nature, right? Like the helicopters, I, from what I heard is us attempting to mimic a dragon fly. It's not going to be as good because, uh, we didn't create the dragon fly, but as we learn more and more about it, we get more and more amazing understanding of how we can mimic or work with it. So I like the direction that you're going with going, going to nature and understanding, um, getting answers from that. Yeah.

15:51 Yeah, that's, um, what you're referring to. It's a, there's a whole body of research called biomimicry where they literally look at the natural world and, and see what, as you say, what works to apply it to maybe something we can use from a technological point of view, such as the movement of birds or, you know, whatever it might be. Very interesting. So your, your journey into figuring out like how to, you, you, you've been, On that journey of harnessing the, I guess the laws of nature when it comes to synchronicity and a word that popped up as you're talking about that journey.

16:32 I'll let you continue, but I want to just highlight the word certainty. And I feel a lot of people hold themselves back because they need a high level of certainty before they move forward. So I'm curious how you worked with that on your journey of figuring out how to take advantage and I guess take ownership of that world of making things happen so it flows. So please continue with. Your journey into figuring out like what exactly did you figure out to get into that flow state to, to, to flow, so to speak.

17:17 Well, you're right in using that word certainty because it is based on certainty. I didn't want to do any of more of the stuff where it was based on faith, you know, or maybe, you know, you have to believe this. And if you don't believe it, if it doesn't make any sense to you, well, then you're the problem. But you, but this is the truth and you have to believe it. And, and that works for some people for sure. I know for some people that work majority on faith, but as you said, it doesn't work for everybody. Well actually I don't think it works for anybody because the distinction I'm making, what is faith? Faith is certainty. Or, or it's, if faith is certainty, then it's not really faith. It's understanding. So do you have faith that, um, your heart's going to keep beating?

18:01 You don't have faith. You have certainty. You know it's going to. But unfortunately, most people, what, the way they, They don't really have faith. It's hope. They hope things are going to work out, and they say, I believe, but they don't really. So where I wanted to go was not based on uncertainty. I wanted to stick with some facts. I wanted to make sure, because I knew I was getting results this way, and I knew the results I'd previously got. So I to know, on a factual basis, on a knowing certainty basis, The truth about this, about what's going on. And so I thought, well, what can I know for certain about the natural world, the biological world about who, about who I am and how I'm structured and how I'm operating.

18:46 And the first thing I discovered that we know for certain is that we live in a biological world. We live in a biological body and we're all wired and designed like every other biological animal or creature to live. And we're governed by the laws of nature. I mean, we're governed by things like gravity, you know, you can have all the fancy ideas in the world, but if you walk out a 10 story building, you're going to fall down. It doesn't matter if you believe or hope or have faith that you might fly in the air, you're not going to. So I know that for certain we're all governed by the laws of nature. The other thing I know about nature for certain is that all of life is primarily wired for one thing.

19:28 It's all designed to achieve one primary goal. Whether it be a one cell organism or a microbe to, you know, human beings. Everything biological is wired for one primary purpose, and that is to survive. To ensure that it survives. And the way that it ensures it survives, or what gives it the best chance for survival, is being the best that it can be. So all of nature is designed, this is a certainty, to strive to be the best that it can be so that it has the greatest chance for survival. And there are many scientists who've talked about this, biological scientists, and come to that conclusion that that is the purpose of all life, is to survive for as long as it can, and in the best way possible, by being the best that it can be, because of course that is what gives the species the greatest chance of survival.

20:18 for survival as well. So knowing that I knew that well, that's for certain. The next thing I knew for certain is that part of human survival, part of being the best that we can be is being happy because part of being our best isn't just physically being our best. It's also emotionally and mentally being our best because and we know this on a practical level. When you feel good mentally and emotionally, you're a lot more productive. Your body operates in a much more efficient way. You're much better at resisting disease or healing from anything. So, this all comes down to actually what's wired into us biologically as part of our purpose is to be happy.

21:01 So if being happy is part of our biological wiring, then why aren't we? You know, because it doesn't make biological sense to have problems and stress when we're designed not to because problems and stress actually stop us from being our best and they actually, you know, the research done on what stress does to shorten your life is very compelling. So I thought, so why aren't we all happy? Then and I thought, well, what makes us happy? How is nature wired to ensure that we're happy and successful? It's correct. Nature has created something for all living things to ensure that it does. It's a machine and it's called a brain and the primary or only purpose of a brain is to ensure that that The organism that it's attached to is the best that it can be so that it has the greatest chance for survival.

21:51 And that's what the human brain is doing constantly. Your brain is, our brain is doing constantly is figuring out ways to make sure that we continue to be the best that we can, can be. To have the greatest chance for survival, so it's not only regulating all of our physical functions, but it's also there to regulate our mental and emotional functions as well, which must mean it's designed to ensure that the right things happen in our life. For us to be fulfilled, happy, having balance and, and literally not having stress and problems being the best that we can be in every area. So these are all ideas or things that I thought, well, these are certain, I know these as facts and I've, it doesn't take a lot of research to discover that it's just common sense, really, that they're true.

22:38 So I thought, well, there can be only one reason. And again, I came up with this idea and researched and found it. It is true. Can be only one reason. Why we're not being the best that we can be, because I think, you know, it's like my old life. If anyone was to say to me, Liam, are you really reaching your full potential? You know, you look like you've got an amazing life. You've got multiple businesses. You've done these amazing trips around the world. And you've got a, I had a yacht in Fiji at one, at one time. And I had a house in the, in the Pacific islands. And I had, you know, holiday house and all this stuff. And I've done all this amazing things. And people looking at you would say, Hey. You are so successful, but it didn't feel successful because they had all of the stress and problems and all of these other things going on, right?

23:22 So why was I not successful? Why did I have problems when I've been working really hard for everything and a lot of things had gone right? Only one reason that I realized, and that was this machine that I've been given to make sure that everything works out the right way that I, Take the right actions that I set the right goals that I think the right ideas that I talk to the right people. I avoid the wrong people all and many other things besides this machine. I wasn't using it the right way. It was something about how I was operating it that was causing it to malfunction. And what happens when a machine malfunctions, you end up with problems.

24:03 That's the result. It's like any machine, a motor car. If you don't drive it the right way, you're going You're going to blow up the engine, or it's not going to get to where you want to go, or it's, it's, you're going to have problems. So that was what I realized. And when I started to combine, really, neuroscience is what you, which you mentioned at the beginning, with psychology and human behavior, the science of how the brain works, I could see there is a specific way we're designed to, the brain is designed to be used. Which will ensure that you don't have problems and there's another way that unfortunately most of us are using it without realizing that is the direct cause of problems in our life. Interesting. So the real solution is really to do nothing more than learn how to use your brain the right way, how to drive this machine and you don't need to focus on trying to solve the problems because that's what happened to me.

24:55 All of the problems I had, they just went away, and I, and I didn't replace them with any more. I replaced them with good stuff. So it's like, you know, this, yeah. I was gonna say, what's the, what's, what would you say is the correct way to use this machine, this logic device known as the brain? Because you were out of survival. You were thriving, uh, with a lot of, um, Like you said, uh, from the boat in Fiji to, and I say boat, but it was a yacht, um, to, to multiple businesses and, and, uh, uh, a holiday home. So you were out of survival and you were thriving and you were still not happy and things were falling apart.

25:38 And so I'm like, Hmm, interesting. So what is the correct way to use your brain? Yeah, well, it's interesting, isn't it? You say I was thriving. It's not how it felt. And I wasn't actually thriving. I was having some outward material, quote unquote, that we will label as success, the trappings of success, but that's not thriving. You had Instagram success. It looks nice, but behind the camera. How many of us, I'm sure people listening or watching would be relating to this and saying, you know, yeah, I should, there's a lot more in my life I should be grateful for. I shouldn't be feeling all stressed if I'm looking at it, because sure, I've got problems.

26:21 Maybe I've got some big problems, but why is that stopping me from enjoying me, enjoying the things I've got in my life? You know, it's still probably, it made fruit. The fruit tastes bad. What's going on? Yeah, exactly. And that's what I couldn't figure out. So here's the thing about the brain. And this is actually so incredibly simple. And what I do is I teach people how simple this is. But it's because it's quite different to the way we've looked at it or thought about it. Um, it takes, sometimes it takes a little while to get it. But, but in essence, you've literally, you've almost got two brains going on in your head. There are two different parts of your brain that are designed to do different things.

27:03 Now, there's one part that is where your inspiration, your imagination, your creativity, your resourcefulness, your motivation, your intuition. It's when you get those little voices in your head, like the one that said to me, you know, maybe it'd be better if you, um, if you lost everything rather than lose your soul. You know, it's when, when we get that idea, I shouldn't be doing this. You know, how many people have we known? Maybe even ourselves, who've walked down the aisle and got married and thought, even when walking down the aisle, oops, I'm not sure I should, this is right. But we don't listen to that voice and we shut it down and we say, oh, you know, it'll be right. I'll make it happen and I'll succeed.

27:43 So where do all these things come from? This is also the part of the brain that has been described by creative people throughout history. Well, they've tried to understand what this part is because People who are like inventors or creators or even artists and musicians. They've said there's some other place where they get their ideas from. Right. Steve Jobs from Apple Computer. He talked about this a lot, where he said, and most people have actually have said, I just got these ideas, I don't know where they came from, but it's like I'd wake up in the morning and I'd see this thing in my head. It didn't come from trying to figure it out and trying to work it out and planning and structure. It just came from somewhere else, right?

28:25 You know, musicians, composers, it's interesting when you, when you read about, um, the creative process and there've been lots of songwriters. This is really fascinating. You can find them on YouTube when they're asked, where did you come up with the idea for that song? Where did you get that melody from that tune? And they always say no idea. It just came to me. So there's a part of your brain where all of that creativity, it's where, it's the part where you see opportunities, where you meet somebody, and again where synchronicity in all of its forms comes from as well. And when you're using that part of your brain, you are being the best that you can be. This is the state where we sometimes call being in the flow, being in the zone.

29:09 I mean, have you ever been in that situation where You're just doing something. Maybe you're reading a book or you're writing something or you're speaking to someone and it's like something it's just all flowing and it's going really well and you're really enjoying yourself. You're not putting in all a whole lot of effort and it's not struggle. It's just flowing along. You know, athletes talk about their peak performance where. It's like something is flowing. That's actually our natural creative state. That's when we're super productive. That's when we sit down and write a book in a week or whatever, and we look at it and say, that's really good. What I just wrote. I don't know where it came from, but that's really good. And you make a, I was going to say you help people get into that state.

29:49 It sounds like I do. And what, what's most important is I help people to realize that's our natural state and to stay in it. Pretty well, most of the time. And how do we get there? That's the difference. Well, it's by understanding there's another part of our brain that's, so when you realize that is your natural state, that this is a fact, a biological fact. Science has a word for this called homeostasis. Homeostasis means the optimum functioning of the organism. You are in homeostasis when you are in that state, when you're in the flow, you're putting an effort, but it's not struggle. But there's another part of our brain that keeps us in a struggle state.

30:30 And that's the part when we're stressed. And nothing's going right. And we can't figure it out. We're sitting there going, I don't know what to do. What's the answer? How do I figure this out? I just can't seem to get it. What, how do I get rid of this problem? Why is this not working? What do I want in my life? Why am I so unhappy? Is that the, uh, the, the reptilian part of the brain? The, is it medulla oblongata? It's what I call the survival brain. Yes, the survival brain, yep. Biologically, it's at the back of your head. And it's designed to help you survive. But what it does is that when you're using this state It's, it's there to fight off enemies.

31:13 It's there to protect you from threats and dangers, but it doesn't know anything about, it doesn't know anything about your higher purpose or solving problems in your life. All it knows how to do. It's like a 15 year old kid who's got, um, strong legs and strong arms. He's good at running away from danger and he's good at standing and fighting. That's all he's there to do to protect you from a danger. So, but most of us, what we're doing is we're staying stuck in that biological state. And we're trying to run our life from it, but it doesn't know how to run our life. All it knows, as I say, all it knows is how to, um, is how to run or fight, run away. Yeah. And when we're, the other most important thing to realize when we're essentially activated by something called the sympathetic nervous system.

31:58 Yes. And when we activate that state, how our brain is telling us. There is a threat to your survival. You don't need your creativity, imagination, resourcefulness, intuition, motivation. All you need to do is react, to fight and run. And we express this in so many different ways because, of course, when we're in this state, there is nothing to fight. It's all in our head and so we're, but our brain is telling us there's something to fight. So it's making us react. It's making us shout at people. It's making us make the wrong decisions because it has no awareness on what to do. So the trick. Yeah. Okay. You were just about to get there.

32:38 I'm like, how do we get there? Come on. I want to know. How do I get into a flow state? Well, how do you get people into the flow state? Well, it comes down to realizing what activates which part of the brain and what activates it is how you feel. It's done. This is done. Chemically. Another, so what happens in another part of your brain is that when it sees or thinks that there's a threat to your survival, it activates this part of your brain, the, the fighting part. Sometimes we call it fight flight. That's part of it. Um, and it shuts down the creative part of your brain. So what the switch is, what the trigger is, how, is how you feel. So whenever you feel stress, fear, worry, anxiety, whenever you feel negative, what's actually happening on a biological level, physically, to you, is you've activated this other part of your brain.

33:31 This very limited, shut down, only fight the negative, The lion that's behind the rock, runaway part of your brain and you've, you've shut down all of the other, other part. So what, so what we need to learn to do, and this is what I teach people, is how to stop activating that part of the brain, how to stop activating fear, stress, worry, and anxiety. And most people say, well, that's all we offer you. How you're telling me, well, just don't feel fear, stress, worry, and anxiety. But what about me with all my problems and stress in my life? It's actually quite simple. There is a way to deal with your problems, deal with, and to deal with the lack of balance in your life without being overtaken by this part of your brain.

34:14 And really, that's, um, this way, why I, what I do is show people how to do it. And then, much more often, you start using this part of your brain. And the irony is, if you've got problems, if you've got things that you're not happy about, if you don't have this perfect balance in every, every area of your life, which is what you're designed to have, Then if you use this other part of your brain, it's going to show you exactly what to do to solve the problems faster than you realize. Not just through your own actions, but through synchronicity. Sounds weird, but it's biological. So what are some tools, if you're willing to share, some tools that you use To help people get out of that, um, reptilian, that, uh, survival mindset, that fight or flight mindset, that frustration mindset, because there's a lot of distractions out there.

35:08 You turn on the TV, you put on the news, uh, social media, there's a lot of fear mongering. And yes, it's important to be aware, but at the same time, like you said, it's going to Kill your creativity, especially, especially if you're like a builder type. If you're a success driven person, you want to build whether it be an empire for your family financially or, um, uh, holistically health wise, whatever you're trying to build, it's going to. you know, it's going to require creativity, right? Especially again, if you're a leader, because then you have to overcome that stuff because everybody else is running through it. So what are some tools, um, that you could share to give people an idea of how, um, you help people avoid those things?

35:55 Well, you've actually, um, the answer to that, one of the answers is many different things you can do, many things you need to do. And a lot of these things come to come down to new habits, because We've actually developed the habit of being stuck in this part of the brain and not using the other part through the whole of our life through the way we've been taught the way life works through who we are and everything else. And you said something really interesting. That is a complete exact as an example of how that's completely untrue. But we just accept as true. And you say, Well, we know that watching the news is bad, but you have to be aware of these things.

36:36 That's what you said. And what I'm saying is, why do you have to be aware of it? You don't even know if what you're watching on the news is true or not. Usually it isn't. Very truthful as a statement. What you see on the news is somebody's interpretation of what they would like you to believe, usually. So the whole, so being aware, what do you need to be aware of? The thing you need to be aware of is who you actually are. And how you're designed to have all of the right things happen to you and for you at exactly the right time so that you live your biological purpose by being the best that you can be so that you have the greatest chance of survival, which means being in the flow, having all of the right things happen to you.

37:19 And that, you know, the interesting thing is I stopped watching the news when I became homeless and never watched it again after that mainstream. And isn't that funny? That's when my when my life really started to turn around was when I stopped. Having this need to fill my mind with negative stuff because that that is one of the if people want a tool or a, um, you know, quick technique and we're talking about a habit here and it's a little bit like if you want to lose weight, someone says, Well, what's a quick tip? Well, there is only one quick tip to losing weight, eat the right food, stop eating the wrong food and do some exercise. That's the tip. But doing it, It's not simple, not easy, is it?

38:00 It's simple, but it's not easy. So the quick tip is stop putting stuff into your brain that's going to make you feel bad, because that's going to activate the wrong part of your brain. That's it. So that's simple. Is it easy? Because people have all sorts of justifications. Well, there are two types of triggers, if you like, that make us feel bad. One is external triggers, and the other is internal triggers. And the external ones are easier to deal with. Um, but people have all sorts of justifications not to stop negative stuff coming in their life. So, you know, for example, I have to watch the news because I have to be aware of what's going on. That's that's one where I have to talk to that person, or I have to be in that relationship with that person, or I have to have that person in my life.

38:47 Because they're my wife or my husband or my employer or my employee, you know, I can't just dump them. So we have all these justifications for hanging on to things that aren't good for us in our life. And that don't serve us, they don't activate, enable us to activate what is essentially an infinitely powerful machine, our brain, to ensure that the right things happen. So that's the first thing we have to do is stop the negative stuff going in from the outside. And we can do that. You know, we can, even simple things. You're having a conversation with somebody and you don't like, you don't like talk to them or the subject you're talking about, you know, you're, it's not making you feel good.

39:29 You're talking about the election or the war or some war and some disaster that's bound to befall the human race, you know, and like every disaster, it's probably one that's never going to come true. None of them ever have. Um, you know, we're supposed to be, uh, yeah. When was it? 2012. I think all of the the ice caps were going to collapse and it was going to be so much CO2 in the atmosphere that we'd all be dead by 2012. So none of these things actually ever come true. But so you do have the choice. Not to put your focus and attention by being very mindful and saying, the most important thing is how's this making me feel the situation or this conversation or this, even just this thought, how's it making me feel?

40:14 And if it's not making you feel good, you've stopped. You've got to stop putting the fuel in. That's going to keep you stuck in the wrong part of your brain. Mm hmm. Yeah. No, I agree. I agree. And, right, it's that challenge of self management and like, I like what you said where it's all about knowing yourself. I'm all for that. If you know yourself, it's easier to self regulate, self manage with what you're exposing yourself to. Um, I do have a question though. If we're going along the lines of, Let's say going against the grain or what you would think you should do. A lot of people say that you need to set goals.

40:58 And if I were to quote you, right, you said setting goals is unnatural and sabotages your success. I know we're coming down to the bottom of the hour, but I want to, I wanted to bring that question up and maybe briefly you can kind of, I know it's a loaded question, but maybe you can briefly give us like an idea of the why behind that. Well, I think there's, you know, I, I spent decades in the goal setting thing and as I explained in the end it didn't do me any good because losing everything and becoming homeless and even living a life where I was full of stress, that wasn't on any goals list. I had plenty of goals that I didn't achieve and plenty of goals, well, plenty of things that I did achieve that I didn't want.

41:40 So we have to be honest and say, Is goal setting, does it really work? And everybody I've talked to and, and books I've read, the, the people who are honest and who've looked into this say that the actual success rate around goal setting is between two and 3%. It's not, not everybody's sitting. So if you're doing something that has a 2 percent success rate, why are you doing it? It doesn't work. And there's a biological and scientific reason why it doesn't work, because you don't know what you really want. I mean, if people really think about this. Couple of things. Firstly, how many of the things in your life important things or think of something really important that happened that was life changing.

42:22 Maybe it was meeting your partner or spouse or getting married to who you married or a business or a career opportunity and what you realize is none of those things were on a goals list. You didn't say I'm going to marry this person and this is what they're going to look like and I'm going to marry them on this date or meet them on this date. They just showed up. So the most important things show up in your life. At the time they're supposed to show up, and you hope they're good things, and if you're using your brain the right way, they will be good things. That's what I've discovered. But your brain works Right there. What's supposed to show up in your life is going to show up when it's supposed to. I want to pull, where do you feel that's coming from?

43:04 Do you think that's a subconscious thing? Because you're saying showing up, so that's outside of you. Would you say, would you ever, in your description of things, inject some type of spiritual energy, as in something beyond you is assisting you? Because that's it, that phrase kind of signifies that for me. Well, there definitely is. However, you want to describe it as spirituality and infinite intelligence, God. There is this infinite intelligence, and it must be infinite, and it must be intelligent. And, but our, our connection to that, if you like, is this part of the brain. This is where we get this, not only this information from, it's where you get the new ideas from, or the inspiration, or completely new way of doing something.

43:53 Where's that coming from? It is coming from a, uh, um, not your own self. It's coming from outside of you, but your connection to that, the channel, if you like, is this part of your brain. And religious traditions talk about this in great detail about you are connected to this higher power, but you're only connected when you use this part of your brain. In other words, when you're not feeling afraid, the Bible says, be not afraid. Do not worry about tomorrow. Tomorrow will take care of itself. It's telling us, you don't need to be afraid. Do not worry about what you shall eat, drink or wear. It'll be provided for you. It's saying that because that's how it works. But if, when you are afraid you're stuck in the wrong part and you're literally blocking off all this inspiration and creativity.

44:38 So rather than set a goal, because what are you doing when you're setting a goal? You're sitting there using the wrong part of your brain and you're going, I'm not happy. What do I need to be happy? What do I want? Why aren't I happy? How do I figure it out? You don't know. That part of your brain has no clue what you want. The other part of your brain does, this inspirational part, and it will make sure that you do the right things at the right time. But if you think about it from a biological point of view, one of the things that you, when you study biology, in this evolutionary sort of way about how things work, is you realize nature has spent billions of years ironing out all the kinks and finding the most efficient way to do everything so that everything has the greatest chance for survival is the best that it can be in the easiest, most efficient way possible.

45:28 It's had billions of years to work all that out. So all this idea of struggle and stress, it's figured all that, that that doesn't work and it's found better processes. to make things work. And here's the thing about biological, what I call the law of biological efficiency. What is the most efficient way to make you sure that you get everything that you need in your life in a totally balanced way to be truly fulfilled, truly happy, and to say, you know, I really am being the best that I can be. And my life is flowing and in the zone. The most efficient way for your brain or this intelligence to show you and to tell you what you should be doing is to show you the very next step. Nothing else.

46:08 That, and you know, this ties into mindfulness, which is about being in the present moment and simply taking the next step. Now your brain, because you imagine if your brain said to you, right, your goal, your ultimate goal, what's really going to make you happy, Liam, is sailing on a yacht around Europe for eight years and visiting 15 different countries and just traveling around any port while you're running several businesses online. Now, if, if that came to me as a goal 15 years ago, whenever it was. I would have said, that's ridiculous. Now, not only because I didn't think it could happen, but I didn't even know if that's what I wanted, you know? So that's why my brain would, and what would I have done if my brain had shown me that, shown me the goal?

46:53 I would have resisted it. I said, no, that's not right. I don't want, no, I, and I was wasted all that time, all that energy, physical, biological energy, rather than getting on and working towards the goal. That's also why it never shows you the next 5, 10, 20 steps. Because what are you going to do? You're going to analyze. You're going to say, well, I'm not sure if that's going to work. Um, but hang on, if I do that, if I do that, what happens if that happens? Well, maybe that will happen. Uh, you're wasting all that time, all that energy. So your brain literally biologically is only ever going to show you, it's designed to show you the next step. And I've talked to billionaires who've said to me, we've just, I've discussed this with, and they've all said, yeah, I didn't have my success on a goals list.

47:38 I literally just did what I did. I don't know how it showed up. And that's the thing. If you have a goals list, you're limiting yourself. And that's why so many of the times when people have a goal, even if they achieve it, like I used to, didn't make me happy anyway. And I was like, well, what was the point of this? It's not really what I thought it would be. Because I wasn't allowing, I wasn't doing, you know, the most efficient way to ensure that I ended up where I was supposed to end up. Not where I thought I was supposed to end up. Big difference. That's a powerful statement right there. And I, I agree with that thought process of, Hey, you know what? It would make sense, especially if you as a being, as a person, maybe live majority in the survival mindset.

48:24 And so that part, those times where you dip into the, Thriving part of the brain. It's like, all right, we're, we're going to give you the next step. Don't mess this up. I'm not going to give you step two, three, three, two, three, four, five, and six, because especially if you're living majority of the time in survival mode, that next step is going to get demolished by your survival mode thinking. So let me just give you step one and just, you know, one step at a time. And it's interesting. I'm remembering these. Phrases from people of the past saying, just take one step at a time.

49:05 Right. But, uh, was it a thousand mile journey starts with one step at a time. And if you're trying to go upstairs, you have to go one step at a time. You can't just, you're going to pull a hamstring or something. If you try to skip like more than three and then you don't know how you got there, you're going to fall backwards, blah, blah. And I like how you phrase that. So that's pretty cool. Um, Well, lots of really good tips. I think the theme of today definitely was around Staying the one importance of being in that thriving mentality that flow state and how the brain naturally Would like you to get there but we for the most part tend to live most of the time in that survival mentality and it's My takeaway is when I heard you talking about the billions and billions of years that, uh, Earth and, and just, uh, I want not society, but more of like life itself has been re redoing and reinventing itself and recreating itself, uh, for the best way of survival.

50:17 And I feel like us as humanity, um, we're at that cusp of not needing that we are here. To learn the next step, which is living mostly. In that flow state and it's that bridging between the old way of doing things in a new way of doing things is where you come into play and I appreciate you doing the things that you do and putting all that time and energy into figuring out what the heck we can do and thank you for, um, having that horrible experience for us so that you can share us, um, your, your golden nuggets. Uh, as, as we finished today, is there anything that, um, you would like to close with?

51:00 Uh, I'll, uh, before we get into how to connect with you, is there anything that we might not have, uh, mentioned or that you felt like we, we could have, uh, spoken about very briefly as we close out today? Well, I guess the, the thought, if you like, that I'd really like to leave people with is to realize that actually life is not supposed to be difficult. We have, and it's a really difficult thing, if you forgive the pun, for people to accept, but if you look in the natural world, really look in the natural world, a tree is a tree, a plant is a plant, it's doing, an animal is an animal, doing what it's designed to do to the best of its ability.

51:44 And nature, as you just mentioned, nature's worked it all out, how to make every living thing work without stress problems and struggle in the most efficient way. So the only real difficulty, if you like, that we have is accepting that. And the only way you can accept that is if you start to understand it. And I've tried to give people. a little bit of an inkling about the facts, the truth about how nature is set up. But when you finally click, and this is what I do when I work with people, either one on one or in my coaching program that I have, when people get this, when they finally get it, and sometimes it takes people a bit more time than others, some people get it really quickly, and this isn't a judgment on people, it's just, you know, where you're at.

52:31 But when you really get this, that there's another part of your brain that literally will take over and lead you down the fastest and easiest path To being your best, that's what it's designed to do. When you really get it, that's when you can start to really see some progress in your life and really see some changes. And reach the life you're supposed to have, which is not without problems and stress. And then you prove to yourself, like I did for me, that all the stuff that we've been talked about, the life's a struggle, you have to work hard, and you know, there's always going to be problems, and nothing's perfect, and you have to learn more and get more information, and you know, you realize that none of that is either true or helpful. But there is another way to live. But you can only prove it to yourself.

53:13 When you experience it, and that's my mission, is to help people experience it. As I say, when you do, you never go back. And your life, as many people I've helped have said, you know, they're like, Wow, I never thought my life could be like this. What's going on? Well, they know what's going on. But it literally does create a transformation. And then you feel, Yes, this is what I'm here for. It's not an intellectual thing. It's a knowing thing. This is, this is great. This is my life working the way I've always dreamed that it should. This is my, uh, my dream life. I love it. So if anybody were to connect with you and they want to know more about your coaching, um, your one on one services and what you're working on right now, how do people connect with you?

53:57 What's the best way? Just go to, just go to my website, liamnayden. com. I've actually got an interesting webinar, little sort of a mini course there at the moment, which goes into more detail in some more ideas and strategies on how to simply and easily start to. You get an experience of this and you, you know, start to see it working in your life. Because when you see it working, when you've got some proof, then you know this is the way to go. And it really is the only way to go. That's all on my website, liamnadin. com. Awesome stuff, man. thank you for, uh, showing, showing up and sharing your wisdom. I appreciate you. Thanks so much for having me, Jonathan.