EP 103 Unlocking Your True Potential with Intuition and Art | Joan of Angels

0:00 How do you trust your gut and act upon it? Because intuition is three things. You get a thought, then you interpret it and then you learn to act on it. And I'll give you the best tip ever. Keep, keep a journal. And on one side of it, it's like all the times you listened to your intuition. And then the other side, it's all the times you didn't. In my life I've always sometimes heard a voice As we're heading into the new earth, or the new age, the new age human, all of more of our gifts and skills are going to come online Welcome to the new way human podcast, where we explore innovative ideas in science, spirituality, and alternative health to help you unlock your true potential and create positive change.

0:42 If you're ready to transform your life and discover new possibilities, hit that subscribe button and never miss an episode. Now, with that said, let's get to the show. Welcome to today's show. We have Joan of angels, AKA Dr. Joan hand garter, who's a transformational coach and also an intuitive artist that creates portals with her paintings. This is going to be fun. Welcome to the show, Dr. Joan Handgarter, or Joan of Angels, whichever you would like to be called. Let's go with Joan of Angels today because that's who's showing up on your show to show you all those portals that us angels use.

1:28 Well, welcome to the show, Joan of Angels. How's it going? Oh, my God. I'm so excited to be here, John, with you. Very, uh, I already, I can feel like this very higher vibration. You know what, speaking of high vibes and high energy, I have to address what happened about less than two minutes ago. We, I, I have a monitor, I have a laptop, I have a third monitor, and I have a lot of things plugged into my computer, and with success I've been doing interviews. Then, um, Joan comes on, and then stuff starts glitching. And, um, I'm like, alright, let me just reset, come back, and kind of like, pull some, you know, slow, slow down the, uh, The, the, I guess you can say the CPU usage of the laptop.

2:18 Just kind of like give it some space. And then, uh, you, you were like, Oh, I have a history of doing this. And I'm like, let's get into that. You, you said something about. Like burning tapes, like cassette tapes. And for anybody who's younger, um, then, uh, I guess 30 years old or 35 cassette tapes were those little square things that you used to put, um, into your radio or system that used to be. And, and then we replace those with CDs just in case as a reference. So what's going on with this? Ah, that's so funny. Yes. So in, in those days, hundreds of years ago, we would, I would go to my psychic, right?

3:03 And they had a tape recorder, you know, cassette recorder. And every time I would go to her, the recorder worked before I got there. Let's put it that way. So it blow up. There were times that it would just shut off completely. There was another time where, you know, you tried to record, it recorded nothing. And so, and no, it was really, it was always really funny. And she would tell me it's because I had This energy that was really uncontrollable. So I didn't understand that what she was trying to tell me was, I, I was psychic and intuitive, but I was out of control. So my out of control ness would throw off her, and these are the days you had to go to their house.

3:44 We didn't have all this Wi Fi. It's funny to talk about it like that. But yeah, so, she, she really was the first person that helped me understand that when your energy isn't contained, it's not contained. It, it's out of control. It could impact people, places, and things like tape recorders. So when you're, when you were having problems, and we were just having such a great chat ahead of time, and already the energy was rising, it suddenly reminded me of that. I'll try to be good with my handshake today. It's just like, I'll try to behave, we'll put the dampers on, right? Like those, those superhero movies where you wear, like, this necklace to, like, hold your powers back so that people can, like, handle you and you don't, like, blow things up.

4:32 That's, that would be kind of funny for, like, something like that to be made. Or just eat American food, you know. Well. We're not gonna go there. you'll be good to go. Slow won't be out of control. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. So, okay. You in your name, you, there's a doctor side of you, and then there's the Joan of Angels side of you. And, uh, I saw that interested as interesting because you have a mixture of science and then you also have that mixture of spirituality. So let's dive into the beginnings of that. Like how did that.

5:13 Um, come to be, I want to get into your journey to, uh, you know, maybe we can go a little bit brief into like the, the doctor history. Cause I'm curious on like how that works. And, uh, I definitely, definitely want to get into the portal. So, um, what's, what's going on with, uh, with, with your doctorates. Okay. So, I want to start off by letting everyone know I was really shy as a kid. I had an abusive father and I hid in closets. And ran away at three. But, I also had a tremendous love of people and I, I've always been intuitive and highly empathic. So, I could feel people's pain, I could feel their heart, I would just know things intuitively.

5:58 And so that made me very sensitive with a real love of helping people. Like I wanted to help you get out of pain. And so when I was 13, I had a curve in my spine. They wanted to operate on me. And my dad took me to this chiropractor who actually fixed my back. So fast forward to the other side of me, this The spiritual side of me, I was like 20 years old and I moved to California to move into a spiritual community and ashram with the question of what am I here to do? What am I here to do? What am I here to do? I was really lost and never thought I'd find my purpose in life. And I'm in this, this, uh, I'm out of some famous actresses home.

6:42 It's a sort of seminar and I go, what am I supposed to do with my life? And I hear a voice, just go to chiropractic school. Just like that. And the next day I, there were three chiropractic schools in LA. I went to all three. I enrolled in one of them, begged for money from my mother. But the next day I got home and there was a check in the exact amount of the tuition that had come from my grandfather's estate. So I went, Oh my God, I guess I'm supposed to do it. And that is actually how I ended up going to chiropractic school. And it's funny because it was a mix of spirituality and I had majored in science in college.

7:23 I was a, quote, a science teacher. Even though I was too shy to speak to the class, and the kids had set fire to the class, I mean, I was a mess. But here was this boy who said, Go to chiropractic school, and I said yes. And that's like, and I think that's something I want to share with people, that that yes can change your life. When you hear something, intuitively. And it's prompting you to do something and your heart leaps for joy. That's a yes. Now the rest of the world may say it's a no. So I got tons of flack about that. But I was walking those worlds. Already. And I loved helping people.

8:04 I became a fantastic chiropractor. I had, I was one of the top 1 percent of all the chiropractors in the country and especially among the women. And I started teaching women, but I had a fall. And my fall really came because, so I had two children, I had a jaguar, I had a great practice, and um, and then I had a fiance that I thought was great, until in the end, I can't even say it without coughing, in the end, he became very abusive, took 500, 000 from me, left me destitute. And I was then begging God for a miracle. And so escaping him changed my life.

8:47 Literally, because then I was destitute, no practice. I had two young kids, but I had made a commitment then that I was going to really If I couldn't practice, cause at that point I really couldn't practice anymore. If I couldn't practice, I would start using my gifts to help, especially women learn to speak up for themselves, to begin to know who they are. And I committed myself to teaching people how to know who you are. And I began doing readings for people, you know, and started using my other intuitive gifts. And that's how I started to heal that. until 2013 when it really went downhill from there. I've written books about miracles and things were kind of good, but then I went, if things went downhill and I begged for a miracle and again, I hear that voice this time it says paint 33 angels in 30 days.

9:40 And I kind of, So you're crazy. It's too much, too much, too much. And I turned it down twice until the last time I heard, I heard it was like, this is your way out. This is going to be your miracle. And so I began painting 33 angels in 30 days and discovered that once I put them up on the loft, the book falls off the bookshelf. It says your call for angelic assistance has been heard. I was so dramatic and so true. And that is how. I kind of switched into this other area of my life, which has always been about helping people, being intuitive, understanding what they needed.

10:23 Wow, you've gone through some stuff and, um, it's very interesting how, I guess you can say you had the, that, that journey, that dark night of the soul right after that separation. And it was almost like a repeat of your, your childhood, just a little bit. And it was almost like a catalyst. That moved you along a path of where you're at now as almost as if to say the Jaguar, the, the, the home, the lifestyle that was, that was like, all right, you know, here's a taste of a good life, but it sounds like you, you know, you had a much bigger purpose for yourself.

11:12 Not saying that it's bigger than lifestyle. I'm saying more so like you had a purpose and it was just kind of like, I guess that comfortable lifestyle slowed you down. Like what are your thoughts on that? Cause I hear time and time again, and you as a transformational coach, I'm sure you see this a lot where. Someone is on this trajectory and they have some success going on. They're like, yes, yes, yes. Then something horrible happens. Then they go through this self reflection, um, situation. They're forced into it. And then they go on a completely different path and they're loving life. What are your, what are your thoughts on what's going on with that? Well, first of all, you explained it very beautifully because when you take that traumatic experience and then you turn it into your life's work, then, then you're fueled by passion.

12:02 And once you have that purpose slash passion, then all bets are off and you're in your bliss. And so when I was 30, but just when I was beginning my practice, I went to a visioning workshop, which was all about your visions. And in this vision, I saw what I was here to do. It was the most incredible thing. I was in the Colosseum, you know, the ancient Greek Colosseum. I was on a podium. There was an amazing angelic being behind me. I looked like it was an angel too. And millions of people were coming in front of me. and they were crawling or on crutches or in wheelchairs or being carried.

12:43 And we would just wave our arms and they would drop, remember it's vision. They would drop their crutches, you know, in their wheelchairs and, and walk off into the ethers. And that's what I heard. I'm here to heal and inspire millions of people and that became my guiding light. And that's why I'm so passionate about helping people uncover their purpose. Because once you understand, you came down here with amazing gifts. Most of us who've listened to this kind of stuff are volunteers. We actually volunteered. I'll go. Sure. Earth's in trouble. Send me. And we come down here, but our memories are wiped clean. And so we don't even know we're extraordinary beings.

13:26 We don't even know we have all these skills, the clairvoyant ones, the telepathic ones, and that we're actually masters. And so there's a whole process of learning who we really are, which isn't, you know, in a planet that's not actually supportive of a personal growth. It of people like you, a lot of people just going. And I would say being more connected to their. to their truth. You got some coughing going on because there's so much energy going on. never happens. That usually never happens.

14:08 I hope you record this out. no, you're good. You're good. I take it as, uh, we have a very, uh, Energetic, uh, conversation and maybe, maybe some interesting stuff's gonna happen. I have a question, though. Um, angels, so would you say the, the fir the, the angels came into your, your view into your world after that vision or, um, I'm curious, when did Angels come into play with your world? That's the funny thing. When I was a little girl. I didn't see very well and I would lie in bed and there was this painting kind of on the wall in front of me. And occasionally as I would drift off to bed, I'd see my, I'd find myself inside the painting.

14:54 And there were beings, you know, beautiful women, like that's my memory. That somehow I'd be walking in my painting so I know that I would go somewhere. And later I also found out that I had been abducted. So I have a history of having. I've had contact with both. Angels and ETs. Hmm. So let's see. I feel called to ask a specific question. What are your thoughts? Let me set the stage. So you have a ufologist.

15:34 Um, I've been jumping into that scene of ufology and beings, different planets, realms, It's fascinating. What gets interesting is when people are starting to study this, they also notice that a lot of abductions Tend to be, uh, spiritual in nature because there are, I think there's like a large amount of a percentage where when someone calls the name of Jesus, the whole experience ends, which leads people to believe that a large portion of those abductions have to do with a demonic experience and not simply a physical being from another planet.

16:20 And so you get this gray area of, okay, so. Are there aliens? And if they are, what percentage of them are demons? How do I know? And it seems like you had that experience. And do you think it was demonic? And, and then what, what are your thoughts on that? Because I'm asking this because you have, um, these experiences with angels and then you have an abduction. I'm seeing two different worlds. Two, um, I'm seeing it going in the demonic direction. Well, that's very interesting. So, that's like Joan of Angels and Dr. Joan. And I'm a Pisces, so, actually, we might as well just get, I have both sides of the coin. I never saw them as demonic. Because, first of all, I have those screen memories.

17:03 So, And so I didn't even know about that until years later when I read this book by Dr. Whitley Strieber. It was the first UFO book. It had this picture of a gray on it. It was in the mid eighties. I see this book and I go, Oh my God, I better preorder it. Now I've never preordered a book in my life, but I was sure that everyone on the planet would want this book. I can't, it was called contact picture of this tall gray. And as I'm reading the book, he says, if you're reading this book, Most likely you had been abducted. And if you're afraid of closets, you know, and you're terrified at night, you've been abducted. And so I remembered all the times I'd lay in bed and I'd be frozen.

17:46 I couldn't move. I'd hear footsteps coming up. That went on until I was about in my early fifties. That went on a lot. This fear. You know, and hearing things and being terrified. Were they demons? They probably could have been. I was young, you know, I drank, you know, tried marijuana, I was like all over the place. So you, you have, you lose your, you know, your vitality, your, your aura's fractured and beings could come in. I don't know. I, I would have said to you that they were definitely ETs because I've also dreamt of the ships, and I've had dreams of ships, and you know, but now, Now that I've done more research, now they're talking about how this is more demonic and maybe these ETs don't exist.

18:37 So I, I don't have the answer for that. I know that my, my abduction stopped, but I still have contact with other beings. You know, some of them are angelic. I'm not in contact with demons. I chase them out of my auric field that I know, but I do have still a connection. Which has been very positive for me. Let's put it that way. And, and thanks. Thanks for sharing that that side of your world. Right. And, and, um, sharing, yeah, just sharing that. Um, and in my journey of discovery and figuring things out and what's the truth and whatnot.

19:22 Uh, what I tend to run into a lot is just referring back to the levels of consciousness. From that book that I read with David Hawkins, where he, you know, power versus force. And when you fall below a certain frequency, right? And you mentioned it, right? You're, you were fractured, uh, orically, um, your energy was fractured. It was the, the vibe was low. We dipped. Down. Occasionally here and there you drink alcohol. Alcohol sometimes is called spirits. You wonder why. All right. Those things lower your frequency and the lower you go, there's a certain point where you'll have a being that lives in that realm.

20:03 That's like, Oh, welcome to welcome to our place. You're right. Let's mess with you. Um, but and then in your journey of self discovery of really trying to figure out your passion, you went through and you overcame that dark night of the soul. And as that happened, I totally see your energy feel like you said, going up and your frequency, your vibration and the negative entities. Can only handle such a high, uh, frequency being before they're like, all right, we're going to go to someone, someone else. And that's what I see as my interpretation of what was, um, going on with you. Me and my mind prioritizing the logic driven space, um, I, uh, working with and identifying it.

20:51 Yeah, no, absolutely. So, when you raise your frequency and your personal vibration, that's what the angels told me, the first thing. They said that, that yes, we can come down and work with you, but if you can learn to raise your frequency and raise your light, turn up your light, then then you can connect with us in a higher level and it will change your life. And so I made that decision and commitment to turn up my light, turn up my power. But what's so funny is that in my chiropractic practice, after every adjustment I would say to my patient, we've just turned up your power. And a couple of years ago after a session I did with a client, I said, well, I've just turned on your power.

21:33 You know, you should be able to feel it. And then I went, oh, holy moly. It's the same thing I used to tell all my patients. Now I'm telling my clients. We're turning up your light. We're turning up your vibration. Because once you step beyond courage and go into the higher vibrations, you can positively impact the world. People all around thousands of people and you can learn to connect with the light and completely shift the vibration of the planet. And that is one of my missions here. This is what it's trained me that I'm here to help people. Remember why you're here, your purpose, what skills you came down here, your superpowers, we call them, and then how to live your best life, how to radiate that light and help be a part of the solution of the ascension of the planet.

22:21 So it's been a training. I've been And for a long time. I was going to say, um, in this, I was, maybe we can dive into that a little bit. Uh, I think we've. Curiosity around finding your superpower. I know that that was, uh, an episode in the past in itself. And a lot of people like that. So let's dive into how you help people figure out their superpower. What are some methods that you use or someone that they can use like right now, if they want it to. okay. So, so we all, all of you have gifts. You know, it's like having a clipboard filled with skills. So you go back and you think about what about, what were the things I loved to do as a child?

23:03 What was I just naturally gifted at until someone told me I wasn't? What, what kinds of things? And so many, many of us who listen to shows like this have, have an intuitive connection. or feeling in their gut. So the first thing I teach people is how to start listening to intuition. How do you trust your gut and act upon it? Because intuition is three things. You get a thought, then you interpret it and then you learn to act on it. So one of the things that I teach in my programs is I teach you how to teach you how to discern. So you understand where you are on a scale of one to 10. I always use a scale and I teach you how to, It's not just discern.

23:45 I teach you how to use your, how to trust your gut. And I'll give you the best tip ever. Keep, keep a journal. And on one side of it, it's like all the times you listened to your intuition. And then the other side, it's all the times you didn't. Both are equally important because how do you learn to trust your gut? If you don't trust that you've gotten the right, you know, that you don't know this track record you have. So for example, it was 2013 the same year I started painting. I went to the account and picked up my tax returns and my daughter's tax returns and my son's tax returns. Thank God that he actually transmitted them over the wifi.

24:28 I have these three packages of taxes and I go to my car, and it's a rental car. I open up the trunk, and as I'm opening the trunk, I hear a voice saying, Don't put your tax returns in the trunk. And I say in my head, well that's crazy, why? And I heard, your trunk will blow open, and the tax returns are going to fly out. And I went, that's even crazier. And I said, screw that, that's not going to happen. What? It happened. And two days later, someone from the LA public works department calls me and rattles off my daughter's social security number. And to this day there's someone who has my social security number, who has an account with T Mobile and the IRS wrote to me a few years ago and said, someone's using your social security number.

25:18 So, but I didn't listen cause I didn't trust that voice cause it was so out. How random is that? And so that's what happens. We, we hear little tidbits and it's so random that we don't pay attention to it or we're too busy. So learn how to get confirmation. Like when you actually slow down and you go, wait, I heard something. That's bizarre. That's how I learned to do readings, John. I, I would, I, in the beginning it was like seeing a little choo choo train and it had behind it a thread and it would have a symbol like. like seashell and I'd say seashell.

26:00 Like I probably blurred it out cause I didn't know what to do with it. But I had the feeling that I have to say what I'm seeing. That's how remote viewers learn that you learn. You just have to listen for that little tidbit and then get confirmation on it. We all have it. All of us have it, but, but, especially the more logical minded you are, or scientifically oriented you are, the harder it is to pay attention to something as crazy as you are going to, you're going to, It's going to blow away. Are you crazy? So learning to trust your gut, especially in the crazy world we live in right now, is the most important thing.

26:42 And sometimes doctors, say, get stuck on the logic. The logic doesn't seem to work. And they get their best results when they finally listen to that little voice that says, Well, why don't you try this instead? That's a big thing for doctors to listen to that voice and go, Okay, I'll try that. Because they're scientists. So, we have to undo to be able to be this new age human that we are. We have to learn to trust ourself. You know, we have to learn to trust our body and what we hear. I love how you tied in becoming that new age human, because I feel like everybody has their version of what that is, but yeah, it is what you make of it, and it's the human, the being of the new age of what we're going into, and we're all working to get to know that person, right?

27:37 Um, And also, what you were saying, I love how you put it. And the whole journaling is a fantastic idea. I might adopt that myself. I do journaling for dreams. And I do journaling for meditation. Whether I'm doing it for myself or for someone else. And, uh, I liken that voice, that intuition, As the, uh, still small voice and, uh, there was a book that I read that you wouldn't think just by the cover, they would go into that. And there's a lot of people that I know that don't go that deep into spirituality, but they've read this book and it's, uh, I believe it's Think and Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill.

28:27 And my favorite chapter is chapter 12, and I don't remember the exact quote, but he said that all the greatest minds of our past and inventors and pioneers, they did so because they were able to connect with their inner voice that still voice. And even someone like Tesla mentioned, it wasn't me, I just did it. Got the idea and I worked with it. I, you know, he, he'll say he channeled it or what, whatever type of language you want to use where you downloaded it. Yeah. An idea came, uh, and some people think it's coming from their past life experiences.

29:08 Those that don't want to give too much credit for an out, uh, An exterior source, and I'm always fascinated by that source and connecting to that source and knowing who or what that is. So my question to you is, as someone that has communications with other beings, how do you translate as what that intuition is? Like who, what, where? Okay, so, I have a group of angels that work with me. Or divine beings. And when I started painting, they told me that my, that I was to be a paintbrush.

29:51 for these divine messengers and bring their messages of. They're here to help humanity. So they've always been on that good side. I trained myself to hear them, but I but in my life I've always sometimes heard a voice I was in san francisco once and I actually heard my ex husband calling me from boston and I went out running on the street like so loud So I've always had, at times, an ability to connect. But I say that we all sh As we're heading into the new earth, or the new age, the new age human, all of more of our gifts and skills are going to come online. I took a class a few months ago, last year up in Sedona, spoon bending.

30:35 You'd be surprised how many people in these Jedi trainings that people want to learn how to focus and harness that energy that we have our mind and focus it in a direction that could move your cell phone to the other side of the room. These are all skills we used to have. We had them at other, other times we could live hundreds of years and we could, we were powerful in our own right. And so the more you can practice. Like remote viewing. I'm not very good at remote viewing, but some people are, they're fantastic at it. Keep training yourself to use that other part of our consciousness that we don't use.

31:16 And you do it through things like you're doing through meditation, through journaling, through your dreams. Well, if they say, you know, all of these ET contacts, angel contacts, they're just in your own personal head. You know, the universe inside of us is huge. And that's where we get our information from. So, to develop that is to become more superhuman, and that is part of the New Age human, is that super power to develop it. A lot of trainings. I just got something from Gaia TV yesterday about Joe Dispenza and I sent it to my son cause I've been teaching him to read, think and grow rich.

31:58 And it's like, yes, like rewire your brain. There's so much research about this now that we can rewire everything for health, for wealth, for happiness. We can turn up our power like in power versus force and be a force of good on this planet, be a force of light and see the change that we want. And I love how you tied it. You're really good at tying everything in. You tied in the, uh, the book, um, power versus force. Uh, I, I like how you, you have an awesome flow. I just want to give you credit for that. Oh, thank you.

32:39 Thank you. I feel like I do. Yes. No problem. Yeah, for sure. I appreciate it. I, I pay attention to that a lot as far as like the flow of things. But, um, yeah, speaking of flow, it's really important to have that with being an artist. And I know that we've been talking about a lot of things, but I wanted to get into your paintings and talk And highlight some, uh, maybe examples or some stories around your paintings. Cause I think that's fantastic. And I, I really want to highlight that as differentiating you from other people. Um, so don't know where to start. What, maybe we can start with, um, what you think people would appreciate the most as far as understanding how your paintings work.

33:24 my God. So my paintings work as portals. They, they actually do. They change people and I do these sessions with people after they buy the art if they want called an art activation. No one, activations where you have the art or the portal on your lap. I teach you how to meditate. I teach you how to use it and how to, how to take your visions and dreams and the energies you want to create with the art and how to implement them. And it's really powerful. So people report back to me that the art gives them energy, intuition, and confidence. Usually people, the art calls it's human.

34:06 So I was at a show yesterday and, um, and A lot of people come up to look at the art and the art kind of resonates with them and makes them feel more stronger. So it's, it's having, having like crystals and stones or another tool that gives you more, just gives you more opportunities. So that's one way I use the art and I muscle test people. Remember my chiropractic background. I muscle test people who come up to my booth and I show them, I show them how that, you know, I kind of test for strong strength and weakness and I find a weak point and then we put the painting on, on their heart and then they're so strong they can't even figure it out because the energy of the painting, and I used to make scarves, the same thing, the energy actually, It has you vibrating at a higher level.

34:58 And once you're vibrating at a higher level, again, you're able to be more in touch with your higher, with all your other skills, and, and your, your potential and your power. And it does the same thing in the room. So if you have the art in your room, you still get that same high, you don't have to wear, you know, the canvas, you get that same energy resonance. So it will actually lift and change. the energy around you. And so that's what the art does. It's like encoded for miracles. And it just makes me very happy that I could say that. And I'm happy to show you some of these portals because there's one in particular that calls Stargate. So some people may have heard of the Stargate experience.

35:39 He, he channels out Alcazar goes around the world and they have the Stargate. And they let me take one of the pictures of the Stargate and I converted it into this amazing art piece that doesn't look like it, so I'm allowed to show it. But every time I would meditate with it, I'd see beings coming, really beautiful beings, you know, like ambassadors. You could kind of trust them. They looked inviting. And they would come out and meet with me. Very exciting. Wow. Mm hmm. And you can have that experience too with this art. That's yeah, that's, that's, you know, that reminds me of like having a painting and then it turns into like a hologram.

36:23 Where it just kind of like pops out and you interact with it. I feel like that's what a lot of kids do with, with their drawings and what they see, right? They, they, they have an experience with drawings and as you get more left brained and very logic driven and your creativity waters down, it's, it's just, you know, Oh, those are nice colors and the shapes are great. And, uh, you know, um, and the actual also made me wonder about, um, the Where do you see the power coming from? Would it be the color? Would it be the shapes? Because, you know, colors have their frequencies and then shapes have their frequencies. So I'm curious to see, um, how you manipulate those to create a portal or something that's energizing somebody.

37:11 Well, I should be really upfront about this. A lot of the art, I used to close my eyes. And, I swear, I was just doing what they were telling me to do. And I, and I would go into a trance. And, um, and I would. I would just go into a trance and I could be standing at that table for hours and hours. The canvas could be upside down, sideways, it didn't matter. I just, and they had filled with colors and something decent that you could see came out of it. But, um, But that, that was the way I painted in the beginning. You know, I was untrained. I wasn't supposed to use my logical painter brain. I didn't have a painter brain.

37:53 I just was doing these, trying to recreate these images that they would show me. Of these beings that came from somewhere. And so it was quite, uh, time for me to do that. Now, since I've been traveling the last two years, I've been on, on the road as a, as a, um, digital entrepreneur, I guess is what you'd say, digital nomad. And I've traveled all around the world. I spent a month in Egypt last year, taking people on tour of Egypt and on Greece and doing events, live events over in, in England and in Europe. And I learned. More that I couldn't, so in order to, I, I still got like this connection of I gotta get this on some kind of canvas and now I do it digitally.

38:41 And so, and I go into a trance, that's the best way I can say it is like I get a hit and I open up the apps that I'm using and like four hours later I have a collection of art and I, and I don't know how, I could never tell you how I did it. I couldn't give you a step by step because I'm actually in this other state. People ask me, well, what app did you use? What do you do? I was like, I actually don't know. I can't tell you. I can't reproduce it. I'm like, um, I was originally going to say, Hey, you know what? Show me some art. And now I'm like with the energy of the art, I feel like it may disrupt the show.

39:24 Uh, I'm going to encourage everybody to go to your website and use the link that's in the, uh, show notes. Um, Oh man, I was thinking of something. Oh, okay. Speaking of. What you were you just talking about, right? You, you channeled it and it's, it's, it's, it's, it's like automated. What are your thoughts on, um, you know, as we come to the end or towards the bottom part of the show, what are your thoughts on AI integrating itself? Into creativity, because that's a big part of your world right now is the creativity, the intuitiveness, the, um, the art created by human hands.

40:04 And there's a lot of people, including myself, that use graphics generated by A. I. And what I'm curious, have you. Process the thought of AI and in this world and what are your thoughts on that? What's your opinion? Well, that's a huge subject. So, but, but I'll compare it to crop circles. So, Years ago I went to all the crop circles and just was mesmerized by them. Some of them you go in and, and they're real because you can feel the energy. Others were, are human, man made. And, uh, So it doesn't have that high, high vibration in it, but they're beautiful.

40:48 And, and as I read into the people who are, you know, make the people who are making them, not whatever force made them, someone was commenting that the thought of making that crop circle was put in someone's head. Because they look just like the real crop circles. They're very advanced sacred geometry, but it was not made by this outside extraterrestrial force or whatever makes the crop circles. It was made by this human who had this thought implanted in him to make it. And I think it's the same thing. I get implanted in my head like to do an angel or to do a Neptune.

41:29 And I. Great paintings of Poseidon, because I see him in my visions. And so, that thought brings it through, and then they told me I was a paintbrush so that humanity can see it. So, I do believe that the AI in that, now, there's a lot of issues with AI, but in the creative aspect, it supports my creativity in a huge way. And even when I'm, I'm writing things and I get stuck and I go back to AI and I say, well, you know, and then I reedit it for my own voice, but usually it's kind of part of my own voice. So I, and I, and I asked a friend of mine who's psychic, I said, if I'm using digital tools, does that mean I'm really an artist?

42:15 You know, or am I just a, a kind of a, Someone who does things, I don't know. So I was like, does this mean I'm really an artist? Because she was raving about my art, and I said, well, it's created digitally, and some of it's created AI, and, you know, what does that mean? And she's, she's a renowned medium. And she was explaining to me, Joan, it's in your eye, it's the eyes of the creator. Lots of people make lots of images, but it's the ones that are the peak ones, the ones that are the cream of the crop, and that show that eye, and so all of my art is kind of intentional within that. And I do create thousands of images.

42:56 My computer is stuffed, you know, 20, 30, 000 images. But I curate, like there's the one that pops, and that's the one. Thank you. And then I hear it, you know, like that's it. So, there's still a lot of creativity that goes into it. And I do believe that it's guided. And like the same way with the crop circles, so, or the same way with you. You know, it's adding something to our creativity. um, I like the way you put that too because um, you can it's ultimately your choice what people see and You it sounds like you're react you're when you see something that You helped create and you directed the, let's say the commission of it.

43:51 So to speak via AI, if it pops that, that, that intuitiveness, it is that is, is, is that popping out at you? And it's that intuitiveness to know that this is, this is, this is the one, right? That's like me, like, Doing, uh, uh, an image with AI and I'm like, this is not the one. Um, you, you feel the difference. So it looks like you're doing more digital now. And I think you also, cause you mentioned, uh, mentioned painting. It's a mixture. You do some painting, some digital, correct. Well, the last two years, it's all digital. And You know, I was up in Mount Shasta two years ago when I started this journey and we were doing a meditation and everyone saw these beings and, oh, they heard all these things.

44:39 And I see a tree. All I see is this tree. I take pictures of this tree and, and I just know I go home and I take this tree and I, and like six hours later I launched my digital art. It's just, I couldn't help it. And then I sent it to everyone. I said, well, this is what I see. Because then, then I could see beyond what you see. And I'm always into like, how can I see beyond, but I launched and I realized, well, I can't, I don't, I can't carry a paintbrush to your, I just couldn't carry my art supplies. And the digital became a faster and easier way for me to take what, what I was seeing up here and then, and then building on it.

45:23 It's the best way to, to That's pretty interesting. Yeah. Yeah. So And so you took a picture, I was going to say, you took a picture of a tree with your, with your phone, and then you worked with that to create a, an image from that, yes. And it's in my mind cause I showed it to someone yesterday at this, um, event I was at and I was showing my art and we were talking, we were talking about trees and I said, Oh, well this is what I did with this tree. And the tree becomes this beautiful, tall ascended master. That's like kind of purplish figure, tall ascended masters, simply stunning.

46:04 Like and I think that's who that tree that energy was of the of the beings that people were seeing So I can translate really cool. Yes was very And it takes, it takes the, yeah, it's cool. It takes a lot of creativity to like, just turn something that is, you see every day and then you see beyond that, like you just said, and because of your experiences, you would have more of a, yeah, that's another thing too, because you've actually seen these things in the past and ongoing, what, Speaks to you, speaks more volumes because you know what things actually look like.

46:47 So if the AI is like, you mean this, you're like, that's it. Yes. That's what that looks like. Yes. Let's tweak this a little bit. Right. Um, because there's people out there that are like, um, You know, we're giving all of our creativity away from, from AI. And there's definitely people out there that are solely just like using it only as, uh, like it being in the creative force. And I like how you helped elaborate how we can put our creative force into a tool. And AI would be simply another form of a brush, right? And you're directing the AI, you're not telling it just create it.

47:29 And yeah, that looks good. Just throw this down. No, you're like, no, that's not good enough. This is what I saw. It's got to look like this. And, and then, right. The, the translation of your, um, your inner voice to your hand, to the paint brush, to the, to the, I was going to say ink, you know, to the paint is a similar avenue as your inner voice to your hands, to the keyboard, To the screen, and that revolving circle is just a different way of doing it. So, um, I'm an, I'm, I'm an advocate of not living in fear. And if you don't live in fear, you can see the opportunities and you'll see a better, better way of doing things instead of running away.

48:12 And I like how you just went full on, like, let's go. I'm going to use this new technology. You, you've, you've seen more technology than me with burning cassette tapes and whatnot. Um, what, what I was going to say is, um, now that we, we're, we're Really broke down your art and how you're helping people get connected to their passion and their purpose What is what are some things that you're working on now that you may feel called to share? If anybody's looking to connect with you and want to work with you in the future, That's great well first of all hop on to my youtube channel I'm just launching a new show this week called shine your brilliance turn up your light shine your brilliance and live your best life Now, you know, release your creativity, release your brilliance, use these gifts so you can live your best life now.

49:08 So number one is my new YouTube show, Shine Your Brilliance. My last show was Miracle Monday and Step Into The Miraculous. And now, now we're into shine your brilliance, shine your light. And this whole concept of really, Like living the extraordinary life, even if you're in a 3d body, like what's your best life, the best versions of yourself. So I teach that to people. I do private coaching that, um, doesn't actually matter which service you pick in the end, you get what spirit says you need, but I help people. Manage like their higher consciousness looking at who they are, what they're here to do, what obstacles are in the way, what challenges.

49:49 So we release that. I activate your energy. And so I have the private one on one with me, which are really phenomenal. And then I'm offering some other things. I do soul essence portraits. That's an advanced work where I capture glimpses of who you are on other realms. who you are, your highest self. And I'll come back to you with a video of all these soul aspects of you. And we talk about them and then we go deeper and you end up with a painting. So it's a soul essence portrait and it's very intense. It takes me a lot of, it takes a lot of confidence for me to do a session with you and then pull in these images and everyone who gets that is like so stunned And I do have that.

50:37 If you go to my YouTube channel under the art, there's a playlist of art. You'll see some of those soul essence portrait little videos that I make for people, which totally blow people away because then you never forget who you are. You just like, you could feel God, like whatever you're, you know, you wake up, you're, you don't feel comfortable that day, but then you look at this and you go, Oh my gosh, Look how extraordinary I am. And you feel that essence of, really, who you really are, besides this, this, that we live in. So that's the other work that I'm doing, is the soul essence portraits.

51:17 And so that's all on the website, you can find that, and, and that's how we like to get started. And not on the website, but if you're interested, you'd have to reach out as I'm launching with my partner here. My friend, we're doing a media training and it's, it's like shining your brilliance. How do you shine on stage? How do you shine as a, as a host or a guest? So I train people how to, how to step into your best self on all levels. And then, and then, you know, how to radiate that to the world. So you walk in a room and people want to know who you are because you, you have that sense of presence.

52:00 And you're here to do your best work. You're here, you finally find that, that niche where, where your heart sings with joy. Because you're doing that thing that really makes you joyful. Like, finding that is, is really the miracle here on the planet. And that's the work I do. So you can go to townofangels. com and you can look and see what I do. And if you feel called to engage with me, I'd be honored to help you because that's my work is my guides told me at one point, I'm here to raise the frequency of everyone on the planet, not just like this, but then we spread out. And then people step into their own light, their own powers and power.

52:42 And then they, they, They are contagious and spread it to others. And that's how the planet is ascending right now. We're in a very important time as we step into the new age, you know, the new, the new age, the new earth, that all takes a rise in consciousness. Just like in your favorite book, power versus force is learning how to step into the higher frequencies. And that is fun because that brings you this joy, right? that you have never experienced before. I call it your heart singing. When you hear your heart singing, you know you're aligned with what you really came here to do.

53:23 And it's kind of like a puzzle. You know, you, no one's going to really tell you what you're here to do. You have to hear it. You have to, and, and you know that if you're not, if your heart is not singing, you're not aligned yet. That's what I can say. If you're not having those peaks of joy, you're living just sort of more, uh, just doing your job. But if you want to do what you came here to do and your heart feels like there's something missing, then reach out to me, definitely. I take a peek at the art, so you know, the art, go to my main website, click on art, and click through the purchase and it takes you to another website that's in my online gallery.

54:08 So you have both sides of me, again, Pisces, both sides of me. You have my teachings and my art. I'm a doctor of chiropractic and I'm an intuitive guide. The marriage of two worlds coming together. You're great. um, Thanks for coming on. I appreciate you and sharing your knowledge and your, your experience. And, uh, I look forward to staying connected. And yes, um, if anybody's interested in checking out, um, Joan of Art, especially if you want to know what your other selves look like, that looks like a really cool journey to be on and to have a painting.

54:57 Uh, it makes you wonder, like, what, you know, am I, uh, is there a blue version of me? Like, is there other weird, different versions, you know, past lives what's going on here? Um, so that, that would be cool. Uh, a cool experience to, to look into. And, and at the end of the day, um, if you enjoyed what you heard or saw today, please like, and subscribe. And if you feel moved and you feel like someone can take advantage or, um, benefit from today's show, share with a friend with that said, Joan of angels. Thanks for coming on the show.