# 34: The Power of Gratitude and Appreciation; A Deeper Dive Into the Law of Attraction

0:00 there's a cool element to this cuz like, you know, here's the really cool part, all right? You trick the subconscious. You get the thing that you want. You all of a sudden you've gone from making five figures a year to six figures a year. Well, you do that for iRANO, four weeks, six weeks, eight weeks, 12 weeks, whatever. Your ego's gonna figure out that you're alive, meaning. You've got this new level that you've attained that your ego will fight tooth and nail to keep you out here. all right. Welcome to the new Human podcast. I'm your host, John a Stasio. We have an awesome episode for you. We're gonna talk about Law of Attraction with my friend Andrew Ka. He is the author of The Last Law of Attraction book you'll ever need to read.

0:42 But before we start, feel free to share. share this episode with a friend, if it's entertaining to you, if you're getting some laughs. Also, I heard that if you leave a review on Apple Podcast, that helps out a lot. But let's get into it. Andrew, thanks for coming on, man. Welcome to the show. Yeah. John, thanks for having me. Really excited to be here and, and little fun thing for your audience that like. I, I love situations where like everybody wins. It's always like a win-win situation. So let's see if we can't drop a few value bombs in this episode. And I'd invite the audience if they leave a review to kind of like, in your review, just include whatever you think is the most valuable bit of information you got out of this. So now I'm challenging myself to try and rise to the occasion and giving people hopefully an incentive to leave a review while continuing to enjoy your podcast and sharing with the others.

1:29 Cause again, I'm all about win, win, win. That's, uh, that's a lot of wins. And I'm actually curious because, uh, I got some good questions for you. I got your book. I started listening to the audio in the car and I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm not new to the law of attraction myself, but I like what you're doing with it. You have an awesome story that can tie into why you even started the book and an example of how it worked for you, and I think people would be interested in that. So let's start off with that. Yeah. Well, you know, as, as we're about to hear, uh, not all of the story is, is awesome. Some of it wasn't so fun. But, um, I guess that's kind of the point. And, you know, I can't believe, you know, we're, we're recording this in 2023 and.

2:14 If my math is right, I learned about the love of attraction about like 19 years ago, and it was a thing where I was starting out in, in a new business and I was, you know, for, for myself and I. I was looking forward a secret to happiness and success, which I think everyone, you know, does in some way, shape or form. And as I was doing, that, law of attraction was just like one modality of many that I was exploring. As you know, I was trying to find this thing and, and to me at that time, law of attraction felt like this very. Inconsistent hit and miss type of situation. And I would find out a couple years later that it was actually me who was the inconsistent one because, you know, four years later, I, I hit this really rough wall where in the span of less than a week, um, I lost that business of mind and my girlfriend of three years, like one answer or the other.

3:07 And, and it was one of those things where like, I'll sound dramatic as I put it. I kind of felt like I lost 90% of my life in just like three days. And, um, You know, I, I had a look in the mirror and say like, listen Andrew, you've wasted your twenties here. Your business is done. You've, your your love. Life's done. Everything's done, and something's gotta be done about this. And I had this very weird, simultaneous, like, moment of indignation and epiphany of like, looking back in those few years beforehand and how I would do things like manifesting methods. Can I learn, you know, through my study of the law of attraction and how whenever I was actually doing them things would actually start to change before. I ended up stopping and um, I was like, you know what?

3:48 I don't care what happens. I don't care when it happens, how it happens, why it happens, or any of that. I'm going to stop stopping. I'm going to go all in with this once and for all, you know, and when I say all in, I don't mean like I'm gonna feel happy and cheerful all day every day because as frustrated as I was, I was also wise enough and, and self-aware enough to know that that's not sustainable. That's not realistic. You can't be ha, I mean, if you can, more power to you, but I, I certainly at that point, that wasn't the possibility. But what I could do. Was I could commit to just five or 10 minutes every day of experiencing gratitude, of visualization, of visualizing, rather, um, of doing some kind of method where I'm just feeling good while thinking about what I have or what I want, or both, without even worrying about what's gonna come of it, without worrying about the result, the timing of the result, the how, the result, or anything like that.

4:40 And as soon as I made that decision to just do this and not worry what happens, it was almost like a movie, John. Like within two weeks, uh, I didn't feel a hundred percent better, but I felt way better than anyone with a broken heart, had any business feeling. Within three months I was in a brand new, way better, way more, uh, relevant and appropriate relationship. Within four months, I was making more money than at any point in my life before then, and within six months. Everything was different. I was waking up happy and fulfilled. I was in the best shape of my life. And I basically learned that whatever this thing is, and we can call it the law of attraction, or we can go in any direction someone wants to, but what, whatever you call it, it works when you work it.

5:21 And it wasn't until 11 years after that that I finally gave myself permission to, to write a book going into the details of, you know, why. Why people, why, why we get, why we learn about the love of attraction or about anything that seems like it's a good vehicle for a change in our lives and why we get really excited and why we begin to use these things and why we begin to get results and we still end up stopping. And I figured, okay, if I can articulate, I. Why that happens, what's getting in the way along with how to finally get past that, then I can live up to this promise of what I call very dramatically very ambitiously The last Law of Attraction book you'll ever need to read.

6:02 First of all, devastating situation. And if anybody's been in, uh, in love and um, you know, you find yourself just separate from that person and the longer the, the relationship and the closer you are, the harder it is. That, but being able to know that there is a, uh, a way to get over that hump. I, I, I feel like that's like one thing that and I know people that are in a trouble troublesome relationships with their job with. Their friends with their spouse, with their significant other. Just knowing that your story knowing of your story and that someone can turn it around in less than a year is just very hopeful.

6:44 That's why I'm thinking of someone listening, like very hopeful of being able to get out. So if you've been attracted, pun intended, sorry to this episode there's hope out there. So I'm glad that you mentioned that and I asked that, I wanna get into I have some questions here that I thought the audience would like. So why do some people give up on the law of attraction? What would you say if there's like a lot, what would be like the top three that you could think of? Well, you know, it's interesting because, you know, you can say, why do they give up on the law of attraction? Why do they give up on their business goals, their money goals, their fitness and health goals? Like it doesn't just have to be law of attraction. Everything's rooted in the same way and. Um, the reason they, they give up they don't realize what's going on here is what I define as the ego, and I'm very careful to say that what I define, because the word ego, it's a very loaded word.

7:37 It's obviously a psychological term and everyone has their own definition. And if you ask, uh, a psychologist or, or a therapist what the ego is, it would be a different definition in mind. So just for clarity, the ego as I define it, is that part of your mind that sits between. You're conscious and you're subconscious, not only in terms of position, but in terms of power and influence. Um, you know, first there's your conscious mind, which your ego is way more powerful then, but also fortunately as we'll, find out why this is relevant. Your subconscious mind is even more re uh, powerful than the ego. But the thing about the ego is the reason we quit is because the ego, as I define it, is that part of your mind that only has one job in this world.

8:19 And that is your survival. And that's really relevant because wherever you are in your life right now, whatever money problems, whatever, relationship problems, even whatever health problems, your ego is scanning the terrain, looking around and saying, you know what? My person is alive. Therefore, I do not want to risk the status quo, even if it's, even if they think it's a positive change. I don't wanna risk anything changing because I can't predict the probability of survival if that person gets this thing that they want. So, for example, someone out there might wanna, um, end up, you know, they wanna be rich and famous, but for all your ego knows is when you become famous, you're gonna get a stalker.

9:01 And that's a threat to your survival for all. Your ego knows. When you get rich, you're gonna have distant family coming out of, uh, outta nowhere to try to s. You know, sue you for your home or, or who knows what another threat to survival. So this, this ego, it actually loves you and it's, it's a misguided attempt to protect you by, because it's not interested against, it doesn't care about your satisfaction, it doesn't care about your comfort, it certainly doesn't care about your fulfillment. It only cares about your survival. And right now it's like, I know my person's alive. I don't wanna risk it. And because it's got more influence than the conscious mind, it's gonna be that, that voice, that whisper in your ear, you know that devil on your shoulder. That when you've like started working out consistently, it'll be the one to tell you, you know, you've done such a good job, you don't gotta work out today.

9:47 Or, you know what, you've done so great in your diet. You can grab a box of donuts. Or, you know, you've done so great in your lava traction manifesting methods. You could skip a week. It's fine. Like whatever it is, whatever that nudge it can do it through. Through, um, doubt it can do it through, um, you know, a subversion of your, of your ambition. It could do it in so many different ways. I know this is a long-winded answer, but I'm really trying to drive home the point because this is everything. If, if anyone just has that self-awareness and they know what's going on, suddenly they are operating from a brand new position in their life in order to prevent this from continually holding them back in whatever they want in their life. I see.

10:27 Yeah, it is. When you put ego and then you said it's like a, the, that survivor mentality I got like this I don't wanna say shiver, but it, it reminded me of like, man, that's like one of the lowest vibratory levels of conscious of. Of just thinking of opportunities, thinking of outside the box. When you're in survival mode, you're not creative. You're just trying to survive and you're running and you know, you're in that fear mode. You're right. F e a r forget everything and run. So it's interesting how you put that in there and then you have the logic trying to keep you in that one spot. I'm glad that you brought that up. The issue of ego being something that can. Keep you behind, but is there a way to position the ego to put you in a higher state of mind, like using it for good.

11:14 Like what's the positive side of ego with law of attraction, if any? Yeah, well, you'll notice I, I talked about three minds. We talked about the conscious, the ego, and the subconscious. And the subconscious really is the powerhouse that can be your friend in the situation. Because to me, what I found in my own life, the, the answer to solution here is bypassing the ego by feeding your subconscious mind. Thoughts, feelings, images of the things that you want. Because once that's going on, once your subconscious mind has that vision of it, it doesn't matter what your ego does, because it's like, as I wrote in my book, it's kind of like, you know, fighting, you know, wrestling with a grizzly bear. You're not gonna beat the grizzly bear.

11:54 And to the ego, and certainly to the conscious mind, your subconscious is a grizzly. So the key to this is, okay. How do I do this? How do I stop the eagle from getting an I way? Let me experiment and find manifesting methods, whether it's visualization or scripting, or simple gratitude exercises that are so enjoyable that I can actually look forward to doing them for only five minutes a day. Because five minutes is all it takes because positive thoughts and emotions are so much more powerful than the negative ones. And so if I can just find something that's so enjoyable that I can do it every single day for a few minutes. That's feeding the messages what you want to the subconscious mind and also in my belief to the universe and to the, the energetic ether out there for, for things to happen as well.

12:36 So the key is, um, five minutes a day of something that feels good to visualize on for gratitude, and that does a lot of the heavy lifting for you. Mm. Okay. Okay. Five minutes. That's it. Speaking of gratitude, I'm looking at something that I want to ask you and you tied into it, but the concept of. The of time and the time lapse method that you have on that sheet of information that you gave me? I think I like back to the future, I like time travel movies. I'm thinking of time like this could be like traveling through timer, like it intrigued me. Time lapse method can you go into that? I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with time travel, but it does sound like it's like one of those five minute methods that we can share, right?

13:22 If you can elaborate on that. It's a form of time travel. When, when you think, like, you know, you can think about it in that way, but I'll put it this way. Time lapse method. Um, one of my absolute fa uh, favorite methods that I, that I included in, in my book. so the way I kind of describe this is, This is all about thinking, you know, feeling good while thinking about what you have or what you want, or both. And the way the time Lapse Method works is very simple. What you're gonna do is you're going to write down 15 things that you are grateful for. Five of them are things from your past. Five of them are things in your present, and five are things that you want in your future. Only you're gonna phrase every single sentence in the present tense as if it's already happening.

14:03 Like for example, my penthouse apartment. You know, I'm so, I'm so grateful for my penthouse apartment. Is it the one that I had? The one I have, or the one I'm gonna have? You can't tell. And neither, by the way, can your ego, your subconscious mind. But, so you're gonna write down these 15 statements, you know, five past five present, five future, and then you're gonna jumble up the list. Maybe the first thing is a present item, then a future, then a past, then another future, another present. And all you're gonna do is you're going to take that list and you can say it in your mind, or you could say it out loud, but you're going to read each item one at a time and you're gonna give yourself, you know, about 60 seconds to bask in the joy and the emotion and the appreciation of whatever that thing is. And then you're gonna do the next one, and then you're gonna do the next one, and then the next one.

14:47 So this is more like a 15 minute one if you really wanna. Soak up the vibes, although you can always choose three, three and three or, or do whatever. But the really cool thing about this is, you know, um, 10, I'm sorry. Uh, I, you said you could do 15 minutes if, if it's longer, if you have more. Is does that more magnetic or no. Um, it, it can be, but I don't worry about that. I mean, technically it is, but like, I'll put it this way, five is enough. Anything more is gravy. But, but the one thing that you don't want to do is you don't wanna like do 30 minutes for the sake of 30 minutes to the point where you're bored and impatient, because if you're bored and you're impatient, While you're trying to do this, you're actually putting out the, the negative energy of, of the lack of what you want.

15:28 But, uh, but real quick, just to finish up the, the method here. So the, a critical thing about this, this thing is two-thirds of that list is actually real. Because two-thirds are things that have either happened for you already or are happening. Therefore, the gratitude that you feel for those things, there's a level of certainty and power and, and just enthusiasm to it that you just can't manufacture, that you just can't fake. But because we as humans don't downshift very easily, that level of gratitude will also carry over into the future items, which again, we've jumbled up into the list. So the kind of confidence that you have. In that first job that you ever gave, that you ever got that you're grateful for will be the same thing for the promotion that you want.

16:12 You'll feel that enthusiasm. So it's time travel in the sense that I'm, this method is a great way of feeling wonderful. Not only about the things that you have, but the things that are on the way, and as a way of instilling confidence and enthusiasm and joy, and opening the floodgates and opening the energy to invite those things way more quickly and way more easily into your life. That's pretty cool. You are literally tricking the ego and I, I see the ego as like this character that's like, I don't know what's going on. Like does he have a penthouse? What's really going on? I have no choice but to just give it energy, like, all right, let's, let's make some decisions. All right, subconscious. All right. Let's work with each other.

16:53 Cuz we, we just have a list and it's all happening now, but logic, I don't get it. All right, let's just go. Let's just go. He, he got us. I don't know. I don't know. And there's a cool element to this cuz like, you know, while you're, I guess for lack of a better word, you're tricking the subconscious mind. But here's the really cool part, all right? You trick the subconscious. You get the thing that you want. You all of a sudden you've gone from making five figures a year to six figures a year. Well, you do that for iRANO, four weeks, six weeks, eight weeks, 12 weeks, whatever. Your ego's gonna figure out that you're alive, meaning. From you've, you've got this new level that you've attained that your ego will fight tooth and nail to keep you out here.

17:34 So just as like, maybe it's gonna be hard, like it's still gonna try to keep you from seven figures. It's also trying to try to keep you from going back to five figures because it now recognizes a new point that you reached in your life. A level of wealth, a level of health. A level of positivity relationships that now it will fight tooth and nail to protect. This is why sometimes people like they get these big jobs and, and they get these big wins, and then they get fired or they quit or something and they lose their wealth, but only temporarily and before long they're back at that station of life. It's because they've already established with their ego that it's safe to be there. Therefore, it's a smoother, quicker road to get their way back whenever they need to.

18:14 Mm, I like that. I can totally see that. I can totally see myself and other people fighting themselves on like, whether you don't deserve it or, you know, more money, more problems type of thing. Where you, you just listen to that on the radio, you go outside and you, you know, you start applying it. So I like that. Um, I was actually thinking, I want to ask you this. I wonder how the Wheel of Karma has to do with all this. Is it possible for Karma if you, let's say you have bagged karma and you're like using the law of attraction and you have these affirmations and you're appreciative, um, have you seen any instances where karma would block you if you have like really bad karma?

19:00 So, so there's interesting levels to this because, um, I have levels of answer to this question cuz like, like one level on, I'm, I'm gonna give you a number of levels, but one level of my answer is I don't know. You know what I mean? It's like I can say, I know, I can think, I know, I can say and think that I saw something that was karma when maybe it wasn't karma. So like, on one level, I don't know, on another level of my experience or on a hunch or, or based on my intuition or based on a download I'm getting right now as I'm inspired to answer this question, I, I think there, there's a level of influence, like, you know, what the person believes impacts what they let or don't let into their life. I, so for example, you know, I think.

19:42 When we hear karma, you probably think like, you know what? Goes round, comes round, you do good, you get good, you do bad, you get bad. So the way I'm interpreting your question is like, if you do bad in the past, will that hold you back for the present? And, and here's, here's where it really gets interesting. Um, if you feel guilty or you believe you deserve to be punished, You're going to be carrying that belief and that's going to manifest itself again, whether it's through the energetic ether or it's just through your subconscious mind, being programmed by you, by these thoughts and feelings and opinions. Um, by that same token, maybe again, karma is a thing and even if you have that level of belief and you've forgiven yourself, there might be a residual, um, energetic receipt that you've gotta deal with.

20:24 So, so my ultimate answer is like, if you've done bad, Worked. Do your best to make it right. Do your best to forgive yourself, do your best to pay things forward, and do your best to focus on good. Because the only thing you can do from this point is, you know, seek what in your mind really is a redemption because, you know, ultimately, um, the goal would hopefully be, you know, for your happiness and your success and your fulfillment to be living a good life where you're serving others and you're doing right by others, rather than, you know, screwing them over or anything like that. Mm. And, and as I'm reflecting on your answer, I'm also thinking, um, Uh, you getting into your ego, let's say if you have a goal, I can see the universe and just everything being set up so that you can become the person that deserves it.

21:15 And at the same time, I I, I'm aware that appreciation helps alleviate a lot of karma based off of what I've. Red and hurt. So it aligns with what you were saying, which is you may be carrying a lot of baggage of regrets of things you've done and you know better, but it's like, I don't deserve this. You know, you go home and you look at yourself in the mirror and you're like, you're still piece of stuff. You know, and, and you know, you don't deserve the good things that happened. You just got lucky. Um, and I feel like. Gratitude is like one of the hugest things that you could do. Um, and are, are you familiar with like, you know, how they take pictures of your energy field and your different emotions that are associated with like different brightness in different areas of your body?

22:03 Mm-hmm. Um, from what I understand last time I checked, the energy of appreciation is like the brightest right? well, so different people define things differently, but like appreciation and gratitude and love. Those depending on the study or depending on, you know, the person reporting the results, it's usually one or all of those that are always like on the top. And the cool thing about that is like, you know, love. Love is to a certain extent, it's reserved for someone where there's like an emotional connection or things like that, whereas gratitude and appreciation don't carry that requirement. So they're better in the sense that they're more easily accessible regardless of where you are in your life and and who you're interacting with.

22:49 Hmm. What do you, th what are your thoughts on this? If love is oneness, right? Um, would appreciation be, um, being in the state of being present? In the state of oneness? I would agree with that. I mean, I was just about to word it a little bit differently where like, you know, gratitude or appreciation are, are a pathway or an, or an access point. the energy and the feeling and the experience of love. Interesting. Very interesting. This is like we, we've got, I feel like. Good content in a short period of time.

23:31 I'm a fast talker. That helps. Right. And one quick thing just to throw back on the karma, just cuz it came to mind and I, I want to help people with one thing. Not that I'm condoning violence, but say you, 10 years ago, you punched somebody really hard in the face and you feel horrible about it for all you know, when you punched them in the face. You force'em to go to the hospital where they did a scan of their head and they found, they found a tumor that if you had not punched them, they would not have found it in time and helped them. Like sometimes the things that you do wrong end up serving people. I'm not saying to let yourself off the hook, I'm just saying, you know, there's so much going on that we don't even realize where sometimes things that we do that we think that we should be guilty for where we should.

24:12 I mean, you know, you don't wanna hit somebody, but you might have technically done that. Somebody a, a begrudging favor. In whatever thing that you perceive as negative towards them. I was actually I was, when you said, you know, you punched somebody I'm visualizing someone and saying, all right, cool. And they're just punching someone like, I'm serving you. We don't know what's going This is for you, not for me. This is for you. I'm building my karma. I had a conversation earlier today with somebody and it's relevant to. I guess you can say the Dark Knight of the Soul and also the, the idea of just there are certain times where like just the overall energy of the atmosphere is just negative or just dark or heavy.

24:56 How is there a way, and if there is, how can you use the love of attraction or any type of exercises to get out of like that dark space, right? Like, I've been to an event, for example, and I was just drained, you know, and there was just, at that point there was just nowhere to go. Do you have any exercises for that or any thoughts on that? Yeah. Well, it's interesting you said like, you know, use law of attraction. I mean, I don't view the law of attraction as something that I get what you mean, but not something that can be used. It's just, it just is, you know what I mean? Like attracts like, but based on the knowledge of law of attraction, what you can use or what you can leverage is gratitude and appreciation.

25:36 So put it this, this way, you know, you're going through your dark Night of the soul and. I've been through it. I'm sure you've been through it, like, you know, we've, we've be been through these things and sometimes there's a, there's a necessary element to this, but also there's something where you want to experience a level of relief where you wanna move yourself into the light. The fastest, easiest way for all of this is to find a way of accessing appreciation. Accessing gratitude, to which some p some people say, well, You know, that's easier said than done when there's something really horrible going on and, and I'll agree with that and I can't pretend like I know what it feels for anybody else when they're in a negative state. But I would say this, wherever you are in your life, whatever's going on, it's still very possible to be grateful for your heart, which is beating every second of every minute.

26:26 Of every hour, of every day, of every week, of every month, of every year, of every decade that you've been alive, tirelessly and selflessly pumping blood, oxygen, nutrients, to all these other organs in your body that serve you for your hands, your fingers, your toes, your feet, your legs, your arms, your eyes, your sense of sight, your ears, your sense of hearing, your skin, your sense of of touch. You know, it taste. Smell like all of these things. Every person, even if they're not there with you right now, that's been there for you in the past, every person that's done you a favor, every meal that you've had that you never even had to pay for every night you've had a roof over your head, every moment you've had clothes on your back, like there's always something to be grateful for, even in the midst of whatever's going on.

27:10 And by having the self-awareness to be able to access this. Ideally it's, it could hopefully help you get past whatever's going on. Not to the point of, of like, oh, I'm, I'm completely over this. That's up to you. But to the point where you can do what the most important thing is right now, and that's live life. I mean, you're alive, you might as well enjoy being alive and, and that's kind of my viewpoint on it. Wow. I think we can close there because that was just like a good perspective. I, I mean, I saw my heart beating. I saw everything. I'm very visual, I do hope that um, you listening out there in the audience that you, Considerate if you were a skeptic.

27:52 Considerate. Especially if you, I mean, if you're, if it's 28, almost 29 minutes in, if you're still listening, then awesome. This is awesome because you got a lot out of this, cuz I know I did. So this is pretty cool. Andrew any last tips, tricks, or pieces of advice that you wanna close on after doing that? Nice closure. Yeah. Yeah. Well first of all, like what I just did was a version of what I call gratitude blitz, where like all you have to do is, you know, you set a timer for one minute, three minutes, five minutes, whatever. And in that time, just think for as many things as you can that you can be grateful for. And by the way, if you don't believe in the law of attraction, guess what? That's okay. You don't need to, in order for things to get better, simply take five minutes out every single day.

28:37 Think of things to be grateful for, and then watch and see what happens. And here's the really cool part. Here's the thing that you know, you can write in the review. Remember I said like, what's the golden nugget? Even if nothing is manifested, the fancy car doesn't come, the fancy house doesn't come to whatever. You know, let's say I'm either wrong or I'm diluted or aligned, or whatever. Just those five minutes that you're feeling good, that is a win in and of itself where you would otherwise might have been stressed over your spouse, your business, the state of the world, or something else. Every minute, every moment that you can just feel good and feel grateful, that's a win. And that's a real takeaway that I want people to have. I like that win. We all knew wins and wins.

29:19 That, that feeling of achievement can do so much, especially for confidence. It helps me a lot in, in a state where you may not feel confident and you wanna make decisions, especially if you're over decisive. Undecisive not over indecisive, under un indecisive. There you go. That's the word. Yeah, counting those wins is huge. So that really, that really got me. Andrew, thank you. Thank you so much for being on the show. I know that You are working on something else, and feel free to share as we close out what you're working on right now. I think it's a new book, right? Yeah, well, I've actually I just launched it a couple weeks ago. It's called Just Feel Good. And it's interesting that you bring it up now because, you know, I remember I said like, you don't have to believe in the love of attraction.

30:01 Just feel good is basically me explaining this stuff. Without ever using Law of Attraction or manifestation in the explanations. So it is basically the purpose of it was that, you know, if, if people were not down with Law of Attraction or they were, but they, they don't think that their friend is, here's a, here's an easy book that you can give them where there's, you know, there's no resistance to, to whatever. They're gonna learn from it. And you can get either book on Amazon, you can get either book on Audible, you can get the audio book on Apple Books. And if you're in the States, I have easy links to these@awesomemarvelous.com. Or again, you can search for on your local Amazon, your regional audible for the last Law of attraction book you'll ever need to read or my new book.

30:42 Just feel good Awesome sauce. thank you again for coming on the show, man, and I look forward to staying connected. pleasures all mine. John, thanks so much for having me.