Wikie and Keijo Orcas: The Breakthrough That Could Save Them, Or Come Too Late

1
00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,370
You are not going to believe this.

2
00:00:02,370 --> 00:00:05,700
France just made a major move
that could change the fate

3
00:00:05,790 --> 00:00:08,280
of two captive orcas forever.

4
00:00:08,370 --> 00:00:10,740
But here's the part that
no one's talking about.

5
00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:14,070
This decision does not mean
they are leaving tomorrow.

6
00:00:14,070 --> 00:00:17,970
We're gonna talk about that and the
Whale Sanctuary Project on this episode

7
00:00:17,970 --> 00:00:19,650
of the How to Protect the Ocean Podcast.

8
00:00:20,100 --> 00:00:21,120
Let's start the show.

9
00:00:24,085 --> 00:00:24,595
Hey everybody.

10
00:00:24,595 --> 00:00:28,165
Welcome back to another exciting episode
of the How to Protect the Ocean Podcast.

11
00:00:28,165 --> 00:00:31,045
I'm your host, and/or Lewin, Marine
biologist and science communicator

12
00:00:31,105 --> 00:00:33,865
here to tell you what's happening with
the ocean, how you can speak up for

13
00:00:33,865 --> 00:00:38,004
the ocean, and what you can do to live
for a better ocean by taking action.

14
00:00:38,004 --> 00:00:43,195
On today's episode, we are going to
be talking about two orcas in France

15
00:00:43,254 --> 00:00:48,144
who might make a trip across the
Atlantic into Canada to join the Marine

16
00:00:48,144 --> 00:00:50,215
Sanctuary Project in Nova Scotia.

17
00:00:50,220 --> 00:00:50,360
This.

18
00:00:50,715 --> 00:00:54,075
I'll be honest, I never thought
we'd actually get to this point.

19
00:00:54,375 --> 00:00:58,695
This is something that I didn't
think was gonna happen anytime soon.

20
00:00:58,845 --> 00:01:00,135
I thought it was gonna
happen down the road.

21
00:01:00,135 --> 00:01:03,975
I've done two episodes on this
before on these latest developments,

22
00:01:04,065 --> 00:01:08,025
but before we were talking about
belugas in Marine land in Canada.

23
00:01:08,115 --> 00:01:12,735
Now we're talking about two orcas
in Marineland and TIB is in France.

24
00:01:12,960 --> 00:01:16,440
And we are going to be talking about
that by going through a bunch of things.

25
00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:18,480
We're gonna talk a little bit
about the orcas and give you a

26
00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:19,830
little bit of history on that.

27
00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:23,850
We're gonna talk about what France
actually decided, why this is

28
00:01:23,850 --> 00:01:27,030
such a big change from earlier
rejections that France has made.

29
00:01:27,270 --> 00:01:31,410
What still has to happen before
any of these orcas go anywhere?

30
00:01:31,570 --> 00:01:35,500
And what the Whale Sanctuary project
has to say about this and what Canada

31
00:01:35,500 --> 00:01:41,170
has said and not said, why this moment
matters for captive citations globally,

32
00:01:41,290 --> 00:01:42,730
and what to watch out for next.

33
00:01:42,730 --> 00:01:45,250
We're gonna talk about that all
today, so I can't wait to do it.

34
00:01:45,310 --> 00:01:48,610
But let's just get into what
this means and who are the

35
00:01:48,610 --> 00:01:49,960
orcas that we're talking about.

36
00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:52,030
So we're talking about Wiki and Caho.

37
00:01:52,030 --> 00:01:54,340
They are right now in Marine land.

38
00:01:54,730 --> 00:01:57,880
Tib in France, And so just a little talk.

39
00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:02,350
They were both born in marineland of
anti tib, so Wiki the birth in origin.

40
00:02:02,350 --> 00:02:06,610
So Wiki is a female Icelandic
orca, born on June 1st, 2001.

41
00:02:06,730 --> 00:02:10,690
So she's about 24 years old at marineland
of anti tib in France, meaning that

42
00:02:10,690 --> 00:02:13,120
she's never lived outside of captivity.

43
00:02:13,305 --> 00:02:16,635
So her parents were captive
orcas captured in the wild for

44
00:02:16,635 --> 00:02:18,165
the parks breeding program.

45
00:02:18,195 --> 00:02:22,575
Wiki grew up in the concrete tanks and
performed shows throughout her life.

46
00:02:22,665 --> 00:02:26,955
She became known internationally for
learning to mimic some human speech

47
00:02:26,955 --> 00:02:28,335
sounds, which is kind of interesting.

48
00:02:28,455 --> 00:02:32,865
And then Wiki has given birth to
two calves at Marineland Moana,

49
00:02:32,865 --> 00:02:37,845
who was born March 16th, 2011,
unfortunately died October, 2023.

50
00:02:37,935 --> 00:02:40,635
And Caho the other orca that
we're talking about, which was

51
00:02:40,635 --> 00:02:42,675
born in November 20th, in 20.

52
00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:48,820
13. So Wiki has been in concrete
tanks for 24 years now as of 2025,

53
00:02:48,910 --> 00:02:51,280
so a release would be great for her.

54
00:02:51,429 --> 00:02:56,560
And Ke Jo, as I said before, born
November 20th, 2013, at the same facility

55
00:02:56,649 --> 00:02:58,600
like his mother, ke Jo has never left.

56
00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:04,190
Captivity growing up in the park tanks
and being part of the performances until

57
00:03:04,250 --> 00:03:09,080
citation shows were actually banned in
France, similar to Canada and the US Ke

58
00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:14,090
Joe's Wiki's younger son, his sibling
Moana, died in 2023, And then Ke Jo has

59
00:03:14,090 --> 00:03:15,950
been in those same tanks for about 12.

60
00:03:16,100 --> 00:03:16,880
Years.

61
00:03:16,970 --> 00:03:18,530
Now, here's the situation.

62
00:03:18,530 --> 00:03:23,840
So Marine Land was the only facility
in France housing orcas in 2021, French

63
00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:28,579
law banned captive whale and dolphin
shows putting an end date of December,

64
00:03:28,579 --> 00:03:30,500
2026 for all animals still being held.

65
00:03:30,500 --> 00:03:32,359
So no shows for those animals.

66
00:03:32,380 --> 00:03:36,640
As a result, Marineland closed to
the public in January, 2025, but

67
00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:40,690
Wiki occasional remain in those
tanks pending relocation decisions.

68
00:03:40,780 --> 00:03:44,620
Now, those tanks, unfortunately, are
deteriorating in the care and the

69
00:03:44,620 --> 00:03:48,609
water quality's getting worse, so there
is a bit of a hurry in that respect.

70
00:03:48,700 --> 00:03:51,970
But unfortunately, like the previously
facility house, a small group of

71
00:03:51,970 --> 00:03:53,745
orcas, Moana died as I mentioned.

72
00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:58,239
And there was also Anu Wiki's
brother died in March, 2024,

73
00:03:58,239 --> 00:04:01,810
leaving just Wiki and Keho, the
two orcas that are left in France.

74
00:04:01,930 --> 00:04:05,200
So unfortunately, like I said, observers
and animal welfare groups, they've

75
00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:09,280
reported on the decay tanks and poor
water quality since the parks closure.

76
00:04:09,340 --> 00:04:13,060
Raising concerns about the orcas
wellbeing as they wait relocation.

77
00:04:13,060 --> 00:04:16,600
Now relocation is a very difficult
thing as we've seen in Canada.

78
00:04:16,630 --> 00:04:19,420
There's certain ways that government
can step in and be like, Hey, we don't

79
00:04:19,420 --> 00:04:22,960
want them to go to another theme park,
but we don't really have another.

80
00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:24,549
Option at this point.

81
00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:28,960
So this is a problem right now where
water quality's getting worse, the tanks

82
00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:32,500
are decaying because there's no money
coming in because the park has shut down.

83
00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:34,930
What do we do with these orcas?

84
00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:40,659
So here's what France has actually
decided as of the date of this recording.

85
00:04:40,750 --> 00:04:41,770
It could change.

86
00:04:41,830 --> 00:04:43,299
It has changed in the past.

87
00:04:43,390 --> 00:04:47,169
They essentially said that they
are signing over the two orcas.

88
00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:50,390
To the Whale Sanctuary
Project in Nova Scotia.

89
00:04:50,390 --> 00:04:52,280
Now the key thing here is
that they're signing over.

90
00:04:52,370 --> 00:04:53,180
We don't know what that means.

91
00:04:53,180 --> 00:04:54,470
I'll clarify that in a second.

92
00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,050
But this is interesting 'cause
they're changing their tune from

93
00:04:57,140 --> 00:05:00,560
a couple of months ago when they
said No, there's no way that the

94
00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:04,550
Whale Sanctuary project is ready for
relocation at this point in time.

95
00:05:04,610 --> 00:05:06,350
And so we're not even thinking about it.

96
00:05:06,350 --> 00:05:09,710
But now they've actually said
they're signing over these two orcas.

97
00:05:09,710 --> 00:05:12,140
So essentially what that means is
they're endorsing with the Whale

98
00:05:12,140 --> 00:05:14,150
Sanctuary Project as an option.

99
00:05:14,385 --> 00:05:17,805
So it doesn't mean that they're saying,
Hey, France has not formally identified

100
00:05:17,865 --> 00:05:21,015
that the Whale Sanctuary project is
gonna be the place, but they've formally

101
00:05:21,015 --> 00:05:26,325
identified as the preferred and ethical
destination for the orcas and committed

102
00:05:26,325 --> 00:05:28,125
to working towards that outcome.

103
00:05:28,185 --> 00:05:30,015
I know a lot of you aren't
gonna be happy about this.

104
00:05:30,015 --> 00:05:34,425
People aren't buying into the Whale
Sanctuary project for a number of.

105
00:05:34,860 --> 00:05:38,490
It could be because one, they're American
and they're working in Canadian waters.

106
00:05:38,550 --> 00:05:40,890
They haven't gotten funding, which
we'll talk about in a second.

107
00:05:41,010 --> 00:05:43,260
Nothing is built yet, which
we'll talk about as well.

108
00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:45,090
So there's a lot of
people who are against it.

109
00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:46,890
This is not me endorsing it as well.

110
00:05:46,950 --> 00:05:48,630
There's a lot to happen here.

111
00:05:48,630 --> 00:05:51,480
I would like to see these
animals free at some point.

112
00:05:51,540 --> 00:05:53,490
Is it gonna be the
Whale Sanctuary project?

113
00:05:53,730 --> 00:05:54,570
Who knows?

114
00:05:54,780 --> 00:05:56,700
But there's a case for it.

115
00:05:57,030 --> 00:05:58,740
So this is a huge change.

116
00:05:58,770 --> 00:06:03,390
As I mentioned before, France previously
rejected the relocation plans, citing a,

117
00:06:03,390 --> 00:06:05,100
you know, readiness and timing concern.

118
00:06:05,100 --> 00:06:09,540
So the fact is there's nothing built
for this whale sanctuary in Nova Scotia.

119
00:06:09,660 --> 00:06:11,640
They don't have permissions, they
don't have a lot of things, so

120
00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:12,900
there's a lot of things that happen.

121
00:06:12,900 --> 00:06:16,530
But this newsstand signals that the
government now accepts the sanctuary

122
00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:20,880
model as a viable and compliant
with French animal welfare law.

123
00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:25,830
So they must have done some talking or
more research into what was planned here.

124
00:06:25,860 --> 00:06:29,100
And again, I've said this in other
episodes, this sanctuary, as I've

125
00:06:29,100 --> 00:06:32,460
talked to the people of the whale
sanctuary before, I've done interviews

126
00:06:32,460 --> 00:06:35,160
with them before, a link to the
show that I've done with them.

127
00:06:35,220 --> 00:06:37,620
It's interesting to hear
what they have planned.

128
00:06:37,740 --> 00:06:41,100
This is not a plan where they just throw
the animal in And then just leave it.

129
00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:45,420
These animals have been a captivity
for all of their lives, both animals.

130
00:06:45,455 --> 00:06:48,300
So they have to say, okay,
Wiki and Keho are here.

131
00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:49,350
Say they arrive.

132
00:06:49,595 --> 00:06:50,255
What happens?

133
00:06:50,255 --> 00:06:51,965
They have to have full-time care.

134
00:06:52,175 --> 00:06:53,645
They have to have people
feeding it all the time.

135
00:06:53,645 --> 00:06:56,765
They have to have veterinarians on
staff to be able to look after these

136
00:06:56,765 --> 00:06:58,625
animals and make sure that they are okay.

137
00:06:58,745 --> 00:07:00,875
There's gonna be a lot of
people looking at this.

138
00:07:01,025 --> 00:07:04,535
This is a sanctuary model, just
like Kako from the movie, free

139
00:07:04,535 --> 00:07:06,635
Willy, just like that, that animal.

140
00:07:06,789 --> 00:07:08,050
They have to watch everything.

141
00:07:08,050 --> 00:07:10,360
They have to observe things,
they have to test things out.

142
00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:14,050
It is an experiment, but it's
also an experiment of two very

143
00:07:14,050 --> 00:07:18,099
sensitive animals have gone through
a very traumatic life so far.

144
00:07:18,219 --> 00:07:20,680
And so this is all gonna be new to them.

145
00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,110
And so they're gonna have to
watch this as much as possible.

146
00:07:23,229 --> 00:07:27,099
So it's not as if they're just releasing
it into the wild and hoping for the best.

147
00:07:27,099 --> 00:07:30,310
So there's a lot of stuff that still
has to happen before we go into it.

148
00:07:30,310 --> 00:07:31,719
So here it is.

149
00:07:31,719 --> 00:07:33,219
I'm gonna talk to you about what.

150
00:07:33,270 --> 00:07:36,359
Hurdles need to be cleared
before this can happen.

151
00:07:36,450 --> 00:07:39,539
So the sanctuary infrastructure
still needs to be completed.

152
00:07:39,539 --> 00:07:41,010
It hasn't been completed yet.

153
00:07:41,130 --> 00:07:42,450
Funding must be secured.

154
00:07:42,450 --> 00:07:45,210
That's probably why the sanctuary
infrastructure hasn't been cleared.

155
00:07:45,299 --> 00:07:49,799
But also the transport logistics and
veterinary plans must be finalized.

156
00:07:49,799 --> 00:07:51,990
And the biggest thing that are
really stopping all of this.

157
00:07:52,825 --> 00:07:57,475
Canadian permits have to happen, and
regulatory approvals are still required,

158
00:07:57,535 --> 00:08:01,855
even so the people who live around there
still have to approve the sanctuary.

159
00:08:01,855 --> 00:08:04,645
And at this point, everything that
I've seen, it doesn't look good.

160
00:08:05,385 --> 00:08:06,255
It doesn't look good.

161
00:08:06,255 --> 00:08:09,285
So there still has to have a lot of things
that need to happen before that happens.

162
00:08:09,285 --> 00:08:13,395
And also Marine Land's role in
cooperation still matter in this.

163
00:08:13,395 --> 00:08:15,375
So they have to prep the animals,
they have to get it going.

164
00:08:15,435 --> 00:08:18,225
I don't know from French law
if they have to approve it.

165
00:08:18,225 --> 00:08:20,865
I don't think they have to approve
it, but I think the government of

166
00:08:20,865 --> 00:08:24,405
France has kind of taken over and
hoping for the best for these animals.

167
00:08:24,405 --> 00:08:27,675
So we'll see what happens,
but momentum has increased.

168
00:08:28,020 --> 00:08:30,330
Just the process needs
is not finished yet.

169
00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:34,230
And when we talk about funding,
this is a huge thing, right?

170
00:08:34,230 --> 00:08:38,160
So the sanctuary welcomed France's
decision that they wanna see this happen.

171
00:08:38,250 --> 00:08:41,970
They've confirmed coordination with
French authorities and with Marine Land

172
00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:47,280
of ies, and they've emphasized a realistic
timeline that could extend into the 2026.

173
00:08:47,370 --> 00:08:49,830
A lot of things that I've seen,
and I can't confirm if this is

174
00:08:49,830 --> 00:08:50,905
right or not, but I've seen summer.

175
00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:52,209
Of 2026.

176
00:08:52,420 --> 00:08:53,439
That's six months away.

177
00:08:53,500 --> 00:08:54,370
That's not far.

178
00:08:54,459 --> 00:08:57,640
So that's gonna be really
interesting to see if this happens.

179
00:08:57,640 --> 00:08:59,410
But the optimism is paired with caution.

180
00:08:59,500 --> 00:09:02,709
Right now in the bank, the
sanctuary project has $2 million.

181
00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:07,089
They need probably 12 to $15
million to complete the project,

182
00:09:07,150 --> 00:09:10,240
the infrastructure, the care of
the staff, all that kind of stuff.

183
00:09:10,329 --> 00:09:12,310
This is like a big thing now.

184
00:09:12,875 --> 00:09:16,865
Something that we've haven't talked about
yet is what Canada has and has not set.

185
00:09:17,015 --> 00:09:20,435
So the Canadian Department of Fisheries
and Oceans, which is in charge of

186
00:09:20,435 --> 00:09:25,085
animal welfare within the government
of Canada, has not issued any specific

187
00:09:25,085 --> 00:09:28,085
public statement about France's
decision yet as of this recording,

188
00:09:28,085 --> 00:09:30,515
we have not heard from Canada.

189
00:09:30,665 --> 00:09:33,185
This doesn't mean that they've
rejected the idea and it doesn't

190
00:09:33,185 --> 00:09:34,895
mean that they've approved it.

191
00:09:34,895 --> 00:09:37,715
It just means that the process is
probably still under review and

192
00:09:37,715 --> 00:09:40,115
they're probably speaking with
French authorities to find out.

193
00:09:40,315 --> 00:09:41,815
How this is gonna go forward.

194
00:09:41,845 --> 00:09:46,165
So silence is not necessarily approval or
denial, it's just procedural right now.

195
00:09:46,165 --> 00:09:49,135
And this could take longer
than summer of 2026.

196
00:09:49,165 --> 00:09:50,905
I feel like that's an optimistic date.

197
00:09:50,965 --> 00:09:52,285
I'd love to hear what you think.

198
00:09:52,405 --> 00:09:55,915
Let me know in the comments or go
to speak up for blue.com/feedback.

199
00:09:55,975 --> 00:09:57,320
I'd love to hear your thoughts on this.

200
00:09:58,020 --> 00:10:02,580
This is a big thing for releasing
captive citations globally.

201
00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:04,110
This is a big deal, right?

202
00:10:04,110 --> 00:10:07,800
This decision strengthens the
legitimacy of ocean sanctuaries

203
00:10:07,830 --> 00:10:09,600
as alternative to tanks.

204
00:10:09,690 --> 00:10:13,920
It sets a precedent for other
countries and raises expectations

205
00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:17,610
that governments must act when
captivity is no longer legal or.

206
00:10:18,675 --> 00:10:20,115
So this is a big change.

207
00:10:20,115 --> 00:10:26,834
Like we've seen huge changes in the last
like 15 to 20 years around cean captivity,

208
00:10:26,985 --> 00:10:29,354
so whale captivity, dolphin captivity.

209
00:10:29,444 --> 00:10:33,944
We've seen some aquariums release
or plan to release captive dolphins.

210
00:10:33,944 --> 00:10:37,305
We've seen some aquariums, release
caico, like orcas has happened before.

211
00:10:37,305 --> 00:10:39,584
We're starting to see precedents of this.

212
00:10:39,665 --> 00:10:42,844
We're starting to see just captivity
in general of whales and dolphins

213
00:10:42,844 --> 00:10:45,064
and citations just stop altogether.

214
00:10:45,094 --> 00:10:49,324
And so something has to be done
with these animals now that

215
00:10:49,324 --> 00:10:50,615
they can't be taken care of.

216
00:10:50,615 --> 00:10:52,985
And now that there's no money coming
into these facilities 'cause they

217
00:10:52,985 --> 00:10:56,224
haven't changed their business
model, how do we protect these

218
00:10:56,224 --> 00:11:01,055
animals from their inevitable
death in, you know, a very dismal.

219
00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:06,170
Tank that's probably falling apart and
that the water quality is going to crap.

220
00:11:06,230 --> 00:11:06,860
Let's be honest.

221
00:11:06,860 --> 00:11:07,850
That's what it's really going to.

222
00:11:07,850 --> 00:11:12,410
So Wiki and Kajo could influence
far more than their own future.

223
00:11:12,410 --> 00:11:16,520
They could be the precedent of
releasing captive whales into

224
00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:17,660
seaside whale sanctuaries.

225
00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:18,560
That's a huge thing.

226
00:11:19,680 --> 00:11:23,160
Here's what you need to look for in
the next steps of what's gonna happen.

227
00:11:23,340 --> 00:11:26,460
Formal Canadian permitting
steps need to be taken.

228
00:11:26,490 --> 00:11:29,130
We need to hear from the Canadian
government, the DFO Department

229
00:11:29,130 --> 00:11:31,500
of Fisheries and Oceans, and
we also need to hear what's

230
00:11:31,500 --> 00:11:32,520
gonna happen with these permits.

231
00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:35,610
Now that another government, a national
government, is saying, Hey, you know what?

232
00:11:35,610 --> 00:11:40,380
We're willing to part ways with Wiki Keho
and have them come over to Nova Scotia.

233
00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:42,090
We think it's actually a good idea.

234
00:11:42,230 --> 00:11:45,380
Also construction milestones
at the sanctuary must be met.

235
00:11:45,470 --> 00:11:47,480
We need to see funding
announcements to be met.

236
00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:50,240
I have a feeling if this happens,
there will be funding, whether

237
00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:53,449
it's crowdfunding or somebody else
is gonna pony up a lot of money.

238
00:11:53,510 --> 00:11:57,560
But you know, 12 to $15 million still
needs to be raised for the sanctuary

239
00:11:57,560 --> 00:11:59,510
to be constructed and actually happen.

240
00:11:59,630 --> 00:12:01,580
And of course, official
timelines from France.

241
00:12:01,650 --> 00:12:03,630
And or the sanctuary need to be released.

242
00:12:03,689 --> 00:12:06,270
We need to see what's
gonna happen in all this.

243
00:12:06,270 --> 00:12:07,680
When's construction gonna be done?

244
00:12:07,680 --> 00:12:10,590
When's the permitting gonna happen so
that the construction could be done?

245
00:12:10,709 --> 00:12:12,120
Funding is gonna come through.

246
00:12:12,209 --> 00:12:13,319
We'll see when that happens.

247
00:12:13,319 --> 00:12:16,560
All these milestones and timelines
need to be shared at some point.

248
00:12:16,740 --> 00:12:21,810
But let's be honest, we've never been
closer to a Marine sanctuary like this,

249
00:12:21,810 --> 00:12:24,420
a whale seaside sanctuary than before.

250
00:12:24,510 --> 00:12:28,680
You know, we've have seen it in the past
to see it in Canada, my home country.

251
00:12:28,945 --> 00:12:29,695
Kind of cool.

252
00:12:29,905 --> 00:12:30,745
Will this fail?

253
00:12:30,745 --> 00:12:31,345
It could.

254
00:12:31,435 --> 00:12:32,305
It could fail.

255
00:12:32,305 --> 00:12:36,295
That's the problem is like these are
the lives of two sentient beings,

256
00:12:36,475 --> 00:12:40,255
and we do not wanna see them die
prematurely from being released

257
00:12:40,255 --> 00:12:43,405
or even the travel over here, but
we also don't wanna see them die.

258
00:12:43,405 --> 00:12:45,985
A dismal death and a tank
that's falling apart and with.

259
00:12:46,025 --> 00:12:47,255
Terrible water quality.

260
00:12:47,375 --> 00:12:50,015
I'd love to hear your thoughts
'cause I know a lot of you

261
00:12:50,015 --> 00:12:51,005
wanna share your thoughts.

262
00:12:51,095 --> 00:12:53,495
Let me know what you think
in the comments below.

263
00:12:53,495 --> 00:12:55,865
If you're watching this on YouTube,
if you're listening to this on the

264
00:12:55,865 --> 00:12:57,605
audio podcast, that's wonderful.

265
00:12:57,665 --> 00:12:59,255
I love the fact that
you're listening to that.

266
00:12:59,314 --> 00:13:02,165
Let me know what you think
in our feedback link.

267
00:13:02,165 --> 00:13:04,685
Go to speak up for blue.com/.

268
00:13:04,780 --> 00:13:06,370
Feedback and let me know there.

269
00:13:06,370 --> 00:13:08,230
I would love to have
a discussion with you.

270
00:13:08,230 --> 00:13:09,550
I'd love to hear your thoughts.

271
00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:12,850
I'm not here to agree or disagree,
I just want to hear what you think.

272
00:13:12,850 --> 00:13:16,449
So thank you so much for joining me
today and listening to the saga that

273
00:13:16,449 --> 00:13:19,930
we've seen for captive whales and
seeing if this is actually gonna happen.

274
00:13:19,930 --> 00:13:22,510
We are closer than ever and
it's gonna happen probably.

275
00:13:22,635 --> 00:13:24,915
Faster than we think,
whether we like it or not.

276
00:13:24,915 --> 00:13:26,535
So let's see what happens.

277
00:13:26,625 --> 00:13:29,955
Stay tuned, subscribe, follow
whatever you need to do to make

278
00:13:29,955 --> 00:13:33,255
sure that you stay updated on this
story and others around the ocean.

279
00:13:33,375 --> 00:13:35,895
I wanna thank you so much for
joining me on today's episode of the

280
00:13:35,895 --> 00:13:37,245
How to Protect the Ocean Podcast.

281
00:13:37,245 --> 00:13:39,735
I'm your host, and/or and from
the true nor strong and free.

282
00:13:39,885 --> 00:13:40,485
Have a great day.

283
00:13:40,485 --> 00:13:41,295
We'll talk to you next time.

284
00:13:41,295 --> 00:13:41,385
And.