Sept. 10, 2026
Shanna Moakler Is In Love, But Regrets Doing THIS For Her Ex-Husband
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RSS Feed Jana Kramer sits down with Shanna Moakler to talk about the hardships of her divorce from ex-husband Travis Barker, her regrets, and when it’s appropriate to share more with your kids.
Shanna has a new women’s wellness brand, Hello Foxi, teases about her upcoming memoir, and tells us how her real love story was 30 years in the making!
Plus, how does she REALLY feel now about appearing in her ex’s documentary?
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Speaker 1: Hey, I do part two. It's your host, Jana Kramer. And today I get to connect with a woman who is feeling her best in chapter two.
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Speaker 2: And helping other women to do the same in this next phase of life. She is in her chapter two, just like all of us. She had a high-profile marriage to Blink-182 drummer Travis Barker, and now she's found love again. She's an actress, a mother, and the founder of Hello, Foxy. Please welcome Shana Mochler to the pod. You know, I am so excited to chat with you for many reasons, but one being I am so in the start of perimenopause. Like I can't even, I honestly, I have another podcast called wind down and I was talking with my girlfriends. I'm like, I don't know what's happening. Like I'm everyone's saying my blood works fine or this is, you know, but I wasn't doing it, uh, the right time. Yeah. It's been, I was like, I feel, I felt, I have felt so out of body and like something is, is wrong. And I've been, you know, chat GP team, like what is wrong with me? Am I crazy? Like what's happening? And then everyone's, you know, it's just my age. I'm 42. And a lot of women are like, that's when it happened for me. And I'm like, what happened for you? Like, what do you mean? And now, you know, as I was going through my notes and you've started Hello Foxy, I'm so excited because it's like you're helping everything from menopause symptoms to skin wellness. Is there anything for perimenopause though?
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Speaker 1: Girl.
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Speaker 3: You don't even understand. I am so proud.
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Speaker 4: So just a little background, just so you know, I like really always looked up to Suzanne Somers. I mean, who hasn't?
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Speaker 2: I mean, it was like our mom, like my mom was watching her like from like the workouts to everything.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: You know, but she was really like the first woman who really like sort of like pioneered like menopause and anti-aging for women, you know, and really wrote those books and really opened the dialogue for Because my mom was just like raw dogging it, you know, like she like was just roughing it, you know, and I look back now and I mean, and she was having all those hot flashes.
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Speaker 3: And I was like, get over it woman.
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Speaker 4: And now I'm like, oh my God, I was so mean to my mom.
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Speaker 3: Well, she, she has it.
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Speaker 4: But to answer your question, not only do I have Perry, but I have Perry, I have pre Perry and post. So I'm actually going to be offering. three separate systems for women. So someone like yourself, you're actually really young, but women can go into menopause as early as like 28 years old.
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Speaker 2: My mom was 33, which is why I had freaked out because I wanted to have kids. I'm like, oh my God, my mom's going to, I'm going to have the same thing happen now that it didn't. But I mean, yeah, it's, crazy.
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Speaker 4: Yeah. And what are the first signs, you know, women don't even understand a lot of the times women, when they already, when they're, when they're going into like perimenopause, you know, they have maybe like hot flashes at night, you know, or, um, you know, they're gaining a little weight or their hair is getting a little thinner and they just think it's stress or they think it's anxiety or, you know, they just have no idea that it's actually their hormones that are changing. And, you know, um, one of the, uh, pharmacists who work within my company and hello Foxy, her name's Jessica Patron and She's an absolute genius pharmacist and she created an entire collection called Roots that I'm going to be implementing, which is the three systems of, um, pre Perry and post menopause. And she was telling me, she goes, you know, when I was talking to her about hot flashes, she's like, well, when do you get them? And I was like, well, at first I was just getting them at night. You know, I was like dying in the middle of the night, waking up like drenched. And she's like, well, that's your progesterone. That means your progesterone is low and that's where it starts. And so women need to take that progesterone at night. But when you start having hot flashes in the day, she was like, now that's a whole other, that's a whole other, you know, a demon there, you know, now that's estrogen and, you know, now your estrogen is gone. So now you have to take an estrogen patch and estrogen is really the one that kind of like sets it, sets us all off.
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Speaker 3: Once that estrogen drops, that's when.
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Speaker 4: You get the weight gain, you get the hair loss, you get the anxiety, you get the frozen shoulder.
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Speaker 3: I mean, there's an array. I mean, women are afraid to drive.
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Speaker 4: The craziest things start happening to us when we start.
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Speaker 3: Losing our estrogen.
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Speaker 4: And not every woman can go on estrogen replacement, which is a whole other thing. So this is why I'm so proud of HelloFoxy because Um, it's, uh, all made in the USA. You know, we're a 503 a, uh, company. We're all based in the United States and Tennessee and Dallas. Um, all our pharmacies are here. There's nothing synthetic coming from overseas. Um, and we have women, women pharmacists, um, and women doctors who are going to help you get your blood work and help you figure out exactly where your hormone levels are and and, you know, kind of cater to your particular needs. And we're not going to go, we're not going to leave you. We're not going to be like, okay, here's your drugs. And then, you know, you know, cause a lot of women stop, a lot of women get on estrogen and then they don't, you know, they don't know what to do. And then, you know, so we're not going to leave you. We're going to guide you through it all.
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Speaker 2: That is, I mean, that's amazing. Like I'm, I'm so excited to look into that. And I'm curious too, because so you've been dating your new guy for how long?
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Speaker 3: Oh, okay, well, I met Greg, oh my God.
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Speaker 2: You met him on a movie, right? Like years and years.
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Speaker 1: And years ago.
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Speaker 4: I met him, we were first models in Miami. I was 18, I just graduated high school. I was a model in Miami. He was 20 and we just met in Miami. And then we were dating, we were so young. And then he went to L.A. and I went to New York. That's when I became Miss New York, USA and won Miss USA. And that's why I moved to L.A. Then I ran into him again. We actually did Poison Ivy 3 with Jamie Presley. We did like a whole movie and we kind of dated a little bit again. And then, you know, life just kind of took us on our separate ways. So I've known Greg for well over 30 years. Oh, my God, that's crazy to say. But we've been together. We reconnected about three years ago.
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Speaker 2: How do you reconnect? What was the, what was the reconnection? Was it like a DM slide or?
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Speaker 4: So Jason Momoa, you might know him, you know, Aquaman. He was a very, he's a good friend of both of ours. So when we all moved to LA, we were all starting, you know, young actors, models.
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Speaker 3: We were all like doing our.
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Speaker 4: Thing many, many moons ago. And he was doing a vodka launch and invited us all, you know, to kind of go celebrate. And so I ran into him at Jason's vodka launch and, Um, I just saw him, I hugged him and I was like, it's you, you're the one it's I'm going to grow old with you. Like I just knew it, you know? And, um, shortly after he moved me to Texas and we've been together ever since.
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Speaker 2: Oh, so you're living in Texas now.
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Speaker 4: I do.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I'm, I'm in LA right now visiting my kiddos, but, um, I'm based out of Dallas now.
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Speaker 2: And then the kiddos ages are what?
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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh. Okay, so Bama is going to be turning 21 in December, which is so crazy.
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Speaker 3: She's going to have a big old.
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Speaker 4: Party in Vegas, I think. Landon will be 23 in October. And my youngest is 27, which really freaks me out because it's very close to 30. And I'm not sure I'm ready to have a 30-year-old daughter yet.
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Speaker 3: But yeah, 27.
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Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I think it's beautiful that you're on your next chapter. I'm curious, too, because I feel like it takes a specific man to handle... the hormonal imbalances that we're going through. And I genuinely like, I'm like, man, you know, It does. It just, it takes, it takes a, it takes a, a really good man, but also like, what is something that he does for you that you're just like, because I have a hard time expressing like, Hey, it's the week before I'm about to go really crazy. Cause right now I might have PMDD. So it's like right before my period, it just is. And I've never felt that.
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Speaker 4: That's the thing with Perry, right? Is like, you know, you have a period, you don't have a period, you have a period for two weeks and you don't have a period for like three months. You know, and then like, you might have hot flashes one week. And so, you know, it's just, you never know, you know, and it's, and a lot of women just rough through it. They don't even realize that there's, you know, there's things out there that can kind of ease all of that. You know, there's no reason to suffer. We have HRT, we have hormone replacement therapy, you know, but I'm, you know, the big thing for me was hot flashes. Like, I mean, I was getting them like every 30 minutes and I'm not talking just like the, the hardest thing was, um, at night just sleeping. Cause I would just wake up like drenched. to the point where I would like have to go like change, you know, you're like, you're sweating and then you're freezing and then you're sweating and you're, and when he, and then you just, you're not sleeping. You know, my sleep was so interrupted and I just was like, babe, I just, I just need a good night's sleep. You know, that was the hardest thing.
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Speaker 3: And he just saw me suffering through that.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And I, and I think that's the piece that I'm curious about because I have a hard time communicating that like, because I'm, it feels so out of body and then I, I'm almost not that I'm embarrassed by it, but it's, it's like, I'm trying to hold it together because I don't want it to seem like, you know, but, but I also know that it's, it's a lot to like, how do you communicate that to your partner? And then how has he shown up for you in that?
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Speaker 4: You know, I always tell like women and I tell men, you know, there's three phases in a woman's life where we have absolutely no control of our bodies and that's puberty, pregnancy, and menopause. And it's just, we just have no control over our hormones, you know? And it's, it's like, you know, I just, it's like, Hey, I don't, I don't want to feel like this, you know, but I think just educating your partner as well, just being like, Hey, babe, like, read this article, or here's a little fun meme, you know, or just kind of sending him stuff, you know, where it shows other women kind of make in light of it. So, you know, but it's a conversation you have to have like, Hey, I'm not in control of my body sometimes.
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Speaker 3: Like I'm going to go see a physician.
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Speaker 4: I'm going to get it under control, but I need you to be a little patient with me because the thing about menopause is like, especially with hormone replacement therapies and really with any real physical issue, any physician-guided issue you have, even if it's mental health, it's going to take a little work to figure out what works with your body, even going on a GLP. Ozempic may work for some people. Manjaro may work for another person. You need to figure out the level that works for you.
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Speaker 3: Is it five milligrams? Is it seven?
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Speaker 4: Do you want a microdose? You know, and people really need to be, I think, a little kinder to themselves as they sort of navigate what works for them and what doesn't work for them. Because it can be like a six to a year month process figuring it out.
00:10:55
Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, for sure. Can we travel back in time a bit?
00:10:58
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure.
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Speaker 3: Is that okay?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, sure. I'd love to go back in time. I know, right?
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Speaker 2: Don't I as well.
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Speaker 4: I'd love to go back in time.
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Speaker 2: I have, you know, I have a very, I have a public, ex a relationship that was really hard. And that was in, you know, in the papers and all the things. And, you know, I, I sometimes think back on that relationship and I'm like, what could I have done differently? Because, you know, obviously people reach out and be like, Hey, I need help with, you know, moving on or this, like, what would you have done differently? And I'm, you know, I have, I have my responses for that, but I'm curious, like when you look back or when you've looked back, Like, is there something where you're like, I could have done this differently?
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Speaker 4: Oh, God. I mean, I don't even, I mean, of course.
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Speaker 3: I mean, there's, I mean, my life and all the things that I've gone through.
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Speaker 4: In your relationship, yeah. Yeah, there's like probably a gazillion things, you know, that I think I would have done differently. And more so even in the self-care of myself. Yeah. You know, I was running around trying to save everybody, probably but myself. Um, not to sound selfish or whatnot, but I think if women don't take care of themselves, you're not going to be a good mother.
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Speaker 3: You're not going to be a good friend. You're not going to be a good daughter, you know?
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Speaker 4: So I think, um, that's very important, but at the same time, you know, I know everyone says this is very cliche, but if I didn't make those mistakes, I wouldn't be who I am today. And, you know, I, I wouldn't, you know, have the strength in the, in the different, um, attributes, you know, if I hadn't made those mistakes.
00:12:34
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: No, for sure. I hear that. And I think one of the things that I've, when I've like sat with it is I wish I would have, like, I always say, oh, I'm so glad that I stayed all those years and that I gave it everything. And I am like, cause I know that I tried everything I possibly could, but I, but the piece that I haven't been truthful in that is that I wish I would have, cause I had, if I really would have discerned with myself, I knew it was never going to get better.
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Speaker 5: Right.
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Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
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Speaker 2: Like, and, and, and like, I wish I would have actually left sooner. knowing that it wouldn't have changed. So I should have listened to that whisper and that discernment inside of me because you know, you know, and I wanted to ignore it. And I kept just shoving it down and like trying to pour water over it, you know?
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Speaker 3: Well, I think, you know, that's a big thing.
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Speaker 4: I think a lot of women stay too long, you know, for different reasons. Maybe it's their kids. Maybe it's, you know, a lot of women have fixers. you know, I'm going to fix it. I'm going to heal it. That was kind of like my personality. I don't want to, I didn't want to have another failed relationship. So, you know, and then I think the hardest challenge for me has been trying to forgive myself for staying in places that I should have left, you know, for not reading those red flags or saying, you know, I know it's hard, but I, you know, I should have left.
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Speaker 2: That is one of the hardest things is grieving your choices. And that is like one of the things that I have, it's taken the longest in therapy to get over grieving the things that I wish I would have done differently.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Very mad at myself, you know, and why did I, why would I do that?
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Speaker 4: Why, why did I allow that? Or like what in my, you know, and you know, my major relationships that people know me for Oscar and Travis, those ones, I don't really have the biggest regrets about it's a, it's a, a relationship that I had before Greg that I was in for almost five years.
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Speaker 3: That was a very abusive relationship.
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Speaker 4: And that's the relationship that I really, I go back on often and really like, why? What was it about me at that point in time that was so broken that thought that I was deserving of that? You know, and I had to, that was the kind of therapy I had to go kind of figure out. And I'm still working on that.
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Speaker 2: What is your best? And I just, I just posted something on my Instagram about all the things I've learned with co-parenting. Cause it can be very challenging. Um, so I just put like, you know, my tips and tricks out there, but what has been, what is your, what are your best tips for co-parenting? Because especially when people get into new relationships as it's hard, if you're not meshing well with the other person or, you know, whatever it is, what is something that like, if you had a friend that's like, Hey girl, I need your help. Like, what are the main things for you that are a either non-negotiables, but also that has worked well for you?
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Speaker 4: Well, you know, co-parenting that can be so difficult for so many people. Um, you know, the one thing my ex and I agree on, it's the only thing my ex and I agree on, cause we don't agree on anything else.
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Speaker 3: Um, was our children.
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Speaker 4: And that was putting our children first. And so, you know, the first thing I think when it comes to couples and divorce is you can't weaponize your children. You know, you can't use your children to get back at your spouse, you know, for whatever, whatever. I don't care how much you hate them. I don't care, you know, you cannot use your children as a weapon against it. Like you really need to sit down with yourself and say, my priority is giving my children the healthiest and best future possible. And that's making, and at the end of the day, whether you like it or not, your child deserves to know their father. Your child deserves to know their mother. Whether you respect them or not, it's their parent. And whether they grow up and say, you.
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Speaker 3: Know what, my father's a piece of shit. I don't like him.
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Speaker 4: That's their road to travel and learn. So you have to allow your children to know their other parent. And you have to put them first. And sometimes that's taking your ego out of it. One thing that Travis and I did that worked really great for us is that we had a nesting arrangement. So our kids actually stayed in one house and he and I went in and out. So our kids never went.
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Speaker 3: Back and forth.
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Speaker 4: And I know that's not an option for a lot of people, you know, but that's something that we did that was really kind of helpful. My kids just stayed in one place and then he went in on his custodial days and then I went into my custodial days and, you know, we were the ones going back and forth. So it didn't really interrupt the children. But I just think, you know, my biggest tip is don't reponize your children. Yeah.
00:17:17
Speaker 2: It can be so hard to, when you're so angry at the other person.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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Speaker 4: And you know, like, you know, like, look, they, there's days, you know, the court set times and dates for reasons, you know, and it's like, abide by them, you know, follow them, you know, the kids, you know, especially like, you know, there's some parents, you know, they only get their kids every other weekend. You know, they're not like, give your, let your kids go be with their, you know, with their parent, the other, the one weekend, two weekends of the month, you know, we don't need to have to go to the cops to have a child exchange, you know, think how traumatic that is for, for kids. So, I mean, co-parenting is, it's so, so difficult. It's so difficult. I think parents who can come together and really do that well, I really applaud them because it's, it's, it's not easy. And sometimes it takes people years, you know, and if it takes you two to three years to kind of find that rhythm and flow, all right, as long as you find that rhythm and flow.
00:18:12
Speaker 2: I got to ask this because, you know, obviously your kids are, you know, out of the house. They're a bit older.
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Speaker 4: I'm an empty nester. I know.
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Speaker 2: So this is like that. And, you know, this is because I'm still, you know, I pay child support to my to my ex and our kids are still young. How is it when they're older? Like and to not have to have that communication with because because I still have to text my ex. And have community. We're in communication. We're at the baseball games. We're doing this.
00:18:41
Speaker 4: It doesn't go away when they're 18, just.
00:18:42
Speaker 3: So you know.
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Speaker 2: That's my answer. That's my question. So it doesn't like it's not like you don't have to talk. It probably less.
00:18:49
Speaker 4: It definitely lessens.
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Speaker 3: It definitely lessens.
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Speaker 4: But like, let's say Alabama, for instance, you know, she deals with a lot of health anxiety. My youngest daughter, she's very vocal about it and she talks about it.
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Speaker 3: Um, but you know, she.
00:19:01
Speaker 4: Likes to go to the ER every other day. You know, she gets, she thinks she's going to have a brain tumor. She goes to the ER. She thinks she's got a sepsis. She's got to go to the ER, you know, and, and at this point we're like, go to the ER. So, you know, if that's going to make you feel better, but you know, that's something Travis and I have to text each other, you know, did she, are you going to the ER with her this time? Am I going to the ER? You know, are we going to, are we going to, you know, like what are, you know, you know, how's she doing?
00:19:26
Speaker 3: Is she, is she resting? Is she feeling better?
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Speaker 4: You know, you know, and she's going to be 21, but we still will talk to each other. You know, the kids are in New York. Do you have security with the kids in New York? Yes. The kids have, you know, so we still will text and communicate, even though they're young adults, you know, they're young adults, you know, people think, oh, they're 18, but they're still, I mean, I'm 51. They're kids to me, 20, you know, 30 is a kid to me. So it's, you know, it's like, they're still like babies. It doesn't really go away.
00:19:53
Speaker 2: I have this, um, and my, my, my now husband, he, not that he laughs at me for it, but I have this dream that, you know, whoever my ex marries, like we're going to be best friends and we're going to you know, go on vacations together and like, that could happen.
00:20:11
Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: But like realistically, like, and that's not my, my husband wouldn't be comfortable with, with that. And I, you know, obviously I want to honor like, and who knows, like now, right now that he wouldn't be the most comfy with that. But if it's something important to me, of course, he'd probably hear me out on it. But I, I don't know, like, is that like, is that something you ever thought of or wanted? Or like, how do you, when it comes to like being able to co-parent with another woman, Like, how is that dynamic? And, like, what is your biggest tip for when that happens for me?
00:20:42
Speaker 4: I'm the wrong person to ask that.
00:20:45
Speaker 2: Well, I know, like, girl, you've been in the press a little bit with, you know, maybe commenting, comments going away.
00:20:51
Speaker 3: We're laughing.
00:20:52
Speaker 4: We're laughing. I'm just not the right, no, that's, I'm just the wrong person here.
00:20:56
Speaker 2: But that's okay, though, because I'm like, I think it's, that can be, you know, probably 90% of, situation I have.
00:21:05
Speaker 4: Friends that do that you know my best friend in Rhode Island his name's Tama he has a daughter and he and his ex-wife are best friends and their priority was their daughter and they I mean every year I mean he on their on her birthday and Mother's Day I mean he I mean it's a beautiful thing to see people do do it for me it's just the the sadly the uh, opportunity, I guess, with my exes and their, and their particular new partners just wasn't, um, you know, didn't end well with me with those people. And so it just, it's never been an option and it's nothing I've ever, ever, uh, wanted to do.
00:21:42
Speaker 3: But I, I, I applaud you for that dream. I will support you.
00:21:46
Speaker 2: I think it's just because my kids are little and I, it would be, I always think like it'd be something great for them.
00:21:52
Speaker 1: Right.
00:21:52
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
00:21:53
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:21:53
Speaker 4: To see their parents like get along, even as friends. I think, you know, I think that's a, it's important. You know, I try, I try, um, but I, I don't always succeed, you know? Um, But that's the best we can do.
00:22:08
Speaker 2: Listen, I get it. You know what I mean? I totally get it.
00:22:11
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.
00:22:12
Speaker 2: I mean, that is my Michigan, Detroit can come out too at times. I totally get it. And I always think there's two sides and then the truth.
00:22:23
Speaker 3: Exactly.
00:22:23
Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
00:22:24
Speaker 2: So that is what I always, you know, kind of hang my hat on. But the doc that just came out, I know it was been like a seven year process. Did you have any, how were... How do you feel about how it turned out? Because I know I was watching the other doc that Chloe was in that she agreed to. And then she's like, I don't like how it turned out. So I'm curious, I didn't get to finish it. So I don't.
00:22:48
Speaker 3: I didn't watch it. I don't want to watch it.
00:22:50
Speaker 2: Do you regret kind of signing up for it then?
00:22:52
Speaker 4: I regret a lot. Yeah, I wish I didn't do it. You know, he asked me to be a part of his book, you know, many, many, I don't even know, 15, almost maybe 20 years ago. And I regretted being a part of that book. And I didn't like how I was edited or portrayed in that book. And it was really, really hurtful, honestly. And I always told myself I wouldn't do it. I don't know how he got me to go and do this documentary. I think it was before he was with his wife. I'm pretty sure. And I just wish I hadn't done it. Because I knew in my heart I wasn't going to be portrayed the way that I felt I deserved. And I, and just the bits and pieces that people have shared with me or told me about, I just was like, yeah, that's kind of what I thought was going to happen.
00:23:43
Speaker 3: So I'm a little disappointed with myself for participating.
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Speaker 2: Well, no, I mean, it's, I think the fact that you showed up to participate shows your heart in that. And then the results can be disappointing that you put in that. And then that's how it, gets twisted and that's yeah that's not fair you know yeah I would I could totally understand the disappointment and not for sure absolutely you have your chance you just announced your upcoming memoir is coming out yeah what are you most excited to say and for people to know Gosh, you know, I.
00:24:16
Speaker 4: Just think that there's been a narrative about me for just so long from meet the barkers where, you know, people take a sleep all the time, you know, I mean, just craziness.
00:24:24
Speaker 2: Well, listen, how old were you? It was probably hormones and like coming out of motherhood.
00:24:28
Speaker 4: I had, I had, I had three kids under five. I had a five, like.
00:24:33
Speaker 2: Two people were tired.
00:24:35
Speaker 4: I was pregnant, like leave me alone, you know? And then we were filming all day and everything, but they act like I was like, But it was also supposed to be like sort of like a storyline that was supposed to be funny. But people just, you know, turned it that I'm just like a terrible, neglected mother. But I was just like, oh, wow, I didn't see that coming. But it is what it is. But my book, I think I'm just most excited about to show all the different sides of me that people don't know about living in Miami, modeling, the celebrities, New York, moving to LA, early Hollywood, all the celebrities from Jack Nicholson to Sean Penn to Gerard Butler. I mean, I talk about them all. And just what that early Hollywood in the 90s was like. And- you know, the Playboy Mansion, Miss USA, you know, Oscar de la Hoya.
00:25:27
Speaker 3: I have a whole, you know, world with him.
00:25:31
Speaker 4: You know, it's not just about, um, Travis. Travis, you know, has a couple chapters, but it's not just about chapters. I want this book to be one that inspires women, um, to, uh, to learn about trauma, trauma bonding, how to get over living through embarrassing things in the public eye, but more than anything, kind of finding that journey back to yourself. And it's more about inspiring women, because my fan base is divorced women. It's single moms. How did you get through it? How did you get through seeing him move on with another woman so publicly, so you know, that's the women that write me, you know, so this book is for them.
00:26:18
Speaker 2: It's hard, you know, like it's not, it's not easy going through any of that and then finding your way back to yourself. I have a question. Did you, did you tell any of the people like, Hey, heads up, I'm writing this story about you or like the ones that you just mentioned?
00:26:35
Speaker 4: No, and I have to definitely make sure legal goes through my book because I talk about a lot of people.
00:26:41
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't talk.
00:26:42
Speaker 4: About, it's not about trying to disparage anybody. I'm not trying to make anyone look bad at all. I'm really just trying to share.
00:26:52
Speaker 5: Where I was, who I was, why I acted the way I acted, what my thought process was, and to share some truths that have been withheld.
00:27:05
Speaker 3: For a long time. And it's, and they're true. They're, they're, they're, they're real.
00:27:09
Speaker 4: You know, like you said, there's, you know, there's two sides to every story.
00:27:12
Speaker 3: Well, there's a lot of.
00:27:13
Speaker 4: My side that has never been shared. And I'm eager to share that, but it's been hard. People don't want to touch my book, you know? And I just, I just think there's people that don't want my book to be read. So, you know, there's powerful people, more powerful than me, but my book will be, will be, if I have to self publish it or not, I'll have my book out.
00:27:34
Speaker 2: Well, you should, again, it's your story. And I think that's the thing. Like when I wrote my book, I changed someone's name, but I also, I told my ex, I'm like this, it started, and I'm curious how your writing process too, because my book started with me sharing a lot of things that now I'm glad I didn't share for my kid's sake. But it was a lot of like about him. And then the book turned into about me, where I was like, and at the end of it too, I was like, listen, I took out these stories and this and that and the other. And I said, this is it. you're in it, but it's not about you like at all. So like, here's, here's the manuscript and I would like for you to read it if you'd like to read it. But I did protect like what we have and you know, all the things, because at the end of the day, it was never, it's not about you. It's about how I move through everything that happened that you also did that I contribute, like all the things, you know? So it's like, you know, my kids.
00:28:27
Speaker 4: And you know, one of the things that I do talk about is parental alienation, which is a big thing. And that's a, a big thing with my fan base as well. Because, you know, when my kids were little and I was going through some difficulties with their dads, I hit it, you know, when you're a mom and you, you know, you, you hide things from your children. You protect your children from certain things that you don't want them to see or know. And you kind of suffer in silence, you know, and, and, I definitely am taking my children's feelings into consideration, but at the same time, you are young adults now. And I think you kind of need to understand why your mom's the crazy mom that she is, you know, why she why I did some of the things I did, because I don't think you understood what was being done or what I was going through during a lot of those years that you were young. And and that was me protecting them. But, you know, they're young adults. There's nothing there that I don't think I can't share with them. But I think a lot of women and parents will relate.
00:29:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, especially because a lot of those times, and I can think back on conversations and just like how I was, it makes me sad. but it's also knowing that like we are even when something was so wrongly done to us we're still protecting our kids to make sure they don't know certain things absolutely yeah you know like I yeah a very vivid vivid memory of something where I had to course correct it so that she wouldn't remember how she saw it in a way Right.
00:29:58
Speaker 3: Exactly. Yeah.
00:29:59
Speaker 2: Because I needed to protect her. And it's like, but it's so sad too, you know, because it's.
00:30:03
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
00:30:04
Speaker 4: I think there's like this quote and I don't, I don't remember, but it was like the the biggest acting job I ever did was when I had to smile with my kids as a mother, when inside I was like crying, you know, it's like terrible version.
00:30:15
Speaker 2: When you walk out of the bathroom from just sobbing and then being like, Hey kiddos.
00:30:24
Speaker 4: Yes. You know, just saw daddy making out with Paris Hilton on DMZ, but I'm so good.
00:30:30
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:30:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, just discovered the 15th affair. Here we go.
00:30:35
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:30:35
Speaker 1: Oh, yes.
00:30:36
Speaker 4: You know, everything's great. Yes. You know, it's like, gosh, it's interesting. And then to have it, you know, play out in public, you know, and having your kids like my kids were in the public eye. So that was a whole other like sort of crazy kind of thing.
00:31:00
Speaker 2: Do you regret doing the reality show now looking back?
00:31:03
Speaker 1: Oh no, no.
00:31:03
Speaker 4: I love it.
00:31:04
Speaker 3: It's so crazy though. I look back on it now.
00:31:07
Speaker 4: Sometimes people will send me YouTube clips. I don't even know those people. It's like watching like two strangers.
00:31:13
Speaker 3: No, I don't even know. Like, I'm like, wow, that girl looks fun. Like, who's that?
00:31:18
Speaker 4: Like, I don't even know who that, who like those people are, you know? So it's so, it's like a time capsule. It's kind of like a cool time capsule, but I just, I don't even, it's like a different, I feel like I've been through 10 lifetimes since then, so.
00:31:30
Speaker 2: I get that. Would you get married again?
00:31:32
Speaker 4: Oh my God, yes.
00:31:33
Speaker 3: I want to marry Greg so bad.
00:31:34
Speaker 4: Oh, that's so cute.
00:31:36
Speaker 2: I love this.
00:31:37
Speaker 3: I love him.
00:31:37
Speaker 2: You know that too, obviously, yes.
00:31:40
Speaker 4: He's, he knows. He's my Southern, he's my good old boy, my Southern gentleman. He's everything.
00:31:47
Speaker 2: I love that. So that's the thing where it's, it's, I'm like the biggest believer in love. And, you know, I've had a couple marriages, but like, I do believe that it's, you know, you do the work on yourself. And I just, I'm always the biggest advocate for love.
00:32:03
Speaker 4: And finding love. I just never wanted to let anybody make me afraid to fall in love again, you know? And Greg has definitely had to eat some other men's sins for breakfast. But the most beautiful thing about him is, you know, the way he communicates and the way he reassures people Me. And he's like, you know, look, I understand why that's triggering, but I'm not that person.
00:32:24
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:32:24
Speaker 2: My therapist always says don't don't give him the punishment of a crime that he didn't commit.
00:32:29
Speaker 3: Exactly.
00:32:30
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:32:31
Speaker 2: Not something that I think about often because I'm like, you're right. Like I'm I'm giving the energy and the attitude towards my husband when he didn't commit that crime.
00:32:39
Speaker 3: Exactly. Yeah.
00:32:40
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:32:41
Speaker 4: It sneaks in there once in a while, you know.
00:32:44
Speaker 2: Again, and I believe a lot of that is hormonal too. I really do. I'm not trying to place blame on certain things, but I think it's a combination of all of it.
00:32:52
Speaker 4: I agree. I'm with you.
00:32:53
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:32:54
Speaker 2: What would be your biggest advice for someone moving into their next chapter? Like, what is the thing that you're like?
00:32:59
Speaker 4: I think, you know, just like, you know, When I was younger, I just rushed. I rushed. I was like, I want to, I got to get this job.
00:33:10
Speaker 3: I got to get this relationship.
00:33:11
Speaker 4: I got to get this marriage. I got to, you know, I rush, rush, rush.
00:33:13
Speaker 3: Rush, rush.
00:33:14
Speaker 4: And I think the biggest thing is starting to just, I guess, allow myself the grace to to heal and to take that time to do the work on myself and to know that it's not going to happen overnight. And there are going to be setbacks and I'm not, I'm not, you know, like I am going to mess up, but I'm going to, you know, give myself grace and, you know, just, you know, it's like, It's like drinking, you know, if you, you know, it's like you want to, I was trying to do this like a two week cleanse, you know, and I'm, and I didn't do it. And so it's like, all right, well then we're going to start over. It's okay to start over again. You know, I think that's a big thing. People, you know, they beat themselves up too much.
00:33:54
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I also think too, it's, you know, and, and being on, you know, older and we're, we've all had marriages before, um, you're going to have things you're going to have to work on with your new partner too. Everyone's just like, Oh, you've got like, I'm like, yes, like he's amazing. And we still have things we have to work on as our coupleship and also independently too. And, you know, knowing very well that like we're doing that for us. And then for, for again, our coupleship, I think it's, I think one of.
00:34:19
Speaker 4: The hardest things for me too, with Greg was that it was a healthy love.
00:34:24
Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:34:24
Speaker 4: I didn't know how to process like, healthy love like I was so used to just drama and trauma and you know well.
00:34:34
Speaker 2: We're not fighting so what are you not do you not.
00:34:36
Speaker 4: Love me you know why are you like why are you finding fault with me or you know and I had to like there were times I had to really sit back and go you can trust this you can trust this love you can trust this man allow yourself to enjoy this you are deserving of this You know, and that was like a talk I had like the first year I had to like be like, remind myself you're deserving of that because I like having healthy love was so foreign.
00:35:05
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because your system just knows some, you know, again, that that trauma, the fight or flight, the next you're going to drop in fight or flight.
00:35:12
Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:35:12
Speaker 2: And you just always have to protect yourself. But, you know, now you've got Blink of an Eye coming out. By the way, nice title.
00:35:19
Speaker 3: Thank you.
00:35:20
Speaker 2: I'm a fan.
00:35:22
Speaker 1: Wow.
00:35:23
Speaker 4: I just got that.
00:35:24
Speaker 2: That took me a second. You're smart. You're very smart.
00:35:29
Speaker 4: Life goes by in a blink of an eye.
00:35:30
Speaker 3: I'll tell you that, though.
00:35:31
Speaker 4: You know, life can change just like that. So it's a lot. My life in that book is not just him or his bam, but it's it's. It's a lot of different things you'll see in my book that how your life can just change so quickly. It goes by fast. People don't realize life really does go by fast.
00:35:50
Speaker 1: It does.
00:35:50
Speaker 2: And then you've got the HelloFoxy. So where can everyone, what's the website? Because I was trying to find it.
00:35:56
Speaker 1: Sure.
00:35:56
Speaker 3: It's HelloFoxy. It's Foxy with an I. So just HelloFoxy.com. HelloFoxy.
00:36:02
Speaker 4: And it's Hello.Foxy at Instagram and HelloFoxyWellness on TikTok.
00:36:07
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm so excited.
00:36:09
Speaker 4: Yeah. So you can go on there and you can take a quiz and you can kind of share what your concerns are. We'll put you with a physician and we'll get you like an amazing program. And we don't leave you. You know, we we follow up with you. We we have, you know, at home blood kits, you know, so you don't even have to go to the lab. You can do it in the privacy of your own home. It's really, really beautiful.
00:36:31
Speaker 3: And we have everything.
00:36:32
Speaker 4: So we're going to have peptides. We have peptides, GLPs. We have hormone replacement therapy. We have sexual wellness. So it's not just for men. We have everything from creams, trokies. We have, you know, nasal sprays, you know, and enhance her pleasure because it's about time our pleasure was enhanced.
00:36:53
Speaker 2: Have you tried the oxytocin for nasal spray?
00:36:56
Speaker 1: I have.
00:36:56
Speaker 3: Yes, I have. It's fun.
00:36:58
Speaker 2: Okay. I just got it. What do you mean fun? What does it do? Because I haven't tried it yet and I'm so afraid of trying anything.
00:37:03
Speaker 4: It like heightens the sensations, you know. It's just like really good. It's going to give you that O, that extra O that you're looking for.
00:37:12
Speaker 1: Oh, OK. Yeah.
00:37:13
Speaker 2: Here we go.
00:37:14
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:37:15
Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:37:15
Speaker 2: I was. Yeah. My doctor prescribed it for like anxiety.
00:37:19
Speaker 4: Yeah. You can have it for anxiety, but also like for women's like, you know, obviously women in menopause, like there's lots of changes, you know, with.
00:37:26
Speaker 3: Like vaginal dryness.
00:37:28
Speaker 4: It can be uncomfortable.
00:37:29
Speaker 3: It can be painful. You know, there's just all different kinds of things going on down there.
00:37:34
Speaker 4: And we want to keep women happy and healthy because we should be enjoying sex more. well into our 80s is just like men. So you know, Robert De Niro has a three year old. We should be enjoying, you know, sexual wellness as well. So and I also sell ED products for men on there as well, you know, because we want our partners to be, you know, because so many men to, you know, when their testosterone drops, you know, they start having problems. And then that can affect our relationships, because they're embarrassed to talk to you because they can't.
00:38:04
Speaker 3: Get it up or, you know, whatever.
00:38:05
Speaker 4: And we want them to be feeling confident and sexy as well. So there's a whole little, whole little line on there for men and women. Yes.
00:38:13
Speaker 2: There, I mean, there's some amazing, amazing products in here. I'm looking at all of them. This is awesome. Well, thank you so much for coming on. I appreciate you sharing all the things.
00:38:21
Speaker 1: Oh my God.
00:38:21
Speaker 4: You are so sweet and so refreshing just to have a really nice conversation and not have to get all in the, the, the gossip of life. So I appreciate you.
00:38:29
Speaker 1: No.
00:38:30
Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:38:30
Speaker 2: I was like the last thing. It's just, it's just fun. to relate to someone that we've, you know, we might not have been through the exact same things, but we're on, on the journey of it all. So thanks for being open. I appreciate it.
00:38:43
Speaker 3: Well, thank you so much.
00:38:43
Speaker 4: I had so much fun.
00:38:44
Speaker 1: Okay.
00:38:45
Speaker 3: Bye girl.
00:38:46
Speaker 2: Are you trying to navigate your life in chapter two, but need some advice? Well, we're here to help you send us an email or leave us a voicemail. All the info is in the show notes. Follow us on socials. I do part two and I heart radio podcast. We're falling in love is the main objective.
Speaker 1: Hey, I do part two. It's your host, Jana Kramer. And today I get to connect with a woman who is feeling her best in chapter two.
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Speaker 2: And helping other women to do the same in this next phase of life. She is in her chapter two, just like all of us. She had a high-profile marriage to Blink-182 drummer Travis Barker, and now she's found love again. She's an actress, a mother, and the founder of Hello, Foxy. Please welcome Shana Mochler to the pod. You know, I am so excited to chat with you for many reasons, but one being I am so in the start of perimenopause. Like I can't even, I honestly, I have another podcast called wind down and I was talking with my girlfriends. I'm like, I don't know what's happening. Like I'm everyone's saying my blood works fine or this is, you know, but I wasn't doing it, uh, the right time. Yeah. It's been, I was like, I feel, I felt, I have felt so out of body and like something is, is wrong. And I've been, you know, chat GP team, like what is wrong with me? Am I crazy? Like what's happening? And then everyone's, you know, it's just my age. I'm 42. And a lot of women are like, that's when it happened for me. And I'm like, what happened for you? Like, what do you mean? And now, you know, as I was going through my notes and you've started Hello Foxy, I'm so excited because it's like you're helping everything from menopause symptoms to skin wellness. Is there anything for perimenopause though?
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Speaker 1: Girl.
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Speaker 3: You don't even understand. I am so proud.
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Speaker 4: So just a little background, just so you know, I like really always looked up to Suzanne Somers. I mean, who hasn't?
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Speaker 2: I mean, it was like our mom, like my mom was watching her like from like the workouts to everything.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: You know, but she was really like the first woman who really like sort of like pioneered like menopause and anti-aging for women, you know, and really wrote those books and really opened the dialogue for Because my mom was just like raw dogging it, you know, like she like was just roughing it, you know, and I look back now and I mean, and she was having all those hot flashes.
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Speaker 3: And I was like, get over it woman.
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Speaker 4: And now I'm like, oh my God, I was so mean to my mom.
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Speaker 3: Well, she, she has it.
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Speaker 4: But to answer your question, not only do I have Perry, but I have Perry, I have pre Perry and post. So I'm actually going to be offering. three separate systems for women. So someone like yourself, you're actually really young, but women can go into menopause as early as like 28 years old.
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Speaker 2: My mom was 33, which is why I had freaked out because I wanted to have kids. I'm like, oh my God, my mom's going to, I'm going to have the same thing happen now that it didn't. But I mean, yeah, it's, crazy.
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Speaker 4: Yeah. And what are the first signs, you know, women don't even understand a lot of the times women, when they already, when they're, when they're going into like perimenopause, you know, they have maybe like hot flashes at night, you know, or, um, you know, they're gaining a little weight or their hair is getting a little thinner and they just think it's stress or they think it's anxiety or, you know, they just have no idea that it's actually their hormones that are changing. And, you know, um, one of the, uh, pharmacists who work within my company and hello Foxy, her name's Jessica Patron and She's an absolute genius pharmacist and she created an entire collection called Roots that I'm going to be implementing, which is the three systems of, um, pre Perry and post menopause. And she was telling me, she goes, you know, when I was talking to her about hot flashes, she's like, well, when do you get them? And I was like, well, at first I was just getting them at night. You know, I was like dying in the middle of the night, waking up like drenched. And she's like, well, that's your progesterone. That means your progesterone is low and that's where it starts. And so women need to take that progesterone at night. But when you start having hot flashes in the day, she was like, now that's a whole other, that's a whole other, you know, a demon there, you know, now that's estrogen and, you know, now your estrogen is gone. So now you have to take an estrogen patch and estrogen is really the one that kind of like sets it, sets us all off.
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Speaker 3: Once that estrogen drops, that's when.
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Speaker 4: You get the weight gain, you get the hair loss, you get the anxiety, you get the frozen shoulder.
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Speaker 3: I mean, there's an array. I mean, women are afraid to drive.
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Speaker 4: The craziest things start happening to us when we start.
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Speaker 3: Losing our estrogen.
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Speaker 4: And not every woman can go on estrogen replacement, which is a whole other thing. So this is why I'm so proud of HelloFoxy because Um, it's, uh, all made in the USA. You know, we're a 503 a, uh, company. We're all based in the United States and Tennessee and Dallas. Um, all our pharmacies are here. There's nothing synthetic coming from overseas. Um, and we have women, women pharmacists, um, and women doctors who are going to help you get your blood work and help you figure out exactly where your hormone levels are and and, you know, kind of cater to your particular needs. And we're not going to go, we're not going to leave you. We're not going to be like, okay, here's your drugs. And then, you know, you know, cause a lot of women stop, a lot of women get on estrogen and then they don't, you know, they don't know what to do. And then, you know, so we're not going to leave you. We're going to guide you through it all.
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Speaker 2: That is, I mean, that's amazing. Like I'm, I'm so excited to look into that. And I'm curious too, because so you've been dating your new guy for how long?
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Speaker 3: Oh, okay, well, I met Greg, oh my God.
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Speaker 2: You met him on a movie, right? Like years and years.
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Speaker 1: And years ago.
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Speaker 4: I met him, we were first models in Miami. I was 18, I just graduated high school. I was a model in Miami. He was 20 and we just met in Miami. And then we were dating, we were so young. And then he went to L.A. and I went to New York. That's when I became Miss New York, USA and won Miss USA. And that's why I moved to L.A. Then I ran into him again. We actually did Poison Ivy 3 with Jamie Presley. We did like a whole movie and we kind of dated a little bit again. And then, you know, life just kind of took us on our separate ways. So I've known Greg for well over 30 years. Oh, my God, that's crazy to say. But we've been together. We reconnected about three years ago.
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Speaker 2: How do you reconnect? What was the, what was the reconnection? Was it like a DM slide or?
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Speaker 4: So Jason Momoa, you might know him, you know, Aquaman. He was a very, he's a good friend of both of ours. So when we all moved to LA, we were all starting, you know, young actors, models.
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Speaker 3: We were all like doing our.
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Speaker 4: Thing many, many moons ago. And he was doing a vodka launch and invited us all, you know, to kind of go celebrate. And so I ran into him at Jason's vodka launch and, Um, I just saw him, I hugged him and I was like, it's you, you're the one it's I'm going to grow old with you. Like I just knew it, you know? And, um, shortly after he moved me to Texas and we've been together ever since.
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Speaker 2: Oh, so you're living in Texas now.
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Speaker 4: I do.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I'm, I'm in LA right now visiting my kiddos, but, um, I'm based out of Dallas now.
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Speaker 2: And then the kiddos ages are what?
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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh. Okay, so Bama is going to be turning 21 in December, which is so crazy.
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Speaker 3: She's going to have a big old.
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Speaker 4: Party in Vegas, I think. Landon will be 23 in October. And my youngest is 27, which really freaks me out because it's very close to 30. And I'm not sure I'm ready to have a 30-year-old daughter yet.
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Speaker 3: But yeah, 27.
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Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I think it's beautiful that you're on your next chapter. I'm curious, too, because I feel like it takes a specific man to handle... the hormonal imbalances that we're going through. And I genuinely like, I'm like, man, you know, It does. It just, it takes, it takes a, it takes a, a really good man, but also like, what is something that he does for you that you're just like, because I have a hard time expressing like, Hey, it's the week before I'm about to go really crazy. Cause right now I might have PMDD. So it's like right before my period, it just is. And I've never felt that.
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Speaker 4: That's the thing with Perry, right? Is like, you know, you have a period, you don't have a period, you have a period for two weeks and you don't have a period for like three months. You know, and then like, you might have hot flashes one week. And so, you know, it's just, you never know, you know, and it's, and a lot of women just rough through it. They don't even realize that there's, you know, there's things out there that can kind of ease all of that. You know, there's no reason to suffer. We have HRT, we have hormone replacement therapy, you know, but I'm, you know, the big thing for me was hot flashes. Like, I mean, I was getting them like every 30 minutes and I'm not talking just like the, the hardest thing was, um, at night just sleeping. Cause I would just wake up like drenched. to the point where I would like have to go like change, you know, you're like, you're sweating and then you're freezing and then you're sweating and you're, and when he, and then you just, you're not sleeping. You know, my sleep was so interrupted and I just was like, babe, I just, I just need a good night's sleep. You know, that was the hardest thing.
00:09:07
Speaker 3: And he just saw me suffering through that.
00:09:10
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:09:10
Speaker 2: And I, and I think that's the piece that I'm curious about because I have a hard time communicating that like, because I'm, it feels so out of body and then I, I'm almost not that I'm embarrassed by it, but it's, it's like, I'm trying to hold it together because I don't want it to seem like, you know, but, but I also know that it's, it's a lot to like, how do you communicate that to your partner? And then how has he shown up for you in that?
00:09:31
Speaker 4: You know, I always tell like women and I tell men, you know, there's three phases in a woman's life where we have absolutely no control of our bodies and that's puberty, pregnancy, and menopause. And it's just, we just have no control over our hormones, you know? And it's, it's like, you know, I just, it's like, Hey, I don't, I don't want to feel like this, you know, but I think just educating your partner as well, just being like, Hey, babe, like, read this article, or here's a little fun meme, you know, or just kind of sending him stuff, you know, where it shows other women kind of make in light of it. So, you know, but it's a conversation you have to have like, Hey, I'm not in control of my body sometimes.
00:10:09
Speaker 3: Like I'm going to go see a physician.
00:10:10
Speaker 4: I'm going to get it under control, but I need you to be a little patient with me because the thing about menopause is like, especially with hormone replacement therapies and really with any real physical issue, any physician-guided issue you have, even if it's mental health, it's going to take a little work to figure out what works with your body, even going on a GLP. Ozempic may work for some people. Manjaro may work for another person. You need to figure out the level that works for you.
00:10:39
Speaker 3: Is it five milligrams? Is it seven?
00:10:41
Speaker 4: Do you want a microdose? You know, and people really need to be, I think, a little kinder to themselves as they sort of navigate what works for them and what doesn't work for them. Because it can be like a six to a year month process figuring it out.
00:10:55
Speaker 1: Right.
00:10:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, for sure. Can we travel back in time a bit?
00:10:58
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure.
00:10:59
Speaker 3: Is that okay?
00:10:59
Speaker 4: Yeah, sure. I'd love to go back in time. I know, right?
00:11:04
Speaker 2: Don't I as well.
00:11:05
Speaker 4: I'd love to go back in time.
00:11:07
Speaker 2: I have, you know, I have a very, I have a public, ex a relationship that was really hard. And that was in, you know, in the papers and all the things. And, you know, I, I sometimes think back on that relationship and I'm like, what could I have done differently? Because, you know, obviously people reach out and be like, Hey, I need help with, you know, moving on or this, like, what would you have done differently? And I'm, you know, I have, I have my responses for that, but I'm curious, like when you look back or when you've looked back, Like, is there something where you're like, I could have done this differently?
00:11:43
Speaker 4: Oh, God. I mean, I don't even, I mean, of course.
00:11:46
Speaker 3: I mean, there's, I mean, my life and all the things that I've gone through.
00:11:50
Speaker 4: In your relationship, yeah. Yeah, there's like probably a gazillion things, you know, that I think I would have done differently. And more so even in the self-care of myself. Yeah. You know, I was running around trying to save everybody, probably but myself. Um, not to sound selfish or whatnot, but I think if women don't take care of themselves, you're not going to be a good mother.
00:12:13
Speaker 3: You're not going to be a good friend. You're not going to be a good daughter, you know?
00:12:16
Speaker 4: So I think, um, that's very important, but at the same time, you know, I know everyone says this is very cliche, but if I didn't make those mistakes, I wouldn't be who I am today. And, you know, I, I wouldn't, you know, have the strength in the, in the different, um, attributes, you know, if I hadn't made those mistakes.
00:12:34
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
00:12:34
Speaker 2: No, for sure. I hear that. And I think one of the things that I've, when I've like sat with it is I wish I would have, like, I always say, oh, I'm so glad that I stayed all those years and that I gave it everything. And I am like, cause I know that I tried everything I possibly could, but I, but the piece that I haven't been truthful in that is that I wish I would have, cause I had, if I really would have discerned with myself, I knew it was never going to get better.
00:12:59
Speaker 5: Right.
00:12:59
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
00:13:00
Speaker 2: Like, and, and, and like, I wish I would have actually left sooner. knowing that it wouldn't have changed. So I should have listened to that whisper and that discernment inside of me because you know, you know, and I wanted to ignore it. And I kept just shoving it down and like trying to pour water over it, you know?
00:13:17
Speaker 3: Well, I think, you know, that's a big thing.
00:13:19
Speaker 4: I think a lot of women stay too long, you know, for different reasons. Maybe it's their kids. Maybe it's, you know, a lot of women have fixers. you know, I'm going to fix it. I'm going to heal it. That was kind of like my personality. I don't want to, I didn't want to have another failed relationship. So, you know, and then I think the hardest challenge for me has been trying to forgive myself for staying in places that I should have left, you know, for not reading those red flags or saying, you know, I know it's hard, but I, you know, I should have left.
00:13:49
Speaker 2: That is one of the hardest things is grieving your choices. And that is like one of the things that I have, it's taken the longest in therapy to get over grieving the things that I wish I would have done differently.
00:14:02
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:14:02
Speaker 2: Very mad at myself, you know, and why did I, why would I do that?
00:14:06
Speaker 4: Why, why did I allow that? Or like what in my, you know, and you know, my major relationships that people know me for Oscar and Travis, those ones, I don't really have the biggest regrets about it's a, it's a, a relationship that I had before Greg that I was in for almost five years.
00:14:26
Speaker 3: That was a very abusive relationship.
00:14:29
Speaker 4: And that's the relationship that I really, I go back on often and really like, why? What was it about me at that point in time that was so broken that thought that I was deserving of that? You know, and I had to, that was the kind of therapy I had to go kind of figure out. And I'm still working on that.
00:14:57
Speaker 2: What is your best? And I just, I just posted something on my Instagram about all the things I've learned with co-parenting. Cause it can be very challenging. Um, so I just put like, you know, my tips and tricks out there, but what has been, what is your, what are your best tips for co-parenting? Because especially when people get into new relationships as it's hard, if you're not meshing well with the other person or, you know, whatever it is, what is something that like, if you had a friend that's like, Hey girl, I need your help. Like, what are the main things for you that are a either non-negotiables, but also that has worked well for you?
00:15:31
Speaker 4: Well, you know, co-parenting that can be so difficult for so many people. Um, you know, the one thing my ex and I agree on, it's the only thing my ex and I agree on, cause we don't agree on anything else.
00:15:42
Speaker 3: Um, was our children.
00:15:44
Speaker 4: And that was putting our children first. And so, you know, the first thing I think when it comes to couples and divorce is you can't weaponize your children. You know, you can't use your children to get back at your spouse, you know, for whatever, whatever. I don't care how much you hate them. I don't care, you know, you cannot use your children as a weapon against it. Like you really need to sit down with yourself and say, my priority is giving my children the healthiest and best future possible. And that's making, and at the end of the day, whether you like it or not, your child deserves to know their father. Your child deserves to know their mother. Whether you respect them or not, it's their parent. And whether they grow up and say, you.
00:16:27
Speaker 3: Know what, my father's a piece of shit. I don't like him.
00:16:30
Speaker 4: That's their road to travel and learn. So you have to allow your children to know their other parent. And you have to put them first. And sometimes that's taking your ego out of it. One thing that Travis and I did that worked really great for us is that we had a nesting arrangement. So our kids actually stayed in one house and he and I went in and out. So our kids never went.
00:16:55
Speaker 3: Back and forth.
00:16:55
Speaker 4: And I know that's not an option for a lot of people, you know, but that's something that we did that was really kind of helpful. My kids just stayed in one place and then he went in on his custodial days and then I went into my custodial days and, you know, we were the ones going back and forth. So it didn't really interrupt the children. But I just think, you know, my biggest tip is don't reponize your children. Yeah.
00:17:17
Speaker 2: It can be so hard to, when you're so angry at the other person.
00:17:20
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:17:22
Speaker 4: And you know, like, you know, like, look, they, there's days, you know, the court set times and dates for reasons, you know, and it's like, abide by them, you know, follow them, you know, the kids, you know, especially like, you know, there's some parents, you know, they only get their kids every other weekend. You know, they're not like, give your, let your kids go be with their, you know, with their parent, the other, the one weekend, two weekends of the month, you know, we don't need to have to go to the cops to have a child exchange, you know, think how traumatic that is for, for kids. So, I mean, co-parenting is, it's so, so difficult. It's so difficult. I think parents who can come together and really do that well, I really applaud them because it's, it's, it's not easy. And sometimes it takes people years, you know, and if it takes you two to three years to kind of find that rhythm and flow, all right, as long as you find that rhythm and flow.
00:18:12
Speaker 2: I got to ask this because, you know, obviously your kids are, you know, out of the house. They're a bit older.
00:18:18
Speaker 4: I'm an empty nester. I know.
00:18:20
Speaker 2: So this is like that. And, you know, this is because I'm still, you know, I pay child support to my to my ex and our kids are still young. How is it when they're older? Like and to not have to have that communication with because because I still have to text my ex. And have community. We're in communication. We're at the baseball games. We're doing this.
00:18:41
Speaker 4: It doesn't go away when they're 18, just.
00:18:42
Speaker 3: So you know.
00:18:43
Speaker 2: That's my answer. That's my question. So it doesn't like it's not like you don't have to talk. It probably less.
00:18:49
Speaker 4: It definitely lessens.
00:18:50
Speaker 3: It definitely lessens.
00:18:51
Speaker 4: But like, let's say Alabama, for instance, you know, she deals with a lot of health anxiety. My youngest daughter, she's very vocal about it and she talks about it.
00:19:00
Speaker 3: Um, but you know, she.
00:19:01
Speaker 4: Likes to go to the ER every other day. You know, she gets, she thinks she's going to have a brain tumor. She goes to the ER. She thinks she's got a sepsis. She's got to go to the ER, you know, and, and at this point we're like, go to the ER. So, you know, if that's going to make you feel better, but you know, that's something Travis and I have to text each other, you know, did she, are you going to the ER with her this time? Am I going to the ER? You know, are we going to, are we going to, you know, like what are, you know, you know, how's she doing?
00:19:26
Speaker 3: Is she, is she resting? Is she feeling better?
00:19:28
Speaker 4: You know, you know, and she's going to be 21, but we still will talk to each other. You know, the kids are in New York. Do you have security with the kids in New York? Yes. The kids have, you know, so we still will text and communicate, even though they're young adults, you know, they're young adults, you know, people think, oh, they're 18, but they're still, I mean, I'm 51. They're kids to me, 20, you know, 30 is a kid to me. So it's, you know, it's like, they're still like babies. It doesn't really go away.
00:19:53
Speaker 2: I have this, um, and my, my, my now husband, he, not that he laughs at me for it, but I have this dream that, you know, whoever my ex marries, like we're going to be best friends and we're going to you know, go on vacations together and like, that could happen.
00:20:11
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:20:12
Speaker 2: But like realistically, like, and that's not my, my husband wouldn't be comfortable with, with that. And I, you know, obviously I want to honor like, and who knows, like now, right now that he wouldn't be the most comfy with that. But if it's something important to me, of course, he'd probably hear me out on it. But I, I don't know, like, is that like, is that something you ever thought of or wanted? Or like, how do you, when it comes to like being able to co-parent with another woman, Like, how is that dynamic? And, like, what is your biggest tip for when that happens for me?
00:20:42
Speaker 4: I'm the wrong person to ask that.
00:20:45
Speaker 2: Well, I know, like, girl, you've been in the press a little bit with, you know, maybe commenting, comments going away.
00:20:51
Speaker 3: We're laughing.
00:20:52
Speaker 4: We're laughing. I'm just not the right, no, that's, I'm just the wrong person here.
00:20:56
Speaker 2: But that's okay, though, because I'm like, I think it's, that can be, you know, probably 90% of, situation I have.
00:21:05
Speaker 4: Friends that do that you know my best friend in Rhode Island his name's Tama he has a daughter and he and his ex-wife are best friends and their priority was their daughter and they I mean every year I mean he on their on her birthday and Mother's Day I mean he I mean it's a beautiful thing to see people do do it for me it's just the the sadly the uh, opportunity, I guess, with my exes and their, and their particular new partners just wasn't, um, you know, didn't end well with me with those people. And so it just, it's never been an option and it's nothing I've ever, ever, uh, wanted to do.
00:21:42
Speaker 3: But I, I, I applaud you for that dream. I will support you.
00:21:46
Speaker 2: I think it's just because my kids are little and I, it would be, I always think like it'd be something great for them.
00:21:52
Speaker 1: Right.
00:21:52
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
00:21:53
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:21:53
Speaker 4: To see their parents like get along, even as friends. I think, you know, I think that's a, it's important. You know, I try, I try, um, but I, I don't always succeed, you know? Um, But that's the best we can do.
00:22:08
Speaker 2: Listen, I get it. You know what I mean? I totally get it.
00:22:11
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.
00:22:12
Speaker 2: I mean, that is my Michigan, Detroit can come out too at times. I totally get it. And I always think there's two sides and then the truth.
00:22:23
Speaker 3: Exactly.
00:22:23
Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
00:22:24
Speaker 2: So that is what I always, you know, kind of hang my hat on. But the doc that just came out, I know it was been like a seven year process. Did you have any, how were... How do you feel about how it turned out? Because I know I was watching the other doc that Chloe was in that she agreed to. And then she's like, I don't like how it turned out. So I'm curious, I didn't get to finish it. So I don't.
00:22:48
Speaker 3: I didn't watch it. I don't want to watch it.
00:22:50
Speaker 2: Do you regret kind of signing up for it then?
00:22:52
Speaker 4: I regret a lot. Yeah, I wish I didn't do it. You know, he asked me to be a part of his book, you know, many, many, I don't even know, 15, almost maybe 20 years ago. And I regretted being a part of that book. And I didn't like how I was edited or portrayed in that book. And it was really, really hurtful, honestly. And I always told myself I wouldn't do it. I don't know how he got me to go and do this documentary. I think it was before he was with his wife. I'm pretty sure. And I just wish I hadn't done it. Because I knew in my heart I wasn't going to be portrayed the way that I felt I deserved. And I, and just the bits and pieces that people have shared with me or told me about, I just was like, yeah, that's kind of what I thought was going to happen.
00:23:43
Speaker 3: So I'm a little disappointed with myself for participating.
00:23:47
Speaker 2: Well, no, I mean, it's, I think the fact that you showed up to participate shows your heart in that. And then the results can be disappointing that you put in that. And then that's how it, gets twisted and that's yeah that's not fair you know yeah I would I could totally understand the disappointment and not for sure absolutely you have your chance you just announced your upcoming memoir is coming out yeah what are you most excited to say and for people to know Gosh, you know, I.
00:24:16
Speaker 4: Just think that there's been a narrative about me for just so long from meet the barkers where, you know, people take a sleep all the time, you know, I mean, just craziness.
00:24:24
Speaker 2: Well, listen, how old were you? It was probably hormones and like coming out of motherhood.
00:24:28
Speaker 4: I had, I had, I had three kids under five. I had a five, like.
00:24:33
Speaker 2: Two people were tired.
00:24:35
Speaker 4: I was pregnant, like leave me alone, you know? And then we were filming all day and everything, but they act like I was like, But it was also supposed to be like sort of like a storyline that was supposed to be funny. But people just, you know, turned it that I'm just like a terrible, neglected mother. But I was just like, oh, wow, I didn't see that coming. But it is what it is. But my book, I think I'm just most excited about to show all the different sides of me that people don't know about living in Miami, modeling, the celebrities, New York, moving to LA, early Hollywood, all the celebrities from Jack Nicholson to Sean Penn to Gerard Butler. I mean, I talk about them all. And just what that early Hollywood in the 90s was like. And- you know, the Playboy Mansion, Miss USA, you know, Oscar de la Hoya.
00:25:27
Speaker 3: I have a whole, you know, world with him.
00:25:31
Speaker 4: You know, it's not just about, um, Travis. Travis, you know, has a couple chapters, but it's not just about chapters. I want this book to be one that inspires women, um, to, uh, to learn about trauma, trauma bonding, how to get over living through embarrassing things in the public eye, but more than anything, kind of finding that journey back to yourself. And it's more about inspiring women, because my fan base is divorced women. It's single moms. How did you get through it? How did you get through seeing him move on with another woman so publicly, so you know, that's the women that write me, you know, so this book is for them.
00:26:18
Speaker 2: It's hard, you know, like it's not, it's not easy going through any of that and then finding your way back to yourself. I have a question. Did you, did you tell any of the people like, Hey, heads up, I'm writing this story about you or like the ones that you just mentioned?
00:26:35
Speaker 4: No, and I have to definitely make sure legal goes through my book because I talk about a lot of people.
00:26:41
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't talk.
00:26:42
Speaker 4: About, it's not about trying to disparage anybody. I'm not trying to make anyone look bad at all. I'm really just trying to share.
00:26:52
Speaker 5: Where I was, who I was, why I acted the way I acted, what my thought process was, and to share some truths that have been withheld.
00:27:05
Speaker 3: For a long time. And it's, and they're true. They're, they're, they're, they're real.
00:27:09
Speaker 4: You know, like you said, there's, you know, there's two sides to every story.
00:27:12
Speaker 3: Well, there's a lot of.
00:27:13
Speaker 4: My side that has never been shared. And I'm eager to share that, but it's been hard. People don't want to touch my book, you know? And I just, I just think there's people that don't want my book to be read. So, you know, there's powerful people, more powerful than me, but my book will be, will be, if I have to self publish it or not, I'll have my book out.
00:27:34
Speaker 2: Well, you should, again, it's your story. And I think that's the thing. Like when I wrote my book, I changed someone's name, but I also, I told my ex, I'm like this, it started, and I'm curious how your writing process too, because my book started with me sharing a lot of things that now I'm glad I didn't share for my kid's sake. But it was a lot of like about him. And then the book turned into about me, where I was like, and at the end of it too, I was like, listen, I took out these stories and this and that and the other. And I said, this is it. you're in it, but it's not about you like at all. So like, here's, here's the manuscript and I would like for you to read it if you'd like to read it. But I did protect like what we have and you know, all the things, because at the end of the day, it was never, it's not about you. It's about how I move through everything that happened that you also did that I contribute, like all the things, you know? So it's like, you know, my kids.
00:28:27
Speaker 4: And you know, one of the things that I do talk about is parental alienation, which is a big thing. And that's a, a big thing with my fan base as well. Because, you know, when my kids were little and I was going through some difficulties with their dads, I hit it, you know, when you're a mom and you, you know, you, you hide things from your children. You protect your children from certain things that you don't want them to see or know. And you kind of suffer in silence, you know, and, and, I definitely am taking my children's feelings into consideration, but at the same time, you are young adults now. And I think you kind of need to understand why your mom's the crazy mom that she is, you know, why she why I did some of the things I did, because I don't think you understood what was being done or what I was going through during a lot of those years that you were young. And and that was me protecting them. But, you know, they're young adults. There's nothing there that I don't think I can't share with them. But I think a lot of women and parents will relate.
00:29:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, especially because a lot of those times, and I can think back on conversations and just like how I was, it makes me sad. but it's also knowing that like we are even when something was so wrongly done to us we're still protecting our kids to make sure they don't know certain things absolutely yeah you know like I yeah a very vivid vivid memory of something where I had to course correct it so that she wouldn't remember how she saw it in a way Right.
00:29:58
Speaker 3: Exactly. Yeah.
00:29:59
Speaker 2: Because I needed to protect her. And it's like, but it's so sad too, you know, because it's.
00:30:03
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
00:30:04
Speaker 4: I think there's like this quote and I don't, I don't remember, but it was like the the biggest acting job I ever did was when I had to smile with my kids as a mother, when inside I was like crying, you know, it's like terrible version.
00:30:15
Speaker 2: When you walk out of the bathroom from just sobbing and then being like, Hey kiddos.
00:30:24
Speaker 4: Yes. You know, just saw daddy making out with Paris Hilton on DMZ, but I'm so good.
00:30:30
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:30:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, just discovered the 15th affair. Here we go.
00:30:35
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:30:35
Speaker 1: Oh, yes.
00:30:36
Speaker 4: You know, everything's great. Yes. You know, it's like, gosh, it's interesting. And then to have it, you know, play out in public, you know, and having your kids like my kids were in the public eye. So that was a whole other like sort of crazy kind of thing.
00:31:00
Speaker 2: Do you regret doing the reality show now looking back?
00:31:03
Speaker 1: Oh no, no.
00:31:03
Speaker 4: I love it.
00:31:04
Speaker 3: It's so crazy though. I look back on it now.
00:31:07
Speaker 4: Sometimes people will send me YouTube clips. I don't even know those people. It's like watching like two strangers.
00:31:13
Speaker 3: No, I don't even know. Like, I'm like, wow, that girl looks fun. Like, who's that?
00:31:18
Speaker 4: Like, I don't even know who that, who like those people are, you know? So it's so, it's like a time capsule. It's kind of like a cool time capsule, but I just, I don't even, it's like a different, I feel like I've been through 10 lifetimes since then, so.
00:31:30
Speaker 2: I get that. Would you get married again?
00:31:32
Speaker 4: Oh my God, yes.
00:31:33
Speaker 3: I want to marry Greg so bad.
00:31:34
Speaker 4: Oh, that's so cute.
00:31:36
Speaker 2: I love this.
00:31:37
Speaker 3: I love him.
00:31:37
Speaker 2: You know that too, obviously, yes.
00:31:40
Speaker 4: He's, he knows. He's my Southern, he's my good old boy, my Southern gentleman. He's everything.
00:31:47
Speaker 2: I love that. So that's the thing where it's, it's, I'm like the biggest believer in love. And, you know, I've had a couple marriages, but like, I do believe that it's, you know, you do the work on yourself. And I just, I'm always the biggest advocate for love.
00:32:03
Speaker 4: And finding love. I just never wanted to let anybody make me afraid to fall in love again, you know? And Greg has definitely had to eat some other men's sins for breakfast. But the most beautiful thing about him is, you know, the way he communicates and the way he reassures people Me. And he's like, you know, look, I understand why that's triggering, but I'm not that person.
00:32:24
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:32:24
Speaker 2: My therapist always says don't don't give him the punishment of a crime that he didn't commit.
00:32:29
Speaker 3: Exactly.
00:32:30
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:32:31
Speaker 2: Not something that I think about often because I'm like, you're right. Like I'm I'm giving the energy and the attitude towards my husband when he didn't commit that crime.
00:32:39
Speaker 3: Exactly. Yeah.
00:32:40
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:32:41
Speaker 4: It sneaks in there once in a while, you know.
00:32:44
Speaker 2: Again, and I believe a lot of that is hormonal too. I really do. I'm not trying to place blame on certain things, but I think it's a combination of all of it.
00:32:52
Speaker 4: I agree. I'm with you.
00:32:53
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:32:54
Speaker 2: What would be your biggest advice for someone moving into their next chapter? Like, what is the thing that you're like?
00:32:59
Speaker 4: I think, you know, just like, you know, When I was younger, I just rushed. I rushed. I was like, I want to, I got to get this job.
00:33:10
Speaker 3: I got to get this relationship.
00:33:11
Speaker 4: I got to get this marriage. I got to, you know, I rush, rush, rush.
00:33:13
Speaker 3: Rush, rush.
00:33:14
Speaker 4: And I think the biggest thing is starting to just, I guess, allow myself the grace to to heal and to take that time to do the work on myself and to know that it's not going to happen overnight. And there are going to be setbacks and I'm not, I'm not, you know, like I am going to mess up, but I'm going to, you know, give myself grace and, you know, just, you know, it's like, It's like drinking, you know, if you, you know, it's like you want to, I was trying to do this like a two week cleanse, you know, and I'm, and I didn't do it. And so it's like, all right, well then we're going to start over. It's okay to start over again. You know, I think that's a big thing. People, you know, they beat themselves up too much.
00:33:54
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I also think too, it's, you know, and, and being on, you know, older and we're, we've all had marriages before, um, you're going to have things you're going to have to work on with your new partner too. Everyone's just like, Oh, you've got like, I'm like, yes, like he's amazing. And we still have things we have to work on as our coupleship and also independently too. And, you know, knowing very well that like we're doing that for us. And then for, for again, our coupleship, I think it's, I think one of.
00:34:19
Speaker 4: The hardest things for me too, with Greg was that it was a healthy love.
00:34:24
Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:34:24
Speaker 4: I didn't know how to process like, healthy love like I was so used to just drama and trauma and you know well.
00:34:34
Speaker 2: We're not fighting so what are you not do you not.
00:34:36
Speaker 4: Love me you know why are you like why are you finding fault with me or you know and I had to like there were times I had to really sit back and go you can trust this you can trust this love you can trust this man allow yourself to enjoy this you are deserving of this You know, and that was like a talk I had like the first year I had to like be like, remind myself you're deserving of that because I like having healthy love was so foreign.
00:35:05
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because your system just knows some, you know, again, that that trauma, the fight or flight, the next you're going to drop in fight or flight.
00:35:12
Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:35:12
Speaker 2: And you just always have to protect yourself. But, you know, now you've got Blink of an Eye coming out. By the way, nice title.
00:35:19
Speaker 3: Thank you.
00:35:20
Speaker 2: I'm a fan.
00:35:22
Speaker 1: Wow.
00:35:23
Speaker 4: I just got that.
00:35:24
Speaker 2: That took me a second. You're smart. You're very smart.
00:35:29
Speaker 4: Life goes by in a blink of an eye.
00:35:30
Speaker 3: I'll tell you that, though.
00:35:31
Speaker 4: You know, life can change just like that. So it's a lot. My life in that book is not just him or his bam, but it's it's. It's a lot of different things you'll see in my book that how your life can just change so quickly. It goes by fast. People don't realize life really does go by fast.
00:35:50
Speaker 1: It does.
00:35:50
Speaker 2: And then you've got the HelloFoxy. So where can everyone, what's the website? Because I was trying to find it.
00:35:56
Speaker 1: Sure.
00:35:56
Speaker 3: It's HelloFoxy. It's Foxy with an I. So just HelloFoxy.com. HelloFoxy.
00:36:02
Speaker 4: And it's Hello.Foxy at Instagram and HelloFoxyWellness on TikTok.
00:36:07
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm so excited.
00:36:09
Speaker 4: Yeah. So you can go on there and you can take a quiz and you can kind of share what your concerns are. We'll put you with a physician and we'll get you like an amazing program. And we don't leave you. You know, we we follow up with you. We we have, you know, at home blood kits, you know, so you don't even have to go to the lab. You can do it in the privacy of your own home. It's really, really beautiful.
00:36:31
Speaker 3: And we have everything.
00:36:32
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00:36:53
Speaker 2: Have you tried the oxytocin for nasal spray?
00:36:56
Speaker 1: I have.
00:36:56
Speaker 3: Yes, I have. It's fun.
00:36:58
Speaker 2: Okay. I just got it. What do you mean fun? What does it do? Because I haven't tried it yet and I'm so afraid of trying anything.
00:37:03
Speaker 4: It like heightens the sensations, you know. It's just like really good. It's going to give you that O, that extra O that you're looking for.
00:37:12
Speaker 1: Oh, OK. Yeah.
00:37:13
Speaker 2: Here we go.
00:37:14
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:37:15
Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:37:15
Speaker 2: I was. Yeah. My doctor prescribed it for like anxiety.
00:37:19
Speaker 4: Yeah. You can have it for anxiety, but also like for women's like, you know, obviously women in menopause, like there's lots of changes, you know, with.
00:37:26
Speaker 3: Like vaginal dryness.
00:37:28
Speaker 4: It can be uncomfortable.
00:37:29
Speaker 3: It can be painful. You know, there's just all different kinds of things going on down there.
00:37:34
Speaker 4: And we want to keep women happy and healthy because we should be enjoying sex more. well into our 80s is just like men. So you know, Robert De Niro has a three year old. We should be enjoying, you know, sexual wellness as well. So and I also sell ED products for men on there as well, you know, because we want our partners to be, you know, because so many men to, you know, when their testosterone drops, you know, they start having problems. And then that can affect our relationships, because they're embarrassed to talk to you because they can't.
00:38:04
Speaker 3: Get it up or, you know, whatever.
00:38:05
Speaker 4: And we want them to be feeling confident and sexy as well. So there's a whole little, whole little line on there for men and women. Yes.
00:38:13
Speaker 2: There, I mean, there's some amazing, amazing products in here. I'm looking at all of them. This is awesome. Well, thank you so much for coming on. I appreciate you sharing all the things.
00:38:21
Speaker 1: Oh my God.
00:38:21
Speaker 4: You are so sweet and so refreshing just to have a really nice conversation and not have to get all in the, the, the gossip of life. So I appreciate you.
00:38:29
Speaker 1: No.
00:38:30
Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:38:30
Speaker 2: I was like the last thing. It's just, it's just fun. to relate to someone that we've, you know, we might not have been through the exact same things, but we're on, on the journey of it all. So thanks for being open. I appreciate it.
00:38:43
Speaker 3: Well, thank you so much.
00:38:43
Speaker 4: I had so much fun.
00:38:44
Speaker 1: Okay.
00:38:45
Speaker 3: Bye girl.
00:38:46
Speaker 2: Are you trying to navigate your life in chapter two, but need some advice? Well, we're here to help you send us an email or leave us a voicemail. All the info is in the show notes. Follow us on socials. I do part two and I heart radio podcast. We're falling in love is the main objective.