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Find yourself in.

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Thank you for joining me.

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I'm Nola Simon.

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I'm the host of the Hope and Possibilities
podcast, and today I actually wanna

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talk about how you actually incorporate
futurism into your daily life.

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There's a lot of different
ways to practice futurism, but

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my interest has always been.

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How do you incorporate it into your
daily life and make steps towards

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the ideal future that you want?

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Some companies called this Future
back, so I did my original futurism

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training with Institute for the Future.

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So they use that future back
concept, which is 10 years from now.

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What is.

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It that I think ideally could
be a future I want to live.

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And then you look at the decisions
that you have to make to actually

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reach that point of view, and
that's how you make it happen.

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So again it's not necessarily a
straight shot to that ideal future,

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but it's if you are navigating a path.

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And you've got that in idea in mind.

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How do you make choices along the
way as things change and move?

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And technology gets dec decided people,
other people make decisions around you.

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How do you navigate that path so
that ideally you look and end up

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close to where it is you want to be?

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That's my interest in futurism is.

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I am not necessarily looking at
from a societal level, it's how do

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you incorporate it at an individual
level that gets you closer?

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And then, if lots of people
are doing that, then you

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have impact on larger issues.

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So how do you navigate that together
to have an actual impact overall.

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You start out by doing
a variety of noticing.

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So a lot of futurism is really
about paying attention and directing

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your attention and your focus into
what's actually happening around the

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topics that actually interest you.

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So there's multiple possible
futures on every topic you

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could possibly think about.

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But.

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Not every person who's interested in
futurism is going to be interested in the

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same thing, and there is no specific one
answer for each individual topic because

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it's influenced by your perceptions,
your knowledge, your information, your

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relationships, your location, all of that.

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Is very different.

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And that's where it becomes very
interesting when you get into

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scenario planning and simulations.

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What can you actually learn by doing
that on a mass level to understand

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where the commonalities are, right?

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So this is where it can be
become very interesting.

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The individual experience and expectation
is then translated into something that's.

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Larger and more influential that we can
learn from and then work towards, right?

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You start simple by scanning
for signals, so articles art

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stories, experience media pieces.

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A lot of it is personal experience.

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So you're walking the dog and somebody
tells you a story about something

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that happened to them, right?

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Something that you notice trends in
fashion and cars, and, all these different

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things are little signals that indicate
to you something that's happening, right?

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You start paying attention
and you start collecting it.

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A lot of it is really just noticing.

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It doesn't have to be.

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Really super intellectual.

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Everybody processes this kind
of stuff differently, right?

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So a lot of times I trust
my intuition with it.

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It's like you notice it and
you go, oh, that's interesting.

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I wonder why.

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And then you start noticing it and it's
about more about how you direct your

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function and your attention, your focus.

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So that's scanning for signals.

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And then do those signals
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Fur into a trend.

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So what are you seeing in terms
of trends longer term, right?

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Are you noticing it?

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Have you been noticing development?

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How is this changing from year to year?

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When does it actually become
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to have influence longer term?

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And then is it a trend or
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So for example, cell phones.

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I had a cell phone when I first
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went to work for a cell phone company.

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My cell phone at the time was
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I had to carry it around.

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It probably weighed 10 pounds.

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And now we use a cell phone that's so
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and it really takes the place of
a laptop the majority of the time.

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So that starts out as
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A trend and then becomes a
significant change to how we

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do business, how we conduct our
lives, how we direct our focus.

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But it also has impact on relationships
and, how people communicate and interact

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and it's got longer term consequences
that when cell phones first started,

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I don't think people understood.

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How does that work from here?

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Because we know where we
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that look like going forward?

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Is it going to translate into
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Probably not because Google Glass,
you have to wear on your face.

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It really becomes part of your identity.

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It's something that you actually
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Could I be wrong?

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Absolutely.

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Everything that I've seen indicates to me
that is not a trend that's gonna take off.

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So what do you pay attention to?

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And then it becomes, once you notice these
things happening, how do you strategically

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plan for the fact that you've noticed
this and how it's going to inform how you

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incorporate into your life and your work.

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So for example, I'm
noticing right now that.

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Governments, banks public
service in general, right?

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Anything that's really directed by
organizations and individuals that

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own a lot of commercial real estate.

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They don't like that story of
commercial Real estate is going

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to lose a lot of value because of
work from home, work from anywhere.

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That workplace flexibility and their
business model doesn't run very

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well that way if commercial real
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of a factor in daily work life.

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So there's a push for return to office.

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Now, push for return to
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I experienced this.

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I started working remotely one day a week.

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Work from home essentially back in 2012.

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I started advocating for it in 2011.

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And then I was forced back into the office

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in 2013.

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I actually end of 2012 beginning of
2013, and that lasted exactly a year

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because there's a significant benefit to.

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Having flexibility, especially for,
people who do actually have to provide

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caregiving and elder care and all kinds
of different things where they need to

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really blend their life and their work.

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It's like, how do you weave
your life and your work?

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What's that negotiation look like?

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And it's a lot easier when you have the
autonomy and flexibility to choose where

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it is you're going to be on a daily basis.

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So that.

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You can be the person who's controlling

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what happens in your day.

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That's essentially the definition
of autonomy and agency.

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People like that.

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People really like that.

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And to take that away for the
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investment that's perceived as a loss.

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So human beings are really
wired to avoid loss.

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It's going to be a significant battle
because the people who own the commercial

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real estate are also wired to avoid loss.

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And so this becomes a significant
change in how they've perceived the

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value of their investments, how their
work is going to actually change, if

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it's going to change, and how that
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interest in not losing that value.

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Whereas the time loss for the individuals
who work for them who are forced by

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employment law really to either comply
and show up for at those offices or find

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some alternative employment, that's really

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challenging.

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So this again, is nothing new.

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I experienced it like over 10
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My kids don't even remember me
working in an office because of the

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choices that I made along the way
to allow me to be home for them.

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They remember me being the mom that
I always wanted to be, which was,

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I wanted to be the default parent.

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I wanted to be the person who would come
to the school, go to school meetings.

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I would be the person who was home so that
their friends could come over and they

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could go swimming and have sleepovers,
and I wanted to be the person doing.

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The, the car runs if they wanted
to go to the store and just,

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I would be that parent in the
neighborhood who could be relied upon.

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My daughter has a friend,
she spent so much time here.

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Her mom calls me the second mom,
and so I achieved that because

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of decisions that I made when she
was two, because I aim towards.

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What I wanted that experience to be,
and it's not that I had any certainty

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about the decisions I was going
to make, but it was knowing ahead

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of time which choices would get me
closer to what it was I wanted to be.

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For everybody who's actually working
in a situation where you are constantly

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being mandated back to the office.

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Now, COVID has been over,
it started in what, 2020?

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We started really getting out of it in 22.

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Now it's 20, 25 every September.

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Since.

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2022. Really?

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21 maybe if you're really early.

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People have tried to force their
employees to go back to the office

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because it's impacting downtown.

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It's impacting the
subways ridership is down.

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It's impacting the stores around it.

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So the people who live down there are
actually having their experience affected

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because there's not enough foot traffic,
because there's not enough commuters.

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To keep their dry cleaners and their
restaurants and their cafes running.

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So neighborhoods are changing, all
because people are working from home.

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a situation where you either
comply because that's what

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you're obligated to do.

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Based on the terms of your employment
contract and employment law,

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or you make decisions that
actually support your goals.

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Now I've been.

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In financial services.

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I've worked in wealth management.

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I didn't actually work in the insurance
division, but I did work for an insurance

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company and then I worked for a bank,
also owned by that same insurance company.

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So I understand that, and the attraction
of an industry that has been around

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for a long time, that is perceived
to be stable, that has history to it.

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The company I worked for
was actually the first.

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President of the company was the
first Prime Minister of Canada.

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That's a significant legacy.

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So there's a perception that
company is safe and that then

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translates into stable employment.

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But it's also the credibility
brought by the brand name.

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And a lot of times when people ask
me what I did I didn't actually

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tell them anything about what I did.

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I just told 'em I worked for the
company and that was sufficient.

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So I understand the attraction
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Because you've got benefits.

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Your pay is going to be fine.

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You understand that the company
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or rather long term, right?

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Because it's always been around,
or at least that's the perception

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right now as markets changed
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That may not always be true.

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There are financial challengers
coming to big banks in Canada now.

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Things are changing because a lot of
people don't necessarily even need to

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walk into branches of banks anymore.

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They do everything online, and so
that, that relationship with the

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local branch is being impacted.

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The small town that I grew up in, in
Setton, all of their banks are closing.

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The town council is actually challenging
the last bank that's leaving because

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every bank is abandoned the town, right?

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And they have an older population.

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And that population is used
to that level of service.

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It becomes problematic, right?

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But this is the thing.

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What is that future going to look like?

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And if you are not noticing these trends
and you're not paying attention and

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you're not thinking about what possibly
could be happening five, 10 years from

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now, you are gonna be caught off guard.

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You're not going to be changing,
you're not gonna be upskilling,

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you're not going to be planning for
what that could possibly look like

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now, right at the moment in my work.

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I, up until now, although I've called
myself a futurist, I've also called

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myself a hybrid remote futurist.

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And so what that meant was, my
goal was to actually help companies

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and organizations and individuals
do workplace flexibility better.

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And a lot of companies
are still doing that.

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The companies that are startups,
the companies that are smaller who

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don't actually have a significant
real estate portfolio, they're

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not choosing to really invest in
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understand that's not
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Okay, so who hires somebody who's
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That's really the companies that
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The big companies, the governments aren't
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although they have the budget, they're
not necessarily inclined to hire somebody

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that's going to actually deliver a message
that commercial real estate is gonna die.

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So how do I adjust my business
knowing that right at the

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moment we're in this cycle?

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Because this does tend to be
cyclical because there's a lot of

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resistance to that whole mindset.

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It's that fight against, loss.

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How do I pivot my business?

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And that's the thing.

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Futurism is always an ongoing practice.

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You have to adjust to the
reality of the present.

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It's navigating a river, right?

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There's a, there's an obstacle ahead.

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How do you navigate around it?

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Think about it like a video game.

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You're simulating how you
navigate like a course, right?

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So there's gonna be obstacles, there's
gonna be alligators that try to eat you.

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How do you move and pivot and make those
choices that are gonna get you closer

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to what it is you wanna do, right?

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I'm considering how I use
futurism in a way that's broader

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than just hybrid, remote.

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How do I expand my practice so that
it can adapt to the cyclical nature of

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what's happening in business right now?

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And how does that look in terms
of transformation and reinvention?

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That's where I'm at.

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So anyways, I wanted to.

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Just put that forward as an example
of how we can use futurism as a way

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to really inform our daily lives.

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And then if as a whole, everybody
is actually geared towards that.

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And realistically, I know that's not
going to be a thing because the future

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you is often a stranger to yourself.

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You assume that things are
going to stay the same that.

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That what's happening in your present
is often going to stay the same.

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It's neuroscience.

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The majority of people don't
necessarily think about what their

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future self is going to like.

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That's why it's so hard to stick to
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different way or to save, because.

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That mindset of prioritizing future over
present is a challenging one, right?

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if you can adapt it in such a way that
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Does that investment in mindset
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translate into something bigger?

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And that's where it's like, what small
practices can we implement to start to

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pay attention to those mindset shifts that
really help us invest in the future year?

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And that's really why I am
running the 21 day challenge

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that I'm running to practice.

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Futurism and how do you incorporate
that in your daily life?

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So anyways, thanks for listening.

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I'm interested to hear
how you practice futurism.

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If you were asking for my advice on how
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what it is you notice, and then question
what if, so if something that you are

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seeing happens, what does that mean?

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What if this happens?

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What if.

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And do you react positively or negatively?

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How does that idea feel in your body?

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Are you automatically resistant?

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Does it make you excited?

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Does it make you hopeful?

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What type of futurist do you tend to be?

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Because there are people who really
focus on the hopeful futures,

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and there are people who really
focus on the dystopian futures.

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I tend to lean towards hopeful with the
awareness that not everything is going

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to be perfect, and so that shadow side of
futurism, it's good to be aware of, the

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priority is on the hopeful because if you
don't have optimism, what do you have?

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Yeah.

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So that's where it's like this.

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I call the podcast a love
letter to the future of work.

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Chances are work will suck in lots
of ways in the future as well too.

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But what are the good parts and can
we actually change it so that there's

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more good parts than bad parts?

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Anyways, I'd love to hear your thoughts.

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Thanks.

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Find yourself in.