Sept. 7, 2025

The Jailhouse Phone Calls of "Dee Dee" Moore

The Jailhouse Phone Calls of "Dee Dee" Moore
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Season 1

In this episode of Exposed: Scandalous Files of the Elite, Jim brings you the Jailhouse Phone Calls of the most recent subject of the Fatal Fortune series "Dee Dee" Moore.

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Hello, Hello, this is a free call from Dad. You

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may start the conversation now.

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Hello, Hello, Hey, it's this Howard.

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Yeah, yeah, Hey, what's up?

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That's a lot because y'all are I know you're getting

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my discovery soon, right. I don't know if you've done

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it yet, but I don't care. I have nothing to lose, Howard.

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I really didn't kill this man, so I really don't

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have enyhing to lose. Well, Lauria doesn't want me speaking

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to you. I don't care at this point. I want

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my side of that out there, if you're going to

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have my discovery out there.

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Because sure, okay, do you want to well tell me what?

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Tell me what you want to tell me?

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Because I was sporced.

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You know that you were forced when I.

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Was supposed to talk to Greg Smith. That was sport.

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I was sported Greg Smith Ronald, and he was Ronald.

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The fictitious man. They say that I made up, the

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one that they say I made up.

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I have a question.

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Do you have an address that I can write to

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you where you get it in a day?

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Yeah, sure, you can send it to me right here

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at two hundred SOD Who is who is Ronald?

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Ronald is one of the guys that were there that

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night that I had told you about.

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Before, Right, But but what did I mean? What's his

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last name? Ronald' last don't know?

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What do you think that when you meet people that

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Abraham knew, they just introduced themselves as first and last name,

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like I'm supposed to know this associate of his. I

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don't you know. I don't care how funny it sounds.

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I don't care how weird it sounds. I really don't care.

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I have nothing to lose. The stuff that they have

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in my discovery, you will see yourself when you look

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through it. All that money was done legitimately. It wasn't

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fundled or siphoned. How do they put it? That's ridiculous.

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I'm going to tell you this. I'm gonna send you

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a paper where I have wrote a bunch of stuff

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down so that you can compare it to what you

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see there. Okay, and then you do your own math.

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Because I can tell you I want to be in

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againist of the World records if I killed this man, because.

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Well, because I will be the dumbest criminal ever.

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Think of some of the stuff that's in there, okay,

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think of some of the complex things well, I'm going

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to be smart enough to try to conomy an out

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of money, but stupid enough to put him on my

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own property. Come on, Howard, anybody smarter than that if

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they didn't have other means. Okay, I know people put

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them on their own properties if they don't have other means.

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I have a boat if I'm not sick in the head. Okay.

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So there's a lot of other factors in this, but

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I'm going to send them to you and you will

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see my side of the story. You and it will.

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So what happened, Tell me what happened? Tell me you

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were there? What happened?

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Two hundred two hundreds out pisis Well, I want to

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make sure I put it in writing so that way

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it can't be misquoted. I can't, you know what I mean.

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I don't want The biggest thing I want you to

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put in there is look in my discovery. You know

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how they said I said my son did it. That's

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the reason why I wouldn't call you for so long,

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you know, because my son got really upset because I

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would say something like that. It really hardest feelings. He's

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been high school, he has got high school. You know

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how peer pressure is in high school. I knew I

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didn't say that, but I didn't know exactly what I

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said because I was so scared at the time. I

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didn't know exactly what I said. I knew I was

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putting them off. I knew I was, you know, putting

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them off for what they were telling me, but I

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didn't know exactly how I put in it. And know,

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let me talk about it the next day or whatever.

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That's how tunnel vision I was because I was so scared.

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You tell what that's how you know tunnel vision I

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was as far as you know, how you get put

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you get scared about something, you're worried. I couldn't think

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of everything because I talked to him for so many

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you know, so much, so much. But in my recorded

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conversation with them when I was in that room, I

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kept wanting to know what I said because the next say,

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I was tired that night too, and the next day

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they said, I said, my son. I knew I didn't

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say it like that. I knew if anything, I would

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put them off. I would have said, you know what

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I mean something if they could have even interpreted it

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that way. Well, in the Discovery, it clearly says, and

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in the tape recording it clearly says no, did my

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son do it? No? I say no they. I asked

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how the police can put something like that in the paper.

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My lawyer told me they can because they can try

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to see if anybody will call a negative about you.

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It's to get you to have a negative light towards

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the public, so they can see what people will say. Well,

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you know what, I think that's wrong. If I didn't

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say that, the more I put in there that I

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said that could because.

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They won't, you know what, because they said it in

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open court, And that's that's different. If somebody just said it, it

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would have been different. But they said it an open chord,

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which makes it which opens it up for us to

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be able to say, okay, well tell me it wasn't true.

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Well we didn't know that. Yeah, wait, no one no

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one said it was. I mean, no one said it

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wasn't true. That's and you're saying that wasn't true.

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Well, you look in the discovery and you will hear

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a tape recorded conversation.

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And we don't have we don't have a tape court.

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We were not getting that right now.

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Okay, Well, what are you getting.

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We're just getting four thousand pages of documents, but you

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don't know what it is. I don't know in nine

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of the police reports and about sixteen hundred pages of

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bank records.

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Yeah, that doesn't that isn't true. Whether I killed him him.

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You know, he gave eight million dollars away away for

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me meeting him. Come on, he gives eight million away.

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This wasn't reading him, this was this isn't mean I

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meet and he gave eight million away. Hello, they're going

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to make me kill him. I had the money in

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my possession. January, the house was turned over to me.

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He told people, I bought the house. He told the

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guy from the hood system. He told his neighbor. He told,

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you know, it's not like he didn't tell you. Well,

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I'll give you the names so you can investigate them.

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He said. He said he bought the house. Huh, he

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said he bought.

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No, he told people I bought the house from him. Hey, book,

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He went around telling people I bought the house for him.

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If you call Hoop the company Hoop, there is a

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hoop guy that came out there, did the septic and

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he can put hoops. Yes, it's h o O t.

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It's O O T. If you want to say an

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accurate story, you know, do both sides.

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No, absolutely, so did he tell me? What? Can you

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tell me? What happened that night?

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We'll wait? Did right down?

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Hoo hoo h o olp septic and they're out of Lakeland. Yeah,

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it's h o O T hoo right, h o op

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like hoop.

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No hoot, it's like hoot as an owl.

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Oh hoo h o O T hoop sceptic.

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Okay, they have I can get the full name.

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That's the I'll find a hoot sceptic hoot septic.

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The other thing is is that there is a guy,

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there's two of them actually, that he told that I

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bought his bad debt from and he is what the debt?

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I think?

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No bad debt, bad debt, bad debt.

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Yeah, okay, but he tells people. But I will put

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that in the letter to you and everything will be

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written out and then you make your own decisions. You

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put what you want to know. If you get my

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discovery and you have questions on it, call me, but

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you know when you're I'll call.

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You in jail. Are you going to talk to anyone else?

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Nope, I'm not talking to nobody else, because you at

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least will go by side for the story. You'll tell

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the truth.

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Yeah, I mean, I'll definitely call you up. Uh you know,

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but you know what they're gonna ask. The trouble with

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the jail is, honestly, they got to call your lawyer.

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And if the lawyer says no, not let you talk,

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but so call me, call me, call me today.

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If you've called me, then I'll call you back.

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Okay, Look, I'll call.

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You later on today after I go to school today,

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so after about maybe I'll have to do it after lockdown.

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Though.

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What time do you leave the office?

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Uh? You know, I usually around four, but you know

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I can wait.

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No, I don't want to have to wait.

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I'll just do it before.

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Okay, See, I go to school, I get back at three.

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I think, Well, of school, it's computer class here, so yeah, I'm.

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Taking Did you should tell me what happened?

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It's business administration? Well what on a second, I don't

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know how much I can tell. You know, I've got

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to be careful to protect myself too. I don't care,

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but my lawyer does, you know. But I have to

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be careful on how I word it because you know

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I didn't do this hour. If the common sense doesn't

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help the American public, know, what will I mean, there's

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just a lot of common sense here to it. If

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I'm smart enough to do all the money stuff, wouldn't

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you think I'd be smart enough to not to put

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him on my own property killing him in the only

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carpeted room in the house. Where right' it's premeditated. But

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I'm gonna kill him in the only carpeted room in

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the house on premeditation. There's a lot of things that

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are wrong with the story a bunch.

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So is the game. Ronald.

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Yeah, a guy named Ronald wasn't the killer.

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He was with the guy that killed him, who was

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a killer.

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I don't know his name. That's the whole problem. Why

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the cops say I'm making it up? Why don't I

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do this. I'm going to try to get a sketch

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artist to sketch him, and then I'll give you that

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and you can put it in the paper and see

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if we give any.

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Leaders to describe him for me, white, black, big, small?

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Was he wearing, Oh, he's I've got all that written down,

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but he's he's. I don't know if it's.

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Cuban descent, but Hesuban.

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I don't know if it's Cuban. He speaks, he can

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speak Spanish.

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I know that Spanish.

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And the other guy, Ronald, is black.

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Ronald's black, okay, but describe, I mean describe it. I

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can't just he was black or Spanish? I mean, do

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you have any other description for him?

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I'm trying to think.

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What what does Ronald look like?

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Tall than short, Ronald's he's about five eight maybe.

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Five eight as much? Does he weigh.

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Probably about two pounds.

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Maybe he's about two hundred pounds? Okay? And what was

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he wearing?

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Remember it's been freaking over a year and something. I

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do not I can't, I don't even want to.

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And and what what? Uh? What was the other guy wearing?

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What it was he big? Small, round, short, fat, muscular,

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average age, but the average? And did he did he

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light skin? Dark skin? I guess medium, medium tone. But

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he spokes on Spanish? Do you know what he said

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in Spanish?

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My goodness, I'm trying to think of this has been

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a year and something ago, Howard. I mean, I wasn't

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even thinking that, you know, they killed the man. I wasn't,

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you know, thinking I had to remember everything from not

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one of those. I don't. I don't worry. I know

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that I heard him talk in Spanish.

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You know him Spanish, don't we? Who was he talking Spanish? Too?

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He was Spanish? So why they why they kill him? Oh?

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This speak?

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You're gonna if I told you this, then you're gonna

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say a team from me. And I'd rather it comes

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from the people I heard it from. You know, I'd

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rather them call you and tell you.

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Who's gonna call me.

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I'm gonna see if I can't get them to call you,

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because we have the tickness. We have a witness on

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my side, and I found out what happened and why

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they went over there.

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But okay, I'm gonna give you a little bit of it. Okay.

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I just don't want them to be able to see

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me if this is not true, and I'm hoping you know.

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That.

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I'm just not I don't want to put somebody else

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through what I went through if it's not true. I

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don't want to ruin somebody else's life like mine's been

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ruined from this. And I don't think it's fair to

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ruin somebody's life if they had nothing to do with this.

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But I was told that Sentorria Butler and Antoine andrew

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the mother of the kids, that Tori is the one

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that originally sent him over there. The videos which and

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Antoinette Andrews and vice Wolia Butler, you know Sincelia Butler, Yes, okay,

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you know the video tape that they say that helps

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them their sight up the story. You know, the video tape.

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That videotape does nothing but help me. That videotape proves

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that I had nothing to do with it. That video tape,

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there's nothing but exonerate me. It is because in the video,

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Abraham's discussing how many people he wants to get back at.

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He's wanting, you know, for me to do all these collections,

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not for him. He even says, I even say, I

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think in it, do you want me to you know,

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tell on my own needs collections. He wants to do

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it out of principle for the fact that these people

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have taken advantage of him and he didn't like it.

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He hated being asked all the time, and they, you know,

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they did that, and he wanted me to go and

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collect for him. So he goes and he talks about

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that on the videotape. The other thing it does is

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it's got Centoria on a video recording of it saying

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how much of a piece of garbage it Abraham is,

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how horrible he is, how nasty?

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Wait? Waitit piece of garbage Abraham is? This is on video?

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Yes, it's on video.

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Who has this video?

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But share supported.

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Hillsborough County.

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It's on a tony hand account. They have it and

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lock up.

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That's the one that they just took and they just

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got Sep had that.

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I had given it, already had it before they go.

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I don't know, I don't understand it. I wasn't quite

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sure what the deal was with that friend.

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I gave them everything they wanted access to when they

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were in Polk County. You know, I didn't have none

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to hide. The only thing I did wrong, the only

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thing I did wrong in this whole investigation, was talked

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to Greg Smith. And that's because they said they were

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gonna kill my son. I didn't do that out of

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wanting to. They told me they were going to kill

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my son, and slice you mind.

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You said they were gonna kill your son, kill your son.

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The imaginary man. So as far as Tori goes, so

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I've got along video tape. She wasn't supposed to get

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a dime. A dime from Abraham. Abraham says, I will

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give all my money away. I will sell everything off

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before you get one dime.

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That weekend, they.

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Had a fight in front of uh I can get

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to the guy's name. In front of Babra's store. It's

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in Lakeland.

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They had a part.

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It's in front of Babra's store. It's like a fashion

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store off of one of the trees. I call it

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baby store, Bab's store. But yeah, but that's not the

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name of I'll have to find out what that's the

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guy's thing. So I'll have to find out what the

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name of the store.

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Is for you.

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But they have a fight. Okay, he's on the phone

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with her. They had this big fight. Toy has put

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a dent in every car he owned. Plus, he never

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wanted her to have cast because she smokes marijuana. And

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he never wanted her to have cast because the first

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when he met her, she was a stripper. That's how

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they met. She came over to do a strip dance

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for him at the house, and that's how they met.

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And everybody will tell you that she came over as

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a paid stripper for him, and he felt like she

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had that baby on purpose to and trap him.

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So let's go, let's go to the night. If we

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could to the night of what happened.

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You'd like to, but I've got to, you know, be

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careful myself there. So I'm gonna because I've got to

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make sure what parts I can't say so, but trust me,

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I listen, Howard, who in the heck what's to me?

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And you just at the record, you don't think it

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seems kind of funny to kill a man putting in

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my own yard when I have a boat, I have

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other means. I've seen every TV show that out there

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known the mankind. When you kill a person, you tie

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what concrete to him and throw him overboard into the

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water somewhere where they don't find them, and just throw

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away the gun. You don't keep everything, you don't, you know,

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Favan as a sevenir in the backyard. That's pretty disgusting

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to think that somebody's in the backyard. I was told

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there was money being buried in the backyard. That's what

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I was told was being buried in the backyard.

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What's in your locker? Locker the storage locker in the

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plant City run to stop papers, don't money any money

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in there, They're welcome to open it up.

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I thought they opened that up before.

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I have no idea. I didn't. I didn't really know anything.

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One of your former sheellmates came and talked to me

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or to call me the phone.

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Really a former sell She.

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Said that you said there you wanted to talk to me,

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and I don't her name was, I don't remember her name.

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Why would she bring up a storagelocker?

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She said, you wanted me to check on your storage locker,

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I plan city.

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She must have called the wrong person I want. I

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wanted her to see if my stuff was still there

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so that my mom would say the bill. How stupid

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it wasn't that she just called you up and said

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I want to check on her storagelocker. I wouldn't ask

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you to check on the storage locker. She got the

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wrong person.

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Let me.

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Ultimately, one minute remaining.

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If I could be my desk is asking if I

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can record this conversation. I haven't yet.

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Well, the problem is with record, it's already recorded by

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the TV.

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Huh no, no for TV purposes.

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Oh, for TV purposes yeah, yeah, let me. I'll have

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to call you back because I only got one minute left.

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It said, let right call me call me back. Okay,

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I'll do that, Okay, thanks the caller.

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Hello, this is a free call from you. May start

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the conversation now, hey d D.

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Yeah, You're gonna put you on speaker. Okay, hold on,

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okay ready, and it's gonna be recorded, just so you know. Okay, okay,

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can you hate talk DD?

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Okay, let's say D yeah.

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Y can you talk?

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Yeah?

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Okay, okay.

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You want to mitigate similar mine here, here's one that

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you can investigate. Super Choice Foods, Super Choice Foods. It's

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in Lake one off a Memorial Highway.

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Say you say that again.

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It's called super Choice Foods, super.

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Choice food It's it's on Memorial House Highway, Memorial Highway.

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It's Jamianda Johmond ziad owns it. It's j I M

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A M D.

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He answered, okay.

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Jaman zaid, yeah, that's the one that Abraham loaned a

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million dollars to. Okay, asked for an employee by his

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name of Nathaniel Thomas.

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Nathaniel Thomas Thomas, Yes, he works there.

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Nathaniel went and told this is how they scared me too.

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Nathaniel went, Now this police informat they have working for them,

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Greg Smith, he's scaring me. He brought me a recording

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that he recorded. He went up to different courts foods,

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He got Nathaniel Thomas out front and recorded Nathaniel. And

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you can ask Nathaniel if this conversation did not happen.

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He recorded a conversation with Nathaniel Thomas of the how Poppy,

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how Demad's Ayad was going to kill me, and how

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he was going to get away with it, how he

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would fly from California to New York. Now, I doubt

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Poppy was even going to do that. I think that

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they did it just to scare me. I doubt we

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even said that. They just did it to scare me.

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So they kept making me think Poppy was out to

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hurt me, and he wasn't. They were just trying to

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scare me. Say so, tell me so you talked, So

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you talked to Nathaniel, and he'll tell you that he

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had the conversation. That recording is in also evidence because

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Greg Smith recorded Nathaniel and then brought it to me

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in front of Judy Megan's and played it for me

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telling me that Poppy wanted to kill me. That soo

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and uh and Andrews told me the same thing. She

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was telling me. Ye Antwoinette was telling me the same thing,

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and she was calling me trying to scare me.

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She was she said she would kill you.

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No, no, she was trying to tell me that Poppy

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was trying, you know, say things want to go just

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to scare me, you do.

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I want to go back to what we talked about earlier.

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Is now we're on tape here, he said a guy

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named Ronald? Was there another guy? Talk about that again?

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Talk about that night you said you didn't do it.

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Go ahead, tell me what what the conversation you said.

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Let's just go back over that. I told you.

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I don't want to go over that part until you know.

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I talked to you. What about you said that?

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I tell you if there was two guys, a guy

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named law and he told me that the other guy

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killed him.

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He said, the other guy killed him. You didn't see it.

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I can't say all that.

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Did you see what happened?

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Trust me? They forced me to say that I didn't

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see it happened.

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Now, okay, he did see it happened they they forced

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you to say that.

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Yeah, now what about I don't know until he I

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didn't know he was bought until January when everybody else did.

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When I found out, I was completely shocked. I was

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That's why I you know, I went. I went to Greg. Yes,

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I lied to the cops. I would if I could

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have told him a pink elephant shot him with the trunk,

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I would have because I was scared. These people were

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saying they were to kill my son and the cops

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didn't believe me. All I asked for the cops to

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do for me to describe.

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The guy I seen and talked to.

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All I asked and would do was to protect my son.

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I told everybody a different story because I couldn't tell

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which one was going back to Ronald and telling him

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everything I was saying to the cops, because every time

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I turned around, he knew exactly what I told the cops,

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exactly to the tea what I told the cops.

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Why you told you taught a police all these different

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stories because you were afraid of Ronald.

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Yeah, and I told him that. And when they when

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they brought me into questioning on my questioning tape, on

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my tape, in questioning, I say the same thing. I

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tell them, you're blackmailing me. You're trying to get me

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to tell you something you know, and I want protection

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from my son. All they had to do was put

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my son in protection, and that's it. They would never

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do that. What does that hurt? How is that going

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to hurt anything? If if they would have protected my

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son and then I told them and they said it

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found out it was a lie, then throw the book

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at me, hit me forty five years in prison, make

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me an old lady. I don't care, but at least

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protect him. They think I wasn't scared, Oh, I would

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act to no more right. I've never cursed in my life.

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I don't.

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I don't have a foul mouth. But I did when

484
00:24:55.799 --> 00:24:58.680
I was with Greg Smith. I didn't ask myself. I

485
00:24:58.839 --> 00:25:00.799
was scared and I had to ACTI normal. Less can

486
00:25:00.880 --> 00:25:03.119
be just to get out of all of this because

487
00:25:03.200 --> 00:25:06.400
I was scared to death and they can say, oh,

488
00:25:06.480 --> 00:25:08.279
I was having fun, I was doing this, I was

489
00:25:08.319 --> 00:25:10.480
doing that. That's when I thought he was alive. I

490
00:25:10.599 --> 00:25:13.039
thought he was just being stubborn and not coming back

491
00:25:13.079 --> 00:25:16.359
on purpose. If I knew if he was dead, I

492
00:25:16.359 --> 00:25:19.200
wouldn't have did all that stuff. I wouldn't have went

493
00:25:19.359 --> 00:25:23.240
to went to where did I? I went to the

494
00:25:23.319 --> 00:25:24.640
Holy Limb with his mom.

495
00:25:24.960 --> 00:25:27.759
That would be pretty sick of me as an individual

496
00:25:28.119 --> 00:25:28.359
to do.

497
00:25:28.480 --> 00:25:30.759
Something like that, to go to ubber Liliam with her

498
00:25:32.240 --> 00:25:34.359
and pray Steedie. When did you find out that Abraham

499
00:25:34.480 --> 00:25:34.759
was dead?

500
00:25:36.279 --> 00:25:39.839
Not until a couple of days before they recovered um

501
00:25:41.200 --> 00:25:43.759
a couple days before? What a couple of days before

502
00:25:43.799 --> 00:25:44.680
they recovered the body?

503
00:25:45.839 --> 00:25:46.759
And how'd you find out?

504
00:25:47.839 --> 00:25:48.440
Ronald? By?

505
00:25:49.200 --> 00:25:51.319
Ronald told you? And what did Royle tell you?

506
00:25:52.920 --> 00:25:57.200
He told me that they buried him where they were

507
00:25:57.240 --> 00:26:01.079
supposed to be bearing money, and they took the money.

508
00:26:03.039 --> 00:26:03.839
And how much money?

509
00:26:06.720 --> 00:26:08.640
Probably over a million?

510
00:26:09.359 --> 00:26:11.319
Over a million. Now, so you saw that he was

511
00:26:11.400 --> 00:26:12.839
burying money on your property?

512
00:26:13.200 --> 00:26:15.519
Yeah? Because who buries his money? It's in the tap

513
00:26:15.599 --> 00:26:20.279
recordings and Antoina Andrews knows. I wouldn't think no big

514
00:26:20.400 --> 00:26:22.480
deal about him.

515
00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:24.880
His money is buried.

516
00:26:25.720 --> 00:26:27.519
He buries money, that's what he does.

517
00:26:28.240 --> 00:26:30.480
Okay, where was the money buried?

518
00:26:31.000 --> 00:26:33.359
It was supposed to be buried on my property. But

519
00:26:33.480 --> 00:26:38.920
they buried him with not the money, So.

520
00:26:39.039 --> 00:26:40.880
You thought that they were digging a hole to bury

521
00:26:40.960 --> 00:26:45.720
his money, yes, and said it was a million dollars

522
00:26:45.799 --> 00:26:50.000
for more, and and what what happened to that money?

523
00:26:50.880 --> 00:26:51.400
I don't know.

524
00:26:51.559 --> 00:26:53.240
If I knew that, I wouldn't be in jail, now

525
00:26:53.279 --> 00:26:53.559
would I.

526
00:26:59.079 --> 00:27:01.599
So basically, you're saying that a million dollars out there

527
00:27:01.640 --> 00:27:03.720
that was taken by a guy named Ronald who dug

528
00:27:03.759 --> 00:27:06.279
a hole in your yard, who thought they would be

529
00:27:06.400 --> 00:27:09.359
burying money, but not. Instead they buried Abraham.

530
00:27:09.799 --> 00:27:12.559
I know it sounds stupid. I know that sounds so

531
00:27:12.799 --> 00:27:15.920
far fetched, it's ridiculous. But you got to think of

532
00:27:16.079 --> 00:27:18.920
how it sounds too to say that I knew something

533
00:27:19.039 --> 00:27:23.000
like that was going to happen. Abraham buries his money

534
00:27:23.400 --> 00:27:26.599
in his videotape. He does that, but you know that's

535
00:27:26.799 --> 00:27:30.240
not abnormal for him. He told Tory on the phone,

536
00:27:30.400 --> 00:27:33.759
he buried his money, you know. So when he they

537
00:27:33.839 --> 00:27:35.599
told me that he wanted to bury money, I had

538
00:27:35.680 --> 00:27:38.880
no problem with it. Anybody would say, okay, go ahead.

539
00:27:39.240 --> 00:27:40.359
Why would you question that.

540
00:27:42.519 --> 00:27:44.160
It was something normal he did.

541
00:27:44.480 --> 00:27:48.079
He was out of the ordinary. He was what I said,

542
00:27:48.119 --> 00:27:49.400
he was out of the ordinary.

543
00:27:50.119 --> 00:27:53.759
He was out of it. Yeah, okay, Now is this

544
00:27:53.880 --> 00:27:57.680
in discovery at all, that the bearing of the money. No, absolutely,

545
00:27:57.799 --> 00:28:02.519
not okay, So no one knows this, no, okay? And

546
00:28:02.920 --> 00:28:05.240
and so when did when did Ronald tell you? Did

547
00:28:05.279 --> 00:28:08.039
he tell you by phone? Did he visit you? No?

548
00:28:08.240 --> 00:28:13.039
He that's something that will be discussed in sport. But

549
00:28:13.160 --> 00:28:14.559
there's a way he's contacted me.

550
00:28:14.920 --> 00:28:17.680
So and said, how did he contact him?

551
00:28:18.039 --> 00:28:19.839
I said, there was a way he contacted me. He

552
00:28:19.880 --> 00:28:22.200
didn't contact me by phone. We had two way radios.

553
00:28:25.599 --> 00:28:27.359
And why did you use two way radios?

554
00:28:27.920 --> 00:28:28.960
So? He said, the tracks?

555
00:28:32.599 --> 00:28:35.079
And and and so how often did you talk to

556
00:28:35.160 --> 00:28:36.200
him by two way radio?

557
00:28:36.960 --> 00:28:37.599
Not that often?

558
00:28:39.880 --> 00:28:43.279
And and you were introduced to him by Abraham? M h.

559
00:28:45.200 --> 00:28:46.400
When were you introduced to him?

560
00:28:48.839 --> 00:28:49.559
The night.

561
00:28:51.200 --> 00:28:55.039
Of that night, the night of the knight?

562
00:28:55.599 --> 00:28:58.319
Yeah, the night the night of No, I said the

563
00:28:58.440 --> 00:28:59.880
night of the night that he.

564
00:29:01.680 --> 00:29:05.039
Got shot, the night he got shot. So you would

565
00:29:05.079 --> 00:29:08.839
talk to him before, but didn't. Had you talked him

566
00:29:08.839 --> 00:29:10.039
before Abraham got shot?

567
00:29:10.440 --> 00:29:12.039
No, I'd never met it before that.

568
00:29:12.480 --> 00:29:16.079
So Abraham gets shot, you don't know it, but you

569
00:29:16.279 --> 00:29:19.240
contact he contacts you by two way radio. Did you

570
00:29:19.319 --> 00:29:20.279
have a two way radio?

571
00:29:21.160 --> 00:29:24.000
You can't. It's not like that. It's more complicated that.

572
00:29:24.160 --> 00:29:26.720
It wasn't like he just contacts me, and you know,

573
00:29:27.559 --> 00:29:29.880
this was further down. We didn't even do the two

574
00:29:29.920 --> 00:29:32.039
way radio until I found out he was dead. Like

575
00:29:32.400 --> 00:29:35.039
way back, when the police start looking for him. When

576
00:29:35.079 --> 00:29:37.319
the police start looking for him and stuff, that's when

577
00:29:37.519 --> 00:29:40.440
Ronald starts coming to me because he doesn't want people

578
00:29:40.480 --> 00:29:42.599
to find out that they had anything to do with it.

579
00:29:43.000 --> 00:29:46.279
So well, police started looking for him back in September

580
00:29:46.519 --> 00:29:49.960
or earlier before, long before he was killed, and he

581
00:29:50.039 --> 00:29:50.559
didn't tell me.

582
00:29:50.839 --> 00:29:53.359
He kept telling me he was going to come, he

583
00:29:53.480 --> 00:29:58.200
was coming to town. He kept procrastinating time. Ronald kept

584
00:29:58.240 --> 00:29:58.480
telling me.

585
00:29:58.839 --> 00:30:00.279
But I thought you didn't meet Ronald and untill the

586
00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:01.400
night that Abraham was shot.

587
00:30:01.720 --> 00:30:05.240
I know that, but afterwards. Okay, so you're talking about

588
00:30:05.240 --> 00:30:09.559
a year later. Now Abraham's not He's still missing, but

589
00:30:09.680 --> 00:30:13.480
he's as a missing person. It's in September, okay now right,

590
00:30:13.839 --> 00:30:17.240
and the cops are looking for him. Okay. I still

591
00:30:17.359 --> 00:30:21.720
think that Abraham is still alive. I believe he is

592
00:30:21.759 --> 00:30:25.720
still alive. I don't think he's dead. He is still alive.

593
00:30:25.759 --> 00:30:28.960
At this point, Ronald keeps telling me he's going to

594
00:30:29.039 --> 00:30:31.559
come back to now. I keep thinking people are seeing him.

595
00:30:31.799 --> 00:30:34.000
People keep telling me they're seeing them. A guy said

596
00:30:34.039 --> 00:30:35.799
he's seen him at the Magic Game. I didn't have

597
00:30:35.880 --> 00:30:37.799
nothing to do with that, asked the guy that said

598
00:30:37.839 --> 00:30:40.240
he's seen him at the Magic game. Judy at the

599
00:30:40.279 --> 00:30:43.880
magic or magic Yep, Judy the Higgins talk to a

600
00:30:43.960 --> 00:30:46.559
guy that said she he's seeing him at the Magic Game.

601
00:30:46.880 --> 00:30:49.960
So why is people telling us that's nothing to do

602
00:30:50.039 --> 00:30:52.160
with me. I'm not making up these stories. That has

603
00:30:52.279 --> 00:30:55.319
nothing to do with me. So ask those people why

604
00:30:55.400 --> 00:30:57.839
they made up that they've seen him when they didn't.

605
00:30:59.200 --> 00:31:02.839
How about the aide. Let's go to dab. There's age

606
00:31:02.920 --> 00:31:08.160
text Abraham. Abraham had these texts going around about him

607
00:31:08.240 --> 00:31:12.319
having aids. I didn't start that, find out trace that

608
00:31:12.680 --> 00:31:14.039
trace that cell phone.

609
00:31:13.839 --> 00:31:15.799
Because who started that conversation?

610
00:31:16.240 --> 00:31:16.559
Whoever?

611
00:31:16.720 --> 00:31:21.200
Was? I know his lawyer? Uh had said in court

612
00:31:21.319 --> 00:31:23.359
that he was going to Europe for some treatment of

613
00:31:23.400 --> 00:31:29.680
some disease. This after he is dead. Did his lawyer

614
00:31:29.799 --> 00:31:31.160
know he was dead? Was his lawyer? No?

615
00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:35.160
No, not that I know of, mister Howard Titchel, Yeah,

616
00:31:35.319 --> 00:31:38.960
not that I know of now, because I didn't even know.

617
00:31:39.839 --> 00:31:43.839
I really believed he was a lot they kept every

618
00:31:43.960 --> 00:31:45.960
time we turned around. I took his mom to a

619
00:31:46.079 --> 00:31:48.680
hospital where they said he was dying of AIDS. If

620
00:31:48.759 --> 00:31:50.160
I knew he was dead, do you think I'm going

621
00:31:50.240 --> 00:31:52.640
to be carrying his mom to a hospital to find out?

622
00:31:53.359 --> 00:31:55.640
Don't you think that I would either run having that

623
00:31:55.799 --> 00:31:59.559
kind of money, just run leave like O J subtender OJ.

624
00:31:59.759 --> 00:31:59.960
Yeah?

625
00:32:00.519 --> 00:32:02.400
What do you think? I just put the hottaeler out

626
00:32:02.440 --> 00:32:05.599
of here? Why would I stick around? I wanted to

627
00:32:05.720 --> 00:32:07.680
know what happened for him. I wanted to know if

628
00:32:07.720 --> 00:32:08.279
he was okay.

629
00:32:10.680 --> 00:32:11.920
If I wouldn't kept searching.

630
00:32:12.119 --> 00:32:14.559
They had no right to search my property. I knew

631
00:32:14.640 --> 00:32:17.319
that I could have stopped searching. You know I did

632
00:32:17.359 --> 00:32:19.559
this to myself. I knew if I just kept my

633
00:32:19.640 --> 00:32:22.039
mouth shut, I would be fine. But I wanted to

634
00:32:22.160 --> 00:32:29.200
know just right now I could keep my mouth sut that.

635
00:32:29.400 --> 00:32:36.200
I wanted to know he had the age text back

636
00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:39.440
to that. He kept getting texts. We kept getting these

637
00:32:39.519 --> 00:32:42.039
texts that he had AIDS. I went on the computer

638
00:32:42.279 --> 00:32:44.799
because Ronald told me he had AIDS and he wanted

639
00:32:44.799 --> 00:32:47.680
to go to Jamaica. I'm looking up places for him

640
00:32:47.799 --> 00:32:50.720
to go cause I hear this rumor and I'm looking

641
00:32:50.839 --> 00:32:53.039
up places. Why would I go and look up places

642
00:32:53.119 --> 00:32:56.079
and stuff? And as an alibi for when they find

643
00:32:56.119 --> 00:32:59.960
out we passed away. Are you sick he's on my property.

644
00:33:00.200 --> 00:33:02.960
There's no alibia I could think of, you know, that

645
00:33:03.000 --> 00:33:06.640
would get past the point that, hello, he's on my property.

646
00:33:07.599 --> 00:33:09.240
You know, So what about I mean you were told

647
00:33:09.240 --> 00:33:11.559
me about how how crazy it was to be to

648
00:33:11.839 --> 00:33:13.279
bury your body on your property.

649
00:33:14.160 --> 00:33:19.680
That's disgusting, It's very disgusting. It's very disturbing. If if

650
00:33:20.480 --> 00:33:23.359
people nobody deserves to be buried like a piece of

651
00:33:23.440 --> 00:33:27.279
garbay on Barry, nobody's. Abraham doesn't even deserve that. He

652
00:33:27.400 --> 00:33:30.599
deserves the stoper buried. No one deserves that.

653
00:33:33.519 --> 00:33:37.559
And and Abraham was shot by uh uh was a

654
00:33:37.640 --> 00:33:38.240
smith question?

655
00:33:39.039 --> 00:33:41.799
Yeah, I didn't feel that because you know what part

656
00:33:41.920 --> 00:33:44.640
she got? Oh that was already in the paper.

657
00:33:44.839 --> 00:33:48.039
So yeah, yeah, yeah so so. But but you didn't

658
00:33:48.079 --> 00:33:51.319
see it, you didn't hear it. We were you in

659
00:33:51.440 --> 00:33:51.839
the house.

660
00:33:53.799 --> 00:33:57.559
I'm not going to suit myself in that predicament because

661
00:33:58.000 --> 00:34:01.319
how they twist things. And and they're already gonna have

662
00:34:01.400 --> 00:34:03.240
a field day with this. People are gonna have a

663
00:34:03.440 --> 00:34:05.839
field day. They're gonna make fun of it. They're gonna

664
00:34:06.480 --> 00:34:10.000
be all judgmental, they're gonna say this is crazy, it's ludicrous.

665
00:34:10.039 --> 00:34:11.440
I don't care. It's the truth.

666
00:34:11.719 --> 00:34:11.880
You know.

667
00:34:12.039 --> 00:34:14.159
I lied to get myself in this, and maybe the

668
00:34:14.239 --> 00:34:17.119
truth this time will set me free, you know, maybe

669
00:34:17.199 --> 00:34:19.760
the truth will set me free because I lied because

670
00:34:19.800 --> 00:34:22.920
I was scared. I didn't have a choice.

671
00:34:24.519 --> 00:34:27.199
So Ronald and the other guy whose name you don't

672
00:34:27.199 --> 00:34:33.239
know are still out there, Yes, absolutely, What do you

673
00:34:33.280 --> 00:34:35.400
say to those folks who might find this a little

674
00:34:35.440 --> 00:34:39.119
bit incredulous that you know two guys who don't really

675
00:34:39.199 --> 00:34:42.280
know did this when they're like you gave five versions

676
00:34:42.320 --> 00:34:45.920
of what happened, or when each version you were in

677
00:34:46.039 --> 00:34:47.000
that room at the time.

678
00:34:48.199 --> 00:34:51.320
Because they forced me to say that because they were

679
00:34:51.400 --> 00:34:55.719
going to kill my kid, and any mother would care

680
00:34:56.159 --> 00:34:59.440
less about what she's happened to do to protect her sons.

681
00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:03.119
I'm sorry. I'm a mother that loves my friend to death.

682
00:35:03.280 --> 00:35:06.880
My son is a great kid, He's wonderful, and he

683
00:35:06.960 --> 00:35:09.639
would never ever have shot Abraham.

684
00:35:11.559 --> 00:35:14.039
Now, what about I mean, if those guys are still

685
00:35:14.079 --> 00:35:16.440
out there, are you still worried about them doing something?

686
00:35:17.000 --> 00:35:20.360
Well, my mom put it simple to me. I was worried.

687
00:35:20.400 --> 00:35:23.159
This is why I haven't talked to anybody about saying anything.

688
00:35:23.400 --> 00:35:26.239
I was going to just wait and never say anything

689
00:35:26.480 --> 00:35:29.039
because I was scared about them coming after RJ. But

690
00:35:29.199 --> 00:35:31.199
like mom says, the last thing they're going to do

691
00:35:31.360 --> 00:35:34.599
is her RJ now because it would make my story

692
00:35:34.760 --> 00:35:35.880
true and believable.

693
00:35:36.239 --> 00:35:39.079
So they're not going to hurt him because then it

694
00:35:39.119 --> 00:35:39.960
would prove.

695
00:35:39.880 --> 00:35:41.440
That I was telling the truth the whole time.

696
00:35:43.639 --> 00:35:46.920
So you think that, So you're saying that because it

697
00:35:47.280 --> 00:35:49.280
would make your story seem true. They're not going to

698
00:35:49.400 --> 00:35:52.039
hurt him now, right, So he's protected now because the

699
00:35:52.119 --> 00:35:52.800
story's out there.

700
00:35:53.239 --> 00:35:54.960
Yeah, well, mom says that.

701
00:35:55.159 --> 00:35:56.880
Mom steels he won't be hurting your mom.

702
00:35:57.239 --> 00:35:59.960
Yeah, I told them to still, you know, watch out

703
00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:00.800
for him and everything.

704
00:36:00.880 --> 00:36:03.440
But they don't know. Everybody doesn't know where he's living.

705
00:36:03.320 --> 00:36:05.599
Either, So I have more protection than that.

706
00:36:08.480 --> 00:36:10.760
People don't know his address. And I hope that you

707
00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:11.800
don't put that in the paper.

708
00:36:12.840 --> 00:36:14.880
No, no, no, he's a miner. We're not gonna do that.

709
00:36:15.320 --> 00:36:17.119
Oh yeah, you put him in the paper that he

710
00:36:17.280 --> 00:36:18.719
was a minor. But you put him in the paper

711
00:36:18.800 --> 00:36:22.320
that you said his mom said, you know, he killed somebody.

712
00:36:23.320 --> 00:36:27.400
You know, hespect is that he's a fifteen year old child.

713
00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:29.079
That is pretty sick.

714
00:36:30.159 --> 00:36:32.639
Well, when a prosecutor says shows like that open court,

715
00:36:32.719 --> 00:36:34.280
it's impossible to ignore.

716
00:36:34.800 --> 00:36:37.960
Well, the prosecutor should have went over the tapes and

717
00:36:38.159 --> 00:36:40.639
the evidence of what I said.

718
00:36:43.480 --> 00:36:49.039
So what's what else can you tell me?

719
00:36:51.239 --> 00:36:54.719
Just that if you check out Nathaniel Thomas's story, he

720
00:36:54.800 --> 00:36:57.199
will tell you that you know he did say that

721
00:36:57.320 --> 00:37:00.599
conversation with Greg Smith. So Greg Smith won't be out

722
00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:02.920
there thinking he can just get away with all this stuff.

723
00:37:04.880 --> 00:37:05.800
You know that was wrong.

724
00:37:07.400 --> 00:37:12.960
You shouldn't have done that. And I know, one day,

725
00:37:13.119 --> 00:37:15.320
even if I'm in prison five years, I don't care.

726
00:37:15.480 --> 00:37:18.119
One day this guy will be taught and I will

727
00:37:18.199 --> 00:37:21.239
be one of those two hundred and fifty nine people exonerated.

728
00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:24.960
There's two hundred and fifty nine people right now that

729
00:37:25.039 --> 00:37:26.559
have been exonerated.

730
00:37:26.000 --> 00:37:29.159
From DNA testing to proof they didn't do a crime.

731
00:37:29.960 --> 00:37:32.199
Two hundred and fifty nine people. That's one too many

732
00:37:32.280 --> 00:37:35.119
people that you have convicted. And how in death row

733
00:37:36.360 --> 00:37:37.280
wrongly accused?

734
00:37:37.920 --> 00:37:39.960
Right, you're not facing row, You're.

735
00:37:39.800 --> 00:37:42.239
Not having this, no, no, But the thing is, you've

736
00:37:42.280 --> 00:37:45.119
got my whole life. I'm sitting here, okay. The biggest

737
00:37:45.159 --> 00:37:47.840
problem I have is I'm in jail, right now. And

738
00:37:47.960 --> 00:37:50.079
they're saying I kill the person. They're not saying I

739
00:37:50.199 --> 00:37:52.079
cook him for a walk. They're saying I killed the

740
00:37:52.159 --> 00:37:58.960
purpose by myself. Okay, by myself. And I'm still mentally sane.

741
00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:03.239
You've got to be kidding me. And not only did

742
00:38:03.320 --> 00:38:07.360
I kill a person, but I took this money first.

743
00:38:07.639 --> 00:38:09.880
Why would I think it after? You know, that would

744
00:38:09.920 --> 00:38:11.920
make sense for Steet. You get to kill a person

745
00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:13.960
and take all the money. I took all the money first.

746
00:38:14.000 --> 00:38:15.159
Why would I need to kill him?

747
00:38:15.199 --> 00:38:15.320
Then?

748
00:38:15.599 --> 00:38:18.480
Like a mom said on TV, that clarifies it. He

749
00:38:18.599 --> 00:38:22.679
would give me anything I wanted, anything I wanted. He

750
00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:25.800
made that comment herself. Aber you have one.

751
00:38:25.719 --> 00:38:28.119
Minute, approximately one minute remaining.

752
00:38:28.519 --> 00:38:30.840
The last thing he needs to do is kill him.

753
00:38:30.840 --> 00:38:37.480
A hiddie. Let's let's talk again later in the afternoon.

754
00:38:37.920 --> 00:38:38.880
Okay, I will.

755
00:38:39.039 --> 00:38:40.000
Thanks. Thanks,