Sept. 28, 2025

Bad Teachers: Michaela Ford

Bad Teachers: Michaela Ford
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Season 1

In this episode of the “Bad Teachers” Series, Jim Chapman brings you into Michaela Ford's case, a New Mexico teacher accused of inappropriate conduct with a minor, spotlighting surveillance evidence and her recorded confession.

Timestamps:
12:03 Police called to the school
15:02 Arrest at home
17:05 Tensions Rise 
18:04 Interrogation 
24:07 The Teacher's Defense
46:58 Texts and Troubles
57:19 Charges Filed

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Hey everyone, and welcome back to Exposed Scandalous Files of

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the Elite. I'm your host Jim Chapman, and today i

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am bringing you another edition of Bad Teachers and we're

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going to go to New Mexico for this one. I'm

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going to tell you about a New Mexico teacher by

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the name of Mikayla Ford and MICHAELA. Ford is accused

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of some inappropriate, illegal acts with a fifteen year old boy.

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So this case specifically occurred in Estania, New Mexico, which

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is a city. It's about sixty miles outside of Albuquerque,

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New Mexico. And Mikaela Ford she worked as a substitute

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teacher in the Estania School District for both the middle

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schools and the high schools in that area. So now

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we're going to get into the relationship with this fifteen

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year old student, which really got exposed on November six

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of twenty twenty four, when the superintendent for that district

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reaches out to police saying she needed to report to

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them that a student had told the principle where Michaela

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were that she had witnessed another student in MICHAELA. Ford,

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who this student described as the sub with red hair.

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She witnessed them kissing while walking down the corridor of

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the school, actually making out. The student explained that miss

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Ford and the student who is referred to as a KA,

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that after kissing, they continued to walk down that hallway together,

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didn't even try to hide it. So this principle, here's

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this story. She can't believe it, but she is in

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luck because all of these hallway corridors in this school

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they have surveillance footage. So she asked the student around

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what time this occurred that incident the student witness which

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the student tells of the principle time it was approximately

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and it's off to go check those surveillance cameras to

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confirm that this student had told the principle. And guess what,

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everything that this student said occurred exactly how this student

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told it, all of it right there on video. You

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see right there on the surveillance footage, this thirty year

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old substitute teacher identified as MICHAELA. Ford making out in

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the hallway with a fifteen.

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Year old boy.

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So the principal sees this and she calls the student

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AKA into the office and as soon as she gets

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him in there, he gets very defensive. He didn't want

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to discuss anything with this principle. Initially, he's denying everything

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that the principal is saying, and the principle tells Ak basically, well,

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I know something inappropriate is going on because I have

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y'all kissing on surveillance video. And at this point the

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kid realizes denying this is pretty much fruitless. It's all

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on video, and he asks the principal quote, what do

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I have to do? So she and he's referring to Michayla,

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does not get in trouble. So at this point, the

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principle is like, luck, Aka, not only is this relationship

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between you and Michayla inappropriate, it's flat out illegal. Now

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at this point, Ak gets really pissed off. He gets

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up and he storms out of the office. So school

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was about to end during this time, and just before

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the school day did end, Mikayla herself gets summoned to

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the principal's office, and even before she sits down, the

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principle tells her, hey, take your school idea off in

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place it on the desk in front of you. And

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it was at this point that I would imagine Mikayla

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Ford knew she was in some serious trouble. She actually

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voices that to the principle, saying she knew she was

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in trouble but did not want her husband to quote

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find out about this. So the principal lays it out

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and Mikayla also gets pissed off. She storms out of

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the office and in a really bizarre turn of events

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that was shocking, absolutely shocking to me, really, she storms

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out of the office where the student AKA was waiting

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for her, and they actually left the school together. Can

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you believe that shit. Not only is she brazen enough

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to make out with this kid in the hallway in

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front of anyone who could see, but upon being called

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to the office and called out by the principal for

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all of this, she actually leaves the school with this kid.

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So just a few days later, Mikayla is caught back

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on the school property. Now apparently her daughter went to

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the elementary school, and apparently the elementary, middle and high

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school are all part of the same property. And get this,

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Mikayla is caught yet again on surveillance camera hugging ak

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intimately at the middle school. The video actually showed them

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talking while both were hugging each other. They were facing

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each other while doing this, and then at one point

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ak ends up behind Mikayla. She's facing the other direction.

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He's hugging her with both of his arms completely around

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her from the back all the way to the front

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of her, and there was no point where she pulled

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away from him or discouraged him from touching her in

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any way. So the principal sees her on campus, approaches

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her and tells her you're not welcome at the middle

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school or the high school areas of the property, and

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that while she's able to drop her daughter off at

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the elementary school, she had no business at the other

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two schools. And this brash chick right here, she actually

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responds by telling the principle that hugging a student is

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not illegal and that she was there to comfort the student.

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So at this point the principals had enough. She was

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going to report this anyway, I would imagine. I don't

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know why it took two days to do this, but

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she does contact police to this point, and on November

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eleventh of twenty twenty four, they follow up. They go

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to the school and they meet with the principal. And

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here's some of what that sounded like.

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I stood over here and she do you know where a.

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Time cluck is?

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No, so right outside this door, right where Leonard sits

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the time fox, right behind here.

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So I walked out and stood there while.

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She did, and it said thank you and timed her out.

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Well, boy was waiting for outside. No B came into

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the off Oh really okay, and she was like avoiding

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any eye content, no content.

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He's looking at me like and I'm going, well that

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and Leonard was.

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Sitting here and we're like there she goes, let's make

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sure she leaves. Do you think obviously she was tipped off?

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Probably right, I'm sure, And that's why she came in

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here and just threw the cards down. Assume now, yeah,

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And then she said don't tell me, are you?

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As soon as somebody like me was requiring her, I said,

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you required to come here?

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Do not passco do not?

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Yeah?

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Okay, I mean I didn't say that, but I told her,

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yeahs to come.

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Here, so she did.

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I I mean, I can assume a bunch of stuff,

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but I don't care to be cross examined by an

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attorney on feather or not I can prove that she

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was tipped.

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Off, Yeah, correct, and you said there was two videos.

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So that's what I saw.

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All I knew was at that day and I called

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doctor Simms Bath told her I'd had this and that.

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She clopped out.

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Okay, sounds good.

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That's what I knew from that was whatever, Dan, that

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was Wednesday.

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Yeah, they and they had told us that you disclosed everything,

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so that's what I need. Yeah, and then this is today.

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This is today.

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I haven't seen this, but I've been doing this other stuff.

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Okay, so we'll watch it together.

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Have you seen this? Yes?

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Do I need to fast.

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Forward or just let it round?

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I mean it's four.

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Minutes songs set there they are, that's them.

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Oh yeah.

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So we're in this office over here right now, and

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this is where they are.

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So she then shows the officers some pictures of this kid,

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and it's interesting how the officers react to sing the

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kid himself. Listen to this.

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I have a picture. Do you know what he looks like?

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Do you know I've got to picture him.

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Whenever they were doing the Halloween stuff for the yearbook,

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he was shaking Trump's hat, which was mister Levato.

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So I have that one.

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This this extent, Okay, you mightn't there should and this

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was on Halloween. Yeah, it's just to be funny because

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he worried a wedding. Mean, or it looks like some

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type of ring, not is I mean he looks like

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a man for a kid, you know what I mean. Yeah,

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he's not a small yeah.

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Oh no, he's got a full on Yeah.

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He looked like a grown dude in middle school. I

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mean not that that excusing them. No, no, it doesn't

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at all, but it you know, yeah, I know he's

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and you said he's on like one to one teaching

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or what. No, No, he's just a normal student.

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This lady was there subbing for a kid that was

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one on one is white.

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It pulled her directly with some other kids that yeah

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left alone.

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Okay, and do we know how long she was subbing here?

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I didn't hire her. They at central office would probably

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know how long she was on to have the.

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Okay, sure, her birthday and the next picture the hiding day. Yeah, okay, cool, Yeah,

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I'm all right, And they just get the sub when

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you need to sub.

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So during this interview police had in the office with

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this principle, they get some upsetting, to say the least,

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information on Ak's family background, and his situation. Apparently, this

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kid's mom had passed away several years ago, and the

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year prior to this incident, his dad passed away. The

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principal went on to say that when his dad passed away,

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his stepmom and him they didn't get along. They had

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a lot of issues. They would argue and fight all

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the time, and the principle was not even sure if

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the stepmom still had custody of ak And it's at

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this point that she shows police the surveillance footage I

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just told you about. And after speaking with the principle,

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they have enough, obviously with her statements and the surveillance

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footage to get a warrant for the arrest of Michaela Ford,

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as well as the search warrant for her phone, and

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they head out to Michayla's house to make the arrest.

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And here's what that sounded like.

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Yeah really for Michaela.

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Michaela Yeah, Hannah, come here, baby.

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Hi, can we speak with you?

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So, I'm Officer Aragon. This is my sergeant Duran here.

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We just need to speak to you. Okay, okay, who

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is this?

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This is my aunt slash mom.

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Okay, would you want our present or should go back

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and okay, we got it. You made me.

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Do you know why we're here, Michall, I think?

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So why what do you think?

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It might be something to do with a comatic school?

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Okay? Okay, yes, So before we continue, do you have

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your cell phone?

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No?

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Where is it at?

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Can you go get it for us?

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Why?

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Okay?

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So we need it. It's for the investigation. Okay, So

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if you cooperate with us. I know you made a

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comment to the principle that you don't want your husband

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to find out.

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Is that correct?

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Well, I'm going through a divorce, so yeah, no, he

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knows what's going on because I already been ready told him.

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Okay, So this will go one or two ways. Okay,

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you could cooperate and give us your cell phone, or

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I could pull the search warrant from behind my back

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and we're going to go in and get it.

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Okay.

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So we're in a search level of house. We don't

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we don't want to have to do that, but we're

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able to.

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And I could provide the search warrants for every cell phone,

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so I will take every cell phone in the house.

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Okay.

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So can I ask why you're hoping to take my

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cell phone? Because it's the way I can get in

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contact with my husband and the court.

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It's for the investigation of your your relationship with the student. Okay,

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well the relationship with I don't want it, Okay, I

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don't want to hear that right now.

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Okay, but that's what I'm telling you.

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What the warrants for us. I need your cell phone

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or we're going to go in and get it.

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So here's a search warrant. Like I said, you get

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a copy.

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Okay.

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So here's the other thing. Is it password protected?

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So you could give us the password so we could

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go through do our investigation, or we're gonna take it

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to the FBI building and get it dumped. Either way,

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so we're gonna go through it. It's if you want

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to cooperate, try and get it back quicker.

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I can unlock it really quick. If you don't, you

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don't wine.

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Which in fact, we're just looking to make sure nothing's

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being deleted.

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Okay, okay, do you want.

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To do it here ie mode look, and I'm going.

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To I was just gonna take the task really quick.

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Can you just give us the pass code?

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I can just unlock keep it unlocked.

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Okay.

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So at this point we have to preserve any evidence

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anything we're looking for in our investigation.

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Okay, can watch me do it. I promise I won't

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delete anything. I will do it from the screen march.

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All right, Mikaela. So before you say anything else, Okay,

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I'm gonna be transparent with you. We have a warrant

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for your rest, Okay, for it's contributing to the delinquency

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of a minor. Okay, we got you on video, you

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guys kissing being intimate.

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So I'm gonna need you to stand up.

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Okayan, can't done from either.

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Yeah, this is going to go No, no, no, come here.

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I need you to put yours find your back now.

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Of course, when this stuff happens and other family is

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at your house, they want to buck up to police.

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Even though obviously Michayla isn't the wrong here, they don't

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want to accept that. And it didn't go too well

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when these family members tried to buck up to police.

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At one point when they were going to arrest Mikayla,

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they realized she didn't have her shoes on it and

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it's cold. This is wintertime, it's freezing outside, and the

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police were nice enough to say, hey, you want us

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to go get your shoes. She said yes, and they

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get a step in the residence and grab Mikayla some

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shoes and here's what happened.

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One more time.

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I'm sure warned, get.

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Them back or I will arrest them. Get out of

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my we.

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Have sex.

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One.

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I'm not stopping.

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Yes, you were in my face.

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I was at my door and I never left my door.

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And I didn't even open your door. I'm trying to

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ask you to get her shoes, and you're acting like

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a fool. We're trying to get her shoes and do

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this calm, but why are you escalating this?

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What did I am mail?

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Did I show you? We had a story warrant? You

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grab her shoes. We have a search warrant.

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You want to.

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Intimid Dady, not intimidating anything female. So you were not

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when you stepped up to my sergeant. He knows me,

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don't even want I don't even know you.

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I'm old, I'm on oxygen.

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IM.

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We just need some shoes for her. That's what we're

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trying to do. My arm. You've already are you try

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to do if we stand, we've already tried to break mynd. Okay,

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we'll just hang out there. Then we're gonna be out

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of here in a sexy He also native like, why

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would I do that? Because you're being.

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There is involved in the City's a female right there?

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There wasn't right now, I'm right here.

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Oh hello, miss Stephanie. How have you been?

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How are you? Oh?

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Not very happy right now considering this idiot opened up

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my door without author's Actually.

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I'm down presiding to me with a plus a two

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of me. He knocked on the door, wrong body cam

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and he opened the door.

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If you want to see that, there.

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Is two officers that have attacked an elderly gentleman under

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your control right.

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Now, right okay, so fellow, right now, go ahead.

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Probably following charge against the whole city down two officers.

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Personally, we're gonna be out here if you need anything, charging.

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Them with the soul, okay, and I will expect you

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to arrest him and that little right over there. So finally,

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after all of this, Miss Ford, she gets landed in

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the police cars. She gets brought to the station for

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more questioning than to be booked, and it was during

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seg questioning that Miss Ford gives her side of this story.

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Listen to this collip.

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We're notified last week of what was caught on the camera.

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I don't know.

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I know the principal try talking to you guys. From

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what she said, obviously I wasn't there, right, so this

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is your chance to talk. See what's going on. But

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it was about the kiss that you guys had in

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the corridor in the middle school.

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Okay.

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So with that being said, you know, we have the

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warrant for you arrest for you know, contributing to the

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delinquency of a minor and being fifteen.

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Okay.

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With that being said, I'm just gonna ask you some questions,

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right tigure out what's going on, how you guys met

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everything in between.

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With your miranda being read.

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At any point you want to stop talking, that's your

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right to do so, okay, as long as you're aware

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of that.

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Okay.

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So, was it like, was that like a good time

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of day for him to like men to you?

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Was lunch?

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Is that when you guys would like meet and talk.

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And stuff and talk at lunch?

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And if I was at the high school, he would

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come and see me with a bunch of kids in

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the class because I would always sit in the classroom

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whomever I was something for just because I don't really

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have a car.

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I don't I walked on from.

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Places, so I'm like, there's no way are we to

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do anything?

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Yeah, And so I just sit in the classroom and

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I would you know, just be on my chane and

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talk to my husband when I could, okay? And or

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would he come and talk to me, like I said,

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he did it with a bunch of kids in the class,

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not ever alone. Would I always make sure it was

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in a public area?

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I could just say that way there was any questions

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okay about me dating a scenent which I am not

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to me.

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I think he had like one friend that I don't

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think here.

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He talks too. Oh yeah, Is that what kind of

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gravitated you towards him on wanting to help him out?

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Yes, in a sense, because I again I was like

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that as a kid, just because I knew.

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That being one read doesn't always help and having me

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to talk to does. Okay, I think that's.

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What like, besides, you know, him being the only kid

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in the classroom at the time, just because of everything,

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the door was open, Thank gosh for that.

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Because I it was really really weird.

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Was that because it was.

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Advisory and weird about it. All the other kids got

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to go to the gym I meet because that's great,

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And it was just really weird because I was the

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only person other than him was that was in the classroom.

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There was somebody else strange.

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Kind of was like why I kind of wanted to

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talk to him, like just to see if like he

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was okay, if his family grace was because of like

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what was going on was personal life, and like I said,

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it was really one thing she talked about.

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Okay, you were aware obviously, like both his guns had

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passed away.

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Right, Yeah, yeah, I did know that because he didn't

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say that is recently and dad just stuck or I've

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just died. Good class, I've I've been on the limp.

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My dad just passed to me last year took.

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Do you think that's where you two got a pretty

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deep No, because I an emotional connection.

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Was because you guys both have.

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Experienced loss or it could what what do you think?

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So let me ask this And I'm not trying to

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say you're wrong to whatever reason, because that's not what.

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Drew you to him. What what made you I'm not.

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Having a whole lot of people to and.

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You felt like you were taking on, like like talking

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to him. What kind of role would you say you

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felt like you were trying to or you were helping him?

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Was it like a sister role? Was it a mother role?

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Was it more like that grandfriend.

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Roll, your sisterly roll just because Mom's just that's a

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lottle weird, especially since I didn't know how he felt

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about his own parents or his step parents or.

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His adopted pancil with my firs they are at this point, okay.

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So I was just trying to be more of a sushrie.

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You normally call him like my adopted brother, just because

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I didn't want people to think who were deemed the

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big work because he did.

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Talk to me a lot.

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So would you tell other people that you guys were.

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Adopted adopted just that way it wasn't like super weird

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and that he was more like my brother.

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And I explained that to the principle to it like

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I only see him as a brother. Okay, anything cool.

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So when you said that day you went, you realize

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that you didn't want to work for the schools anymore

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because you're divorce.

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It was mostly from my divorce because during like the

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mid portion of the day, the morning, such the mid

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portion of the day, I just kept like thinking back

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to that I wasn't really there. I was more deal

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with my own stuff and what it will effect with

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a kid and stuck like that, and so my mindset

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wasn't already on the kids, and for me, that's not okay.

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The kids should come first in that situation.

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So what was the conversation between you and the principle then?

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So I told the principles that I understood what she

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was what she was talking about, and I was like,

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it was not supposed to happen. When he did it,

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I was just really like taken by surprise because he's

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never expressed how he felt about me in that way,

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and I could put boundaries in place and that it

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was never supposed to happen, and that I was sleeping.

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I was not comfortable and I didn't want it to

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happen again. I didn't want to be dragged to jail

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and stuff like that. And I told her that it

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was mostly because I was not in the right mindset

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because I was dealing with my divorce.

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And she then she called the sette to see if

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she could take my badge, my badges badges.

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And I could co walk up and the day.

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You she stated that you made a comment that you

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didn't want your husband to find out or please don't

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tell my husband.

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I said that because I was gonna go tell him.

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I tell my husband everything.

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Ye okay.

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I just didn't want her to call my husband and

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you know, surprise and with all the information.

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Okay, just because my husband is, you know, more protective.

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Of me than you should probably be sometimes and I

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didn't want him to go do something you would.

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Regret later, like going after this kid.

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Yeah, he was already. My husband's not in the right

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mind sot. That's it is.

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So so your husband is aware, Yes, he is.

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Aware that it had happened, and then it wasn't supposed to.

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He knew that I was talking to him when I

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first started it, even tutoring him. I had tutored him

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a couple of days one week because he was struggling

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with so at the math, and I told I told

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my husband about him. He knew, and I would come

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home at a specific time.

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I always gave a specific time, but when it be

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all our approximately would I'll be on because of the drive.

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I don't normally drive by myself because I'm not licensed.

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00:25:14.839 --> 00:25:18.079
Okay, So it's always a little Where would you tutor him.

488
00:25:18.000 --> 00:25:19.839
At his house when his parents was homes?

489
00:25:19.960 --> 00:25:22.799
Okay, I should have been home, so at his house?

490
00:25:22.880 --> 00:25:24.319
Yeah?

491
00:25:24.440 --> 00:25:26.279
And how often was that when you were helping him

492
00:25:26.279 --> 00:25:29.799
out with the school? It was only like twice twice total,

493
00:25:29.920 --> 00:25:31.039
or like twice a week.

494
00:25:30.880 --> 00:25:33.880
Or okay, like it was only two times. And after that,

495
00:25:33.960 --> 00:25:34.599
I wasn't.

496
00:25:34.359 --> 00:25:35.519
Really comfortable doing it.

497
00:25:37.680 --> 00:25:38.960
And why was that? Just?

498
00:25:39.480 --> 00:25:42.519
I don't feel comfortable in other people's houses to begin with.

499
00:25:42.599 --> 00:25:43.599
I'm not a people person.

500
00:25:43.799 --> 00:25:45.119
I don't like a whole lot of people.

501
00:25:45.160 --> 00:25:47.599
I try to stick to myself. So it's a little weird.

502
00:25:47.839 --> 00:25:51.640
Okay. Now, at this point, the detective, he's working his

503
00:25:51.839 --> 00:25:57.319
side of the interrogation perfectly. He is asking his questions

504
00:25:57.319 --> 00:26:00.440
in a very calm manner. He's being very care careful

505
00:26:00.920 --> 00:26:04.759
not to intimidate Mikayla. He's trying to act like he

506
00:26:04.759 --> 00:26:07.400
can relate to her and hey, I've heard it all

507
00:26:07.440 --> 00:26:09.960
and all this sort of stuff. And it's at this

508
00:26:10.119 --> 00:26:14.319
point that he asked her about making out in that hallway,

509
00:26:15.200 --> 00:26:17.039
and here's what she had to say.

510
00:26:17.440 --> 00:26:18.680
The kiss didn't concern you.

511
00:26:19.039 --> 00:26:22.079
There was more of of why I wanted to know

512
00:26:22.119 --> 00:26:24.839
why he did it, but I didn't want to ask

513
00:26:24.920 --> 00:26:25.559
him directly.

514
00:26:26.359 --> 00:26:28.680
I don't think I will ever I know why, which

515
00:26:28.720 --> 00:26:29.160
is fine.

516
00:26:29.680 --> 00:26:31.839
Do you think you put yourself in a spot that

517
00:26:32.000 --> 00:26:33.039
welcome to kiss?

518
00:26:33.240 --> 00:26:37.359
I probably did just by being kind and trying to

519
00:26:37.440 --> 00:26:38.480
help somebody if he.

520
00:26:38.960 --> 00:26:39.920
Really needs it on it.

521
00:26:40.039 --> 00:26:40.319
Yeah.

522
00:26:40.759 --> 00:26:40.920
Yeah.

523
00:26:41.039 --> 00:26:43.720
I don't think nobody's questioning that he needs help, right.

524
00:26:43.960 --> 00:26:46.880
I think could all agree that he needs help, for sure.

525
00:26:46.960 --> 00:26:49.319
I just was trying to be that person to be there.

526
00:26:49.359 --> 00:26:51.519
But like I told, like I told him when I

527
00:26:51.559 --> 00:26:54.720
first heard this, that if he talked about hurting himself,

528
00:26:54.839 --> 00:26:58.119
hurting somebody else, or him being in danger, I would

529
00:26:58.160 --> 00:27:00.960
say something. But anything else he said to me was

530
00:27:01.079 --> 00:27:04.400
really confidential. Again, it was mostly just about his.

531
00:27:06.680 --> 00:27:10.000
Michael and how his homework was doing.

532
00:27:10.079 --> 00:27:11.759
And I always make sure that he was okay with

533
00:27:11.839 --> 00:27:14.440
his homework, just because I am the stuff.

534
00:27:14.480 --> 00:27:17.000
I do like to make sure that then cheams don't fail.

535
00:27:17.359 --> 00:27:20.000
Okay, I would do it for any kid almost it

536
00:27:20.000 --> 00:27:22.440
would suggest I would have done it any kid.

537
00:27:22.880 --> 00:27:28.480
When you when you first started talking, did you know

538
00:27:28.519 --> 00:27:29.200
how old he was?

539
00:27:29.480 --> 00:27:29.799
Yes?

540
00:27:30.119 --> 00:27:32.960
Okay, I kind of figured when he was a tenth grader.

541
00:27:33.279 --> 00:27:34.880
If you're about fifteen, tish.

542
00:27:36.839 --> 00:27:38.839
Okay, so you knew he was in tenth grade.

543
00:27:38.960 --> 00:27:45.880
Yeah.

544
00:27:46.240 --> 00:27:46.440
Good.

545
00:27:47.319 --> 00:27:49.640
So then the next morning you went over. That's when

546
00:27:49.640 --> 00:27:51.119
you were hugging him at the middle school.

547
00:27:51.640 --> 00:27:54.440
Yes, yes, I like him giving me a hug and

548
00:27:54.440 --> 00:27:56.079
a tould him that I would never talk to him again.

549
00:27:56.160 --> 00:27:57.559
This was the last time need to ever see me

550
00:27:58.720 --> 00:28:01.559
or speak with me at this point, because I didn't

551
00:28:01.559 --> 00:28:01.920
not what.

552
00:28:03.599 --> 00:28:04.160
The situation.

553
00:28:04.400 --> 00:28:08.519
Okay, so at this point it appears to be a

554
00:28:08.559 --> 00:28:13.039
surprise kiss, at least that's what Mikayla was trying to

555
00:28:13.160 --> 00:28:16.279
lead police to believe. Hey, I'm standing in the hallway

556
00:28:16.279 --> 00:28:20.680
and he just basically jumps me and plants one right

557
00:28:20.720 --> 00:28:26.160
on my lips. That is until the subject switched to

558
00:28:26.200 --> 00:28:30.319
her cell phone. And what police may find when they

559
00:28:30.440 --> 00:28:34.119
search that cell phone listen.

560
00:28:33.839 --> 00:28:36.319
To this any inappropriate pictures?

561
00:28:36.480 --> 00:28:36.680
Yeah?

562
00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:38.519
Were there any sense?

563
00:28:39.000 --> 00:28:40.400
Because you know we can retrieve all.

564
00:28:40.319 --> 00:28:47.200
That, right, So I think I might have said what

565
00:28:47.359 --> 00:28:50.039
that wasn't appropriate, but it wasn't meant for him. I

566
00:28:50.079 --> 00:28:53.839
did delete it afterwards, just because I didn't need anything

567
00:28:54.240 --> 00:28:57.160
strange for him. It was not met friend. It's meant

568
00:28:57.160 --> 00:28:57.759
for my husband.

569
00:28:58.039 --> 00:29:01.079
But I think that might be don't, okay.

570
00:29:00.880 --> 00:29:03.400
And was any return from him, not that.

571
00:29:03.359 --> 00:29:06.519
I'm aware of. Again, I didn't. I didn't notice, just

572
00:29:06.559 --> 00:29:08.519
because I don't keep talking for everything.

573
00:29:08.960 --> 00:29:09.759
Okay, So.

574
00:29:12.279 --> 00:29:14.599
You know this is my first day lawforceer right day.

575
00:29:15.359 --> 00:29:17.200
That's what I'm just saying. I don't know if there

576
00:29:17.279 --> 00:29:18.119
was any that.

577
00:29:18.279 --> 00:29:21.319
Was always open, that's fine.

578
00:29:21.359 --> 00:29:23.640
What was the picture that was accidentally sent to just

579
00:29:23.759 --> 00:29:31.200
me without my shirt? Okay, so nipples exposed? Quote any

580
00:29:31.240 --> 00:29:34.400
of your vagina but nothing like that, okay, And.

581
00:29:34.400 --> 00:29:36.400
Like I said, it was just mys it was set

582
00:29:36.519 --> 00:29:37.839
just accidentally.

583
00:29:37.400 --> 00:29:40.359
Sexual and and you're not aware of he sent you

584
00:29:40.440 --> 00:29:43.599
any of his genitalia and anything like that. Did you

585
00:29:43.640 --> 00:29:47.759
guys ever have intimate messages like sext and things.

586
00:29:47.519 --> 00:29:50.279
Like that I'm aware of, Okay.

587
00:29:52.079 --> 00:29:53.519
Not that you're aware. So there may.

588
00:29:53.440 --> 00:29:55.720
Be there might he might have set up something. But

589
00:29:55.759 --> 00:29:59.880
again I don't answer love the messages work focused with

590
00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:03.519
my husband and everything, So I could just be totally wrong.

591
00:30:03.640 --> 00:30:06.599
He could have I put have said something else to

592
00:30:06.680 --> 00:30:11.000
him that could have been mistakend as sex, sexty.

593
00:30:10.640 --> 00:30:11.279
And things like that.

594
00:30:11.319 --> 00:30:12.519
I'm not an author reasonship.

595
00:30:12.559 --> 00:30:15.799
I'm gonna be completely okay, So none that you remember

596
00:30:15.880 --> 00:30:17.920
that he was like, hey, let's go have sex, or

597
00:30:20.440 --> 00:30:23.720
your breasts look good, anything like the decompliment or say

598
00:30:23.720 --> 00:30:24.839
anything when you sent it to him.

599
00:30:25.519 --> 00:30:27.480
I don't think he did. I'm again, I'm not a

600
00:30:27.519 --> 00:30:28.079
honey percept.

601
00:30:28.359 --> 00:30:32.839
I could be Okay, is there anything on the phone.

602
00:30:32.559 --> 00:30:34.839
That may Probably a lot.

603
00:30:34.880 --> 00:30:36.960
I'm gonna be honest, probably a lot, because I don't

604
00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:39.079
remember what I've sense talk.

605
00:30:39.039 --> 00:30:42.000
To a lot of people. So and here's why I

606
00:30:42.079 --> 00:30:44.799
need you to be honest, right, because like I said this,

607
00:30:44.880 --> 00:30:47.960
I could differ or differentry to say, Okay, I'm going

608
00:30:47.960 --> 00:30:50.160
to go through your instagram. None of them were meant

609
00:30:50.200 --> 00:30:51.720
for him, right, so I can roll that out.

610
00:30:51.759 --> 00:30:54.279
I saw what I did see.

611
00:30:54.119 --> 00:30:59.519
Because if there's a picture of saying you're dudes, right,

612
00:30:59.640 --> 00:31:01.359
it's just use that for an example. Because you said

613
00:31:01.359 --> 00:31:05.400
maybe it was from your husband. Yeah, I haven't known

614
00:31:05.480 --> 00:31:08.279
that much. If he was to message you back and

615
00:31:08.319 --> 00:31:10.119
be like, oh well tutoring it was fun. I can't

616
00:31:10.160 --> 00:31:11.200
wait to see them again.

617
00:31:11.640 --> 00:31:12.519
Do you see how that looks?

618
00:31:13.039 --> 00:31:14.680
Okay? I said, I don't remember.

619
00:31:14.440 --> 00:31:20.119
And that's okay, And you know that's evidence, right, Okay,

620
00:31:20.160 --> 00:31:25.480
So that's right if you're honest with that, right, you

621
00:31:25.519 --> 00:31:27.440
see how good that looks compared to us having to

622
00:31:27.480 --> 00:31:29.440
go out that way, and that's what we're going to use.

623
00:31:29.680 --> 00:31:33.240
Yeah, Okay, Like I said, I don't remember commented on

624
00:31:33.279 --> 00:31:36.000
it or anything like that. Again, it was not meant

625
00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:37.759
for him, and I know I sent it through messages,

626
00:31:37.799 --> 00:31:42.440
but I don't remember it and I commented or anything

627
00:31:42.480 --> 00:31:44.599
because I kind of just like stopped. You have my

628
00:31:44.599 --> 00:31:46.440
phone at that point, and if I did, it was later.

629
00:31:50.160 --> 00:31:52.400
And I feel like, you know, I think you kind

630
00:31:52.400 --> 00:31:54.960
of I wouldn't say maybe necessarily trust me, but I

631
00:31:55.000 --> 00:31:57.160
think you know I'm treating you with respect, right, And

632
00:31:57.200 --> 00:31:58.319
I'm sure I'm just.

633
00:31:58.240 --> 00:32:00.759
Trying to be as honest as I completely beat Again,

634
00:32:00.799 --> 00:32:04.559
I don't remember all I've said to him through messages

635
00:32:04.640 --> 00:32:05.319
and what.

636
00:32:05.440 --> 00:32:07.480
All we've talked about. I'm even to be completely honest.

637
00:32:07.480 --> 00:32:08.200
I could a black hair.

638
00:32:08.400 --> 00:32:11.920
Okay, did you guys have a sexual relationship?

639
00:32:12.319 --> 00:32:14.759
Again, I'm not that I'm aware of. I have not

640
00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:16.480
had any sexss home.

641
00:32:16.599 --> 00:32:19.240
I get I could have that message him doing the

642
00:32:19.319 --> 00:32:22.119
other thing that we were talking about, but I get it.

643
00:32:22.720 --> 00:32:28.200
Wasn't because I was Okay, have you has he mistakenly

644
00:32:28.359 --> 00:32:30.200
or have you mistakenly seen his penis?

645
00:32:30.599 --> 00:32:32.720
No, not that I'm aware of. Okay, So I'm gonna

646
00:32:32.720 --> 00:32:34.720
be honest with that. I've got aware of. Okay, and

647
00:32:34.759 --> 00:32:36.759
if he did, it's a piece with that. It wouldn't

648
00:32:37.240 --> 00:32:38.079
I wouldn't.

649
00:32:37.759 --> 00:32:38.599
Have so.

650
00:32:40.640 --> 00:32:43.160
Okay, So then let me say this one more time

651
00:32:44.839 --> 00:32:46.640
and I'm gonna give you one more opportunity and then

652
00:32:46.640 --> 00:32:47.279
we'll stop there.

653
00:32:47.319 --> 00:32:49.160
Okay, We're gonna.

654
00:32:48.880 --> 00:32:54.559
Get his phone, okay, so everything you know, we're gonna

655
00:32:54.559 --> 00:32:56.319
have everything on your phone. We're gonna have everything on

656
00:32:56.319 --> 00:32:57.480
his phone.

657
00:32:57.519 --> 00:32:57.759
Okay.

658
00:32:58.240 --> 00:33:00.160
Like I said, I'm gonna be a completely on who

659
00:33:00.160 --> 00:33:02.640
got little about what I'm all let's say, and I'm going.

660
00:33:02.640 --> 00:33:03.319
To be complete on it.

661
00:33:03.519 --> 00:33:06.000
You're gonna what sorry, being completely honest, I don't remember

662
00:33:06.000 --> 00:33:08.119
what I said tim or said there or I need

663
00:33:08.079 --> 00:33:11.079
to get that just because I have all.

664
00:33:11.000 --> 00:33:11.680
Here, kol.

665
00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:14.640
Did you ever feel like you needed to have sex

666
00:33:14.680 --> 00:33:18.400
with him? No, he never co worded you or threatened

667
00:33:18.480 --> 00:33:19.319
you that if you didn't.

668
00:33:19.359 --> 00:33:21.119
Because I know how big he looks like a man.

669
00:33:21.400 --> 00:33:24.279
Right, let's be honest for me fifteen he looks like

670
00:33:24.279 --> 00:33:25.079
he's in his twenties.

671
00:33:25.160 --> 00:33:25.359
Yeah.

672
00:33:25.960 --> 00:33:28.720
Yeah, me and my husband, you know, we might be

673
00:33:28.799 --> 00:33:31.319
you know, having a divorce and.

674
00:33:31.599 --> 00:33:32.480
Going through our own thing.

675
00:33:32.559 --> 00:33:35.359
But it would never have problem for that, Okay.

676
00:33:35.559 --> 00:33:38.400
And again, like I said, I don't remember because again

677
00:33:38.440 --> 00:33:39.720
I have not been midtally here.

678
00:33:39.960 --> 00:33:44.160
Okay, if what would you say? Because I want to

679
00:33:44.200 --> 00:33:47.440
give when I look through it, I want to be

680
00:33:47.480 --> 00:33:49.839
able to tell the DA that she told me this, right,

681
00:33:50.200 --> 00:33:52.359
not that I had to go looking for it and

682
00:33:52.400 --> 00:33:53.200
this is what I found.

683
00:33:53.240 --> 00:33:53.400
Right.

684
00:33:54.359 --> 00:33:56.119
What do you think would be the worst thing I'm

685
00:33:56.119 --> 00:33:56.960
going to find.

686
00:33:56.680 --> 00:34:04.960
On probably besides the story, the and the picture of course, probably.

687
00:34:04.519 --> 00:34:07.880
Something that Again, but I could have said it.

688
00:34:08.960 --> 00:34:11.440
Like describing how I would like have sex with my

689
00:34:11.519 --> 00:34:14.280
husband basically allay.

690
00:34:14.360 --> 00:34:16.719
But again I'm again I'm not sure what I said.

691
00:34:17.000 --> 00:34:19.159
Okay, so you're just telling him how you have sex

692
00:34:19.199 --> 00:34:21.559
with your husband, not necessarily how you have sex with him.

693
00:34:21.599 --> 00:34:24.440
Yeah, And it could just be like me just saying it,

694
00:34:24.599 --> 00:34:27.159
like if I was saying it's my husband and since

695
00:34:27.159 --> 00:34:29.880
about like Michigan eating so or things like that, So

696
00:34:30.079 --> 00:34:31.760
it could have been taken wrong, Okay.

697
00:34:31.800 --> 00:34:36.280
And what was the reasoning for that, just trying to

698
00:34:36.360 --> 00:34:38.599
like tell him this is how sex works or he like,

699
00:34:38.639 --> 00:34:39.519
did you know just.

700
00:34:40.039 --> 00:34:44.320
I was was trying to sit talk to my husband

701
00:34:44.400 --> 00:34:47.480
And again I could have just mistake said.

702
00:34:47.239 --> 00:34:48.360
It to him, not me too.

703
00:34:48.480 --> 00:34:52.239
And I'm mentally not care well. And that's what I'm saying, right,

704
00:34:52.400 --> 00:34:54.239
I'm not saying a grant word. I'm trying to just

705
00:34:54.280 --> 00:34:56.800
get because when I have to, I can, you know,

706
00:34:56.880 --> 00:34:59.440
fill out this report? Yeah, like I would like to say,

707
00:35:00.480 --> 00:35:03.960
you know, Mikayla set the message saying that you know,

708
00:35:05.000 --> 00:35:05.760
I like to.

709
00:35:05.599 --> 00:35:09.239
Do you or or whatever.

710
00:35:09.440 --> 00:35:12.480
But then I want to put but she was talking

711
00:35:12.519 --> 00:35:14.519
about doing this with her. Does that make sense?

712
00:35:14.599 --> 00:35:14.760
Yeah?

713
00:35:15.079 --> 00:35:16.960
That's why I don't know all I've said, and most

714
00:35:17.000 --> 00:35:20.000
of it should have been for my husband at that time.

715
00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:21.800
It should not have been meant for him.

716
00:35:21.960 --> 00:35:22.480
Things like that.

717
00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:24.840
I just don't remember what I've said. He gave you

718
00:35:24.880 --> 00:35:28.239
a completely honest answer to that question.

719
00:35:28.119 --> 00:35:31.079
And that's fine, right, And I just wanted to give

720
00:35:31.079 --> 00:35:34.360
you that chance to talk about that because you know,

721
00:35:34.440 --> 00:35:36.480
after this point, when I go through the phone, it's

722
00:35:36.480 --> 00:35:37.400
just whatever I find.

723
00:35:37.599 --> 00:35:38.400
Does that make sense?

724
00:35:38.480 --> 00:35:38.679
Yeah?

725
00:35:38.760 --> 00:35:40.440
So, like I said, I thought, I've got to be

726
00:35:40.440 --> 00:35:42.280
completely honest with you. I do not know what I

727
00:35:42.320 --> 00:35:42.840
have said to.

728
00:35:43.280 --> 00:35:48.079
Would there be any reason that said you guys physically connected?

729
00:35:48.840 --> 00:35:51.760
There shouldn't be put again, I don't know how he feels.

730
00:35:52.000 --> 00:35:57.280
Okay, so physically like you guys masturbayed together, you guys

731
00:35:57.360 --> 00:36:00.519
kiss some more, you guys, you know, there should not

732
00:36:00.679 --> 00:36:05.119
be But again, why would it if he was to

733
00:36:05.159 --> 00:36:08.400
say that, why would he say that fantasy?

734
00:36:08.840 --> 00:36:10.719
To be honest, he could have just wanted me and

735
00:36:10.760 --> 00:36:14.719
without telling me and made it up. I'm gonna be

736
00:36:14.719 --> 00:36:15.559
ounce okay.

737
00:36:15.719 --> 00:36:18.679
And if he says and if he discloses something to say,

738
00:36:18.679 --> 00:36:21.840
oh yeah, we had sex doing tutoring, right, No, no, no, no,

739
00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:24.480
what you're saying, and then there's a message that somewhat

740
00:36:24.559 --> 00:36:25.840
validates that, right.

741
00:36:27.239 --> 00:36:28.159
Do you see how that looks?

742
00:36:28.280 --> 00:36:31.239
Yeah? And like I said, there shouldn't be any of that. Again,

743
00:36:31.360 --> 00:36:31.920
I've got.

744
00:36:31.840 --> 00:36:33.159
Sure what he has to tell you.

745
00:36:33.519 --> 00:36:36.519
All right, I'm okay. You said there shouldn't be shit, Okay,

746
00:36:36.639 --> 00:36:37.840
there either is or there is.

747
00:36:38.079 --> 00:36:40.039
Well, again, like I said, I don't remember a whole

748
00:36:40.039 --> 00:36:42.000
lot that was going on to this tie fling.

749
00:36:42.280 --> 00:36:45.280
I just metically not been there and which is why

750
00:36:45.320 --> 00:36:46.000
I send them by.

751
00:36:46.920 --> 00:36:49.239
And could there okay, and then we could use that

752
00:36:49.320 --> 00:36:52.760
as well. But could there have been a physical interaction

753
00:36:52.840 --> 00:36:55.000
that you just don't remember because of all this stuff

754
00:36:55.039 --> 00:36:55.639
you're going through?

755
00:36:55.920 --> 00:36:58.880
Could be, I would say not.

756
00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:02.519
And if you can't remember anything, what would be the

757
00:37:02.559 --> 00:37:05.400
physical interaction that you would be.

758
00:37:05.320 --> 00:37:09.239
Touching, touching, touching baby in his hand, or.

759
00:37:09.639 --> 00:37:11.480
Touching like a shoulder or something.

760
00:37:11.679 --> 00:37:14.239
What else that's about it that I can think of? Again,

761
00:37:14.280 --> 00:37:15.119
I'm thought sure.

762
00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:17.360
I'm want to be honest, I'm not sure because mentley

763
00:37:17.519 --> 00:37:19.159
have not been here. I'm going to be comfty.

764
00:37:19.440 --> 00:37:21.199
So is there a chance that he could say, you

765
00:37:21.280 --> 00:37:24.159
guys had sex and you just don't remember having it?

766
00:37:25.039 --> 00:37:26.440
No, No, I would remember.

767
00:37:26.480 --> 00:37:29.760
If AD's actually then okay. And what about seeing each

768
00:37:29.800 --> 00:37:32.159
other's private parts? I guess is there a.

769
00:37:32.159 --> 00:37:34.840
Chance there could have been a chance that he saw

770
00:37:35.280 --> 00:37:38.559
or he set me something, but I would not. Okay,

771
00:37:39.079 --> 00:37:39.800
these eyes.

772
00:37:39.800 --> 00:37:41.039
And I could be honest it was yours?

773
00:37:41.280 --> 00:37:43.519
Yeah, yeah, you've been forthcoming.

774
00:37:43.039 --> 00:37:44.159
With that and said I know.

775
00:37:44.199 --> 00:37:46.280
There's a couple of them that they won me from

776
00:37:46.320 --> 00:37:48.239
my husband that were just set to the living.

777
00:37:48.280 --> 00:37:49.320
One person again, my husband.

778
00:37:49.360 --> 00:37:51.559
So all of them were meant for your husband.

779
00:37:51.639 --> 00:37:54.119
Yeah, they should have builded good too, should have had

780
00:37:54.159 --> 00:37:56.360
on sofa with her.

781
00:37:56.480 --> 00:38:00.320
So only two maybe, but they were meant for your husband. Yes,

782
00:38:01.079 --> 00:38:05.320
and that was through just the text message. Yeah, four photos,

783
00:38:06.199 --> 00:38:07.840
would it still be in your photos?

784
00:38:08.239 --> 00:38:09.960
One of them might have been, but the other one

785
00:38:09.960 --> 00:38:14.400
shook me. Could I delete my photos pretty regularly because

786
00:38:14.440 --> 00:38:15.239
I need to keep the room.

787
00:38:15.440 --> 00:38:20.239
See, like, if there was an intimate physical relationship, we

788
00:38:20.320 --> 00:38:22.920
need to discuss that with you, we need to discuss

789
00:38:22.960 --> 00:38:25.360
it with him. We need to figure out was that

790
00:38:25.440 --> 00:38:27.360
consensual between both of you guys?

791
00:38:27.719 --> 00:38:27.840
Right?

792
00:38:27.920 --> 00:38:28.719
Does that make sense?

793
00:38:29.320 --> 00:38:31.960
Because that changes a lot of stuff, right, But that's

794
00:38:32.000 --> 00:38:34.519
why we need to know this stuff. If not, we

795
00:38:34.599 --> 00:38:36.880
go off of what the evidence on the phone shows us.

796
00:38:37.880 --> 00:38:40.920
And like I said, you've been forthcoming.

797
00:38:40.920 --> 00:38:44.679
Probably was consensual on some of the stuff. But again,

798
00:38:44.800 --> 00:38:47.239
I mean we haven't really neless.

799
00:38:46.800 --> 00:38:50.119
Every care and what would that Resisions aren't probably the

800
00:38:50.159 --> 00:38:51.519
right line, that's.

801
00:38:51.280 --> 00:38:53.880
Fine, And what would that be consensual of what?

802
00:38:54.559 --> 00:38:57.480
Maybe the sex ty okay, the sex.

803
00:38:57.360 --> 00:39:03.079
Thing at least that hard because again I know, kids, Mikila.

804
00:39:02.760 --> 00:39:05.559
I'm not here to judge you one day, okay, So.

805
00:39:05.119 --> 00:39:08.840
So I'm gonna say that and just like touching his

806
00:39:08.880 --> 00:39:10.920
shoulder maybe, And that's that's why.

807
00:39:10.719 --> 00:39:12.400
I like touching shoulder.

808
00:39:12.639 --> 00:39:15.679
Yeah, I don't really try to touch people just Okay,

809
00:39:15.800 --> 00:39:18.800
to be honest, I did, I did was consented on rugs.

810
00:39:19.280 --> 00:39:21.639
That's because I give all kids hugs because matter what

811
00:39:21.800 --> 00:39:24.239
age you are, just because a lot of I will,

812
00:39:24.280 --> 00:39:26.480
however distrectful how I can be all the time, because

813
00:39:26.559 --> 00:39:28.440
so I consent to that because.

814
00:39:28.199 --> 00:39:32.239
I like people to be a okay, and what would

815
00:39:32.239 --> 00:39:34.920
the sex thing can like consist of?

816
00:39:35.079 --> 00:39:38.039
What was something I would send to my husband? Okay,

817
00:39:38.280 --> 00:39:39.039
that kind of stuff.

818
00:39:39.360 --> 00:39:42.519
What's like a normal example, like I said, you're never

819
00:39:42.639 --> 00:39:44.360
in here I tell people because you know, sometimes I

820
00:39:44.400 --> 00:39:47.360
get embarrassed. Right, there's nothing I've seen or heard in

821
00:39:47.400 --> 00:39:48.519
this profession.

822
00:39:48.760 --> 00:39:50.760
I don't know what he would have said, but for me,

823
00:39:50.840 --> 00:39:52.679
it would have just been like describing how I have

824
00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:55.159
sex with my husband, but like putting it in the

825
00:39:55.239 --> 00:39:59.280
first person, just because it's not as awkward and first

826
00:39:59.280 --> 00:40:00.760
person w the third.

827
00:40:00.639 --> 00:40:04.880
I'll be honest with that. MS just like that kind

828
00:40:04.920 --> 00:40:06.639
of stuff, just how I would have sex with mask,

829
00:40:06.679 --> 00:40:08.719
but just to clear my own mind.

830
00:40:09.239 --> 00:40:12.440
And you meant it for him? No, you were just

831
00:40:12.440 --> 00:40:14.760
just a general conversation conversation.

832
00:40:14.800 --> 00:40:15.559
I'm just saying that.

833
00:40:15.599 --> 00:40:17.360
No, no, no, yeah, I just need to make sure.

834
00:40:17.199 --> 00:40:19.679
That's and if he's anything, it's just probably you know,

835
00:40:21.239 --> 00:40:23.280
I consented to it, just so that way he gets

836
00:40:23.280 --> 00:40:24.239
step off of this more.

837
00:40:25.639 --> 00:40:29.920
I don't know anything else. I'm gonna be honest, but

838
00:40:30.119 --> 00:40:31.920
st of that, I did consent, like the hugging, the

839
00:40:32.360 --> 00:40:36.440
touch he gets. What about let the pictures know?

840
00:40:36.639 --> 00:40:38.400
Okay? Did he ever touch your breasts?

841
00:40:38.480 --> 00:40:38.679
Yeah?

842
00:40:39.880 --> 00:40:42.679
Did you guys ever talk about him touching your breasts?

843
00:40:42.760 --> 00:40:44.000
Your private parts?

844
00:40:44.719 --> 00:40:48.079
Again the sex game part? Maybe he did, but I'm

845
00:40:48.119 --> 00:40:48.920
not an octompersition.

846
00:40:48.920 --> 00:40:49.079
Sure?

847
00:40:49.159 --> 00:40:52.480
And did you ever compliment on his pictures?

848
00:40:52.480 --> 00:40:53.280
Not that I'm aware of.

849
00:40:54.199 --> 00:40:56.119
Never, be honest that I'm more because I don't know

850
00:40:56.159 --> 00:40:56.920
if he said.

851
00:40:56.719 --> 00:41:00.480
Any never compliment on this penis thing like that?

852
00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:02.800
And if I did it, it was probably at a mistake,

853
00:41:03.360 --> 00:41:07.239
a mistake that it probably happened not thinking clearly, so mistakenly.

854
00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:12.280
Yuh, would you say complimenting or like just talking about it?

855
00:41:12.320 --> 00:41:14.079
What would what's complimenting?

856
00:41:14.320 --> 00:41:15.480
Complimenting this penis?

857
00:41:15.760 --> 00:41:15.960
Yeah?

858
00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:20.559
If if I even did, I don't. I could have

859
00:41:20.639 --> 00:41:21.400
just changed.

860
00:41:21.119 --> 00:41:23.599
The subject to be answer I tend to do that.

861
00:41:23.760 --> 00:41:26.039
What Okay? So he would send you a penis pick?

862
00:41:26.079 --> 00:41:28.519
You just try and change the conversation if he did, ye,

863
00:41:30.119 --> 00:41:32.000
would that happen quite a bit? Would you like that

864
00:41:32.159 --> 00:41:35.320
he would just send an unsolicited something that you weren't

865
00:41:35.360 --> 00:41:38.480
aware of. Okay, so you knew it was coming, or.

866
00:41:39.199 --> 00:41:41.000
If he's in it to me, no, I wouldn't have.

867
00:41:41.159 --> 00:41:44.280
Okay, so sorry, and I don't want to sound uh

868
00:41:44.480 --> 00:41:45.360
the unsolicited.

869
00:41:45.360 --> 00:41:46.639
Do you kind of understand what that means?

870
00:41:46.719 --> 00:41:49.599
Yes? Okay, So when you would send it, you just

871
00:41:49.639 --> 00:41:52.119
had no idea what was coming, and then you would

872
00:41:52.159 --> 00:41:55.000
change the subject. Okay, Okay, yeah, that's good.

873
00:41:55.159 --> 00:41:57.119
I'll just be honest. I could probably just changed this

874
00:41:57.159 --> 00:41:58.519
subject as much as I could.

875
00:41:58.719 --> 00:42:02.079
Okay, I'm gonna just right in right here, and I'm

876
00:42:02.079 --> 00:42:05.760
going to say first clue that someone is lying. If

877
00:42:05.760 --> 00:42:10.119
they say the phrase quote I'm just gonna be honest

878
00:42:10.400 --> 00:42:17.079
every other sentence, they are probably not being honest. Now,

879
00:42:18.440 --> 00:42:23.320
Mikayla has spent this whole time easing into a confession,

880
00:42:23.599 --> 00:42:27.440
and this detective is so good. She doesn't even realize

881
00:42:27.480 --> 00:42:30.920
she's doing it. But so far, she said it was

882
00:42:30.960 --> 00:42:35.119
a kiss the student surprised her with. Then she confessed

883
00:42:35.199 --> 00:42:39.400
to sending him new picks under the pretense that she

884
00:42:39.559 --> 00:42:43.920
meant to send them to her husband. Then she admitted

885
00:42:43.960 --> 00:42:47.400
to sexting with this kid, and she was claiming she

886
00:42:47.480 --> 00:42:50.199
was talking about how she would have sex with her

887
00:42:50.280 --> 00:42:52.760
husband but would put it in third person because she

888
00:42:52.840 --> 00:42:56.599
said it was easier for her. So at this point,

889
00:42:56.760 --> 00:43:02.119
the detective he starts asking Mikayla about the lated messages,

890
00:43:02.320 --> 00:43:05.679
and here's how she explains that, I.

891
00:43:05.679 --> 00:43:07.760
Don't have a lot of us it is I delete

892
00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:08.400
bust of mine.

893
00:43:08.719 --> 00:43:09.960
Yeah, so I'm would.

894
00:43:09.840 --> 00:43:12.039
Be completely honest. I delete a lot of my information

895
00:43:12.320 --> 00:43:13.320
so it's not there.

896
00:43:13.719 --> 00:43:15.079
Okay, So you see how this is going to be

897
00:43:15.079 --> 00:43:16.000
tampering with evidence.

898
00:43:16.440 --> 00:43:19.639
Yeah, Like I said, I delete everything on a databay

899
00:43:19.679 --> 00:43:22.239
day basis, just to keep it, you know, from backing

900
00:43:22.280 --> 00:43:22.800
up the phone.

901
00:43:22.920 --> 00:43:23.199
Okay.

902
00:43:23.239 --> 00:43:24.159
So I'm going to be honest.

903
00:43:24.239 --> 00:43:26.119
Why didn't you disclose that to me earlier? Only I

904
00:43:26.480 --> 00:43:27.360
not remember if I.

905
00:43:27.280 --> 00:43:28.039
Did it enough it.

906
00:43:28.119 --> 00:43:29.880
I was just going to tell.

907
00:43:29.800 --> 00:43:31.960
You you got back that I probably deleted a lot

908
00:43:31.960 --> 00:43:33.039
of our messages, so.

909
00:43:33.079 --> 00:43:35.159
Okay, So where would I go to get those messages

910
00:43:35.159 --> 00:43:36.320
from you? Delete them?

911
00:43:36.679 --> 00:43:38.679
I have them. I'm not that tech.

912
00:43:38.519 --> 00:43:41.320
Savvy, okay, So but I do your Okay, So when

913
00:43:41.360 --> 00:43:44.159
I do the phone dump, I'm going to charge you

914
00:43:44.199 --> 00:43:48.320
with tamperaine on all accounts because.

915
00:43:47.960 --> 00:43:50.360
Of that, because I didn't remember that.

916
00:43:50.400 --> 00:43:52.039
No, because we know why you deleted it.

917
00:43:52.079 --> 00:44:00.719
Okay, you understand my messages from everyone, it's not just okay.

918
00:44:01.239 --> 00:44:02.800
So if I go through your phone and I find

919
00:44:03.079 --> 00:44:08.079
a thread from somebody else that was our kind, do

920
00:44:08.119 --> 00:44:09.920
you see how that's tampering with evidence?

921
00:44:09.960 --> 00:44:10.559
You're hiding that?

922
00:44:11.800 --> 00:44:14.239
Okay? Okay again, I didn't.

923
00:44:14.360 --> 00:44:14.880
I didn't know.

924
00:44:14.960 --> 00:44:18.199
I've just I delete everything all the time, so it's

925
00:44:18.239 --> 00:44:21.360
not just that I will yet.

926
00:44:21.760 --> 00:44:24.280
How about well we'll see what comes from his phone.

927
00:44:25.880 --> 00:44:29.480
Yes, just let eat.

928
00:44:30.360 --> 00:44:33.199
We take it to the FBI building. Anything that's deleted,

929
00:44:33.679 --> 00:44:38.480
anything that's you know, archived, whatever, it all gets dumped

930
00:44:38.519 --> 00:44:41.360
on a hard drive and could see everything. Deleted messages,

931
00:44:41.400 --> 00:44:44.079
deleted pictures, deleted accounts, everything.

932
00:44:44.639 --> 00:44:45.079
That's why.

933
00:44:46.159 --> 00:44:49.400
But it's on here right, looks better than us having

934
00:44:49.400 --> 00:44:51.360
to go and dump it. We still get what we wanted.

935
00:44:52.159 --> 00:44:54.199
In mind, I said, I don't remember deleting most of

936
00:44:54.280 --> 00:44:56.000
my stuff, and I do. I know, I do it

937
00:44:56.000 --> 00:44:58.320
a lot when i'm you know, years.

938
00:44:58.400 --> 00:44:59.480
Yeah, I just.

939
00:44:59.559 --> 00:45:01.199
I think it's it's about of bike clean. I didn't

940
00:45:01.360 --> 00:45:02.519
so I will be up to bad.

941
00:45:02.719 --> 00:45:05.639
Okay, So I am so sorry they're not talking like that.

942
00:45:05.840 --> 00:45:08.559
Clear just because I didn't work over until now we

943
00:45:10.840 --> 00:45:12.079
began to think thing on Facebook.

944
00:45:12.079 --> 00:45:13.440
I don't release pop out there.

945
00:45:14.960 --> 00:45:17.280
For the what sorry you're Facebook nice smer.

946
00:45:17.320 --> 00:45:19.000
I don't people out there because I get a lot

947
00:45:19.039 --> 00:45:24.760
of text messages from r papro but like, okay.

948
00:45:24.599 --> 00:45:27.960
Just because I don't deal with my messages are very often.

949
00:45:30.239 --> 00:45:34.960
So after this, what happens, uh, depending on where we go,

950
00:45:35.079 --> 00:45:42.320
and then we'll be going to jail. You're picking, I

951
00:45:42.360 --> 00:45:44.639
mean based off everything you know. You don't have anything,

952
00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:50.239
So we'll go up with what his phone shows and

953
00:45:50.280 --> 00:45:55.440
then from there, like I said, you'll you know, I'm

954
00:45:55.480 --> 00:46:00.199
not stupid. I know why messages were deleted. Okay, this

955
00:46:00.320 --> 00:46:01.960
is my first day in my life, but.

956
00:46:02.079 --> 00:46:05.000
I probably deleted it just because it's sports to have it.

957
00:46:05.039 --> 00:46:05.559
I usually do.

958
00:46:05.679 --> 00:46:07.599
But there could have been stuff on that that I

959
00:46:07.639 --> 00:46:10.360
don't remember, and I and I was being.

960
00:46:10.239 --> 00:46:12.000
One of that I don't remember. I like the finding

961
00:46:12.079 --> 00:46:13.960
I said, I what we talked about it, stuff like that.

962
00:46:17.440 --> 00:46:19.239
I know a lot of thems you asking you piece

963
00:46:19.280 --> 00:46:23.559
okay school fit piece during O being school stuff like that.

964
00:46:24.480 --> 00:46:28.960
But again, other than that, I don't really no, no

965
00:46:29.639 --> 00:46:33.679
me emotionally not here mentally about year because I begin

966
00:46:33.760 --> 00:46:34.880
I'm going through myself.

967
00:46:35.239 --> 00:46:37.320
Okay that I.

968
00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:39.400
Just wanted to be completely honest, because I probably did.

969
00:46:40.159 --> 00:46:43.119
Now that I'm thinking about stuff, I'm really tying.

970
00:46:43.199 --> 00:46:44.239
Ton't remember a lot.

971
00:46:46.840 --> 00:46:49.000
All the messages would have helped. That's all I could say.

972
00:46:49.719 --> 00:46:51.280
Like I said, I'm so sorry about that. I did

973
00:46:51.400 --> 00:46:53.599
not remember. I don't blanking my messages.

974
00:46:59.719 --> 00:47:00.199
I know.

975
00:47:00.280 --> 00:47:01.360
That's why with my good say.

976
00:47:01.199 --> 00:47:03.400
I love you, but it was like I love you

977
00:47:03.480 --> 00:47:07.239
as like our relationship just like sisut things.

978
00:47:08.000 --> 00:47:11.000
Because but because there's no other messages to otherwise.

979
00:47:11.199 --> 00:47:16.119
Yeah, I'm just letting you know that whatever's there, that's ugly. Whatever.

980
00:47:16.159 --> 00:47:23.840
Steak Jim, did you see what happened in Texas today?

981
00:47:24.079 --> 00:47:26.480
Wait before you tell me that, let me tell you

982
00:47:26.639 --> 00:47:29.039
what happened in New York. It cannot be as crazy

983
00:47:29.039 --> 00:47:31.320
as the case I told you about yesterday in Louisiana.

984
00:47:31.519 --> 00:47:34.320
You know what, we should do a podcast about it.

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Simply by searching Crime War Weekly or clicking the link

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in the description of this podcast. So what is so

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shocking from here? Is even under this questioning by detectives,

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she starts asking about what will happen with the student

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And I found this interesting because it's not It almost

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appeared to me she wasn't asking out of concern, but

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she was asking more out of if I'm going to

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get in trouble. He's going to get in trouble, I

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would be curious to what your thoughts are. Listen to

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this club.

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What happens to him?

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Just a jet Uh?

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I mean nothing really, I mean.

1004
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You know, he's got to go through this whole thing.

1005
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He'll get his phone back if we eat, I find that.

1006
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He can, right, I'm just like secret general say.

1007
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What uh what do you want?

1008
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Still I can't like like for me, like what happens

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sim Like that's the gate in case like things so

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bad stuff? What happens sim I know? What have Oh

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it happened to him?

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Any more detailed?

1013
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I don't. I'm sorry, I don't take screen.

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Yeah, I mean, I'll help you out as much as Canda.

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I'm not sure what where.

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I know, I'll go to jail, like what happens to headless?

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He I'm gonna like have repercussions too, or like just

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in gentment.

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I mean he might go get a uh, you know,

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mental health check up for sure.

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I definitely pat what I'm maybe els, but.

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I don't know off the top of my head, I don't.

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I mean, he's not going to be arrested or anything.

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You know, I know I would.

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I'm just questioning just because things don't ut so the detective.

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He then stops playing mister Knight, and he calls Mikayla

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out on all of her bullshit, even quotes some of

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their text exchanges. And you won't believe what this sounded like.

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I know you guys had sex.

1030
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It's very clear, Okay, So at what point was that initiated?

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And who initiate made you haven't had that?

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Go bro, that's the thing we.

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Haven't, okay, And you're gonna stick with that. I'm being honest, though,

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So are you fifteen years older than them?

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Yes, I'll be honest. I was born to night board.

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The next day, she went back and did something she

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was not supposed to. She kissed them like nothing else,

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then laid and then led to them having sex in.

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This back again how I was stealing at the time.

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That was all they both needed. They were perfect together.

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And like I said, I haven't been bahmano here and

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I could just be expressed, ohandail about my husband.

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And like I said, that that was so we both

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know this isn't about your husband. Okay. That's I'm giving

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you a lot of the benefit of the doubt on

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a lot of this stuff.

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Okay, I am.

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We both know that this message is not about your husband.

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Can we agree to that?

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But it could be like, I don't know how I

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was feeling.

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Because you are you fifteen years older than your husband?

1053
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Sometimes I wish I was.

1054
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No, are you fifteen years No, I's been seven years

1055
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old with them, Okay, so stop playing that game, kayla. Okay,

1056
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But I could feel like that, tont but I don't

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want I did. I didn't ask if you feel that way.

1058
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I asked if you're fifteen years older than it?

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Yes, And like I said, that wasn't what I was

1060
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trying to say. I'm just saying that those are how

1061
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I feel. It's not like I have done anything.

1062
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Okay, So that's just go through this. So you call

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him your hero, because that was the name of the song.

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Bye Killer.

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Okay, so this happened yesterday, Right, you're sad?

1066
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Why I miss you? I miss you too?

1067
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But what is tmr.

1068
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Tm?

1069
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Yeah, because I miss you too, But.

1070
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I don't know a whole lot of the textans I

1071
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know you are, I O M on other news. But

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again he's I think he knew, says it as like

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I don't know or I don't know.

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I got, I d K and l oil okay, okay,

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so and I get said a lot of it's just

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how I like, we're gonna.

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Be okay, Yes, we will, I hope, so we will promise,

1078
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I promise, Okay, I can trust you, okay, being but

1079
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since she was us, I'm glad you didn't grab my dick.

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I feel a bit better.

1081
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Just wish I was there. And boy was I right

1082
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not to do so?

1083
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Well, I get I wasn't supposed to say anya bad.

1084
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I haven't meant I was gonna, But I'm glad I

1085
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did it. Yeah, yeah, why didn't you though I knew

1086
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we would have been caught. Oh yeah, well, ig, I

1087
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guess tomorrow morning you won't come see me? Yeah, okay,

1088
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just because I can't. Sorry, it's okay, I love you, babe.

1089
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I love you too, Princess. What's wrong? None?

1090
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And why I feel like you're mad at No?

1091
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I am smelling hoodie while I have it good? Really?

1092
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Yes?

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Why because I give to you for reason? What is

1094
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it your reason?

1095
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My hoodie?

1096
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I get that. What was your reason for giving me

1097
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the hoodie? You wanted it and smells like you, so

1098
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I wanted it. Yeah, it is the only way I'm

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going to get through this long distance and go yeah

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for a while. Then once I get out, I'll be

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able to be with you.

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These people are.

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Crazy, dumb or whatever you mean everybody. You're gonna be

1104
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okay with this full? Well, yeah, gonna have to be,

1105
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I know, babe. But once I have my place, you

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could stay with me. Then we don't have to be

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so far apart. Plus, I'm getting you a ring for Christmas, yes,

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being I love you. I love you too, my hero

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Pumpkin still here.

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And the ring was member Mass but not for am

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I done bring that.

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Cause I had shot my husband.

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Met show me as without ring and I think I

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sent it to the lock.

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I say, yeah, so yeah, I do remember that.

1116
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Why are you guys calling each other husband wipe again?

1117
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I did wasn't met for for that, I Mike phone

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automatically does certain auto messages, autosims and auto criks. So

1119
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when I'm trying to see something in smilies, right, I

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do know to okay, because I've had.

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That happen a lot.

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I'll mean one thing in its strung.

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Right thing, and I call everybody baby booth so that

1124
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I need love.

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It's just how I charge.

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So at this point you can see why I'm so

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insistent about exposing all these bad teachers. Those texts exchanges,

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the detective just read out, I mean, she had this

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fifteen year old boy thinking they were getting married. They

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were calling each other husband and wife, talking about wedding rings.

1131
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So police did manage to pull some things off miss

1132
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Ford's phone after all this, including two topless picks she

1133
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thought were deleted, some picks of them, making out which

1134
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one of those picks was the student's wallpaper on his

1135
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cell phone. They recovered several texts, including one exchange where

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the student asked her if she was going to cry

1137
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when he put it in her ass again, to which

1138
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she replied no. They then both went into detail on

1139
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whether to use lube again, and MICHAELA replied quote starts

1140
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slowly and gently them. Once I can take it, you

1141
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can do it faster and harder. Just remember I'm not breakable.

1142
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That's a direct quote. In another conversation, miss Ford tells

1143
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this fifteen year old boy she wants to wear a

1144
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collar that has a lock on it and says, Daddy's girl.

1145
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And and yet another message, she sends a topless photo

1146
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to Ak and he sends a picture of his penis

1147
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back and she replies, I want all of you. So

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Mikayla Ford gets charged with multiple charges related to sex exploitation, obviously,

1149
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and she actually goes to jail, but she's released on

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a cashless bond on her own recogniance. And since then,

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since November of twenty twenty four, nearly a year ago,

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guess what, no updates. Nothing. Zero. So if you're a

1153
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listener in New Mexico, message me and let me know

1154
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what's going on with this case because there is no

1155
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updates online. I don't even know if they're covering it there.

1156
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But y'all, this is the fucking problem. This is the problem.

1157
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This stuff gets swept under rugs, and a lot of

1158
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times it's because it's female teachers and male students and

1159
00:58:19.400 --> 00:58:22.320
it's just not considered as bad. But can you not

1160
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see with what I just covered today how manipulated this

1161
00:58:30.360 --> 00:58:33.800
kid was by this teacher. He thought they were getting

1162
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married after he graduated high school and she has a daughter,

1163
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an elementary age daughter. Insanity. Thank you so much for listening.

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Exposed scandalous files of the elite. I'm your host, Jim Chapman.

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Much love,