Aug. 20, 2025

Bad Boys: Aaron Hernandez Part 7

Bad Boys: Aaron Hernandez Part 7
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Season 1

In this episode, Jim Chapman continues the “Bad Boys: Aaron Hernandez series as Alexander Bradley's completes his testimony in the Boston shooting case.

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Hey everyone, and welcome back to Exposed Scandalous Files of

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the Elite. I'm your host, Jim Chapman, and today we

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are continuing in the bad Boy series with episode seven

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in the continued testimony of Alexander Bradley. Now, the last

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time that I left you, Bradley got absolutely hammered by

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the defense on the Boston shooting and he also got

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hammered on his statements he made to police where he

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was questioned about that shooting. Now in today's testimony, he

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is questioned by the defense regarding when Aaron shot him,

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and they focused on the statements he made in his

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civil deposition. Now, this is the last episode I'm doing

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regarding Bradley's testimony. He's going to complete that testimony today.

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So in the next episode, I'm going to cover the

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verdict in the Boston shootings case as well as the aftermath.

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And we're going to go ahead and probably in the

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next two or three episodes wrap this whole series up.

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But here's the clipse of the finalization, if you will,

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of Alexander Bradley's testimony on the night you.

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Got shot on February thirteen, twenty thirteen.

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It's your testimony that there were four of you. Correct. Okay.

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You testified that when you were in the car, you

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were in the backseat.

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Rear passenger, Yes, rear passenger.

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There was another guy to your left.

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Correct, Aaron was in the front passenger, correct, and this

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GP guy was driver.

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Right correct. There weren't more individuals with you, No, sure

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more individuals didn't go with you to tutsis.

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Not that particular night, no, sir, okay.

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And when you go there, they give you a wristband, right.

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Correct. They did that that night. I had a riskband.

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Correct.

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To get in that area, you have to. I guess

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it's like a special risk Fand that says next level.

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Correct, you're one of the next level.

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I don't know if that's why we go upstairs the

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next level right, yes, to the second floor.

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Okay, may approach the witness.

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I'm showing. You can give me your drink pleas a

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uh receipt? Can you check read to the ladies and

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gentlemen of the.

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Jury of the date February thirteen, okay, And the.

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Top of the document says, what.

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Sir, Miami Square Garden one Incorporated.

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Really says Miami Garden is Square one right, correct? Okay?

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And apparently it gives you the item.

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Correct, And what does it say? Next level twenty bucks?

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Next level of twenty says next level twenty dollars five times?

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Okay, So there's a quantity of five different UH purchases

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to go to the next level.

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It's correct. Correct?

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And you mentioned that Aaron was the one buying that night, right.

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Yes, okay.

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And in this exhibit three oh six, you see Aaron's

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driver's license correct and his visa card correct, and you

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see the purchase for the next level tickets.

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To go to the VIP room.

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I see, yes, I see five next level purchases of

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twenty dollars correct.

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And it's your testimony that only four of you were

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partying that night, not five, correct, it is kay. And

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in fact, there were more guys there that w that

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evening with you, weren't there.

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I don't believe that's correct.

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More more guys and more cars, right, I don't believe

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that's correct. But this receipt says five correct. Correct.

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Now it's your testimony, sir, that after leaving Tutsis you

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left your phone correct, and you got in the car

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with Aaron and three other individuals right, correct?

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Okay?

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And actually aeron in two other individuals Aeron and two

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other individuals not three?

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Not three?

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Two?

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Okay, I'm sorry, if you're right, two other individuals. Okay. So,

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and you said that you fell asleep.

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At a point, yes, And and that you have this

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ability and when a car stops.

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You wake up.

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Yes. I do wake up when cars stop moving, Okay.

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Cars rocky to sleep, and when they stop, you wake up.

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I don't always go to sleep, but if I do

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fall asleep in the car, usually when I hit a

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destination in the car stops, I wake up.

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Kay. Do you recall giving a civil a civil deposition

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in this case?

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Yes?

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I do, okay, And that was on January thirteenth, two

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thousand and sixteen, right.

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Correct, Kay? And do you recall being asked this question? Sir?

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You don't know though, if the car might have made

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any other stops right before you were shot.

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Right?

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And do you recall giving the answer? I can't definitely

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say no. Do you recall giving that answer?

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I don't recall, but if that's what it says, then

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that's accurate.

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Okay. How about this question? Okay, So you don't know it.

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May Aaron left the car prior to you being shot, right,

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And do you recall giving the answer prior to me

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being shot?

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Question?

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Yes, and you're given the answer no, I can't say

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whether he did or didn't.

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I don't call saying that.

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But if that's what it says, then that's accurate.

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Well, let's let's confirm it so there's no less understanding.

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Page one, twenty four, Council line twenty three. Can you

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read the highlight of portion online twenty three and confirm

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to the ladies and gentlemen of the jury that you

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in fact gave that answer.

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It says, no, I can't say whether he did or

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did it. That's the answer I gave.

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Okay.

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So in your in your civiltle deposition where your purposes

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to sue Aaron trying to get money from him, you

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can't even say under oath whether he left the car

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prior to you being shot.

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Correct. Correct?

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But today you come before this jury after getting your

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deal and say, Aaron Hernandez shot.

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You, Jason, to guess when you got the deal?

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Seed is to performing the questions.

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So you testified under direct examination that Aaron Hernandez shot you.

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Correct. Let's talk a little bit about the shooting, sir.

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I'm gonna show you a series of photographs so we

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can explain to the ladies and.

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Gentlemen of the jury a little bit better of the

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location where you were shot. Okay, Okay. Does this look

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like the alley where you believe you were shot? Yes,

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that is Dali. Okay. Is that a fair and acurate

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representation from that alley? Yes? Okay.

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Here's another photograph kind of a little more close stuff closer.

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Is that the alley stir it appears to be yes, okay.

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And another photograph after that.

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Yes, that appears to be the alley.

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Okay. I have these marked as an exhibit current.

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Okay, these being the three photographs.

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Yes, all right?

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What if we marked from three oh seven, A, B,

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and C all being different and s.

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So we can all have a perspective. I just want

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to go over the general directionality of things.

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Okay, that's fine.

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Okay.

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This is a warehouse area, correct, Yes, there's nothing for

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warehouses around there.

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I know it's an industrial area, okay.

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And when we refer to an alley, you're referring it

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down here, correct, Yes, that's an alleyway okay.

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And it's your testimony. It was your testimony under direct

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examination that this is a fence area here, correct, correct,

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And that after being shot, you got up from this

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fence area.

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Well, you were shot inside the car, right.

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Yes, But that that view, I've never seen his view.

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There's another view.

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Okay, we'll get into that. I don't want to.

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Because I just can't decipher what's end, you know, based

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on his view.

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Okay, we'll go back and forth and when you can

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point that out.

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So it's your testimony that you're in the car, car stops,

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you wake up, and Aaron shoots you right correct, okay,

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and he shoots you inside the car, correct, okay.

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And then Aaron and another guy push you out of

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the car. Right.

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Aaron is just another guy and pushing me out of

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the car, correct, Okay.

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And the gun you used to shoot you was a

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semi automatic right, correct?

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Okay, that you remember I know for a fact. That

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I know for a fact, all right.

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And then you when you get pushed out of the car,

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you fall over here.

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Correct.

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I can't confirm that from this view. Justus what I

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was trying to tell you earlier.

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Okay, this is the other angle. I'm gonna show you

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another photograph you see right over here, like these tanks, yes,

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white tanks.

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Yes. Show you a picture from another angle outward. I

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guess this is the other view of the opposite view.

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Do you see that? Yes? Okay? You see the crime

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scene tape back here? Yes? Okay.

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Does that kind of give you a little more general

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of the direction or should I show you some more photographs.

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If if that's where the the the alley is familiar

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to me, But I just never s saw these angles

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of the you know, these pictures, so I can't really

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from that angle, like, I can't tell myself exactly what

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the vehicle was. And there I'm remember, there's a fence

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right next to me. There's a better picture somewhere, there's

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there's a there's a better picture with a fence and

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a cap on the ground. Okay, that's the fence area right, correct.

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You see your hat down here? Correct?

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And you see some blood over here on the piping, yes, okay,

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and some blood over here.

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Yes, mkay.

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Now you fell down to the ground here right in

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that area.

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Yes, say, And that's what possible. And that's what I guess.

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Your blood spattered over to the other side of the

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fence there right like.

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A zoom in, I see blood on other side of

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the fence.

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Yes, alright, that's your blood. Right, let me zoom in

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a little bit more. I'm showing you now three owaight.

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Yes, that's my blood.

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Okay, I'm gonna show you Exhibit three O eight B.

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That's your blood there on the other side of the fence. Yes, okay, So.

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Whatever happened, you had enough impact for the blood to

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go on to the other side of the fence right

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when you hit the ground.

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I'm not an expert. You're asking me to answer a

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question that I can.

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But you didn't wipe that out intentionally over there, right.

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You didn't do anything extra to get the blood on

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the other side of the fence, right.

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No, I just recall grabbing that fence in that fence

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area to pull myself up.

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Okay, now you can sens I approach the witness.

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You may, I'll show you a couple more photos, Hm.

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I approach. Okay, I'm gonna show you a couple more photographs.

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Does that appear to be an accurate repre uh, A

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fair and accurate representation of your hat in the fence area?

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Yes? Okay.

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And this second photograph I'm showing you same thing. Put

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a little bit more out yes.

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Kay.

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Another a third photo, but again a little bit more out, yes,

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And a fourth photo a little bit more of a

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close up.

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Yes okay.

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Now, sir, you told the police that you were shot

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in the car, right, correct, And you told this jury

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that you were shot in the car, right correct.

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And yet.

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Then you had your hat on while you got shot, right.

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I don't remember if I had my hat on when

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I got shot.

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But somehow your hat ended up outside the fa outside

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in the fence area.

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Right apparently, so, yes.

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And that is in fact where you were actually shot, right.

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No, I was shot and shot in a vehicle, like

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I informed.

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You, okay. And the police never recovered that vehicle, right.

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I wouldn't know, sir. They never advised you that they

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never recovered any vehicle. No, I was never advised to that, okay.

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And you didn't when when they were pushing you out

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of the car. You didn't say to them at any time, hey,

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let me get my hat.

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At the time, I just recall my ears ringing, I

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didn't say anything, okay, to the best of my memory, you.

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Can say, hey, let me get my hat. I need

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to get my hat. No, I was shot in the head, okay.

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And your hat was on your head.

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Or you don't know.

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Again, I'm not sure if my hat was on my head.

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What is this, sir?

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That appears to be shellcasing?

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Okay, shellcasing to a uh to a bullet? Right? Correct? Okay?

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And the police recovered that bullet shellcasing?

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Are you telling me they did? I'm asking if you

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know I believe so if there's an evidence market there,

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I would say, yes, I would guess that they did.

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Okay, Yes, do you know? I know?

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I don't know definitively that they recovered that.

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And do you see that that shellcasing is outside in

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the grassy area and not.

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Inside the car?

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Yes?

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I do. And when a semi.

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Automatic fires ago we went over your knowledge of guns yesterday.

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When a the a semi automatic fire is a gun

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shellcasing comes out of the gun.

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Correct, That is correct?

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And in this case it ended up outside in the

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grassy area near your hat.

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Right.

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Yes, I don't see my hat, but yes I see

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the shellcasing. If my hat's right by the here, correct?

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Okay, you wouldn't argue with that though, right, No.

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I wouldn't argue if my hat's right by there, the

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shellcasion is by my hat.

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Okay, Kay, I'm showing you Exhibit three on nine B,

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which is the shellcasing. Do you see that that is

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marked at given the uh evidence marker number one?

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Yes?

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Kay?

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And this is a far out shot, which is Exhibit

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three on nine Hey.

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Do you see your hat there? Yes, that appears a

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marker that says number one. Yes, that appears to be

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my hat. Okay.

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So would you agree that evidence marker number one is

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next to your hot yes?

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Okay. Now, this is an area.

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I wanna kind of give you a I wanna go

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over the alley way again. This is an area and then.

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Throw show you three H seven A.

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Would you now agree, sir that the area in question

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that we're talking about is this area.

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Right here near the fence.

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Yes.

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Kay.

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And when you say you walk down the alley after

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getting up you got up here and you walk down

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this alley, correct, I believe so, Dad, you walked all

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the way to the end of the alley, right, yes kay?

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Then he came back right, we walked all the way

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back here.

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Uh.

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I just recall walking to the end of the alley.

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I don't recall like doing it back and forth or

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something like that.

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When you walk down this area, sir, did you hide

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your gun? Yeah?

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All right, No, you may answer me, sir and have

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your gun.

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Okay, So there's there's no gun for you to hide

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over there, right absolutely, now, okay, sir. So after walking

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down this area, do you recall walking back?

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I just recall walking to the end of the alley

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to get help, to get help.

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If someone to show you another photograph that might help

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you out.

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Do you see this bloodied area over here?

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Yes?

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Okay, there's no alley way between that over this area,

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this spense area and here correct, correct, and the alley

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would be this way right correct. So is it fair

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to say, sir, that you walk down this alley over

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there and then walk back and ultimately collapsed over here?

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It's possible. Okay. I'll show you.

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Another close up shot and I am showing for the record,

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uh exhibit three ten E. Is that blood, sir?

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It appears to be believe that's your blood on the pavement.

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I'm not sure, but I mean it could.

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Be anybody else bleeding out there that day.

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I wouldn't know, but I knew I was bleeding a

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lot out there today.

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Okay, And that's your blood, right I I'll strike the court.

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I if you don't know, you.

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Know, I'm not sure if that's my blood.

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No, okay, Now, sir, after being shot in Florida, you

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did not cooperate.

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With the police, correct, correct, And that's because you to

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know who shot you.

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That is incorrect.

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Okay, that's incorrect, right right?

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You knew who shot you most certainly, and you knew

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the details of who shot you.

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And how extensively. Okay, And.

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You refuse to cooperate with the police, right, correct? Again,

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you then began to bless you.

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You then consulted with a lawyer.

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Yes, at some point okay, and then you said all

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those text messages.

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That we went over right.

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At some point, yes, okay?

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And your intent was to get money from Aaron Ornandez.

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At a point that became my intent.

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Yes, okay, I know we know you wanted to kill

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him too, right, Yes, because you're a killera sustine.

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Now, sir.

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After wanting to kill him and take his money or

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sue him for money, you also sued CNN.

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Right, I'll see you what side the tact to be

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sustained if you are to dis here the question?

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Now, sir, you didn't you didn't cooperate with the police. Right, correct,

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And then later on the Florida police, after you cut

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your deal, came and tried to speak with you again.

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Right, objection, Let's stay as the form of the good Okay.

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October eighth, two thousand and thirteen. You had your profit

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with mister Hagen, correct. Okay, you got immunity on the

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eighteenth of October two thousand and thirteen.

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Correct, And then the Florida police came calling. Right, they

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came to see you.

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Not correct, not after you.

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No, they continued to see you in Massachusetts. Right, they

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came up here.

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Yes, but before long before that that a profit agreement

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in community, way before that. And that's subsequent to that, right,

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subsequent to me being shot in Florida.

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No, subsequent to you having your deal, your immunity deal.

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No, you got the timeframes wrong, so it wouldn't be subsequently.

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Prior to me receiving immunity. They came and.

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You refused to cooperate with them. That that is correct.

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And you had already sued Aaron Hernanadas I believe so.

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Okay, So you were already making it public that he

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shot you, right, yeah.

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Way public.

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At some point they lawsuits a public record, right, yes,

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it is, okay, And the police knew that you were

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claiming Aaron was the shooter, right, correct, okay, But you

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still did not want to cooperate with the police.

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Right, I still didn't cooperate with the police.

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Still to this day, you have not cooperated with.

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The Florida police, correct, Okay.

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And that's because you know that those who you were

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dealing drugs with in Florida will kill you if you

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were to testify or give any information about your drug

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dealings in Florida. Isn't that right, circuit?

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And shee is the form of the question, And that's

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because of your fear of retaliation from those in Florida.

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Right now, you may answer that.

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Absolutely not the case. I have no fear of retaliation.

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You testified that the reason you didn't cooperate was because

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you don't snitch.

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Because I didn't want to handle that matter with mister

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Hernandez that way.

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And because you don't snitch.

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You recall mister Hagen asking you about your code.

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No refresh my memory.

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Please, Mister Hagen asked you that that's not what you do,

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because that's not your code.

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Right.

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I believe he's I believe he I don't call him

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saying those exact words, I believe, tell him, mister Hagen,

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that's not how I wanted to go about dealing with

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the situation.

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You know, it's your it's your contention, though, sir, that

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you don't snitch.

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Right, Jorge has an answer.

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No, you may answer that question. Yes, it's my contention

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that I do not believe in snitching.

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And you, well, what are you doing right now? Got

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sustain Alright?

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You talk about in all your text messages about not

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being a snitch and not being a rat, right, correct? Okay,

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And you went through this whole thing with mister Agan

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about snitching and rioting and all that.

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Right, I went through the texting.

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I believe you're credit okay, And.

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You would agree that snitching and rioting is dangerous business

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and the drug dealing great, right, No, you may answer

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if you had a view on that. I believe it

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can be.

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It could be very dangerous if you're if you're talking

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to the police, other drug dealers may want to come

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and kill you.

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Right, It's possible.

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You testified a moment.

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Ago, so the ladies and gentlemen of the jury about

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knowing who shot you, right, correct?

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And all of the details about who shot you and how? Right? Correct? Okay?

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You recalled given your we we've testified about a lot

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of text messages.

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And things like that from your phone that was extracted,

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right correct. Okay?

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And do you remember I'm referring to exhibit BBBB sending

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this text? Now, you're sure once I withdraw this lawsuit

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that it won't be that I won't be held on

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per after I tell the court the truth about me

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not realizing recalling anything about.

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Who shot me. Let's see you it's so far. Yeah, hey, sir, uh,

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you recall.

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Turning over your phone to the police, yes, okay? And

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you recall signing this consent to sies and search. Yes

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you remember, mister Hagen Durings direct. I questioned you about it,

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about how you were kind enough to waive your rights

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on this phone.

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Oh yes, okay.

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And this is your signature, correct, And this is the

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signature of your lawyer, right, yes, okay. And the name

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of your lawyer is mister Pickering, right correct? Okay, Robert Pickering?

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Correct? And you call him pick correct?

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Kay? This text message is to what numbers are?

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Uh?

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Eight six zero nine, two two five two ninety seven?

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Sorry? Yeah.

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And the name underneath it says pick Pick and that's

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how you refer to your lawyer.

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Yes, okay.

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And you had a communication with your lawyer asking him

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for legal advice, right, correct? And you know that when

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you speak to your lawyer, everything is confidential, correct unless

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you waive it like you did here.

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Correct. Okay. You also deleted this message, did you not?

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I don't know if I deleted it. Did you recall

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deleting this message?

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No, I don't recall deleting it. I wouldn't have to,

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there's no reason to.

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Okay.

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So it's your testimony that you would not have deleted

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this message that says, now you're sure. Well, now you're

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sure once I withdraw this lawsuit that won't be held

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on perjury, after I tell the court the truth about

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me not recalling anything. You see the word anything in there, sir?

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Correct?

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About who shot me? Do you remember that? Yes? I

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remember that text. Okay, mister Bradley.

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I want to tie up a couple of things before

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we conclude. First of all, do you remember the questions

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that we referenced in regards.

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To Jamaar Durham. Yes, okay.

499
00:28:45.400 --> 00:28:47.519
I'm going to show you a police reporter, I'd like

500
00:28:47.599 --> 00:28:50.200
for you to review it and see if this refreshes

501
00:28:50.200 --> 00:28:56.359
your recollection. As to mister Durham, Okay, sir, you testified

502
00:28:56.359 --> 00:29:00.680
to the jury that after the shooting on July sixteen,

503
00:29:00.720 --> 00:29:06.640
twenty twelve, that you never use the Toyota four erunner again.

504
00:29:06.960 --> 00:29:08.960
Do you recall that testimony?

505
00:29:10.160 --> 00:29:11.119
Yes, I believe I do.

506
00:29:11.759 --> 00:29:14.079
Okay, And do.

507
00:29:14.079 --> 00:29:17.200
You recall giving a statement in your profit one where

508
00:29:17.240 --> 00:29:22.200
you got the deal when asked did you ever page

509
00:29:22.319 --> 00:29:27.000
ninety seven, Council won thirteen, Did you ever see the

510
00:29:27.039 --> 00:29:30.480
car again after that night? And do you recall giving

511
00:29:30.519 --> 00:29:30.960
the answer?

512
00:29:31.559 --> 00:29:31.799
Yeah?

513
00:29:32.000 --> 00:29:35.960
To be honest, I may have even driven it after

514
00:29:36.240 --> 00:29:38.960
because what's throwing me off is the fact that I

515
00:29:39.039 --> 00:29:41.640
know that they came to the stadium and asked for

516
00:29:41.680 --> 00:29:42.079
the car.

517
00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:42.960
At some point.

518
00:29:43.000 --> 00:29:46.440
It must have been, you know, back out, and I

519
00:29:46.440 --> 00:29:49.519
think that's when when he dropped it off over there

520
00:29:50.039 --> 00:29:52.920
and put it in the garage. I mean, I wasn't

521
00:29:52.960 --> 00:29:56.160
with him, but when he did it, he that's what

522
00:29:56.200 --> 00:29:57.440
would have happened.

523
00:29:58.440 --> 00:30:00.359
That's where it was. Do you recall give them that

524
00:30:00.400 --> 00:30:01.680
Statement's that answer, sir?

525
00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:03.799
No, I don't recall, but if that's what it shares

526
00:30:04.480 --> 00:30:05.200
and that's what I say.

527
00:30:05.880 --> 00:30:06.240
Okay.

528
00:30:06.759 --> 00:30:09.079
And this again is a situation where your memory does

529
00:30:09.119 --> 00:30:10.000
not get better with time.

530
00:30:10.119 --> 00:30:13.240
Right action m overruled.

531
00:30:13.480 --> 00:30:16.200
You may answer to that prekeat uh.

532
00:30:16.279 --> 00:30:18.599
I guess in this instance that will be correct?

533
00:30:19.119 --> 00:30:19.480
Okay.

534
00:30:20.720 --> 00:30:28.839
Now like to mark the text that we referred to

535
00:30:28.920 --> 00:30:35.640
point munch as an exhibit. Guard do you walk for

536
00:30:35.880 --> 00:30:36.720
that is an exhibit?

537
00:30:36.880 --> 00:30:38.720
Yes? Or ye? Is there an interaction so it's a

538
00:30:38.759 --> 00:30:39.960
repredactions round.

539
00:30:41.640 --> 00:30:42.000
Uh?

540
00:30:42.200 --> 00:30:45.039
We have an agreement to you justice alright.

541
00:30:45.039 --> 00:30:47.400
If there's an agreement as to redaction, then it is

542
00:30:47.440 --> 00:30:49.079
to receive subject to that.

543
00:30:49.079 --> 00:30:55.400
There gusten about the people.

544
00:31:14.880 --> 00:31:18.960
Okay, sir, mister Bradley. You recall this text message that

545
00:31:19.000 --> 00:31:20.880
we reviewed before we went to lunch.

546
00:31:21.079 --> 00:31:24.839
Yes, I do, okay, And this was a text message

547
00:31:24.880 --> 00:31:27.599
sent to your lawyer. Correct, okay.

548
00:31:28.000 --> 00:31:32.519
And in this text message you state the following. Now

549
00:31:32.559 --> 00:31:36.240
you're sure once I withdraw this lawsuit that I won't

550
00:31:36.240 --> 00:31:38.960
be held on perjury after I tell the court the

551
00:31:39.000 --> 00:31:43.319
truth about me not recalling anything about who shot me.

552
00:31:44.799 --> 00:31:47.119
My question to you, sir, is do you see the

553
00:31:47.240 --> 00:31:52.480
date that it is sent? Yes, okay, and that's July fifth,

554
00:31:52.480 --> 00:31:55.559
two thousand and thirteen or twelve, twenty eight in the afternoon.

555
00:31:55.720 --> 00:31:59.799
Correct, okay. Now you recall.

556
00:32:09.920 --> 00:32:15.359
I'm now showing Exhibit three zero one, which is your

557
00:32:16.440 --> 00:32:17.599
deal with the Commonwealth.

558
00:32:18.519 --> 00:32:19.400
Yes, I do, okay.

559
00:32:19.480 --> 00:32:22.599
I remember when we first began talking. I I went

560
00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:24.720
over this line by line with you.

561
00:32:25.359 --> 00:32:40.519
Yes, okay? And do you remember the section word says.

562
00:32:45.480 --> 00:32:48.920
If the district Attorney learns that the information or testimony

563
00:32:48.920 --> 00:32:51.559
that mister Bradley provides after the date of this letter

564
00:32:52.119 --> 00:32:55.559
is not complete and truthful, then the district Attorney may

565
00:32:55.599 --> 00:33:00.000
declare this agreement null and void. Should the district Attorney

566
00:32:59.880 --> 00:33:03.440
to declare this agreement nulling void because the information or

567
00:33:03.480 --> 00:33:06.880
testimony provided by mister Riley is not complete and truthful,

568
00:33:07.440 --> 00:33:10.839
the district Attorney may institute a prosecution of perjury.

569
00:33:11.200 --> 00:33:11.839
You see that's her.

570
00:33:12.039 --> 00:33:12.480
Yes, I do.

571
00:33:12.920 --> 00:33:15.519
And you understand all of that, right, Yes, I do? Okay.

572
00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:17.319
Now you gave.

573
00:33:19.039 --> 00:33:24.519
Your You sent that text message July of twenty thirteen.

574
00:33:25.039 --> 00:33:26.680
Do you recall that, correct?

575
00:33:27.400 --> 00:33:34.400
You signed this document well September tenth, twenty fourteen, correct, okay,

576
00:33:35.240 --> 00:33:40.599
And in between September tenth, twenty and fourteen until now,

577
00:33:43.240 --> 00:33:46.240
has the district attorney informed you that they have decided

578
00:33:46.279 --> 00:33:48.799
to declare your agreement nulling void.

579
00:33:49.680 --> 00:33:50.440
No, they haven't.

580
00:33:50.480 --> 00:33:53.880
Okay, did you get any bad news at lunch? No?

581
00:33:53.960 --> 00:33:54.359
I did not.

582
00:33:55.599 --> 00:33:59.519
Aside from the Bologney sandwich, nothing negative happened. Jess straining

583
00:34:05.759 --> 00:34:07.160
if we're cann ad just no mobisation.

584
00:34:13.480 --> 00:34:14.320
I have no fuck question.

585
00:34:15.960 --> 00:34:30.320
Chill Hagen, good after know, mister Bradley, you'd have to know.

586
00:34:31.519 --> 00:34:34.039
Just wanna uh clarify uh some of the questions that

587
00:34:34.079 --> 00:34:37.039
were asked on cross examination. Let's start with what, mister

588
00:34:37.079 --> 00:34:39.800
bi is just uh left off with the text message

589
00:34:39.920 --> 00:34:43.599
between you and your lawyer sent on July fifth, two

590
00:34:43.639 --> 00:34:46.679
thousand thirteen. I'm just gonna place a portion of that

591
00:34:46.760 --> 00:34:49.159
on the screen. I believe it's now Exhibit three eleven

592
00:34:49.199 --> 00:34:54.400
subjects of reaction. In addition to that text, mister Bradley's

593
00:34:54.400 --> 00:34:57.320
there also a text above that relative to.

594
00:34:57.320 --> 00:34:58.440
A grand jury proceeding.

595
00:34:59.119 --> 00:35:01.039
Okay, could you.

596
00:35:01.000 --> 00:35:03.679
Just read that text? And last, but not least, my

597
00:35:03.760 --> 00:35:06.480
licens are suspended. I need an eye procedure, and me

598
00:35:06.599 --> 00:35:08.960
being scared from my life isn't enough for me to

599
00:35:08.960 --> 00:35:10.519
get out of testifying to the grand.

600
00:35:10.400 --> 00:35:12.960
Jury directly at the time that you sent that text.

601
00:35:13.760 --> 00:35:17.920
By fifth, twenty thirteen. Were you summons to a peer.

602
00:35:18.039 --> 00:35:19.360
Did you have noticed that you were due to a

603
00:35:19.440 --> 00:35:22.000
peer in a county grand jury.

604
00:35:21.679 --> 00:35:22.880
Other than Suffolk County.

605
00:35:23.079 --> 00:35:23.400
Yes?

606
00:35:23.440 --> 00:35:25.519
And was it your understanding that you were going to

607
00:35:25.559 --> 00:35:28.760
be asked questions related to the shooting of you on

608
00:35:28.800 --> 00:35:31.039
February thirteen, twenty thirteen.

609
00:35:30.719 --> 00:35:31.760
In that grand jury?

610
00:35:32.079 --> 00:35:32.360
Yes?

611
00:35:32.599 --> 00:35:35.719
And when you sent the text message regarding your question

612
00:35:35.800 --> 00:35:39.079
to your lawyer about whether withdrawal of the lawsuit would

613
00:35:39.079 --> 00:35:41.440
somehow cause you to be held on perjured, what did

614
00:35:41.519 --> 00:35:42.159
you mean by that?

615
00:35:43.840 --> 00:35:46.960
Prior to that grand jury summons, I had fouled a

616
00:35:47.039 --> 00:35:51.280
loss of a civil matter against mister Hernandez. As I previously

617
00:35:51.320 --> 00:35:54.880
stated to the court, my whole objection was to try

618
00:35:54.880 --> 00:35:57.920
to figure out how to move forward with civil litigations

619
00:35:58.159 --> 00:36:01.159
but not get him charged criminally. So, being that I

620
00:36:01.199 --> 00:36:05.280
had a sworn document already, you know, a civil one

621
00:36:05.320 --> 00:36:07.760
that he shot me, I was trying to figure out

622
00:36:07.760 --> 00:36:11.000
how I could go to the grand jury and not

623
00:36:11.079 --> 00:36:13.239
have to tell him that he shot me because I

624
00:36:13.239 --> 00:36:15.719
didn't want him charge criminally. I wanted to assume him

625
00:36:15.800 --> 00:36:17.119
and deal with it in a different way.

626
00:36:17.079 --> 00:36:20.519
But understanding that having in charge criminally would in some

627
00:36:20.559 --> 00:36:22.480
way affect your settlement on a lawsuit.

628
00:36:23.119 --> 00:36:26.800
Yes, And in addition to that objection.

629
00:36:26.519 --> 00:36:34.440
Josh, all right, ladies and gentlemen, you may consider that

630
00:36:34.599 --> 00:36:38.119
only in so far as it relates to mister Bradley's

631
00:36:38.159 --> 00:36:41.639
state of mind, that is, what he was thinking or

632
00:36:41.800 --> 00:36:47.920
concerned about. References to any lawsuit or a settlement of

633
00:36:47.960 --> 00:36:51.639
a lawsuit are not relevant in any way to.

634
00:36:51.679 --> 00:36:53.239
The issues in this case.

635
00:36:53.760 --> 00:36:57.920
And you're not to draw any conclusions or inferences from

636
00:36:58.000 --> 00:37:02.159
the fact that there was a reference to some resolution

637
00:37:02.440 --> 00:37:06.320
of that lawsuit, nor are you to speculate at all

638
00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:10.840
as to what that resolution might have been. It is

639
00:37:10.960 --> 00:37:14.679
not relevant to this case, and it is not evidence

640
00:37:15.760 --> 00:37:19.280
from which you may draw any inferences in this case.

641
00:37:20.079 --> 00:37:22.800
It's just put a question just regarding your state of mind,

642
00:37:22.840 --> 00:37:26.880
mister Bradley, j asked and answer infinition.

643
00:37:26.880 --> 00:37:28.679
Answer, what's here the question.

644
00:37:28.800 --> 00:37:31.760
Just regarding your state of mind, mister Bradley, other than

645
00:37:31.840 --> 00:37:34.119
not wanting him to be charged criminally, did you have

646
00:37:34.159 --> 00:37:38.079
any other concerns regarding testifying honestly in a grand juriot

647
00:37:38.719 --> 00:37:41.440
JACKSA does been as an answer.

648
00:37:44.320 --> 00:37:50.440
Over my issue was I would, in essence perjure myself

649
00:37:50.960 --> 00:37:54.400
if I followed a civil settlement or matter saying that

650
00:37:54.519 --> 00:37:56.840
mister Hernandez shot me and then went to the grand

651
00:37:56.880 --> 00:37:59.519
jury and told him I don't know who shot me,

652
00:38:00.440 --> 00:38:02.719
which is what I was torn between, cause I didn't

653
00:38:02.719 --> 00:38:05.800
want him charged criminally, but I wanted my civil matter result.

654
00:38:07.039 --> 00:38:10.280
So that would have constituted perjury if I said one

655
00:38:10.320 --> 00:38:13.719
thing and if one sworn document and said something in another.

656
00:38:18.039 --> 00:38:21.480
And did you at some point even contemplate or intend

657
00:38:21.840 --> 00:38:23.719
to lie in the Bristol count your grand jury and

658
00:38:23.760 --> 00:38:24.239
say he did that.

659
00:38:24.320 --> 00:38:24.760
Was shot you.

660
00:38:26.239 --> 00:38:29.159
Sustain churing will disregard that question.

661
00:38:33.639 --> 00:38:36.239
And just to clarify, mister Bradley on Exhibit three eleven

662
00:38:40.119 --> 00:38:43.400
within correct me if I'm wrong, and I'm reading this correctly.

663
00:38:44.960 --> 00:38:47.719
The text about your concern about perjury.

664
00:38:47.480 --> 00:38:50.960
Giving two inconsistent statements as you've described, was that sent

665
00:38:51.079 --> 00:38:54.719
on seventy five, two thirteen at twelve thirty eight, I

666
00:38:54.800 --> 00:38:56.119
am yes it was.

667
00:38:56.480 --> 00:38:59.320
And your question about trying to get out of testifying

668
00:38:59.440 --> 00:39:01.199
the grand jury, how much longer was that?

669
00:39:01.320 --> 00:39:02.519
How much later after that was that.

670
00:39:02.599 --> 00:39:09.920
Scent It appears to say twelve forty two minutes?

671
00:39:14.840 --> 00:39:18.719
And mister Bradley asked a number of questions about the

672
00:39:18.840 --> 00:39:22.199
phone and your consent to search the phone? Correct, You

673
00:39:22.199 --> 00:39:26.239
recall those questions correct, and in fact mister Bias showed

674
00:39:26.280 --> 00:39:27.800
you I'm not sure if this has been entered yet,

675
00:39:27.800 --> 00:39:29.920
your honor, but if not, I would ask at the

676
00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:31.679
consent one of the answer as the next number.

677
00:39:31.719 --> 00:39:34.280
You too, We do that for him? Then answered prettyous.

678
00:39:34.360 --> 00:39:36.440
We top. We don't receive that as legitiate.

679
00:39:37.880 --> 00:39:39.000
We have an dis.

680
00:39:40.800 --> 00:39:42.280
David receiving.

681
00:39:53.119 --> 00:39:56.480
If you recall it to NARS Paramedy it was shown

682
00:39:56.599 --> 00:39:59.400
but not received as an exibit, we will receive that.

683
00:40:03.920 --> 00:40:05.000
Think at three twelve.

684
00:40:17.760 --> 00:40:21.719
It was di rectly just to clarify UH timeframe placing

685
00:40:21.719 --> 00:40:23.280
on the screen with spinancial az you give it number

686
00:40:23.360 --> 00:40:28.760
three twelve. That's the UH consent to search that was

687
00:40:28.960 --> 00:40:31.320
shown in reference by mister Bias during cross examination.

688
00:40:31.440 --> 00:40:32.159
Right, correct?

689
00:40:32.639 --> 00:40:34.719
And that the date that this is signed is in

690
00:40:34.800 --> 00:40:37.559
September of two thousand and fourteen, is that right?

691
00:40:37.760 --> 00:40:42.840
That is correct? And in this document you agree.

692
00:40:43.599 --> 00:40:46.519
To relinquish full custod and control of the item and

693
00:40:46.559 --> 00:40:47.320
its contents.

694
00:40:47.719 --> 00:40:48.880
Tell me if I'm reading this correctly.

695
00:40:48.960 --> 00:40:52.519
I also acknowledge that I'm involuntarily relinquishing all any expectation

696
00:40:52.639 --> 00:40:55.719
or privacy and cellular or phone and it's contents. You

697
00:40:55.760 --> 00:40:59.679
basically give the Boston Police the permission above to conduct

698
00:40:59.679 --> 00:41:02.320
the full forensic search of the phone as well, exactly.

699
00:41:02.000 --> 00:41:03.960
Correct, that's correct, recover and.

700
00:41:03.960 --> 00:41:07.400
Download any and all digital data and files contained therein.

701
00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:08.559
That is correct.

702
00:41:08.840 --> 00:41:11.800
And mister Bradley, this are you aware of how this

703
00:41:11.920 --> 00:41:14.559
phone was found and how it was that you came

704
00:41:14.639 --> 00:41:15.480
to give that consent?

705
00:41:16.320 --> 00:41:17.400
How and when it was found.

706
00:41:18.639 --> 00:41:20.760
I can't remember the exact date, but I believe it was.

707
00:41:21.599 --> 00:41:24.239
I know it was recovered by my daughter's mother.

708
00:41:26.280 --> 00:41:29.000
And seeing the date on the form of September tenth,

709
00:41:29.039 --> 00:41:31.400
twenty fourteen, do you believe it was found.

710
00:41:31.199 --> 00:41:31.880
Around that date?

711
00:41:32.480 --> 00:41:33.719
Yes, it was close to that date.

712
00:41:34.239 --> 00:41:38.760
And once that phone was recovered. What was your state

713
00:41:38.800 --> 00:41:40.320
of mind about the recovery of the phone?

714
00:41:41.239 --> 00:41:43.599
Gosh, that's well, it's a stream.

715
00:41:44.400 --> 00:41:47.880
Well did you make any have any communications with your

716
00:41:48.000 --> 00:41:51.920
child's mother, Brooke Wilcox, regarding what you wanted done with

717
00:41:51.960 --> 00:41:59.519
that phone? Seriously a stream, mister Bradley, What did you

718
00:41:59.559 --> 00:42:01.320
want with the phone when you found it?

719
00:42:03.599 --> 00:42:05.719
Well, when the phone was found, I didn't have a

720
00:42:05.719 --> 00:42:06.920
problem with her turning it over.

721
00:42:07.800 --> 00:42:09.440
Did you want her to turn over to the police.

722
00:42:09.760 --> 00:42:15.559
Sexy goes we went no. You may answer that yes,

723
00:42:15.639 --> 00:42:16.119
swore no.

724
00:42:18.360 --> 00:42:21.840
Yes, And in fact, on jail calls at around that time,

725
00:42:22.239 --> 00:42:24.639
do you recall whether or not you were excited or

726
00:42:24.840 --> 00:42:25.920
not excited.

727
00:42:25.519 --> 00:42:27.199
When she told you she found the phone?

728
00:42:27.079 --> 00:42:34.000
Substein didn't both to strike Dury will disregard that question.

729
00:42:34.400 --> 00:42:39.000
Shortly after the police will strike that shortly after miss

730
00:42:39.039 --> 00:42:41.239
Wilcox advised you that she found the phone.

731
00:42:41.360 --> 00:42:43.639
Did Boston Police homicide detectives come speak to you?

732
00:42:44.480 --> 00:42:44.800
Yes?

733
00:42:45.079 --> 00:42:47.039
And did they have you signed a consent form that's

734
00:42:47.039 --> 00:42:48.519
been entered as Exhibit three twelve.

735
00:42:49.000 --> 00:42:49.360
Yes?

736
00:42:50.719 --> 00:42:54.039
Prior to sign that consent form, did the detectives threaten you,

737
00:42:54.440 --> 00:42:56.679
coerce you, or do anything to.

738
00:42:56.599 --> 00:42:58.239
Cause you to execute that waiver?

739
00:42:59.079 --> 00:42:59.239
No?

740
00:42:59.559 --> 00:43:03.480
Did you voluntarily relinquish all rights to that cell phone

741
00:43:03.519 --> 00:43:06.079
and allow the police to download every single piece.

742
00:43:05.880 --> 00:43:06.559
Of data on it?

743
00:43:07.079 --> 00:43:07.719
Yes? I did.

744
00:43:07.880 --> 00:43:10.760
Did you provide any restrictions of things you wouldn't let

745
00:43:10.840 --> 00:43:11.360
them download?

746
00:43:11.360 --> 00:43:12.480
Didn't want them to download?

747
00:43:12.960 --> 00:43:13.119
None?

748
00:43:13.199 --> 00:43:15.519
What the weeb in the fact, mister Bradley, did you

749
00:43:15.559 --> 00:43:20.079
also yes or Nossis the police in determining what the

750
00:43:20.119 --> 00:43:21.320
past code was for that point?

751
00:43:21.320 --> 00:43:24.440
If you remember, I believe I tried to do it,

752
00:43:24.480 --> 00:43:25.079
says yes.

753
00:43:28.440 --> 00:43:30.440
And when you did that, mister Bradley, did you know

754
00:43:30.920 --> 00:43:34.519
that some communications between you and your attorney, mister Pickering

755
00:43:34.599 --> 00:43:35.960
were included on the cell phone.

756
00:43:36.360 --> 00:43:37.320
Yes, I did.

757
00:43:38.599 --> 00:43:40.960
And just by way of timing, mister Bradley, because I

758
00:43:41.000 --> 00:43:43.159
believe mister Bias asked your number of questions on cross

759
00:43:43.159 --> 00:43:50.360
examination about timing. This was in September of twenty fourteen, correct, correct?

760
00:43:50.360 --> 00:43:52.119
And when was it that you entered into your agreement

761
00:43:52.400 --> 00:43:57.280
if you remember some time in twenty thirteen October eight,

762
00:43:57.320 --> 00:43:58.880
twenty thirteen.

763
00:43:58.880 --> 00:44:01.920
Does that sound eighteenth? I believe, yes, correct.

764
00:44:02.920 --> 00:44:05.239
And mister Bias asked your a number of questions about

765
00:44:05.519 --> 00:44:09.159
the text messages where you you recall the text messages

766
00:44:09.280 --> 00:44:11.719
questions that mister Bias asked you correct, correct, And I

767
00:44:11.760 --> 00:44:14.079
believe you asked you questions about the text message which

768
00:44:14.119 --> 00:44:17.159
is where you referred to certain weaponry, certain types of

769
00:44:17.199 --> 00:44:19.559
guns and those things. You recall those questions, mister Bias

770
00:44:19.559 --> 00:44:22.519
asked you, yes, And then mister Bias also asked you

771
00:44:23.119 --> 00:44:28.840
whether or not your deal was deemed void after the

772
00:44:28.880 --> 00:44:30.719
Commonwealth received those text messages.

773
00:44:30.760 --> 00:44:33.760
You recall that, yes, I do, and in fact.

774
00:44:33.599 --> 00:44:35.960
It's it fair to state that those text messages were

775
00:44:35.960 --> 00:44:39.360
not even uncovered until after September twenty fourteen, when you

776
00:44:39.440 --> 00:44:40.480
turned over your phone.

777
00:44:40.360 --> 00:44:42.320
Voluntarily, That is correct.

778
00:44:42.639 --> 00:44:45.400
And did you turn over your phone voluntarily knowing that

779
00:44:45.440 --> 00:44:48.960
you had the text messages between you and mister Hernandez, Yes?

780
00:44:49.000 --> 00:44:49.360
I did.

781
00:44:53.639 --> 00:44:56.599
Now, just a few questions, mister Bradley about your cooperation

782
00:44:56.679 --> 00:45:01.000
agreement that was referenced repeatedly by mister Bias. I'm first

783
00:45:01.159 --> 00:45:04.400
regarding the timing of it. I believe mister Bias asked

784
00:45:04.400 --> 00:45:09.360
you questions about the profit on October eighth, twenty and thirteen.

785
00:45:09.480 --> 00:45:12.159
Do you recall those questions or do you recall being

786
00:45:12.199 --> 00:45:12.800
asked about that?

787
00:45:12.920 --> 00:45:13.159
Yes?

788
00:45:13.199 --> 00:45:16.119
I do, and I believe you testified that that was

789
00:45:16.159 --> 00:45:19.159
when you signed the agreement and then gave a tape

790
00:45:19.159 --> 00:45:19.880
recorded statement.

791
00:45:19.920 --> 00:45:20.440
Is that correct?

792
00:45:21.599 --> 00:45:23.880
Yes? I gave you a tape recorded statement on the eighth.

793
00:45:24.199 --> 00:45:26.159
Is that right? I believe that's correct.

794
00:45:26.719 --> 00:45:29.800
But on the eighth, after you gave your statement, did

795
00:45:29.800 --> 00:45:32.000
you have a as mister Bias kept referring to it,

796
00:45:32.039 --> 00:45:33.119
did you have a deal yet?

797
00:45:33.960 --> 00:45:34.159
No?

798
00:45:35.079 --> 00:45:36.599
Is it fair to state that you didn't have a deal?

799
00:45:36.719 --> 00:45:38.559
Object to the beating. I've let it go off.

800
00:45:38.599 --> 00:45:41.840
A little bit, but please fee complete the wings.

801
00:45:42.519 --> 00:45:45.679
When was it that you ultimately had the deal so

802
00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:50.280
to speak on the eighteenth, ten days later? Correct?

803
00:45:50.599 --> 00:45:50.719
Now?

804
00:45:50.760 --> 00:45:55.159
Mister Bias asked the number of questions about the portion

805
00:45:59.199 --> 00:46:03.199
of Exhibit number umber three to ZHO one, specifically paragraph

806
00:46:03.400 --> 00:46:08.079
number two, talking about the satisfaction of the district Attorney

807
00:46:08.519 --> 00:46:11.159
that mister Bradley was not the individual who fired the weapon,

808
00:46:11.639 --> 00:46:16.400
and that upon satisfaction the district Attorney, that the common

809
00:46:16.400 --> 00:46:19.519
Wealth agreed to apply for judicial immunity prior to you

810
00:46:19.599 --> 00:46:20.559
testifying before.

811
00:46:20.360 --> 00:46:20.920
The grand jury.

812
00:46:20.960 --> 00:46:21.480
Is that correct?

813
00:46:22.360 --> 00:46:22.960
That's correct?

814
00:46:23.679 --> 00:46:26.639
Now as far as the satisfaction of the district attorney,

815
00:46:26.639 --> 00:46:29.559
mister Bradley, is it fair to state or what is

816
00:46:29.599 --> 00:46:33.639
your knowledgeist to when the district Attorney was satisfied allowing

817
00:46:33.639 --> 00:46:34.800
you to testify.

818
00:46:34.400 --> 00:46:36.199
Before the grand jury be given immunity?

819
00:46:36.519 --> 00:46:37.960
What date on to eighteenth?

820
00:46:38.119 --> 00:46:39.039
So ten days.

821
00:46:38.840 --> 00:46:41.960
Later, ten days after I came in profit and.

822
00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:45.599
Just to clarify on judicial immunity, mister Bradley, mister Bias

823
00:46:45.599 --> 00:46:49.119
asked a number of questions suggesting to you that at

824
00:46:49.159 --> 00:46:51.519
any point if the Commonwealth or if the District Attorney

825
00:46:51.599 --> 00:46:54.559
was dissatisfied with your answers or felt that you were

826
00:46:55.119 --> 00:46:57.760
not truthful, that your immunity could be revoked.

827
00:46:57.760 --> 00:46:58.760
You call those questions.

828
00:47:00.039 --> 00:47:00.400
Repeat that.

829
00:47:00.440 --> 00:47:04.320
Please do recall mister Bias suggesting that your deal of

830
00:47:04.400 --> 00:47:07.400
having judicial immunity could in some way be pulled back

831
00:47:07.480 --> 00:47:09.639
by the district attorney if they felt that, if the

832
00:47:09.639 --> 00:47:12.159
district attorney felt you were not being honest.

833
00:47:11.840 --> 00:47:13.400
And truthful, you recall those questions.

834
00:47:13.559 --> 00:47:14.119
Yes, I do.

835
00:47:15.079 --> 00:47:18.079
Even if you took the witness stand and testified under

836
00:47:18.079 --> 00:47:21.679
oath that somebody other than the defendant Aaron Hernandez shot

837
00:47:21.719 --> 00:47:24.360
and killed Daniel der Brayer and Surferra for Tata, could

838
00:47:24.360 --> 00:47:25.679
you be prosecuted for murder?

839
00:47:25.920 --> 00:47:26.599
Absolutely?

840
00:47:27.679 --> 00:47:29.119
You think you could it?

841
00:47:29.960 --> 00:47:32.559
Repeat it? If I took the standing prosecuted as someone

842
00:47:32.599 --> 00:47:36.239
else other than mister Hernandez, yes, committed to murder.

843
00:47:36.599 --> 00:47:38.320
Well, let me ask you another question, mister brother. What

844
00:47:38.400 --> 00:47:41.840
is your understanding of immunity? Is it once you're giving it,

845
00:47:41.880 --> 00:47:43.920
you have it for the duration, or do you think

846
00:47:43.960 --> 00:47:44.639
it's conditional.

847
00:47:45.719 --> 00:47:48.559
I'm my understanding is that you have it unless you lie.

848
00:47:49.559 --> 00:47:51.559
So unless you lie, then you could be prosecuted for

849
00:47:51.599 --> 00:47:55.599
what for perjury? But that's it perjury?

850
00:47:55.599 --> 00:47:55.960
Correct?

851
00:47:56.440 --> 00:47:56.800
Correct?

852
00:47:59.159 --> 00:48:01.800
And as in your state of mind, and also again

853
00:48:01.920 --> 00:48:05.599
his honors instructions, just calling your attention to mister Bias's questions,

854
00:48:05.599 --> 00:48:08.719
I believe yesterday perhaps this morning, about the fact that

855
00:48:08.760 --> 00:48:11.360
you admitted to getting the gun and whether or not

856
00:48:11.400 --> 00:48:13.760
you were prosecuted for that, or whether or not the

857
00:48:13.920 --> 00:48:15.280
Commonwealth pulled its agreement.

858
00:48:15.280 --> 00:48:17.519
You recall those questions, mister Bias, Yes, I do.

859
00:48:17.960 --> 00:48:21.079
But were you compelled to testify about that in the

860
00:48:21.119 --> 00:48:23.239
grand jury pursuing to your immunity agreement?

861
00:48:23.840 --> 00:48:24.920
Did you testify about that?

862
00:48:25.119 --> 00:48:25.880
Yes, I did.

863
00:48:34.480 --> 00:48:34.559
So.

864
00:48:34.800 --> 00:48:35.719
Mister Bradley, what is.

865
00:48:35.679 --> 00:48:41.119
Your understanding as to you having to satisfy the prosecution

866
00:48:41.559 --> 00:48:44.000
in order to get the benefit of immunity.

867
00:48:44.599 --> 00:48:47.880
It's my understanding that it's not my job to satisfy anyone.

868
00:48:47.920 --> 00:48:49.440
It's my job to just state the facts.

869
00:48:51.920 --> 00:48:54.000
So we're gonna move on to some of the factual

870
00:48:54.119 --> 00:48:56.719
questions that mister Bias had asked you. He most recently

871
00:48:56.719 --> 00:48:59.599
asked you about the Forerunner and when the last time

872
00:48:59.719 --> 00:49:00.599
was that saw it.

873
00:49:00.920 --> 00:49:01.800
What's your best.

874
00:49:01.599 --> 00:49:04.679
Memory as to in relation to the early morning hours

875
00:49:04.679 --> 00:49:07.239
of July sixteen, twenty twelve, when the last time you

876
00:49:07.280 --> 00:49:08.119
saw that Forerunner?

877
00:49:08.280 --> 00:49:12.719
Was My last memory of that forerunner was miss Singleton

878
00:49:13.480 --> 00:49:16.960
taking a forerunner from the residence on forty seven Newberry Street,

879
00:49:17.800 --> 00:49:18.480
And that was it.

880
00:49:18.960 --> 00:49:22.760
And just to clarify timing wise, was it after that

881
00:49:22.800 --> 00:49:25.360
point that you had a conversation with the defendant that

882
00:49:25.360 --> 00:49:28.360
you previously testified to regarding what he had asked Timmy

883
00:49:28.400 --> 00:49:29.199
to do with the car?

884
00:49:29.440 --> 00:49:30.159
Was it after that?

885
00:49:32.239 --> 00:49:35.280
No, the car was removed prior to me having a

886
00:49:35.280 --> 00:49:36.480
conversation with him about that.

887
00:49:36.519 --> 00:49:38.639
Right, So the car was removed and then you subsequently

888
00:49:38.639 --> 00:49:41.280
had a conversation with her about her doing something to

889
00:49:41.320 --> 00:49:41.679
the car.

890
00:49:41.760 --> 00:49:42.159
Correct?

891
00:49:42.280 --> 00:49:43.480
What was that that he asked her to do with

892
00:49:43.480 --> 00:49:44.840
the car? I told you he asked her to do

893
00:49:44.920 --> 00:49:45.360
with the car.

894
00:49:45.559 --> 00:49:48.039
He wanted her to clean it and then hide it.

895
00:49:49.079 --> 00:49:52.679
And then mister Bias asked you or he actually read

896
00:49:52.719 --> 00:49:55.400
a portion of a transcript where you referenced.

897
00:49:55.079 --> 00:49:56.639
The stadium incident with the car.

898
00:49:56.880 --> 00:49:59.199
And just to clarify for the jurors, what incident was

899
00:49:59.199 --> 00:50:02.239
that and what's your recollections to when that conversation took place.

900
00:50:03.480 --> 00:50:06.280
I don't remember exactly, but I recalled mister Hernandez saying

901
00:50:06.320 --> 00:50:10.119
that someone came to get the car that I believe

902
00:50:10.119 --> 00:50:13.559
it was the car dealer, and that he told him

903
00:50:13.599 --> 00:50:16.440
to leave, that he was upstairs. I guess they called

904
00:50:16.480 --> 00:50:18.239
him and told him they were downstairs to get the truck,

905
00:50:18.639 --> 00:50:19.599
and he told him to leave.

906
00:50:20.400 --> 00:50:23.079
And did he tell you why he did that? He

907
00:50:23.119 --> 00:50:26.119
didn't want them to have the car? Did he think

908
00:50:26.159 --> 00:50:26.880
they were somebody?

909
00:50:27.199 --> 00:50:27.440
Yes?

910
00:50:27.480 --> 00:50:28.440
He thought it was the police.

911
00:50:28.960 --> 00:50:30.360
So was this conversation that.

912
00:50:30.360 --> 00:50:35.119
Sent us also speculation in the swing? All right?

913
00:50:35.159 --> 00:50:37.679
What did did he tell you? What he thought? Who

914
00:50:37.679 --> 00:50:39.360
they thought they were? Who he thought they were?

915
00:50:39.599 --> 00:50:39.840
Yes?

916
00:50:40.159 --> 00:50:41.719
Who did he say that he thought they were? He

917
00:50:41.760 --> 00:50:43.400
told me he thought it was police coming to get

918
00:50:43.400 --> 00:50:43.679
the car.

919
00:50:44.480 --> 00:50:47.760
And this conversation was this after July sixteen, twenty twelve.

920
00:50:48.719 --> 00:50:51.440
I believe it may have been.

921
00:50:51.599 --> 00:50:51.840
Yes.

922
00:51:01.639 --> 00:51:04.119
Now, you're asked a number of questions by mister Bias

923
00:51:04.119 --> 00:51:07.280
where he showed you certain travel documents, and I believe

924
00:51:07.320 --> 00:51:09.639
the heading on the top was lux Travel. You remember

925
00:51:09.639 --> 00:51:12.519
those questions and seeing those documents? Yes, I do, and

926
00:51:12.559 --> 00:51:14.599
I believe mister Bradley correct me if you're wrong. But

927
00:51:14.639 --> 00:51:18.599
you did authenticate? Yes, that's your name on the travel documents. Correct, Yes,

928
00:51:18.639 --> 00:51:18.920
I did.

929
00:51:19.000 --> 00:51:22.199
Did you make those travel arrangements? No? Were those tickets

930
00:51:22.199 --> 00:51:22.840
you purchased?

931
00:51:23.079 --> 00:51:23.159
No?

932
00:51:23.320 --> 00:51:25.960
Mister Hernandez called me and told me to give him

933
00:51:26.000 --> 00:51:29.239
my first name and my information so his flight lady

934
00:51:29.400 --> 00:51:31.159
could book the flights for us and.

935
00:51:31.159 --> 00:51:33.760
His flight lady. Do you know what company they booked

936
00:51:33.760 --> 00:51:36.440
flights through? No, I don't, but Lux Travel. Is that

937
00:51:36.719 --> 00:51:39.000
a travel agency you've ever used personally?

938
00:51:39.119 --> 00:51:43.199
No, I've never heard of him till today.

939
00:51:44.519 --> 00:51:47.360
Now, you're asked a number of questions by mister Bias

940
00:51:47.400 --> 00:51:50.159
about the phones that you had, your phone records, and

941
00:51:50.199 --> 00:51:53.119
the fact that you had two phones. You recall those questions, Yes,

942
00:51:53.159 --> 00:51:54.760
I do, and I believe in response to one of

943
00:51:54.800 --> 00:51:57.960
mister Bias's questions, you said, I can tell you who

944
00:51:58.000 --> 00:52:01.639
had my phone and what the circumstances were in and

945
00:52:01.679 --> 00:52:03.679
around February thirteenth, twenty thirteen.

946
00:52:03.719 --> 00:52:06.039
Do you recall giving that answer, Yes, I do, explain

947
00:52:06.079 --> 00:52:06.599
what you meant.

948
00:52:07.480 --> 00:52:09.559
The seven two sixth number that he was indicated, well,

949
00:52:09.599 --> 00:52:12.280
a six zero seven two six number was in Connecticut

950
00:52:12.320 --> 00:52:14.960
at the time I had it. I had left it

951
00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:16.960
with a friend of mine so he could proceed with

952
00:52:17.039 --> 00:52:18.960
my business while I was in.

953
00:52:18.880 --> 00:52:24.079
Florida, and the phone calls purportedly, at least from what

954
00:52:24.119 --> 00:52:26.039
mister Bias showed you from the exhibit, I believe it

955
00:52:26.079 --> 00:52:29.760
was perhaps two ninety four. The phone calls to mister

956
00:52:29.800 --> 00:52:33.280
Henders's phone on February thirteenth, two thousand and thirteen.

957
00:52:34.199 --> 00:52:35.960
Do you know what the nature of those calls were?

958
00:52:36.760 --> 00:52:36.960
Yes?

959
00:52:37.119 --> 00:52:40.679
That was from my friend who had my phone in Connecticut.

960
00:52:41.239 --> 00:52:43.840
And those phone calls. Did those happen after you were shot?

961
00:52:45.440 --> 00:52:46.559
Were around the time you were shot?

962
00:52:46.760 --> 00:52:46.920
Yes?

963
00:52:46.960 --> 00:52:47.480
I believe so.

964
00:52:47.880 --> 00:52:49.239
Did you make those phone calls?

965
00:52:49.360 --> 00:52:50.400
Absolutely? Not so.

966
00:52:50.440 --> 00:52:52.760
When mister Bias asked you repeatedly if you had two

967
00:52:52.760 --> 00:52:55.079
phones in Florida, did you have two or did you

968
00:52:55.079 --> 00:52:55.400
have one?

969
00:52:55.480 --> 00:52:57.360
It for it at no point that I have two

970
00:52:57.360 --> 00:52:57.760
phones in.

971
00:52:57.760 --> 00:53:02.440
Florida to the eight six? So and what was the

972
00:53:02.440 --> 00:53:03.599
other prefix?

973
00:53:04.400 --> 00:53:07.639
I believe it was? It had to be there nine?

974
00:53:07.960 --> 00:53:10.440
Oh you mean which one was the one up in Connecticut?

975
00:53:10.599 --> 00:53:12.679
Seven two s eighteen zero seven two six? I can't

976
00:53:12.679 --> 00:53:13.800
remember the other four digits.

977
00:53:13.840 --> 00:53:15.320
The one I had seven two six was the one

978
00:53:15.320 --> 00:53:15.920
in Connecticut?

979
00:53:16.039 --> 00:53:16.400
Correct?

980
00:53:17.239 --> 00:53:19.000
And I believe you were also asked some questions by

981
00:53:19.079 --> 00:53:22.440
mister Bias regarding your phone itself and and whether or

982
00:53:22.480 --> 00:53:24.800
not it was lost. But did do you know what

983
00:53:24.840 --> 00:53:28.920
happened to your phone? In particular at Tootsi's no. Did

984
00:53:29.000 --> 00:53:30.800
do you know for a fact that you left it behind?

985
00:53:30.840 --> 00:53:32.199
Or do you do you know whether or not somebody

986
00:53:32.280 --> 00:53:32.880
may have taken it?

987
00:53:33.519 --> 00:53:35.239
I know for a fact that I left it behind,

988
00:53:35.280 --> 00:53:37.599
and I don't know after that point what happened.

989
00:53:37.920 --> 00:53:40.000
Did anybody ever return the phone to you?

990
00:53:40.039 --> 00:54:06.360
No, sir, Now, Miss mister Bradley or also asked some

991
00:54:06.480 --> 00:54:10.760
questions by mister Biaz regarding your testimony. I believe it

992
00:54:10.760 --> 00:54:14.760
was in your August or I'm sorry, October eighth, twenty

993
00:54:14.800 --> 00:54:18.800
and thirteen statement regarding the car ride from mats Housts

994
00:54:18.800 --> 00:54:20.800
to Connecticut, taking about two and a half.

995
00:54:20.599 --> 00:54:22.440
Hours of your call those questions, Yes, I do.

996
00:54:22.639 --> 00:54:25.559
I believe mister Bias ready a portion of your answer

997
00:54:26.440 --> 00:54:29.519
where he read back to you that you thought, object.

998
00:54:30.880 --> 00:54:31.559
That's not so long?

999
00:54:31.599 --> 00:54:38.960
Put the question what is your recollection of what you

1000
00:54:39.079 --> 00:54:42.159
told detectives as far as how long the car ride took?

1001
00:54:44.719 --> 00:54:47.320
I don't recall exactly how long I said to Carrid too.

1002
00:54:48.519 --> 00:54:52.519
And did you ever described to detectives in October of

1003
00:54:52.559 --> 00:54:55.800
twenty thirteen whether or not you had gotten lost?

1004
00:54:56.880 --> 00:54:58.719
Yes, I said that I believe we may have gotten

1005
00:54:58.760 --> 00:55:00.119
lost along the way.

1006
00:55:00.239 --> 00:55:03.480
In addition, to getting lost, mister Bradley, did you also

1007
00:55:03.519 --> 00:55:06.800
indicate the detectives at her around the same time describing

1008
00:55:06.800 --> 00:55:09.599
how long it took as to whether or not you were.

1009
00:55:09.480 --> 00:55:13.679
Always to the leading rephrage?

1010
00:55:14.480 --> 00:55:16.400
Did you all in addition to getting lost, did you

1011
00:55:16.440 --> 00:55:19.119
also describe whether or not you were planning to go

1012
00:55:19.199 --> 00:55:20.599
somewhere else other than Connecticut?

1013
00:55:21.400 --> 00:55:30.239
It's amused to lead, not over ruled, go ahead, so

1014
00:55:30.320 --> 00:55:31.159
you can answer yes.

1015
00:55:31.280 --> 00:55:33.440
I indicated at one point I believe we were gonna

1016
00:55:33.440 --> 00:55:39.360
go to Plainville originally, which was his old residence, based.

1017
00:55:39.159 --> 00:55:42.440
Upon the initial intention to go to Plainville, mister Bradley,

1018
00:55:42.719 --> 00:55:45.000
did that change your root at all back to Connecticut?

1019
00:55:45.360 --> 00:55:47.000
Yes, that would have rerouted us.

1020
00:55:48.480 --> 00:55:49.000
Would you have.

1021
00:55:48.960 --> 00:55:51.880
Gotten on different highways to go to Plainville for those who.

1022
00:55:51.679 --> 00:55:52.800
May not know where Plainville is?

1023
00:55:53.079 --> 00:56:03.920
Yes to Bidley were also asked a number of questions

1024
00:56:03.960 --> 00:56:07.760
on cross examination by mister Bias regarding whether you heard

1025
00:56:07.800 --> 00:56:09.440
six shots or five shots.

1026
00:56:09.679 --> 00:56:11.320
Do you recall those series of questions?

1027
00:56:11.519 --> 00:56:14.079
Yes, I do, and I believe you indicated on a

1028
00:56:14.199 --> 00:56:17.599
cross examination that when you testified before the grand jury,

1029
00:56:17.679 --> 00:56:18.800
you said how many shots?

1030
00:56:19.840 --> 00:56:24.559
In the grand jury, I recall seeing five shots, and

1031
00:56:24.599 --> 00:56:25.239
I believe.

1032
00:56:24.960 --> 00:56:28.039
Mister Bias called your attention to your initial statement on

1033
00:56:28.119 --> 00:56:32.360
October eighth, twenty and thirteen, where he read a portion

1034
00:56:32.480 --> 00:56:35.840
to you that said about six shots or something to

1035
00:56:35.880 --> 00:56:36.280
that effect.

1036
00:56:36.280 --> 00:56:40.519
You recall that line, that's not what the transcript means.

1037
00:56:41.559 --> 00:56:43.599
What question, what is your recollection as to what you

1038
00:56:43.639 --> 00:56:47.360
said on October eighth, Jackual Judge, I would ask that

1039
00:56:47.440 --> 00:56:49.480
you used the actual transcript instead of trying.

1040
00:56:50.719 --> 00:56:56.880
Then the witness may answer that question.

1041
00:56:58.920 --> 00:57:00.719
I can't. I don't know if it is exactly on

1042
00:57:00.800 --> 00:57:02.760
the eighth, but I know at one point I said

1043
00:57:02.800 --> 00:57:03.880
five or six shots?

1044
00:57:04.440 --> 00:57:06.639
And what if any confusion was there for you as

1045
00:57:06.639 --> 00:57:07.760
to five or six shots?

1046
00:57:08.119 --> 00:57:09.239
Coction Judge.

1047
00:57:10.519 --> 00:57:12.960
Over old question about with Satan, I would ask that

1048
00:57:13.079 --> 00:57:15.400
he used the actual transfers.

1049
00:57:15.840 --> 00:57:18.760
Repeat the question, please, mister Hay the long pole with

1050
00:57:18.840 --> 00:57:21.920
your overruled.

1051
00:57:22.360 --> 00:57:25.239
What if any confusion was there between five or six

1052
00:57:25.239 --> 00:57:26.280
shots initially for you?

1053
00:57:26.320 --> 00:57:30.920
Sir Well, I would guess that I just know that

1054
00:57:30.920 --> 00:57:33.400
that that type of gun holds six shots.

1055
00:57:33.960 --> 00:57:37.360
So did you hear any noises after the shots were fired?

1056
00:57:37.559 --> 00:57:39.440
Yes, I heard clicking noises and.

1057
00:57:40.280 --> 00:57:42.800
Just based upon if you know what noise does a

1058
00:57:42.840 --> 00:57:45.880
gun make when it's empty a revolver and you continue

1059
00:57:45.880 --> 00:57:46.639
to pull the trigger.

1060
00:57:46.960 --> 00:57:49.280
It makes a clicking noise when the gun's empty, when

1061
00:57:49.280 --> 00:57:50.039
the chamber is empty.

1062
00:57:51.320 --> 00:57:53.800
But ultimately, mister Bradley, you've already testified to this. You

1063
00:57:54.119 --> 00:57:56.400
testified in the Grand jury to hearing five shots?

1064
00:57:56.440 --> 00:57:56.760
Correct?

1065
00:57:57.199 --> 00:57:57.639
Correct?

1066
00:57:57.719 --> 00:58:01.280
Did anybody prior to you testifying in the Grand jury,

1067
00:58:01.719 --> 00:58:05.440
whether it be police or prosecutors or anybody, suggest any

1068
00:58:05.480 --> 00:58:09.679
significance whatsoever to five shots versus six shots? Was there

1069
00:58:09.719 --> 00:58:13.719
any conversation at all regarding five shots versus six shots

1070
00:58:13.719 --> 00:58:18.400
from prosecutors or detectives prior to you going to grand jury?

1071
00:58:18.519 --> 00:58:19.679
In your mind?

1072
00:58:19.960 --> 00:58:23.400
Was there any significance whatsoever to five shots or six

1073
00:58:23.400 --> 00:58:25.320
shots before testifying the Grand jury?

1074
00:58:26.159 --> 00:58:27.519
In your mind?

1075
00:58:28.400 --> 00:58:28.639
Well?

1076
00:58:30.199 --> 00:58:33.039
Well, I mean, let me rephrase the question. I think

1077
00:58:33.039 --> 00:58:36.079
I was a little confusing my answer. Did you think

1078
00:58:36.440 --> 00:58:39.280
that it was more important for the case to say

1079
00:58:39.320 --> 00:58:40.719
five shots rather than six shots?

1080
00:58:40.719 --> 00:58:46.079
When you testified in the Grand jury? Population con.

1081
00:58:47.800 --> 00:58:48.719
I'll show you what should I.

1082
00:58:50.400 --> 00:58:54.119
Area in October twenty and thirteen to their being five

1083
00:58:54.159 --> 00:58:55.639
shots fired from the gun?

1084
00:58:56.000 --> 00:59:00.000
In your mind? Was there any significance to their being

1085
00:59:00.239 --> 00:59:01.679
five rather than six shots?

1086
00:59:03.639 --> 00:59:03.800
Oh?

1087
00:59:04.000 --> 00:59:04.800
Your mind?

1088
00:59:05.440 --> 00:59:05.639
No?

1089
00:59:06.920 --> 00:59:10.159
And had anybody told you that there was any significance to.

1090
00:59:10.079 --> 00:59:14.400
That answer, Sir stage, I think that's what's got.

1091
00:59:14.280 --> 00:59:20.199
Ready, mister Bradley, I just want to clarify a couple points.

1092
00:59:21.719 --> 00:59:37.480
Regarding your shooting in Florida.

1093
00:59:38.960 --> 00:59:41.440
Actually, while that's being one for mister Bradley, let me

1094
00:59:41.519 --> 00:59:42.679
ask you some other questions.

1095
00:59:44.000 --> 00:59:45.079
On cross examination.

1096
00:59:45.239 --> 00:59:47.440
You were shown what's now been entered as Exhibit three

1097
00:59:47.519 --> 00:59:52.519
hundred and two Zach Crexler. That is correct, and you're

1098
00:59:52.559 --> 00:59:55.880
also asked questions about whether or not you observed mister

1099
00:59:55.920 --> 00:59:56.840
Grandez ever.

1100
00:59:56.719 --> 00:59:59.840
Have this picture taken? You recall that, yes, I do,

1101
01:00:00.079 --> 01:00:01.440
and I believe your answer at one.

1102
01:00:01.400 --> 01:00:04.519
Point to one of mister Bias's questions on cross examination

1103
01:00:04.840 --> 01:00:06.639
was I wasn't babysitting him?

1104
01:00:06.639 --> 01:00:08.320
Did I write that down correctly?

1105
01:00:08.480 --> 01:00:10.960
That's accurate, and calling your attention out of the very

1106
01:00:11.000 --> 01:00:13.639
beginning of the night when, as you described to mister

1107
01:00:13.679 --> 01:00:16.599
Bias and cross examination, you went to the left side

1108
01:00:16.599 --> 01:00:18.440
of the bar, he went to the right. Was there

1109
01:00:18.440 --> 01:00:20.679
a period of time that you lost sight of mister Hernandez.

1110
01:00:20.920 --> 01:00:24.000
Yes, there was some period of time just stayed, did

1111
01:00:24.039 --> 01:00:27.039
you mostly No, let's.

1112
01:00:26.840 --> 01:00:29.880
Wrap it up, mister Bradley, was there ever a point

1113
01:00:29.960 --> 01:00:31.920
during the night when you first went into club where

1114
01:00:31.920 --> 01:00:33.880
you lost sight of mister Hernandez.

1115
01:00:34.119 --> 01:00:35.800
Actually as.

1116
01:00:39.000 --> 01:00:43.440
Well for a rule, Yes, when was that when we

1117
01:00:43.480 --> 01:00:44.599
first came down into the bar.

1118
01:00:45.079 --> 01:00:46.559
Do you know about how long it was it you

1119
01:00:46.559 --> 01:00:47.079
lost sight of it?

1120
01:00:48.639 --> 01:00:51.800
I can't exact it. No, not exactly.

1121
01:00:52.679 --> 01:00:55.760
And in fact, mister Bradley, at some point did I

1122
01:00:55.880 --> 01:00:59.480
show this photograph to you some time ago?

1123
01:01:02.159 --> 01:01:06.559
I believe you may have so stay maybe we approached

1124
01:01:06.760 --> 01:01:07.639
now there's no lead?

1125
01:01:07.760 --> 01:01:08.760
Is therey tent curler?

1126
01:01:08.960 --> 01:01:12.480
Yes, when you were showing this photograph, mister Bradley, did

1127
01:01:12.519 --> 01:01:15.639
you identify this as a photograph taken on July sixteen,

1128
01:01:15.679 --> 01:01:16.559
twenty twelve.

1129
01:01:19.400 --> 01:01:20.320
See you what sidecar?

1130
01:01:38.159 --> 01:01:38.440
Brader?

1131
01:01:38.480 --> 01:01:40.960
You asked a number of questions on cross examination about

1132
01:01:41.400 --> 01:01:42.320
the Florida shooting.

1133
01:01:42.320 --> 01:01:44.119
You recall being asked a number of questions.

1134
01:01:44.639 --> 01:01:46.800
Yes, and I just have one the screen once pinches

1135
01:01:46.840 --> 01:01:50.239
as exhibit number three hundred and ten, showing the parking

1136
01:01:50.280 --> 01:01:50.920
lot area.

1137
01:01:51.880 --> 01:01:53.800
Do you recognize this as the area where you were

1138
01:01:54.719 --> 01:01:56.480
after you were shot? You were pushed out of the

1139
01:01:56.480 --> 01:01:57.199
car in this area.

1140
01:01:57.920 --> 01:01:58.159
Yes.

1141
01:01:58.360 --> 01:02:00.679
Can you just clarify for the lazy them to the jury,

1142
01:02:00.719 --> 01:02:03.519
your best memory of when you fell out of were

1143
01:02:03.559 --> 01:02:06.400
pushed out of the car, where you landed and where you.

1144
01:02:06.320 --> 01:02:06.960
Went from there?

1145
01:02:08.440 --> 01:02:10.199
Well, I was pushed out of the car in the alley.

1146
01:02:10.239 --> 01:02:12.199
I was still further down.

1147
01:02:12.679 --> 01:02:14.119
So you were further down in the alley.

1148
01:02:14.280 --> 01:02:20.840
Yes, I believe I was. I remember that alley.

1149
01:02:21.719 --> 01:02:23.639
So place he on a scream on spineca Exhibit three

1150
01:02:23.719 --> 01:02:26.639
hundred and seven. Does that alley look familiar?

1151
01:02:26.800 --> 01:02:27.119
Yes?

1152
01:02:27.960 --> 01:02:29.800
So you believe you were pushed out there, sir?

1153
01:02:30.639 --> 01:02:33.119
Yes, right over in this area to where I rolled,

1154
01:02:33.320 --> 01:02:35.880
right to the fence. So the fence is like our

1155
01:02:36.000 --> 01:02:36.480
kind of rule.

1156
01:02:36.840 --> 01:02:39.159
Can you, using that's a touch screen in front of you,

1157
01:02:39.199 --> 01:02:42.199
mister Bradley, can you, using the touch screen show of

1158
01:02:42.280 --> 01:02:44.639
what your best recollection is of where you were pushed

1159
01:02:44.679 --> 01:02:45.599
out and where you rolled?

1160
01:02:47.639 --> 01:02:51.800
I believe, I mean, I know I was in this area,

1161
01:02:51.840 --> 01:02:54.960
but I just remember rolling making a roll to a fence,

1162
01:02:55.400 --> 01:02:58.360
like rolled over and used the fence to corl myself up.

1163
01:02:59.039 --> 01:03:00.639
And when you rolled over to use the fence to

1164
01:03:00.639 --> 01:03:03.920
pull yourself up, placing Exhibit three oh nine on the screen,

1165
01:03:04.000 --> 01:03:05.719
is that the area where you rolled.

1166
01:03:05.480 --> 01:03:07.119
Over to pull yourself up on the fence.

1167
01:03:07.360 --> 01:03:08.760
Yes.

1168
01:03:11.599 --> 01:03:14.840
Now regarding the blood stained area that was shown to

1169
01:03:14.880 --> 01:03:18.800
you and photographs by mister Bias I have on the

1170
01:03:18.840 --> 01:03:21.760
screen three ten. You indicated you weren't sure necessarily if

1171
01:03:21.800 --> 01:03:22.519
it was your blood.

1172
01:03:22.960 --> 01:03:26.400
But do you recall ever being in this area after

1173
01:03:26.440 --> 01:03:26.920
you were shot?

1174
01:03:27.920 --> 01:03:30.679
I know I was at when an ambulance. When I

1175
01:03:30.760 --> 01:03:32.679
when an ambulance pulled up, I was at the end of

1176
01:03:32.719 --> 01:03:36.880
like felt like a parking lot or a roadway, like

1177
01:03:36.960 --> 01:03:39.639
some type of alley. I just remembered it being stumbling

1178
01:03:39.639 --> 01:03:42.719
into where some pavement was and the ambulance picking me

1179
01:03:42.800 --> 01:03:43.360
up from there.

1180
01:03:46.320 --> 01:03:48.039
And do you recall whether or not you did go

1181
01:03:48.199 --> 01:03:51.360
back and forth in the alleyway as mister Bias asked you.

1182
01:03:51.400 --> 01:03:53.639
No, I don't recall it ever going like back and forth.

1183
01:03:53.679 --> 01:03:53.880
And that.

1184
01:04:02.039 --> 01:04:05.840
Now you're asking questions by mister Bias regarding the jail calls.

1185
01:04:06.239 --> 01:04:08.920
Recall those questions and the fact that you were on

1186
01:04:09.000 --> 01:04:11.639
recording indicating that you didn't know anything about the incident.

1187
01:04:11.679 --> 01:04:12.960
You recall those calls.

1188
01:04:13.079 --> 01:04:17.880
Those questions, yes, And why was it that you stated

1189
01:04:17.920 --> 01:04:19.880
you didn't know anything about the incident on the calls

1190
01:04:20.559 --> 01:04:31.719
actually was covered in the rat Now you asked a

1191
01:04:31.760 --> 01:04:34.920
number of questions by mister Bias, about City Angels, and

1192
01:04:34.920 --> 01:04:37.639
I believe at one point, in response to mister Bias's question,

1193
01:04:38.639 --> 01:04:41.199
you said that you wanted to explain.

1194
01:04:41.639 --> 01:04:43.559
What did you mean by the fact.

1195
01:04:43.400 --> 01:04:45.880
That mister Hernandez had some type of issue with people

1196
01:04:45.880 --> 01:04:47.559
who were City of Angels.

1197
01:04:47.079 --> 01:04:51.599
Clothing, the specific group of gentlemen who he felt he

1198
01:04:51.679 --> 01:04:53.639
was in conflict with or that were staring at him

1199
01:04:53.920 --> 01:04:56.159
war They all, the majority of him, had own City

1200
01:04:56.239 --> 01:04:59.599
Angels attire, just you know, the clothes they were wearing.

1201
01:05:00.599 --> 01:05:03.559
To your knowledge, mister Bradley, is City of Angels City Angels?

1202
01:05:03.880 --> 01:05:05.760
Is that a clothing line and attire?

1203
01:05:06.400 --> 01:05:06.719
Yes?

1204
01:05:06.920 --> 01:05:10.159
And that is that available to buy publicly by anybody?

1205
01:05:10.679 --> 01:05:11.000
Yes?

1206
01:05:11.599 --> 01:05:12.280
And are you you're not?

1207
01:05:12.320 --> 01:05:15.440
Are you suggesting that anyone who wears City Angels clothing

1208
01:05:15.599 --> 01:05:17.679
is associated with some group that had a problem with

1209
01:05:17.679 --> 01:05:18.559
mister Hernandez?

1210
01:05:18.679 --> 01:05:18.880
Are you?

1211
01:05:19.239 --> 01:05:21.079
Are you suggesting that you know.

1212
01:05:21.199 --> 01:05:24.039
All people that wear City Angels don't have a problem

1213
01:05:24.079 --> 01:05:29.119
with mister Hernandez. The particular group in conflict a City Angels.

1214
01:05:31.599 --> 01:05:33.920
Sir Bradley asked a number of questions on cross examination

1215
01:05:34.039 --> 01:05:37.280
about seeing the people you thought were at the Club

1216
01:05:37.400 --> 01:05:40.519
Cure at Club Capri across the street shortly after you

1217
01:05:40.519 --> 01:05:43.239
recall those questions. Yes, I do, and I believe in

1218
01:05:43.239 --> 01:05:47.280
one of responds to mister Bias's questions, you said, I

1219
01:05:47.440 --> 01:05:51.239
believe it was they looked similar to the group.

1220
01:05:51.280 --> 01:05:53.519
Do you recall saying that, recall seeing.

1221
01:05:55.199 --> 01:05:57.760
I want to cover some of the testimony that you

1222
01:05:57.920 --> 01:05:59.039
talked about yesterday.

1223
01:06:00.000 --> 01:06:01.880
I shouldn't you.

1224
01:06:02.639 --> 01:06:06.679
Agreed or act that when Tanya came to Brooks house,

1225
01:06:08.000 --> 01:06:12.199
you saw Aaron and Tanya engaging in a conversation.

1226
01:06:13.199 --> 01:06:16.079
Correct, And she came in the house.

1227
01:06:17.559 --> 01:06:20.039
I believe she may have stepped in the house, just

1228
01:06:20.039 --> 01:06:21.679
just into the house, correct, Okay.

1229
01:06:22.000 --> 01:06:25.239
And you heard Aaron say some things to her.

1230
01:06:25.760 --> 01:06:27.519
I didn't hear exactly what he was saying to her,

1231
01:06:27.599 --> 01:06:29.360
but I heard some conversation.

1232
01:06:29.679 --> 01:06:32.239
And you saw the conversation with your very own eyes, right.

1233
01:06:33.000 --> 01:06:35.320
I started to walk off as they were talking, but

1234
01:06:35.400 --> 01:06:37.360
I saw the beginning of the interaction.

1235
01:06:37.519 --> 01:06:38.599
Yes.

1236
01:06:46.000 --> 01:06:49.920
Do you recall We've gone over this a lot your

1237
01:06:50.039 --> 01:06:51.639
October eighth profer.

1238
01:06:54.440 --> 01:06:56.599
You remember that October eight, twenty thirteen.

1239
01:06:57.559 --> 01:06:59.719
Are you asking me if I remember profiting on that day? Yes?

1240
01:06:59.760 --> 01:06:59.960
I do.

1241
01:07:00.320 --> 01:07:00.800
Okay?

1242
01:07:00.960 --> 01:07:04.239
And do you remember during this prophet you swore to

1243
01:07:04.280 --> 01:07:04.840
tell the truth?

1244
01:07:06.480 --> 01:07:07.079
Yes, I do.

1245
01:07:07.199 --> 01:07:10.440
The whole truth. So, but you wanted to be truthful

1246
01:07:10.480 --> 01:07:12.360
to the police, right, yes.

1247
01:07:12.719 --> 01:07:15.519
In fact, this was after you signed your letter promising

1248
01:07:15.519 --> 01:07:17.320
the mister Hagen that you're going to tell the truth,

1249
01:07:19.079 --> 01:07:24.159
right I believe so, the whole truth, remember, complete and

1250
01:07:24.239 --> 01:07:32.880
accurate cover that, yes, okay, and nothing but the truth, yes, okay.

1251
01:07:33.079 --> 01:07:36.280
And do you remember on page seventy five, Council being

1252
01:07:36.320 --> 01:07:40.280
asked by the police did you see Tanya that day?

1253
01:07:40.719 --> 01:07:45.559
And then giving the answer no, I did not see her.

1254
01:07:46.719 --> 01:07:47.880
No, I don't recall given.

1255
01:07:47.760 --> 01:07:53.039
That agent okay, man, I approached the witness.

1256
01:08:07.280 --> 01:08:08.679
Is that refresh your recollection? Sir?

1257
01:08:11.159 --> 01:08:11.400
Yes?

1258
01:08:11.920 --> 01:08:12.480
Okay?

1259
01:08:13.119 --> 01:08:14.880
Those are your words, aren't they aren't they?

1260
01:08:14.920 --> 01:08:15.840
Sir? Yes?

1261
01:08:18.399 --> 01:08:21.760
The words that you just spoke moments ago to the

1262
01:08:21.800 --> 01:08:28.800
jury are different than these words, right, correct, Okay.

1263
01:08:31.399 --> 01:08:33.600
Now I don't want any of that again.

1264
01:08:35.159 --> 01:08:39.640
He talked yesterday about five shots, right correct.

1265
01:08:39.800 --> 01:08:40.159
Okay?

1266
01:08:40.760 --> 01:08:44.520
And you said to this jury yesterday that you told

1267
01:08:44.520 --> 01:08:47.840
the police on October eighth five or six shots.

1268
01:08:48.079 --> 01:08:49.840
You were called making that statement.

1269
01:08:50.000 --> 01:08:52.119
At a point I recalled Meganair's statement. I don't know

1270
01:08:52.119 --> 01:08:53.920
if it was in the eighth, but I recalled Megan

1271
01:08:53.920 --> 01:08:54.479
that statement.

1272
01:08:57.720 --> 01:09:01.680
Well, we're talking about specifically the eighth, because mister Hagen

1273
01:09:01.760 --> 01:09:05.880
covered the eighth versus when you went to the grand

1274
01:09:05.960 --> 01:09:06.880
jury on the eighteenth.

1275
01:09:06.920 --> 01:09:09.800
You remember that, yes, I remember him covering that.

1276
01:09:10.039 --> 01:09:11.640
Okay.

1277
01:09:12.720 --> 01:09:16.479
Do you remember being asked by the police how many

1278
01:09:16.560 --> 01:09:20.159
shots do you think were fired? And you answered, oh,

1279
01:09:20.479 --> 01:09:24.479
that gun has six bullets, so we had to fire

1280
01:09:24.560 --> 01:09:27.359
every bullet in there. How many did you hear?

1281
01:09:28.159 --> 01:09:30.920
Six? Probably six? About six?

1282
01:09:31.520 --> 01:09:34.880
You remember making those statements, yes, okay, And you remember

1283
01:09:35.720 --> 01:09:36.199
and in.

1284
01:09:36.079 --> 01:09:39.520
There those statements, the word five is never.

1285
01:09:39.359 --> 01:09:42.920
Spoken, right, not in that particular statement.

1286
01:09:43.000 --> 01:09:46.520
No, okay, So the word five is never spoken on

1287
01:09:46.640 --> 01:09:48.239
October eighth, right.

1288
01:09:49.640 --> 01:09:52.359
Not in that particular statement. If that's on October eight.

1289
01:09:52.640 --> 01:09:56.800
I understand you qualifying your answer, But on October eighth,

1290
01:09:56.920 --> 01:09:59.920
I'm specifically asking you on October eighth, when you test

1291
01:10:00.079 --> 01:10:03.520
five yesterday with mister Hagen, that that that you.

1292
01:10:03.439 --> 01:10:05.880
Had mentioned five shots, that in fact is not true.

1293
01:10:05.960 --> 01:10:07.439
Sir Jeff.

1294
01:10:08.840 --> 01:10:11.119
No, you may answer and explain your answer.

1295
01:10:13.159 --> 01:10:15.760
I'm gonna explain again. If that's what it says on

1296
01:10:15.800 --> 01:10:19.279
the eighth there, that I said six shots, then that's accurate.

1297
01:10:19.319 --> 01:10:20.159
If that's on the eighth.

1298
01:10:20.920 --> 01:10:37.840
Okay, now it finally sir, you mentioned yesterday actually one

1299
01:10:37.880 --> 01:10:42.600
you testified two days ago with mister Hagen about your

1300
01:10:43.239 --> 01:10:47.800
your activities inside the Cure lounge. You never said at all,

1301
01:10:48.000 --> 01:10:50.960
at any time that you lost sight of Aaron Hernandez.

1302
01:10:51.039 --> 01:10:51.199
Right.

1303
01:10:53.239 --> 01:10:56.000
I don't recall saying that I did or didn't. I

1304
01:10:56.079 --> 01:10:58.479
just recalled saying we went to separate ends of the bar.

1305
01:10:59.000 --> 01:11:05.399
And you said that he was close enough to where

1306
01:11:05.399 --> 01:11:05.920
I could see it.

1307
01:11:08.880 --> 01:11:15.000
Yes, okay, you never mentioned anything about a fan, right, No, sir,

1308
01:11:15.319 --> 01:11:19.000
Now yesterday, when mister Hagen questioned you.

1309
01:11:19.800 --> 01:11:23.920
About this photograph with a fan, he says he showed

1310
01:11:23.960 --> 01:11:25.520
you that photograph some time ago.

1311
01:11:26.039 --> 01:11:27.119
Can recall that question?

1312
01:11:28.720 --> 01:11:30.520
I believe I do recall him asking me that.

1313
01:11:30.800 --> 01:11:34.640
Okay, when he's when you when, uh he asked you

1314
01:11:34.720 --> 01:11:35.439
some time ago?

1315
01:11:35.600 --> 01:11:37.640
How long ago did he show you that for him?

1316
01:11:38.119 --> 01:11:41.880
I don't remember exactly. Is it a year ago? No,

1317
01:11:41.920 --> 01:11:43.079
I don't believe it was a year ago.

1318
01:11:43.119 --> 01:11:44.119
I mean I don't remember.

1319
01:11:44.039 --> 01:11:44.960
Exactly months ago.

1320
01:11:47.640 --> 01:11:50.000
Again, for the second time, I don't remember exactly how

1321
01:11:50.039 --> 01:11:50.439
long ago.

1322
01:11:50.600 --> 01:11:53.319
Okay, did mister Hagen advise you when he showed you

1323
01:11:53.319 --> 01:11:56.279
that picture that we just found that photo that dasygo

1324
01:11:56.359 --> 01:12:02.960
and turned it over to the prosecutors, sustained in that.

1325
01:12:02.960 --> 01:12:07.439
Form, you saw this photo days ago, did you not?

1326
01:12:09.640 --> 01:12:10.159
I may have?

1327
01:12:10.960 --> 01:12:13.439
Now do you remember I said, I may have?

1328
01:12:13.680 --> 01:12:16.439
Okay, you may have, yes, But a moment ago you

1329
01:12:16.439 --> 01:12:18.000
could recall how long ago.

1330
01:12:17.840 --> 01:12:21.000
It was, right, Which is the same answer. I don't

1331
01:12:21.039 --> 01:12:22.880
recall how long ago it was. I may have saw it,

1332
01:12:23.000 --> 01:12:24.279
but I don't know how long ago it was.

1333
01:12:24.479 --> 01:12:26.720
You do know the difference of being able to recall

1334
01:12:26.800 --> 01:12:31.720
something days ago versus some time ago like months right.

1335
01:12:34.920 --> 01:12:38.960
You may answer the question some time ago to me

1336
01:12:39.079 --> 01:12:41.600
is just some time ago. I mean, I didn't say

1337
01:12:41.640 --> 01:12:44.560
a year or however, at some point.

1338
01:12:44.640 --> 01:12:46.640
I know those weren't your words, there were his words.

1339
01:12:46.760 --> 01:12:48.039
I know that well.

1340
01:12:48.079 --> 01:12:51.000
My question to you is, you know the difference between

1341
01:12:51.279 --> 01:12:54.319
days ago and some time ago like months ago?

1342
01:12:54.520 --> 01:12:54.680
Right?

1343
01:12:55.840 --> 01:12:58.439
Are you distinguishing the difference between days and some time ago?

1344
01:12:58.800 --> 01:13:00.960
Yes, I'm asking you that, and you distinguish that in

1345
01:13:00.960 --> 01:13:01.399
your mind.

1346
01:13:02.399 --> 01:13:03.960
I mean, it may not be a huge difference to

1347
01:13:04.000 --> 01:13:06.159
me and some time ago in days ago, some time

1348
01:13:06.199 --> 01:13:06.840
ago could be.

1349
01:13:07.760 --> 01:13:10.560
But you don't three hours, I'm sorry, some.

1350
01:13:10.680 --> 01:13:12.880
Time ago could be three hours. Some time ago could

1351
01:13:12.920 --> 01:13:14.279
be two weeks.

1352
01:13:14.319 --> 01:13:17.239
But you don't have any recollection that's seeing that photo

1353
01:13:18.479 --> 01:13:19.039
days ago.

1354
01:13:19.600 --> 01:13:25.840
Jess answer, Uh, well, sir, if you can to your

1355
01:13:25.920 --> 01:13:29.640
betched memory, can you recall when it was that you

1356
01:13:29.720 --> 01:13:31.039
were shown that photograph?

1357
01:13:31.439 --> 01:13:35.640
Not exactly, sir, but I do recall being shown the photo, because.

1358
01:13:35.319 --> 01:13:38.720
As you testified, your memory gets better with time. Right.

1359
01:13:39.239 --> 01:13:57.319
You just sustained, now, sir, Finally, I want to ask

1360
01:13:57.359 --> 01:13:59.479
you a couple of questions, a couple more questions about

1361
01:13:59.479 --> 01:14:00.199
this text.

1362
01:14:08.520 --> 01:14:09.079
Right here?

1363
01:14:11.039 --> 01:14:14.720
You say, after I tell the truth the court the truth?

1364
01:14:15.039 --> 01:14:18.079
Can you read that final part.

1365
01:14:18.039 --> 01:14:20.479
After I tell the court the truth about me not

1366
01:14:20.560 --> 01:14:22.760
recalling anything about who shot me?

1367
01:14:23.479 --> 01:14:25.680
What are you saying to your lawyer in this text

1368
01:14:25.760 --> 01:14:27.680
about what you're going to tell the truth about.

1369
01:14:29.640 --> 01:14:32.119
I can only explain the full contact for you to understand.

1370
01:14:32.199 --> 01:14:35.439
Oh, I'm asking a specific question in this text, What

1371
01:14:35.560 --> 01:14:38.680
are you telling your lawyer in an attorney client for

1372
01:14:38.840 --> 01:14:41.800
this conversation, what you're going to tell the truth.

1373
01:14:41.600 --> 01:14:43.800
About stained in that form?

1374
01:14:44.079 --> 01:14:46.399
What are you telling your lawyer that you're going to

1375
01:14:46.399 --> 01:14:49.359
tell the truth about In this text message.

1376
01:14:49.159 --> 01:14:52.479
I'm telling my lawyer that I would be going appearing

1377
01:14:52.520 --> 01:14:53.720
at a grand jury.

1378
01:14:57.199 --> 01:14:57.319
Me.

1379
01:14:58.399 --> 01:15:01.680
You don't say anything about that. I want you to

1380
01:15:01.720 --> 01:15:04.600
specifically tell me what you're referring to the truth about

1381
01:15:05.880 --> 01:15:12.720
in that sex message.

1382
01:15:13.600 --> 01:15:15.000
I'll see you at shay by.

1383
01:15:22.000 --> 01:15:22.279
Sir.

1384
01:15:24.960 --> 01:15:27.319
In the seventeen years that you've been a drug dealer,

1385
01:15:28.279 --> 01:15:30.600
how many forensic courses have you taken?

1386
01:15:30.720 --> 01:15:31.239
Objection?

1387
01:15:31.560 --> 01:15:36.239
Stead over the last seventeen years, how many forensic courses

1388
01:15:36.279 --> 01:15:36.720
have we taken?

1389
01:15:36.720 --> 01:15:37.159
Objection?

1390
01:15:38.000 --> 01:15:40.319
If I have a basis for this question, well, it's

1391
01:15:40.399 --> 01:15:43.439
beyond the scope of redirect, but I will allow.

1392
01:15:43.079 --> 01:15:45.239
It thanks the seventeen years.

1393
01:15:45.800 --> 01:15:49.119
Well, you don't think the evidence is that the defendant

1394
01:15:49.159 --> 01:15:52.199
was drug deal the witness was drug dealer. Seventeen years,

1395
01:15:52.880 --> 01:15:55.000
it's fourteen years guiltil.

1396
01:15:54.840 --> 01:15:57.000
Right, two thousands. That's going to meet tested by two.

1397
01:15:56.840 --> 01:15:59.600
Thousands till twenty fourteen.

1398
01:16:00.640 --> 01:16:06.600
Okay, in the last fourteen years, but you were dealing drugs.

1399
01:16:06.600 --> 01:16:08.399
How many forensic courses did you take?

1400
01:16:09.439 --> 01:16:11.319
I meant never taken, ay for rigid course.

1401
01:16:11.680 --> 01:16:14.119
Have you taken any courses in digital forensics?

1402
01:16:15.199 --> 01:16:15.359
No?

1403
01:16:15.760 --> 01:16:17.880
Are you familiar with the cell bright software?

1404
01:16:19.359 --> 01:16:20.720
No, I'm not So you're.

1405
01:16:20.600 --> 01:16:25.399
Not familiar with Cellbright one point five I don't believe so. Okay,

1406
01:16:25.760 --> 01:16:29.399
you're not familiar with any extraction tools that law enforcement

1407
01:16:29.399 --> 01:16:30.239
would use correct.

1408
01:16:31.720 --> 01:16:32.439
That is correct.

1409
01:16:32.600 --> 01:16:35.680
Okay, I'm showing you exhibit.

1410
01:16:36.960 --> 01:16:37.720
BBBB.

1411
01:16:39.399 --> 01:16:49.359
This is the extraction report of your phone.

1412
01:16:51.800 --> 01:16:53.560
Do you recall yesterday.

1413
01:17:01.720 --> 01:17:02.479
A pop jize.

1414
01:17:03.560 --> 01:17:09.640
Do you recall yesterday testifying about how you voluntarily gave

1415
01:17:09.680 --> 01:17:10.880
your phone up right?

1416
01:17:12.119 --> 01:17:15.640
Yes, and you signed a waiver. Yes, you were so

1417
01:17:15.720 --> 01:17:16.840
forthcoming in that regard.

1418
01:17:17.720 --> 01:17:26.199
Okay, refreeze you were forthcoming in that regard, right, yes, Okay.

1419
01:17:26.600 --> 01:17:31.359
Now in this abstraction report, it it basically how it

1420
01:17:31.399 --> 01:17:37.560
breaks down your text messages. And do you see right

1421
01:17:37.640 --> 01:17:39.760
here where it says d.

1422
01:17:39.720 --> 01:17:43.600
E L Yes, I do, okay, And.

1423
01:17:45.000 --> 01:17:48.119
Here on this calm are the deleted messages that you

1424
01:17:48.760 --> 01:17:49.600
had on your phone.

1425
01:17:51.319 --> 01:17:51.840
Do you see?

1426
01:17:52.600 --> 01:17:54.239
I'll see you would shy fire.

1427
01:17:54.520 --> 01:17:58.960
Dish after you, after you, which.

1428
01:17:58.840 --> 01:18:00.680
Was in July.

1429
01:18:03.119 --> 01:18:07.239
Fifth, twenty thirteen, prior to giving it to the police.

1430
01:18:07.279 --> 01:18:10.920
You actually deleted that confidential message to your lord, did

1431
01:18:10.960 --> 01:18:11.640
you not, sir.

1432
01:18:13.439 --> 01:18:13.960
O O.

1433
01:18:16.560 --> 01:18:18.119
I don't recall deleting that message.

1434
01:18:18.319 --> 01:18:18.800
Okay.

1435
01:18:19.720 --> 01:18:28.600
Do you recall the leading all these messages here, jack old?

1436
01:18:28.840 --> 01:18:30.960
I don't recall the leading any message yet, okay.

1437
01:18:31.119 --> 01:18:36.039
Specifically, now, again, you've testified numerous signs you're in the

1438
01:18:36.079 --> 01:18:39.439
drug trade, right, yes, and.

1439
01:18:39.720 --> 01:18:42.039
Part of the drug trade is not leaving evidence.

1440
01:18:41.720 --> 01:18:50.800
Behind Olf hurled right, depending.

1441
01:18:51.079 --> 01:18:53.600
And fair to say, in all the years you've been

1442
01:18:53.600 --> 01:18:55.720
dealing drugs, you have to spend a great deal of

1443
01:18:55.760 --> 01:18:57.760
time in jail, have.

1444
01:18:57.800 --> 01:18:58.119
You, sir?

1445
01:19:00.640 --> 01:19:01.239
Over world?

1446
01:19:01.720 --> 01:19:02.479
That is correct?

1447
01:19:02.600 --> 01:19:04.840
Okay? Because you're smart?

1448
01:19:06.479 --> 01:19:07.600
Are you asking me if? Yes?

1449
01:19:07.680 --> 01:19:08.520
You're smart? Right?

1450
01:19:08.800 --> 01:19:09.680
I like to believe so.

1451
01:19:09.960 --> 01:19:11.920
Okay, And you know how to break the law.

1452
01:19:13.079 --> 01:19:14.319
Jaction is sustained.

1453
01:19:14.800 --> 01:19:16.840
You know how to deal drugs without packing the cart.

1454
01:19:18.439 --> 01:19:22.159
As the answer answer that are you asking me that?

1455
01:19:22.279 --> 01:19:26.399
Yes? I am uh. I think that's fair.

1456
01:19:26.640 --> 01:19:29.520
And that's why you use burner phones. That's why you

1457
01:19:29.560 --> 01:19:32.439
got two phones, right, correct, one for the plug and

1458
01:19:32.479 --> 01:19:33.560
one for the load.

1459
01:19:34.319 --> 01:19:36.960
What is that you don't know what the load is?

1460
01:19:38.279 --> 01:19:39.520
I'm trying to find out from you.

1461
01:19:39.680 --> 01:19:41.920
Okay, well lot, if you don't know, that's all right.

1462
01:19:42.399 --> 01:19:45.079
I'm the one that asks the questions here, So here

1463
01:19:45.159 --> 01:19:47.760
we go. Sir, you delete your phones and throw them out?

1464
01:19:47.800 --> 01:19:53.279
Right, objection is delete? I take it, it's de leak.

1465
01:19:53.399 --> 01:19:54.079
Let me rephrase.

1466
01:19:54.159 --> 01:19:58.039
Let me rephrase that you after thirty days toss the phones?

1467
01:19:58.119 --> 01:19:58.319
Right?

1468
01:19:58.479 --> 01:20:01.399
You ask my burner phones, not my eye which.

1469
01:20:01.159 --> 01:20:03.560
Is and you have two phones at any given time.

1470
01:20:04.279 --> 01:20:05.560
Yes, this is the iPhone, sir.

1471
01:20:06.439 --> 01:20:09.520
And when you burn these phones, after you're done with

1472
01:20:09.560 --> 01:20:13.359
the burner phones, you don't renew and add minutes right now?

1473
01:20:13.520 --> 01:20:15.279
Usually I have in the Passion show.

1474
01:20:15.359 --> 01:20:18.439
But typically no, typically no, because what you're trying to

1475
01:20:18.439 --> 01:20:20.079
do is stay one step ahead of the law.

1476
01:20:22.920 --> 01:20:24.359
That's correct, okay, And that.

1477
01:20:24.319 --> 01:20:26.680
Would include deleting messages on your phone too.

1478
01:20:26.600 --> 01:20:30.279
Right on my burner phone.

1479
01:20:30.520 --> 01:20:42.640
Yes, okay, Now do you recall deleting any of these messages?

1480
01:20:44.600 --> 01:20:46.720
I don't recall any of the messages I deleted. That's

1481
01:20:46.760 --> 01:20:47.439
a long time ago.

1482
01:20:47.479 --> 01:20:47.720
Okay.

1483
01:20:47.720 --> 01:20:49.920
Wait, I gotta ask you. I want to ask you

1484
01:20:50.000 --> 01:20:53.119
individually these How about these? You recall deleting any of these?

1485
01:20:54.720 --> 01:20:57.279
If you just testified deleting any messages?

1486
01:20:57.680 --> 01:21:03.560
I didn't ask him about these, Judge.

1487
01:21:03.760 --> 01:21:05.039
Most calls are messages.

1488
01:21:06.680 --> 01:21:09.079
Why don't you establish what those are?

1489
01:21:09.319 --> 01:21:11.359
Okay, mister b And.

1490
01:21:11.600 --> 01:21:15.359
These are calls that did you delete any of these calls?

1491
01:21:15.399 --> 01:21:18.920
Too? How can I delete my calls? Like? What do

1492
01:21:19.000 --> 01:21:20.760
you mean my call alog? Is that what you asked? Yes,

1493
01:21:20.800 --> 01:21:21.359
your call log?

1494
01:21:22.600 --> 01:21:24.199
I don't recall, I mean I may have.

1495
01:21:25.800 --> 01:21:31.800
These are calls here From July nineteen twenty thirteen, excuse me,

1496
01:21:31.880 --> 01:21:35.000
May eighteenth, all the way to July nineteenth.

1497
01:21:35.560 --> 01:21:38.199
You see if any of these that you might have deleted.

1498
01:21:40.079 --> 01:21:42.640
For the fourth time, I don't recall what cause or

1499
01:21:42.640 --> 01:21:44.359
messages I may or may have not deleted.

1500
01:21:45.319 --> 01:21:48.239
How about any of these? You want to take a

1501
01:21:48.239 --> 01:21:49.760
look at the dates to see if you're a call.

1502
01:21:51.600 --> 01:21:52.520
Now older.

1503
01:21:54.439 --> 01:21:57.439
I believe I've answered the same question many times, mister Byers,

1504
01:21:57.439 --> 01:22:00.880
I don't know what calls I have or have not delete.

1505
01:22:02.239 --> 01:22:04.039
How about that? Do you recall that?

1506
01:22:06.720 --> 01:22:08.039
Again? The same response?

1507
01:22:08.680 --> 01:22:11.119
Okay, how about those you delete?

1508
01:22:11.119 --> 01:22:11.359
Those?

1509
01:22:14.920 --> 01:22:15.560
Same answer?

1510
01:22:17.399 --> 01:22:17.960
About those?

1511
01:22:18.079 --> 01:22:29.439
Delete those? Same answer? Those I don't know, mister Bias. Okay,

1512
01:22:30.159 --> 01:22:31.119
how about those.

1513
01:22:33.079 --> 01:22:35.279
I don't believe I know? For any of these calls listed,

1514
01:22:35.319 --> 01:22:36.760
mister Bias.

1515
01:22:36.560 --> 01:22:39.720
Okay, So out of any of these calls and text messages,

1516
01:22:39.760 --> 01:22:42.680
you don't recall whether you deleted them or not, especially.

1517
01:22:46.840 --> 01:22:47.479
That one.

1518
01:22:49.199 --> 01:22:52.199
Not especially I don't call them leading any of them.

1519
01:22:52.640 --> 01:22:57.119
And the call again was to your lawyer, right.

1520
01:22:57.279 --> 01:22:58.520
I believe that looks like a text?

1521
01:22:58.560 --> 01:23:00.000
Is that a text called a text message?

1522
01:23:00.239 --> 01:23:01.000
Okay? The text?

1523
01:23:01.199 --> 01:23:03.680
Yes, I'm no further questions