Aug. 13, 2025

Bad Boys: Aaron Hernandez Part 5

Bad Boys: Aaron Hernandez Part 5
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In this episode, Jim Chapman continues the “Bad Boys: Aaron Hernandez series as Alexander Bradley's recounts threats made to Aaron Hernandez as he pursued his civil suit, including the activation of “the wolves”.

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H coming me con.

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Night, Pullo, not anyway for the Suman roll Bullo canny Field.

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Coming.

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Hey everyone, and welcome back to Exposed Scandalous Files of

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the Elite. I am your host Jim Chapman, and we

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are back with part five of the Bad Boys Aaron

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Hernandez series. Now, the last time that I left you,

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the prosecution had concluded their examination of Alexander Bradley and

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it was the defense's turn at cross examination of Alexander Bradley.

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And that cross examination was really explosive.

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Right off the bat.

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The defense, as you heard, focused on the text messages

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that Alexander Bradley was sending Aaron Hernandez, and it seemed

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like they were trying to paint a picture of harassment, which, hey,

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I'm gonna harass somebody too if they shot me in

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the face. But they really dialed in and focused on that.

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They went over the proffer that Bradley had with prosecutors

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prior to his testimony, and of course we've covered this

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in the past. A profit agreement is just an agreement

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between prosecutors and whoever's testifying that anything they say is

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not going to be held against them, even if they

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were breaking the law. Now, the defense, they were also

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looking for anything that they could find to attack Alexander

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Bradley's credibility. And look, this guy was not a stand

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up citizen. I mean, he was a major drug dealer

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in the area. It wouldn't be hard necessarily to attack

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his credibility. But I do want to say, on top

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of that doesn't mean he was lying. And obviously he

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wasn't lying. He was clearly shot in the face. And

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on that note, regarding his drug dealing, there was a

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misunderstanding at one point, as you heard, on whether marijuana

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and narcotics were the same thing. Alexander Bradley claimed that

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he considered narcotics things like cocaine. The defense was saying, no,

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marijuana is also narcotics. And what brought that up, as

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you heard, was the fact that he didn't tell police

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that back in two thousand and six he was dealing

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in narcotics. He admitted on the stand, as you heard

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in the last testimony, that he was dealing marijuana in

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two thousand and six, but he said I didn't consider

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that a narcotic. Hey, it's neither here nor there. It

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really doesn't mean anything that he's saying occurred, did not occur.

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It's just the defense, in my opinion, grasping its straws there.

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So we're going to continue on with Bradley's testimony in

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today's episode, and you're gonna hear a few things. You're

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gonna hear the defense bring up specific text where Alexander

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Bradley made threats to Aaron Hernandez regarding Bradley's crew, if

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you will, he referred to his crew as the wolves.

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And they also got into the deposition that was inducted

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on Alexander Bradley by the defense in the civil lawsuit

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that Bradley had filed against Hernandez. They also get into

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a little bit of the grand jury testimony which the

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defense does prove some lies by omission.

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If you will, you're going.

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To hear about that. It's very interesting.

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And here it is. We were talking about how violent the

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joy missions is. Do you remember that?

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Yes, okay?

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And you said it could people we can't get yes, okay,

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when you kill drugs?

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Was it violent?

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Jackie Interestine, Now in your text messages that you went

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over with mister Hagen, I want to direct your attention

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to I'll get those text messages when.

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You say, oh, if you think them wolves ain't on debt,

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then try you say wolves you're free shooters.

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Right, it can be shooters, not particularly, but your shooters. Right,

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that's what you're referred to in this in this text message.

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Well, the question is what you were referring to what

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you've been by that phrase?

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Wolves to me just mean friends of mine?

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Okay, you refer to your friends as wolves, my violent friends, yes,

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good friends, my friends that are violent.

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You're violent friends. Okay, you're violent friends that are wolves.

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You're telling era to watch out for them?

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Right, That's not what.

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I got on that.

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I said there on deck?

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What does that mean?

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That that means they're around?

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So they're they're ready, right, you're violent friends or ready?

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That means my violent friends are around.

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Okay. And then you talked about the money with God.

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Let me let me. I want to read this exactly

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to a flip.

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A that you know what you gotta do if you

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want your life ruin.

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Oh, and oh, if you think them wolves ain't on deck,

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then try what you gotta try? Well, I bet two

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two one on the money.

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You with you WT get far choppers mac eleven mac ninety.

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You know I'm the street. Okay, you're talking about your guns, right, correct? Okay,

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and a chopper an eight K forty seven right, Mac

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ninety is, yes, Mac nineties and a K forty seven

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it's an AK style weapon, yes, okay.

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And how many rounds does the AK the MAC ninety

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over world?

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It depends, but a lot of rounds.

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Okay, I'm gonna show you.

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And then you mentioned I'm Mac eleven eleven mac right,

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go back eleven skin?

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Yes, okay, what kind of done it done? It's a

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it's a automatic, it's automatic firearm, and a chopper.

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Can be automatic firearm.

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Okay, they approsch witness you make.

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Showing you photographs of three different guns, can you refer

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to can you tell us which.

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One is which.

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Mac and the chopper?

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Okay, this is the chopper.

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That's a Mac. It's a Mac ninety. That's a AK

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forty seven. Okay, So this is a Mac ninety. This

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is the chopper, say AK forty seven, right, that's a Mac,

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and that's this is Mac ninety.

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Okay, So we'll just stick with these two since you

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didn't say AK forty seven. Is this a f an

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accurate representation of each one of those, yes, okay, I'd.

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Like to use them as a chalk yard. You may.

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Be triple.

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And and there are two, thank you?

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H remember your firstiration you may m.

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Yeah, mister Bradley, can you tell the ladies and gentlemen

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of the jury what kind of.

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Gun this is?

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Now?

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Would you identify that?

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Sorry, I'm showing the jury exhibit and for identification.

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Mac ninety AK forty seven style rightfho?

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Okay, So that's a Mac ninety that you're referring.

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That you got for air, meaning if you cut around, correct,

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that's the Mac ninety yestid I had? Okay? And how

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many rounds does that, old, sir? It can vary. There's

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not a definitive number of rounds that they hold.

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And after you had your this, these text messages took place,

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and I'll get the exact date. April eleventh, twenty thirteen, okay.

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And you cut your deal with the state on October eighteen.

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Well, October eighth is the profit in October eighteen, twenty fourteenth,

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correct career? Okay, after you cut your deal.

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With the council, was that twenty fourteen, twenty fourteen, sir?

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So after you cut your deal with the state.

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It's not true too.

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I believe that's twenty thirteen.

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It's your shooting a letter to correct.

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Yes, sir, a few months later, four months later, right,

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four months prior, you're telling Aaron that you got this

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for him, meaning if he comes around.

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Right, I told Aaron that I have that, okay.

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After you cut four months later, when you cut the

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deal with the state, did any police officers come by

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and say, look, you're a two time convicted fella. You

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need to turn that infection over. But he's come and

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get your Mac. What's it? No, they didn't it, okay,

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mister Hagen.

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Asked you for your Mac ninety No, mister Hagen didn't okay.

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So you gave they were you gave them your phone

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with your text messages.

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Right, No, I didn't give them my phone.

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You gave them eventually, you gave the States your phone.

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Right, they received possession on my phoneka and gave them

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permission to download everything. Right, Yes, they had possession on

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my phone. Put a timeframe on this.

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I'll throw the question yesterday, mister Hagen answered deadly.

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Mister Hagen.

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Right, For the ladies and gentlemen of the jury, these

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text messages like refer to these assault weapons, correct, correct?

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And this can you tell the ladies and gentlemen of

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the jury what kind of gun this is?

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Back?

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What levin back of leve and this this is the

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other gun that you reference that you can.

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Kill Eric with. Right.

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I reference to Aaron that I had one, okay.

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To scare them, right, so let them know that you

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could kill.

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Him with it.

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Right.

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My intentions are not to scare him.

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You were not threatening, You were telling the truth right, correct, okay,

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And you.

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Were already convicted felon right correct? Okay?

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And after your immunity deal, did any police officers come

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and ask you for this gun?

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Correction?

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No, did mister Hagen ask you to turn in your

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assault weapon?

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No?

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They're aware that you're a drug dealer injection correct.

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Overhel they are aware that I dealt drugs, yes, okay.

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And and there and by and by reference of these

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sex messages, they have information that you have these guys, right, objection, Sustine.

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You didn't lose your deal once they downloaded.

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These sex messages, right.

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Uh, to my knowledge, I've been lost for my deal

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at this point.

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They didn't pull that back knowing that you had these

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types of weapons out right, no, and that you carry

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these weapons. Objection sustide that you threatened to kill Aaron

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ornandis with these raps over rule?

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Can they take your deal back?

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Right?

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No now, sir. Yesterday you talked about the fact that

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and even today when you talked about how you didn't

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know shit about this case, when you jeb boss, remember that,

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yes and yesterday you told the ladies and gentlemen of

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the jury that the reason you said that was because

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you don't want to incriminate yourself, correct okay? And you,

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of course were concerned about incriminating yourself because that would

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be a bad thing, correct okay.

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And in fact, jail calls when when you're speaking on.

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The phone in the jail, it constantly reminds you these

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calls are being recorded, right correct, okay.

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So you're a smart guy right.

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At times? Okay.

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And one of the things that.

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One of the things that you know when you're in

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jail is you don't say anything on the phone that's

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going to jam you up.

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As you'd like to say, right.

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Whose words on you said? Jam you up? Whose words on?

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Jam your words?

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Do you recall every using the words jam you up?

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The objection is your herald can you show me please,

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I'm asking you a question.

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Do you recalls have you used the words jim you up?

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I don't recall off him, could jam myself off? I

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don't recall saying those exact words. Uh. Do you recall

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on what after?

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I say?

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Okay, m's true?

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Do you recall making the phone calls for Brook on

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October sixth, two thousand and thirteen.

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I do recall making phone calls to her broke woe

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cost I can't validate the dately.

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Yes, I recall making your phone call.

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And do you recall why you're on the phone with

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Brooke will Costs?

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You asked her to get uh, what are your wolves

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on the phone?

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No? I don't recall that.

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Do you ask her if you recall asking her the

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three way and a gentleman by the name of Larry Brown's.

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Three way in mister Brown. I don't recall it having

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a three way, mister Brown.

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Cause you know that they're illegal to do on the

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on the jail calls, right, but you can't call someone

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and then then have done three ways someone right now overhorld?

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Did you know that to be the case?

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Yes, Kay, I'd like you to I'd like to uh

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play the stay for you and ask you if you

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you can recognize your boys?

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Sir act I don't know.

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Uh overworld, we back it up and.

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I need that's okay just.

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A little bit.

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You don't.

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Whatever your a neighborrid like?

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What you do you?

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Navy girl?

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Whose voice is that? Sir?

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Uh?

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That's my daughter's mother's voice? Broken wall pots correct? Okay,

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good to your u.

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Good luck?

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Do you have a fifty sixty and from that's a

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hundred out to get to uh your mom to get

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your trolley?

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So step with that?

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Sure your uh, just phone on, I've got your father.

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Oh is that your voice, sir?

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It sounds like it. Yes, Plug your ally real quick

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for me?

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What do you?

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What did you say right there? Plug? Who got rewinded?

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I couldn't hear but that?

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Uh yeah, oh plug alleway real quick for me, I said,

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plug alleway real quick to me. Okay, what's that down?

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What sevens her to call?

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My friend? Connected?

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Okay? Who's she calling?

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Oh? Like you said?

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Okay Larry Brown? Correct?

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Okay, Oh what so when you testify to this jury

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a moment ago that you don't make three way calls

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and that you have call that was not true.

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I never testified to the jury that I don't make

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three way Joe calls.

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You didn't just say that you knew that they were

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it was illegal to do a third to three way call.

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That's different. You said you asked me if I knew

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if it was illegal. You never asked me if I

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ever did it. I did ask if you did.

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Two questions?

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What a question at least? Alright?

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Alright, let's go ahead and play kill.

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Really sure that holding you should.

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Us the depression on one of the names, and that Jack.

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Sure, I suck?

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What are you referring to put the pressures on that.

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I don't recall.

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I'll show you what side like m.

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What calling people?

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I'm gonna I'm gonna handle the tide to live, specially.

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Especially a.

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Sure, especially a tool agreement.

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Now, sir, when you.

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Sued Aaron, Uh, you took a deposition right correct?

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Okay?

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And in that deposition that's a judicial proceeding, is it

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not correct?

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Okay? And you have to take an oath correct okay?

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And you swear to tell the.

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Truth correct, the whole truth correct.

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And nothing but the truth right correct. And you took

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this deposition after you made your deal with.

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Uh the state right?

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Correct?

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Okay and yeah.

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Specifically, the deposition date was given on December sixteenth, two

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thousand and fourteen.

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Do you recall that, sir?

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Yes?

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Okay?

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And when you gave this deposition, you were asked if

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you ever supplied Aaron with marijuana? Do you recall respon

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responding no, not at this time?

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My interpretation of that question was in his marijuana supplier.

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When asked if you ever supplied Aaron with marijuana?

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To read the question again, please repay him.

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Sure, page twenty eight, counselor alright, I'll rephrase it, line

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twenty one through twenty three. Did you provide Aaron Hernandez

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with marijuana?

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Your answer was no, sir, not at this time? Do

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your call making that state?

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Did I say no? Cert that at this time?

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Yes? Do you recall making that state? I recalled being

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asked that question?

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Yes?

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What? Kay? And do you recall giving that answer?

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Be what my answer was? Please?

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No or not at the start? You call given that answer?

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That's a big question.

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We read from where it starts on one sixteen.

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All right, let the witness see the deposition testimony to

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understand the context.

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Please af froach. You may in the first mon Oh,

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it's bad. You're called making that statements or giving that answer?

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Is that a yes?

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Yes? But can you please read the context?

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So I asked the questions here, Yes, you give the Well,

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now the witness is entitled to explain prior testimony in

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the deposition.

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I understand it.

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I'm getting to that. You're well, let's get to it them. Okay.

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Do you recall giving this answer, sir? Yes, okay. And

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what it is referencing is you you smoking and playing

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video games with Aaron, right, correct.

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But what it's saying is at the time.

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Of me the first that initial first meeting, when we

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were smoking and playing video games.

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The question was.

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Wasn't his supplier at the time and at the time, no,

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I wasn't.

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When you gave this deposition and related to your drug activities,

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you pled the Fifth Amendment twenty times.

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Right, Sustaine, I'll see you. What's side, gentlemen, let me drink.

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I mean to those of you who you may not

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be familiar with what has been referenced as a deposition.

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A deposition is something that is permitted in a civil lawsuit.

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Civil lawsuit is different from a criminal case. It involves

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a civil claim. That is an action brought by a

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party claiming that they were in some way harmed or

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injured by someone else and for which they seek money damages.

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That's the typical remedy in a civil lawsuit. In a

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civil lawsuit, one party has the right to conduct both

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parties have the right to conduct what are known as depositions,

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and a deposition is questioning of a witness or of

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a party by the opponent. That questioning taking place while

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the witness is out of I'm sorry, is under an

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oath to tell the truth, and is typically taken outside

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of court. That is, doesn't involve a judge or jerry.

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It's a pre trial questioning of a witness or a

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party under oath by the opposing side. So that is

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what has been referenced here. A deposition relating to mister

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Bradley's lawsuit against mister Hernandez. That is a separate action

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entirely from the instant case here, mister Bias.

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Yes, sir, you recall this deposition, correct sir, correct, okay,

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And you recall asserting your Fifth Amendment privileged multiple times

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during this deposition, Yes, okay, And anytime the words drugs

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or guns came up, you played the Fifth Amendment?

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Yes, okay?

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And do you recall part of your deal was to

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testify through your immunity letter, as we covered today, part

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of your deal was to testify completely and truthfully in

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any proceedings in this case.

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Do you remember that?

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Are you suggesting, miss Bias, that the.

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Clean Agreement would apply to a shive of laws shooting?

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No this case. To rephrase the question, sir, are you

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testified at your grand jury?

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Correct?

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I notice you're smiling. You find anything funny? Your injection sustained?

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Put a question? Uh? You realize two men lost their lives?

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Rejection strength? Qut a quest treat police? Sir? You were

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called testifying before a grand jury? Yes okay? And when you.

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Testify before a grand jury, Uh, there's no defense lawyer present.

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I believe there was at lawyer present.

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You're a lawyer, yes okay.

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And the one answering or asking questions and this grand

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jury was mister Haygen correct okay. And do you recall

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being asked what you did for a living?

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Yes?

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Okay?

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And you asked, can you describe for the grandeurs, what

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if any jobs you had?

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Quick? Okay? And do you recall answering I've worked for.

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I've had a few jobs. I've had hobby stores.

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A warehouse in East Hartford, worked for Stanley Steamer, I've

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worked for Home Depot, I've worked for another store called

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the Mill Store, another store, to my best knowledge, stop

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and Shop.

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And Dunkin Donuts.

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Cool understanding of that, yes, okay.

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Then you're asked how far you went at school? You

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recall that. Quer Then you're asked do you have any children? Quick? Okay?

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This is this graduate testimony took place in twenty and thirteen,

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right court. To your admission, you have been dealing drugs

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for thirteen years.

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At that point, if that's around two thousand, yes, okay.

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So when mister Hagen presented you to the lazy gentleman

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of the grand jury, he asked you what jobs.

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You held, and you gave him Dunkin Donuts, Stanley Stevers,

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and several other.

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Jobs that we just covered, right, correct.

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You never told them I've dealt drugs for the last

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thirteen years. I did given a mission to dealing drugs

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at some point.

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When asked by mister Hagen and covering your background, never

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said any word about being a drug dealer.

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Did you, sir, No, but I believe I testified at

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the Green jury just being a marijuana dealer, so that

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means I included that man prosuets you may.

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I take a look at your testimony and see where

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you reference that, sir.

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At this point I hadn't referenced it yet. Look look

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through it. Well, it's a lot of pages to look through.

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Was that it's a lot of pages to look through?

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Why take us and take it?

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You know what?

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There might be a.

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Did you botes grand jury dates?

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Ever?

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Took five have on the eighteenth oh two?

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Brand jury dates?

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I understand that did you reference to anything in from

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the grand jury on the eighteenth?

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On the eighteenth maybe?

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Now, okay, that's later, right, jurging.

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A much later?

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U scanned put a date on it.

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When you're presented to the grand jury.

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You never mentioned that you were that h on the eighteenth.

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You never mentioned that you were a drug dealer, if

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it's there's not in the documentary on the eighteenth later,

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but on eighteenth specifically, you never said.

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Anything being a drug.

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I can't confirm that because I don't remember all those transcripts.

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But if that's if it doesn't mention it dude, then

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I'll take your word for it. That is correct, okay.

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And mister Hagen was the one steering you with the questions.

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Right, actually sneering, Shane.

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Mister Hagen's the one asking you the questions.

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Correct.

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There was no other attorney asking you.

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Any questions, right.

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Correct.

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Now, you testified to the ladies and gentlemen of the

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jury about your friendship with Aaron right.

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Correct.

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Well, you recall testifying that around two thousand and tennis

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when you guys met.

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If I said that, if that's what's in there, and

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you were his.

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Marijuana dealer for about a year, right, if.

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That's what it says, I'm asking you.

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You were his marijuana dealer for about a year for

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some time, okay, And initially for a while, it was

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just a professional relationship, as you've.

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Put it, Is that correct, A business relationship, I believe.

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I said a business relationship.

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You just said professional book business Okay, business relationship, yes, correct.

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Your initial relationship with Eric Nag business relationship. Correct, You

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sold in marijuana, correct Okay. And it was after some

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time that you've gotta became friends. Correct, Okay, Later around

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twenty eleven, correct.

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I believe we became friends a little prior to I

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can't exactly dat.

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So all right, So in actuality, prior to this incident,

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you were only his friend for about a year.

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I don't believe that to be true.

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A year and a half.

500
00:31:56.839 --> 00:32:00.119
I can't put it. I can't exact it. But can

501
00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:01.640
you tell me you can't.

502
00:32:01.839 --> 00:32:05.559
Well, you testified about how close you were, how this

503
00:32:05.640 --> 00:32:08.119
friendship is, but you can't give us any context as

504
00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:11.519
to how long you were friends before this incident occurred.

505
00:32:13.240 --> 00:32:20.400
I like to believe the only a year and a half.

506
00:32:20.960 --> 00:32:21.799
That might be accurate.

507
00:32:22.200 --> 00:32:24.880
All right, So a year and a half is how

508
00:32:24.920 --> 00:32:27.839
long you know, and when all these text messages are

509
00:32:27.839 --> 00:32:36.240
going on, it's really just two years tops, right. My

510
00:32:36.319 --> 00:32:37.960
point is you're not lifelong friends.

511
00:32:38.960 --> 00:32:40.559
Your point is correct, okay.

512
00:32:41.279 --> 00:32:49.400
And you were at the time of this incident thirty

513
00:32:49.480 --> 00:32:51.039
years old.

514
00:32:52.119 --> 00:32:54.599
At the time of the shooting matter.

515
00:32:54.680 --> 00:33:02.079
And yes, and Aaron was twenty two if that's his age,

516
00:33:02.279 --> 00:33:04.680
If that's twenty two years old time, a couple of

517
00:33:04.759 --> 00:33:07.839
years out of three years out of high school. Three

518
00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:09.880
years out of high school, he said, yes, he had

519
00:33:09.920 --> 00:33:10.759
just gotten drafted.

520
00:33:10.839 --> 00:33:13.960
That wouldn't be twenty two to me. But I don't

521
00:33:14.000 --> 00:33:15.480
know if that's twenty two to you, three years out

522
00:33:15.480 --> 00:33:19.039
of high school, usually three years out of high school,

523
00:33:19.119 --> 00:33:23.000
even more like twenty or twenty one. Okay, you're on.

524
00:33:23.640 --> 00:33:25.400
I was gonna load up some video now, but I

525
00:33:25.400 --> 00:33:26.920
think that's a good time break for lunch.

526
00:33:27.079 --> 00:33:28.039
I don't, okay.

527
00:33:28.359 --> 00:33:32.960
And the bulletproof bests were for your own protection, correct,

528
00:33:33.319 --> 00:33:37.440
just in case you get in the shootout, sustain in

529
00:33:37.480 --> 00:33:40.039
case you get shot, Chaption Sustaine.

530
00:33:40.519 --> 00:33:46.160
What would the bulletproof vest be for, Sir Jacption Sustaine. Now,

531
00:33:48.279 --> 00:33:51.559
four months after sending this text message, you made your

532
00:33:51.559 --> 00:33:55.240
deal with the state, with the state of Massachusetts.

533
00:33:54.640 --> 00:33:57.519
Right, yes, I believe so, okay.

534
00:33:57.960 --> 00:34:07.640
And then after after getting your deal, you got another

535
00:34:07.680 --> 00:34:16.840
fire arm kright, ury over Rude's got another firearm.

536
00:34:16.920 --> 00:34:28.400
Yes, I spent the wesson possibly forty caliber, yes, okay.

537
00:34:29.000 --> 00:34:35.360
And you committed another crime with a gun, correct, okay.

538
00:34:35.840 --> 00:34:38.760
And after you committed this crime, and after having.

539
00:34:38.599 --> 00:34:42.960
These assault weapons, hondwealth still didn't pull your deal? Did

540
00:34:42.960 --> 00:34:46.280
they cause shed? In that form rephrase?

541
00:34:51.199 --> 00:34:56.519
After getting arrested for a gun offense, you still the

542
00:34:56.599 --> 00:34:59.559
still the deal you made with the Commonwealth of Massachusetts

543
00:34:59.559 --> 00:35:00.960
still stayed intact.

544
00:35:03.159 --> 00:35:04.280
Correct, Okay?

545
00:35:04.880 --> 00:35:07.199
And then you were convicted of that offense.

546
00:35:08.280 --> 00:35:08.679
Correct.

547
00:35:09.559 --> 00:35:10.559
I played no contest.

548
00:35:10.599 --> 00:35:13.280
Correct, you were convicted.

549
00:35:14.719 --> 00:35:16.000
I played no contest. Correct.

550
00:35:16.360 --> 00:35:18.440
You're making a distinction here. I know you like to

551
00:35:18.840 --> 00:35:22.079
stinging swords. I'll want to be a collection. You were

552
00:35:22.119 --> 00:35:23.280
convicted of that crop.

553
00:35:23.199 --> 00:35:26.960
By pleading no contest that resulted in a conviction.

554
00:35:27.239 --> 00:35:28.199
Correct.

555
00:35:29.360 --> 00:35:34.639
No, Uh, you testified that.

556
00:35:35.960 --> 00:35:40.880
You didn't get any favors from the Commonwealth as.

557
00:35:40.719 --> 00:35:45.519
It relates to any other cases. Right, correct, Okay, you had.

558
00:35:49.079 --> 00:35:49.599
To one of the.

559
00:35:51.440 --> 00:35:53.039
Six charges on that on.

560
00:35:53.000 --> 00:35:54.519
That case, right objection.

561
00:35:54.800 --> 00:36:06.440
I'll show you what shoy, mister Bradley after conviction on

562
00:36:06.440 --> 00:36:13.960
one second, if you would, oh.

563
00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:20.360
Yes, sir, after your convictions on this specific case, the

564
00:36:20.400 --> 00:36:23.559
firearm charge that you received that you picked up in

565
00:36:23.639 --> 00:36:29.920
February of twenty fourteen, February third, that is one of

566
00:36:29.920 --> 00:36:34.400
the conditions. Actually, let me rephrase that that case did

567
00:36:34.440 --> 00:36:37.519
not go to trial or anything happened in that case

568
00:36:37.519 --> 00:36:38.559
for three years.

569
00:36:38.320 --> 00:36:40.199
Right, that's correct? Okay?

570
00:36:40.559 --> 00:36:44.159
And your conviction is on the date of January ninth,

571
00:36:44.199 --> 00:36:45.360
twenty seventeen.

572
00:36:45.719 --> 00:36:46.639
Correct, correct.

573
00:36:47.199 --> 00:36:49.719
And one of the conditions of your parole is for

574
00:36:49.760 --> 00:36:51.000
you to come and testify here.

575
00:36:51.159 --> 00:36:54.800
Correct not correct? Okay?

576
00:36:54.960 --> 00:36:57.559
You would never advise that you needed to as a

577
00:36:57.599 --> 00:36:59.760
special condition of your parole that you need to come

578
00:36:59.760 --> 00:37:00.960
into testify in this case.

579
00:37:01.840 --> 00:37:04.559
It's not applicable, sir, because I'm not paroled, I'm not

580
00:37:04.599 --> 00:37:07.559
on parole, I'm currently in custody.

581
00:37:07.599 --> 00:37:10.800
Still a question to you, sir, is a special condition

582
00:37:10.920 --> 00:37:13.840
of your parole that you come and testify at this case?

583
00:37:14.880 --> 00:37:17.840
What was said on the record, I believe, was if

584
00:37:17.880 --> 00:37:20.159
I'm paroled, to make sure that I appear in court.

585
00:37:20.199 --> 00:37:20.440
Here.

586
00:37:21.400 --> 00:37:25.599
My question, it's simple like for you to listen to here,

587
00:37:26.079 --> 00:37:28.559
and that is is it a condition of your parole

588
00:37:29.079 --> 00:37:32.400
that you testify by any superience in this case?

589
00:37:32.519 --> 00:37:33.519
That as an answer.

590
00:37:36.280 --> 00:37:38.599
You know you may answer that question whether or not

591
00:37:39.679 --> 00:37:42.480
if that is a condition of your parole once it

592
00:37:42.559 --> 00:37:43.159
is granted.

593
00:37:44.039 --> 00:37:49.760
My understanding was, if I'm paroled and out on the

594
00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:53.719
street before I have to appear at this coordinate or

595
00:37:53.920 --> 00:37:56.519
at any court proceedings, I just have to make sure

596
00:37:56.559 --> 00:37:56.960
I appear.

597
00:37:59.639 --> 00:38:02.519
Ask your question the question again, is it a specific

598
00:38:02.559 --> 00:38:07.039
condition of your parole that you appear from this case?

599
00:38:07.119 --> 00:38:23.440
Action sustained? Sorry, if your question.

600
00:38:23.280 --> 00:38:29.000
Is gonna be been drawn, sorry, they catch yes, So

601
00:38:29.039 --> 00:38:37.599
it was just adjusting something okay. You testified yesterday in

602
00:38:37.679 --> 00:38:40.079
the direct examination that you and Aaron came down the

603
00:38:40.159 --> 00:38:43.920
clubs all the time. Could you got wow three times

604
00:38:43.960 --> 00:38:44.280
a week?

605
00:38:46.039 --> 00:38:46.760
Are you asking me?

606
00:38:46.920 --> 00:38:54.920
Yes? Yes, yeh wow all the time? It was correct? Yes,

607
00:38:55.719 --> 00:38:57.159
I don't know if you're asking me a question, I

608
00:38:57.199 --> 00:38:58.639
am asking you. He didn't put it in a question

609
00:38:58.719 --> 00:38:59.920
for him. That's why they need to.

610
00:39:00.480 --> 00:39:05.239
Okay, you understand that you testified that you went out

611
00:39:05.480 --> 00:39:07.639
multiple times a week with their Fernandez.

612
00:39:08.039 --> 00:39:09.400
Yes, okay, And.

613
00:39:09.960 --> 00:39:15.199
You came to Boston all the time. If you're asking

614
00:39:15.199 --> 00:39:20.039
me a question, yes, yes, I'm asking your questions, yes, okay. Now,

615
00:39:20.239 --> 00:39:23.599
when you came to Boston, you would go.

616
00:39:23.559 --> 00:39:26.760
To the theater district correct, correct?

617
00:39:27.039 --> 00:39:27.519
All right?

618
00:39:27.800 --> 00:39:31.039
And when you came to the theater district, many times

619
00:39:31.039 --> 00:39:35.119
you went to Characters correct. And many times you went

620
00:39:35.159 --> 00:39:38.039
to the circle of clubs within the theater.

621
00:39:37.920 --> 00:39:41.400
District correct, if you're asking me.

622
00:39:43.400 --> 00:39:46.800
And when you went down three times in the week,

623
00:39:47.800 --> 00:39:56.559
they were mostly to Boston nightclubs, yes, okay. And and

624
00:39:56.679 --> 00:39:58.880
all the times you came down to Boston, you guys

625
00:39:59.000 --> 00:40:00.360
went down what for.

626
00:40:00.320 --> 00:40:00.880
About a year?

627
00:40:03.599 --> 00:40:04.719
Repeat what you're asking me, please?

628
00:40:04.760 --> 00:40:08.440
You guys went parting to Boston about for a time

629
00:40:08.480 --> 00:40:12.719
period of a year, correct, more than that year and

630
00:40:12.800 --> 00:40:14.960
a half of your friendship?

631
00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:17.559
Are you asking me up until this point correct.

632
00:40:17.400 --> 00:40:20.079
Before before the incident of the shooting?

633
00:40:20.239 --> 00:40:22.079
Yes, okay, So you've.

634
00:40:21.880 --> 00:40:25.159
Been coming to Boston three four times a week for

635
00:40:25.719 --> 00:40:27.199
about a year year and a half.

636
00:40:27.360 --> 00:40:27.960
Is that correct?

637
00:40:28.800 --> 00:40:30.199
Approximately? Yes, exaccurate?

638
00:40:30.800 --> 00:40:33.639
And all that time you didn't know anybody from Boston

639
00:40:35.320 --> 00:40:38.360
other than the individuals from the club here, like you know,

640
00:40:38.440 --> 00:40:39.199
maybe some staff.

641
00:40:39.320 --> 00:40:42.199
No, you never met anyone in your three days a

642
00:40:42.239 --> 00:40:45.360
week in Boston every time you came into town.

643
00:40:48.440 --> 00:40:52.960
Can you specify? Have I ever met anyone like made friends.

644
00:40:52.679 --> 00:40:55.039
While you were come to Boston? Right? Yeah, I've said

645
00:40:55.039 --> 00:40:57.039
how I've interacted with people who but made friends?

646
00:40:57.119 --> 00:40:57.159
Know?

647
00:40:58.000 --> 00:41:00.559
And you testified that you always drove right.

648
00:41:01.760 --> 00:41:03.679
Yes, for the most part, most of the time I

649
00:41:03.719 --> 00:41:04.280
was drove you.

650
00:41:04.320 --> 00:41:10.039
At the night of the shooting, you get lost, I

651
00:41:10.119 --> 00:41:12.079
mean to turn down the one way street and then

652
00:41:12.119 --> 00:41:12.880
you got lost?

653
00:41:13.000 --> 00:41:14.840
Right, No, I didn't get lost.

654
00:41:14.960 --> 00:41:19.400
You testified that Aaron Hernandez was utilizing the GPS. Do

655
00:41:19.440 --> 00:41:21.079
you recall testifying to that yesterday?

656
00:41:21.800 --> 00:41:23.440
Yes? But at what point are you asking me?

657
00:41:23.480 --> 00:41:26.559
Did I get lost? It's a bit confusing. Okay, when

658
00:41:26.559 --> 00:41:31.840
you left Boston, you testified that you got lost. I

659
00:41:31.880 --> 00:41:35.360
testified it at some point during the travel back to Connecticut.

660
00:41:35.360 --> 00:41:36.320
We got lost. Correct.

661
00:41:36.599 --> 00:41:39.159
That's because after coming three times a week for a

662
00:41:39.239 --> 00:41:41.119
year and a half, you don't know how to get

663
00:41:41.159 --> 00:41:45.079
back to Connecticut for where you're from. Is that correct?

664
00:41:46.760 --> 00:41:49.760
That's not necessarily correct.

665
00:41:50.000 --> 00:41:51.719
Just that night you got lost.

666
00:41:54.079 --> 00:41:56.960
We got someone lost, Yes.

667
00:41:56.920 --> 00:41:57.239
We did.

668
00:41:57.679 --> 00:41:59.000
And you need a GPS.

669
00:42:03.079 --> 00:42:04.360
Correct e GPS?

670
00:42:04.639 --> 00:42:04.960
Yes?

671
00:42:05.360 --> 00:42:13.239
Okay. Now I wanna take you to July sixteenth, twenty twelve,

672
00:42:15.519 --> 00:42:17.559
and this is the video that, of course you went

673
00:42:17.599 --> 00:42:21.960
over with mister Hagen. This is you guys arriving correct.

674
00:42:23.199 --> 00:42:25.960
Oh, yes, correct, all right, for.

675
00:42:25.880 --> 00:42:29.719
The records twelve or four forty five, and you were driving.

676
00:42:31.280 --> 00:42:33.639
Right, I believe so, Yes, you didn't get lost getting

677
00:42:33.679 --> 00:42:35.199
there right? No?

678
00:42:35.719 --> 00:42:41.360
Okay, So now you get there, I'm gonna fast forward

679
00:42:41.400 --> 00:42:44.920
a little bit. Okay, I'm now directing your attention, mister

680
00:42:44.960 --> 00:42:51.840
Brandley to twelve twenty nine oh three. You're about to

681
00:42:51.880 --> 00:42:59.039
come into frame. Do you see yourself and mister Henendez?

682
00:42:59.320 --> 00:43:00.400
Yes? Okay.

683
00:43:01.320 --> 00:43:05.119
Now do you at any time notice any of the

684
00:43:05.159 --> 00:43:07.840
four individuals in front of your line?

685
00:43:08.639 --> 00:43:08.840
No?

686
00:43:08.920 --> 00:43:10.199
At that time. Okay.

687
00:43:10.800 --> 00:43:14.840
And you testified yesterday that you don't recall what it

688
00:43:14.960 --> 00:43:17.880
is that you're discussing with mister Hernett is right there?

689
00:43:18.639 --> 00:43:22.079
You see that, Yes, And that is when you're actually

690
00:43:22.119 --> 00:43:23.840
pointing in the direction of the line.

691
00:43:23.920 --> 00:43:28.400
Correct. Yes, my hand appears to be in that direction,

692
00:43:28.480 --> 00:43:30.119
but I'm not pointing at that, gentleman.

693
00:43:29.880 --> 00:43:33.719
Sir, Okay, I didn't ask you that the general direction

694
00:43:33.800 --> 00:43:34.239
of the line.

695
00:43:34.280 --> 00:43:34.880
Do you see that?

696
00:43:36.039 --> 00:43:37.760
I can you repeat the whole question again, pleasing?

697
00:43:38.079 --> 00:43:42.199
At this time, at twelve nine one, you're pointing the

698
00:43:42.199 --> 00:43:43.519
general direction of the line.

699
00:43:44.239 --> 00:43:44.480
Yes.

700
00:43:56.199 --> 00:43:59.880
Now it is that this time, well, shortly thereafter after this,

701
00:44:03.159 --> 00:44:08.519
after you go inside of Cure, that you allege that

702
00:44:09.360 --> 00:44:12.719
this incident took place, the bumping incident, correct, correct?

703
00:44:13.960 --> 00:44:14.119
Now?

704
00:44:14.599 --> 00:44:17.519
I remember you testified yesterday if you finished put one

705
00:44:17.559 --> 00:44:32.800
of the exhibits, I'm sure, yeah. Yeah, you testified yesterday

706
00:44:32.840 --> 00:44:35.880
that you went into Cure and you immediately walked to

707
00:44:35.880 --> 00:44:39.760
the bar with mister Hernandez. Do you recall that testimony? Yes, okay,

708
00:44:40.280 --> 00:44:43.119
And you testified that once you got to the bar,

709
00:44:44.519 --> 00:44:46.840
mister Hernandez walked a couple of feet to you, to

710
00:44:47.000 --> 00:44:49.880
your left right, and it was sir to your right,

711
00:44:50.440 --> 00:44:51.360
like we're gonna point that.

712
00:44:51.280 --> 00:44:52.159
Imps on the bar.

713
00:44:52.800 --> 00:44:57.199
I'm sorry, I said, if we're downstairs, and well, if

714
00:44:57.199 --> 00:44:58.960
you wanna pull up the exhibit, I could better explain

715
00:44:59.039 --> 00:44:59.519
what I'm saying.

716
00:45:12.719 --> 00:45:20.719
I'll go back to that said, okay, I stayed there. Okay.

717
00:45:22.480 --> 00:45:24.599
So you walk down right, correct?

718
00:45:25.079 --> 00:45:26.840
Kay? How long did it take you to get down

719
00:45:26.880 --> 00:45:28.440
the stairs? Thirty seconds?

720
00:45:29.320 --> 00:45:31.320
Maybe that sounds about right, okay.

721
00:45:31.400 --> 00:45:33.639
And then you walk all the way to the bar

722
00:45:34.159 --> 00:45:36.360
the correct correct, And that's at the other end of

723
00:45:36.360 --> 00:45:37.119
the club there.

724
00:45:38.760 --> 00:45:41.039
For yes, I you could see the stairs right there, sir,

725
00:45:41.159 --> 00:45:41.639
I see that.

726
00:45:42.360 --> 00:45:44.199
Would I agree that it's at the other end of

727
00:45:44.239 --> 00:45:45.519
the bar the club?

728
00:45:45.920 --> 00:45:48.440
Yes? Kay? How long would it take you to get

729
00:45:48.440 --> 00:45:50.199
over there? Another thirty seconds or so?

730
00:45:53.119 --> 00:45:55.599
I mean maybe less perhaps, Okay.

731
00:45:55.920 --> 00:45:59.360
It's it fair to say from the moment you walk in,

732
00:45:59.599 --> 00:46:01.360
takes you about a minute to get to the bar.

733
00:46:02.119 --> 00:46:05.360
Is that a fair estimate? That's a fair estimate. Okay.

734
00:46:05.840 --> 00:46:09.280
So then you get there and you testify that you

735
00:46:10.199 --> 00:46:12.000
were on the right side of this bar correct?

736
00:46:12.760 --> 00:46:13.119
False?

737
00:46:13.440 --> 00:46:15.719
Okayt refied that I went towards the left side of

738
00:46:15.760 --> 00:46:16.000
the bar.

739
00:46:16.760 --> 00:46:19.159
You went to the left, yes, And Aaron went to

740
00:46:19.199 --> 00:46:21.719
the right correct, okay, And.

741
00:46:22.119 --> 00:46:28.039
You testified that he was pretty close to you in

742
00:46:28.719 --> 00:46:30.639
regards to it was pretty close to you.

743
00:46:30.679 --> 00:46:33.760
Still could see him where you're right, Yes, and it

744
00:46:33.880 --> 00:46:40.239
disappeared from me okay. And after you guys got your

745
00:46:40.320 --> 00:46:46.000
drinks right, Yes, we did get drinks okay. And this

746
00:46:46.039 --> 00:46:48.800
would have taken about another minute or two to get

747
00:46:48.840 --> 00:46:49.559
the drinks.

748
00:46:51.599 --> 00:46:53.320
I mean, I'll be speculating if I gave you the

749
00:46:53.320 --> 00:46:53.760
exact time.

750
00:46:53.800 --> 00:46:54.199
I don't know.

751
00:46:54.679 --> 00:46:57.559
Okay, do you know how long you were in the club?

752
00:46:59.320 --> 00:47:01.079
Short amount of time? I don't know exactly what.

753
00:47:03.079 --> 00:47:06.840
Did the bartender come right to you right away? No?

754
00:47:07.280 --> 00:47:10.079
There was actually a empty spot like a bartender was

755
00:47:10.159 --> 00:47:10.920
no one in front of her.

756
00:47:10.960 --> 00:47:12.480
And I went to her on the left.

757
00:47:12.280 --> 00:47:13.079
Side, okay.

758
00:47:13.159 --> 00:47:15.480
And then Aaron was at the other end of the bar,

759
00:47:16.519 --> 00:47:19.000
towards the other end of the bar. Yes, okay. And

760
00:47:19.760 --> 00:47:24.119
what what did you order? I don't recall what I

761
00:47:24.159 --> 00:47:28.800
was drink like exactly, but usually at e i'd be guessing,

762
00:47:28.880 --> 00:47:31.760
but I I would imagine patron maybe. So you got

763
00:47:31.800 --> 00:47:36.519
some tequila yep, a mixed drink okay, And Aaron then

764
00:47:36.639 --> 00:47:37.039
ordered his.

765
00:47:37.039 --> 00:47:41.119
Drink correct, you claimed or you testify that he ordered

766
00:47:41.119 --> 00:47:46.280
two drinks, correct, okay, not that that was your drink,

767
00:47:46.360 --> 00:47:49.000
but that he ordered two drinks right, correct?

768
00:47:49.239 --> 00:47:49.599
Okay?

769
00:47:50.119 --> 00:47:53.159
And that would have taken approximately another.

770
00:47:52.840 --> 00:47:56.320
Minute or so, another minute or so to what for.

771
00:47:56.320 --> 00:47:59.800
Him to get his two drinks projection H.

772
00:48:01.679 --> 00:48:04.800
Sustained in that form rephration, m.

773
00:48:05.000 --> 00:48:07.360
Would have taken them approximately another minute or so to

774
00:48:07.360 --> 00:48:08.559
get an get two drinks?

775
00:48:08.639 --> 00:48:08.760
Right?

776
00:48:08.760 --> 00:48:11.760
Actually remember another minute beyond what?

777
00:48:12.000 --> 00:48:12.199
Sure?

778
00:48:12.920 --> 00:48:14.840
After the minute it took them to get to the bar.

779
00:48:16.800 --> 00:48:19.880
See, your question is, did mister Hernandez get two drinks

780
00:48:19.920 --> 00:48:21.440
within two minutes of arriving?

781
00:48:21.559 --> 00:48:26.960
Correct? Is that your memory? Sir? I believe you bought

782
00:48:26.960 --> 00:48:31.159
two drinks at the same time, Kay.

783
00:48:31.159 --> 00:48:33.000
Approximately two minutes after writing?

784
00:48:33.079 --> 00:48:33.920
Right?

785
00:48:35.480 --> 00:48:36.840
If that's what you're saying, Yes.

786
00:48:37.639 --> 00:48:38.639
I know what I'm saying.

787
00:48:38.880 --> 00:48:40.320
How would know you'll say it?

788
00:48:40.440 --> 00:48:42.159
Well, what you're asking me to do is give you

789
00:48:42.199 --> 00:48:45.480
an exact time about something that I can't And you

790
00:48:45.519 --> 00:48:48.079
can't even give us an estimate even ask me for

791
00:48:48.119 --> 00:48:48.480
I asking me.

792
00:48:48.559 --> 00:48:50.800
Okay, I'm asking me now if you give us your

793
00:48:50.840 --> 00:48:53.360
best estimate, that's the how long it would have taken for.

794
00:48:53.400 --> 00:48:56.519
Him to get two drinks. I would say we had

795
00:48:56.519 --> 00:49:01.760
our drinks within two minutes of entering. Let's just say, okay,

796
00:49:03.159 --> 00:49:04.320
I wasn't very hard, was it.

797
00:49:04.559 --> 00:49:05.280
That's what you said?

798
00:49:05.440 --> 00:49:05.760
Okay?

799
00:49:06.159 --> 00:49:11.360
Now after this you you you joined up with Aeron

800
00:49:11.400 --> 00:49:12.760
now right, correct?

801
00:49:13.079 --> 00:49:20.480
And this is when you see the dancing gentleman. Yes, okay.

802
00:49:21.679 --> 00:49:22.480
How long right.

803
00:49:22.440 --> 00:49:26.000
After you two meet up does the gentleman come around dance?

804
00:49:28.480 --> 00:49:36.239
I would guess within a few minutes. I mean a

805
00:49:36.239 --> 00:49:38.159
couple of minutes maybe, so.

806
00:49:38.199 --> 00:49:40.960
A couple of minutes later someone comes around and dancing

807
00:49:41.400 --> 00:49:42.559
and Eron's with you.

808
00:49:44.599 --> 00:49:50.400
Yes, he's not out of your sight. He's been out

809
00:49:50.400 --> 00:49:51.840
of my sight at some point. I mean I didn't

810
00:49:51.840 --> 00:49:54.239
watch him. It's like I went to the bar. I

811
00:49:54.280 --> 00:49:57.400
didn't babysit, mister hernand dance. He's he's an adult.

812
00:49:57.559 --> 00:50:01.960
But your yeah, but you're at the club, yeah, right, correct, okay,

813
00:50:02.280 --> 00:50:06.599
And that is when uh, mister David Brady comes over,

814
00:50:07.199 --> 00:50:10.599
bumps into him, and you immediately take action, as he

815
00:50:10.679 --> 00:50:11.400
stated right.

816
00:50:14.679 --> 00:50:19.440
Numble World. I never stated that I immediately took action. Oh,

817
00:50:20.800 --> 00:50:40.400
I want to make sure I get your words right. Ah,

818
00:50:40.440 --> 00:50:45.039
I'm sorry, You're right. I was on top of it fast.

819
00:50:46.079 --> 00:50:50.239
Did Paul say that after the bumping into it in

820
00:50:50.280 --> 00:50:51.719
the curd, yes, okay.

821
00:50:51.559 --> 00:50:55.000
So you're on top of it, fast bumping happens, and

822
00:50:55.039 --> 00:50:56.280
you grabbed mister Carneddis.

823
00:50:57.280 --> 00:51:00.599
Yeah, grabbed the shirt, Okay, grabbed the shirt, and you

824
00:51:01.159 --> 00:51:05.119
were the peacemaker, if that's what you want to call it.

825
00:51:05.199 --> 00:51:07.320
I just told him we should leave. I should just

826
00:51:07.360 --> 00:51:10.719
suggest that we should leave, if that's the peacemaker. Okay.

827
00:51:10.880 --> 00:51:13.559
You said that you weren't for that, right, was it?

828
00:51:13.639 --> 00:51:14.400
Yes? Correct?

829
00:51:14.440 --> 00:51:17.480
And that you didn't want any trouble. Correct, And that's

830
00:51:17.559 --> 00:51:20.440
not why you go out, correct. And when you go out,

831
00:51:20.480 --> 00:51:21.679
you don't look for trouble.

832
00:51:21.719 --> 00:51:26.519
You don't want rejection, uh, little hurls right, correct.

833
00:51:26.559 --> 00:51:28.280
I don't look for trouble when I go out, and

834
00:51:28.360 --> 00:51:32.199
you don't want trouble when you go off. Projection sustained.

835
00:51:35.000 --> 00:51:38.599
And the fact you like to keep peace all the time,

836
00:51:38.679 --> 00:51:40.000
projection sustaine.

837
00:51:40.280 --> 00:51:42.280
You like to keep the peace while you go out, sir, connection,

838
00:51:42.639 --> 00:51:43.480
that's sustained.

839
00:51:48.000 --> 00:51:51.679
You're a peaceful guy when you go out, Projection sustained.

840
00:51:52.840 --> 00:51:53.199
All right.

841
00:51:53.320 --> 00:51:56.280
So you grab mister Hernandez and you immediately take him

842
00:51:56.280 --> 00:51:57.079
out of the club.

843
00:51:56.920 --> 00:51:59.880
Right, I don't take him out of the club. He

844
00:52:00.079 --> 00:52:03.440
takes yourself off the club, we leave together, correct, okay?

845
00:52:03.639 --> 00:52:06.239
And you don't want him because he's an athlete. You

846
00:52:06.239 --> 00:52:07.440
don't want him getting in trouble.

847
00:52:08.920 --> 00:52:11.719
Not only that, I don't want entered into it. It's

848
00:52:11.760 --> 00:52:13.840
not what I came out for. And on top of that,

849
00:52:14.239 --> 00:52:15.599
he has a lot to lose, and he's a friend

850
00:52:15.639 --> 00:52:17.719
of mine, and I cared about him at the time. Yes,

851
00:52:17.760 --> 00:52:18.679
we know you care about this.

852
00:52:18.800 --> 00:52:24.199
From now when we walk out, stain, Jerry will ignore

853
00:52:24.239 --> 00:52:27.159
the commentary you you cared about him that night, right

854
00:52:28.400 --> 00:52:28.920
at that time?

855
00:52:29.000 --> 00:52:32.800
Yes, okay. And as you're you're taking care of him,

856
00:52:32.840 --> 00:52:36.199
you're you're kind of guiding him out. Would you would

857
00:52:36.239 --> 00:52:36.880
that be fair to say?

858
00:52:37.960 --> 00:52:40.119
We're walking out of the club together, okay, and you

859
00:52:40.199 --> 00:52:42.119
immediately want to get him out of that club because

860
00:52:42.159 --> 00:52:45.440
you know that if Aaron gets in troubles, he'll be

861
00:52:45.559 --> 00:52:49.280
on the news. It's gonna be a problem, right, Yes, okay,

862
00:52:49.559 --> 00:52:52.559
And you're kind of ushering him out.

863
00:52:52.400 --> 00:52:55.719
Will that be fair to say? Answer?

864
00:52:57.519 --> 00:52:59.719
Uh, you may answer it for the last time.

865
00:53:00.079 --> 00:53:02.239
We're walking out the club together, Okay.

866
00:53:02.760 --> 00:53:05.440
You're kind of ushering him up though, right jackcouraging him

867
00:53:05.480 --> 00:53:05.800
to leave.

868
00:53:07.800 --> 00:53:11.280
You may answer, I had encouraged him to leave.

869
00:53:11.360 --> 00:53:14.039
Yes, okay, and that's all the way upstairs and out

870
00:53:14.079 --> 00:53:18.440
the door. Right, Yes, we leave, We go upstairs and

871
00:53:18.480 --> 00:53:20.519
leave out the door. Okay, and you're with him all

872
00:53:20.519 --> 00:53:21.039
the whole time.

873
00:53:22.159 --> 00:53:23.320
Correct, okay.

874
00:53:23.800 --> 00:53:29.119
And remember when we talked about telling the truth, the

875
00:53:29.159 --> 00:53:30.719
whole truth and nothing but the truth.

876
00:53:31.400 --> 00:53:32.119
Yes, okay.

877
00:53:32.199 --> 00:53:34.400
Remember about your immunity agreement. We went over it like

878
00:53:34.440 --> 00:53:35.079
five times.

879
00:53:35.440 --> 00:53:50.320
Yes, okay.

880
00:53:51.159 --> 00:53:54.599
Now you testified yesterday that when Aaron goes out, he's

881
00:53:54.639 --> 00:53:55.880
anti social.

882
00:53:57.000 --> 00:54:02.480
Right now, complete anti social. But he's not the most social.

883
00:54:02.480 --> 00:54:05.360
He doesn't like he's not that social. He doesn't have

884
00:54:05.400 --> 00:54:06.119
a happy face.

885
00:54:08.440 --> 00:54:09.920
I never said he didn't have a happy face.

886
00:54:10.079 --> 00:54:12.960
He's what were your words that he has a tough guy.

887
00:54:12.800 --> 00:54:14.320
I look, he has.

888
00:54:14.400 --> 00:54:16.559
He carries a tough guy demeanor a lot off the Yes,

889
00:54:16.800 --> 00:54:21.559
and he's not social. You said that he's not too social.

890
00:54:21.599 --> 00:54:21.960
He correct.

891
00:54:21.960 --> 00:54:24.079
He likes to go out three times a week, drive

892
00:54:24.119 --> 00:54:26.239
all the way to Boston an.

893
00:54:26.119 --> 00:54:27.480
Hour and a half, and not be social.

894
00:54:27.559 --> 00:54:31.039
Right projection.

895
00:54:32.760 --> 00:54:36.039
No, you may answer that question. You may explain your answer.

896
00:54:39.079 --> 00:54:40.159
I repeat the question again.

897
00:54:40.400 --> 00:54:43.440
He likes to get dressed out, drive an hour and

898
00:54:43.480 --> 00:54:45.960
a half, go all the way to Boston three times

899
00:54:46.000 --> 00:54:47.199
a week and not be social.

900
00:54:48.519 --> 00:54:50.079
That's not correct. It's not an hour and a half

901
00:54:50.079 --> 00:54:53.559
to Boston where he is. It's a close drive for him.

902
00:54:53.760 --> 00:54:57.679
So it's a long drive for me, thirty minutes three

903
00:54:57.800 --> 00:54:58.400
times a week.

904
00:54:58.920 --> 00:55:01.920
Correct, get dressed up, correct, and not.

905
00:55:02.039 --> 00:55:02.880
Be social.

906
00:55:04.559 --> 00:55:09.159
Correctly social with me, just with you for the most part.

907
00:55:09.239 --> 00:55:11.639
Yeah, he just okay, y'all, bad approach.

908
00:55:12.159 --> 00:55:21.920
You may showing you a photograph of Aaron? Is that

909
00:55:21.920 --> 00:55:23.079
what Aaron was wearing that night?

910
00:55:23.360 --> 00:55:23.639
Correct?

911
00:55:23.719 --> 00:55:24.239
Yes? It was?

912
00:55:24.320 --> 00:55:26.920
Is that a fair and accurate representation of Aaron Hernandez

913
00:55:27.559 --> 00:55:29.480
that photoes.

914
00:55:28.639 --> 00:55:29.719
That's what he was wearing a night?

915
00:55:29.920 --> 00:55:32.960
Okay, it's fair and accurate representation of where he was wearing, and.

916
00:55:32.920 --> 00:55:34.280
A heaven fairgraph.

917
00:55:34.679 --> 00:55:38.079
Okay, yes, alright, this time I'd like to move this

918
00:55:38.159 --> 00:55:38.920
in the exentce of it.

919
00:55:39.239 --> 00:55:40.000
Told you.

920
00:55:42.400 --> 00:55:45.440
Now you'll be received as your photograph.

921
00:55:45.519 --> 00:55:46.239
It was the defense.

922
00:56:06.320 --> 00:56:15.280
Now, sir, you've testified in three proceedings in this case, right,

923
00:56:15.719 --> 00:56:18.679
two times in the grand jury, and and here's a

924
00:56:18.239 --> 00:56:23.079
court in this trial court, and you've given multiple statements

925
00:56:23.119 --> 00:56:26.800
to law enforcement court, okay, And in all of these

926
00:56:26.840 --> 00:56:31.559
statements and all of this testimony, you've never mentioned that

927
00:56:32.280 --> 00:56:35.360
at the club that night, Aaron Hernatt is white and

928
00:56:35.400 --> 00:56:36.760
sik a photograph with anyone.

929
00:56:38.119 --> 00:56:41.360
No, I didn't mention it, okay, because you didn't see that, right,

930
00:56:42.039 --> 00:56:43.280
That is correct?

931
00:56:43.400 --> 00:56:46.559
And you were not present there when that photograph was taken.

932
00:56:47.559 --> 00:56:49.440
I should say, I don't recall seeing that, sir, And

933
00:56:49.480 --> 00:56:50.920
I was per I was present in.

934
00:56:50.800 --> 00:56:51.559
That club that night.

935
00:56:52.199 --> 00:56:54.239
You were not present there right there in that back

936
00:56:54.320 --> 00:56:56.440
room when that photograph is taken.

937
00:56:56.239 --> 00:56:58.719
Right protection that back room?

938
00:56:58.840 --> 00:57:01.159
Uh sh is the foundation?

939
00:57:01.639 --> 00:57:04.079
Okay, sir? Can you take a look at the background

940
00:57:04.079 --> 00:57:06.840
of that photograph.

941
00:57:07.039 --> 00:57:07.360
Yes?

942
00:57:07.559 --> 00:57:10.440
Do you see right back here like some balls, like

943
00:57:10.519 --> 00:57:13.559
some round objects there?

944
00:57:13.840 --> 00:57:14.159
Yes?

945
00:57:14.519 --> 00:57:15.000
Okay.

946
00:57:15.320 --> 00:57:17.280
Are you familiar with your nightclub?

947
00:57:17.719 --> 00:57:18.039
Yes?

948
00:57:18.239 --> 00:57:18.639
Okay.

949
00:57:18.760 --> 00:57:21.159
Are you familiar that there's a separate bar area in

950
00:57:21.159 --> 00:57:24.960
the back No, I've never been back there in the

951
00:57:25.079 --> 00:57:26.679
multiple times that you went to cure.

952
00:57:27.360 --> 00:57:29.159
No, I don't recall every being in the back room.

953
00:57:29.159 --> 00:57:29.760
He's out of cure.

954
00:57:30.039 --> 00:57:30.400
Okay.

955
00:57:30.960 --> 00:57:35.519
Well, at the very least, you can testify that you

956
00:57:35.559 --> 00:57:39.760
did not see this happen that night, correct, okay, and

957
00:57:39.800 --> 00:57:43.480
that you can't account for Aaron if this, if this

958
00:57:43.519 --> 00:57:46.519
photograph was in fact taken that night, you cannot account

959
00:57:46.519 --> 00:57:48.360
for that time in any way whatsoe?

960
00:57:49.440 --> 00:57:54.239
Correct? I didn't, baby, said mister Andez. Okay, now in

961
00:57:54.280 --> 00:57:55.519
the entire time.

962
00:57:59.039 --> 00:58:03.440
That you're in that club, whatever transpired here, you just

963
00:58:03.480 --> 00:58:03.960
don't know.

964
00:58:03.960 --> 00:58:08.320
Right, Do you mean this particular photo? Yeah, I have

965
00:58:08.320 --> 00:58:10.239
no recollection of this now and when.

966
00:58:10.119 --> 00:58:15.400
The police questioned you about your involvement, that he's thinking,

967
00:58:17.679 --> 00:58:19.840
if in fact this photo was taken that night, that

968
00:58:19.960 --> 00:58:21.480
is not a complete.

969
00:58:22.639 --> 00:58:28.239
Version of would occurred that night, right, sustained that. Okay,

970
00:58:30.199 --> 00:58:36.039
I'm gonna try the question now you testify that Aaron

971
00:58:38.039 --> 00:58:45.559
it's not very social, right, correct? Yeah, that he doesn't.

972
00:58:45.320 --> 00:58:47.719
Like being recognized and things like that.

973
00:58:47.840 --> 01:00:01.440
Right, collect something along those lines, correct, every reperch you may, sir.

974
01:00:01.480 --> 01:00:05.760
I'm gonna show you a diagram that is listed as

975
01:00:06.159 --> 01:00:09.920
a exhibited h which is a floor plan of the club. Cure,

976
01:00:10.280 --> 01:00:11.000
do you see that, sir?

977
01:00:11.719 --> 01:00:11.920
Yes?

978
01:00:12.320 --> 01:00:12.559
Kay?

979
01:00:12.800 --> 01:00:17.480
Do you recognize it as uh as Cure see the

980
01:00:17.519 --> 01:00:20.800
stairs on the bottom, yes, I do see stairs there.

981
01:00:20.719 --> 01:00:21.719
In the bar here?

982
01:00:22.880 --> 01:00:23.079
Yes?

983
01:00:23.360 --> 01:00:26.679
Okay, this area here, this back area. Have you ever

984
01:00:26.719 --> 01:00:27.280
been back there?

985
01:00:27.320 --> 01:00:28.000
And Cure.

986
01:00:29.800 --> 01:00:33.480
Not that I recall, Kay, And you also don't recall

987
01:00:33.599 --> 01:00:34.880
ever seeing Aaron Hernants.

988
01:00:34.920 --> 01:00:36.239
Go back to this area that night.

989
01:00:37.159 --> 01:00:51.360
No, I don't call see him go back there? Good yead.

990
01:01:03.119 --> 01:01:06.880
Okay, all right, sir.

991
01:01:06.960 --> 01:01:18.119
I'm now directing your attention to the Cure videos, and

992
01:01:18.159 --> 01:01:21.199
I'd like for you to tell if you can in

993
01:01:21.239 --> 01:01:43.840
just a moment, okay, that is that mister Hernandez that

994
01:01:43.920 --> 01:01:48.159
just walked in. Yes, okay, And I want you to

995
01:01:48.199 --> 01:01:51.480
note the last time that you can see Aaron Hernandez

996
01:01:51.519 --> 01:01:55.639
on this tape.

997
01:01:58.760 --> 01:02:01.760
Do you see that just went out of focus?

998
01:02:01.880 --> 01:02:04.639
Or do you still see his shadow there? I believe

999
01:02:04.639 --> 01:02:06.360
he's out of focus right there?

1000
01:02:06.440 --> 01:02:10.000
Do you see his shadow? I believe he's out of focus.

1001
01:02:10.000 --> 01:02:10.760
It may be a shadow.

1002
01:02:11.000 --> 01:02:13.199
Can speak up, sir, I said, I believe he's out

1003
01:02:13.199 --> 01:02:14.360
of focus. It may be a shadow.

1004
01:02:14.400 --> 01:02:14.960
I'm not sure.

1005
01:02:15.199 --> 01:02:18.920
Okay, you see yourself right there, right? Yes, you're still

1006
01:02:19.280 --> 01:02:20.480
in camera view?

1007
01:02:22.000 --> 01:02:22.599
Is that correct?

1008
01:02:22.639 --> 01:02:23.239
That's correct?

1009
01:02:23.400 --> 01:02:23.679
Okay.

1010
01:02:23.760 --> 01:02:25.719
Now let's see when you're out of camera view.

1011
01:02:29.719 --> 01:02:32.000
Do you see that? Yes?

1012
01:02:32.280 --> 01:02:33.840
Twelve thirty nine forty two.

1013
01:02:35.880 --> 01:02:37.840
They jumped nine minutes, I think.

1014
01:02:37.719 --> 01:02:45.880
Sir, yeah it did. Let's see if we can catch

1015
01:02:45.920 --> 01:03:06.119
that last second. Twelve thirty nine, twelve thirty forty five.

1016
01:03:06.239 --> 01:03:08.119
I guess forty six.

1017
01:03:08.159 --> 01:03:10.519
Forty forty eight. It looks like you about we're around here,

1018
01:03:10.599 --> 01:03:11.519
yeah okay.

1019
01:03:12.320 --> 01:03:17.719
And then the next time it comes into focus, it's

1020
01:03:17.760 --> 01:03:21.719
twelve thirty nine forty two, and right there you see

1021
01:03:21.760 --> 01:03:23.079
Aaron coming up the stairs.

1022
01:03:22.840 --> 01:03:26.840
Right right here. Yes, it appears to be mister is okay.

1023
01:03:27.440 --> 01:03:30.480
Now I want you to take note of his demeanor

1024
01:03:33.599 --> 01:03:38.559
and the time. That's the difference of nine minutes, right correct? Okay,

1025
01:03:38.800 --> 01:03:40.639
So the total time that you were in the club

1026
01:03:40.719 --> 01:03:46.320
was nine minutes correct. Take note of his demeanor.

1027
01:03:47.400 --> 01:03:48.079
And where are you.

1028
01:03:50.880 --> 01:03:52.199
Leave him? Coming up behind him?

1029
01:03:52.400 --> 01:03:52.679
Right?

1030
01:03:52.920 --> 01:03:53.119
Oh?

1031
01:03:53.199 --> 01:03:56.880
No, that's not you yet. He's still waiting on you

1032
01:03:56.960 --> 01:04:01.440
right there you go a couple seconds, yes, yeah, okay.

1033
01:04:01.639 --> 01:04:05.679
So another individual was behind Aaron or Nanda's not you

1034
01:04:05.880 --> 01:04:10.559
right correct okay. And Aaron had a way up on

1035
01:04:10.639 --> 01:04:12.280
top of the stairs for you to come out of

1036
01:04:12.280 --> 01:04:12.639
the club.

1037
01:04:14.840 --> 01:04:17.000
He made it a couple of seconds, yes, okay.

1038
01:04:17.599 --> 01:04:20.199
And when he comes up, let's see what he's doing.

1039
01:04:24.320 --> 01:04:26.199
Do you see that he has his phone in his hand?

1040
01:04:27.679 --> 01:04:29.280
Yes, I did see the phone, okay.

1041
01:04:29.719 --> 01:04:34.159
And he has two drinks, right, I believe so, yes,

1042
01:04:36.519 --> 01:04:40.079
and he chugs them both right, yes, which means that

1043
01:04:40.119 --> 01:04:41.119
he doesn't.

1044
01:04:41.159 --> 01:04:45.159
He hadn't completed his drinks at all in the barn, right,

1045
01:04:46.480 --> 01:04:48.760
doesn't necessarily mean he hadn't completed his drinks.

1046
01:04:49.280 --> 01:04:53.119
So he's just drinking ice, you think, No, he.

1047
01:04:53.159 --> 01:04:54.760
Could have purchased more drinks in between.

1048
01:04:55.360 --> 01:04:56.880
Did you see him purchase more drinks?

1049
01:04:56.960 --> 01:04:58.800
I don't recall see him purchase more drinks?

1050
01:04:58.840 --> 01:05:01.400
Okay, So you can't testify as to whether he bought

1051
01:05:01.440 --> 01:05:02.599
more than two drinks, right?

1052
01:05:03.320 --> 01:05:06.440
No, I testify it right now that he could. But

1053
01:05:06.480 --> 01:05:10.280
now he could have bought two drinks without you seeing them, right? No,

1054
01:05:10.400 --> 01:05:13.599
s did you want me to definitively say that he

1055
01:05:13.599 --> 01:05:15.639
could have only had two drinks? I only want you

1056
01:05:15.719 --> 01:05:18.159
to at least say what you saw now? What you

1057
01:05:18.239 --> 01:05:20.320
saw is so like him only buy two drinks, right

1058
01:05:21.400 --> 01:05:22.000
that I recall?

1059
01:05:22.079 --> 01:05:22.400
Correct?

1060
01:05:22.440 --> 01:05:25.480
Okay, So what you're saying now is that could have

1061
01:05:25.519 --> 01:05:32.119
bought two more? Now, uh, let's say no over room. Right.

1062
01:05:33.360 --> 01:05:37.320
It was the wording that you used, which the.

1063
01:05:37.280 --> 01:05:39.559
Wording I use? What words did I use that you

1064
01:05:39.559 --> 01:05:45.159
didn't understand? Sir? You said he could only choked two drinks.

1065
01:05:45.280 --> 01:05:47.400
He only choked two drinks, is what you said. Then

1066
01:05:47.440 --> 01:05:49.840
you responded, he could have bought two more drinks. He

1067
01:05:49.880 --> 01:05:53.880
could have gotten more, right, Okay, did you see him

1068
01:05:53.920 --> 01:05:56.280
buy two more drinks? I never said that. I did

1069
01:05:56.320 --> 01:05:57.400
see him by more And.

1070
01:05:57.320 --> 01:06:01.239
That's because you were out doing other business and not watching.

1071
01:06:00.920 --> 01:06:05.400
It or not being around Aaron Hernandez. Right, objection, old world, Uh,

1072
01:06:06.239 --> 01:06:08.000
can you explain to me what other business will be?

1073
01:06:08.840 --> 01:06:09.800
What business are you in?

1074
01:06:09.880 --> 01:06:10.039
Sir?

1075
01:06:10.599 --> 01:06:11.360
P Jection.

1076
01:06:13.679 --> 01:06:16.480
Reframed the question are you a drug dealer?

1077
01:06:17.559 --> 01:06:17.960
Injection?

1078
01:06:21.400 --> 01:06:22.079
Old hurdled?

1079
01:06:23.559 --> 01:06:30.719
Currently, No, okay, all right, you didn't see him take

1080
01:06:30.760 --> 01:06:33.400
a picture with the fan, right, No, I did it?

1081
01:06:33.519 --> 01:06:36.000
Okay, that whole time when he went back to that room,

1082
01:06:36.159 --> 01:06:38.920
you have no idea. In fact, you had no idea.

1083
01:06:39.039 --> 01:06:42.320
But till today, four years later, that Aaron he even

1084
01:06:42.320 --> 01:06:46.880
took that photo right, correct. And now you're saying he

1085
01:06:46.920 --> 01:06:51.840
could have bought two more dress right because you weren't.

1086
01:06:51.599 --> 01:06:53.840
With him, I did say.

1087
01:06:54.079 --> 01:06:57.239
And we just saw you coming out of the nightclub where

1088
01:06:57.320 --> 01:07:05.840
you're not even with him, did we. You're behind him, right.

1089
01:07:04.840 --> 01:07:06.719
Yes, I was two seconds behind him.

1090
01:07:06.760 --> 01:07:10.719
After telling this jury that as soon as it you

1091
01:07:10.800 --> 01:07:14.400
were on it fast, right, correct, those are your words.

1092
01:07:14.519 --> 01:07:16.320
You're on it fast, and you got.

1093
01:07:16.159 --> 01:07:16.639
Him to go out.

1094
01:07:16.960 --> 01:07:18.320
You got him to go out of the club.

1095
01:07:18.440 --> 01:07:22.360
Right correct, And you're left together, right yes, not that

1096
01:07:22.400 --> 01:07:25.000
Aaron's least first, and he's waiting on you to come

1097
01:07:25.039 --> 01:07:26.039
up the stairs.

1098
01:07:25.679 --> 01:07:26.079
Right.

1099
01:07:28.159 --> 01:07:29.400
Correct. I said we left together.

1100
01:07:35.920 --> 01:07:38.559
Now you guys go out of the club, right correct.

1101
01:07:41.719 --> 01:07:44.679
There's one and there's two. You see those? Yes, so

1102
01:07:44.719 --> 01:07:51.480
I'm take a drink, yes, okay, that's him finishing two drinks,

1103
01:07:52.679 --> 01:08:08.800
right correct. Well I'm not even gonna get back into that, okay.

1104
01:08:00.239 --> 01:08:11.800
H h. So Now as soon.

1105
01:08:11.679 --> 01:08:15.000
As you walk out of the club, the two of

1106
01:08:15.039 --> 01:08:19.039
you begin a discussion, right correct, and Aaron tells you

1107
01:08:19.199 --> 01:08:20.880
to keep him out of your ship.

1108
01:08:20.960 --> 01:08:27.920
Right objection, it's no overrule, wrong okay, and you claim

1109
01:08:28.039 --> 01:08:31.039
that you're the one common Aaron down right correct?

1110
01:08:31.439 --> 01:08:31.800
Okay.

1111
01:08:32.520 --> 01:08:40.520
Now at this point you stop, right, you mean what

1112
01:08:40.600 --> 01:08:43.199
I'll stop what you saw and you lean into him like.

1113
01:08:43.159 --> 01:08:48.039
This, right cancel? Let me show you what sh are.

1114
01:08:48.680 --> 01:09:07.720
Yeah, okay, just cliege.

1115
01:09:08.439 --> 01:09:11.520
Did you see the movement that you made towards mister Hernandez?

1116
01:09:11.600 --> 01:09:11.760
Right?

1117
01:09:12.920 --> 01:09:13.920
Can you back it up? Please?

1118
01:09:13.920 --> 01:09:14.159
Sure?

1119
01:09:14.279 --> 01:09:24.880
So I can look.

1120
01:09:25.399 --> 01:09:26.960
I want you to see when you raise your left

1121
01:09:26.960 --> 01:09:33.600
hand and you lean into him right there? You see that, yes, okay?

1122
01:09:35.079 --> 01:09:37.319
And that's when you're voicing to him, what's going on?

1123
01:09:37.439 --> 01:09:41.880
Right, what's going on in regards to what going on

1124
01:09:41.960 --> 01:09:42.439
in the plug?

1125
01:09:44.800 --> 01:09:46.359
I didn't have to voice to him what's going on.

1126
01:09:46.479 --> 01:09:49.399
He was already had an altercation. That's not correct.

1127
01:09:49.720 --> 01:09:52.560
Okay, let's move We're gonna move forward a little bit.

1128
01:09:54.199 --> 01:10:00.880
You testified earlier that Aaron was upset and he wanted

1129
01:10:00.920 --> 01:10:05.960
to go back into cure. Do you recall that testimony, sir, I.

1130
01:10:05.880 --> 01:10:08.359
Don't recall saying he wanted to go back into cure.

1131
01:10:09.159 --> 01:10:14.239
Okay, who's walking ahead? To go away from the situation

1132
01:10:15.000 --> 01:10:19.399
in this in this uh? I guess in this video

1133
01:10:19.479 --> 01:10:19.840
right here?

1134
01:10:21.520 --> 01:10:25.199
Yeah, we're that's walking away.

1135
01:10:25.439 --> 01:10:26.600
Who's walking ahead?

1136
01:10:28.760 --> 01:10:30.880
He appears to be a couple of steps in front

1137
01:10:30.880 --> 01:10:31.199
of him?

1138
01:10:31.239 --> 01:10:36.800
Okay, yah yah.

1139
01:10:46.079 --> 01:11:05.199
H yeah, who's the Do you see the you're moving

1140
01:11:05.239 --> 01:11:08.560
your hands a lot. Yes, Aaron's not doing that right.

1141
01:11:10.159 --> 01:11:12.319
No, not at this point now, Okay, the one who's

1142
01:11:12.359 --> 01:11:14.640
doing all of the flailing of the hands, is you right?

1143
01:11:15.319 --> 01:11:16.359
Objection of flailing?

1144
01:11:17.640 --> 01:11:19.880
The jury will decide whether that's your.

1145
01:11:19.720 --> 01:11:28.479
Flail moving your hands correct? And you continue to do

1146
01:11:28.520 --> 01:11:34.279
that right? You still have your hands out?

1147
01:11:34.439 --> 01:11:36.439
Yeah, well, I'm still watching. He's going in slow motion,

1148
01:11:36.520 --> 01:11:37.560
but yes, I still have my.

1149
01:11:37.479 --> 01:11:39.840
Hands up still, and you just put them down right there,

1150
01:11:39.920 --> 01:11:41.079
right up again?

1151
01:11:41.520 --> 01:11:43.399
Correct, see that up again?

1152
01:11:44.279 --> 01:11:44.680
Correct.

1153
01:11:46.880 --> 01:11:50.119
You are animated as you're speaking to him.

1154
01:11:50.159 --> 01:11:52.000
Correct, talking the way I know. If you do, I

1155
01:11:52.079 --> 01:11:52.680
move my hands.

1156
01:11:52.760 --> 01:12:08.720
Okay, you gotta fast forward this a little bit to

1157
01:12:08.760 --> 01:12:18.479
where you covered yesterday. You guys go to the end

1158
01:12:18.520 --> 01:12:21.680
of the garage and then you come back right correct.

1159
01:12:27.239 --> 01:12:29.399
You continue to be animated with your hands in the

1160
01:12:29.439 --> 01:12:32.079
air right correct.

1161
01:12:32.079 --> 01:12:33.239
I continue talking.

1162
01:12:33.039 --> 01:12:34.520
And Aaron is just standing there.

1163
01:12:35.479 --> 01:12:35.920
Correct.

1164
01:12:36.199 --> 01:12:40.039
Okay.

1165
01:12:42.680 --> 01:12:45.640
It's at this time where you guys decide you're gonna

1166
01:12:45.680 --> 01:12:48.920
go to the club across the street, right, correct, and

1167
01:12:48.960 --> 01:12:53.560
you're gonna have a good time. Yes, Okay, Aaron wants

1168
01:12:53.600 --> 01:12:54.479
to go across the street.

1169
01:12:55.760 --> 01:12:57.319
Aaron agrees to go across the street.

1170
01:12:57.520 --> 01:12:59.640
Aaron wants to go across the street.

1171
01:13:00.720 --> 01:13:03.000
Sustained in that form, all right.

1172
01:13:03.159 --> 01:13:04.960
Let's see if Aaron wants to go across the street.

1173
01:13:07.119 --> 01:13:12.880
It's escaped right there. Aaron starts to walk across the street,

1174
01:13:12.960 --> 01:13:13.520
does he not.

1175
01:13:14.000 --> 01:13:16.479
Yes, he waves his hands and walks across.

1176
01:13:16.199 --> 01:13:20.439
The street exactly. He walks in that direction, and you stop.

1177
01:13:21.840 --> 01:13:24.800
Right yeah at that point I stopped right there. Yes,

1178
01:13:25.000 --> 01:13:26.560
you're not going with him across the street?

1179
01:13:28.359 --> 01:13:29.479
Right? Wrong?

1180
01:13:30.279 --> 01:13:31.479
You're stopped at.

1181
01:13:31.279 --> 01:13:32.760
That point right at that point?

1182
01:13:32.840 --> 01:13:33.119
Yes?

1183
01:13:33.279 --> 01:13:33.680
Okay.

1184
01:13:33.920 --> 01:13:36.600
The one who's walking across to the other club across

1185
01:13:36.600 --> 01:13:38.199
the street is Aaron Hernandez right.

1186
01:13:38.319 --> 01:13:40.560
Correcttraction across the street is on the sidewalk.

1187
01:13:42.560 --> 01:13:45.359
One who was walking in the direction of the length

1188
01:13:45.359 --> 01:13:47.199
club across the street is Aaron Hernandez.

1189
01:13:47.680 --> 01:13:48.079
Correct.

1190
01:13:48.720 --> 01:13:53.000
The one who is not is you correct at that time?

1191
01:13:55.079 --> 01:13:58.399
And is that because you have unfinished business at cure. No,

1192
01:14:01.279 --> 01:14:04.520
Aaron has to come back and get you right wrong?

1193
01:14:06.560 --> 01:14:07.800
You meet up now with Aaron.

1194
01:14:10.279 --> 01:14:11.159
Correct.

1195
01:14:13.000 --> 01:14:15.079
You still are not walking across the street.

1196
01:14:17.960 --> 01:14:18.399
Correct?

1197
01:14:18.560 --> 01:14:23.399
Correct. Neither of us are, and.

1198
01:14:23.399 --> 01:14:27.279
After much discussion you'll finally agree. You finally agree to

1199
01:14:27.319 --> 01:14:28.680
go across the street, do you not, sir?

1200
01:14:30.560 --> 01:14:32.079
Yes, we agree to go across the street.

1201
01:14:33.079 --> 01:14:40.039
MM. Look at y You stop right now right correct?

1202
01:14:40.479 --> 01:14:46.600
And you're continuing to debate with eron. That's not a debate, sir,

1203
01:14:47.079 --> 01:14:51.119
A you're raising your hands. I'm talking with my hands.

1204
01:14:51.119 --> 01:14:51.479
Correct.

1205
01:14:51.600 --> 01:15:01.039
Okay, So now you guys go across the street right there,

1206
01:15:01.119 --> 01:15:03.000
right at one O five thirty four.

1207
01:15:05.000 --> 01:15:05.680
Is that accurate?

1208
01:15:06.439 --> 01:15:06.680
Yes?

1209
01:15:07.039 --> 01:15:10.079
Okay. Now let's talk about what happens across the street?

1210
01:15:11.600 --> 01:15:13.840
Is is is that that's coming back from across the

1211
01:15:13.840 --> 01:15:18.359
street finish ships yes, or that that's going across the

1212
01:15:18.399 --> 01:15:21.279
street in one five. Let's play that back.

1213
01:15:21.520 --> 01:15:30.640
Sure, I'm sorry. Twelve forty twelve forty three thirteen.

1214
01:15:30.800 --> 01:15:31.720
Sounds more accurate.

1215
01:15:32.399 --> 01:15:49.600
All right, all right, sir.

1216
01:15:49.680 --> 01:15:57.680
So yesterday, yesterday, you testify that when you got back

1217
01:15:57.680 --> 01:16:02.079
to the other club, that Aaron thought he saw one

1218
01:16:02.159 --> 01:16:03.159
of the guys.

1219
01:16:03.439 --> 01:16:04.199
That were in Cure.

1220
01:16:04.800 --> 01:16:04.840
No.

1221
01:16:05.000 --> 01:16:07.680
Two of the guys. Don't cure across the street and

1222
01:16:07.800 --> 01:16:08.880
follow you guys, right.

1223
01:16:10.520 --> 01:16:10.720
Wrong.

1224
01:16:10.760 --> 01:16:13.119
I didn't say they followed us, like directly across the

1225
01:16:13.159 --> 01:16:14.720
street until he got into the club.

1226
01:16:15.439 --> 01:16:15.720
Mr.

1227
01:16:15.720 --> 01:16:19.239
Hernandez, and myself as well, at a point thought that

1228
01:16:19.279 --> 01:16:21.159
a gentleman from across the street came over there.

1229
01:16:21.560 --> 01:16:26.119
You testified that Aaron thought he saw someone across the street, right.

1230
01:16:27.520 --> 01:16:27.680
Right.

1231
01:16:27.720 --> 01:16:30.680
And I also testified that I agreed that I thought

1232
01:16:30.680 --> 01:16:32.199
someone would come across the street.

1233
01:16:40.560 --> 01:16:42.600
Finking have a course indulgence. My MoMA changed me.

1234
01:17:19.319 --> 01:17:23.439
Now, when you spoke to the police about this, you

1235
01:17:23.520 --> 01:17:27.399
told the police that you saw.

1236
01:17:27.319 --> 01:17:30.520
Two of the individuals who meetings with across the street. Right.

1237
01:17:33.199 --> 01:17:36.159
I may have testified that I do believe that I

1238
01:17:36.159 --> 01:17:37.479
saw individual across the street.

1239
01:17:37.520 --> 01:17:40.000
I'm not sure if I said two of 'em are okay?

1240
01:17:40.239 --> 01:17:43.439
And you specifically told the police that you saw the.

1241
01:17:43.399 --> 01:17:46.319
Gentleman with the braids across the street.

1242
01:17:46.079 --> 01:17:48.640
At the other bar with you guys, right, I.

1243
01:17:48.600 --> 01:17:52.000
Believe I said, I thought I saw the gentleman with

1244
01:17:52.039 --> 01:17:53.119
the braids across the street.

1245
01:17:53.439 --> 01:17:56.479
That's all you said, right, But.

1246
01:17:57.520 --> 01:17:59.319
If you're willing to show me, I b that's my

1247
01:17:59.359 --> 01:18:00.640
belief that I suh.

1248
01:18:02.720 --> 01:18:07.119
You recall being asked, sir as it relates to the

1249
01:18:07.119 --> 01:18:10.479
gentleman across the street, Page twenty eight, lines eight, Council

1250
01:18:11.560 --> 01:18:16.760
of the Statement, October eighth, the prophet just the two

1251
01:18:16.800 --> 01:18:19.840
of them, and you responded, yeah, I recall two of them.

1252
01:18:20.199 --> 01:18:22.720
The one that actually did the hard bump was the

1253
01:18:22.760 --> 01:18:25.319
first one I noticed across the street, and I think

1254
01:18:25.359 --> 01:18:29.520
the other gentleman who wasn't light skin. Only one of

1255
01:18:29.520 --> 01:18:31.720
the light skin guys I think came across the street.

1256
01:18:32.079 --> 01:18:35.039
The other one, the other gentleman who had a low cut,

1257
01:18:35.199 --> 01:18:39.399
who I described earlier, who came there too, and he

1258
01:18:39.479 --> 01:18:41.680
noticed them coming in. As soon as they came in,

1259
01:18:42.000 --> 01:18:44.640
it was kind of like, see, look, do you call

1260
01:18:44.720 --> 01:18:45.920
making that statement.

1261
01:18:46.600 --> 01:18:48.039
Which is why I asked you to repeat it. I

1262
01:18:48.039 --> 01:18:50.720
believe I did, but I wasn't sure exactly what I said.

1263
01:18:52.600 --> 01:18:59.800
So you saw Daniel Debrau across at that bar, right.

1264
01:18:59.520 --> 01:19:00.439
I believe that I did.

1265
01:19:00.560 --> 01:19:03.239
Yes. And the other one who he said was not

1266
01:19:03.319 --> 01:19:06.399
light skin was tall. That would be mister Sanchez.

1267
01:19:07.439 --> 01:19:08.920
I don't know if that was mister Sanchez.

1268
01:19:09.039 --> 01:19:11.439
You stated there was another dark skinned guy who was

1269
01:19:11.479 --> 01:19:12.720
about about your height.

1270
01:19:12.800 --> 01:19:16.359
You remember saying that. Yes, I believe I said that, okay, So.

1271
01:19:17.399 --> 01:19:19.600
You don't know his name, but you know he was

1272
01:19:19.720 --> 01:19:24.079
dark skin and about your height, right, I believe so, yes, okay.

1273
01:19:24.239 --> 01:19:26.880
And the two of that came across the street, and

1274
01:19:26.880 --> 01:19:29.600
not only did you notice them, you also know told

1275
01:19:29.640 --> 01:19:32.560
the police he saw them laughing and having a good time.

1276
01:19:33.920 --> 01:19:37.199
Yes, I told the police that we both police that right,

1277
01:19:37.279 --> 01:19:40.399
that we believe that. Yes, okay. No, you told the

1278
01:19:40.399 --> 01:19:41.880
police that you saw it, right.

1279
01:19:42.479 --> 01:19:45.079
That I believe I saw it, yes, okay, And.

1280
01:19:49.479 --> 01:19:55.800
You're aware that that's not true, right, It's not true

1281
01:19:55.840 --> 01:19:57.399
that he thought he shot that.

1282
01:19:58.039 --> 01:20:01.520
I'll rephrase the question. Have the police informed you, sir,

1283
01:20:02.079 --> 01:20:04.760
that the gentlemen who were at here that night never

1284
01:20:04.920 --> 01:20:08.239
left heure nightclub and went across the street. No, okay,

1285
01:20:08.359 --> 01:20:11.720
so they never informed you that. No, So when you tailored,

1286
01:20:12.159 --> 01:20:19.640
when you testify that mister Hernandez thought he saw someone,

1287
01:20:20.319 --> 01:20:23.760
Saudi thought he saw them across the street, you were

1288
01:20:23.760 --> 01:20:27.560
not saying it was mister Hernandez that side you saw

1289
01:20:27.600 --> 01:20:30.399
it too, right, I'm shaded in.

1290
01:20:30.359 --> 01:20:32.359
That Form's try that again.

1291
01:20:44.199 --> 01:20:47.800
As you sit here today, sir, is it your testimony

1292
01:20:48.479 --> 01:20:51.439
that you saw the gentleman with the brakes go across

1293
01:20:51.439 --> 01:20:54.720
the street to the other bar with behind you and

1294
01:20:54.760 --> 01:20:55.600
mister Hernandez.

1295
01:20:55.800 --> 01:21:00.319
As I sit here today, I believe that individual or

1296
01:21:00.359 --> 01:21:03.640
two individuals came from across the streets to the bar. Okay,

1297
01:21:04.039 --> 01:21:08.600
and then you left that bar twenty minutes later? Right?

1298
01:21:08.840 --> 01:21:10.960
If twenty minutes is accurate, I'm not sure.

1299
01:21:11.000 --> 01:21:13.520
All right, Well, let's look, this is twelve forty three.

1300
01:21:14.199 --> 01:21:16.399
You guys are still on the sidewalk. I mean, yeah,

1301
01:21:16.479 --> 01:21:18.760
twelve forty three. Am you see that?

1302
01:21:19.399 --> 01:21:19.640
Yep?

1303
01:21:21.720 --> 01:21:26.840
It's probably this whole still drink incident, just something we're

1304
01:21:26.880 --> 01:21:28.039
completely making out visit.

1305
01:21:29.000 --> 01:21:29.159
No.

1306
01:21:30.119 --> 01:21:33.319
In fact, well, Frank, you're right, you didn't make it up, right.

1307
01:21:34.079 --> 01:21:37.920
Jaction Shaine put a questreet.

1308
01:21:37.560 --> 01:21:39.720
Yes, you didn't make it up because you, in fact

1309
01:21:39.800 --> 01:21:42.119
did go out with Aaron one night and saw a

1310
01:21:42.199 --> 01:21:43.119
guy bump into.

1311
01:21:43.159 --> 01:21:44.119
Erin and still a drink.

1312
01:21:44.159 --> 01:21:48.840
All over, right, Jackson, now over, did you beat the question? Please?

1313
01:21:49.000 --> 01:21:51.199
You in fact did go out with Aaron on another

1314
01:21:51.319 --> 01:21:53.600
night and saw guys spill a drink.

1315
01:21:53.359 --> 01:21:56.720
On aeron another night, you mean, a different night from

1316
01:21:56.760 --> 01:22:01.520
this correct? Not correct, an error, and in fact ended

1317
01:22:01.600 --> 01:22:02.640
up buying that guy a drink.

1318
01:22:05.039 --> 01:22:05.600
Not correct.

1319
01:22:05.960 --> 01:22:07.960
And that's where you get in this whole spilled drink

1320
01:22:08.039 --> 01:22:09.199
story from, isn't it sir?

1321
01:22:10.319 --> 01:22:11.199
It's not correct, sir.

1322
01:22:11.319 --> 01:22:17.119
Okay, you're using us to bring it up here, aren't you, sir?

1323
01:22:17.399 --> 01:22:17.760
All right?

1324
01:22:18.600 --> 01:22:21.760
The objection is sustained in ladies and gentlemen. Let me

1325
01:22:21.840 --> 01:22:25.159
remind you it is the testimony of the witness that

1326
01:22:25.279 --> 01:22:30.039
determines what facts have been demonstrated. Cannot facts contained within

1327
01:22:30.119 --> 01:22:33.600
a question that a witness does not adopt in their answer,

1328
01:22:34.439 --> 01:22:35.439
mister bias.

1329
01:22:35.439 --> 01:22:37.800
Sir, for the record, I will be bringing that up

1330
01:22:38.239 --> 01:22:43.600
at a later time. Now, I want to go back

1331
01:22:43.640 --> 01:22:51.000
to the video and where we left off earlier before

1332
01:22:51.000 --> 01:22:56.399
the break. Okay, where we left off, you guys had

1333
01:22:56.399 --> 01:23:01.199
gone to the other club, right, correct? The club where

1334
01:23:01.840 --> 01:23:06.159
Daniel day A Bray, you and another individual will never actjection.

1335
01:23:08.119 --> 01:23:09.880
I'm sorry put the question against her.

1336
01:23:10.079 --> 01:23:12.800
The club where Daniel ley Abrai, You and the other

1337
01:23:12.840 --> 01:23:15.239
individual were not at objection.

1338
01:23:16.680 --> 01:23:20.359
Just suestine in that form, rephrase the club.

1339
01:23:20.119 --> 01:23:27.800
Where we covered that you left the club after thinking

1340
01:23:28.239 --> 01:23:29.680
you saw Daniel Dave break.

1341
01:23:29.880 --> 01:23:35.520
Jaction was another name I know whole world. Sure he

1342
01:23:35.600 --> 01:23:37.279
knows the name, right, know? You know the name right now?

1343
01:23:37.359 --> 01:23:37.520
Right?

1344
01:23:39.039 --> 01:23:39.600
I mean I don't.

1345
01:23:39.800 --> 01:23:42.279
I know I've heard the names, but I'm not exactly

1346
01:23:42.319 --> 01:23:44.079
sure what individuals are who by.

1347
01:23:44.000 --> 01:23:47.720
Needy h Sir?

1348
01:23:48.800 --> 01:23:52.319
After leaving that club or you thought you saw these individuals?

1349
01:23:53.000 --> 01:23:54.279
Did you stay outside it all?

1350
01:23:56.319 --> 01:23:57.439
After leaving what club?

1351
01:23:57.520 --> 01:23:58.279
The Second Club?

1352
01:24:00.239 --> 01:24:00.439
Yes?

1353
01:24:00.520 --> 01:24:03.399
I believe, well we did stay outside for how long

1354
01:24:03.439 --> 01:24:04.760
would you say you stay outside?

1355
01:24:06.439 --> 01:24:07.319
I believe.

1356
01:24:09.039 --> 01:24:12.319
We were outside.

1357
01:24:12.760 --> 01:24:15.640
Maybe a hour or so?

1358
01:24:15.800 --> 01:24:15.960
No?

1359
01:24:15.960 --> 01:24:18.079
No, no, I'm talking about after leaving the Second Club,

1360
01:24:18.079 --> 01:24:21.920
but before getting your car, the car before runner.

1361
01:24:22.479 --> 01:24:23.600
Oh, I'm not sure.

1362
01:24:24.560 --> 01:24:31.199
Okay, now it is one O five. Did you see that, sir? Yes, okay,

1363
01:24:31.199 --> 01:24:33.680
it's at this point that you decide to go back

1364
01:24:35.319 --> 01:24:37.279
and get the Toyota four runner, right.

1365
01:24:39.359 --> 01:24:42.640
Yes, that we decided to go get the four Runner? Okay?

1366
01:24:48.079 --> 01:24:51.399
Do you ever walk out again prior to getting the

1367
01:24:51.399 --> 01:24:51.880
fore Runner?

1368
01:24:51.920 --> 01:24:52.239
After this?

1369
01:24:55.039 --> 01:24:56.399
Do I ever walk out of where, sir?

1370
01:24:56.680 --> 01:24:57.399
Out of the garage?

1371
01:24:57.479 --> 01:25:03.159
Right here, the two of you are okay. There you

1372
01:25:03.279 --> 01:25:06.359
testify that I had after going to the other club

1373
01:25:06.359 --> 01:25:09.680
and seeing Daniel day Brady, Aaron.

1374
01:25:09.439 --> 01:25:13.760
Got mad, right, Yes, you felt he were. He was

1375
01:25:13.800 --> 01:25:17.119
being tried, as you and mister Hagan White to say.

1376
01:25:17.159 --> 01:25:22.640
Right jection to sustained in that form as you say, correct, kay, And.

1377
01:25:24.840 --> 01:25:26.520
Did you just see him giving you a fist pump?

1378
01:25:27.239 --> 01:25:27.760
Yes, I did.

1379
01:25:28.039 --> 01:25:29.319
Okay, And right.

1380
01:25:29.159 --> 01:25:33.239
There Aaron is furious, isn't he?

1381
01:25:33.239 --> 01:25:37.880
He has show no oh hurld at this point. Yes,

1382
01:25:37.920 --> 01:25:40.520
he was upset about the incident of just the current.

1383
01:25:40.720 --> 01:25:42.640
And that's what he looks like when when he has

1384
01:25:42.640 --> 01:25:46.960
his upset demeanor on right, and.

1385
01:25:47.239 --> 01:25:50.159
We were engaging in discussion, so it coulda been he

1386
01:25:50.159 --> 01:25:52.119
could have been smiling in the context of a discussion.

1387
01:25:52.159 --> 01:25:53.720
My question to you, sir, and I need you to

1388
01:25:53.760 --> 01:25:56.239
listen to the questions. That's the face he makes, but

1389
01:25:56.399 --> 01:25:57.840
he has his upset demeanor.

1390
01:25:59.640 --> 01:26:01.600
No, I don't believe anyone smiles when you're upshet.

1391
01:26:03.079 --> 01:26:15.079
So the answer my question is no, no, okay, if

1392
01:26:15.119 --> 01:26:18.800
fist pumps you again, right correct, looks pretty happy to you.

1393
01:26:22.079 --> 01:26:23.359
Or at least heyes about something.

1394
01:26:23.479 --> 01:26:29.319
Yes, okay, you guys, and now leave again right correct?

1395
01:26:41.119 --> 01:26:47.720
And that's him still upset, right, so upset he.

1396
01:26:47.640 --> 01:26:55.000
Could kill someone, right pection, little furders, that's him upset still,

1397
01:26:55.560 --> 01:26:57.640
that's him upset right from the prior internet.

1398
01:26:57.720 --> 01:26:58.800
Yes, look so.

1399
01:26:58.840 --> 01:27:01.439
Upset that he's the still wait another hour to kill

1400
01:27:01.479 --> 01:27:02.239
some people over us?

1401
01:27:02.199 --> 01:27:04.640
Still drink right?

1402
01:27:05.800 --> 01:27:06.119
Yes?

1403
01:27:06.319 --> 01:27:09.000
Okay.

1404
01:27:10.600 --> 01:27:14.000
Then you guys get the car and this is you,

1405
01:27:14.399 --> 01:27:16.600
This is Aaron pulling out of the car, pulling out

1406
01:27:16.640 --> 01:27:20.800
of the garage rather, is that correct?

1407
01:27:21.239 --> 01:27:21.600
Correct?

1408
01:27:22.159 --> 01:27:26.600
And that's at one seventeen am correct?

1409
01:27:28.079 --> 01:27:28.479
Correct?

1410
01:27:29.000 --> 01:27:35.079
Now, yesterday when you testified with mister Hagen, you said

1411
01:27:35.720 --> 01:27:40.359
that you guys walked around, you parked somewhere right correct,

1412
01:27:40.920 --> 01:27:46.640
And you said that Aaron wanted to get the gun

1413
01:27:46.880 --> 01:27:48.039
out of the foot of the car.

1414
01:27:48.039 --> 01:27:51.439
Right correct at a point, yes, okay, So he instructed

1415
01:27:51.479 --> 01:27:55.439
you to pull the car around and get and so

1416
01:27:55.520 --> 01:27:56.640
he can get the gun out, right.

1417
01:27:58.239 --> 01:27:59.960
He told me to park on the street. Do we

1418
01:28:00.039 --> 01:28:00.760
parted on yes?

1419
01:28:00.920 --> 01:28:06.640
Okay, but you're not driving here right, no, okay, So.

1420
01:28:06.560 --> 01:28:09.880
It's your testimony. That's on some point you guys changed.

1421
01:28:10.279 --> 01:28:12.560
He then started driving it and you then started driving,

1422
01:28:12.640 --> 01:28:14.960
and that's why he ordered to need to pull right.

1423
01:28:15.359 --> 01:28:19.079
No, we switched driver seats after well, I feel me

1424
01:28:19.119 --> 01:28:19.439
to finish.

1425
01:28:20.439 --> 01:28:23.680
And then he went and pulled the gun out of

1426
01:28:23.680 --> 01:28:25.000
the engine block right.

1427
01:28:24.920 --> 01:28:25.880
Correct, okay.

1428
01:28:26.439 --> 01:28:31.359
And you stated to this jury that you had seen.

1429
01:28:31.159 --> 01:28:33.239
Him when he went to pick you up in Manchester.

1430
01:28:33.920 --> 01:28:37.439
You saw him put the gun in the engine block right, correct, okay.

1431
01:28:37.640 --> 01:28:39.760
And in the an hour and a half trip, that

1432
01:28:39.800 --> 01:28:42.560
gun never fell out of the engine correct.

1433
01:28:43.359 --> 01:28:47.439
Didn't hit any speed bumps or anything like that. I

1434
01:28:47.479 --> 01:28:49.399
don't know if we hit speed bums, but the gun

1435
01:28:49.399 --> 01:28:51.399
didn't fall out of the engine correct, okay.

1436
01:28:51.479 --> 01:28:54.319
And you saw him put the gun in the engine

1437
01:28:54.359 --> 01:28:58.880
block right in Manchester, correct okay. And that's what you

1438
01:28:58.880 --> 01:29:03.760
you've testified at the grand jury, correct okay. And that's

1439
01:29:03.800 --> 01:29:05.640
what you told the jury, the ladies and gentlemen the

1440
01:29:05.680 --> 01:29:06.439
jury today.

1441
01:29:06.279 --> 01:29:07.079
Right correct?

1442
01:29:07.399 --> 01:29:07.760
Okay.

1443
01:29:08.000 --> 01:29:11.840
Do you remember prior to uh going into the grand

1444
01:29:11.920 --> 01:29:14.600
jury that had you give another statement to the police.

1445
01:29:17.560 --> 01:29:20.359
I know there was an interview, right the interview, Do

1446
01:29:20.359 --> 01:29:24.000
you remember that, Yes, I do remember an interview, and

1447
01:29:24.119 --> 01:29:28.279
that was on October eighteenth, right, total eighth, I believe,

1448
01:29:29.319 --> 01:29:41.520
or earlier date in the eighteenth I believe, and October eighth.

1449
01:29:41.680 --> 01:29:44.520
Actually you gave an interview as well, right, I that

1450
01:29:44.560 --> 01:29:45.479
was the first interview.

1451
01:29:45.560 --> 01:29:46.840
October eighth was the interview?

1452
01:29:46.880 --> 01:29:47.199
Correct?

1453
01:29:47.479 --> 01:30:09.079
Okay, if you could, if I can have just a

1454
01:30:09.079 --> 01:30:30.079
moment judging when I find the right do you recall

1455
01:30:30.760 --> 01:30:35.479
being asked that did Aaron normally keep well, let me

1456
01:30:35.479 --> 01:30:38.680
ask you the question that you were asked that day, uh,

1457
01:30:38.840 --> 01:30:45.800
page thirty one, we can hear uh October eighth, mind

1458
01:30:45.840 --> 01:30:48.600
fourteen question do you know him to keep a gun?

1459
01:30:48.640 --> 01:30:49.279
There before?

1460
01:30:50.079 --> 01:30:50.479
Answer?

1461
01:30:50.840 --> 01:30:52.760
I knew when he drove down from mass that he

1462
01:30:52.880 --> 01:30:56.680
probably had a gun in in in the I mean

1463
01:30:56.800 --> 01:31:00.319
if he had a gun, that's where it would have

1464
01:31:00.319 --> 01:31:05.800
been in the engine. Correct, Okay, And you're talking hypothetically

1465
01:31:05.920 --> 01:31:09.239
if if he had a gun that I mean, if

1466
01:31:09.439 --> 01:31:12.239
if he had a gun, that's where it would be

1467
01:31:12.319 --> 01:31:16.079
in the engine. Right, speaking hypothetically.

1468
01:31:15.520 --> 01:31:18.640
Here because of the situation at he and correct?

1469
01:31:18.760 --> 01:31:19.000
Right?

1470
01:31:19.039 --> 01:31:22.359
And then the question no, no, if he had one

1471
01:31:22.640 --> 01:31:25.960
at the time when he drove to Manchester or are

1472
01:31:25.960 --> 01:31:30.199
you just thinking he did? They're asking you at that point,

1473
01:31:30.640 --> 01:31:33.720
do you know or are you just thinking he may have?

1474
01:31:34.039 --> 01:31:34.880
Do you remember that.

1475
01:31:35.039 --> 01:31:36.520
Question thinking he may have?

1476
01:31:36.560 --> 01:31:38.239
What had a gun in the engine block?

1477
01:31:40.840 --> 01:31:41.479
You're the time.

1478
01:31:43.319 --> 01:31:48.560
Line eighteen. Your answer, no, when he drove to Manchester,

1479
01:31:48.920 --> 01:31:51.279
I didn't know for sure that he had a gun

1480
01:31:51.319 --> 01:31:54.279
at all. Do you remember giving that answer?

1481
01:31:55.920 --> 01:31:57.439
I don't recall, but if it's there, I'm sure his

1482
01:31:57.600 --> 01:31:58.199
answer I gave.

1483
01:31:58.359 --> 01:31:59.640
Okay, would you like to see it?

1484
01:32:01.479 --> 01:32:02.199
Take your word for work.

1485
01:32:02.359 --> 01:32:09.960
Okay. So then.

1486
01:32:11.840 --> 01:32:25.359
On page thirty three, council, you're asked, and what did

1487
01:32:25.399 --> 01:32:28.039
you say to him when you saw the gun? And

1488
01:32:28.119 --> 01:32:31.760
your answer is, nah, I can't remember exactly what I said.

1489
01:32:31.840 --> 01:32:34.800
You know, I was a little shocked. I can't remember

1490
01:32:35.039 --> 01:32:40.119
making a specific exact comment, Like if I said, I

1491
01:32:40.199 --> 01:32:42.319
might be lying. If I said that, I might be lying.

1492
01:32:43.000 --> 01:32:45.039
If I said I'm making that statement, Yes, if I

1493
01:32:45.079 --> 01:32:47.319
said I made a certain comment, i'd be lying because

1494
01:32:47.319 --> 01:32:51.159
I don't recall what said. I was a little shocked

1495
01:32:51.760 --> 01:32:54.399
that he had to die. Call making that statement.

1496
01:32:54.800 --> 01:32:57.479
I don't recall that part, but if that's what he says.

1497
01:32:57.920 --> 01:33:03.079
So seven days before the grand jury, you tell the

1498
01:33:03.119 --> 01:33:06.600
police that you didn't know he had the gun.

1499
01:33:06.760 --> 01:33:09.000
You were kind of shocked, that he had a gun, right,

1500
01:33:10.079 --> 01:33:12.680
she wittshide guarn you were shocked.

1501
01:33:12.760 --> 01:33:15.359
You're stating in this state though, that you were shocked

1502
01:33:15.479 --> 01:33:18.520
when you saw the gun for the first time after

1503
01:33:18.560 --> 01:33:20.119
he took the gun out of the engine block.

1504
01:33:20.239 --> 01:33:25.000
Correct. I didn't believe it. That's a reference to when

1505
01:33:25.039 --> 01:33:26.319
he took it out of the block. I thought that's

1506
01:33:26.359 --> 01:33:28.640
when he came to Manchester. I thought that's what I

1507
01:33:28.720 --> 01:33:31.000
just read. We were talking about when he took it

1508
01:33:31.039 --> 01:33:32.960
out of the engine block. Would you like to see

1509
01:33:32.960 --> 01:33:33.439
the guy.

1510
01:33:33.439 --> 01:33:42.079
Yes, please? He figured out.

1511
01:33:45.359 --> 01:33:48.199
When he got back in the car he had the gun.

1512
01:33:49.560 --> 01:33:51.359
Okay, Yeah, did you see that story?

1513
01:33:51.520 --> 01:33:51.720
Yes?

1514
01:33:52.239 --> 01:33:56.680
Okay, So you were shocked because.

1515
01:33:58.680 --> 01:34:00.720
You didn't know he had the gun. That's what you

1516
01:34:00.840 --> 01:34:02.720
told the police are on October eighth, Right.

1517
01:34:04.039 --> 01:34:05.840
No, I don't recall telling him I was shocked because

1518
01:34:05.840 --> 01:34:10.239
I didn't know he had a gun. That's is that

1519
01:34:10.279 --> 01:34:14.159
at the time in Boston already? Yes, in Boston. I

1520
01:34:14.199 --> 01:34:17.319
don't recall saying that. And if I did, it was

1521
01:34:17.359 --> 01:34:20.039
just a mix up. Right. So now you're saying.

1522
01:34:21.600 --> 01:34:23.600
It was just a mix up that while the police

1523
01:34:23.640 --> 01:34:29.199
are interviewing you and you're describing uh Aaron asking you

1524
01:34:29.239 --> 01:34:32.159
to pull over to get the gun out of the

1525
01:34:32.199 --> 01:34:34.520
engine block that you were confused.

1526
01:34:35.079 --> 01:34:36.439
Injection asking to pull over?

1527
01:34:36.960 --> 01:34:37.119
Uh?

1528
01:34:37.680 --> 01:34:41.560
Standing in that form, Now.

1529
01:34:43.960 --> 01:34:47.760
Sir, you've been shown this gun multiple times, right, ye

1530
01:34:48.680 --> 01:34:49.399
been shown this guy.

1531
01:34:49.399 --> 01:34:50.960
I was the one that purchased the gun. Kay.

1532
01:34:51.159 --> 01:34:54.560
Right, you bought the three fifty seven Magna Freer right.

1533
01:34:55.000 --> 01:34:55.439
Correct.

1534
01:34:55.760 --> 01:34:58.479
And as we've seen here today, you know quite a

1535
01:34:58.560 --> 01:35:00.880
bit about guns, right, I know.

1536
01:35:01.000 --> 01:35:02.640
I have some knowledge. You've got to correct.

1537
01:35:02.680 --> 01:35:03.000
Okay.

1538
01:35:04.359 --> 01:35:08.319
And you've had all kinds of guns, objection sustained in

1539
01:35:08.479 --> 01:35:10.319
that form, had various kinds of guys.

1540
01:35:10.359 --> 01:35:16.159
Objection sustained you own at that time you owned various

1541
01:35:16.159 --> 01:35:23.359
types of guns. Objection covered this spectified to this Uh nah, no,

1542
01:35:23.600 --> 01:35:24.520
chustained in that.

1543
01:35:24.600 --> 01:35:28.760
Form the course of your life type thirty you are old.

1544
01:35:28.920 --> 01:35:33.840
You know who's types of uh? Objection post there's knowledge

1545
01:35:33.880 --> 01:35:41.039
of customer overruled for that question.

1546
01:35:41.760 --> 01:35:43.399
Yes, I have owned different types of hunts.

1547
01:35:43.520 --> 01:35:45.720
And you know the difference between a three fifty seven

1548
01:35:45.760 --> 01:35:47.119
magnum and a thirty eight.

1549
01:35:47.399 --> 01:35:54.640
Right, I l like to believe so they's they're similar, kay.

1550
01:35:55.000 --> 01:35:58.720
And when you talk to the police, you specifically told

1551
01:35:58.720 --> 01:36:04.159
on three fifty seven A right, yes, and you told

1552
01:36:04.239 --> 01:36:07.720
him it was shiny, yes, didn't tell him it was

1553
01:36:07.760 --> 01:36:10.680
a one hundred and four year old thirty eight, right.

1554
01:36:12.880 --> 01:36:14.600
No, I didn't believe the gun I purchased was one

1555
01:36:14.640 --> 01:36:16.960
hundred and four year old thirty eight. You would that's

1556
01:36:17.000 --> 01:36:20.439
something you would take note of, right, I like to believe.

1557
01:36:20.199 --> 01:36:23.680
Yes, based on your knowledge of guns, you would spots.

1558
01:36:25.840 --> 01:36:26.920
I guess an old gun.

1559
01:36:26.800 --> 01:36:29.039
Like that, right, Yes, I believe so.

1560
01:36:29.800 --> 01:36:32.880
And in your second interview, the police showed you a

1561
01:36:32.920 --> 01:36:38.000
photo of the gun, right, correct, and you specifically told them, sir,

1562
01:36:38.079 --> 01:36:42.039
I don't think that's the weapon, correct, okay. And then

1563
01:36:42.119 --> 01:36:44.159
later on in front of the grand jury, you were

1564
01:36:44.159 --> 01:36:47.159
showing that gun again, right correct. You asked them to

1565
01:36:47.199 --> 01:36:48.760
turn it around. You wanted to look to get a

1566
01:36:48.760 --> 01:36:51.680
better look at it. Correct, And you specifically told the

1567
01:36:51.680 --> 01:36:55.760
grand jury that's not the gun, correct, okay. And then

1568
01:36:56.640 --> 01:37:01.800
court yesterday you still say that's not the right correct.

1569
01:37:01.840 --> 01:37:03.960
I didn't believe it was the gun, right.

1570
01:37:08.600 --> 01:37:09.000
Mm hmm.

1571
01:37:10.680 --> 01:37:17.880
Now, under your complete and accurate clause of the of

1572
01:37:17.920 --> 01:37:23.119
your community ladder, if that in fact is the gun,

1573
01:37:23.159 --> 01:37:23.960
that's not accurate.

1574
01:37:24.039 --> 01:37:27.399
Right. Attractions Seine.

1575
01:37:30.600 --> 01:37:35.920
Has as a result of you identifying another gun, has

1576
01:37:35.920 --> 01:37:38.159
the state indicated to you that they are pulling with

1577
01:37:38.319 --> 01:37:55.840
your immunity, agree, s Stein. Now, the next time you

1578
01:37:55.840 --> 01:37:59.920
were shown any video from one seventeen is not until

1579
01:38:00.319 --> 01:38:01.720
approximately an hour later?

1580
01:38:01.800 --> 01:38:06.840
Correct? I don't recall exactly like how long the video

1581
01:38:06.960 --> 01:38:07.920
was later? Okay?

1582
01:38:09.279 --> 01:38:11.600
This is you exiting the garage at one sixteen, right.

1583
01:38:14.520 --> 01:38:16.760
I believe that's mister Hernandez exiting the garage.

1584
01:38:16.760 --> 01:38:21.119
Two of you exiting the garage at one sixteen, yes, okay.

1585
01:38:21.960 --> 01:38:25.000
And then do you recall being questioned yesterday a mister

1586
01:38:25.119 --> 01:38:30.479
Hagen about a car pulling by at approximately an hour later?

1587
01:38:30.600 --> 01:38:34.039
Right? I believe?

1588
01:38:34.119 --> 01:38:37.399
So, okay, if our leader's accurate, let me get let

1589
01:38:37.399 --> 01:38:38.479
me get to the exact time.

1590
01:38:40.319 --> 01:38:40.600
Did you.

1591
01:38:55.840 --> 01:39:01.119
That car right there? Right? Correct? Okay? So an hour

1592
01:39:01.159 --> 01:39:03.039
and two minutes? Right?

1593
01:39:03.319 --> 01:39:03.720
Correct?

1594
01:39:04.399 --> 01:39:05.479
Has a state.

1595
01:39:06.680 --> 01:39:10.279
Commonwealth of Massachusetts showing you any video to you or

1596
01:39:10.319 --> 01:39:14.640
Aaron Hernandez for that missing time between one's sixteen am

1597
01:39:14.680 --> 01:39:16.359
and two eighteen am?

1598
01:39:16.560 --> 01:39:18.720
No, So there's no.

1599
01:39:20.279 --> 01:39:24.520
Video or anything any anything documenting you're whereabouts during.

1600
01:39:24.279 --> 01:39:27.079
That one out, not that I've seen, no, okay.

1601
01:39:27.600 --> 01:39:32.520
And it's your testimony that you were parked outside, parked

1602
01:39:32.560 --> 01:39:37.920
outside looking for girls, waiting for the clubs they let

1603
01:39:38.000 --> 01:39:39.319
out waiting for the letut.

1604
01:39:39.079 --> 01:39:40.600
And wish the women would come out of the club.

1605
01:39:42.600 --> 01:39:45.439
And this is after Aaron goes in and gets the

1606
01:39:45.439 --> 01:39:49.079
glove the gun out of the glovebox, right correct. Okay,

1607
01:39:49.399 --> 01:39:51.640
So Aaron goes in the in the hood of the car,

1608
01:39:51.760 --> 01:39:54.119
gets a gun, puts it in the glove box in

1609
01:39:54.159 --> 01:39:56.720
the glove compartment, and you want to go look for.

1610
01:39:56.680 --> 01:40:04.319
Girls, now, yes, that's what I do, sir. Okay. So

1611
01:40:04.399 --> 01:40:04.920
this's t the.

1612
01:40:05.039 --> 01:40:07.119
The the video that comes up next.

1613
01:40:10.239 --> 01:41:09.119
I'm gonna fast forward it a little bit. Okay.

1614
01:41:10.000 --> 01:41:11.880
Do you recall going on with this video with mister

1615
01:41:11.920 --> 01:41:13.560
Hagan approximately at this time?

1616
01:41:14.880 --> 01:41:16.680
Oh? Yes, I've been through this video before him.

1617
01:41:16.680 --> 01:41:17.199
Okay.

1618
01:41:17.439 --> 01:41:21.720
And there are two images or there's there's some images

1619
01:41:21.760 --> 01:41:24.880
there that you flame as you and miss Naz.

1620
01:41:24.600 --> 01:41:32.079
Right, I can't really see the images, right, No, not

1621
01:41:32.479 --> 01:41:33.319
from this point right now.

1622
01:41:36.960 --> 01:41:39.239
In fact, you really can't spot yourself at all. You're

1623
01:41:39.319 --> 01:41:41.680
just you see an article that you believe is what

1624
01:41:41.720 --> 01:41:44.760
you were wearing. Right, You don't see your face?

1625
01:41:46.319 --> 01:41:49.439
Well, I s spotted myself on his video screen. My

1626
01:41:49.600 --> 01:41:50.840
question is you don't see your face?

1627
01:41:51.159 --> 01:41:53.920
Oh no, I don't see why you see what you

1628
01:41:54.000 --> 01:41:56.560
believe is an article of clothing that that looks like

1629
01:41:56.680 --> 01:41:57.760
what you were wearing that night.

1630
01:41:57.880 --> 01:42:01.680
Right, Yes, I did, but not from this view. I

1631
01:42:01.680 --> 01:42:02.920
can't see anything right now.

1632
01:42:03.159 --> 01:42:05.600
And at this point is where you're going walking around

1633
01:42:05.680 --> 01:42:06.399
looking for girls.

1634
01:42:06.560 --> 01:42:11.239
Right, I've been outside at that point you look at

1635
01:42:11.239 --> 01:42:12.319
waiting for women to come out.

1636
01:42:12.399 --> 01:42:14.720
But as you walk over here into the tough scarage,

1637
01:42:14.720 --> 01:42:16.199
you're looking for girls.

1638
01:42:18.800 --> 01:42:20.880
I can't see myself walking inside of the tough garage.

1639
01:42:20.920 --> 01:42:25.039
Sure you recalled going over this yesterday, sir, Yes.

1640
01:42:25.079 --> 01:42:27.720
Not, counsel. I think it may be the one. Still,

1641
01:42:28.000 --> 01:42:29.840
I realized that i'm a pree speech.

1642
01:42:31.560 --> 01:42:33.560
And it is at this point you want the ladies

1643
01:42:33.560 --> 01:42:35.920
and gentlemen of the jury to believe that you're looking

1644
01:42:36.159 --> 01:42:37.960
for girls.

1645
01:42:39.600 --> 01:42:40.960
No, you may answer.

1646
01:42:42.960 --> 01:42:44.840
Yes when the club is let out, I'm waiting to

1647
01:42:44.880 --> 01:42:45.399
see women.

1648
01:42:45.880 --> 01:42:49.319
Okay, So you walk into the tough scarage looking for women.

1649
01:42:49.399 --> 01:42:54.720
Right, that's you there, Yes, I can see myself now

1650
01:42:54.840 --> 01:42:58.520
now you're walking in front, right, it appears that way. Yes, Okay,

1651
01:42:58.760 --> 01:43:01.039
whoever's behind you, behind you right.

1652
01:43:03.079 --> 01:43:04.359
Close to me, I can't believe.

1653
01:43:04.520 --> 01:43:07.479
Okay, you're leading the way so to speak, right.

1654
01:43:09.119 --> 01:43:10.279
No, sir, I'm not leading the way.

1655
01:43:10.319 --> 01:43:12.399
We're walking side by side into the garage.

1656
01:43:12.520 --> 01:43:18.039
Well, let's go back a little bit. Ye, who's walking

1657
01:43:18.039 --> 01:43:18.439
in front?

1658
01:43:25.359 --> 01:43:26.520
We're walking side by side.

1659
01:43:26.640 --> 01:43:29.159
Okay, you don't see just yourself right now?

1660
01:43:29.439 --> 01:43:31.800
Now I appear to be as.

1661
01:43:31.119 --> 01:43:33.640
Someone's behind you right there, right, No on aside to

1662
01:43:33.720 --> 01:43:36.039
be now at the side of you, on the side

1663
01:43:36.079 --> 01:43:36.560
of each other.

1664
01:43:41.359 --> 01:44:15.079
We'll go over one more time. Now inside the garage,

1665
01:44:15.119 --> 01:44:16.279
did you encounter any girls?

1666
01:44:17.279 --> 01:44:18.000
Not that I recall?

1667
01:44:18.600 --> 01:44:20.239
Kay? Were there girls wogging around?

1668
01:44:21.479 --> 01:44:22.039
Uh?

1669
01:44:22.199 --> 01:44:24.399
What do you mean on the whole strip inside the garage?

1670
01:44:24.880 --> 01:44:27.239
I reintoed that. No, sir, not in the garage. And

1671
01:44:27.279 --> 01:44:28.840
you stay in there for a little bit, don't you.

1672
01:44:30.399 --> 01:44:32.439
Uh, that's what you can see. The time's running.

1673
01:44:32.600 --> 01:44:36.560
Okay, you're still in there right now, right, yes?

1674
01:44:36.880 --> 01:44:38.439
Kay? Do you talk to any girls?

1675
01:44:39.159 --> 01:44:39.880
Not that I recall?

1676
01:44:40.720 --> 01:44:45.000
Kay? Uh, did you walk in you can't see yourself

1677
01:44:45.039 --> 01:44:46.560
right nope? Kay?

1678
01:44:46.680 --> 01:44:52.720
Oh right, And it's your testimony that you had no

1679
01:44:52.800 --> 01:44:55.760
time ever see anyone that you recognize.

1680
01:44:56.720 --> 01:44:59.319
Yes, that's my testimony, kay.

1681
01:45:00.840 --> 01:45:02.000
And then you.

1682
01:45:01.960 --> 01:45:06.479
Later testified that it's not until you guys are at

1683
01:45:06.520 --> 01:45:11.000
the car and Aaron sees a BMW drive by that

1684
01:45:11.039 --> 01:45:12.640
he says, look, there they go.

1685
01:45:13.039 --> 01:45:14.760
It's not true. It's not what I said, sir.

1686
01:45:14.840 --> 01:45:17.640
Okay, well tell us what you said that I said

1687
01:45:17.640 --> 01:45:21.600
it when he first said let's go, let's go, there

1688
01:45:21.640 --> 01:45:25.479
they go, I didn't notice the BMW with that point yet. Okay,

1689
01:45:25.680 --> 01:45:27.039
you didn't notice the BMW at.

1690
01:45:26.920 --> 01:45:30.920
All, right, at that point, No, but Aaron recognized the

1691
01:45:30.920 --> 01:45:32.560
BMW right, correct.

1692
01:45:32.760 --> 01:45:39.159
Okay, And prior to that moment in time, you had

1693
01:45:39.199 --> 01:45:43.079
no idea that these guys drove in a BMW right correct.

1694
01:45:43.960 --> 01:45:45.800
In fact, you had no discussions with Aaron.

1695
01:45:45.840 --> 01:45:50.520
Hernanda is saying, hey, those guys are in a BMW, right, correct.

1696
01:45:50.560 --> 01:45:53.800
And it's not until they're driving by that you that

1697
01:45:54.119 --> 01:45:57.439
Aaron says to you, let's go, let's go, let's go.

1698
01:45:57.520 --> 01:46:00.800
They're they're they're in a BMW. Yes, I said.

1699
01:46:00.840 --> 01:46:02.079
The point you noticed him is when I.

1700
01:46:02.119 --> 01:46:04.920
Know And Aaron never voiced to you that he knew

1701
01:46:04.960 --> 01:46:07.079
these guys from anywhere, right.

1702
01:46:08.880 --> 01:46:10.760
He just said, there they go, is what he said.

1703
01:46:10.880 --> 01:46:12.960
A question to you is Aaron never voiced to you

1704
01:46:13.039 --> 01:46:17.000
that he knew these guys, you mean, prior to coming

1705
01:46:17.000 --> 01:46:18.800
to Boston time.

1706
01:46:18.960 --> 01:46:21.119
No, at no point did he say I know these guys.

1707
01:46:21.720 --> 01:46:24.479
And on top of that, he certainly didn't tell you

1708
01:46:24.960 --> 01:46:28.439
these guys that I know tribal bow right.

1709
01:46:29.000 --> 01:46:33.840
Right, Okay. Now, yesterday you talked about the City.

1710
01:46:33.560 --> 01:46:37.560
Of Angels guys, right, some guys wearing T shirts were

1711
01:46:37.680 --> 01:46:39.159
the City of Angel right, correct?

1712
01:46:39.319 --> 01:46:41.840
Okay. And you said that there's usually a whole pocket

1713
01:46:41.840 --> 01:46:42.119
of them, a.

1714
01:46:42.159 --> 01:46:45.319
Bunch of guys, correct, okay, and that they're always harassing.

1715
01:46:45.359 --> 01:46:48.119
Ere I never said that they're always harassing.

1716
01:46:47.880 --> 01:46:50.800
Are okay? Well, you said they encountered it, are right.

1717
01:46:51.680 --> 01:46:56.279
I said they stared at each other eye contact, but

1718
01:46:56.359 --> 01:47:05.239
they that he feels they try there were fine, correct.

1719
01:47:05.600 --> 01:47:10.239
Do you recall telling the police uh to eighth that

1720
01:47:10.880 --> 01:47:12.880
after the shooting, you guys.

1721
01:47:12.680 --> 01:47:15.000
Drove through total right, correct?

1722
01:47:15.279 --> 01:47:15.640
Okay.

1723
01:47:16.000 --> 01:47:18.960
And you told the the police then too that the

1724
01:47:19.079 --> 01:47:21.640
tot boot driver had a City of Angels T shirt

1725
01:47:21.680 --> 01:47:21.920
on him.

1726
01:47:21.960 --> 01:47:23.960
Yes, I believe he did, Okay.

1727
01:47:23.720 --> 01:47:27.079
So this tot booth guy was also one of this

1728
01:47:28.119 --> 01:47:31.199
I guess these the gang of guys that s that don't.

1729
01:47:31.000 --> 01:47:40.000
Like Aaron Hernandez injection. If that's the way you look it, manser, Well,

1730
01:47:40.239 --> 01:47:43.279
my understanding was that they just wore City of Angel shirts.

1731
01:47:43.920 --> 01:47:47.720
I never implicated that they were a gang or some type.

1732
01:47:47.520 --> 01:47:57.239
Of what you showed photos to the j to the jury,

1733
01:47:57.680 --> 01:48:00.640
you showed you guys went over and showed a bunch

1734
01:48:00.640 --> 01:48:04.159
of photos some individuals wearing T shirts.

1735
01:48:04.199 --> 01:48:07.399
They said City of Angels, right, correct, And this told

1736
01:48:07.520 --> 01:48:12.079
booth guy just happened to be wearing one of those too, right. Yes,

1737
01:48:12.399 --> 01:48:16.399
and this is the grand coincidence. That's something you noticed

1738
01:48:16.439 --> 01:48:17.600
because of.

1739
01:48:17.520 --> 01:48:21.680
Course you felt that Aaron had a beef with the

1740
01:48:21.680 --> 01:48:22.439
City of Angels.

1741
01:48:22.479 --> 01:48:25.840
Guys, I noticed because I rode through the toe booth

1742
01:48:26.199 --> 01:48:29.479
and the gentleman's right there, okay, And he had a

1743
01:48:29.520 --> 01:48:32.159
City of Angels T shirt that the toe both guy, right, Yes,

1744
01:48:32.199 --> 01:48:33.560
it is my belief that he had a City of

1745
01:48:33.560 --> 01:48:36.279
Angel T shirt. Were you made aware that he spoke

1746
01:48:36.359 --> 01:48:37.279
to the toll booth guy?

1747
01:48:37.760 --> 01:48:37.960
No?

1748
01:48:38.239 --> 01:48:38.760
Okay.

1749
01:48:38.920 --> 01:48:43.079
So did they ever tell you, hey, your City of

1750
01:48:43.079 --> 01:48:46.079
Angels story is not checking out.

1751
01:48:45.319 --> 01:48:48.079
No, you may answer that question.

1752
01:48:48.560 --> 01:48:51.359
No, okay, So they never They never advised you that

1753
01:48:51.399 --> 01:48:54.279
they went and spoke to a city of spoke to

1754
01:48:54.319 --> 01:48:55.960
a tob booth guyms no.

1755
01:48:56.079 --> 01:48:57.520
T shirt that says city Attection.

1756
01:48:57.760 --> 01:49:16.199
You know, baprosweat on this shave line of hintquord.

1757
01:49:16.319 --> 01:49:32.239
Yes, yes, sure, right, yeah.

1758
01:49:30.800 --> 01:49:31.399
My approach.

1759
01:49:31.520 --> 01:49:40.560
Yeah, I'm gonna show you some polos various individuals wearing

1760
01:49:40.640 --> 01:49:42.760
City of Angels attire. Do you see these?

1761
01:49:43.079 --> 01:49:43.279
Yes?

1762
01:49:43.880 --> 01:49:44.119
Kay?

1763
01:49:44.960 --> 01:49:47.199
And is this a fair and actor representation of the

1764
01:49:47.199 --> 01:49:50.680
City of Angels t shirts and and and clothing?

1765
01:49:50.880 --> 01:49:51.119
Yes?

1766
01:49:51.520 --> 01:49:55.359
Okay, I have these marked as a chalk you're.

1767
01:49:57.640 --> 01:50:02.439
Uh, yes, we'll receive them as oh oh oh oh oh.

1768
01:50:02.520 --> 01:50:08.760
It s three four pages together. Uh what do we

1769
01:50:08.800 --> 01:50:10.560
clip them together? Should hear everything?

1770
01:50:35.159 --> 01:50:52.399
I'll I'll be wrapping it up quick. Do you recognize

1771
01:50:52.439 --> 01:50:55.479
any of these people in these photographs that's having a

1772
01:50:55.520 --> 01:50:58.279
beef for thereon Hernandez wearing the City of Angels attire?

1773
01:50:58.840 --> 01:51:08.159
No, how about these these individuals?

1774
01:51:08.199 --> 01:51:09.600
Any of these have a beef where they are in

1775
01:51:09.600 --> 01:51:12.600
hernandos and nightclubs wearing City of Angels attire?

1776
01:51:13.000 --> 01:51:19.520
No? What about here?

1777
01:51:21.079 --> 01:51:22.319
No any of these kids here?

1778
01:51:23.039 --> 01:51:23.079
No?

1779
01:51:29.239 --> 01:51:31.239
What about any of the individuals here with the City

1780
01:51:31.239 --> 01:51:32.079
of Angel's attire?

1781
01:51:32.560 --> 01:51:32.600
No?

1782
01:51:33.199 --> 01:51:36.079
Okay, you sure none of these people you saw them

1783
01:51:36.119 --> 01:51:38.920
having a beef with their and Hernandez staring 'em down?

1784
01:51:41.279 --> 01:52:00.439
No, I don't recall, Kay, I didn't say it, but.

1785
01:52:00.600 --> 01:52:03.960
I solemn row

1786
01:52:06.880 --> 01:52:07.319
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