#11 Integrity in the Little Things
In this episode of Different Points, Roy Coughlan and Catherine Llewellyn get into one of the most underrated qualities a person can have — integrity in the small, everyday moments. The agreements you make with yourself, the things you do when no one is watching, and the courage to call things out even when it's uncomfortable. This one hits close to home.
What You'll Learn in This Episode
- Why integrity starts with the small promises you make to yourself — and what happens when you break them
- How consistent small acts of integrity create a solidity in yourself that you can feel
- Why Roy tracks member results in The Authority Alliance — and what that says about how he operates
- How Catherine's decision to tell a hard truth to a client ended up changing three people's lives for the better
- Why calling out the wrong person for a job — even when no one wants to hear it — is always the right move
Key Takeaways
- Integrity is like the structural integrity of a machine — when it starts to go, bits fall off
- Doing the right thing when no one is watching is where real integrity lives
- Taking people's money and not delivering is easy — integrity means refusing to let that happen
- Sometimes the most honest thing you can do for someone is tell them they're in the wrong place
- A culture of integrity is contagious — it lifts everyone around you
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[Speaker 2] (0:03 - 0:21)
Welcome to different points with myself, Roy Collin and my co-host, Catherine Llewellyn. Integrity, what can we say about integrity? I suppose today's question is integrity in the little things.
And what does integrity mean today? And I'll pass it to you, Catherine.
[Speaker 1] (0:21 - 2:21)
Thank you so much. I mean, this is a real conundrum, this one integrity in the little things. So.
What comes up for me is. Agreements I make with myself. So I promise myself to brush my teeth twice a day.
So that's a little thing. If I miss brushing my teeth one day because. Someone calls me and then something else happens and I just don't do it.
I've broken my integrity in that little thing, because that's something I promised myself to do, you know, or if I've promised myself to do yoga every day and then I don't do it. I've broken my integrity in that little thing. So and it has a.
Like a slow chipping away effect, because to me, the word integrity, you know, you can say does a piece of machinery have integrity or does a physical thing have integrity? But that means means does it hold together? But does it hold together?
Is it one piece that works? And when the integrity goes, bits start falling off it. You know, there's no longer integrity in that thing.
It's not functioning. It's the same with a human with me. If I start breaking all my little agreements with myself, you know, drinking enough water, getting some fresh air, taking care of the cats, you know, I've got a cat who's not very well at the moment, and I remembering to give her her remedies every day.
You know, all of that. If I don't do those things, I start to erode myself and erode my own integrity. So.
I've I've found that that's a very, very important thing. And when I do keep my integrity in those things, I feel so much better about myself and I'm much more used to everybody else as well. I can show up for the people much better because I've got that integrity.
It's a solidity that I have. So what does it mean to you, Roy?
[Speaker 2] (2:21 - 3:44)
Not there for. I think. It's like when you're doing things that you do, as you say, you do them even when no one is watching.
Like you said, it's like, you know yourself. So you try to do things with as much integrity as possible. And you can say like this new business group, the Authority Alliance.
It's like my mission on that is because I see how there's so many different groups out there doing things is to make sure that people will get a return on investment. And it's my integrity to make sure that I do it. I want to track it as well.
I don't want people to ask me if they can do it themselves or tell me what it's. I want to do as many things as possible to help each of the members to be successful. Whereas I don't need to do that, but that's what I want, because if I'm getting their hard earned money to invest in the community, it's easy not to do things, but it's like it's the right thing.
And I can have a big impact then with the stuff that I'm sharing in there, because people will see me as a person of integrity. And when I'm saying about different things, they know that I'm not going to push them down a slippery path or just doing it for the sake of getting a golden handshake. And that's even the little things that add up to the bigger things.
[Speaker 1] (3:45 - 5:39)
That's right. And having worked with you for a while now, Roy, I know that to be true about you. And I also know the effect it has on me working with you is it encourages me as well to have integrity.
It feels like this is the culture that is encouraged here. You know, and in the alliance, I believe that will also encourage that atmosphere in there. Whereas in some networks I've been in, there isn't integrity and there are people doing all sorts of things.
They end up bitching at each other online and things like that, which is honestly, what is the point? And I just want to add one more thing that really struck me just then. I had a situation years ago when one of my clients, who was a real advocate and a sponsor, introduced me to one of his board members to work with this guy.
And the guy said, yeah, I really want to do this work. And we started working and it became very clear to me very quickly. This guy was not doing the work.
He wasn't doing the assignments in between the sessions. He wasn't doing it. And I realized he didn't want to do it.
So I could have just carried on working with him and he would have got some improvements, but not nearly as much as if he really wanted to do it. But I didn't. I rang my main guy and said, your man doesn't want to do this.
He doesn't want to do it. You're wasting your money. He said, right, thank you for telling me.
And because of that, I had my integrity. He was grateful. We stopped the work.
Then the next time someone tried to headhunt this guy off the board, my guy let him go. He was gone. He then went off on a completely different path and actually realized that his path was something completely different.
So he's much happier now. My guy was happy. I was happy all because of that piece of integrity in that moment.
[Speaker 2] (5:40 - 7:03)
And I think that's very important, because sometimes people might think, oh, this isn't great. Like I was running big jobs in Ireland and at the first few, like multi-million euro jobs, I was doing all the quantity surveying as well, because I kind of studied that and I was good at that. But eventually the job was getting too big and there was some quantity surveyors that were good.
But I don't want job and he was terrible. And I was like, I was telling everybody this guy isn't right for the job. And in the end, they didn't.
They just kept him there. And it cost us probably half a million or more because the guy was just useless. And I never fear saying something like that where some people didn't want to rock the boat or anything, because as you say, that's he's he just that's not the job he should be doing.
So when somebody gets pulled and told, hey, you're not doing this way, either they can be repositioned in the company to something they love or they realize, hey, yeah, you can't get away with this kind of thing. And then they'll find something with their passion. So I always call things out as they are.
Same with foreman. There was times I got foreman. I said, no, they're useless.
I don't want them. I want this guy. And they were like, no, no, no.
And I said, I'll tell you. And of course, we got into trouble. And I said, hey, I told you he's no good.
So sometimes even the managers or the owners, in my case, directors of the company, you know, they just thought they knew better and call it out as it is a rant over.
[Speaker 1] (7:05 - 7:06)
Quite right, too.
[Speaker 2] (7:09 - 7:38)
OK, until next week. Well, not next week, it's probably tomorrow's episode. So just to let the listeners know, we don't we have a list of the things, but we just kind of just look at them just before we go on, because we don't want to be rehearsing what we're going to say.
And so this is all coming in flow and from our hearts. And that's the way we'll always do it. And as I said in the earlier episodes, you've got something that you want us to cover just right in.
And we'd love to discuss it because we have different points. Take care. Take care.
Founder, Facilitator, Coach, Author, Podcaster
Catherine Llewellyn is a coach, facilitator and podcast host who helps conscious, spirit-led leaders and practitioners step ever deeper into their calling, so they can bring more of themselves and more of life to the people they serve.
Drawing on more than three decades of working with leaders across business, personal and spiritual development, Catherine combines rigorous developmental practice with an intuitive, highly responsive approach.
Her own journey has taken her through several profound evolutions of calling, giving her first-hand experience of what it means to continually grow beyond what once seemed possible.
Today, her work centres on helping accomplished conscious spirit-led leaders and practitioners recognise more of who they already are, unlock new capacities, and expand their contribution with greater clarity, joy and impact.