Episode 702 - SNW season 4 finale - Uhura's Journey: A Character Study

0:04 Things she has to do. Continue with the operation. You may fire when ready. Old Pops and War Stories, Dental Kiss and Turn, Baltar, Scimitar, Death of Tasha Young, Flash, Gordon. Roger, Stormtroopers and Clone. Wars, James, Walton, Tweed, Keeney, John. Koenig, and Swayze. Can we talk about the series?

0:46 You can join us. Live by picking up your phone now. Can we talk. About the series? We're coming to you on your human services now. Can we talk about the series? Comics, books, and games, we probably almost know now. I mean, what about the series? Cummings on the set, we take and chat, and we go on and on. Well, good evening, Trekkies and Trekkers around the globe. It is Thursday, October 1st, 2026. Welcome to episode 702 of Trek Talkin' and Beyond. I'm your most excellent host, Uncle Jim.

1:36 And before we dive into the excitement, the sheer titillation, which is Trek talking, I would like to introduce my awesome Trek experts. And we're going to go out to Portland and we're going to say hello to Eric. How are you doing tonight, Eric? I am doing quite well, Jim. Thank you for asking. It's very exciting to have some new people who I'm sure you will introduce in a moment with us tonight. And I'm just really freaking excited about talking about this episode, too. Uh, I will admit that, um, I had a very busy week and I literally finished watching this episode at like three 45 this afternoon. It's about four 30 right now. So maybe four, 45 minutes ago or so. Um, and so it's very fresh in my mind. So very excited.

2:19 We like it. We like it fresh, right? Better fresh than stale. And let's swing out to Las Vegas and welcome Charles to the show. How are you doing, Charles? I'm doing good. You notice the rain's gone, the heat wave's back, though it's only going to be 90s. But the weather forecaster just said, oh, this weekend it's going to be hotter in L.A. than it is Las Vegas. Like, okay, L.A. is going to melt. Palm trees. Palm trees. The palm trees in L.A. Might wilt a little. And I was going to say, palm trees are, of course, native to neither Las Vegas nor L.A. Exactly. Neither are the scorpions that come from the ones in Arizona.

3:05 And we're going to swing out to Virginia. We're going to welcome V to the podcast. How are you doing tonight, V? Doing all right. New technology. I am not pleased, however, with our weather. We were having... Lovely fall weather. And then today it was like 85. Tomorrow it's supposed to be 90. Yeah. No, this weather can go away. I need the cool, crisp fall. It'll be winter soon. We'll be buried in snow and everything will be good. Oh, boy. And now we're going to swing out back out to Portland to the miracle worker himself, David. Welcome to the show, David. Hey, I'm doing great.

3:47 You're doing good. All right. Wait, how am I doing? I don't know. Paul is still out in Scotland. Jim, it's pronounced Scotland. Scotland. Scotland. And that's where Paul is. Or is he somewhere else? Has he moved? No, well, he's actually moved on. I'm pretty sure he's in perhaps London somewhere. Right now, definitely. I've got to watch out for the werewolves that run around. Yeah. Lots of werewolves in London. But we do have a very special, special guest that's going to fill the shoes of Paul. We have Whitney with us today. And Whitney happens to be in my home state of Vermont. So welcome to the show, Whitney.

4:40 Good to be here. And as a new truck sport, though, there is a ceremony. You have to name all the characters and shows that were on an opening sequence. I'm sorry, what? How much time do we have? Yeah, at the very end, just say. You saw the dancing skeletons. Because that's what. I thought they were for the longest time. Yeah. Okay, were those from Star Wars? Yes. But I, for some reason, saw skeletons. Yeah, I just saw Star Wars.

5:21 And I just, I don't know if you guys noticed this or not, but Brian Volkweis, who we had as a guest on a podcast a couple of weeks ago, just released a new update on his toy line, and He must have done it right after he did our show because he mentioned Billy Joel's We Didn't Start the Fire. Did you guys catch that? I did. I actually thought that was super cool, especially because he particularly said that he liked that opening song and made comments about it. And then he referenced it later. I thought that was really cool. That was really cool. So I don't know if you guys caught that, but I definitely did. So I'm going to try to get him back on the show later on. We can talk to him for a little bit longer because he was a lot of fun.

6:03 I mean, he was a great guest because he's kind of like this weird, you don't see a lot of guys who are just entrepreneurs out there doing their own thing, and they have presumably enough of their own capital or their friends or whatever to just do their own thing. And we talked about how he was able to expand people's access to these weird characters in toy form because he just kind of had a feeling that people would want them, and then they did. which I just thought was really cool. It was like, to me, to me, that's more of like a, you know, kind of like American dream story where somebody like comes up with this thing and they're like, you know what, if we build it, they will come. And then he did it. And he did exactly that.

6:46 Yeah. And I didn't get. To ask him about the sexy cyborg though. I was, yeah. Thank you. We're waiting for that. Right. Yes. I was waiting for that. Absolutely. Oh my word. Yeah. And we do have some people in chat. So hello to everybody in chat that's watching. So anyways, guys, Brian Volkweis did reference our theme song, which I think is way cool. If you guys would like to help support Trek Talking and Beyond, because this does cost money to produce and our website and everything else, you can do so by going over to our Facebook page, Trek Talking and Beyond, and become a subscriber. It's only 99 cents a month. Come on, no big deal. But if 99 cents is too steep for you, you can also help us by liking and sharing our posts because that helps our algorithm grow on Facebook, and we would really appreciate that.

7:40 So thank you. Thank you if you can do that. On tonight's show, we're going to talk about The Strange New World, Season 4, Episode 9, Tomorrow's Enterprise. I'm sorry, Episode 10, Tomorrow's Enterprise. This was the season finale. We only have six more episodes to go, so we have that to look forward to. We also have our fan shout-outs, and that's where we thank fans just like you for supporting our podcast all around the globe. Charles is going to have his cadet review for us about this episode. We have our fan reactions and our fan scores as well, just like we do every week. And you can find out what actor you share a birthday with on our Sci-Fi Birthdays. And of course, Uncle Jim's Movie Pick of the Week. And last but not least, what's going on around the Star Trek universe? We have a giant Enterprise dice.

8:30 And speaking of Enterprise, Enterprise turned 25 years old this year. So without any further ado, let's dive into some fan shoutouts. And we're going to start off with Eric, as usual. Take it away, Eric. You know what? Jim, don't you think we have to come up with a fan shout-out song now? It's got to be like, fan shout-outs, fan shout-outs. Yeah, David and I were kind of, you know, maybe we'll get Whitney to sing something. You know? She's like, nope. Oh, no, no, no. Trust me, you do not want that. If you value your glasses, your windows.

9:12 I've heard Whitney sing on the intercom at school, so I know that she can do it. That was rap. That was rap, Jim. Well, we can do a rap song. Fan. Shout outs. There you go. If you guys can write a parody to Weird Al's parodies, I'll be happy to do a rap version. Are you a Weird Al fan? Yeah. Me too. I got to meet him. I met him finally last year. He's awesome. He's fantastic. Oh, that's good. He is great. You know what I think this calls for, V? What? I think this calls for a girl nod. Yeah, girl nod. You asked someone you can girl nod with now.

9:56 I don't even, how did we get the guy nod? I don't even remember. This week goes out to Mr. Stephen Jones, who's in Chester, England, representing from that most amazing of aisles. Thank you so much, Steve, for supporting our podcast and for checking in with us on our socials. We really appreciate that. Also saying hello this week to Rachel Carr, who hails from Dublin, Ireland. I know if Paul were here, he would hail the various virtues of Ireland. He loves that place. Rachel, I've never been there, but I hope to go one day and hopefully you enjoy living there in Dublin and supporting our podcast. Also saying hello this week to Henk-Jan van der Leij, who lives in the Netherlands. And I always like to talk about the Netherlands because did you know that more than 50% of the Netherlands is actually below sea level? So they are on the forefront of technology in terms of retaining the ocean. And like, think water world. Yeah, I believe the Netherlands will actually rule the world in the future. But that's just my personal thoughts.

11:15 Thanks, Hank Jan. Educational as well. Well, there you go. Thank you, Hank Jan, for supporting our podcast. And last but not least, I'd like to say hello on my list to Klaus Kuningbauer, who hails from Franconia region in Deutschland. And he's sending us that beautiful live long and prosper hand. Klaus, thank you so much for saying hello to us. We do get a ton of support from right there in the middle of Europe, in the beautiful country of Germany, and we appreciate yours as well. What do you say we talk about Texas? I think we should because this one goes out to David Hammond from Texas. So he is Hammond of Texas for my Stargate fans.

12:07 Yes, thank you. And thank you, V, for getting me into that show. Yeah. And next up, a big hello goes out to somebody who sounds like an interesting guy. We have Rick Kahuna Nesbitt. So he's the big kahuna in Louisiana. So thank you, Rick. Next, we have a hello going out to Rachel Ashworth from Spokane, Washington. So on your side of the planet, so to speak. And last but not least, Mike Wine from Paragould, Arkansas. So hello and thank you to all of you. Now I'm throwing the, what is it, the flaming microphone over to, or whatever it is.

12:57 I don't know. I love how every week is just a little different. You're welcome. You're welcome. Yeah, going to Charles. Grabbing my engineering gloves, because I'm not sure how hot this thing is. Let's start off with somebody who was born and raised in Florida. Welcome Thomas Young, who gives us the live long and prosper sign. Welcome Steven P. Brown from Chicago, Illinois. Welcome Steven. Welcome Jim Blair from Alabama, who loves our podcast. Great to hear it, Jim. And Russell Branhofer from Fishers, Indiana. Welcome, Russell. Now I'll send this flaming microphone megaphone with gloves over the gym.

13:55 You know, it doesn't have to be flaming if it's not a birthday, guys. Why not? Why not? What's this card man doing? Yeah, we'll flame on. I want to. Say hello and thank you to Dennis Harden. He's in the Hudson Valley region of New York. Thank you for being a fan, Dennis. I also want to say hello and thank you to Keith Edwards, who's listening to us right now in South Carolina. And Greg Payne, who's in Central Texas. I wonder if he knows the Big Kahuna. I wonder. Oh, that was the Hammond. Hammond of Texas. The Hammond. Yes, he's. He's the Kahuna Nesbitt. And last but not least, I want to say hello and thank you to Ryan J. Geslund, who's in Detroit, Michigan, just north of the Canadian border. Thank you so much, guys.

14:47 If you would like to hear your name featured on a future fan shout-out, it's very simple. Please visit our Facebook page, Trek Talking and Beyond. You'll see the Live Long and Prosper post pinned at the top of the page. And all you got to do is tell us where you're listening from and leave some emojis because it gets my attention. And if you see a heart next to your name from yours truly, Uncle Jim, then you want to tune in because you're going to be featured on a fan shout out. And these awesome pictures that you see on the screen here. Of course, if you're a subscriber, you get to see all of these awesome pictures. You can send us your picture. There's me and my wife and daughter meeting Gates McFadden up at Trek Condoroga a couple of years ago. You can send us your pictures, and David will put them right up there on the screen so the whole world can enjoy your pictures. All right, guys, that's our fan shout-outs. And, you know, there we are meeting Freddy Krueger. What a great guy he was, I'm telling you. While you're at TrekTalk and beyond on Facebook, every week I like to throw up questions, polls, just to see what's going on with the pulse of fandom.

16:00 And you can answer polls such as this week's poll. But before we get to that, we need to hear the polling song. Open, open, open. You know we like knowing what you thought about the show. And we try to share your opinions with all of our minions. They're because they listen well. All right.

16:44 So, David, you want to put up the polling picture? Do you have that? So before we do our poll results, though, I thought we might do something a little different. Once we get the picture, there it is. I thought we would do something a little bit different, which we do this with our fan score. So I thought we would do this with our polls as well. So, uh, Eric, on your ship, if you were the captain of the USS Chattari, who would you choose as your first officer of the nine? Uh, who would I choose? Yeah. Who would you pick as your CMO? Well, Jim, I want to see how we line up with our, Well, Jim, this is perhaps my favorite poll that we've ever done because it allows me to express my absolute and utter love of Catherine Pulaski, perhaps one of the best and most underrated doctors of all time in Star Trek. I freaking love Catherine Pulaski. I love that she has one of the best character arcs of all time where she goes from basically being a racist to enjoying tea with Worf. And come on, Diana Mulder, are you kidding me? So my number one choice for doctor this week is Catherine Pulaski. I will say that that's mostly on principle. I do love me some Pulaski.

18:15 I absolutely do. I would also like to throw an honorable mention towards Dr. Hugh Culber. who was a breath of fresh air and I think a different kind of doctor who had a little less snark and a lot more empathy. And I really enjoyed his performance as well. So I'm going to go Catherine Pulaski. But like, if I get a second vote, Hugh Colbert on the side. So, Eric, you read my mind because I would go with Dr. Colbert every time. And my reason for going with Colbert is because I felt that he was more like he was a doctor and a ship's counselor. Yeah. He kind of, he kind of did it all. And, um, I, you know, plus he was a husband and a father, not a father, um, an adopted father, I guess is the word. Um, so I really liked, I really liked that he was able to handle the family, the ship, the crew, his own death and coming back. I just felt that, you know, he, He was a very well-rounded doctor, and I would put him on my ship as chief medical officer. Charles, you get the same question. Of the nine, who would you pick?

19:29 Well, my first choice would be the EMH because you have a doctor who can be on call at any time and can be coming up with new medical techniques anytime. Go through, read the computer, download it, and have a new medical technique for something new that we hadn't heard of before. Button. my second choice would probably be Beverly Crusher. She definitely had a good bedside manner and definitely worked well with her patients. Same question for you, David. You're the captain of the USS Chaparri. You have to pick... your chief medical officer, who are you going to pick?

20:11 Well, I gave it a heavy thought and my very first number one would be Dr. Phlox. I like how unorthodox he was with a lot of his methods and just experiencing the frontier itself, you know, made me think that he knows his stuff. And if I had to pick a second, I would definitely be a toss-up between either the inmates or Dr. Bashir. And mainly because like what Charles was saying he's just anytime shows up but I chose him as both Dr. Bashir and the EMA because Dr. Bashir even though he was genetically engineered he pretty much knew his stuff too and he seems like the kind of guy that you would trust along with the EMA to do any kind of procedures or surgery that you need because of how steady their hand can be so yeah.

21:05 Did I ever tell you guys the Wesley Crusher, Will Wheaton, Dr. Bashir story? Did I share that with you guys? No? Maybe? But I'm sure you're going to anyway. I am going to anyways. So back in 1992, I was doing a Star Trek convention in Albany, and he was one of our guests. And my wife and I went to pick him up in the limo, and the first rule is you don't talk Star Trek with him. That's their job. Stand by me or anything else is cool, but stay away from Star Trek. And then he jumps in the limo. And the first thing he says to me and my wife is, don't you think that Dr. Bashir is a giant gland? And right off the bat, we're like, I like this guy. And we talked about Star Trek the whole time. Will Wheaton is by far the coolest dude. So that's my Dr. Bashir, Will Wheaton story.

22:00 He thinks that Dr. Bashir is nothing but a giant gland. So there you have it. All right, V, so you're the captain of the USS Chapari. And who are you going to pick as your chief medical officer? Well, I did this poll and I chose the EMH because for the same reasons that Charles mentioned, because he's on call, he's never going to be tired anymore. And he has, I think, the whole database, data, data. What's the difference, huh? You know what? She figures that out, too. I know. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Yeah, that's why I said that. That's why I said that.

22:42 But you know who you didn't put on here, who would be my second choice, just because she's freaking hilarious, is Dr. Ta'ana from Lower Decks. Because you get some really hilarious. I know. You know, she's the one who she's the one who gave us. Well, technically, she didn't. But one of my favorite. One of my favorite. About. Never mind. Yeah. You know which one I'm talking about. I think I do. They eat a bag of board. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't know Dr.

23:23 Tawana came in here. Yeah. Anyway. I saved the best for last. So Whitney got to hear everybody else's thoughts. So Whitney, you're the captain of the USS Shaqari. You're picking your crew. You got to choose your chief medical officer. Who are you going to pick? Being an IT person, I'm going to have to go with a doctor just because of all the other reasons mentioned. And also because, um, His sense of humor. I happen to like snark. And him and Bones, you know, they just have all the snark. They're awesome. But Crusher would be.

24:05 A close third. We heard what the truck spurts think and what we thought. Now let's see how close we were to our Facebook fans. So Eric, what did our Facebook fans have to say and how close were we to them? Well, in our number nine spot, we had Hugh Culber with only 2% of the vote. So both Jim's number one vote and my number two vote came in last in this poll. And perhaps that's just not enough people have been exposed to the amazingness of Hugh Culber and the fact that I think he's really the only doctor that fits into the 21st century thing here. You know, even though he's in the 20-whatever century. All right. In number eight, we have Dr. Boyce with three percent of the vote. And I always well, always I wonder about this.

25:00 We show, of course, the picture of original Dr. Boyce, which as far as I know, just has like a case of martinis that he walks around and offers people on the Enterprise. but new boys seems to actually have lines and things that he's talking about. So I don't know. We were, you know, I'm not sure which boys people are thinking of here, but he came in number eight with only 3% of the vote. It amazed me that more people picked martini drinking boys over Colbert. It just blows my mind. I mean, you know, it's hard. Like when your doctor shows up and opens up that case, man, and you're just like, man, you know, I mean, that's got legs. Yeah. And he knows how to use them.

25:41 He sure does, yes. I see what you did there. I just dated myself. What can I say? Oh, my gosh. All right. I'm going to get my slowly guitar now and leave. All right. In our number seven spot for this poll, we have Dr. M. Banga, also represented by two different actors. But, of course, only one episode for the other guy whose name I just blanked on. And... We have our current Dr. Mbinga. So 5% of the vote for Dr. Mbinga. Thanks for that. In sixth place, we have Dr. Bashir. I believe David's choice there, right behind the EMH, with 9% of the vote. So we're getting up there. In the number five spot, guess who, you guys? Dr. Pulaski.

26:30 That's right. 10% of the vote. That's actually way more than I thought she was going to get. So thank you for the four or five people who answered our poll for Dr. Pulaski. In our number four spot, we have Dr. Phlox. Dr. Phlox. You know what? I will say, David, of all these doctors, Dr. Phlox by far has the biggest and best smile. Am I wrong? Yeah. 13% of the vote for Dr. Phlox. So thanks for that. In the number three spot, this actually kind of surprises me. I thought they were going to be in the number two spot, but we have Dr.

27:14 Crusher. Dr. Beverly Crusher with only 15% of the vote in the number three spot. In the number two spot. I was going to say, she lost points because of the sexy ghost thing. The candle thing. You know what you have to do is you have to take all Beverly Crusher things and multiply them by seven sixths because she didn't actually get a full seven seasons. Right. So you have to like you have to take whatever your opinion is of Dr. Crusher and multiply by seven six, which automatically just kind of makes it just a little bit better. That's solid math right there. Yes, it is. Yeah, that's why. I mean, come on, guys.

27:55 Yeah, I'm pretty sure the math is right on that. All right. And in our number two spot, we have, I believe, the number one choice amongst Trexperts, the EMH. That's right. The guy... that apparently most of you like because he can work 24 hours a day, so you just really want a slave to do whatever you want for 24 hours a day all the time. Wait a second. Hold on. You have exposed yourselves. I see what kind of doctor you want on this ship. I get it. Oh, yeah. It's coming to get you. He did get, however, 24% of the votes. So that was actually like almost number one on our list. And I, you know, I, of course I'm kidding. The EMH is amazing.

28:37 He goes through an amazing character arc over the whole seven seasons of Voyager. He's one of my favorites as well. And Robert Picardo, of course, is one of the coolest, like most fun actors that we still have with us from the Star Trek franchise. And don't forget the name that he chose for himself. Yeah. Well, did he ultimately choose that, though? Was that where he ended up? That's in Endgame. Yeah, the last episode of Voyager. Yeah. And it was for his wife's, because he has a wife, and it was her father or grandfather, something like that. Something like that, yeah. And don't forget, Eric, that he has a daughter, too, on Starfleet Academy.

29:21 He sure does. And those were some really cool episodes that I think we all really enjoyed. It was so fun to have him back as a character on Starfleet Academy. So yeah, yeah, no surprise. He's in that number two spot, 24% of the vote, just three percentage points above the EMH, and I think that there's a lot of good reasons to choose this guy. We have, of course, Bones. Bones McCoy, who we all know from TOS, the original movies. We get to see him at 137 years old in Star Trek The Next Generation. And in fact, he is alluded to in tonight's episode, but not actually shown. So apparently, you know, on the ship, but not shown. I kind of like that mystery. We'll talk more about that later.

30:13 So your number one choice was Dr. Bones McCoy, 27% of the vote. that's a pretty good spread, you guys. That's like, you know, nine people got good amounts of the vote and the top two, not surprising. And then the good cluster in the middle, that's a solid. I haven't graphed it, but I would guess that's a solid bell curve. And none of us chose bones. None of us chose bones. That is true. Although Whitney may have tended that way, it sounded like. He was the original EMH. Yeah, he was, yes. It's a combination of pressure and the doctor. He was on call 24-7, had all the stuff thrown at him, but he had a little bit more of a bedside manner and definitely the snark.

30:58 Yeah. For sure. He's this Jim. The best line ever. Yeah. Or, damn it, I'm a doctor, not an escalator. So, how is our crew shaping up for the USS Shoppery, Eric? Oh, man, we are looking pretty good. So, so far, we have put four major crew members on the USS Shaakiri, the ship that wants to share your pain. At helm slash pilot, we have Tom Paris, you know, creator of the Delta Flyer. Chief of security, we, of course, have Odo.

31:42 the man who can turn himself into liquid and is probably the biggest gumshoe that we ever see on Star Trek. We have Chief Engineer Scotty, because, I mean, Scotty, right? And you all, by three percentages, have chosen now Bones as our CMO. So, you know, this is shaping up to be a pretty good crew. We got two TOS members, one DS9, and one Voyager. So far. Nobody from TNG has made the final cut, which is kind of surprising. That is very, very well. We haven't gotten to Captain yet. No, we have not. I think our next one, Jim, isn't our next one supposed to be about first officers?

32:26 First officers up there. Oh, yeah. Go vote for your favorite first officer. All right. Well, there you have it. There's our poll for this week, guys. You can go to our Facebook page, Chuck Talkin' and Beyond, and vote for who you would kick as your first officer on your star show. And now it's time for some cadet training with Charles. Cadet training, training, training. Cadet training. Cadet training. Yeah, we need a song for that, too. Yeah, we need a song for that. Yeah, we need some songs. Okay, well, my Trexburg can sit back. My Trexburg can sit back a little bit because I went down a rabbit hole for this week's episode because there was so much in it.

33:16 Let's start off with... Seriously, people, if you don't have a drink yet, grab one now. Let's start off with. Whitney had one, I saw. Whitney's got one. Okay. All right, let's start off with Star Trek Generations. Why Generations? Because Una mentions, this feels like a Tuesday. It's like, of course, dealing with the Tuesday joke from Generations. Strange New Worlds. Tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow. This is where Leon deals with time travel and why she has knowledge about it. Black Holes. Enterprise Singularity. TNG's Timescape, Voyager's Parallax, and Lower Deck's I, Escritus are all episodes with black holes.

34:10 Time Travel, City on the Edge of Forever from TNG, Season 1. Trials and Tribulations, Star Trek Deep Space Nine, Season 5. Yes, Here's Enterprise, Next Generation, Season 3. Cause and Effect, Star Trek Next Generation, Season 5. Little Green Men, Star Trek Deep Space Nine Season 4, Timeless Star Trek Voyager Season 5, TNG's All Good Thing Season 7, which is definitely a good tie-in to this episode. Star Trek Original Series, Where No Man Has Gone Before, When Kirk Mentions Playing Poker with Gary Mitchell. Thought that was an interesting throne in there. Star Trek Discovery Season 2, Through the Valley of the Shadows, where Pike visits a monastery on Moonbase and discovers the time crystals and his future.

35:13 That's why Pike knows about time travel. Temple Investigations, Strange New Worlds, Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow, and Trials and Tribulations. The beings at the end of this episode reminded me a lot of the prophets because they don't follow linear your time. DS9, Emissary Part 1 and Part 2 were introduced to that. At the end, I just had some reminisce of TNG and the regular poker games where suddenly they're saying, yep, they're into poker. But that's quite a bit, and I'm sure there's a few others that the rest of the Trekshbergs could come up with for tying to other episodes. But I can see Eric over there biting at the bit wanting to talk about this episode and what happened.

36:16 Hmm. Yes, I do, Charles. So this, of course, tonight we're talking about Tomorrow's Enterprise, Season 4, Episode 10 of this season of Strange New Worlds. This is the Season 4 finale, and it's a time travel story centered on, of course, Nyota Uhura, who we are featuring here in our beautiful picture. Thank you, David. While the USS Enterprise under Captain Christopher Pike investigates a white hole, which was kind of an interesting concept, Uhura begins hearing distress calls from Scotty that nobody else can hear. She eventually discovers that the calls are coming from herself one year in the future, creating a temporal link between two versions of the Enterprise. Naturally, of course, setting off Pavloian responses for most of us who have seen yesterday's Enterprise, if the title of this episode didn't do enough of that. In the future timeline, James T. Kirk becomes captain of the Enterprise. We're going to talk a lot about that, I believe. Scotty and Uhura are romantically involved. We should talk about that. And the ship has moved noticeably closer to its TOS configuration.

37:30 A temporal anomaly, one of my favorite types of anomaly, connecting a white hole and a black hole threatens both ships. And in particular, Scotty's survival, which I thought was a great catalyst for the whole story in this one. Present day Uhura and future Uhura must cooperate across time. to prevent a causal paradox, of course, the one that's sort of like is the snake feeding or eating its own tail, right? And restore the proper timeline. A major emotional theme in this episode, of course, is Uhura confronting knowledge of a future that she's not supposed to possess. She sees who she may become, who she may love, and what the Enterprise will eventually look like under Kirk's command. Like many classic Trek time travel stories, this episode asks whether knowing the future helps or harms the present. And I think there's a lot of that in this episode. We have two time periods that are sort of represented. We have Pike's present, which is in this season, the year 2261.

38:31 And then we have one year in the future. So that's Kirk's near future. So that we know now it's established that in the next year, Kirk takes over command of the Enterprise. As Charles was alluding, this, of course, has lots of different references to the past. Yesterday's Enterprise was a very strong reference for me. All Good Things, he mentioned. We have the transition from Pike to Kirk, which is a major thing. We have a time travel thing, but with Uhura, which is pretty interesting. I don't think we've seen that before. And for just the description of the episode, I would say that this one generally seeks to have a nice character arc for her and kind of like show how she develops into the person that we all know and love from the original series. So enough hearing me try to summarize things here. Let's actually talk about our opinions on this episode. What do you say?

39:32 Well, first, let's go over what our fans had to say. Oh, yeah. See, I normally don't do the recap, so I'm used to handing it off to somebody. But I get to do two things. Woo! All right, here we go there. I didn't want to put too much pressure on her. That's okay. That'll be the next show she shows up on. Yeah. Okay. All right. All right, for our fan ratings this week, we have James Young, a top fan, meaning that he spends more time than most on our Facebook page, which we appreciate. He gave it a 9 out of 10. It almost felt like a Star Trek film, quite inventive and enjoyable.

40:12 Ashley Kell said, I think it was an 8. It was a very good episode. It was an interesting story, but also filled in details on Matt Price, gave it a 10 out of 10. Season 4 hasn't been amazing on the whole, but when it stuck the landing... Like this episode? Phenomenal. And a little smiley face with hearts in the eyes. So lots of love from Matt for this episode. Jonathan Jacobson gave it a 9 out of 10. The Breach space baby was a tad too cute, but at least they added a strange new life form to the time travel theme. Great episode for Uhura Celia Rose Gooding after she played an important role in the secondary plot of episode 8, which... with Episodes 1 and 6 of Season 4, was also a very good Trek sci-fi episode.

41:01 Episode 10's live-action depictions of exotic Enterprise crew members from the animated series were icing on the cake. I want to talk about that, too. Thanks, Jonathan. Gary Smith said, in honor of the anniversary, a 60. Yeah, I'm sorry, Gary. We have to average that down to a 10. But I appreciate your enthusiasm. Patricia Silva gave it a 10 out of 10. Michelle Sparrow gave it a 10 out of 10 with bonus points for nostalgia. Lots of love, little hearts and things coming from Michelle. Alan Dale Tackett, easily a 9.5. That sounds to me like actually a 10, Alan. So we're just going to round that up a little bit. Stefan Parker gave it a solid 9.5. Stefan's only gripe was that the Deus Ex Machina type resolution In other words, the way the thing ended. Everything else was spectacular, especially the visuals and the extra characters. We can talk about the Deus Ex Machina part of it here, Stefan. Thanks for saying that.

42:03 And Amy F. Fab gave it a 9, and that gave us, you guys, a fan score of 9.5. Unheard of in Season 4 of Strange New Worlds. We've seen a couple scores in the past that were like that, but this is... This is bonkers. So you all absolutely love this episode. Should we round it up to 10? Well, I don't necessarily think we have to. But yeah, it's just kind of fun to see numbers this high. The last time that I believe that we had a number this high was like, I don't know, It might've been like a, like a lower decks episode. These old signs.

42:43 I think everybody thought it was like really good. Episode one. Fans gave episode one a 9.7. This is the second highest of the season. Wow. All right. Well, you know, there's been such a lull between now and then Charles. Yeah. I sort of forgot. That was nine weeks ago. Thank you. That was nine weeks ago. That's why I can barely remember what I had for breakfast. So, uh, yeah. Thank you all for answering our polls and for giving this episode a 9.5. And now we should talk about what we all thought. Now it's time to talk about the episode. So I'm going to jump in here first because I can. I wanted to mention this beautiful character right here, directly from TAS, that's Star Trek, the animated series. And that's M.R.S., who, of course, was voiced on the original animated series by none other than Major Barrett. And that was a practical costume, guys.

43:38 And there's the headpiece. I heard a lot of people online complaining about the shoddy CGI. Well, it wasn't CGI. It was actually a person in a costume. Same thing with this awesome guy right here. This is Alec Holm. And he's from the animated series as well. He's an Aurelian. And he was voiced by James Doohan. And he appears in the awesome episode yesteryear of the animated series, which we talk about all the time. And then we got this guy right here, which you can barely, barely see because he's so dark. But you can see the spine on his head and his tail. And that is S.O.R.D. S-O-R-D.

44:21 And he's a reptilian type of a crew member. I couldn't find the name of the race, just the name of the character. And he appeared in the animated series episode, The Jihad. Jim, that character type, I believe, is called a Sleestack. A Sleestack. There you go. Okay. I mean, it more or less is a Sleestack, right? Pretty much, yeah. Pretty much. So I thought it was great that they paid a lot of attention to the animated series. So I just wanted to and David did some great job here with the graphics and the pictures and things. So thank you, David. Uh, now back to our regularly scheduled programming. So this episode was a lot of fun. It was great. Um, you know, after sitting through, you know, I was expecting a Brady bunch or a Gilligan's Island episode, the way the season has been going, but, uh, they've given us some really, really good ones. And I think as Eric hinted at either, they're really good or they're really bad. Um, You know, it's a peak in a valley thing. I think Magnitude of Orders was phenomenal.

45:37 Off Hour was phenomenal. This episode was also phenomenal. I really like the Scotty-Ahora relationship. And V, why did I like that relationship so much? Hmm? What? Oh, sorry. Yeah, why was that relationship... Why did I like that so much? What am I saying? Sorry. V, just say Star Trek 5 and you'll be fine. Star Trek 5. Why does God need a starship? That's right. What does God need with a starship? I remember when Scotty and Laura hooked up with Star Trek 5 and the fans went crazy. Well, guess what? Here they are. Okay.

46:20 I don't remember that. Okay. All right. Cool. It's okay. We'll give you a break. You're not blue today, so that's good. But I did like seeing Scotty and Uhura build a relationship. As Eric hinted at earlier, when Captain Ortegas comes aboard the ship, she's a pilot. She's teaching pilots at Beta something or other. She's a teacher at Beta. I should have written it down. Anyways, she's a captain and she's teaching people how to fly. I mean, she basically, Jim, did she not look like a captain for the Rebellion?

47:03 Yeah, she should have been in Star Wars. Yeah. Yeah. And she didn't have that weird haircut. She had a weirder haircut. I like her better that way. I like her better. I like her better this way than with that wild, wild hair. But Captain Ortegas comes back. And if you pay attention, They throw a lot of information at us in that one scene. First of all, we see all the animated series characters all hanging out in the shuttle bay. But if you pay attention to what she's saying, she's talking about Dr. Mbenga leaving the ship and Dr. Boyce coming aboard the ship. She also mentions Bones.

47:43 We don't see him, but she says that mentions Bones is on his way. So we got that, which is a nice little callback. You know, I can't say anything negative about this episode. Celia Rose Gooding is phenomenal. We saw her acting chops in orders of magnitude. And we see them again in this episode. She's just outstanding. Everything that she touches is gold. One of my favorite scenes in this episode brought a tear to me eye. Is when Pike sees Uhura hugging Scotty in the hallway. And then he realizes that she's not from this time. And they go into his ready room. And they have a talk about time. And he says, you know, I know a little bit about time. And she can't tell him about the future, which he's aware of. And that moment they share where she hugs him and thanks him for things he hasn't done yet. And he knows... Because Pike is in a unique situation. Pike knows what's going to happen to him. He knows where he's going to end up, and he knows what his destiny is. So, Uhura thanking him for these things he hasn't done yet, I think it just justifies that he's making the right decision. He did make the right decision, and that his future, you know, he's tried to avoid it in the past, but couldn't.

49:13 And that, you know, it's the right thing to do. I just... It was a beautiful scene. It was well written. It was well acted. And I just, I love that scene right there. In fact, she actually calls him by his first name. She calls him Chris. And which is a level of intimacy that we haven't seen between them before. So that was just incredible. You know, if the writers can write stuff like that, why are we, well, I won't get into that. But anyways, phenomenal scene, great scene, well-written, well-acted. Scotty was outstanding in this episode as well. He had some really great lines and some great stuff to do.

49:54 But I think Uhura steals the show, both future Uhura and past Uhura. The scene where she meets Kirk and Kirk talks about Gary Mitchell and he says, you're not my Uhura. And Kirk figures it out as well. the fact that he mentions Gary Mitchell. I thought that was a great callback as well, and I really liked that. There's nothing about this episode I didn't like. This was the episode of episodes. I got to give it a 10. I got to give this one a 10. And I read online that this episode was originally written to be the final episode. This was going to be how they were going to end Strange New Worlds until they were petitioned and got approved for the six more episodes to bring Kirk up to the captain's chair and introduce Sulu and Bones, which we'll see next season. And as a sidebar, I did read that next season is going to be no gimmicks like we saw in this season. It's just going to be straight up, you know, Star Trek, introducing these characters and moving them to where they need to be.

50:59 And that's refreshing to hear. So I'm looking forward to the six episodes of next season. So for me, I got to give it a 10. I just have got to give this episode a 10. It was absolutely outstanding. A lot of fun. A lot of action. The aliens in the wormhole, were they the prophets? Was it V'ger? Who can it be now? You know, because when they gave their name, They sang it, and they didn't translate it for us, so we don't know what they said. They were just... So whatever that is, that's what they are.

51:43 And again, Uhura, with her incredible linguistic and musical talents, is able to decode that. A little help from Future Her. Which I believe she did in Season 1 as well. Wasn't there a musical egg? And that they had to Yeah. Yeah. There's been a couple of, of nice, like Uhura audio feature, uh, ends to season, uh, in this show so far. And we actually, I mean, I was, I'll talk about this too, but like discovery had a little bit of a, a similar kind of audio alien ending situation. Yeah. Yeah. I, so I really enjoyed it. I thought it was straight up Star Trek. Um, They didn't have to rely on gimmicks or anything else, and they just hit us with a strong, good story with good characterization, some great moments. Dr. Boyce gambling with Spock on the bridge I thought was interesting. Spock and Kirk talking about poker.

52:45 There was just so much stuff to love in this episode. So for me, 10, straight up 10. And I'm going to turn the microphone over to Whitney because she's our guest here. So I think that she should get the first opportunity here so there's not too much pressure on her. So, Whitney, the flaming microphone is yours. Oh, goodness. I need another drink. I, too, would give this probably a 10. Originally, I was thinking probably closer to a 9 to a 9.5. Because of the space baby, I thought that was a little corny. But as I thought about it, I kind of thought that maybe that was kind of cool because it's very reminiscent of the prophets and how they always use the linear language that we use to describe things. So I warmed up to it. Um, so there's that. And yes, I do liken this very much to the prophets. It could be like them or something similar to them, a birth of one of them.

53:54 I don't know, but it very, very much reminded me of the prophets for some reason. And I can always say that's intuitive. I have scoured the internet looking for similar music, something that would explain to me why I thought this, and I can't find the example that I thought I had, but, um, definitely related to the prophets in my mind. Um, So there's that. I also like the poker references. For one thing, next generation fan here. So there's that. But also watching Uhura transition into more of a poker face. I never would have thought that of her. But, you know, for her to be in the sick bay going, I'm fine. And they're like, yeah, no, you're not fine. You know, it's just very reminiscent of, you know, somebody making that change over only a year's time, apparently. Um, the other thing that I was just kind of remembering too was, uh, I did like Scotty in this. Uh, I find him hard to understand because he's actually Scottish. Um, I have a hearing thing, but I do love the accent.

55:03 And in this, he actually did a sort of a captain's voice from like an airplane. I thought that was hysterical. And then Ortega's turns around and tries to mimic him. Yeah. So just a lot of these things and a lot of little references, I thought it was definitely a bump toward a 10. You know, Whitney, when the poker face of Uhura reminded me of Star Trek III with Mr. Adventure, and she's like, is your adrenaline flowing? Mr. Adventure, get in the closet. It kind of reminded me of Star Trek III when Uhura kind of puts the guy in the closet. I'll have Mr. Adventure eating out of my hands and put some in the closet. Yeah, Uhura shines in this episode.

55:50 She really does. And the music and the language, you know, somebody, I think you might have mentioned that or Eric did. That was very much appreciated here too. You know, she's always, I remember, I think it was, I can't remember the name of the episode. The one with the kid that had kind of godlike powers and he had been left behind. Oh, the first episode of Strangely World? No, no. Charlie X. Charlie X, yes. That was the one where she was singing to him. She has such a beautiful voice, and so does our current Uhura in Strangely World, or I should say older.

56:32 I also used to like a lot about languages, and so to see something kind of tangible... that she's now interpreting was kind of cool, too. And Nurse Chapel had the 60s hairdo starting, and so did Ahura. I mean, it wasn't quite the woven beehive, but it was heading that direction. Yeah. Yeah. It was getting there. And she mentions Robert. Yeah. And her relationship with Spock, she mentions him as well. So a lot of stuff to love. A lot of tie-ins. A lot of good stuff. A lot of good stuff.

57:14 And V, why don't we just, we'll just, you got your gloves on and catch this flaming microphone? Yeah. No, this was, this was a fantastic episode. It was very, very Star Trek. And like you, I think that the part that got me the most was that scene at the end with Uhura, you know, calling him Chris and knowing what she knows, but she can't tell him, but she's thanking him. And that just, God, that was just so powerful. But I think that I can't imagine that Nichelle Nichols wouldn't be proud to see you know, the character that she brought to life, um, you know, channeled by, by Celia Rose Gooding, because just, I mean, they got the hair and they got the, the uniform and everything. It was just, um, absolutely, uh, marvelous. I, I must admit, I have just the way my brain works.

58:24 I have trouble with, with, uh, time, you know, the timey wimey stuff. So I, I struggled with that. Um, But, you know, the back and forth and everything. But I do like, because they've done it before, where you have the, you know, current Uhura with the one year in the future where they're, you know, you see both of them. And so that helped me a little bit. But, yeah, I also thought with the space baby, it's like, oh, can we call it something else? And they said, okay. And that, you know, they're calling it that. And they said, okay, I guess we're going with Space Baby. It was kind of funny. But I was thinking. about the TNG episode.

59:13 What was it called? Galaxy's Child, where they had the what I call the space ravioli creature. that's what it looked. Like it looked like. A space ravioli it. Did look delicious it did look like it was made out of those little constructs things. Uh-huh yeah yeah and where they had to because the you know they had to rescue it and everything and so yeah i don't know why i thought of that but anyway space ravioli yeah you're welcome uh But no, just I don't know what else to say. I mean, you all have said pretty much what I was going to say. So I'll just get straight to it. I gave it a 10. It was just an absolute 10.

59:55 It was fantastic. You know, V, when they called it a space baby, my brain immediately went to tell you in the 2001 Space Odyssey reference from the last episode. Mm-hmm. Uh, I went to space baby floating, um, in the, I still don't understand the movie. I've seen the movie a hundred times, read the book, still don't understand it, but they had the floating space baby. Yeah. Oh, that's right. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my gosh. That's so funny. And Pellius said that she did send notes to Stanley about the movie. So I thought, oh, that's where the space baby came from. Yep. I don't think anybody understands that. They called it the star child, I think, in the movie.

1:00:40 The star child, that's it. But, yeah, but, you know, yeah. Still love it, though. I still love the movie. I still watch it all the time. Still don't understand it, but love it nonetheless. All right. So, David, you got a 10 for me, a 10 for Whitney, a 10 from V. What do you got to say about this week's episode? Very nostalgic, for sure. I really enjoyed the looks that they did for her. In the year later. I liked all the little differences that you started seeing here and there. Although, to me, it looks like the Enterprise didn't really change all that much on the outside of it. So I was like, okay, so when are they going to make it more TOS Enterprise?

1:01:28 So I don't know. You mean, when are they going to add the, like, big, ridiculous lights and the cardboard buttons and the, like, is that what you mean? No, the exterior of the ship, not the interior. Oh, so when does it look like a 1960s model hanging in space versus the cool thing that it looks like now? You're wondering what the retrofit is that makes it into the 1960s version? I'm pretty sure that they have plans just to reboot the series, which is fine by me. But I mean, just the idea that we're thinking right now, this is kind of leading into the TOS. So I'm thinking. So everything kind of has to fit together like a glove, but yeah.

1:02:08 I love your obsession with Canada. It's so fun. It's just so fun. But that's not going to change my score at all or anything. I was just saying, you know, I noticed these things. I'm very observant. Well, I just want to point something out to you though, David. The fact that we saw animated characters from the animated series means that the Enterprise has not gone back and been refit yet. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that's a good point. I was just about to bring up the whole MRS and Illurians and whatever that dinosaur... When I first saw that reptile go by, my first thought was like, hey, is that a Gorn? And I was like, no, that can't be right. That's what I thought, too.

1:02:50 I thought it was a Gorn. So, um. But yeah, I really enjoyed Emerus because she's, as Eric brings up all the time, we play Star Trek Attack Wing a lot, and Emerus is one of my favorite cards to use in that game. So I got really into the TAS episode, watching all the cartoons, and I really enjoyed a lot of it. And seeing them in actual canon now as live action, Not to say that TAS is not canon. I'm just saying the idea that being able to see them, and they're not CGI, which is really good. So, yeah, I actually really enjoyed that part.

1:03:36 I was, like, super excited to see them. I was like, whoa, is that MS? I was really hoping she would have lines and be able to interact with the crew, but I guess I haven't really gotten there yet. But other than that, yeah, this episode, really dig it for me. And I'm going to have to agree with Whitney here because when they first mentioned the space baby, I was like, what? What's going on? And then, yeah, the more I thought about it, yeah, it just could be the Prophet. But to me, I'm actually thinking... It could be just a completely different alien or species or whatever you might want to call it. I don't think it has anything to do with.

1:04:16 No, wait, you don't have to tie it into something that's happened before? It could be something new? Oh, my God! New! New and blue. But, yeah, it's the idea that, I mean, there have been lots of aliens that apparently go with linear stuff. Like, one of the episodes in TNG, remember that child that appeared in... O'Brien and Keiko's quarters in front of their child. I think it was their child who was pretending to be her friend and she was, like, imaginary. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean, she was, I would assume. Oh, yeah. You're talking about Time's Orphan. Something like that, yeah. Yeah. I mean, she could have totally been a species that didn't have to deal with linear stuff. So, to me, I mean, it could be almost anything, really. And so to tie it with something that's already in... Yeah, I mean, it's an idea. It's an interesting idea where the prophet came from or Vigor. But then again, Vigor, wasn't he from Earth?

1:05:16 I don't know. But I read somewhere that somebody said that this could be the beginning of the Borg. And I'm like, what? Nah, that can't be right. But yeah. Anyways, other than that, the relationship brought on with the original. Let's see, what else? I actually enjoyed the conversation between Ahura, future Ahura, and Pike. I thought that was really good, too. It actually kind of made me think a little bit about how much of an impact Pike actually had with the actual TOS original crew back in the day. And it makes me wonder now, why didn't Ahura go with them on the away mission to go see Pike in the chair? But yeah, I mean, you know. budget but other.

1:06:10 Than that yeah um. If it wasn't for the space baby i would have given this a 10 but i might actually still bump it up to a 10 just because of the fact that there was a lot of stuff that i really enjoyed in fact seeing ms and eulerians that really bumped up my score quite a bit so i yeah i'm just gonna probably just go with a 10 I'm just going to say it. Ten. Final score. We're on fire tonight. Wow. Oh, speaking of fire, I forgot my gloves. Uh-oh. We don't want to burn Charles. There you go. We don't want Charles.

1:06:50 To catch on fire. Oh, I got my stock of engineering gloves. Or, well, we didn't start the fire. No, but we did put it out. Yeah, someone took my gloves. I think Charles did. Okay, now I go through my list because I'm trying to keep track of notes. I love Leon tells her hurrah. I can't tell you to go look for the target of the distress call. It's like, okay, this is time travel thing. I can't tell you what to do. Though I can say what you probably should do. I looked at this and kind of caught because we had star dates in this one. 2873.2 and 2876.2, which I found out goes to 2262 and 2263. I love that Ortega is still in Starfleet. One of the characters we found out, okay, she just moved on, but we're glad she's still around.

1:07:39 I love the Ohuras. Use of time to do tests. Oh, what if I go ask Spock if this is possible a year later, going to him and, oh, well, if you asked me a month ago, I would have given you a different answer, but here's the answer you're looking for.

1:08:26 And you got to make a dilithium crystal, or not crystal, but dilithium diamond. going back and telling her her and making Scotty help her make a dot, make one of the diamonds. So I love the use of the, of a year's distance. And then I mentioned the fact that her 62 and her 63 switch spots. And that's why that was interesting for them to have them integrate into what was life for her past. and what was going to be her future. And the fact that both Pike and Kirk know they're Ahura's and knew there was something wrong, something different about them. I like the discussion of Ahura's poker face. That she's good at poker. That's interesting to see that she is. How interesting that Lon's future. They won't discuss it. So we don't know what's going on with Lon. That's still a mystery, which I think is going to have to be solved next season. And David talked about Pike. Pike and Uhura. And I love this quote from him. I can't tell you what to do.

1:09:54 Only you can tell you what to do. And I thought that's an interesting quote on time. You have to make your decisions for you. I love the scene on the ship. It's like Spock's like, I know what's going on. Pike's like, you don't want to know. Well, I'm second command. I should know. It's like, no, science officer. You should know. Okay, Spock, the space baby. Okay. It gives that look like, okay, maybe I shouldn't have asked.

1:10:38 And as we've been talking about when I mentioned the prophets, I don't really tie these directly to the prophets. I tie them to a similar being. As a prophets. They're from different places. But they are similar in concept. And I like the fact that we're dealing with. Such a being that you never know what. Could happen with them. But I love the fact that we brought them in. As I said before, my trucks, the truck spurts did come up with a lot more. I didn't get any of the TAS stuff. And you guys caught a bunch of animated stuff. But as we're saying, this episode kind of go with the flow. And it's like, that's why I was, I sat there and started doing cadet review.

1:11:33 And it's like, well, we can tie that to this and to this. All good things. But how many of the episodes that I listed were considered some of the great episodes? I was debating on maybe like a 9.8, 9.9, but I'm going to follow the group with this one and go with a 10. This is a 10. This is the episode we needed for the season finale. And, you know, Charles, you were mentioning the Ahura Pike conversation. And one of the things that made that conversation just so emotional is that Uhura knows what Pike's future is, but she doesn't know that Pike knows what his future is.

1:12:25 Because Pike already knows where he's going to be. But she doesn't. But she doesn't tell him. She just thanks him, which leads me to believe that she never got a chance to express those feelings to him before that happened. So now she got a chance to. It was such a beautiful, beautiful act. Yes. I just can't get it out of my head. It was just incredible. All right, well, Eric, you get the caboose, buddy, and you've got a lot of pressure on you, buddy. You got a 10 from me, a 10 from Whitney, a 10 from Vee, a hesitant 10 from David and a 10 from Charles. So you got the flaming candle now and it's all up to you.

1:13:07 You got the caboose, buddy. All right. Well, you know, right from the get go, I really was drawn into this episode. Not only was it Uhura focused, but it starts out with a mystery. And if you want to get me involved in something, give me a mystery right up front. I thought that was fantastic. Obviously, Like yesterday's Enterprise came to mind, as I said, mostly at the beginning just because of the title of this episode. But then once it kind of gets started, you see parallels to that episode. So I really did like that. The current time period even starts a little bit into the future, right? Because Bones is apparently on the ship somewhere, just not being shown. So I thought that was kind of a fun little tie-in. And I like the way that they told the stories. I'm still making my way through all of the Expanse books, but there are many books that are written in a manner in which there's a singular period of time and one chapter will tell what happens during that period of time from one character's perspective.

1:14:10 And then the next chapter might tell that same period of time, but from another character's perspective. And that's what we get here. We kind of get like, I think it was the first at least 20 minutes to a half an hour of this was just the same scene told from a couple of different perspectives. So I thought that was like a really cool way to just tell the story and connect the future and past Uhuras together. When this picture right here, when Erica Ortega shows up with that hair looking like a freaking rebel, I just loved that moment. And I loved her kind of like girl talk moment with her and Uhura talking about Scotty. And then just like riffing about Scotty and, you know, it's just, it was really a sweet moment. So I, I like that. Um, let me see the language, you know, anytime, uh, we kind of get these sound based episodes. I always begin to start to think about close encounters and I bring it up every single time, but you know, the, that whole idea of like communicating through music, I find fascinating and I love it every single time they bring it into Star Trek. I did have kind of an oh crap moment where that shuttle blew up right in the future and Scotty and Ortega's die. And I was like, oh my God, what's happening right now? So I had a little bit of a panic at that moment. I'm glad they figured out how to resolve that with the story.

1:15:32 So many other cool things in this episode that you guys have already talked about a whole bunch. I want to talk just a little bit about Ethan Peck. So we have talked all along about how much we like his Spock, about how we like kind of the directions that they've explored with Spock, you know, the more emotional side, all this kind of stuff. I will say, though, in my opinion, and I think this episode kind of brings it home, Ethan Peck has a much harder time hiding his natural heart-on-his-sleeve manner than Leonard Nimoy does. And there are a couple of times during this episode when Spock is reacting in such a way that if you were to sort of compare the way that Nimoy would have acted it versus the way that Peck acts it, there's a little bit more of that kind of background restrained emotion.

1:16:22 I'm not saying that's a negative thing. I actually think it's kind of a cool complexity that they've added to the character that I feel like Peck in the future now, uh, not future versus the show, but like future versus like where Nimoy was performing, the character has a little bit more experience and a little bit more like history and stuff with that. So he's able to kind of bring complexities to the character. I hope that made some sense. I just am saying that I really dig the way that, uh, Ethan Peck portrays this character and it is different from how Leonard Nimoy did it. Um, and I think that's okay. Um, The idea of changing the past or knowing about the past, this is a thing that comes up in Star Trek periodically.

1:17:10 It's a thing that I don't get tired of. I get a little tired of just time travel for the sake of time travel, but I don't get tired of the idea of destiny or the idea that you have to end up somewhere in order to achieve some kind of goal that you're supposed to achieve. The cool thing that was unique about this episode was that they set these two timelines against one another. And you know the second timeline isn't going to survive, right? We know Scotty's not dead. We know. Like we kind of like go into this episode knowing how it's going to turn out.

1:17:51 And yet still the performances and the writing were good enough to kind of carry us through the whole thing. So I don't know. I just appreciated that quite a bit. Speaking of time travel, apparently Chapel has dated somebody from the Department of Temporal Investigations, right? So I don't know. Some woman from the Department of Temporal Investigation says Data Chapel. I can't wait to learn more about that in the future. That sounded kind of really cool. I will say that the moment that kind of made me just kind of lose my shit, so to speak, was like when Uhura was on the hull of the ship. I love hull shot.

1:18:33 There's something about hull shots that are just like so cool. And she's out there doing her thing with the drones and she's on the hull of the ship. And it was like a, I don't know, there was like this visceral moment where I kind of got goosebumps and I just, I really appreciate how Star Trek Strange New Worlds and Star Trek Discovery have chosen to celebrate not only women but like celebrate people of color and just like really show that these are leaders just like all the rest of us and stuff and I just thought that was a really special moment that kind of gave me a little bit of goosebumps. So, um, awesome. Um, I probably need like in conclusion, I probably need to watch this episode again. Cause I feel like there was a lot that I just want to see again. And anytime that I want to watch an episode over and over again, I know that it's a special episode. There were so many episodes this season that I was just like, I'm literally never going to watch that episode again. This one I will watch over and and over and over again.

1:19:28 And I will recommend it to friends who want to know like what Star Trek is all about. Like to me, this is one of those ones that's a little bit special. So I absolutely gave this one a 10. It's right up there at the creme de la creme level of all Star Trek. And after this podcast is done, I'm going to go watch it again. Well, you know what? I'm no math genius. But I don't even think we have to have Charles do the math on that one to know what the Tuxports gave it. Seems pretty clear. Pretty clear. We gave it a solid 10 compared to... I. Thought it was a 9.9. Well, yeah. David gave it a 9.999.

1:20:11 So. Actually, Jim, I'm going to bring up some other details. Yes, the fans gave it a 9.5 to our 10. Now, overall, based on our polls and our votes, the fans gave this season an 8, which is actually the lowest score for Starfleet because the lowest previously was an 8.1. The host gave this season a 7.4. So it's interesting to see what the roller coaster of the season was.

1:21:00 That's actually pretty surprising. I would have put both of those numbers lower just based on mentally what we've talked about this season. Is it because negative stuff sticks more than positive stuff does? Is that what it is? I don't know. I can share the spreadsheet with you, but I've got the whole list of exactly where the numbers went. No, I believe your maths. It's just all about like. Next week, we're going to talk about that very topic. Oh, yeah, that's right. We're going to go over that. We're going to review the entire season. We're going to give you guys our favorite episode, our must-see episode, which I got a feeling is this one, and the must-not-see episode, of Season 4.

1:21:46 So we're going to talk about that next week when Paul is back. So that's something for you guys to look forward to. And that wraps up our review of Star Trek Strange New Worlds Season 4, Episode 10, Tomorrow's Enterprise. Whitney, did you have a good time? Did you enjoy your visiting Trek-sport-ism? You know, I think the most stress that I've had this entire time has been from the cat going up above my screen. And threatening to jump on my laptop. I thought I would be a little more stressed, you know, trying to talk in front of a camera, but not so much. It's actually been fun. I knew that you would be a natural. I just knew it. Now I just got to get you on a panel at Triconoroga.

1:22:33 Yeah, that would be harder. Speaking of natural, though, I wanted to tack on to something Ahura. that time travel, um, I had forgotten about that where she did the dilithium diamond. Um, that kind of makes her a natural time traveler. She was really spectacular in that. Very smart. When she says to herself, if only we had more time and the other horse says like a year. And so she was able to, to build it across time. I thought that was brilliant. And the other, the other thing, um, I think it was Eric that mentioned it. Um, was Ethan Peck, his performance here, he does have that less logical, stoic thing, but I think in this episode, he almost had more of that, and I think that was interesting, because I almost saw him as the later Spock.

1:23:28 Almost. Not quite. Which I thought was kind of tying. It in nicely. There was that one scene on the bridge where they were talking about poker and gambling, and Boyce and Uhura were ribbing on him, and he kind of just says humans. And he kind of, I heard, I could hear Leonard Nimoy's, I heard Leonard Nimoy say it the way he said it. I thought it was totally channeled, totally channeled it. Did I, did I ever mention how I got to meet Ethan Peck this past March? No. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's like only my, the, like my current Facebook profile picture, but, um, just being able to tell him, cause, um, How he, I think he's doing a marvelous job as Spock and that he definitely has the acting chops from his grandfather, Gregory Peck.

1:24:20 So, yep. And he's handsome as heck, too. So that helps. Sexy cyborg. Yes. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Now we just need to get him on the show. Oh, my word. I gave him, I gave him the card. And he said he would consider it. So, but I haven't heard, so. That means you basically went on a date with him, B. Oh, sure. I wish. I wish, I wish, I wish. Oh, my God. Did I ever tell you guys a story about meeting John Delancey at Trek Con Aroga? Yeah, yeah. We're not going to tell that story right now. Did I ever tell you the story about meeting Ethan Peck at Trek Con Aroga?

1:25:03 You have, but you can tell. Is it in the same room? It was in a different room. It was in a different room. Thank goodness. It was in a different room. So guys, I think that next time we have a truck spurt that's going to be absent, we can have Whitney step in. What do you think? I think Whitney was a natural at it. I think she fits right in with our aura of excellence. I can't think of a better name. I'm quite honored. Thank you. I'm going to have to get you a truck talking t-shirt.

1:25:43 Make it official. There we go. I'll bring it into work when I come back. I got a couple left here. And that'll make it official. I'm glad that you... were able to join us and that you enjoyed yourself. Me too. Freck talking with us. And Five Cats, who's watching us in the chat. Thank you for putting up with us. Do we know who Five Cats is? I have a feeling. But it could be one of. A few people. Let's let's say hello to five cats hi five cats my uh my cat anakin is not here right now but my dog leia is and she's laying right here at my feet i'm surprised she didn't make an appearance sometimes she does but she didn't feel like it tonight all right so that wraps up our review we got a long way to go before we can talk about strange new worlds again a whole year unfortunately. We do have Starfleet Academy Season 2 coming up, so we'll talk about that. Next week, we're going to do a recap of Season 4, so you don't want to miss that.

1:26:51 But now, now is a fun part of the show, because now it's time for our Star Trek birthday! Star Trek Star Trek Star Trek Star Trek Star Trek Star Trek. Don't lock up your doll, Laura. That was not a Klingon song. Grumpy Wolf says that every week. We don't care. We like it. I think I didn't add Whitney to our official chat, but I think I will so that in the future... Whitney will have fan shout-outs and birthdays to do, so I apologize, Whitney. So, Eric, we always start off by, sadly enough, remembering those members of our Star Trek family, or the sci-fi family, who are no longer with us. So, Eric, take it away.

1:27:49 Yeah, Jim, this week we are starting beyond, and we are saying happy birthday to the late Christopher Reeve. Hard to believe that we lost him all the way back in 2004? Yeah. That seems crazy to me. But he, of course, portrayed Superman slash Clark Kent in Superman the movie, Superman 2, 3, and 4, The Quest for Peace. He also portrayed Dr. Virgil Swan on the Smallville TV show, appearing in the second season episode, Rosetta, and the fourth season episode, Legacy. As we know, a CGI recreation of Christopher Reeve appeared again briefly in as Superman in the Flash movie from 2023, alongside a recreation of Helen Slater's version of the Supergirl movie character. So Christopher Reeve... of course, did plenty of other things in his life. At one point, suffered a terrible accident, but still continued to be an advocate and a luminary for all actors around the world. So happy birthday and lots of love going out to the late Christopher Reeve. Happy birthday as well to Roger C. Carmel, one of my favorites. He, of course, was famous for playing hardcore Fenton Mudd in the TOS first and second season episodes Mudd's Women and I, Mudd. He also voiced the character in the animated series first season episode Mudd's Passion.

1:29:22 Roger began working in television in the early 1960s, appearing on programs such as Naked City, Car 54, Where Are You?, The Dick Van Dyke Show, The Munsters, one of my favorites, and The Man from UNCLE. In 1980, Carmel won the regular role of Lawrence Brody in the NBC series Fritz and Bones, on which he co-starred with Star Trek The Next Generation actress Diana Mulder. That's right. Yeah, 1980, she was working with him. After the failure, unfortunately, of that television show, Carmel performed primarily as a voice actor, most notably for the animated series Transformers, on which Michael Bell also worked, as well as the Transformers movie with Bell, and most famously for Trek fans, Leonard Nimoy, who of course played Galvatron.

1:30:11 It's the 40th anniversary of Transformers. I was literally just in the movie theater about two weeks ago seeing it for the first time on the big screen because I didn't see it in 1986 when it first came out. But it was really cool to see, or to hear his voice, rather, in that. Again, he, of course, voiced some of the most terrifying voices on the Transformers, including Bruticus, Cyclonus, Metasar, Motormaster, the Quintesson leader, and actually Unicron himself, as well as the disgruntled businessman. Yeah, he played that part too. He was also the voice of Smokey the Bear in countless Forest Service public service commercials throughout the 1970s and 1980s um and the last thing i always love to mention is that if he he of course showed up in the old tv series batman one of my one of my deep loves um so roger c carmel i would have loved to have met you man you did some cool stuff and you're quite the character when it comes to uh playing harry mudd happy birthday to you Happy birthday as well to Richard Hurd, the American actor who played Owen Parris in the sixth and seventh seasons of Star Trek Voyager. He also played LaCour in the Next Generation six-season episodes Birthrights Part 1 and Part 2. He's perhaps best known for his role as the Visitor Supreme Commander John in the science fiction miniseries V from 1983, which.

1:31:43 I know myself and especially Jim have a lot of affinity for. He's also known for starring opposite William Shatner in TJ Hooker. I know Jim loved that show. And for playing Admiral Noyce on the series Sequest DSV. Another banger. This guy's been everywhere. And for his role. When they ripped the side of his face off and you saw the wizard's skin and that red eye. It was like, yeah, forget about it. It traumatized me as a kid for decades. It traumatized me as almost, I think I was a young adult. It traumatized me. It's traumatizing me just hearing it. I was 10 then. When Diana was eating, eats the gerbil.

1:32:28 She holds a gerbil up and opens her mouth and swallows the whole gerbil. Another level of traumatized. That TV show was just sick for the time. But it was a lot of fun. But it was fun. And it had Richard Hurd memories. Yes, absolutely. A lot of good memories, yes. So at one point, Heard was actually the third national vice president of the Screen Actors Guild, and he was also a member of the Enterprise Blues Band, a musical group that writes and performs songs about Star Trek. He was a singer, an instrument player, a mouse eater, guy all over the place. Happy birthday and lots of love going out to Richard Heard. Happy birthday as well to William Wyndham, the actor from New York City who is well-known for his portrayal of Commodore Matt Decker on the TOS second season episode, The Doomsday Machine, the guy with the half beard and the drunken stare. In 2004, he reprised the role of Commodore Matt Decker in the Harms Way episode of the fan series Star Trek New Voyages, which if you haven't seen that, highly recommend that. Not canon, but still super cool. William, excuse me, Wyndham won an Emmy Award in 1970 for his performance on the short-lived James Thurber sitcom My World and Welcome to It.

1:33:58 I watched it. Yep, I watched that. Did you really? Okay, cool. Yes, I did. Well, there you go. I have not seen that one. However, Wyndham is probably best known for his reoccurring role as Dr. Seth Hazlitt on the hit mystery series Murder, She Wrote, co-starring Michael Horton. and the amazing Angela Lansbury, by the way, not Star Trek adjacent, but still super cool. He was very prolific. He has over 250 credits on his IMDb page, so I encourage you to go check out all the things that William Wyndham did in his many years on this planet. We lost him at 88 years old back in 2012. Happy birthday to William Wyndham. And last but not least, we go beyond one last time and say happy birthday to Cindy Morgan, best known for her portrayal of the Tron characters Laura Baines and Yori. In 2003, she lent her voice talents to the video game Tron 2.0 for the character, I'm not sure how to pronounce this, Masa?

1:35:02 Is that how you say it? M-A-3-A? Mathria? I don't know. As Lacey Underall. She also played Lacey Underall in Caddyshack from 1980, which we have a picture of with, of course, Bill Murray with that. that famous face in the Bush's eyes. Lacey Underhill. Yeah. I'm sorry. It's a great name. I gotta tell you guys, this one is special to me because believe it or not, the very first date that I took my wife on when we were in high school was to see Tron in 1982. She hated it.

1:35:43 She thought it was the worst movie ever. She still hates it. But she's still married to me. She's still here. And we pull it out on our anniversary, and I make her watch it. The blood comes out of her eyes and everything, but she watches it. And every anniversary, she's like, I hate you so much. But I will tell you another interesting story, though. I hate you so very, very much. Did you guys get a chance to see Tron Ares? Oh, yeah. So when Tron Ares came out, we don't have any movie theaters here, so we have to go all the way up to Middlebury to see it. And my wife said to me one Saturday, hey, you want to go see that new Tron movie? I almost fell out of my chair. I'm like, you want to go see a Tron movie? She says, yeah. So we go up to Middlebury to see the Tron movie. And it was me and my wife and two other people in the empty theater.

1:36:36 Who were those two other people? You're never going to guess. You'll never guess in a million years. Lawrence Luck and Bill. One of them is right here with us now. Oh, Whitney was there. Yay. Yes. And I did not know that Whitney was there. Nor the other way around. The next day at work, I was talking about Tron, and she said, oh, I went to see it too. And come to find out, Whitney and Dale were the other two people in the theater with us seeing Tron. That's funny. We noticed there were only two other people in the theater too, and I'm like, wow. We're kind of by ourselves pretty much. And we almost ended up at the same.

1:37:19 Restaurant, too. Yeah, there's a nice little restaurant up there that we usually go to after the movie, but it didn't happen. So, yeah, I went to see Tron Aries, and so did Whitney, in honor of our anniversary. So that's my Tron story. Okay, that's all. Well, thank you, Jim, for capping the end of it. Cindy Morgan lost just a couple years ago in 2024. Happy birthday to her. And that does it for our remembrances this week. So I would love to pass what actually is flaming me, which is a birthday candle. Over to you. Thank you. Thank you, Eric. I don't even.

1:37:59 Yeah, I have. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. It's OK. It's OK. I still love you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Well, my first happy birthday goes out to Beth Toussaint. who played Ishara Yar in TNG fourth season episode Legacy. Of course, Tasha's sister. Then, ooh, happy birthday to Linda Hamilton. She's known for portraying tough resilient characters and she made her film debut starring as sarah connor in the terminator which i saw in the you know, seeing all this AI stuff and when they had the Robot Olympics in China recently, it's like, did nobody watch the Terminator movies?

1:38:52 It does not end well for people. So, but yeah, I always think of Skynet. Every time I see robots or hear about AI, Skynet, right? So, let's see. She was in Terminator, two of its sequels, Terminator 2, Judgment Day, and Terminator. Dark Fate. She's the recipient of two Saturn Awards, two MTV Movie Awards, a Satellite Award, and a Romy Award, as well as nominations for three Golden Globes and one Primetime Emmy. Her other film credits include Children of the Corn, Black Moon Rising, King Kong Lives, Dante's Peak, and on television, she starred as Catherine Chandler in In Beauty and the Beast.

1:39:43 Anybody know who portrayed the Beast? Like the actor's name? Yes, yes. Ron. Yeah, it's that guy. It's the same guy that plays Hellboy. Yeah, Ron Perlman. And I watched that show. I watched Beauty and the Beast because it was so romantic. Yeah. Ooh. Wow, this is a big one. Happy birthday to Mark Hamill. Of course, he played Luke Skywalker in the original and sequel Star Wars trilogies, leading to further lead parts in films like Corvette Summer and Samuel Fuller's The Big Red One. Oh, sorry, V.

1:40:26 I just want to mention, I feel like it would be irresponsible not to mention Mark Hamill's portrayal of the Joker in Batman the Animated Series, which I think was like probably the like, like behind Luke Skywalker, when people talk about amazing voiceover performances, like this is always one of the ones. That's in the top 10. He also voiced, uh, what was the character in, um, uh, the, uh, can't think of it. The boy in the Heron, the, um, shoot. I can't think the studio Ghibli movie boy in the Heron. Uh, he does great voiceover work and he was the, um, this really creepy psychopath in Criminal Minds. I forget what the character's name was, but he was so deliciously evil.

1:41:18 I had a chance to meet him when my youngest son Hunter was born because he was in somewhere in Oregon, outside of Portland or something. And that's when we lived out there. And then husband decided that his lame-o family's Labor Day picnic was more important, so I missed my chance to meet. I know, right? Because I watched Star Wars. I went to the movie theater multiple times to see Star Wars in 1977. And he also appeared in the 1990 television series The Flash as the trickster in two episodes. So if you're a Flash fan, you can see him there as well.

1:42:03 He was also on Big Bang Theory as himself. Oh, yeah. That's right. He married, didn't he marry Sheldon? Yes, he did. I think he did, yeah. And Amy Fairfeller. Not just fun, but educational. The things you learn on Trek, Falcon, and Beyond. I know. Things you can't learn in school. Yeah, that's probably a good thing. Yes. So my last happy birthday goes to Natalia Nogulich. She's played the recurring character of Alina Nechayev. Is that right, Nechayev? Nechayev, yeah. Nechayev, yes. Which apparently was not a very well-liked character. Well, so here's the thing. When you start talking about strong women of the late 90s and early 2000s, nobody likes them.

1:42:59 Yeah, that's true. That's true. You know, some people will say Nechayev was a bitch, and some people will say she was a total badass. I personally think she was a total badass, you know? She went up against Picard, and people don't like the fact that she challenged Picard, essentially. And she was a little bit of a bully, let's be honest. Yeah, but she did the right thing in Measure of. A Man, though. She totally did. She's a good admiral. She was in TMG and DS9. And then she also played the simulated version of Cheyev in Deep Space Nine episode The Search Part 2. V, I totally forgot.

1:43:41 She was uncharmed. I'm literally chomping at the bit right now. I'm seeing this image right here, and I'm just like, I have to go find that episode right now because I love that show. All right. Yeah, I've been watching bits and pieces of it, trying to keep track of it. So good. Yeah. Something that's not listed there. She may be on this awesome podcast as well. What? Yes. I reached out to her and she said that she would love to come on the show with us. Oh, wow. And she told me that she's busy right now, you know, doing some things, but she would swing around when she gets free. Nice. So we are going to have an opportunity to talk to her on the podcast.

1:44:25 So that'll be awesome. Right. Yes. As soon as I have any information, I will let you guys know, but she's definitely interested in coming on the show with us. So nice. So I'm the bear in mind. All right. So now I have your fireproof gloves on Charles, because I'm hurling the flaming birthday candle over to you. Okay, thank you, V. I kept my engineering gloves with me in case I got to go into that chamber. Okay, let's say happy birthday to Dennis Lawson. Portrayed Rebellion pilot Wedge Antilles in all three films in the original trilogy.

1:45:11 Returning to the role of Star Wars Episode IX, The Rise of Skywalker. the only pilot other than Luke to fight in the Battle of Yavin, Hoth, and Endor. Coincidentally, he is a maternal uncle to Edwin MacGyver, who played Obi-Wan Kenobi through the prequel series. Great to see Dennis recognized. One of my favorite pilots in there is Wedge Antilles. Happy birthday, Scott Devaney, actress who played Bob Briggins in Star Trek. for The Voyage Home, the guy we don't like, because he just sat there and sent the whales away without even telling anybody. Happy birthday to Carolyn Cava, actress who played Toby Russell in Star Trek Next Generation 50s in episode Ethics. And the last one on my list, happy birthday, Elizabeth Dennehy, Actress who played Elizabeth Shelby in Star Trek Next Generation 3rd and 4th season episodes Best of Both Worlds. And in Star Trek Picard Season 3 episode Vox. It was great at that time to see Shelby come back.

1:46:32 Yeah, I love having that. Sorry, I was just going to say, I love Charles having this discussion every year because Elizabeth Dennehy's birthday is always, of course, around the same time as Natalia Nagulich's. And so we always talk about, you know, Shelby and Nechayev kind of being put in the same position in Star Trek, where they're both kind of like total badasses and everybody hates them for some reason. And also, it doesn't mention that she was also on this very podcast. Yep. She was here. You guys can go to trucktalking.com and you can listen to our interview with her. She was a lot of fun to talk to.

1:47:12 Very fascinating. She also, not by voice, but appeared in Lower Decks as a captain with her XO. So, I believe Jim loves talking movies. And I bet Jim will have a movie of the week. Absolutely. Thank you, Charles. So I don't get the flaming. Do I get the flaming candle? Sure. Why not? You can have the flaming candle, but you have no birthdays. You're going to have to talk. To the guy who makes the notes. I don't know. Okay, so I've got the flaming candle. So this is Trek Talking's movie of the week with Uncle Jim. I just wanted to shake things up a little bit. And because we do talk about things beyond Star Trek, so here we go. So celebrating an anniversary this week, we have Paranormal Activity. It was released on September 25th in 2007.

1:48:12 After a young middle-class couple moves into what seems like a typical suburban house, they become increasingly disturbed by a presence that may... or may not be demonic but is certainly the most active in the middle of the night this was a what do they call it found footage movie I remember when I saw this movie I thought it was real because MTV had such a build up to it and there was a website and everything else and it was all fake But it was still fun, still a fun movie to watch. Next on my list celebrating a birthday this week is The Rocky Horror Picture Show, released on September 26, 1975. Jim Sharman's legendary musical comedy horror cult classic starring Tim Curry, Susan Sarandon, and Barry Boswick.

1:49:00 After getting a flat tire in the middle of nowhere, newly engaged couple Brad and Janet encounter the eerie mansion of both flamboyant, seductive Dr. Frank and Footer, and a variety of eccentric characters through elaborate dance and rock music, the mad scientist unveils his latest creation, a perfect muscular man. So it's time to do the time warp again. In amazing gold underwear. Just a step too long. So Rocky Horror Picture Show celebrating a birthday. So I have to say, I met Barry Bostwick at GalaxyCon Richmond last year, the year before, whenever, I don't know.

1:49:43 And I had never seen the Rocky Horror Picture Show before. And I told him, and he said, you must be the only person on the planet who hasn't seen it. Because I didn't understand why he had. He was selling autographed Tidy Whities. And he said, well, if you see the movie, you'll understand why I saw the movie. I understand. And I will have to say he is a silver fox. He still looks good. And I actually, I told him so. But anyway, and of course, we just recently lost Tim Curry. I haven't seen it either. I have to admit to you that I haven't seen the movie either.

1:50:25 You can, I think on Pluto TV, I think it's on demand for free. So. Although Pluto TV just changed its format and it sucks how you go about it. Don't hold anything back, V. What do you really think? Yeah. Well, let's just say Pluto TV is owned by Paramount Plus and, you know, how we feel about them. But they changed the format. It's terrible. Yeah. Yep. So anyway. I have not seen it either yet. I've seen snippets, but not enough yet. Yeah. So we're going to have to get together, get a healthy pizza and watch it.

1:51:09 Oh my gosh. I, yeah, that would be amazing. And we could do a live watching and we could, I can help you guys figure out all the props ahead of time. But yeah, no, we have to like toast and you have to throw it at the, at the screen. There are a whole bunch of things you have to do. So I'm saying I'm hearing that there are a lot of Rocky virgins here, which if you're a Rocky fan, you know that that's what you guys are called. So we need to do it. I actually have some Rocky horror ones. And that's with an ex-girlfriend at the time. Who was a heavy one and sang through the whole episode of all the extras.

1:51:49 So I got the whole details of what the midnight run of Rocky Horror should look like or sound like. Well, we'll have to do something with that. Next on my list is Time After Time. It was released on September 28, 1979. Written and directed by Nicholas Meyer. starring Malcolm McDowell and David Warner and Mary Steinberger. It was the directing debut of Meyer, whose screenplay is based on the premise from Carl Alexander's novel Time After Time. The film presents a story in which British author H.G. Wells uses his time machine to pursue Jack the Ripper into the 20th century. Next on my list, I Come in Peace.

1:52:38 It was released on September 28, 1990. An alien lands on Earth and steals a whole bunch of heroin, then goes around overdosing people and harvesting their endorphins to take back his world and sell as the ultimate drug. He is pursued by an alien cop and an Earth cop, Jack Kane, played by Dolph Lundgren, and his ever-so-slightly-dodgy FBI partner. I think he's saying I come in peace is actually better than the movie, but that's just my opinion. Shoot to kill. It doesn't really take much to be better than the movie. Yeah, this is true. But the next one, the next one, Serenity was released on September 30th, 2005. It's an American space Western film written and directed by Josh Whedon and his future directorial debut. The film is a continuation of Whedon's short lived 2002 Fox television series, Firefly, taking place after the events of the final episode with all the main cast reprising their roles like a leaf in the wind.

1:53:44 And last movie on my list that was released this week was Halloween, The Curse of Michael Myers. It was released on September 29, 1995. It starred Donald Pleasant, Paul Rudd, and Marin. I don't know who that is. The sequel to Halloween 5, The Revenge of Michael Myers, and the sixth installment in the Halloween film series, the plot depicts Michael Myers hunting down the infant son of his niece, Jamie Lloyd. And what movie did Uncle Jim pick as the movie of the week? David, roll the tape. I am talking about traveling through time in a machine constructed for that very purpose.

1:54:31 Good God, I don't believe it. He actually built. The blind man. My name is H.G. Wells. I came here in a time machine of my own construction. I'm pursuing Jack the Ripper, who escapes into the future in my machine. What? How did you manage to find me down once you got here? You must add detective to your list of accomplishments. You're a regular Sherlock.

1:55:13 Why can't you just go to the police? They've never believed me. They've never believed me. They've never believed me. They've never believed. Me. Scientists. Whatever makes you say that? I'm obliged to take you back to face the consequences of your crimes. I belong here completely, after all. It's you who do not belong. Here. Ninety years ago, I was free. Today, I'm an amateur.

1:55:55 The future isn't what you thought. It's what I am. And why did I pick that movie? Directed by Nicholas Meyer, Star Trek II, Star Trek VI, Star Trek IV. Of course, starring who? Malcolm McDowell. And of course, David Warner from the best Star Trek movie ever, Star Trek V. He also had a minor part in Star Trek VI. A minor part. A minor part. And let's not forget that he played Sark in Tron. So if you haven't seen Time After Time, that's the movie I recommend. for you to check out. Jim, I just wanted to say before you go too much further that that was not the movie that I thought you were going to choose and I was pleasantly surprised to see that that was the one that you chose.

1:56:41 That was a movie that I was not familiar with probably two years ago and Paul told me about it and I watched it. I don't know what that trailer was. That was some kind of like modern trailer version of that movie. It was very like, wow, it's such a good movie. You should definitely check it out if you've never seen it. Very good movie. And what movie did you think I was going to pick? Well, you know, I mean, I know you love Dolph Lundgren, so I was thinking about I Come in Peace. But then I was like, well, he's probably not going to go that direction. He's probably going to go with something like Tim Curry related just because he just lost him. So I thought you might go for Rocky just because we just lost him. I was thinking about it, but with all the Star Trek connections, I had to go with that one. Yeah.

1:57:24 Yeah, it makes a lot of sense. My first introduction to Malcolm McDowell was Clockwork Orange. That's right. Yeah, another good one. Yeah. Good movie. And my first introduction to Tim Curry was It when I was 16. I hid behind the couch the entire time. Yeah, he was so delightfully evil. I have been traumatized by both actors, and yet, you know, they're awesome. Yeah. Yeah, he played a great Pennywise. And now it's time for our Star Trek news. Okay, we don't have a Shatner says what, but we do have a story for Eric.

1:58:22 Yes. Thank you, Jim, for giving me this story. I'm very excited about this. Star Trek Enterprise actually debuted 25 years ago, if you can believe it. It was September 26, 2001. Star Trek was at a crossroads at this time. Star Trek Deep Space Nine had just ended, and Star Trek Voyager was scheduled to end, so Paramount was looking for a way for the next series to carry the franchise on. The premiere was double-length, and it was an episode, of course, called Broken Bow, which showed the action starting with the launch of a prototype starship called the Enterprise NX-01 and their first mission. This presents the storyline that introduces the new cast. The first two seasons consisted of mostly standalone episodes that explored humanity's early relations with Vulcans, Klingons, and Andorians. However, after premiering with an audience of 12.54 million viewers, the first two seasons consisted of mostly... Oh, this is repeating itself.

1:59:24 We really got to proofread these articles before we put them up here. Okay, let me see. By the season finale, the viewership numbers had dropped all the way to 3.88 million. So the point of those two sentences was started really strong, dropped really fast. UPM wanted more action. Instead of the drama, the third season added a single serialized storyline of the crew trying to keep Earth from being destroyed by a newly introduced alien species known as the Zindi. UPN ended up canceling Star Trek Enterprise after its fourth season, the first time a network canceled a Star Trek series since the original. This ended the long run of Star Trek television shows. It didn't end Star Trek completely, as J.J.

2:00:07 Abrams' alternate universe Star Trek movies played out during the TV hiatus. This hiatus finally ended in 2017 with the launch of Star Trek Discovery, the franchise's entry into the streaming era. And there are many, many people who will tell you that Star Trek Enterprise is not worth watching. I will say it is four seasons, man, and there is a lot of good stuff in there. And I think that it is totally worth spending a little bit of time with it. Will you be frustrated in seasons three and four? Perhaps. But Seasons 1 and 2 are very, very good, and they are worth a watch if you have always hated the theme song and therefore hated the show.

2:00:47 It has been a long road getting from there. But now you can skip intro, V. It's like all good. Yes, I know. I know. Yeah, because she ate up the heart. I think Broken Bowl was one of the best pilot episodes of Star Trek that we've seen. It's really solid. It's really well written. It's really good, and I said it last week, I'll just repeat it one more time here, that also Star Trek Enterprise, for me, contains probably the most underrated character in maybe all of Star Trek, or at least one of the top five underrated characters in all of Star Trek. Travis Mayweather, I think, deserved a lot more attention. He's a super cool character with a really cool backstory, and I kind of wish that we had gotten more of him.

2:01:33 If they were to ever do kind of a like Enterprise, you know, 2.0. I would love to see where Travis Mayweather ended. Well, yeah, actually, they are thinking about bringing Scott Bakula back. I don't know about the rest of the crew, but they're thinking about bringing him back as the first Federation president. I don't know if you guys have been following that piece of news. Yeah, I remember that a while ago. Yeah, something called Reunited or something like that. Yeah, I don't know. We shall see if that goes anywhere. I think that that's kind of been a rumor for the last two or three years. We'll see if it ever happens. Charles gets to wrap up the show with our final story.

2:02:17 Okay. I've been researching this a bit myself anyway. Star Trek and magic. The Gathering puts Enterprise inside a giant D20. November 20, 2060 is the first crossover between Star Trek and Magic the Gathering, which comes with official licensed merchandise that gives tabletop fans a chance to own dice based on the faction of the series, including a huge one, Enterprise, sealed in plastic. Magic the Gathering Star Trek launches November 13th. And while it contains the usual booster packs, it also extends the commander decks, allowing players to instantly pit the Federation against the Borg and the Klingons. Sirius Dice has announced officially licensed Star Trek dice for Magic the Gathering, the most impressive of which are spin-down D20s that have the model of the USS Enterprise or the Klingon Bird of Prey inside. It bears mention that Star Trek fans will need to be packing some Ferengi profits to buy these dice. They cost $ 55 each. Sirius has also announced Magic the Gathering Star Trek Treasure Packs, which cost $ 8 and contain one of 25 different D20s designed of different rarities.

2:03:43 They also come with either an acrylic token sheet containing counters from Magic the Gathering or a card-sized token for one of the creatures in the set, including the Borg, Romulan, Klingon, Warrior, Officer, Illusion, or New Planet. There are also blind packs that cost $ 20, containing randomized mini dice, as well as two Magic the Gathering dice. These have designs based on different Star Trek factions, including the Federation, Borg, Ferengi, and the rarest being of all, inspired by Q. Should be interesting when this stuff. Hits the store. And guess what? Wraps up another incredibly awesome, totally exciting episode of Shrek Talking and Beyond. Hard to believe.

2:04:37 So I just I want to take this opportunity to say thank you so, so much to Whitney for Yes. For joining us on tonight's show as a guest truck sport. It was awesome to have you along for the ride, Whitney, and I hope to have you back again. You enjoyed yourself and that you feel like you're part of our family. Thank you so much. Absolutely. Thank you again. And it's nice to have somebody to be able to do a girl nod. With, so.... I'm not really sure what that is, to be honest. I don't know either. It's a long story, Whitney. Don't ask about it. I'm thankful, yes. I'm just so glad that, you know.

2:05:20 I'll tell you the story at work. When I come back, I'll. Tell you the story. Okay. Brace yourself. I know. And we apologize in advance. Yeah. And, of course, thank you so much to V for hanging out and talking with us. As always. You are blue and no static. So thank you so much for joining us. As always. I'm so glad to be here. See, this is what happens, Whitney, when I answer a random call for somebody to be on the podcast like a little over a year ago here last spring. And here I am.

2:06:00 So, yeah. That's right. Part of the TrekTalking family. And, of course, thank you so much to David for putting together these awesome videos, which you can see if you're a subscriber, by the way. Thank you, David. Yeah, it's been a lot of fun. And as Arthur Fortnick would say, I'll be back. I'll be back. Same bad time, same bad channel. And, of course, thank you so much to Charles for hanging out and TrekTalking with us tonight. Thank you, Charles. Oh, thank you, Jim. It was always fun. This was a great episode I wanted to dive into. It was fun. It was definitely fun. And last but not least, thank you so much to Eric hanging out in Shrek talking with us tonight. Thank you, Eric.

2:06:45 Yeah, 100%. It was super fun. And Whitney, such a pleasure to meet you. I'm digging the amount of estrogen in the room. I love it. Yeah, good times, guys. Thank you so much for a fun episode. And I'm your most excellent host, Uncle Jim, saying please stay safe and be good to each other. Hailing frequencies are closed. Good night, everybody. Good night. Live long and prosper. Bye, y'all. Wire two, number one. You're the captain. Captain.

2:07:25 Ready for warp, sir. Warp two. Thank you. Oh, my God.

2:08:23 Thank you.