June 25, 2025
Pillow Fight!
There’s nothing like the NBA and NHL Finals… unless you count professional pillow fighting.
In this episode, Father Dave and Deacon Bob celebrate the end of the sports season with a rundown of the Stanley Cup, the NBA Finals, and the rise of summer’s strangest athletic events, including the Pillow Fighting Championship (yes, it’s real).
But the heart of the episode is hope—the kind that doesn’t come from scores or summer plans, but from Christ. They reflect on the Eucharist, the Sacred and Immaculate Hearts, and the graces poured out at recent conferences at Franciscan and Notre Dame. From youth ministry to marriage milestones, they explore what it means to trust God with both our spiritual and everyday needs.
Naturally, they go off on tangents, from hotel bathrobes and awkward airline announcements to anniversary shoutouts and the idea of launching a Franciscan pillow-fighting team (tentative name: the Franciscan Feathers).
Highlighted Sections
(00:00) Bathrobes, Notre Dame, and the $175 Upcharge
Deacon Bob checks in from the Morris Inn at the University of Notre Dame, complimentary robe included. He’s there for Notre Dame Vision, a youth program inviting high schoolers into deeper faith.
(03:30) Sports Wrap and the Rise of Pillow Fighting
From there, they pivot to sports: the Florida Panthers clinch the Stanley Cup, Oklahoma City Thunder top the Pacers in Game 7, and Canada’s Stanley Cup drought continues. And just when you think sports can’t get weirder—enter the Pillow Fighting Championship, now with corporate sponsorships and, apparently, rules.
(10:31) Augustine and Airport Public Shaming
Fr. Dave highlights a recent In Focus episode featuring Dr. Shane Owens, where they unpack the enduring relevance of St. Augustine’s Confessions in a world increasingly shaped by AI and secular culture. The conversation quickly pivots, though, as Deacon Bob shares a less lofty moment: a painfully awkward moment from his flight to South Bend, where a bathroom break turned into a public shaming over the intercom.
(19:29) Hope as Grace: Conferences and Franciscan Honeymoon
Father Dave shares stories from the Power and Purpose Conference, themed around hope. He reflects on hope as a grace—not just good vibes or optimism—and mentions a couple who spent their 50th wedding anniversary and a couple on their honeymoon at the same event.
(23:01) Corpus Christi and the God Who Satisfies
Jesus didn’t just meet spiritual needs. He fed the crowds too. Father Dave and Deacon Bob explore how our trust in God is often strong in the abstract, but wavers in daily stresses. They tie it back to Corpus Christi, Romans 5, and the gift of the Holy Spirit.
(28:34) Sacred Hearts, Summer Kickoffs, and Marriage Milestones
Deacon Bob celebrates 28 years of marriage on the same day as the Feast of the Immaculate Heart of Mary. He also gives a shoutout to the kickoff of Franciscan’s high school youth conferences and the ongoing Priests, Deacons, and Seminarians Retreat.
(31:10) Praying for Peace in a Complicated World
The hosts close with a prayer for peace amid global tensions, especially in the Middle East and Ukraine. They close with a reflection on Pope Leo’s Angelus invitation to prayer and remind listeners that lasting peace only comes from the Heart of Christ.
Resources & Mentions
· Power and Purpose Conference – A weekend of renewal, prayer, and worship through Steubenville Conferences.
· Notre Dame Vision – A summer youth program helping teens hear God’s call.
· Romans 15:13 and Romans 5:5 – Scriptures that anchor this episode’s theme of hope
· Pope Leo XIV: Son of St. Augustine– Watch the latest In Focus episode with guest Dr. Shane Owens on Faith & Reason.
· Pillow Fighting Championship– Yes, it’s real. Yes, it has rules. Yes, you’re going to Google it.
Chapters
00:00 - Bathrobes, Notre Dame, and the $175 Upcharge
03:30 - Sports Wrap and the Rise of Pillow Fighting
10:31 - Augustine and Airport Public Shaming
19:29 - Hope as Grace: Conferences and Franciscan Honeymoon
23:01 - Corpus Christi and the God Who Satisfies
28:34 - Sacred Hearts, Summer Kickoffs, and Marriage Milestones
31:10 - Praying for Peace in a Complicated World
Transcript
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This week on they that Hope.
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Nba and NHL finals are over and I got airline shamed on my way to Notre Dame.
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Power and Purpose was celebrating Corpus Christi and hope, which is present in our world today Love, talking about hope.
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You can catch this podcast and many more at theythathopepodcasts.com.
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Welcome to they that Hope, with Father Dave and Deacon Bob Seeing humor and hope in a crazy world and celebrating 2025, a jubilee of hope.
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And I'm Deacon Bob.
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And I'm Father Dave, jubilee of Hope.
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And I'm Deacon Bob and I'm Father Dave.
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For those of you not watching, deacon Bob is wearing a Notre.
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Dame bathrobe Like terrycloth robe.
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Yeah Well, you know, I'm in the University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame, Notre Dame and I'm here this week speaking to teenagers.
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They have a youth program called Notre Dame Vision that they asked me to come speak at, so I'm kind of psyched about that.
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They put me up in the luxurious Morris Inn If you're not, it's the, it's the little hotel right on campus and they told me that I could charge things to my room, and hanging in my closet was this beautiful Notre Dame terry robe and it says you know, I can use it while I'm here and if I take it with me, they'll only charge the room 175 bucks, that's a good price for a bathrobe.
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I mean, they said I could charge things to my room and I got two robes.
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So let me know, that's a really, that's a really good, good idea.
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Actually, you know how many?
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How many friars are there?
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I'll just get.
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I'm sure if I just keep taking them, they'll keep.
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Yeah, they will.
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It's kind of like shampoo.
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I wouldn't say that every friar wants one, but I'd say half a dozen.
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Yeah, ok, yeah, I'll get, I'll just, I'll get, I'll get, I'll get, I'll get like 10 or so and thank you Notre Dame?
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They won't even know.
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They won't even know, you know, I don't think I mean just the advertising alone they're getting from this.
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I mean, think of all the students that are going to go to Notre Dame now because of I mean they're going to get the day that hope bump.
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And we're generous, we're not selfish, we've got the university in here at Franciscan as well.
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I don of bathrobes.
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I'll look into it.
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Okay, we we need to do that we absolutely need to do that.
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You know, I was talking to somebody who works here and, uh, and I asked, I said I said so do you do your kids get free tuition if they go to Notre Dame?
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Cause, that's a, that's a policy in many universities if you work for them.
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And he looked at me and he said well, the challenge is getting your kids into Notre Dame.
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Apparently, they only accept 11% of the applicants.
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That's insane.
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It's crazy.
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It's crazy, yeah, and I don't think they do get in.
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If the kids get in, they get a discount, but I don't think it's like we do.
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Well, I think what they worked out is you get like half off, but they have a really good policy where if your kids get to another school they'll pay half of that.
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So they kind of found a way to say OK, we realize that the majority of our students and faculty and staff won't actually make it into the school, so we'll help your kids go to other schools, so they're trying to find a way to be generous which sounds pretty generous.
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That's crazy.
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Well, good, have a good.
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How long are you there?
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I'm here through the whole week.
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I'm here until Friday.
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We'll miss you at the priest deacon seminarians conference.
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Yeah.
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Well, and those that are listening, they're used to going to that conference.
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Part of this was also, um, we've got some different folks in to help with the priest, deacon, seminarians and I was, and they were going to bring in their own musicians.
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So it was like, oh, I guess I have the week off and this opportunity came up, and anytime I have the chance to speak to young people, I'm usually jumping at it, so I do.
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It is weird to not be on campus during that conference and there's a lot of friends I'd like to connect with.
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But uh, you know, preaching Jesus to young people is at the heart of what God calls me to do.
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So I mean, that's also why, last year, when, you know, I was invited to be at the Eucharistic Congress and it was like or you could do a youth conference.
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I'm like yeah, I'm going to do a youth conference.
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No, it'll be good.
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We start this afternoon.
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It should be about 150 priests with us.
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Priest-deacon seminarians Fr John.
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Ricardo is going to be joining us, so look forward to it, and they're doing his whole rescue project thing right.
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That's kind of like a Catholic alpha or parish mission, vibe Right.
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It's really a pretty good critique of the culture, how we engage the culture and, ultimately, how the gospel is ultimately the answer to the ills that we're faced with right now.
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So yeah, yeah, okay we have to mention sports, even though there's not a lot going on.
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We had the power and purpose conference this weekend.
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It was so sweet.
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I'm going up the stairway and this lady I hear this lady yell at me father, father, start turning around and she goes.
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I'm one of the women who loves the sports.
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It gives me something, so it's, she goes.
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It gives me something to talk about to my kids.
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She goes.
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I'm not joking, she goes.
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I really appreciate that you guys do this so for both of you that appreciate that we'll keep it coming.
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Well, we had two major sports things happen this last week.
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Oh, three, yes, we'll start low and end high.
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So, stanley Cups three, let's not.
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Yes, let's start.
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Well, we'll start low and end high.
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So, um, stanley cups.
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The stanley cup winner was the florida panthers.
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They beat the edmonton oilers in game six.
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Canada goes once again without a stanley cup I think it's been about 38 years and florida, the state of florida, gets another stanley cup.
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Uh, you know the tampa bay Lightning.
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For the past few years, I think, they went to four straight Stanley Cup finals.
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They won two of them, and now the Florida Panthers have been in the past three of them and they've won the past two.
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So really, if you want to play hockey, the state of Florida is where Lord Stanley's Cup can often be found in this past decade and congratulations to the Florida Pulsars.
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You won it.
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Oklahoma City, that was your team.
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So Oklahoma beat Indiana in seven.
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Scrappy team Indiana.
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But too much for the Thunder, the Thunder were too much for them.
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So NBA is over, nhl is over.
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Yeah, NBA is over.
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It's worth saying something, though it was, you know, at the half the Pacers were up by one.
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Tyrese Halliburton went down with an Achilles strain.
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He'd been playing injured the whole time.
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It's that seemed to be the death knell for the Pacers.
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Congratulations to the Indiana Pacers.
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You fought hard you made game sevens are very rare in NBA finals and uh, but yeah, okc was the better team throughout, and so tip of the hat to OKC.
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And and, by the way, canada, if your best hockey player can't win in the Stanley Cup, which is Connor McDavid, at least your best basketball player, sga Gilgis Alexander, who is the MVP and also a Canadian.
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So at least the Canadians made it in a very different sport, but they're on top of the world.
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Of course, the big sports news, and I noticed this yesterday.
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I was at a Red Robin, which is where I always try to go whenever I travel, and I was looking at TV because I was hoping they'd have the finals game on.
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They did not, but they had instead the PFC championship bout.
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What is PFC you?
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asked no, I didn't Pillow fighting championship, championship.
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I didn't ask yeah it, it is two very muscular guys in a boxing ring hitting each other with, of course, pillows what I found very interesting was not only their fighting.
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Let me speak for a second.
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Do the pillows get broken um or torn up, or did you see that happen?
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I didn't see that happen.
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You know the sound wasn't on either, so I really missed a lot of nuance to the sport that I'm sure is there.
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I imagine the pillows are perfectly weighted.
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I'm sure there's rules about them.
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I thought it was funny they were also sponsored.
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You know, each pillowcase one was sponsored by Doritos.
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I think the other was sponsored by Sprite.
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Ridiculous?
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Of course they are, were they wearing headgear?
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No, they were not.
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No helmets, no headgear, so it was a free for all.
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I mean, I come from a family of five boys.
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Pillow fights were fairly significant endeavors in our family, so this is something I'm going to look into in great detail.
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I think it might be worth seeing if there's an NCAA version of this for Franciscan.
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You're not wrong.
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You're not wrong.
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I mean, we can't be good at everything, we're good at most things, but I'm listening.
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If we started a pillow fighting club, we'd probably rock it.
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Yeah, we started a pillow fighting club.
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We'd probably rock it, yeah, and the first rule of pillow fighting club, of course, is that there is no pillow fighting club.
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Okay, this is a name that's coming to me the Franciscan feathers.
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The feathers.
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Yeah, like you feather pillow.
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I like the bombers better.
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Actually, given everything that's going on, that might not be the right word.
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Yeah, I was going to say let's throw that by Markham and see what they think about that branding.
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Yeah, so we are now officially because, you know, nba is over, nhl is over, there's only meaningless baseball, which for me is a redundant term.
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We're seeing a lot of very weird sports pillow fighting champions, cornhole tournaments.
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One of my favorites, uh, the papa shot tournament, is on.
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Uh, espn the oat show, um.
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So this is kind of the dry, weary months of summer where most of most of the talk is about trades and other things that are happening in the fall.
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We're all just waiting for football to begin.
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Basically, yeah, we are approaching the time when there's one, two days where there's no sports at all, no major league sports.
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We're approaching that, so we'll keep people posted.
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It's like the Good Friday of the sporting calendar.
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And the quarterback.
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Just to keep people updated, the quarterback, sanders, who Cleveland drafted, has received two speeding tickets in like a week.
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One was for 98 and one was for 111.
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So he just needs to slow down just a bit as he's going to practice it just a little bit.
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Yeah, yeah.
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All right, folks, travelers open.
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I forget who even won it, the golf tournament yesterday.
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It wasn't Scotty Bradley, maybe it wasn't Bradley, I don't know.
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So there you go.
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That's it, folks.
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That's all we got.
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All right, where's the?
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I got to open up my computer to do the great, exciting news.
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Promo-wise, we have a new Pope.
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If you didn't know that, I'm really glad you just came out of your cave.
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Needless to say, we're still excited about it.
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That's why Father Dave sat down with theology professor Shane Owens to talk about all things Pope Leo XIV.
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On the newest episode of In Focus, father Dave and Dr Owens talk about Pope Leo's background as an American, a missionary in Peru, and as an Augustinian.
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A side note there's a great movie out called Paddington in Peru, which doesn't have anything to do with Pope Leo, but it's still a cute movie.
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They also have a great discussion about everything from St Augustine and the ancient church to our current issues with artificial intelligence, but they don't talk about sports, so not sure if it's really that interesting at all.
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Don't miss the latest episode of In Focus on faithandreasoncom.
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That's faithandreasoncom, amen.
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Hey, how come I'm not on?
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Everyone's asking the question, and by everybody it's my mom, and by my mom it's only when I remind her to ask the question, and by my mom it's only when I remind her to ask the question.
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When am I going to be on In Focus?
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Probably not, because you were on the University EW10 show, so we don't, oh I was When's that going to air?
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I?
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don't know.
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Do you know if it has?
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Has it aired?
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Do you know if it has?
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or not.
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I'd like to think they would give me a promo if we had done it.
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I don't know that's.
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Yeah, I don't know either.
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Well, hopefully it'll air soon and when it does, you'll tell your mom.
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You just we'll tell your mom you, I'll tell my mom to remind me, to tell me and ask me, and I'll bring it for her and she can watch it constantly that's, that's, yeah, yeah, that's an absolute.
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So you did you fly out to South Bend or did you drive out there?
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Oh no, I flew and actually I got.
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I got airline shamed, I got stewardess flight attendant shamed.
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You mentioned, I think, last week that you had like the greatest airline experience ever when you flew back from Poland, or something like that, didn't you?
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The flight staff was, so they were just so good.
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Okay, so in the yin and yang of life, Sometimes they can be overbearing and either just ignore you or constantly saying you know you're on, you're on.
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So these people were just great.
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They smiled all the time.
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Yeah, it was fantastic.
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Okay, so it was not your experience.
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I'm going to guess.
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It was not my experience.
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So I'm flying to South Bend, which is a very small airport.
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I'm confident.
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The only reason it exists is for the six times a year that there are Notre Dame games that are here.
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It's a pretty small airplane and we're you know, we get on the plane, I have to go to the bathroom.
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It's like one of those things, like you know, when you kind of have to go to the bathroom but you're like, oh, I don't have to go to the bathroom.
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I remember boarding, so I got on the plane and then we sit on the runway for a half hour.
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Ok, no bueno.
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Then we finally take off.
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Ok, great, and I'm waiting for the seatbelt'm like come on, come on, come on.
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And then they said we're about to start cabin service.
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I'm like, okay, well, if you're starting cabin service, I can go to the bathroom.
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That's what I thought, no turbulence.
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We'd been in the air for a while.
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There's only one bathroom.
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It's in the back of the plane.
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The plane's so small.
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There was like nothing in the back except the bathroom.
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So I get up.
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I'm going to the bathroom Then I hear Attention flyers.
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I don't know what they said.
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They said attention passengers.
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And this is the part I remember.
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They said this seat yeah.
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Yeah, this seatbelt light is still on.
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You must remain in your seats until the seatbelt light has been turned off.
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And I'm thinking okay, well, that's clearly for me because it's a small plane and I'm the only guy that got up and I thought that's a little passive, aggressive, because there's not multiple bathrooms, there's just the one.
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Then it gets worse, Like it went from passive aggressive to just aggressive.
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Then it said and I kid you, not to the passenger that is in the bathroom.
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That's ridiculous.
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We are about to start our cabin service and you will be trapped in the bathroom.
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That's exactly what they said.
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That's the worst what.
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I mean, are you joking me?
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Like you're intentionally saying we're going to trap you in the bathroom, Like we're not going to move our cart for you?
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Chuckles you know, there's only there's only 24 rows on this plane.
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Like are you joking?
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Like I'm going to get out of the bathroom and they're going to be like, well, we're not rolling this cart back to roll 11, buddy.
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Like you're going to just I hope you like the smell because you're going to enjoy your stay in there.
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And ha ha, I don't have a sense of smell.
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I was genetically designed to survive torture chambers like this.
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Thankfully, I just finished going to the bathroom and I went back to my seat and it was another five minutes before they came out.
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And that's right, they were trying to deal with the trauma of it all.
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It was really weird.
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I wanted I so badly, I wanted to yell from the bathroom my name is bob.
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I have a name.
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It's the worst.
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I'm not just a passenger.
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