Feb. 5, 2025

Trump and Gaza

Trump and Gaza

A discussion about President Trump’s Gaza proposal.

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A discussion about President Trump’s Gaza proposal.

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Looking at our world from a theological perspective. This is

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the Theology Central podcast, making Theology Central.

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Oh boy, man, man, man, man, man, No, No, what

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is happening, ladies and gentlemen, What is going on.

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In our world? What is happening? Do you have the

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feeling that everything is unraveling? Do you have a feeling

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everything is falling apart? Maybe you're one of these individuals going, yes,

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finally the world is being fixed. All of our problems

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are being resolved. We got exactly what we wanted. This

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is great. It's a golden era. The new era has

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entered all the problem. Maybe you are one celebrating right now.

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I'm sitting here looking at what's happening in the world,

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and all I can just I mean, I don't have words.

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Oh no was probably the best I can say. It's like,

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oh no, It's like no, no, no. And every time

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I see another news article, I'm just like, what is happening?

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What has happened? This cannot be happening. But this is

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what a lot of people wanted. I guess, I guess

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this is what a lot of people voted for. So

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I guess what I'm going to try to do is

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talk about it. We'll do that right after I welcome everyone.

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Good afternoon everyone. It is Wednesday, February the fifth, twenty

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twenty five. It is currently twelve six pm Central time,

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and I'm coming to you live from the Theology Central

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Studio located right here in Abilene, Texas. Now, I don't

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know if you've been, If you haven't been paying attention

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to the news, that's probably a good thing at this point.

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If you pay attention to the news, you may start

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losing your ever living mind. But I have to kind

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of encourage you. You do need to kind of keep

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up with what's going on in the world, because it's

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really unsettling right now. If you go to I'll just

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give you if you go to I've got so many

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news articles open here. If you go to let me

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see here. If you go to the Drudge Report, drug Report,

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drug Report dot com, drug Report dot com. Well, they've

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changed a lot of this. They've changed a lot of this,

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And basically, how can I even say this? It sounds crazy.

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President Trump has basically suggested that, I don't know, the

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United States of America just takes over Gaza and we

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just move out like what. At one point, too I

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don't know the exact number, over a million people. We're

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just like, hey, hey, we're taking over. You all have

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to go somewhere else. You got to go to different countries,

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the Palestinian, you have to leave. America is taking over Gaza.

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And I'm like, this cannot be real. It's just crazy.

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And not only that, now there's discussion about a new

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temple on the Temple Mount. Wait, what is happening Now?

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We kind of got biblical prophecy possibly coming into play.

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I just got a breaking news. Saudi Arabia rejects Trump's

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Gaza takeover. Oh you think global fury builds? Oh you

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think the scheme is mocked, don't you think? But then

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there's the story of new temple on the Mount. Here's

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a picture of I don't know who this is. There's

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someone who was at the press conference where Trump was

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talking about America taking over Gaza and the person looking

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is looking at Trump and their their eyes are so

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big They're like, what is he suggesting right now? It's insanity.

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But we're gonna try to put this all together. We're

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gonna try to look at all of this well, We're

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not gonna focus on a new Temple on the Temple

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mount right now, that suggestion being put forth where we

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won't get into that story in this broadcast. We're gonna

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talk about Trump's plan for America to take over Gaza,

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oh and using American troops as former military I'm like,

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what is happening? Okay, So, so let's try. I don't

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even know what to say. I don't even know what

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to say. This is the craziest thing I've ever seen

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in my life. Okay, So, but at the same time, here, so,

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here's what I need to do. Here's what I need

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to do. I need to try to address this in

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a rational, reasonable way and any and try to avoid

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wild speculation, try to avoid You don't want to be hyperbolic.

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You don't want to downplay it. You don't want to

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overstate it, But you don't want to understate it. You

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I don't want to. I don't want to let any

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political bias come into play. Right, It doesn't matter if

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you're pro Trump or if you're not for Trump. Right,

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the issue is what do we make of this. I

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know I've already called it crazy, so I guess I've

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already in a sense given a way that I'm not

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necessarily Well, I'm definitely not for this, So I guess

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I'll be transparent, but I do want to be fair. Right,

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Trump did things in his first term that I thought

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were going to be catastrophic or bad, and it didn't

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necessarily turn out exactly the way I thought. So I'm

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not always right when I when I when I react

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to something from a political, geopolitical, cultural perspective. Again, my

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you know, I don't. I don't pretend to have any

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great expertise in that area. I mean, I mean, my

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focus is mainly on theology, right, That's where all of

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my education is, That's where all of my pursuit has been.

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So I can't say I've always gotten everything right, but

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I think my concern has always been valid based on

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multiple factors. But so what I'm going to try to

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do is just try to be as fair as I

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can be about this. What we're going to do is

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we're gonna look at his plan, We're gonna hear some

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how it's being covered around the world. I'm not so

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worried about well, for I think this is important when

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you're paying attention to anything Trump is doing. Anything Trump

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is doing President Trump, anything that he's doing. Please, I

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beg you, for the love of bubble gum, do not

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just listen to Fox News and your conservative little bubble

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to hear them tell you how great everything doing, and

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they defend it, and they defend it, and you got

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to add some other perspectives and you've got to hear

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other challenges to it. And just because he makes the claim,

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I know this is shocking, but he lies a lot,

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and that's been well documented. He puts forth misinformation frequently.

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So challenge it. Research study, dude, and not just listen

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to other conservatives. Do actual research. So I think that's

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very important. But I'm gonna try to be fair here.

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So here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna listen to

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at least our report, and I like listening to how

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people outside of the United States covers things where I

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just don't get a pro American perspective. I want to

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get all perspectives. So we're gonna go to the BBC

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and listen to our report that just dropped a couple

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of hours ago that I don't think they even have

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the new information about Saudi Arabia rejecting Trump's Gaza takeover.

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I mean, I mean everyone's gonna reject it or I mean, okay,

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well nevermind. I won't get into all of my geopolitical

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philosophy here. But so what we're gonna do is listen

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to them. Then we're gonna kind of summarize, look at

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the possible the possible consequences of such a radical plan,

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and then we're gonna look at it from a philological perspective,

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because this is called theology central. So that's what we're

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going to attempt to do. I man, I just I

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don't know what is happening, and this is just I mean,

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there are so many crazy things. But let's listen. Let's

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go to the BBC. This just dropped a couple of

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hours ago. Let's hear how they are reporting on it,

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and then we will we will, We'll break it down

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and summarize everything that's going on.

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There's been widespread condemnation of Donald Trump's plan for the

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US to take over Gaza and move out the Palestinians

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living there so that he can, in his words, turn

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it into the Riviera of the Middle East. Mister Trump

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made the announcement at a joint news conference with the

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Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Nettnia, who saying he thought Jordan

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and Egypt would take in the more than two million

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Palestinians who currently live in Gaza. This despite their previous

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statements refuting the idea. When he first floated it. Last

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month at the White House News Conference, Miss Trump put

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forward his vision for how Gaza, much of which lies

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in ruins, should be rebuilt.

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The only reason the Palestinians want to go back to

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Gaza is they have no alternative. It's right now a

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demolition site. They can live out their lives in peace

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and harmony instead of having to go back and do

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it again. The US will take over the Gaza Strip

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and we will do a job with it too. We'll

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own it and be responsible for dismantling all of the

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dangerous unexploded bombs and other weapons on the site, level

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the site, and get rid of the destroyed buildings.

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Mister Trump's plan to occupy Gaza seems to an amount

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to an abandonment of decades of US policy to find

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a two state solution to the Israeli Palestinian conflict. Mister Natania,

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who praised it, is an idea worth paying attention to,

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calling mister Trump the greatest friend Israel has ever had

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in the White House. But these Palestinians in Gaza said

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they would resist any attempt to remove them.

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Municipala, we reject the decision to displace the Palestinians from Gaza,

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and Palestine will not leave our land. Ask me, I'll

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not leave Gaza. None of us will leave our country

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and will not kneel to anyone.

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I mean, try to run over two million people and

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Trump's like, hey, you just gotta go. Hey, We're just

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gonna take over your land. We're just gonna go and

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we're gonna rebuild it. I thought, all I ever heard

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from Trump's supporters for four years is we got to

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stop getting involved in other conflict. We don't need to

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send all of this money to Ukraine. We don't need

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to do that. And because anything the Biden administration we do,

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we criticize, criticized, criticized, criticize, and now we're like, hey, yeah,

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let's just go take over someone else's land, move out

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two million people, and we will rebuild it and we

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will be responsible for everything, clean up everything, or just

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I mean, what would be the cost? How many trillions

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upon trillions of dollars? I guess I don't know someone

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else is gonna supposedly pay for it, Like what is

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It's about making America great again, this is about make

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Gaza great again. I don't even understand what is happening.

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And of course, if you're a Palestinian, you're like, wait

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a minute, America is just gonna come in and say, hey,

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get out, go go to another country. We own it,

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We own your land. We just you know, yeah, look

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we just we just take it over. And it's just

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it's just ours. I don't even know what to say.

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I'm stumbling over my own words. I don't even know

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what to say. I what I Okay, let's just listen

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to a couple of more responses. I think you know

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how the Palestinians are gonna respond to. I think you

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can see why the Palestinians would be like what, I

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guess we'll get what. We're gonna go in with military

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troops and forcesibly move people off their land and just

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take over and just become an occupying force in Gaza.

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That should make our American troops really safe in the area.

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Italian tram we.

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Were surprised by Trump's decision to displace the entire Gaza

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Strip to Egypt and Jordan, and we categorically reject this decision.

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We refuse to leave Gaza during the war and we

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are staying here. We will not leave at all.

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I got more on the Palestinian and Israeli reaction from

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our Middle East correspondent. Your land.

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Now, of course you can get all. You can understand

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the responses. You can just understand how it's going. Here's

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just kind of a summary, a right. So, on February

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the fourth, twenty twenty five, President Trump, alongside Israeli Prime

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Minister Benjamin net Yahoo, announced ay planned for the United

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States to take over the Gaza Strip. The proposal involved

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relocating approximately Now the BBC's reporting over two million people.

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The number I have here is one point eight million,

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so a lot of people just to relocate approximately one

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point eight million Palestinians currently residing in Gaza to neighboring

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countries such as Egypt and Jordan. Following this relocation, the

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United States tends to develop Gaza and visioning as basically

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a riviera of the Middle East with significant investments and

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infrastructure and economic opportunities. So one point eight million people

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you got to go, and hey, other countries, you gotta

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take one point eight million refugees, one point eight million immigrants.

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You just got to take them now, America. No no, no, no, no,

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no no no. We're going to put up a fence.

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Nobody's coming into our country. But we're going to tell

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other countries that, hey, you get one point eight million

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people just because we're taking over Gaza and we're moving

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these people out. We're not asking them to go. They've

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got to go. Well, what is happening. Here's kind of

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an outline the proposal. Announcements happened an announcement on February

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the fourth, twenty twenty five participants, President President Donald Trump

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and Prime Minister Benjamin Nettnaho. Of course, there was not

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a representative of the Palestinians weren't represented here. They didn't,

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they didn't ask to, They didn't have any other participants

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in this discussion. The location was the White House Press Conference.

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The key here are the key components of the plan.

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A relocation of the Palestinians. Moved got the entire population

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of Gaza to neighboring countries Egypt and Jordan. Aim to

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provide Palestinians with safer and more stable living conditions. I

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guess you could say that's a positive. Hey, guys, we

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want to make it better for you. But again, do

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you get to say do they get a choice, Hey,

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we we want to make things better for you and

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you have to leave, or do we say say we

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want to Does the other countries even have a say

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so in this? I mean it seems like kind of

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a like just we're making the plan and this is

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what we're gonna do. You're not gonna have a discussion

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with the other name. I mean, it just seems like

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very and maybe it's just you know, just because that's

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the way the announcement would make. But you think you

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would have some major discussions with everyone else before you

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made such an announcement. I mean, that's what I would

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That's what I would think, all right. The redevelopment, clear

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existing war debris and unexplode ordinances, invest in infrastructure to

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transform Gaza into our prosperous region, create new economic opportunities

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in housing. That all sounds great. Hey, we're gonna make

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it better, We're gonna build back better, We're gonna make

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it great, We're gonna make it wonderful. I guess is

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the United States doing all of this investment is the

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United States taking He says, it would be our responsibility,

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we would own it. Well, if we own it, then

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it's gonna be a So that means your tax dollars

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and my tax dollars are going to go to rebuild

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Gaza to make it better again. I mean, I mean,

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there's lots of issue here. The rationale behind the plan

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address the current uninhabitable, uninhababital conditions and Gaza. Now, those

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do need to be addressed. Gaza has been just utterly destroyed.

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It's uninhabitable. How can we address that? Okay, that I

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can see at least I can see some of the

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rationale here. Promote regional stability in the Middle East? Now

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will it promote stability? Hey, America came in. America now

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owns Gaza. We moved out one point eight million Palestinians.

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Does that provide stability or does that need to America

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is right there in Gaza. Now, let's basically bring in

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an insurgency and try to kill as many American troops

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and as many American contractors as we can and basically

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create a new call for jihad. I mean, does it which?

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Which way does it go? H offer the Palestinians a

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chance for a better quality of life. Now offering them

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one is one thing. Hey, would you guys like you

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you talk to the other nations Egypt, Jordan, They're like,

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you know what, You're right, we will bring in all

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one country brings in this much of the of the

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one point eight million this country. Everyone's in agreement there,

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they have the infrastructure, they're ready to receive all of

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these immigrants. Okay, if everyone is on board and the

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Palestinians are like, you're right, I want to get out,

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or you just offer it for those who want to leave,

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I don't. It's one thing if you if you're doing

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it that way, but you got to have lots of

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people agreeing to this, and I think the Palestinians should

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have some right to make a decision. But okay. The

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reaction to the proposal uh the international community widespread condemnation,

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labeling the plan as a form of ethnic cleansing, concerns

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over potential violations of international law. I mean, there is

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a thing called law, international law, and some people may

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not like for it to be classified as ethnic cleansing,

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but it is basically, hey, we're cleaning out all of

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these people. All, all of the all the Palestinians, you

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have to go. I guess we're gonna move in non

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Palestinians or do we move in Israelis? Do we move

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in Jews? Do we move in Americans?

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Who?

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Whoo?

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Who?

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Who now takes over? Who gets to live there? Are

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we gonna determine who lives there based off their ethnicity base?

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I mean, like based off their religion? Like there's just

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so many questions here. Neighboring countries Egypt and Jordan have

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rejected the idea of resetting Palestinians within their borders. Hey,

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we're gonna do this, and the other countries are like, no,

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you're not. We're not taking one point eight Maybe the

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United States will except one point eight million Palestinians. I mean, hey,

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I mean if America is going to own it, then

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don't we bring those people that we're going to move

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out to America? I mean, I mean, hey, I mean

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America is so I mean, especially the Trump supporters, they

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love immigration, they love open borders. So do we bring

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in all one point eight million to America? Where do

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they get to? Where do they get to live? Where

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do they get to live? Oh? No, no, no, we

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wouldn't want that, but we want other countries to do

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in other countries like, we're not going to do it.

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So where do the Palestinians go? Listen, I don't even

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know what to say. All right, I'm getting more notifications

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here of other breaking news about all of this. Okay,

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Palestinian leadership strong opposition, yeah, strong opposition emphasizing the right

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of Palestinians to remain in their homeland. No, you can

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get into an argument. Who I mean, people have been

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fighting over that land forever, so they're going to continue

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to fight over the land. I just know this. America

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has no claim to the land that I know to

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be true. You can argue Palestinians Israel who has a

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right to the land. It's not America, Ladies and gentlemen.

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I can tell you that human rights organizations criticism over

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forced displacement and potential human rights violations. I think there

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would be so now. President Trump's proposal represents a significant

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departure from a traditional US policy, which has historically supported

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a two state solution to the Israeli Palestinian conflict. The

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BBC just mentioned that, Okay, I got no problem to

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partying and saying, hey, the two state solution isn't working.

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We got to come up with something else. I'm all

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for that. I'm all for even having these conversations in private,

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right and private? Going? All right, guys, right here we go.

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I got an idea. I know this is a crazy idea.

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I'm going to put on the whiteboard. Let's move out

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one point eight million Palestinians and America takes it over.

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All right, everybody say that's a crazy idea. I know

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it's brainstorming. Okay, what do we need to make this work? Well,

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we got to have a place to put to one

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point eight million Palestinians. All right, Well, let's contact the

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surrounding nations and see if they're willing to take in

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the one point eight million. Are they willing to do it?

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No?

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Okay, Well that I think our plan is falling apart

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before we even get started. Hey, does anyone know if

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the one point eight million Palestinians want to go? No,

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they don't want to go. Huh, Well that may cause

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a problem. So do we do it by force? Well?

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Is there any international laws that could possibly stop this?

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Like you think this would be talked about behind closed doors.

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You don't just announce it out a press conference. America

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is going to take it over? What is happening? The

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plan's emphasis on relocating an entire population raises complex egal ethical,

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and logistical challenges. Don't you think there are some serious

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issues here? The proposal has been met with substantial criticism

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for several reasons. Here's some of the criticisms that have

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been offered. Number one, ethical concerns forcibly relocating a population

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is widely regarded as a violation of human rights and

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could be classified as ethnic cleansing. Now, I want to

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just say right here now again. I say this all

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the time when it comes to Trump. When I say

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this all the time, if you're an atheist, if you're

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an agnostic, then you may be all you don't care

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about trut What if Trump lies? Why would you care?

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Who cares about truth? If Trump spreads misinformation? Who cares?

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If Trump is a bully and as horrible things, you

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don't care. From a Christian perspective, I've always been perplexed

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by Christians are like, yeah, Trump Trump, everything he says

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and does is the antithesis to Christianity. But so for

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some reason it's Christians like he's our savior. I'll never

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understand it. It makes no sense. But okay, I don't say.

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But his policies, even in some of his policies, are

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the antithesis to Christianity in many cases like this. So

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as a Christian, you should be concerned about the ethical

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concerns if I can speak correctly, all right, Because when

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you try to relocate an entire population basically because of

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their ethnicity, because you're Palestinians, you just have to leave,

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you gotta go. We're just removing you completely out. That's

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almost a form of ethnic cleansing. You may not be

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killing all of them, but you're saying you all have

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to leave because of your ethnicity. You you're you're, you're

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the wrong ethnicity you've got, and so we're gonna bring

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someone else in from a different ethnic group. That's come on.

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That's that's this is an ethical issue, and as Christians

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you should be bothered. These are human beings. You may

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not agree with their politics you made out, but they're

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human beings and you just another nation's gonna come in

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and say sorry, you go, all of you one point

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eight million get out. We're taking over. Oh, we're gonna

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build it. We're gonna build it back better. We're gonna

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make it like the Riviera. This is gonna have I

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don't know. Are we gonna have casinos and and resorts

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and it's gonna be Do they all have Trump's name

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on them? Legal challenges, So there's the ethical concerns. I

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want to keep using the word ethnic versus ethical, but

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ethical concerns. Legal challenges. International law prohibits the force transfer

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for populations, making the plan potentially illegal under treaties which

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the US are a part of. We're a part of

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treaties that say you cannot do this. But according to

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who cares about international law, let's just do it. What

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are you talking about? What again? I got no problem

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in private going. So what do you think? What do

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you think? What do you think about this? What are

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our issues? What are the ethical concerns? What are the

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legal concerns? Let's work this, let's you don't announce it

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at a press conference. Feasibility issues, just how feasible is this? Well,

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neighboring countries have expressed unwillingness to accept large numbers of

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Palestinian refuge, complicating the relocation aspect of the plan. Yeah,

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you've got to have other countries that are willing to

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take in somewhere between one point eight to two million Palestinians. Now,

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if the United States wants to do this, then I

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get you. We could go through and talk to the Palestinians.

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Go me, have you ever wanted to come to America?

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Since we're gonna take your land, We're gonna let you

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come to our land. Oh. I can just see Trump

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supporters loving that idea. How about the potential for increase instability?

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The forced displacement of Palestinians could lead to heightened tensions,

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do you think and conflict in the region. Do you

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think undermining the stated goal of promoting stability. Well, the

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proposal aims to address dire situations and GOSAM promote regional stability.

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It faces significant moral, legal, and practical obstacles and make

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its implementation highly contentious and potentially detrimental to the prospects

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of peace in the Middle East. And so I wanted

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to verify. I wanted to verify because I'd seen some

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reports that Trump President Trump want to involve United States military,

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which of course I took great like, wait, what the

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United States military is going to go in and do this?

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The United States military. So we're gonna be sending all

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of our good portion or I don't know how many.

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I'm not going to say all a large, a significant

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amount of military to go occupy Gaza. But nobody wanted

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us to get involved in the Ukrainian situation, like I

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mean I so I had to ask Ai this, and

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Ai said. President Trump has indicated that US military involvement

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could be part of his plan to take over and

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redevelop the Gaza Strip, and a press conference with Israeli

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Prime Minister Benjamin Netnyanhu on February the fourth, twenty twenty five,

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Trump proposed relocating the Palestinian population from Gaza to neighboring

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countries and suggested that the United States would assume control

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of the territory for redevelopment purposes. Well, I think he

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said we would own it. I don't think he just

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says we would take control. We would own it, all

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right when because we just heard part of the clip

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just a little while ago. When asked about the potential

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deployment of American troops to support the initiative, Trump did

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not rule out the possibility, stating, if it's necessary, we

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will do that. The proposal has been met with significant

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criticisms and concerns from various international actors, including US alli

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such Is, Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia. Critics argue that forcibly

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relocating Gaza's residents, involving US military forces could violate international

463
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law and basically destabilize the Middle East. And I've got

464
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lots of sources here for all of that. So then

465
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I was like, so, what could be the concept if

466
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you involve the United States military? What could be the

467
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consequences of this? Well, number one, you have military and

468
00:28:49.759 --> 00:28:54.359
geopolitical consequences. And what could some of these military and

469
00:28:54.839 --> 00:28:58.200
geopolitical consequences be. Well, I think the first one is obvious,

470
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an escalation of conflict, right, A US military presence in

471
00:29:02.680 --> 00:29:07.519
Gaza could provoke arm resistance from Palestinian factions like Hamas

472
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and other militia groups, leading to a prolonged conflict, similar

473
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to past US occupations in Iraq and Afghanistan. And I

474
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was in the military during those occupations, and we do

475
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you want to go back and count how many American

476
00:29:22.039 --> 00:29:25.519
soldiers died in those occupations and we're going to go

477
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occupy Gaza. Now, not only would you have Hamas, what

478
00:29:34.279 --> 00:29:38.599
about Iran and Hesbola. You got Hamas, who is not

479
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gonna be happy? How about Iran and Hesbola. Iran, which

480
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supports Hamas, could see this as an act of aggression

481
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in escale military or proxy conflicts against US interests and

482
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the region potentially involving Hesbela and Lebanon. So you'd have Hamas,

483
00:29:54.119 --> 00:29:57.599
you'd have Hesbela, you'd have other groups who would be like,

484
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what is happening America? Trying to put their presence here

485
00:30:02.799 --> 00:30:06.920
it I mean you just, oh man, what would even happen?

486
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You would increase tensions with regional powers. Countries like Egypt, Jordan,

487
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and Saudi Arabia would likely condemn US military action, potentially

488
00:30:15.440 --> 00:30:19.640
straining diplomatic and economic relations. Yeah do you think do

489
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you think? Oh wait, oh yeah, oh well we could

490
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get I could get into some of the possible economic issues,

491
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but I won't go into all of that. But guess

492
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what else would happen? I guarantee you now this part.

493
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I'm pretty confident on it. Right you may well. I

494
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agree Hamas and Hesbealah is not going to be happy.

495
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I definitely agree Iran is not going to be happy.

496
00:30:40.839 --> 00:30:42.720
I definitely agree some of those other nations are not

497
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going to be happy that I think I'm pretty certain

498
00:30:45.279 --> 00:30:48.039
on but I think you can just absolutely know that

499
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it's going to be a terrorist recruitment bonanza. Recruitment for

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terrorists would surge dramatically. US military intervention could be used

501
00:31:00.759 --> 00:31:04.519
as a rallying cry for extremist groups, leading to increase

502
00:31:04.640 --> 00:31:09.000
recruitment for ices for Al Qaeda, similar to what happened

503
00:31:09.000 --> 00:31:12.039
after the Iraqi vasion. We go there, we move out

504
00:31:12.400 --> 00:31:17.119
a million, almost two million Palestinians, we take over Gaza.

505
00:31:17.880 --> 00:31:21.000
I mean, it's gonna be it's a recruitment poster for

506
00:31:21.200 --> 00:31:25.640
all those terrorist organizations. It screams to them, they're coming

507
00:31:25.680 --> 00:31:28.440
to take your land, They're coming to destroy your way

508
00:31:28.480 --> 00:31:31.279
of life. Fight now. I mean, you can write the

509
00:31:31.359 --> 00:31:36.000
recruitment poster for them. So those would be some of

510
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the military and geopolitical consequences of a United States military

511
00:31:39.680 --> 00:31:44.240
being involved in this. Then you have legal and ethical concerns,

512
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which you have legal and ethical concerns about the entire

513
00:31:46.720 --> 00:31:51.319
idea from the start. It's a violation of international law.

514
00:31:51.559 --> 00:31:54.519
Forcibly removing a civilian population and taking control of a

515
00:31:54.559 --> 00:31:58.440
foreign territory would likely be considered illegal under international law,

516
00:31:58.680 --> 00:32:09.279
including the Geneva Convention, which we are part of. You

517
00:32:09.359 --> 00:32:14.160
could then be accused of war crimes. Civilian casualties if

518
00:32:14.200 --> 00:32:18.079
anyone starts dying would be almost inevitable. Most people think

519
00:32:18.119 --> 00:32:21.440
it would be inevitable, and any military action leading to

520
00:32:21.480 --> 00:32:24.799
potential accusations of war crimes and human rights violations against

521
00:32:24.799 --> 00:32:28.400
the US, we could be guilty of war crimes. Now.

522
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I think in many cases what we did in a

523
00:32:31.000 --> 00:32:33.839
Rock when we accused them of having weapons of mass destruction,

524
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we went in and all those civilians died, I think

525
00:32:36.759 --> 00:32:38.599
it was war crimes right there. I mean, I already

526
00:32:38.599 --> 00:32:41.640
think America has already been guilty of this in the past.

527
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We had no business going into invading a Rock in

528
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two thousand and three, after September of the eleventh, two

529
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thousand and one, and the next thing we were like,

530
00:32:50.799 --> 00:32:53.279
we're going into Afghanistan to get al Qaeda, And next thing,

531
00:32:53.319 --> 00:32:55.960
you know, we're going into a rock because they supposedly

532
00:32:55.960 --> 00:32:59.400
have weapons of mass destruction that any reasonable person, I mean,

533
00:32:59.440 --> 00:33:02.000
I got my self in trouble in the military, yelling

534
00:33:02.000 --> 00:33:06.079
and screaming during a briefing, going there's no weapons there.

535
00:33:06.240 --> 00:33:11.640
This is ridiculous. Okay, give me a break. Well, guess what,

536
00:33:13.160 --> 00:33:15.240
we went in and we killed a lot of people,

537
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and I think that right there. But if we go

538
00:33:17.920 --> 00:33:20.400
in and we just move out one point eight million

539
00:33:20.759 --> 00:33:24.559
Palestinians and take over, and if in the process there's

540
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any conflict where civilians die, I mean, come on, at

541
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the very minimum, it's not ethical. It's not right, even

542
00:33:33.359 --> 00:33:35.079
if you don't want to say it rises to the

543
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level of a war crime. The impact on the Palestinian population,

544
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the forced displacement of millions of Palestinians would likely be

545
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seen as ethnic cleansing, further damaging US credibility and moral

546
00:33:48.000 --> 00:33:50.720
standing on the world stage. We would have I don't

547
00:33:50.759 --> 00:33:53.440
even think we have any moral standing as it is.

548
00:33:56.240 --> 00:34:01.039
So those would be the military and geopolitical consequences. Those

549
00:34:01.039 --> 00:34:06.640
would be the legal and ethical issues. How about domestic

550
00:34:07.880 --> 00:34:12.679
political and economic impact. What would be the domestic political

551
00:34:12.760 --> 00:34:16.960
and economic impact of American troops getting involved in this situation? Well,

552
00:34:17.039 --> 00:34:22.039
there would be political backlash in the US. Many Americans,

553
00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:26.280
including politicians from both parties, would likely oppose another Middle

554
00:34:26.280 --> 00:34:29.639
Eastern military intervention. Due to the long and costly wars

555
00:34:29.639 --> 00:34:32.599
in Iraq and Afghanistan. Go look up how much money

556
00:34:32.800 --> 00:34:35.519
we spent in Iraq and Afghanistan. Go look up how

557
00:34:35.559 --> 00:34:41.840
much money we spent. And we're going to do the

558
00:34:41.880 --> 00:34:48.519
same thing again. Another domestic political and economic thing to

559
00:34:48.599 --> 00:34:54.239
consider is the financial cost military operations, nation building, and

560
00:34:54.360 --> 00:35:00.480
long term occupation would require billions, if not trillions. I said, true, billions.

561
00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:03.920
I think it's trillions. I don't think it would be billions.

562
00:35:03.960 --> 00:35:06.360
I think it would be trillions, but okay, I'm willing

563
00:35:06.360 --> 00:35:10.480
to go and say possibly billions, and it would be

564
00:35:10.559 --> 00:35:16.880
taxpayer money. This would only lead to increasing our deficit,

565
00:35:17.599 --> 00:35:21.679
hurting our economy, and taxpayers would spend all of this

566
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money to make Gaza great again, I guess and not

567
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I mean I it's I am just wrapping my mind

568
00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:33.280
around this. And of course, you know what this is

569
00:35:33.320 --> 00:35:40.559
going to increase. It's gonna increase domestic terrorist threats. People

570
00:35:40.719 --> 00:35:42.800
in the Middle East are gonna want retaliation and they're

571
00:35:42.800 --> 00:35:45.280
going to attack US interest at home here in the

572
00:35:45.400 --> 00:35:48.679
United States abroad and could increase, leading to heightened security

573
00:35:48.679 --> 00:35:52.280
concerns and possible terrorist incidents right here on American soil.

574
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They're gonna be like you came here, you got rid

575
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of over two million people you took over, but then

576
00:35:58.000 --> 00:36:00.639
we're gonna come there and we're gonna strike terror In

577
00:36:00.679 --> 00:36:02.800
the United States of America, you can't say that we

578
00:36:02.840 --> 00:36:12.440
would not be a grave concern. So if the US

579
00:36:12.519 --> 00:36:15.880
military gets involved, we have the military and geopolitical consequences,

580
00:36:15.880 --> 00:36:19.920
we have legal and ethical issues, we have domestic political

581
00:36:19.960 --> 00:36:23.519
and economic impact, and we have global standing and diplomatic fallout.

582
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Traditional US allies, including NATO countries and European nations, would

583
00:36:28.440 --> 00:36:32.760
likely oppose this move, weakening alliances and international cooperation US

584
00:36:32.840 --> 00:36:36.559
sanctions or condemnations. The US could face resolutions condemning its

585
00:36:36.639 --> 00:36:40.519
actions at the United Nations, politically leading to sanctions or

586
00:36:40.519 --> 00:36:45.400
diplomatic local isolation. They could play sanctions against the United States.

587
00:36:53.920 --> 00:37:01.480
As AI summarized, this US military intervention in Kaza would

588
00:37:01.480 --> 00:37:05.119
almost certainly lead to our prolonged conflict, international condemnation, and

589
00:37:05.199 --> 00:37:11.360
significant geopolitical instability. The risk far out weigh any perceived benefit.

590
00:37:11.679 --> 00:37:15.559
Such an action would likely create more problems than it

591
00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:21.000
would solve, further entrenching animosity in the region for generations

592
00:37:21.039 --> 00:37:25.239
to come, which it definitely would. And just remember typically

593
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in that part of the world, they may not be

594
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able to strike immediately, they may not even be able

595
00:37:29.920 --> 00:37:33.639
to strike tomorrow, but sooner or later the Toa's terrorist

596
00:37:33.760 --> 00:37:38.280
organizations will strike. And we saw that September the eleventh,

597
00:37:38.320 --> 00:37:41.320
two thousand and one. And you can many cases lead

598
00:37:41.400 --> 00:37:44.760
to take that all the way back to our involvement

599
00:37:46.000 --> 00:37:49.480
when Iraq invated Kuwait and we decided to get in.

600
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We could go all the way back to how that

601
00:37:51.199 --> 00:37:54.480
all played out. Right, Osama bin Lauden wanted to take

602
00:37:54.519 --> 00:37:56.639
care of the problem himself and say, hey, this is

603
00:37:56.679 --> 00:37:58.920
like a this is an Islamic, this is a Muslim,

604
00:37:58.960 --> 00:38:01.960
this is our problem. Let us take care of Saddam Hussein.

605
00:38:02.199 --> 00:38:05.079
Let us take care of this. We will solve this.

606
00:38:05.360 --> 00:38:07.840
We will get a rock to go back, we will

607
00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:10.000
get them out of Kuwait, like they wanted to solve

608
00:38:10.039 --> 00:38:12.400
the problem themselves. The next thing, you know, American troops

609
00:38:12.440 --> 00:38:15.960
are there, and that created then the call for jihad

610
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against America because the Great Satan had now placed our

611
00:38:20.280 --> 00:38:26.599
you know, corruption, our corrupt, our corrupt presence on Islamic soil,

612
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and so that created all the problems which they now.

613
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It took a long time to go from desert storm

614
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to September the eleventh, two thousand and one. But it

615
00:38:34.079 --> 00:38:37.079
was ultimately that was that was a that would put

616
00:38:37.079 --> 00:38:41.760
it this way, a major contributing factor to what led

617
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to it took a long time. So if we go

618
00:38:44.280 --> 00:38:46.920
do this, I'm not saying anything would happen immediately, but

619
00:38:47.000 --> 00:38:51.519
you're creating again the animosity and the climate for what

620
00:38:51.679 --> 00:38:54.239
retaliation that may come much later, but it's it would

621
00:38:54.280 --> 00:39:00.159
be coming unless it could be stopped. Not even we're

622
00:39:00.199 --> 00:39:03.159
not even talking about all the other disruption and chaos

623
00:39:03.159 --> 00:39:05.719
that can ensue. So how do we look at this

624
00:39:06.400 --> 00:39:08.880
from a biblical and theological perspective? How do we look

625
00:39:08.880 --> 00:39:14.079
at all of this from a biblical and theological perspective? Right,

626
00:39:14.159 --> 00:39:16.920
your friends are going to be yelling and talking about it. Basically,

627
00:39:16.960 --> 00:39:18.960
what I have seen is, if you're a Trump supporter,

628
00:39:19.159 --> 00:39:21.880
this is brilliant, This is great. About time we move

629
00:39:21.920 --> 00:39:24.639
out those Palestinians. This is the right thing, because you know,

630
00:39:24.719 --> 00:39:27.480
Trump is God and he can't do anything wrong, and

631
00:39:27.599 --> 00:39:29.679
so and you can't have any reason. And even if

632
00:39:29.719 --> 00:39:32.360
Trump says things about the situation that are not even accurate,

633
00:39:32.519 --> 00:39:35.280
you can't have a rational conversation. Because many of the

634
00:39:35.400 --> 00:39:39.199
MAGA supporters it's it's impossible to have a communication with

635
00:39:39.280 --> 00:39:41.599
them because they're not willing to look at any facts.

636
00:39:41.599 --> 00:39:47.400
Any facts that go against Trump's words is considered fake news,

637
00:39:47.480 --> 00:39:50.719
even if they're factually even if Trump's words are factually

638
00:39:50.760 --> 00:39:53.639
in airor it's it's the most maden I've never seen.

639
00:39:53.719 --> 00:39:56.199
It's so cult like, it's not even it's it just

640
00:39:56.280 --> 00:39:58.840
drives me crazy. So I don't even know how to

641
00:39:58.920 --> 00:40:03.880
deal with that. So, but you can argue with them

642
00:40:03.920 --> 00:40:07.239
about facts, you can argue with them about politics, if

643
00:40:07.239 --> 00:40:09.199
you want to engage in that. To me, it's meaningless.

644
00:40:09.199 --> 00:40:12.480
I'd rather I'd rather, you know, just ran my head

645
00:40:12.519 --> 00:40:14.920
into a side of a brick wall then have too

646
00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:18.719
many prolonged conversations with Trump supporters, because it's it's it

647
00:40:18.760 --> 00:40:22.159
becomes maddening. It really becomes sad that they just are

648
00:40:22.280 --> 00:40:25.800
so will not deal with how to approach these subjects

649
00:40:25.880 --> 00:40:30.280
from a fact based situation. So I don't really want

650
00:40:30.320 --> 00:40:34.880
to even engage that. But those MAGA supporters who claim

651
00:40:34.920 --> 00:40:38.519
to be Christians, though, that's where I always just get

652
00:40:38.559 --> 00:40:42.000
confused by, like you're supporting that, what are you doing? Like?

653
00:40:42.159 --> 00:40:45.800
And it's just crazy sometimes. But so I just wanted

654
00:40:45.800 --> 00:40:47.079
to try to say, hey, look, if you claim to

655
00:40:47.079 --> 00:40:49.440
be a Christian, if you're if you're maga, if you're

656
00:40:49.480 --> 00:40:51.920
all pro Trump, great, I don't care. I don't want

657
00:40:51.920 --> 00:40:54.000
to know. I don't care about your red hat, I

658
00:40:54.000 --> 00:40:57.760
don't care about all of your politics. I do care

659
00:40:57.840 --> 00:41:01.239
that you claim to be a Christian. So how do

660
00:41:01.280 --> 00:41:07.440
we look at this from a Christian perspective? Well, let's

661
00:41:07.440 --> 00:41:12.320
talk about the ethics of war and military force. Now,

662
00:41:12.400 --> 00:41:14.800
I understand what I'm getting ready to put forth here

663
00:41:15.079 --> 00:41:17.480
is going to go against most of you and the

664
00:41:17.599 --> 00:41:20.840
churches you go to. But I am very much a

665
00:41:21.000 --> 00:41:24.840
supporter of the just war theory that was put forth

666
00:41:24.920 --> 00:41:30.119
by Augustine and Thomas Aquinas and others throughout church history.

667
00:41:30.400 --> 00:41:34.039
The just war theory, the just war doctrine was very

668
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much the Christian way of thinking about war for a

669
00:41:37.519 --> 00:41:39.840
long time. Now, by the time I, you know, when

670
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I come into Christianity, obviously way after Augustine, way after

671
00:41:42.920 --> 00:41:48.480
Thomas Aquinas, I found that Christians didn't really believe in

672
00:41:48.519 --> 00:41:52.480
the just war theory. There there there there are ethics

673
00:41:52.480 --> 00:41:55.920
on war. Was like America is right no matter who

674
00:41:56.000 --> 00:41:58.960
we bomb, no matter who we kill, no matter who

675
00:41:59.000 --> 00:42:02.039
we invade. We're the good guys, and everyone is as

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00:42:02.119 --> 00:42:04.559
the bad guy. We want to drop a nuclear weapon

677
00:42:04.559 --> 00:42:09.159
on a civilian, a population, so be it. We're right America, America.

678
00:42:09.360 --> 00:42:14.039
They were more nationalistic than philological. It was more pro

679
00:42:14.199 --> 00:42:18.079
America than it was pro God. It was very I

680
00:42:18.159 --> 00:42:21.960
started realizing, Man, I don't think American Christians even know

681
00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:24.760
what the just worth doctrine is. I don't even know

682
00:42:24.800 --> 00:42:28.840
if they. I've talked about it so many times, countless

683
00:42:28.880 --> 00:42:33.079
times that from a Christian perspective, we have to have

684
00:42:33.159 --> 00:42:37.159
a Christian framework and which to determine when military action

685
00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:39.440
is justified, when it is not, when it is right,

686
00:42:39.480 --> 00:42:42.519
when it is just, when it is wrong. It's not

687
00:42:42.639 --> 00:42:45.840
always easy, but at least we would have a formula

688
00:42:46.000 --> 00:42:51.320
and which to argue, don't this nationalistic wave the American

689
00:42:51.360 --> 00:42:54.599
flag and America is always right is the most ridiculous

690
00:42:54.639 --> 00:42:57.760
thing I've ever seen in my life from a Christian perspective.

691
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So let's look at this from the just war theory.

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Throughout Church history Christian history, the concept of just war

693
00:43:06.960 --> 00:43:09.920
theory or just war doctrine has been developed primarily by

694
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theologians like Augustine and Thomas Aquanas. As I said, the

695
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Bible does not explicitly outline a formal theory of war,

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many believe principles can be drawn from it. So what

697
00:43:20.440 --> 00:43:22.920
Augustine and others did. They went to the Bible and

698
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tried to draw principles of war that could be applied

699
00:43:26.920 --> 00:43:30.639
and then would give Christians a philological framework to go, Okay,

700
00:43:30.920 --> 00:43:34.679
here's this conflict, how do we look at it? And

701
00:43:34.800 --> 00:43:39.599
of course it was developed not with America in mind. Okay,

702
00:43:40.039 --> 00:43:44.199
Augustine wasn't thinking about America. Thomas Aquanas wasn't thinking about

703
00:43:44.239 --> 00:43:48.760
America for obvious reasons. So just war is not just

704
00:43:48.840 --> 00:43:51.280
make sure, some Christians want to take just war doctrine

705
00:43:51.320 --> 00:43:54.039
and still make it about It's not about America. I

706
00:43:54.159 --> 00:43:58.400
know it's a shock to people. It's not about America.

707
00:43:58.519 --> 00:44:03.360
So let's start with the idea of just cause. Typically,

708
00:44:03.679 --> 00:44:07.239
this is understood that war should only be waged to

709
00:44:07.400 --> 00:44:17.000
prevent grave in justice. The proposed displacement of an entire

710
00:44:17.119 --> 00:44:22.159
population of all the Palestinians would probably not meet the

711
00:44:22.199 --> 00:44:26.000
criteria of just war. It probably would not. In fact,

712
00:44:26.039 --> 00:44:29.559
I don't think it would even come close. So right there,

713
00:44:29.760 --> 00:44:34.519
we just want to forcibly move about two million people

714
00:44:34.599 --> 00:44:38.840
out of their land because of their ethnicity, because they're Palestinians.

715
00:44:39.079 --> 00:44:41.679
I don't think there's anything just about any of that.

716
00:44:46.159 --> 00:44:48.320
So just war theory would talk about a just cost.

717
00:44:48.440 --> 00:44:52.679
How about legitimate authority. War should be declared by a

718
00:44:52.840 --> 00:44:57.320
lawful authority, but international law and the sovereignty of nations

719
00:44:57.559 --> 00:45:01.840
should also be respected. And US war theory, do we

720
00:45:01.880 --> 00:45:05.119
have the authority to do this? Do we not respect

721
00:45:05.159 --> 00:45:12.000
the sovereignty of other nations? How about international law? Do

722
00:45:12.079 --> 00:45:23.719
we not have to care about international law? How about proportionality?

723
00:45:23.760 --> 00:45:27.679
Typically in just war the response must be proportionate to

724
00:45:27.800 --> 00:45:35.000
the threat, and occupation and forced removal of an entire

725
00:45:35.079 --> 00:45:49.159
population would far exceed any immediate security concern. So does

726
00:45:49.199 --> 00:45:53.400
it meet just cause? I don't think so. Legitimate authority

727
00:45:53.599 --> 00:45:56.840
don't think so. Proportionality I don't think so. It's already

728
00:45:56.880 --> 00:45:59.559
starting to fall fail when you look at it from

729
00:45:59.559 --> 00:46:03.239
a just warspective. How about last resort? That's typically a

730
00:46:03.440 --> 00:46:06.880
just war concept. All peaceful means must be exhausted before

731
00:46:06.960 --> 00:46:12.440
war is justified. Diplomacy, negotiation, and humanitarian efforts should be

732
00:46:12.480 --> 00:46:16.599
prioritized over military intervention. Now some may say, well, This

733
00:46:17.280 --> 00:46:21.119
issue with God, with Gaza, with the Palestinians and Israel

734
00:46:21.199 --> 00:46:23.400
has been going on forever, so maybe this is the

735
00:46:23.480 --> 00:46:26.360
last resort. Some may try to argue this does meet

736
00:46:26.400 --> 00:46:30.239
the just war criteria, but us taking over Gaza does

737
00:46:30.280 --> 00:46:35.079
it really fix the problem. Because the Palestinians and Hamas

738
00:46:35.239 --> 00:46:38.880
and Hezbollah and all these groups who hate Israel, all

739
00:46:38.920 --> 00:46:42.000
these Islamic countries who don't believe Israel should exist, they

740
00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:45.000
don't just simply go, well, America moved into Gaza, We're

741
00:46:45.039 --> 00:46:49.360
good with Israel now unless now we say we own

742
00:46:49.400 --> 00:46:53.119
Gaza and now we own the responsibility to protect Israel.

743
00:46:53.239 --> 00:46:57.800
Are we going to go all in that way and

744
00:46:58.079 --> 00:47:00.719
we just we're just going to take up permanent residents

745
00:47:00.920 --> 00:47:04.280
and Gaza as the United States military and just become

746
00:47:04.320 --> 00:47:10.840
responsible for that entire region. How many? I mean, there's

747
00:47:10.840 --> 00:47:14.800
a lot there to be talked about. A force takeover

748
00:47:14.840 --> 00:47:17.039
at Gaza and the removal of its people could be

749
00:47:17.079 --> 00:47:19.360
seen as an aggressive war rather than a just war,

750
00:47:19.599 --> 00:47:22.840
making it difficult to reconcile with Biblical ethics. If you

751
00:47:22.920 --> 00:47:25.360
go with the just war doctrine, I know many of

752
00:47:25.360 --> 00:47:28.039
you do not. You're going to go with the Trump

753
00:47:28.360 --> 00:47:31.079
doctrine of war or the bush doctrine of war. And

754
00:47:31.119 --> 00:47:35.639
I've never understood Christians who surrender their ethical and biblical

755
00:47:35.719 --> 00:47:39.400
view to politicians who clearly, many cases, are operating from

756
00:47:39.440 --> 00:47:46.440
a completely contrary biblical view. All right, so how about

757
00:47:46.480 --> 00:47:48.480
when we also talk about just war, we talk about

758
00:47:48.559 --> 00:47:52.000
human dignity and the image of God. All humans are

759
00:47:52.079 --> 00:47:54.880
created in the image of God. That's a basic premise

760
00:47:54.960 --> 00:48:00.880
of Christianity, right, I need you to understand this. Listinian

761
00:48:01.000 --> 00:48:10.519
people are created in the image of God. Those and

762
00:48:10.639 --> 00:48:14.840
Iran those in China. They are created in the image

763
00:48:14.880 --> 00:48:20.559
of God. They are not a political problem to be destroyed.

764
00:48:20.840 --> 00:48:24.199
They're not a problem just to be removed. They're human

765
00:48:24.320 --> 00:48:28.079
beings created in the image of God with an eternal soul.

766
00:48:28.320 --> 00:48:31.280
We can't just sometimes it's just weird how when Christians

767
00:48:31.280 --> 00:48:34.280
talk about these issues, it's usually Christian man. I say

768
00:48:34.280 --> 00:48:35.760
it all the time. God, I got so sick of

769
00:48:35.800 --> 00:48:37.920
hearing Christian men talk about it. We just need to

770
00:48:37.960 --> 00:48:40.440
turn that whole place into a parking lot. It's like

771
00:48:40.679 --> 00:48:44.280
you're talking about what annihilating all of the humans there,

772
00:48:44.320 --> 00:48:47.039
just killing them all. Yeah, thank you for being such

773
00:48:47.079 --> 00:48:50.000
a good Christian man. Oh just ticks me off when

774
00:48:50.039 --> 00:48:53.159
I hear Christian men talk that way. Nothing Christian about it. Now,

775
00:48:53.199 --> 00:48:56.000
if you're an atheist or an agnostic, then by all means,

776
00:48:56.280 --> 00:48:58.559
wipe them off the face of the earth, blow them off,

777
00:48:58.679 --> 00:49:03.079
just destroy every thing, take over. I understand it's survival

778
00:49:03.119 --> 00:49:05.400
of the fittest, it's those who have the most power. Yeah,

779
00:49:05.440 --> 00:49:08.760
I can understand that ethical framework. But Christians resplect. Wait

780
00:49:08.800 --> 00:49:11.800
a minute, those are human beings creating the image of

781
00:49:11.800 --> 00:49:14.199
God who have an eternal soul that will either go

782
00:49:14.239 --> 00:49:17.239
to Heaven or suffer for eternity in hell. That's a

783
00:49:17.400 --> 00:49:24.360
major ethical issue when dealing with these problems. We supposedly

784
00:49:24.400 --> 00:49:29.480
believe that, according to genusis that humans that all humans.

785
00:49:31.079 --> 00:49:34.960
We supposedly believe that the Book of Genesis teaches that

786
00:49:35.000 --> 00:49:37.679
all humans, including Palestinians, are creating the image of God.

787
00:49:38.119 --> 00:49:41.519
The force removal of people from their homeland. Does it

788
00:49:41.599 --> 00:49:46.000
not violate maybe some God given dignity, basic human rights?

789
00:49:46.079 --> 00:49:49.119
Do we believe people have human rights given to them

790
00:49:49.119 --> 00:49:52.119
by God? Or do we not believe in human rights?

791
00:49:52.159 --> 00:50:00.519
Do we not believe in God given dignity? And Deuteronomy ten,

792
00:50:00.960 --> 00:50:05.079
God commended Israel to care for the vulnerable, including the

793
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sojourner and the oppressed. God commended Israel in Exodus twenty two.

794
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You shall not wrong a sojourner or oppress him, for

795
00:50:15.760 --> 00:50:21.800
you were sojourners in the land of Egypt. Proverbs thirty

796
00:50:21.840 --> 00:50:23.960
one tells us open our mouth for the mute, for

797
00:50:23.960 --> 00:50:27.559
the rights of all who are destitute. Do we not

798
00:50:27.679 --> 00:50:29.559
have to care for people? Do we not have to

799
00:50:29.719 --> 00:50:32.960
show some concern, some love? So should that not be

800
00:50:33.000 --> 00:50:35.840
an ethical concern for Christians? Wait? How do we handle

801
00:50:35.840 --> 00:50:40.960
this from a humanitarian perspective? How do we deal with this? Now?

802
00:50:41.000 --> 00:50:43.639
We also have to, at the same time, see those

803
00:50:43.719 --> 00:50:47.559
within Israel who were killed and slaughtered on October the seventh.

804
00:50:47.719 --> 00:50:50.239
Those are human beings creating the image of God. At

805
00:50:50.280 --> 00:50:52.159
the same time, we got to be concerned about that.

806
00:50:52.440 --> 00:50:55.199
How do you work this out? Again? Removing all of

807
00:50:55.199 --> 00:51:00.559
them from Gaza? Does it make Israel safer? It does?

808
00:51:01.320 --> 00:51:05.719
Or does it only spark more outrage and more conflict

809
00:51:05.719 --> 00:51:13.559
where more people die. A policy of forced displacement contradicts

810
00:51:14.360 --> 00:51:18.960
I think, at least the basic Christian idea. The Biblical

811
00:51:18.960 --> 00:51:22.320
emphasis is always on justice and mercy, not on might

812
00:51:22.440 --> 00:51:25.920
and conquest. Other than in those circumstances, we can't deny

813
00:51:26.000 --> 00:51:30.440
it where God intervenes and tells, hey, go and slaughter everyone,

814
00:51:30.599 --> 00:51:33.119
and those are very disturbing passages. But you know, we

815
00:51:33.519 --> 00:51:38.840
would have to process that those are definitely descriptive, not prescriptive. Okay.

816
00:51:40.480 --> 00:51:42.840
I think we would also from a biblical perspective, have

817
00:51:42.880 --> 00:51:45.960
to talk about the role of nations and God's sovereignty.

818
00:51:46.480 --> 00:51:48.199
How do we understand this.

819
00:51:49.840 --> 00:51:49.960
Now?

820
00:51:50.000 --> 00:51:58.280
I think this is very important because many Christians, especially

821
00:51:59.599 --> 00:52:05.880
under the Trump administration, this Christian national nationalism and this

822
00:52:06.079 --> 00:52:14.000
like manifest destiny idea. Many Christians almost feel like that

823
00:52:14.079 --> 00:52:17.599
Trump has been given a divine mandate and anything he

824
00:52:17.679 --> 00:52:22.360
does comes directly from God. They've almost just given over

825
00:52:23.199 --> 00:52:27.880
whatever the Trump administration does, it's manifest destiny. It's it's

826
00:52:27.960 --> 00:52:31.320
God's will. And so if he wants to remove two

827
00:52:31.320 --> 00:52:34.840
million people and take over this land, it's it's from

828
00:52:34.880 --> 00:52:39.320
God that I I'm going to push back on that.

829
00:52:40.400 --> 00:52:44.800
You see, some might try to justify military intervention using

830
00:52:44.840 --> 00:52:47.440
the belief that certain nations ordained by God to exhort

831
00:52:47.480 --> 00:52:51.280
control over others. Biblical history does not support the idea

832
00:52:51.320 --> 00:52:54.440
of one nation imposing its will on another. In such

833
00:52:54.679 --> 00:52:57.920
a manner. It just doesn't. There's nothing that would say

834
00:52:57.960 --> 00:53:02.480
America has been given this divine destiny to go take

835
00:53:02.519 --> 00:53:05.719
over and remove people. Now you could say Israel may

836
00:53:05.719 --> 00:53:08.079
have been given that. You could have say Israel bit

837
00:53:08.079 --> 00:53:09.840
of would have been given that, and then we can

838
00:53:09.840 --> 00:53:12.360
get into a whole discussion. So then should it be

839
00:53:12.400 --> 00:53:15.159
America taking over? Should it be Israel taking over? And

840
00:53:15.159 --> 00:53:17.480
then that gets into whose land and we can get

841
00:53:17.519 --> 00:53:21.480
into all the consequences of all of this. I think

842
00:53:21.559 --> 00:53:24.679
ultimately God will give Israel the land. But God's going

843
00:53:24.760 --> 00:53:27.519
to be the one who does it. God, and I

844
00:53:27.519 --> 00:53:29.320
think it's going to be done. I think in a

845
00:53:29.400 --> 00:53:34.320
revelation what you know, nineteen kind of way, he will

846
00:53:34.360 --> 00:53:37.000
come back. He will destroy the enemies. Then you have

847
00:53:37.039 --> 00:53:39.360
the thousand years, then they will get the land. If

848
00:53:39.360 --> 00:53:40.719
you're going to do it, look at it from a

849
00:53:40.719 --> 00:53:45.159
thiological perspective. Let God be the one to destroy the enemies.

850
00:53:45.840 --> 00:53:47.719
There's no call for us. There's no call in the

851
00:53:47.719 --> 00:53:50.079
New Testament for Israel to go in and destroy all

852
00:53:50.079 --> 00:53:52.239
of their enemies and take the land. They were given

853
00:53:52.280 --> 00:53:55.360
that call early on in the Old Testament, but there's

854
00:53:55.400 --> 00:53:57.679
nothing in the New Testament that comes anywhere, doesn't call

855
00:53:57.760 --> 00:53:59.760
for any other nation to do it, doesn't call for

856
00:53:59.840 --> 00:54:05.119
Issrill to do it. Whether people, whether Christians like to

857
00:54:05.159 --> 00:54:07.079
hear this or not, the United States is not a

858
00:54:07.159 --> 00:54:10.679
theocratic nation. It is not a New Israel with a

859
00:54:10.719 --> 00:54:17.239
divine mandate to control foreign lands. The assumption that military

860
00:54:17.320 --> 00:54:21.519
might equals divine favor is not a biblical principle. We

861
00:54:21.599 --> 00:54:25.159
are not New Israel. We are not a theocracy. No

862
00:54:25.159 --> 00:54:27.679
matter how many Christians want to make us a theocracy,

863
00:54:27.800 --> 00:54:39.480
we are not so a biblical what's a biblical framework here? Well,

864
00:54:39.519 --> 00:54:42.119
we have to consider the ethics of war and military force.

865
00:54:42.119 --> 00:54:44.000
We have to think of just war doctrine. We went

866
00:54:44.039 --> 00:54:46.400
through all of that. We have to think of human

867
00:54:46.480 --> 00:54:50.599
dignity and the image of God. We have to think

868
00:54:50.639 --> 00:54:53.000
of the role of nations in God's sovereignty and understand

869
00:54:53.039 --> 00:54:57.599
America is not a theocratic nation where God is telling

870
00:54:57.679 --> 00:54:59.760
us to go take control over other people's lands and

871
00:55:00.039 --> 00:55:06.320
place on our populations. We have to love our enemies

872
00:55:06.360 --> 00:55:11.840
and pursue peace. Jesus teach teaching places a high emphasis

873
00:55:11.840 --> 00:55:15.880
on peace and reconciliation rather than conquest. Over and over

874
00:55:15.920 --> 00:55:18.679
and over, we see that love your enemy turn the

875
00:55:18.679 --> 00:55:22.440
other cheek, live as peaceably with all all as much

876
00:55:22.480 --> 00:55:25.360
as possible. Blessed are the peacemakers. On and on and

877
00:55:25.400 --> 00:55:27.920
on and on and on and on. Military intervention that

878
00:55:27.960 --> 00:55:31.480
forcibly removes a people group is not an act of peacemaking,

879
00:55:31.679 --> 00:55:34.480
but of aggression. It is difficult to reconcilve such an

880
00:55:34.519 --> 00:55:37.079
action with Jesus command to love and serve others, even

881
00:55:37.119 --> 00:55:41.840
those with whom we disagree and have conflict. Now, at

882
00:55:41.920 --> 00:55:44.920
least as Christians. Now, I understand the military may have

883
00:55:45.000 --> 00:55:48.920
to do something, but in some situations. But in this

884
00:55:49.000 --> 00:55:52.119
situation it doesn't mean to just war criteria, and as

885
00:55:52.159 --> 00:55:58.960
Christians we should be greatly bothered by all of this. Now,

886
00:55:59.039 --> 00:56:01.880
how should Christians spond?

887
00:56:03.039 --> 00:56:03.280
Well?

888
00:56:03.400 --> 00:56:06.760
Does the global church? Does? Do you and I as

889
00:56:06.800 --> 00:56:10.800
a Christian? Do we have a role? Do we have

890
00:56:10.840 --> 00:56:13.840
a place to do? We have a part to play?

891
00:56:14.679 --> 00:56:20.880
And speaking maybe somewhat prophetically, speaking, somewhat boldly, speaking somewhat

892
00:56:20.960 --> 00:56:27.039
loudly against injustice? Do we not have a biblical call

893
00:56:27.079 --> 00:56:33.599
to call for peace military intervention? And God's a risk

894
00:56:33.679 --> 00:56:37.880
aligning Christianity with imperialism and power rather than with the

895
00:56:37.880 --> 00:56:40.400
Gospel of Christ. We don't want to be committed. We

896
00:56:40.440 --> 00:56:43.000
don't want to be connected to imperialism as Christians. We

897
00:56:43.039 --> 00:56:45.840
don't want to be connected to military might. As Christians.

898
00:56:45.880 --> 00:56:48.159
We want the world to know. What we bring you

899
00:56:48.719 --> 00:56:52.079
is the gospel of Jesus Christ. What bring What we

900
00:56:52.280 --> 00:56:55.679
bring to you is the message that God has sent

901
00:56:55.760 --> 00:56:58.280
his son to die for you so that you can

902
00:56:58.320 --> 00:57:01.280
be saved from your sins. We do not come bringing

903
00:57:01.360 --> 00:57:04.719
an American flag. We do not come bringing Trump. We

904
00:57:04.800 --> 00:57:09.360
do not come bringing Republican conservativism. We come bringing the Gospel.

905
00:57:09.599 --> 00:57:12.039
We don't want to be associated with it in any way,

906
00:57:12.119 --> 00:57:18.039
shape or form. We are called uh in Micah chapter six,

907
00:57:18.159 --> 00:57:20.159
verse eight. And this is I think for all of

908
00:57:20.239 --> 00:57:23.280
us to some degree. Oh man, what he has told you,

909
00:57:23.320 --> 00:57:24.960
Oh man, what is good? And what does the Lord

910
00:57:25.000 --> 00:57:28.039
require of you? But to do justice, to love kindness,

911
00:57:28.079 --> 00:57:31.280
and to walk humbly with your God Isaiah one, p. Seventeen.

912
00:57:31.360 --> 00:57:36.239
Learned to do good, seek justice, correct oppression James one,

913
00:57:36.360 --> 00:57:39.719
twenty seven. True religion involves caring for the vulnerable, not

914
00:57:40.039 --> 00:57:46.360
exhorting dominance. We want to bring Christianity. We don't want

915
00:57:46.400 --> 00:57:49.039
to be connected with all of this as the church

916
00:57:49.199 --> 00:57:52.679
is concerned the church that gets involved in Trump Trump

917
00:57:52.760 --> 00:57:56.559
Trump Trump. Now you take the cross. You you basically

918
00:57:56.599 --> 00:58:00.239
sat on top of the cross, a red hat says

919
00:58:00.239 --> 00:58:03.320
make America great again. You cover the cross in the

920
00:58:03.360 --> 00:58:10.559
American flag. That is wrong. Then people reject Christianity, not

921
00:58:10.599 --> 00:58:14.840
on the basis of Christianity, but on as association with Republicans,

922
00:58:14.920 --> 00:58:19.920
its association with Trump, it's association with military might, imperialism, conquering,

923
00:58:20.079 --> 00:58:29.719
removing people. Don't do that, some would argue. In fact,

924
00:58:29.760 --> 00:58:33.639
Ai made this statement. If the church remains silent or

925
00:58:33.679 --> 00:58:39.559
supports such actions uncritically, it compromises its moral authority and

926
00:58:39.639 --> 00:58:43.599
the church loses its witness in the world. Hey. I

927
00:58:43.719 --> 00:58:46.079
was like, hey, if you support this and you do

928
00:58:46.199 --> 00:58:49.079
so in an uncritical way, you don't have any moral

929
00:58:49.159 --> 00:58:52.480
authority as the church. The church just becomes a political

930
00:58:52.639 --> 00:58:55.719
arm for the Republican Party and all it is. It's

931
00:58:55.920 --> 00:58:58.920
just basically a pro Trump cult. And if you want

932
00:58:58.920 --> 00:59:02.119
to be a pro Trump cult, go form it. Just

933
00:59:02.239 --> 00:59:05.679
leave Christianity out of it, leave Jesus out of it,

934
00:59:05.840 --> 00:59:08.880
leave the Bible out of it. Just go worship Trump,

935
00:59:09.079 --> 00:59:13.039
create the Church of Trump, go worship the American flag.

936
00:59:13.400 --> 00:59:16.599
Just please for the love of all that is godly,

937
00:59:17.079 --> 00:59:24.119
Leave Christianity out of it. I got no problem. Go hey, oh,

938
00:59:24.159 --> 00:59:27.039
where are you going Saturday? Well, well, Saturday nights we

939
00:59:27.079 --> 00:59:29.400
get together for a pro Trump rally. Go do it.

940
00:59:29.480 --> 00:59:34.079
I got no problem. Just just don't leave put Christianity

941
00:59:34.079 --> 00:59:40.000
in it. Okay, I got no problem. Be as patriotic

942
00:59:40.039 --> 00:59:41.679
as you want, be as pro Trump as you want.

943
00:59:41.840 --> 00:59:44.920
Make America great again. Yell and scream to build the wall.

944
00:59:45.199 --> 00:59:48.119
Yell and scream that the problems in this country is

945
00:59:48.159 --> 00:59:51.519
because minorities have been hired for jobs, and some because

946
00:59:51.519 --> 00:59:53.519
they have black skin or brown skin, or they're a woman,

947
00:59:53.519 --> 00:59:57.000
they're not qualified. Go yell scream everything Trump screams. Yell

948
00:59:57.079 --> 01:00:00.519
at scream it, Blake do. I got no problem with it.

949
01:00:01.239 --> 01:00:04.960
Go You're just another political movement that will sooner or

950
01:00:05.039 --> 01:00:07.079
later be in the dustbend of history like all the

951
01:00:07.119 --> 01:00:10.559
other political movements. I don't care. But from a biblical

952
01:00:10.639 --> 01:00:17.239
theological perspective, please keep Christianity out of it. Keep Christianity,

953
01:00:17.599 --> 01:00:21.880
keep your stinking politics out of Christianity. For the love

954
01:00:21.960 --> 01:00:34.480
of all that is right, please don't touch Christianity. Now,

955
01:00:34.480 --> 01:00:38.199
from a biblical and philological perspective, a US military intervention

956
01:00:38.280 --> 01:00:44.119
in Gaza, particularly one involving force displacement, is not justifiable.

957
01:00:46.239 --> 01:00:49.039
That's not my words. Ai even says that it's just

958
01:00:49.079 --> 01:00:52.320
you can't justify it from a biblical perspective. I know

959
01:00:52.360 --> 01:00:54.880
I'm gonna get all the emails from Trump supporters. Let

960
01:00:54.920 --> 01:00:56.599
me tell you. If you're a Trump supporter and you

961
01:00:56.639 --> 01:01:01.480
support Trump, please that's okay. Go just go, just go.

962
01:01:01.840 --> 01:01:04.679
We're trying to have a philological conversation here, a biblical

963
01:01:04.679 --> 01:01:08.559
conversation here. Philologically and biblically. You can't say the United

964
01:01:08.559 --> 01:01:11.599
States should go in take over Gaza and displace two

965
01:01:11.920 --> 01:01:15.599
million human beings and force them to leave, and I

966
01:01:15.599 --> 01:01:17.960
guess send them to countries that don't even want them,

967
01:01:18.079 --> 01:01:20.880
and we just forget international law and even forget the

968
01:01:20.880 --> 01:01:25.000
treaties that we have signed. That's there nothing Christian about that.

969
01:01:26.199 --> 01:01:29.400
If that's your politics, then go for it. You won

970
01:01:29.440 --> 01:01:32.719
the election. Get your people to go do it, Go

971
01:01:32.880 --> 01:01:39.199
do it, Go support it, go remove, kill, do whatever

972
01:01:39.199 --> 01:01:42.320
you want to do, blame, condemn, do whatever you want

973
01:01:42.320 --> 01:01:46.840
to do. You won the election. Go just leave Christianity

974
01:01:46.920 --> 01:01:49.480
out of it. It's all I'm asking. And then I

975
01:01:49.599 --> 01:01:54.320
pray and hope that in two years enough people will

976
01:01:54.320 --> 01:01:57.280
wake up and go what is happening here, and there'll

977
01:01:57.280 --> 01:02:00.800
be a massive backlash politically, and they'll vote all of

978
01:02:00.840 --> 01:02:03.920
this nonsense out and then then Trump will lose his

979
01:02:04.039 --> 01:02:06.119
power and there'll be a lame duck president for two

980
01:02:06.199 --> 01:02:08.360
years and at the end it'll all be over. But

981
01:02:08.719 --> 01:02:10.079
I don't know if it's going to happen that way,

982
01:02:10.199 --> 01:02:12.159
because it's politics, and I don't really care to get

983
01:02:12.199 --> 01:02:15.320
involved in it. I just don't want Christianity to be

984
01:02:15.400 --> 01:02:22.960
pulled into this. So how should a Christian respond? Well,

985
01:02:22.960 --> 01:02:26.280
we should condemn force displacement as an injustice and advocate

986
01:02:26.320 --> 01:02:31.280
for the dignity of all people, including Palestinians. And please

987
01:02:31.360 --> 01:02:39.039
note the difference between the terrorist groups hamas Hesbelah versus individuals. Okay,

988
01:02:39.079 --> 01:02:44.280
we want to condemn. I condemned, forcibly, the ideology of

989
01:02:44.320 --> 01:02:49.039
hamas Hesbela many of these terrorist groups. Obviously I condemn them,

990
01:02:50.360 --> 01:02:54.239
But at the same time, you don't label everyone who's

991
01:02:54.280 --> 01:02:58.239
a Palestinian or everyone who lives in Gaza as a terrorist.

992
01:02:58.800 --> 01:03:03.079
That is prejudice, bigotry, and just ridiculous, and that's not

993
01:03:03.199 --> 01:03:06.119
demonstrating seeing the dignity of human beings as creating the

994
01:03:06.119 --> 01:03:13.480
image of God. We have to condemn the forced displacement

995
01:03:13.599 --> 01:03:16.760
if it was to occur, and we have to advocate

996
01:03:16.800 --> 01:03:22.800
for the dignity of all people. We should hopefully prioritize

997
01:03:22.800 --> 01:03:26.119
this as Christians. Second thing we should do. We should

998
01:03:26.159 --> 01:03:32.440
prioritize diplomacy, humanitarian aid, and peace efforts over military action.

999
01:03:32.800 --> 01:03:46.519
We at least should, we absolutely must as Christians, challenge

1000
01:03:47.199 --> 01:03:54.159
a nationalistic or imperialistic interpretation of scripture that justify war

1001
01:03:54.320 --> 01:04:00.679
and conquest. That's what I'm because this nationalistic and realistic

1002
01:04:00.719 --> 01:04:10.639
interpretation of scripture must be condemned. That's what I'm concerned about.

1003
01:04:12.320 --> 01:04:16.519
The Gospel calls for reconciliation. The Gospel calls for love

1004
01:04:16.679 --> 01:04:20.159
to enemy, love to our neighbor. The Gospel calls for

1005
01:04:20.199 --> 01:04:23.440
bringing the message of salvation to all people. It does

1006
01:04:23.480 --> 01:04:26.599
not call for dominion. It does not call for domination.

1007
01:04:29.280 --> 01:04:35.960
And any policy that promotes injustice, bigotry, prejudice, prejudice, hatred,

1008
01:04:36.079 --> 01:04:41.320
anything like that over peace is an opposition to well

1009
01:04:41.480 --> 01:04:46.719
the things we supposedly believe as Christians. Now, I don't

1010
01:04:46.760 --> 01:04:49.000
know how all this is going to play out. I

1011
01:04:49.000 --> 01:04:51.519
don't know the world is still kind of reeling from

1012
01:04:51.599 --> 01:04:53.480
all of this. If I go, let me just look

1013
01:04:53.559 --> 01:04:58.480
right now, let me do it refresh. The Drudge Report

1014
01:04:58.519 --> 01:05:02.079
had changed a lot of its headlines. All right, it

1015
01:05:02.239 --> 01:05:05.719
just says global fury says. Global fury builds over Trump's

1016
01:05:05.760 --> 01:05:09.679
plan to turn Gaza into the Middle East riviera. US

1017
01:05:09.760 --> 01:05:14.079
president faces outrage from Arab countries and key European capitals

1018
01:05:14.320 --> 01:05:18.360
over his dangerous proposal that Palestinians should be removed from

1019
01:05:18.360 --> 01:05:23.480
the coastal enclave. European countries joined Arab nations Wednesday and

1020
01:05:23.519 --> 01:05:26.920
rebuking a shock announcement by United States President Donald Trump

1021
01:05:27.119 --> 01:05:29.440
that he wants to take control over Gaza and forcibly

1022
01:05:29.519 --> 01:05:33.800
displaced its inhabitants to neighboring countries, including Jordan and Egypt.

1023
01:05:34.039 --> 01:05:37.039
Trump's remarks that the US should own Gaza and turn

1024
01:05:37.079 --> 01:05:40.039
it from a demolition site into the riviera of the

1025
01:05:40.039 --> 01:05:44.079
Middle East sparked immediate blowback from Palestinian officials, their regional

1026
01:05:44.119 --> 01:05:49.320
allies around the Middle East, and key European capitals. Germany's

1027
01:05:49.360 --> 01:05:52.480
foreign minister said that the proposal to move the Palestinians

1028
01:05:52.519 --> 01:05:57.320
was unacceptable against international law. A French and government spokesperson

1029
01:05:57.400 --> 01:06:00.800
said Paris is fully opposed to the displacement of populations,

1030
01:06:01.039 --> 01:06:05.440
calls Trump's proposal dangerous for regional stability. The UK Prime

1031
01:06:05.480 --> 01:06:11.159
Minister said Palestinians must be allowed home to rebuild. We

1032
01:06:11.239 --> 01:06:13.519
will not allow the rights of our people for which

1033
01:06:13.559 --> 01:06:16.599
we have struggled for decades and made great sacrifice to achieve,

1034
01:06:16.639 --> 01:06:27.400
to be infringe upon, said the President Palestinian President. The

1035
01:06:27.719 --> 01:06:31.800
Egypt's foreign minister says that they support the legitimate and

1036
01:06:31.840 --> 01:06:38.519
inalienable rights of the Palestinian people. Jordanian officials had not

1037
01:06:38.639 --> 01:06:42.320
responded publicly or or replied to Politico's requests for comment

1038
01:06:42.360 --> 01:06:45.440
on Trump's plan and time of publication. An overnight statement

1039
01:06:45.480 --> 01:06:48.000
from the Saudi Arabian Foreign Minister said it had warned

1040
01:06:48.039 --> 01:06:52.760
former current the United States administrations about the Palestinian people's rights,

1041
01:06:53.320 --> 01:06:56.280
and once again stated it would not establish diplomatic relations

1042
01:06:56.320 --> 01:07:04.840
with Israel if certain conditions were breached. Trump has repeated

1043
01:07:04.880 --> 01:07:06.760
at least four times in the last few days that

1044
01:07:06.800 --> 01:07:10.039
Palestinians and Gaza should be displaced to the neighboring countries,

1045
01:07:10.400 --> 01:07:13.840
first floating the idea in January twenty fifth, following a

1046
01:07:13.880 --> 01:07:18.840
call Withans, the Jordan's king and promoting widespread condemination, that

1047
01:07:19.039 --> 01:07:22.320
the move would amount to ethnic cleansing and violate international law.

1048
01:07:22.360 --> 01:07:33.000
These are all the things we discussed, all right, Yeah,

1049
01:07:33.039 --> 01:07:39.960
there's a lot more here, And then it's talking about

1050
01:07:39.960 --> 01:07:49.480
there's a lot here. The British Prime Minister said they

1051
01:07:49.559 --> 01:07:52.000
must be allowed to rebuild and we should be with them,

1052
01:07:52.079 --> 01:07:54.639
and that they rebuild on the way to a two

1053
01:07:54.800 --> 01:07:58.480
state solution. So obviously there's no one else in agreement

1054
01:07:58.480 --> 01:08:01.320
with this. That's okay. I don't really care about it

1055
01:08:01.400 --> 01:08:03.599
from the political standpoint. I mean, we looked at it,

1056
01:08:03.360 --> 01:08:07.719
we analyzed it from a political standpoint, all the possible ramifications.

1057
01:08:07.880 --> 01:08:10.880
I tried to be fair and say I could understand

1058
01:08:11.039 --> 01:08:13.360
the thinking here to some level, right I can. I

1059
01:08:13.360 --> 01:08:16.039
can see it to some level, like in a private meeting, Well,

1060
01:08:16.039 --> 01:08:19.479
what if we could just remove all of them out

1061
01:08:21.439 --> 01:08:23.800
and we could rebuild it, then maybe there'd be this

1062
01:08:23.880 --> 01:08:27.159
place of prosperity, a place of peace, and this could

1063
01:08:27.199 --> 01:08:29.239
be a good thing. Right, I can see at least

1064
01:08:29.279 --> 01:08:31.600
the initial thought. But then you have to go, well,

1065
01:08:31.600 --> 01:08:33.239
wait a minute, where do they go? Where did the

1066
01:08:33.279 --> 01:08:36.720
two million people go? Do we forcibly remove them? Well,

1067
01:08:36.720 --> 01:08:40.199
there's problems there from international law and ethical concerns. Wait,

1068
01:08:40.319 --> 01:08:42.800
the other nations are's like, we're not going to take them, right,

1069
01:08:42.880 --> 01:08:44.880
do we bring them to the United States? Oh, I

1070
01:08:44.880 --> 01:08:47.439
would love to see Americans. I would love to see

1071
01:08:47.439 --> 01:08:49.600
those pro Trump people respond to that, like you have

1072
01:08:49.680 --> 01:08:50.880
to just start breaking it down.

1073
01:08:51.560 --> 01:08:51.680
No.

1074
01:08:51.760 --> 01:08:55.800
I would have no problem at all with Trump having

1075
01:08:55.840 --> 01:08:59.399
this conversation in private, like, hey, guys, I know we've

1076
01:08:59.399 --> 01:09:02.199
always gone with the two states solution. It's never worked.

1077
01:09:02.239 --> 01:09:04.520
How about we blow up that idea. Let's go with

1078
01:09:04.600 --> 01:09:10.000
a radical idea. America owns Gaza. Let's go all right,

1079
01:09:11.039 --> 01:09:13.279
give me the pros and the cons to it. And

1080
01:09:13.319 --> 01:09:16.159
you're doing this in private. You're doing it in private.

1081
01:09:16.319 --> 01:09:18.520
I'm all for. I would be like, Yeah, that's a

1082
01:09:18.640 --> 01:09:20.760
radical idea. I may even be sitting in the meeting

1083
01:09:20.840 --> 01:09:23.399
going that's the dumbest idea I've ever heard. But when

1084
01:09:23.439 --> 01:09:26.279
you do brainstorming, nobody says it's the dumbest idea. You

1085
01:09:26.439 --> 01:09:28.600
just try to figure out how to make it work.

1086
01:09:28.800 --> 01:09:30.279
And then because a lot of times what you do,

1087
01:09:30.319 --> 01:09:32.239
if you'll start with the idea, try to figure out

1088
01:09:32.279 --> 01:09:34.039
how to make it work, you'll see all the things

1089
01:09:34.079 --> 01:09:35.960
that would stop it from working. You don't even have

1090
01:09:36.039 --> 01:09:37.920
to go whether it's a good idea, bad idea, of

1091
01:09:37.960 --> 01:09:40.359
whether it's a dumb idea. You can just say this

1092
01:09:40.399 --> 01:09:42.960
thing falls apart. Well, it falls apart when you have

1093
01:09:43.000 --> 01:09:46.000
two million people and they have no place to go.

1094
01:09:47.399 --> 01:09:49.680
You have a problem when you want to come in

1095
01:09:49.720 --> 01:09:52.680
and take over an area, but all the nations surrounding

1096
01:09:52.720 --> 01:09:56.159
that area are like absolutely not. Well, that could lead

1097
01:09:56.239 --> 01:10:01.319
to some severe military situations. Okay, oh, we can look

1098
01:10:01.359 --> 01:10:06.039
at it from that perspective. But again it's my issue

1099
01:10:06.119 --> 01:10:09.319
is I already saw this talked about on a number

1100
01:10:09.399 --> 01:10:14.319
of Christian websites and the Christians and they're like yeah, yeah, Trump, Trump,

1101
01:10:14.520 --> 01:10:17.439
and it's like, I don't get it. It's this weird

1102
01:10:17.600 --> 01:10:20.760
like Trump says it and they think it floated from heaven,

1103
01:10:20.840 --> 01:10:25.039
from the throne room of God. It is insanity, it

1104
01:10:25.159 --> 01:10:33.560
is cult. Like I didn't necessarily want to talk about

1105
01:10:33.560 --> 01:10:36.960
this today, definitely didn't want to spend seventy minutes. We

1106
01:10:37.039 --> 01:10:40.399
have the other things we could talk about, right, other things,

1107
01:10:41.680 --> 01:10:45.479
but it had to be addressed to some level, so

1108
01:10:46.840 --> 01:10:50.079
I will continue. Hang on, I'm getting more notifications here,

1109
01:10:52.079 --> 01:10:57.319
all right, Okay, right, here from the Wall Street Journal,

1110
01:10:57.359 --> 01:11:05.239
Middle East leaders reject Trump's gouse. What you need to

1111
01:11:05.279 --> 01:11:07.960
know about Trump's plan to turn Gaza into the riviera

1112
01:11:07.960 --> 01:11:17.680
of the Middle East. Okay, I'm just looking all of

1113
01:11:17.720 --> 01:11:22.079
these tracing the origin of Trump's Gaza real estate dream. Okay,

1114
01:11:23.800 --> 01:11:31.199
I'm just just one notification after another. Trump's Tariff's impact

1115
01:11:31.279 --> 01:11:40.600
on Americans, US will take over Gaza strip. Okay. Here

1116
01:11:42.079 --> 01:11:45.279
Trump considers long term ownership of God. These are all

1117
01:11:45.319 --> 01:11:48.439
podcasts notifications that I have received since I started broadcasting.

1118
01:11:48.880 --> 01:11:58.640
It's just one after another after another after another. Yeah,

1119
01:11:58.760 --> 01:12:01.560
there's a lot there, so I felt like we needed

1120
01:12:01.600 --> 01:12:04.600
to talk about it again. It wasn't necessarily my intention

1121
01:12:05.000 --> 01:12:06.680
to go that long, but I try to look at

1122
01:12:06.720 --> 01:12:09.560
it from every perspective possibly right. I try to look

1123
01:12:09.600 --> 01:12:14.359
at it somewhat from a just a geopolitical military, try

1124
01:12:14.359 --> 01:12:16.399
to look at it from that perspective. I try to

1125
01:12:16.399 --> 01:12:19.359
look at it from a Christian history perspective. In some ways,

1126
01:12:19.439 --> 01:12:21.199
when I got to broke in this down outlined it

1127
01:12:21.239 --> 01:12:23.000
a little better. I try to compare it to the

1128
01:12:23.119 --> 01:12:25.359
just war doctrine, and I try to look at it

1129
01:12:25.359 --> 01:12:28.760
from just a biblical theological perspective. I think I've tried

1130
01:12:28.760 --> 01:12:31.399
to be fair. Do I have a bias?

1131
01:12:31.520 --> 01:12:31.760
Yeah?

1132
01:12:32.000 --> 01:12:35.399
I mean so much. I don't agree with pretty much

1133
01:12:35.399 --> 01:12:38.920
anything Trump supports. I'm almost or or. Even if I

1134
01:12:39.239 --> 01:12:41.960
may support an idea, I don't support anything that he

1135
01:12:42.039 --> 01:12:43.880
says about it, how he goes about it. And I

1136
01:12:43.920 --> 01:12:51.199
definitely don't support the constant misinformation you know. Yeah, don't

1137
01:12:51.239 --> 01:12:53.520
even get me started about the plane crash and that.

1138
01:12:53.640 --> 01:12:57.760
Don't even Oh man, that was just outrageous and oh disgusting.

1139
01:12:57.880 --> 01:12:59.520
I don't even get me started on that. So yeah,

1140
01:12:59.560 --> 01:13:03.319
do I do I have an anti Trump bias to

1141
01:13:03.359 --> 01:13:05.399
a level? I will admit it. I will. I try

1142
01:13:05.399 --> 01:13:07.159
to admit it. I try to be fair with it.

1143
01:13:10.560 --> 01:13:15.800
But again, my issue is, if I leave Christianity tomorrow,

1144
01:13:16.159 --> 01:13:17.880
right then I don't care about looking at things from

1145
01:13:17.920 --> 01:13:20.800
a biblical and theological perspective. Do I even care about

1146
01:13:20.800 --> 01:13:22.640
truth anymore? I don't care if Trump lies, I don't

1147
01:13:22.640 --> 01:13:25.840
care politicians lie. I'm going to choose a political side

1148
01:13:25.880 --> 01:13:27.920
and let's get what we can get. I don't care

1149
01:13:27.960 --> 01:13:31.119
about ethics, I don't care about morality. Okay, but the

1150
01:13:31.199 --> 01:13:33.560
minute I have to bring in the Bible and Christianity,

1151
01:13:33.600 --> 01:13:35.520
that I'm like, I'm supposed to care about this, and

1152
01:13:35.600 --> 01:13:37.840
I'm supposed to this is wrong, and this is wrong,

1153
01:13:37.880 --> 01:13:39.840
and this is I have to I'm supposed to look

1154
01:13:39.840 --> 01:13:42.239
at it differently, just like I'm supposed to look at

1155
01:13:42.279 --> 01:13:44.000
my own life and go, well, this is wrong, and

1156
01:13:44.039 --> 01:13:46.000
you do this wrong, and you do this wrong, and

1157
01:13:46.479 --> 01:13:48.920
acknowledge all of my own failure in my own sin,

1158
01:13:49.000 --> 01:13:56.079
which there is plenty. All right, I'll stop because I'm starving,

1159
01:13:56.319 --> 01:14:02.199
all right, So yeah, all right, thank you very much.

1160
01:14:02.199 --> 01:14:04.600
I wish I had something profound to say. I don't

1161
01:14:04.600 --> 01:14:07.479
have anything profound to say, because this is just insanity.

1162
01:14:07.560 --> 01:14:10.920
I don't even know. I literally don't know what to say.

1163
01:14:11.039 --> 01:14:15.560
You heard me stumbling over words constantly throughout throughout throughout

1164
01:14:15.680 --> 01:14:18.600
this see, I'm struggling with the word throughout throughout the

1165
01:14:18.720 --> 01:14:19.279
entire thing.

1166
01:14:19.399 --> 01:14:19.760
I just.

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Yeah, I mean, I was trying to think about some

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of the words I stumbled over. I don't even remember

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all of them, but yeah, I mean, I was just like,

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I'm just baffled and confused that this is where we are.

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I don't there's no way it's happening, unless at least

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be I don't think there's any way it's happening. I

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just can't. I can't comprehend it. I can't comprehend it.

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I can't. I can't comprehend it. And I hope for

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anybody in the United States military, oh man, depending on

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what your job is, I hope you're not placed in

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this situation we have to go forcibly, remove two million people,

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just take over land just because the United States thinks

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it's the best idea. I mean, man, I'd have some

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I'd have some struggles and all of that. Okay, all right,

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we'll see. I My thing is, the outrage is loud,

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and Trump will have to blink and he'll have to

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he'll have to backpedal. I think we'll have to, at

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least I think so. I could be wrong. I mean,

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you saw all the things with the tariffs, and then, oh,

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I'm gonna put it on pause. I'm gonna put it

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on pause. So I'm hoping there's gonna be a maybe

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by the end of the day, we'll get an update

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and some things have stepped back. Calmer, commer minds have prevailed,

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calmer voices have prevailed, and we can have a maybe

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some modified plan here. I don't know. I'm holding out

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hope we will see. But in the meantime, well just remember,

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please get as far away from politics as you can.

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Wash hands of it. The whole thing will it will

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corrupt your Christianity. I told about that this is going

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to be a problem this year. I don't even want

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to be spending all this time talking about it, but

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we have to at least address it somewhat from a

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biblical perspective. You can't allow your Christianity to be corrupted

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by any political ideology, whether it's Trump Maga political ideology,

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or whether it's liberal, socialist, communist, whatever or else you

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want to label it, you can't. Christianity has got to

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be kept separate from those things. So things will corrupt

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your Christianity. They will corrupt it, and your Christianity will

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stop being Christianity, and you're just You're Christianity will simply

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become a tool used by politicians to offer spiritual justification

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for their actions. And Christianity is not a tool for

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politicians to justify their political actions. All right, thanks for listening,

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God bless