Jan. 29, 2025
The Vatican and AI
A look at a document published by the Vatican on AI
A look at a document published by the Vatican on AI
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Looking at our world from a theological perspective. This is
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the Theology Central podcast, making Theology Central Good Evening everyone.
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It is Tuesday, January the twenty eighth, twenty twenty five.
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It is currently nine fifty eight pm Central Time, and
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I am coming to you live from the Theology Central
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studio located right here in Applene, Texas. Almost forgot, almost
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forgot what to say. The reason I almost forgot what
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to say is because my mind is a little distracted
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here because this is kind of like all happening in
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real time, and so I don't have everything completely mapped
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out or even really a strategy and exactly the right
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way to approach this. But I feel like if I'm
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going to address it, I need to address it right now.
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Sometimes I believe things are somewhat time sensitive. Sometimes I
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believe they aren't. I know, the reality is, it's not
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really that time sensitive. Here's the thing. The reality is
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people will start talking about this, maybe tomorrow, maybe the
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next day, maybe a week from now. Some Christian podcasters
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will pick it up, some of those who cover the
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news will start talking about it, and it'll start gaining,
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you know, some traction. But I don't like to be
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wait till everyone else talks about it. I prefer to
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talk about it first. So I guess in my mind
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I'm saying, oh, this is time sensitive. I guess in reality,
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I could just wait, let everyone else talk about it,
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then offer my opinion. I mean, do people really care
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that I talk about it first? Probably not, But I
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guess the reason it's time sensitive. If I don't talk
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about this now, then what I'm going to do is
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when I finally lay down to try to get some sleep,
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I'm gonna just be sitting there thinking about, well, I
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could talk about it this way. Well, I could address
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it this way. Well, I could say this, Oh, let
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me look this up. Wait, let me just get up
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and oh, let me let me Oh, I could do this, Oh,
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I could let me okay, let me check this, let
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me ooh what about this? What about this? And the
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next thing you know, it's been an hour, hour and
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a half. I haven't slept because I'm sitting there already
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mapping out what I'm going to do. So now, that
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would probably make the episode better tomorrow, But why not
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just turn on the microphone now and speak about it.
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So That's what I'm going to do. Here is what
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was happening. Okay, I had been reading a comic book.
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It was really good, had a great time. Then I thought,
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maybe I'll listen to a little bit of music late
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evening music listening. Okay, that's always fun. Maybe I will
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do that. And then I saw the news headline. The
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news headline read Vatican warns AI artificial intelligence could undermine
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the very foundations of society, and I'm like, whoa, The
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Vatican is warning that artificial intelligence could under the very
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foundations of society. And I'm like, okay, you've you got
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my attention now. The first reason I got my attention
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is just because I saw the two letters AI artificial intelligence.
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And if you've been paying any attention to this broadcast,
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we've been talking about artificial intelligence. It already feels like
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for a year, but really we've just been spending all
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of twenty twenty five and I've said, it's going to
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really be kind of the focus, right and I'm trying
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to look at how artificial intelligence is going to impact Christianity,
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how it's going to impact theology, Bible study, Bible interpretation, hermeneutics,
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that how it's going to impact that. And you know,
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you already know kind of my hypotheses, which is basically,
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AI makes the church as far as being an institution
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that is supposed to teach the word of God, supposed
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to preach, teach, equip people in the and the teaching
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of God's words, providing in depth teaching of doctrine, theology,
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church history, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. As far
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as the church being an institution where it is supposed
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to preach and teach the word of God, AI makes
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the church absolutely irrelevant because AI can do far better
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than the church ever can, and it's preaching and teaching mission. Now,
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if you are a sacramental church and you offer sacraments,
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then okay, if you decide, well, the church can do
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something AI can't. We can be a place of quote
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unquote community. You can be a place where you can
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make friends and have relationships and hold hands and sing
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Kumbaya or you know, have activities and potlucks, and well,
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then you're right, the AI cannot compete with that. But
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if you believe that the focus of the church is
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teaching preaching, well AI can. Well We've already demonstrated it
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and it outperforms every single time. I mean, we've placed
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AI versus sermons, ANDAI has won every single battle that
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we have placed it in. And I think if we
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were going to continue to do that through twenty twenty five,
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and I think we're going to clearly demonstrate AI it's
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just superior, it's better. And I don't think that I
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don't even think that's debatable anymore. I don't even think
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it's you can really argue. Someone may try to well,
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I prefer well, you may prefer I would rather prefer
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something that does better than maybe something that meets my
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personal preference. Is my own, my own kind of take
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on it, especially when it comes to preaching and teaching.
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So we have been really talking about AIAIAI. Now this
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headline seems to focus on what the Vatican is saying,
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how AI could undermine the foundations of society. Now, what
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are those foundations of society? Doesn't believe it can undermine.
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If you say the Church is one of the foundations
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of society, then you would be saying AI is going
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to undermine the Church. I don't think the Vatican is
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saying that. So we'll have to try to find out
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exactly what we saying. But it caught my attention, so immediately,
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of course, I clicked on the news article and it
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took me to Barons dot com. Barons dot com. This
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was published January twenty eighth, twenty twenty five, at seven
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nineteen a m. Eastern Standard time. Now, on one hand,
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I'm a little mad at myself for kind of kicking
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myself because why didn't I see this this morning? Well,
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because I was doing other things this morning that you know,
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really had no significance or important. It was more just
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I was doing things for fun, as staid of this,
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And I'm like, man, how did I miss this? Okay,
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So here is the headline, Vatican warrens AI could undermine
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foundations of society. Okay, so this really, I mean that's
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a Now is that the headline? Is the headline being hyperbolic?
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Is the headline? Or is the Vatican really like really
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concerned about it? Now at this point, now this is
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my way my mind was thinking. The headline caught my
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attention mainly because I had AI. While I've been talking
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about AI. I'm like, okay, that's good. But I just
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thought maybe the AI just or the AI Vatican just
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kind of released a statement. It was nothing of any
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real significance. So I thought, okay, i'll look at the
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article I'm interested, and maybe we'll talk about it. But
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I still wasn't necessarily like I need to turn on
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the microphone right then, but until I read this. The
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Vatican published a new text on artificial intelligence Tuesday, and
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I'm like, wait, wait, wait, wait, they published a text.
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I'm like, I've got to look this up. So I
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started searching, found myself to the Vatican website, and I
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have the entire document here. I believe I transferred it
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over into a PDF file. I can't remember exactly how
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many pages I've got the outline here and everything about it.
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But we'll talk about the document itself. We'll talk about
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the document itself. Let's go back to the news article,
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because I'll show you what the news article leaves out,
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and then I'm going to try to fill in a
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couple of things. All right, So here is the news
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article again, published this morning. The Vatican published a new
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text on artificial intelligence Tuesday, warning that the tool AI
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artificial intelligence could destroy the trust on which societies are
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built while humans become cogs in a machine. WHOA, okay,
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the Vatican, I mean that sounds hyperbolic to me, all right,
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because first, AI could destroy the trust in which societies
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are built. Okay, I'm nate, you call me. You can
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say that I'm jaded, you can say that I'm cynical,
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you can say that I'm negative, and a lot of
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people would because you hear a lot of my cynicism
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and how cynical I am, and a lot of the
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broadcast I do, but I am, and a lot of
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it is based off a phiological understanding of something, and
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that theological understanding is that the human heart is desperately
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wicked and deceitful above all things. Well, if the human
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heart is deceitful above all things, why did we ever
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think society was built on trust? Who should you trust?
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I don't trust me, I don't trust you. You shouldn't
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trust anyone, especially You're It's funny because I think sometimes
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as Christians, we believe humans are born sinful. The heart
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is desperately wicked, it is deceitful above all things. But
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of course, and the Christian way of thinking, as soon
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as someone becomes a Christian, well that's no longer true,
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and of course that's all goes away, which I think
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is a fraudulent and horrible theology, because we see in
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two thousand years of church history, our hearts are still wicked,
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still deceitful, And that reality proves itself Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday.
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It proves itself in the church, it proves itself outside
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the church. So okay, but they're cold blaming AI now again,
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I would say this is what I would say. See
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if I was writing this, I would say what I
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would warn That humans could destroy the trust and which
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societies are built. I wouldn't say AI could destroy the trust.
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Humans could destroy the trust in which society built. While
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humans become cogs in a machine, I think in some
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ways we're already cogs in a machine. And the political
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machine or the economic machine, we're we're we we we
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we find ourselves as cogs just making a business continue
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to operate, a corporation to continue to operate, a political
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system to continue to operate. I think we're already cogs
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in the machine. Dare I say religious institutions, we're just
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cogs in the machine. We need that. They need the numbers,
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they need the attendance, they need the money to keep
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the machine. I think we're always cogs in the machine.
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I know, I'm very jaded. Again, everyone AI is going
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to cause it. No, we're gonna cause it. We people
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may use AI to bring this about, but I think
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we've already been undermining the trust in the trust in
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which societies have built. Humans have been doing that even
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way before AI. That's just my assessment here. Now. The
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next paragraph says Pope Francis has been has on a
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regular basis, been a victim of fake news and doctored photographs. Well,
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you know why he's been a victim of fake news
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and doctored photographs because of human beings who create it
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and share it, and people who don't bother to care
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to pursue truth, to pursue verification, to pursue evidence. They
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just buy it and then they share it on social media.
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Christians have been sharing falsover again. I've told the story
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a million times. I moved from Nebraska back to Texas
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because the military moves me here. We go visit a
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church on a Sunday night out in the middle of nowhere,
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West Texas. At the end of the sermon, the pastor says,
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there's an atheist woman and she's trying to remove Christian
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broadcasting from the television. We have to stop it. So
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we have a petition here that we're going to send
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to the federal government to tell them not to remove
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Christian broadcasting from television networks. And everybody was like, oh, no,
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they go sign it. I'm sitting there going it's fake.
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It's fake, it's not real. And of course guess what
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they signed it. They sent it off to the federal government.
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I don't know if it was a week later, two
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weeks later, four weeks later, I don't know when it was.
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It was Focus on the Family, I believe on their
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radio programs, like, guys, it's a hoax. It's not true.
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The atheist woman they're talking about is dead. She's not
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doing this. The federal government is asking you to stop
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sending your petitions. Did Christians bother to get the information?
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Was it AI's fault? It was human's fault. And I've
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how many times the Great Satanic Scare of the eighties,
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way before AI was running around, Oh there's Satanic cults
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out there, it's gonna kidnap your children all of the
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I've seen it over and over and over. Humans lie,
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Humans make up conspiracy theories, humans spread them. For I
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trust AI before I trust people. Now you can say,
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but people could use AI, Yes they could. I understand that,
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but it will still at the core the problem will
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be us. AI will just be a tool that we use. Right, So,
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Pope Francis has been a victim of fake news. Doctor
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Photographs cautioned earlier this month that AI could be misused
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to manipulate minds. AI could be misused to manipulate minds.
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But who would be the doing the manipulating of minds?
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Human beings using AI? The problem is the human race. Okay,
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that's the problem. The Vatican text elaborates on his thinking.
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I quote, AI generated fake media can gradually undermine the
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foundations of society end quote this read This is from
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the text written by two Vatican departments and approved by
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the eighty eight year old pontiff, quoting again, as deep
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fakes cause people to question everything. You should have already
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been questioning everything way before DEEP appeared, and AI generated
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false content erodes trust and what they see and hear.
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Polarization and conflict will only grow, the document says again
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another quote, such widespread deception is no trivial matter. It
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strikes at the core of humanity, dismantling the foundation of
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trust in which societies are built. So it sounds like
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