The Theology of Bodyoids

0:02 Looking at our world from a theological perspective. This is the Theology Central podcast making Theology Central. Good afternoon everyone. It is Saturday, March the twenty ninth, twenty twenty five. It is currently six twenty nine pm Central Time, and I'm coming to you live from the Theology Central studio located right here in Abilene, Texas. And I know what you're probably thinking. You just said good afternoon, and then you told me it's six twenty nine pm Central time, and you're absolutely right. I called it good afternoon. You know why, because it feels like it's four in the afternoon, and I didn't realize the time until I said it. And then I'm like, I should have said good evening, So let me let me just do it again. Good evening everyone. It is Saturday, March the twenty ninth, twenty twenty five. It is currently six twenty nine pm Central Time, and I'm still coming to you live. It's still coming to you from the Theology Central studio located right here in Abilene, Texas. Now, it was such a peaceful, calm moment in time. I was sitting here listening to the Angels play the White Sox, listening to baseball, because if there's any sport that's made to listen to, I think baseball was made for radio. Right now, I wasn't listening to it on radio, was listening to it through the MLB APP. And then I think, well, no, yeah, that

1:32 game I was listening to through the MLB APP. Sometimes I listen to baseball through the Serious XM app. But I was listening to baseball. It's peaceful. There's just something calming about it. It's relaxing. Just sit back listening to a baseball game. It's perfect, right. It just I know it sounds very like antiquated, but maybe maybe it feels nostalgic, but listening to baseball on radio or in our case, an app, it just it feels right. Everything feels right in the world. The world may be on fire, but listening to baseball, everything feels right. So everything was calm, good, maybe kind of a little feeling of the past. But all of a sudden I was interrupted with the present because I received a news notification and I just sat there going, wait, what what What if I were to tell you that scientists are right now proposing the creation of lab grown human bodies, bodies without brains, bodies without consciousness, bodies supposedly without a soul, and they're going to grow these bodies for the purpose of organ harvesting, medical research,

3:05 and yes, even meet consumption. What if I was to tell you, would you be like I think, maybe you were listening to the baseball game. You had a seizure, and now you've woken up, and you had you had some kind of crazy dream after you had a seizure. It wasn't a dream. Now, I was listening to the baseball game and then was interrupted with this news article that's telling me that scientists are now proposing the creation of lab grown human bodies, bodies without brains, without consciousness, without a soul, for the purpose of organ harvesting, medical research, and yes, even meat consumption. These entities are called body OIDs, body OIDs, b O, d y i DS, body OIDs.

3:55 And while they may lack sentence, you know, maybe they're not sentiment. Maybe they are not they lack sentience. Maybe they bear an unsettling resemblance to human life. Maybe maybe they lack sentience. Maybe maybe they like that, but they bear an unsettling resemblance to human life. Maybe they lack Do we say consciousness, do we maybe they lack a soul. Maybe we I mean, I'm trying to find the right words, right, I mean a sentience. The right word I don't know is consciousness. The right word is soul, the right they obviously are supposedly lacking these things. But well, that looks like a human body. So what we're going to attempt to do today is we're going to kind of dive into this mind bending development. I'm going to try to explore what bodyoids are. We're going to try to define them, how scientists believe they could change the future of medicine and even meet and why this proposal is stirring up a store of ethical and thiological questions. Is this the new frontier in biotechnology or a dangerous step towards commodifying the human body, just turning the human body into a commodity that you can sell. You just mass produce human bodies and then you sell them for things. We need meat organs for people to do medical research on. What

5:30 does this mean for how we understand personhood? What does this mean and how we understand dignity? And what does this mean about understanding the image of God? They say, I don't believe this is a scientific conversation. There is a scientific aspect to it. So let me make this clear. There is a scientific aspect to this. There is a medical aspect to this. But obviously this podcast is called Theology Central, So I'm going to look at it more from maybe a more aspect, maybe I think most importantly a philological aspect, and I think it's a conversation we need to have because typically Christians are way behind. Now, if I go way, way, way, way, way way back into my archives, I've talked about the discussion of this happening right now a lot of people when they first started talking about this, sometimes you would hear this more on the like what would be kind of labeled the conspiracy programs Coast to Coast AM or or maybe some Bible prophecy program that kind of trafficed at least to some level, and conspiracy theories, and they would talk about some of this and you would just kind of say, this is crazy. But even sometimes on those programs they would stumble upon things that are accurate or true or be maybe ahead of everyone else, and that sometimes then gives it a sense of well, I gotta believe everything. No, you always have to question everything. But sometimes you've got to give them, you know, programs like that, credit for

7:01 really being first on some ideas that people may think are bizarre or crazy and then come to find out they're not so bizarre or crazy. And this is one that I think there was some warnings about, but I think for the most part, we kind of all just moved on with our life looking at the next thing going on. But this now raises some questions. And for the Church at large, what typically happens is we are reactive, We're not proactive. We react. We need to be proactive. We need to be proactive, but typically Christians wait until after the fact and then we have to then respond. We should be the first ones discussing this. So we're going to try to unpack, at least to some level, the science. I'm not going to say I'm going to get all of that right. I'm gonna I think I will do pretty good trying to analyze the implications. I'm going to try to analyze the philological consequences. I think I can do a pretty good job there of what I guess some may call the body oid revolution the body oid revolution. I mean, it's just a strange word.

8:09 The body OIDs. The theology of bodyoids. Okay, what like, what does that even mean? So let's begin with the news notification that I received. This is the this is what I saw in my notification feed over my dead body, And I was like, WHOA, what is going on over my dead body? So when I kind of expanded the notification, it said, over my dead body, spare human bodies grown and artificial wombs in lab as. Scientists insist body ooids feel no pain and can serve as meat. And I just kind of sat there, going, I'm trying to listen to a baseball game that's actually just actually it was kind of not much, not very exciting in some ways.

8:57 I guess if you if well, okay, we won't talk about the base but I'm like, what it so over my dead body? I mean, it's a mouthful. Here, spare human bodies grown in artificial wombs and lab as scientists insist body OIDs feel no pain and can serve as meat. So then when I click on it, it takes me to a news article, and then the kind of underneath that headline is the researchers insisted on moving forward with this revolutionary plan. Then the first paragraph Underneath that kind of headline and subheadline was cutting edge. Scientists have unveiled a disturbing plan to grow soulless, spare human bodies that can be used for medical experiments and even meat. The so called bodyoids would be grown in artificial wombs and have the eerie ability to withstand endless pain. All sounds crazy now again, I'm gonna make it very clear. This is nothing new. This has been discussed and numerous even I've talked about it on this podcast a long, long, long long time ago, and maybe even before this podcast and other broadcast that I've done, because I've heard about it and heard about it and always thought, and I

10:27 think I always framed it, what if what if this was to occur? We need to start thinking about it now, because the time's going, it's going to show up and we're not We're going to have to figure out how do we understand it from a theological perspective. So I've been asking for people to think about it for a long time. I'm not saying that this one news article indicates that were you know, almost out there, but I do know this. If you'll go to Google and type in body OIDs b O D Y O, I D S body oid. Well, you just look at all the articles. So there is a lot of discussion going on today about this, So let's kind of start with a definition, right, Let's start with defining bodyoids. Body ooids is a proposed term for lab grown non sentient human bodies that are cultivated from stem cells and artificial wombs. Right now, I think I was trying to say sentient earlier, right, I was trying to come up with a word. Do they lack sentients? Are they not sentient? Do I go with that word? Do I go with consciousness? Do I go with soul? Like I was trying to come up with the word. Here in the actual definition for body ooids, they use the word sentient, right, a proposed term for lab grown, non sentient human bodies that are cultivated from stem cells and artificial wombs. Now, if we look at

12:00 let's do something here, because this I'm already going to jump to the theology here, maybe already jumping to the theology. I probably shouldn't already jump to the theology. But I'm going to do something here. If we look up the definition, right, if we look up the definition for sentient, oh, sentient. I'm calling it sentient sentient. I'm saying it in correct anyway, Sentient I apologize there, okay, the ability to perceive or feel things, right, I was doing sentient sentient? All right? You see here we go. Let me make sure here sentient, sentient or sentient? Right? Hang on, sentient sentient? Well, what's the correct way sentient sentient sentient? I don't know anymore?

12:53 All right? Who knows? Okay, So it's capable of sensing or feeling conscious of a responsive to the sensation of seeing, hearing, feeling, tasting, or smelling. Right, So sentient will go as sentient or can we go as sentient? Can we go as sentient? That's the way I was saying it, all right? So am I right? Or am I wrong? I don't know, that's all Miriam Webster gives two different ways of saying it. All right, So sentient, I'm gonna go with sentient. Maybe that's my West Texas coming through. So I gotta think this through though, right. So if sentient, I'm gonna go with that capable of sensing or feeling, conscious of or responsive to the sensations. Now there's the consciousness there, right, Because just because something could sense or feel, or just because something would have the sensation of seeing, hearing, feeling, tasting or smelling. If someone, if something is just has those feelings. They can feel, they can hear, they can see.

14:07 Does does that make it? In other words, I get, does that make it? Like does it have a soul? Well, what we don't think. We don't believe animals have a soul, right because but they can, they feel, they hear, they sense, so that would that's not quite getting us too. Well, that's a person with a soul. But if they are sentient or sentient, however you would like to pronounce this word is is it alive? You can have life, but does that have a soul? Now? See, now I'm getting into a very philosophical philological discussion. So let's go back to this definition of bodyoids. All right. Body ooids is a proposed term for a lab grown non sentient or sentient human bodies. I'm going with sentient ladies and gentlemen, non sentient human bodies. So they're human bodies, but they don't have any ability to feel. Maybe I'm assuming they can't hear, they can't see. They're cultivated from stem cells and artificial wombs. These entities are intentionally engineered to lack consciousness, no brain function, or the ability to feel pain, and are developed for purposes such as medical research, organ harvesting,

15:41 and potentially even ethical meat production. So what are the key characteristics of a body ooid, non sentient, or sentient designed without brains or nervous systems to avoid consciousness or pain? Now here's the question, right, So I'm just a question. If something doesn't have a brain, doesn't have a nervous system, does that mean it has a soul? But if it's created in a lab, then does that remove then even the ability? But then, oh, this gets into all kinds of reproductive things when people are seeking help for reproduction. Right, Like where is this gets into a lot of ethical questions? Right?

16:38 How are they designed? Okay? Well are they are? They are cultivated from stem cells and artificial wounds. But okay, but they're not sentient. They're design without brain cells, brains, I'm sorry, without brains or nervous systems to avoid consciousness or pain. They're grown artificially, created using stem cells and developed in artificial wombs. That's been repeated now numerous Timeslitary a utilitarian purpose and tended to serve as biological resources for organs or tissue, not as living persons. So they are used as a utility a utilitarian purpose. They're just to serve as a biological resource a right, They're not to be seen as a living person. Now, if we break the words down, body refers to the physical form or structure oid, meaning resembling or like, often used for artificial or imitation versions of something android humanoid. This is a body oid. It's not an android, it's not a humanoid.

17:44 It's just a body. It's just a body developed for utilitarian purpose. So bodyoids means body like entity, human in form, but not in mind or your soul. That's what a body oid is, all right, Okay, hmm, that's now. Well, okay, I'm already wanting to say I want to just immediately jump to the philosophy into the theology, that's why. But I got to try to I gotta pace myself and try to get through all of these other details. So let's go to the news article, right, and what I did I kind of summer I have a summary of the news article. I did use artificial intelligence to help me hear artificial intelligence Intelligence gave me the definition of body oid. It gave me the definition of body oid, and then I asked it to break down the article.

18:39 Instead of reading through the article, I said, summarize it for me. The article from the U Then the one I gave to artificial intelligence was from the US Sun, because that's the one that showed up in my notification system. The article from the US Sun discusses a proposal by three scientists to develop body OIDs lab grown nonsense sentient human bodies cultivated in artificial wombs. Please note, artificial wombs has been used over and over and over and everything that I keep reading to you, and nonsentient is used over and over and over and over and over and over again. All right, so those terms are used multiple times. And when I was stumbling around trying to do I use the word or not use the word, well obviously everyone is using the term right now. And I'm glad that I stumbled because then we looked at But the reason I looked it up is I was like, well, when I start thinking about is this alive? Does it have a soul? Then the idea of okay, all these things keep saying nonsentient or nonsentient, depending on how you want to say the word. And so when I looked it up, I'm like, okay, well that talks about feeling, that talks about seeing. Okay, but animals feel and see, they don't have a soul. So, because that's going to become a question when this if this is where we're going.

19:59 But everything wants to everything wants to overemphasize this idea of they're not sentient, all right, So they're lab grown, non sentient human bodies cultivated in artificial wombs. These entities would be engineered to lack consciousness and the ability to feel pain, making them suitable for medical research because you could do anything to them, right, You could do any kind of medical research. You could inject it with this, do this, do that, and it doesn't matter. It doesn't feel any pain, making them suitable for medical research, organ transplantation, and even as a source of meat. The scientists argue that this approach could address ethical concerns associated with animal testing, right because in many cases animals are used to test things, which is kind of horrible, but that's what happens. This would be well, you're using a bodyoid, you can do whatever it doesn't feel anything. It's not conscious, it's not sentient, and it could even offer meat for meat for consumption by providing alternatives that do not involve sentient beings. Animals feel, animals see animals here, animal sense, Well, we kill them for food. Well, how about if we can just create a body or a body ooid and then consume it for meat because it doesn't feel anything. Now, the only problem is it's human bodies. Like, are they talking about growing like an animal bodyoid? I don't know, Like, where

21:33 does this stop? I don't know? Now the outline of the proposal, here's kind of the outline of the proposal. Number one, creation of bodyoids, right, stem cell utilization employing plory potent stem cells to grow human like bodies plury potent stem cells. I think that's the way to state that to grow human like bodies, artificial wombs developed, developing these entities entirely outside of human body, using artificial uteruses, genetic modification, ensuring the absence of brain development to prevent consciousness and pain perception. So that's kind of the outline for the creation. You're gonna use stem cell utilization using pluripotent stem cells to grow human like bodies. You're gonna use artificial wombs, and then you're gonna do genetic modification to ensure that there's no brain development, and you're going to prevent the consciousness and pain perception. Alrighty, this is man just a lot to try to process. So then what are the potential applications medical research? Providing models for testing new drugs, potentially reducing reliance on animal testing. I guess if it's a human like body, would you even need to do any human testing after that? If the body oid can do it and it's I mean, I don't know, but you could have definitely reduce animal testing.

23:02 Organ transplants serving as a source for human organ harvesting, potentially alleviating donor shortages. So you wouldd have like a warehouse just in theory. I'm just speculating, you could have a warehouse of all these bodyoids, like we need this. Go grab the body oid and say, okay, we're gonna take this organ. We're gonna take this organ. We're gonna take this organ. We're gonna take this organ, and then you save a life. Right now? That sounds that sounds good. Meat production offering an ethical alternative to traditional meat by producing human derived meat without causing suffering. Now, all right, no animals would suffer. But if it's human derived meat, now have we entered into some level of cannibalism and where does that play out philologically? So now let's try to explain this and analyze this. Let's try to dig into this a little deeper. Here. The concept of creating what would what was being known is called bodyoids. It does intersect with advancements in biotechnology, particularly in the realms of stem cell research and artificial organ development. By cultivating human like bodies without consciousness, scientist aims to mitigate ethical

24:34 dilemmas inherent and current practices, such as animal experimentation and organ donation shortages. The proposal suggests that bodyoids could provide a renewable and ethically sourced supply of human tissues and organs, potentially revolutionizing medical treatment and re search methodologies. So so let's forget the meat part. Let's just forget the meat part. Let me just ask you, Okay, So scientists can create a human body. It's non sentient, it doesn't have consciousness, it cannot feel any pain, does not have a nervous system.

25:19 It does not have a brain. All right, we can then take that body and then take all the organs we want from these body ooids, all the organs we want for transplants, possibly saving I don't know, I don't have I don't I can't say how many transplants occur each year and how long the wait list is for specific organs. I know there's typically a long wait list. I don't have the exact statistics in front of me. But let's say this could save innumerable number of lives, prolong people's lives, save lives, help eliminate some suffering from some diseases. What if it could revolutionize medical testing so that animals don't suffer and maybe be able to speed up medical research. Not just think of all the things that that could possibly revolutionize medicine. Move it forward, so you'd have a never ending supply of organs and a never ending supply of bodies to use and testing, possibly making medical advancement move quicker, all of those possible life saving things benefits. Does that kind of eliminate in your mind the ethical concerns, the theological concerns. Do you just see it as a utility, a utilitarian purpose. Hey, it's just a body. It's doesn't have a soul, doesn't have

26:50 a mind to create all the bodies you want. Do do you have kind of a more pragmatic perspective? Look at the lives it can save. Now, the meat part may raise some issues, but the other part, it's just a utility. It's just yeah, make it and use it, save lives. Is it crossing some line? So I asked Ai? Okay, Well, what are maybe the implications? Ai says this proposition raises profound ethical and philosophical questions the creation of human like entities even without consciousness. Challenges are understanding of human dignity, identify identity, and the moral status of artificially created life forms.

27:40 The potential use of body aids as a meat source further complicates the discourse, evoking deep seated taboos and ethical considerations surrounding cannibalism and the commodification of human biology. You turn the body into a commodity, but it's a fact grown body. So are you are you? Are you commodifying this is commodifying human biology. But you're commodifying lab grown human body. But it's not a I mean, we don't see it as having a soul. It's not even sentient, okay, using that term that was used multiple times. I'm glad we got into that discussion because when you understand sentient, well, animals are so okay, so that that would immediately prove that even with that, you wouldn't you would not be talking about a soul, but you would be talking about then something that feels that That's where the ethical concern is.

28:38 So if this thing cannot feel, cannot sense, cannot even hear or see, then okay, then are we are commodifying human biology? But is it ethically? Does it cross an ethical boundary at that point? So if we look at it from a philological particularly within say a Christian ethic worldview, maybe the proposal to create and utilize bodyoids, maybe it necessitates at least some possible careful examination. I think the first thing most Christians would go to, and I asked AI kind of how Christians would view this. Ai said the issue of sanctity of human life would probably become one of the first things discussed, because Ai says Christian doctrine emphasizes the inherent dignity and sanctity of human life, rooted in the belief that humans are created in the image of God. Yes, humans are created in the image of God. Humans are humans are, But what creates us, what makes us in the image of God. It's not physically right, What puts us in the image of God? Consciousness? Right, spirit?

30:02 We have a spirit, We have a soul. Right, we have a sense of morality? Right, and in what we're creating the image of God. And it's not the physical form. Right, It's not the physical form that makes us in the image of God. It's our We have an eternal we have a soul that lives forever. We have a sense of morality, we have a you know, we have we have consciousness, we have we think we have there there's there's certain things that make us, that creates us in the image of God. It's not just the physical form. So if you create a physical body, but it doesn't have those things that really create that really puts something in the image of God. Right, it doesn't have consciousness, it doesn't have an eternal soul, it doesn't have a sense of right and wrong. Like, if it's missing some of those elements, then can you say, well, a body ooid is not creating the image of God. It's just created in the form of a human body. But the human body is not what puts us in the image of God. Right, So does a bodyoid then become an issue?

31:15 The deliberate creation of human like entities, even without consciousness, may be viewed as undermining this sacredness. I don't know. Does it undermine the sacredness? I don't think it does, because it's not the body that makes us sacred, right, It's just not the physical form. Theologians might argue that life even in a nonsentient form, say, now, even AI goes back to that sentience. See, I knew that that word I was. I was struggling to find the word right then. I was afraid I was saying it incorrectly. But I'm gonna I'm not gonna go sentient. I'm going sentient. I'm gonna go that way. When we look that up, I'm like, but you know again, an animal, I think, by all definitions, is a SENTI being right, it feels its senses right, it hears, it sees all right, it doesn't have a soul, and are basic understanding from a Christian it's humans that are giving a soul, right, So even if it's in a nonsentient form. If it's not even that, well, then could with theologians possibly argue that it should not be manufactured or turned into kind of an instrument for utilitarian purposes? So instruments, Yeah, do we turn human bodies into instruments for for a as a utility, as a utilitarian purpose. So I'm just trying to find

32:48 a lot of this. I'm struggling to find the words. So if it's nonsentient, has no consciousness, has no brain, therefore it would have no soul, it doesn't even truly possess life, it's just the body. But yet it could be utilized. I mean, it would be a commodity. It would be utilized to save life. Preserve life. Ah, that raises So I struggle with this here, right, because then, because when you start trying to draw the lines, this is where it always gets confusing. Right, Well, can you do this? Can you do this? Well? If you can do this, what about this? So some theologians might argue that life, even a nonsentient form, should not be manufactured or basically turned into an instrument for utilitarian purpose. Now I raised moral implications of cannibalism. Now this one I think it gets becomes maybe a little bit more complex, right.

34:06 The consumption of human derived meat, regardless of its origin, confronts long standing moral prohibitions against cannibalism. Even if the meat is produced without harm to sentient beings, the act of consuming human flesh could be seen as violating natural law and moral order, potentially desensitizing individuals to the value of human life. Discussions within Christian ethics often emphasize the importance of maintaining respect for the human body, both in life and after death. Now, the consuming of these bodies as meat, that is a little I'm a little disturbed by that. I'm like, I'm not so. My question would be, okay, if you can create a human body, a body ooid that's in a let's just say body oid. It's just a lab grown body. Well, if you can do that for humans, why can you not do that for a cow, a chicken? Why can't you do it for that? But it would have no it wouldn't be sentient, it would have no feelings, it would not feel any pain, it would not be aware, and then you just harvest it for meat. To me, that would make more sense than doing it with human bodies. Right that that that part is weird to me, Like, where did that come from?

35:30 I don't think I've ever maybe in the past this was discussed, but I always heard this disgust about organ transplant organs and medical research and not the meat. The meat part threw me off this time because I tried to keep up with this to some level. So this development caught me off guard a little bit. Hey, I said, what about playing god? The endeavor to create bodyoids may be interpreted as humans attempting to consume or to assume a divine role in creation. This playing god concern reflects apprehension about overstepping boundaries set for humanity. But see I struggle with this, Hey, don't play god, you can't create this.

36:12 But again you get into some really touchy subjects, right again about people who maybe are infertile and then you use certain techniques to hopefully help them produce a baby. Well, how far do you go before you're kind of human beings are involved in this process, You're you're controlling it, you're guiding it, you're directing it. So when do we cross the line. And we've already started playing god, and once you get once you cross the line, in one area, where do we just draw an arbitrary line. Go, No, okay, we're not playing God here, we're only helping people. But here now we're playing God. Well wait a minute, aren't you still helping people? So I don't know. Philological perspectives often caution against hubrists and scientific advancement, advocating for humility and reverence for the natural order established by God. Well, if we go by the natural order again, how far do you take this? Right? I mean, something happens to you medically, and they hook you up and put you in a medical induced coma and keep you alive through the use of different you know, medical devices until they can repair this or fix this? Is that playing God?

37:37 Is that going too far? You get a disease and you're dying, but medicine can intervene and remove the disease. Fix Is that playing God? I mean, because the natural process would be You've got the disease. Now you're going to die of the disease unless we as humans intervene and play God. We stop it, we remove it, We fix this, we fix that, we fix that. We try to stop this, we try to stop that. You I mean, all the different things we do I mean, are we not already playing God? So where do we stop it? You said, well, it's okay to play God in these thirty seven ways. But who whoa, whoa, whoa whoa whoa Woah, this is a step too far. But when who makes that determination that it's a step too far? Is it arbitrary?

38:32 How about ethical alternatives? While while the intention to reduce animal suffering and address medical needs is commendable, philological ethics may encourage exploring alternatives that do not involve the creation of human like entities. For instance, advancements and plant based research models, synthetic organs and non animal based meat substitutes could align more closely with ethical principles that honor the sanctity of life without introducing morally ambiguous practices. But again, when you say this would be more in line with the sanctity of human life, You're not creating life, right, You're creating a non sentient, non conscious, no brain, no nervous system, no anything. It's just you're not creating life, are you? Or is it considered a lot? I get what? Now?

39:22 How do we define what life is? Right? If it's a body though, just a But if it doesn't have a brain, but if it has a heart, does it have a heart, but the heart's controlled by the brains. All right, So then was it like I don't know, Like I say, I would have to get into some very specifics here. Some of you are more medical experts than me, so I may need you your expertise here, So I asked AI, I said, can you conclude this? Ai says, well, the proposal to develop bodyoids aims to address signals eificant ethical issues in medicine and food production and introduces complex pillological and moral challenges. Engaging with these questions requires a multidisciplinary dialogue. Please note, if we're going to deal with these questions, we need a multi disciplinary dialogue, meaning like for me, I can handle the theiological I may not be able to handle all of the scientific and medical right, I can deal with philological issues. I can even deal with theological terms. I may get the word sentient wrong, okay, when I was trying to find that word right. So it's going to need multi multidisciplinary dialogue that we're going to have to consider scientific innovation alongside ethical, philosophical, and thilological reflection to navigate the moral landscape. Responsibility. Responsibly,

40:57 I should say, we have responsibility to try to navigate this. Now here's one of these things I talk about this people like this is just crazy, this is insane. Whatever happened to the good old days? Right? I mean there'll be a lot of people who don't really care. But again I say, I've said this for years. We're gonna wake up one day and we're gonna be like, uh, what do we do? What do we do? What do we do? Now? The discussions before was even some of the discussions before. It takes it a step further. You don't create a body oid that's nonsentient, no consciousness, none of that. You create almost now I wanted to call it a clone, maybe a humanoid. You create something that seems to be alive, seems to be alive, right, and you use that for to do this or to do that, or to help serve or to or or what if you do this? What what if you do? Because we talked about a lot of these concepts, some of these are still theoretical. What is and there's been a lot of discussion about this. Scientists basically can create designer babies.

42:20 This has been talked about a lot can go in and genetically modify, can can do everything there for this new born baby. And you can determine size, hair color, gender, you can do you can you can decide all of these things and you can create it. So it's it is most likely protected from this disease or this disease. It's not gonna get this disease. It's not gonna get so in other words, you basically create almost like the perfect person. They're not gonna lose their hair. They're not going to They're not gonna do this. They're they're gonna they're not gonna have a natural inclination to for a They're not going You can just I mean, I don't know how far you can go, but basically they're going to be they're gonna look wonderful, they're going to be designer.

43:09 In fact, there there's articles out there about designer babies. You can create babies that can at least genetically be avoid all of the difficulties and the and the negativities that can people can be born with. It's that a step too far, I mean, because you're like, well, they're created by God? Where they created by God? Are they created by us? What if we create some kind of living entity. It's actually it is sentient, it feels, it hears, it's conscious, but we we created it. Does that have a soul? I mean those are questions that go way, going, way back beyond what this article is talking about. This article is talking about. So let me go back through this.

44:07 So what if I was to tell you that scientists are now proposing the creation of lab grown human bodies, bodies without brains, without consciousness, without a soul, and they're going to create them for the purpose of organ harvesting, medical research, and even meet consumption. These entities are called bodyoids. And while they may lack remember this is where I was trying to figure out a word sentience, sentience do we use that there? They lack consciousness, they like a soul, they do bear a resemblance to human life. And remember, bodyoids is defined as a proposed term for lab grown, non sentient or sentient human bodies that are cultivated from stem cells and artificial wombs. These entities are intentionally engineered to lack consciousness, brain function, or the ability to feel pain, and are developed for purposes such as medical research, organ harvesting, and potentially even ethical meat production. Remember the key characteristics non sentient designed without brains or nervous systems to avoid

45:42 consciousness or pain. They're grown artificially, created using stem cells and developed in artificial wombs. And they have a utilitarian purpose, intended to serve as biological resource for organ or tissue. They are not to be viewed as a living person. They are not a living person. Again, it may sound like science fiction, may sound crazy, but how far away are we from it? Do you support it? Are you against it? Now? The minute you say you're against it, all I ask is then you've got to think carefully about how you're framing why you're against it, so that you are logically consistent, because when we get into these issues, consistency becomes very difficult to maintain. All Right, I'll stop there.

46:41 I do apologize for the whole sentient sentient discussion, but I think it was important because it got me to look up that hesitation for me trying to find the word, got me to look it up, and once I saw well that's once I remind myself of the definition of sentient, then I was like, well, okay, with that or without that. I mean, an animal is sentient. But we wouldn't say it has a soul, so that okay, all right, that that that is irrelevant to the discussion. Right. So but if it's not even that, but it doesn't even have a brain, okay, all right, So if you remove all of that, then is it even alive? And if it's not even alive, then okay, I don't know. You say, well, where do you fall on this? You can hear me struggling to figure I'm trying to figure this out in real time with you. I don't have the definitive answer.

47:35 I'm trying to. Look. I was simply listening to a baseball game, and the next thing, you know, my, my peace and tranquility of listening to baseball, something that feels nostalgic and antiquated, was interrupted by Hey, we're gonna create bodies that you can eat. Well, wait, what's going on? What I'm trying to listen to baseball? So yeah, I mean I I went from listening to baseball to going live trying to figure all of this out in real time. So that's yeah, that's where that's why I was stumbling and struggling, struggling through some of this trust trying to process it right, I was trying to process it in real time with you. All right, I'll stop there. You can oh. As I've laid it down, I've kind of placed it before you. Now, gather the family around and discuss bodyoids pro or negative. God bless