The Chosen and the Bible

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Looking at our world from a theological
perspective. This is the Theology Central podcast

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making Theology Central. Good afternoon everyone. It is Friday, July the fifth.

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For some weird reason, I was
about to say June the fifth.

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But why would I say June the
fifth when it's the July the fourth weekend.

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I should know it's a holiday weekend. It doesn't feel like that in

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any way, shape or form.
So let me try this again. Let

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me make sure I say this correctly. Good afternoon everyone. It is Friday,

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July the fifth, twenty twenty four. It is currently three fifty pm

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Central time, and I am coming
to you live from the Theology Central studio

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located right here in Abilene, Texas. So you're sitting, let's say,

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maybe in a coffeehouse. Maybe you're
sitting somewhere and you're reading your Bible.

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You have the Bible. You're just
reading the Bible and you're enjoying reading,

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and you're thinking, and you're meditating, and maybe you're writing down some notes.

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Maybe you're involved in kind of a
small study. Maybe you're doing a

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devotional method study. Maybe you're doing
a chapter summary method and you're just reading

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along, you know, minding your
own business and someone walks by and goes,

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oh, you like reading the Bible? And yeah, I love reading

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and studying the Bible. Well that's
awesome. Let me tell you about a

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TV show that brings the Bible to
life. Now, do you put your

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Bible down and go ooh, tell
me about this. I want to know

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about this TV show. Do you
get excited that someone made a TV show

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that supposedly brings the Bible to life? Is that like something you really are

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into? Do you love that?
Or do you have a little bit of

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apprehension? Is there a little part
of you going well, okay, well

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go ahead and tell me about it. But you know, I'm a little

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skeptical now when it comes to a
TV show show that attempts to bring the

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Bible to life. Do you have
kind of a certain standard or a certain

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you know, kind of a requirement
that you want that show to meet in

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order to bring the Bible to life? Or or you're like, you know

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what, just do whatever you want, just make it entertaining. Like do

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you do you have any concerns?
Do you do you think the following I'm

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going to give you three Do you
think that a TV show that attempts to

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bring the Bible to life. Should
at least adhere to these three things I'm

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about to give you? Or do
you think these three things I'm about to

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give you is could these are radical
ideas? Crazy ideas? And if anyone

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holds a TV show to this standard, they're just being absolutely ridiculous. Would

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you tell me what you think?
Are you ready? All right? Here's

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a show they're trying to bring the
Bible to life. That's what the attempting

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to do. They're taking the stories
in the Bible and putting them on your

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television screen or a movie screen,
or wherever it's going to be shown.

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Okay, you get all excited,
But do you think what you should expect,

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what you should demand, is that
the TV show adds nothing to the

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scriptures, takes nothing from the scriptures, and changes nothing in the scriptures.

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What do you think? Do you
think that that's crazy talk? Do you

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think that that's just radical? Do
you think that's being phariseical? Do you

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think that's being judgmental? Do you
think that's being arrogant? Again? Let

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me give it to you. Let
me give these three again to you one

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more time. You may want to
write them down that a TV show that

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attempts to bring the Bible a lot
laugh life. They should not add anything

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to the scriptures. They should take
nothing from the scriptures, and they should

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change nothing within the scriptures, add
nothing to them, take nothing from them,

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and change nothing in them. Do
you think that that's at least a

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decent idea. Now you may say
that's just ridiculous. I don't know where

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you come up with this stuff.
Well, some could argue that the three

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things I gave you may have some
kind of a maybe their starting point place

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would be possibly in the scriptures themselves. Because if you've ever read the Book

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of Revelation, you probably have read
this verse Revelation, chapter twenty two,

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verse eighteen. Revelation, Chapter twenty
two, verse eighteen. For I testify

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to everyone who hears the words of
the prophecy of this book. If anyone

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adds to these things, God will
add to him the plagues that are written

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in this book. And if anyone
takes away from the words of the book

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of this prophecy, God shall take
away his part from the Book of Life.

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Now, at least that lays down
specific rules when it comes to the

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Book of Revelation. Now one could
argue, do those rules expand beyond the

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Book of Revelation because the Book of
Revelation is not the only book that we

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believe is given by the inspiration of
the Holy Spirit. It's not the only

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book that we believe is God's word. So would in all of God's word,

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at least in theory, you should
say, you know what, we

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should not add to it, we
should not subtract from it. I think

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most would agree. But that's those
two principles. How about if we turn

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to the Book of Proverbs, the
Book of Proverbs, chapter thirty. What

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if we read this Proverbs, chapter
thirty, verse five. Every word of

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God is pure. He has a
shield to those who put their trust in

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him. Do not add to his
words, lest he rebuke you and you

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be found a liar. Now,
this translation says add I think some have

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more along the idea changing. So
do you think that we have at least

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some biblical support of not adding,
not subtracting, and not changing. I

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mean, if it's God's word,
logic would seem to dictate that's God's word,

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We're not to add to it,
We're not to subtract from it.

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And how dare we attempt to change
it. What do you think? Think

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I'm being fair? Think I'm just
being absolutely ridiculous. What do you I

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mean, you may think I'm ridiculous
anyway, But what do you think?

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What do you think? What do
you think? What do you think?

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What do you think? Well?
I feel to some level that I have

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found myself in conflict with a good
portion of Christianity over this very type of

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scenario. Because it was years ago, you can probably go back to our

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archives and find that I've addressed this
on a number of occasions. I started

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getting emails have you seen the TV
show that Chosen? Have you seen it?

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Look, you can stream it online. You can have the Chosen app.

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You can use the app. Oh
have you seen the Chosen? Have

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you seen the Chosen? Have you
seen the Chosen? And at first I

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just kind of ignored, ignored,
ignored, ignored, because I knew that

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it was a no win situation.
If someone emails you like, can't have

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you seen this? This is amazing? You know, just delete your email

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and move away, because it's inevitable
that most likely your response is going to

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be discouraging or disappointment to them,
or you're going to have to just say

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I don't know what's so great about
it. I think the thing is completely

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trash well that that's not going to
be very very go very well for anyone.

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So in many cases I just ignored, ignored, ignored, because and

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I don't typically do that, but
I just or I would just kind of

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reply with a very like yeah,
I've heard about it, you know,

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thanks for telling me about it,
something along those lines, very noncommittal to

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my opinion. But I was like, oh, man, I know,

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I know this is that this many
people loving it. I mean, I

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hate to say this to me from
a theological perspective when everyone's praising it.

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Now, I got to be careful
here because my flesh, my normal personality

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is everyone loves it. Oh it's
got to be trash, right, because

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I just tend to go against the
majority. So I already knew that that

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was already going to be a little
bit of a problem. But I also

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knew if it's a TV show trying
to bring the Bible life, I seriously,

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I am seriously questioning it because I
guarantee you they're going to be adding

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to and subtracting from because they're making
it into a TV show they've got to

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add dialogue that's nowhere in the Bible. And not only that, the way

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they capture a scene is they're imposing
what they think the emotion was. They're

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imposing and maybe that's maybe that's you
imposing it on the text. But the

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text itself does not articulate clearly how
we should interpret the emotion or the tone

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of voice or the inflection. Because
how you hear someone say something greatly can

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impact how you understand it. Well, once people start watching the television show,

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they will now take that and place
that onto the scriptures, and that

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that is problematic. So I was
like, oh no, Well, finally

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I looked at the website the app
and immediately started having some issues. And

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then you know, I kind of
criticized here or there, because you know,

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I would watch some scenes and I'm
like, that's nowhere in the Bible

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that that dialogue never happened. Where
where is this coming from? And so

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I had a little bit of pushback, a little bit of pushback, and

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but I didn't really want to get
too much into it. Well then,

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unfortunately, someone in my church was
like the chosen isn't it great? And

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I'm like, what, No,
it's not great. It's not great,

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and there was, like, you
know, there was immediate pushback. They

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didn't like I push back. Now, ultimately they left the church. So

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you know, that was probably a
pretty good sign, right, if you

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like the Chosen, I'm probably not
the right the right church for you,

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Okay, so I said, But
I said then I was just getting frustrated

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by the situation. I'm like,
okay, whatever. Well, then I

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started reviewing some sermons from a charismatic
church that were supposed to do a one

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year, one in a year half
journey through the Gospel of John. And

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then their sermons they there was at
least two of them, maybe three of

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them, they played clips from the
Chosen, and I'm like, what in

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the name of bubblegum is going on? No no, no, no,

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no, no no no no no, no, no, no no.

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And they played these clips and I'm
like, that's nowhere in the buck,

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that entire conversation, everything that just
happened there, that is not Why would

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you play this in church. You're
supposed to be teaching from the Gospel of

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John. Now you're taking from this
embellishment, this this dramatization that is not

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accurate. It is taking away.
It is too it's changing, you cannot

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and you're doing it in church.
Oh then I lost my mind. And

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then okay, well, then at
some point I gave up and trying to

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review those sermons because oh, that
was one of the worst series I've ever

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seen in the history of humankind on
the Gospel of John. And I'm not

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trying to be mean, but I
mean I should have known going in.

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Me and me and charismatic world,
don't we don't mix very well. So

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then I was just I'm just then, I've just had it right with the

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show. I'm just done with the
show. Then the next thing, you

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know, there's controversies because I guess
someone did some kind of like filming showing

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the they were filming the showing the
filming of The Chosen. I guess in

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some of the tents or areas where
some of the crew of that that's making

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The Chosen, they had like a
I don't know, a gay Pride flag,

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and everybody lost their minds. And
then so then people were attacking the

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makers of it. And then I'm
kind of like, well, wait a

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minute, wait a minute, if
they're making a show, and then like

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then it was all going back and
forth, but the whole thing, I

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just wanted to stay out of it. But I know that there are people

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who have strong, strong filiate feelings
about it, and so then it kind

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of makes me question, why do
you have such strong feelings for a TV

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show? What your strong feelings?
Shouldn't it be for the actual scriptures,

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not a show that's using the scriptures? Like, shouldn't your strong feelings be

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for the accuracy of God's word,
not for whether someone agrees or disagrees with

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your show? Like it just seemed
like misplaced loyalty? How dare you go

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after the chosen? It's a great
show and millions of people are getting saved.

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How dare I whoa whoa whoa whoa
whoa whoa. You seem to be

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more loyal to the show than you
are to the actual word of God.

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Shouldn't your loyalty be like, well, I need them to be more accurate

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to the actual words. And if
you're really accurate to the words, does

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it really make I mean? Was
the Bible ever intended to be turned into

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a dramatization? Was the Bible ever
intended to be turned into a television show

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or a play? Was it or
was it to be studied, to be

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read, to be memorized. I
don't know if there's ever Clearly, I

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don't think there's a scriptural you know, there's no scriptural mandate. Clearly,

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no scriptural mandate. I don't think
there's a scriptural example, take this and

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go turn it into a movie.
I don't think that. I think it's

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no to read. I think we're
told exactly what to do with it.

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So again, I think at a
minimum, you should be like, well,

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I don't want the TV show to
add anything to God's word. I

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don't want it to take away from
God's word, and I definitely don't want

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them to change it. I think
that that's a bare minimum. And it's

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funny because those things I just read
to you, they're found in the latest

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or the June seventh issue of the
sort of the Lord. They have this

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little section and they just have this
like right in the middle of the page,

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it just says, and coming to
the Word of God, we do

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well to remember that we should add
nothing to it, take nothing from it,

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and change nothing in it. And
I just thought that that was like,

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wow, how appropriate is that for
this thing about the Chosen? Now?

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Why am I talking about The Chosen
Well. I received an email and

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someone pointed me to a resource.
The resource is a new booklet on the

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Chosen The new booklet is entitled The
Chosen and the Bible. The Chosen and

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the Bible Serious Considerations that can't be
ignored. It's a new booklet that is

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entitled The Chosen and the Bible.
Serious considerations that cannot be ignored, that

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can't be ignored. Now, I
think you can find this. I'm going

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to be sending the link out to
this booklet. You can purchase physical copies

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for relatively cheap for a dollar ninety
five. If you have like a bunch

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of friends and family or people in
your church you want to give these out

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to. Now, just please note, okay, hang on, let's make

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this clear. If you know there's
a bunch of people in your church who

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love the show, don't hand them
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your pastor's approval. If you're outside
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is promoting The Chosen Well, then
don't you can give the booklet to your

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pastor. Don't give it to people
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promoting it, it's not your job
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church is promoting. If you're going
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you give your concerns directly to the
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you may need to leave the church. But don't sit there and be trying

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to then contradict what the church is
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not. No, that's not And
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you got a student for the truth, stand for the truth by leaving,

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nothing good comes from that. You
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hey, I don't know why you're
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concern. He may go and I
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may say it in a nice way, and then you can say, well,

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thank you so very much, we'll
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make sure you handle it correctly.
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church, and well, then that's
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whomever you want if they go to
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least consider the bigger picture, because
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just the show. It's well the
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of your church and not bringing it
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pick and choose those battles. Okay, So I'm gonna tell you about the

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booklet, and then I'm gonna tell
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it becomes our app. I'll send out

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a notification and a little bit.
But hang on, let me. I

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think you can find it. I
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to me via email. All right, hang on, let me look here.

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could. I could probably give you. It's from Uh, it's from Lighthouse

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Trails. Lighthouse Trails, So I
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I think that that's the website,
and you should be able to get

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where you are. But I will
send this out and if you if you

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want a copy of this booklet,
you can email me news if at yahoo

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dot com. That's NEWSI f at
yahoo dot com, and I'll just send

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you a link. I'm not gonna
there'll be no other thing. I'll just

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send the link and there'll be no
nothing else in the the email. So

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don't be offended if I don't say
hello, greetings. It's just going to

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be the link. That's all.
There's going to be, okay, right,

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because just makes it a lot quicker. All right. So here's a

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little bit about this new booklet,
The Chosen and the Bible. Serious Questions

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that cannot be ignored or can't be
ignored. Lighthouse Trails is pleased to announce

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the release of a new booklet,
The Chosen and the Bible, Serious Considerations

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that Can't be Ignored. This is
a Spiritual Research Network publication and has been

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a collaborative effort of SRN LT and
other concerned ministries and individuals. The booklet

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is eighteen pages long and sells for
one dollar ninety five cents for single copies.

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Quantity discounts are available. These booklets
are designed to give away to others

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or for your own personal use.
Below is the content of the new booklet.

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If you would like to order this
booklet, click here. You may

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also check out srn's new The Chosen
Resource Center, and they have an entire

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Chosen Resource Center with things about the
show all right now. In many cases,

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I feel like I don't know when
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In some cases, I feel like
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I think there's been a few voices
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think in many cases a lot of
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like the gay Pride flag showed up
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everybody's like, oh no. And
it's like, well, you're worried

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about that. You're not worried about
the fact that they're changing or adding or

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taking away from God's word. You're
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How like, Hey, sometimes the
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get caught off on some you know, a separate issue. But they go

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on to say this, all right, so the Chosen and the Bible serious

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considerations. They can't be ignored.
I know I've said the title now fifteen

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times. That's okay, that's where
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And it says introduction. Come now, let us reason together, saith the

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Lord Isaiah one eighteen. Then they
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hugely popular TV series that purports to
present plausible backstories about what creator, director,

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and co writer Dallas Jenkins calls the
authentic Jesus. Please note they purport

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to present plausible backstories about what creator, director, and co writer Dallas Jenkins

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calls the authentic Jesus. Well,
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pages of God's Word, not plausible
backstories. The Chosen was born in twenty

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seventeen, feels like it was one
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when three Mormon businessmen approach Jenkins with
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crowdfunding deal. Now let's stop right
here. This is where some accusations start

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being made. Right now, as
you read this Booklet I beg you,

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I plead with you. Make sure
you fact check to the best of your

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ability, every accusation and every claim. Use multiple sources, use everything available

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to you to fact check. To
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What I am doing here is pointing
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you to do your own research on
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If it starts off with three Mormon
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if that turns out to be factual. I don't know why all Christians didn't

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have a problem, because I don't
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is not biblical Christianity. Mormonism is
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religious system. It is heretical.
Right, but three Mormon businessmen approach Jenkins

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with the idea for the series and
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project was reaffirmed and endorsed by God
in twenty eighteen, when he was visiting

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Israel, felt God was telling him
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world as the definitive portrayal of God's
people. Jinkin recounts in an interview.

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Now I'm going to read here a
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have Mormons, and we have someone
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ladies and gentlemen, like, let's
just wash our hands of this and go

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pick up our bibles and just move
on. Everyone else can go watch a

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show that was originally come up with
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someone who where God supposedly talked to
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historical, Christian, all of that
is right there should just be like I'm

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done. But no, no,
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no, if you dare criticize it, people, I am still shocked that

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anyone in my church would have ever
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how that would be, even like
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think anyone has ever listened to me. We like, well, obviously he's

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not going to agree with that.
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no, no no, I'm the
bad guy. What okay? All

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right, But here's the quote.
This is from an interview. Now again

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you need to verify this. Now
I do have footnotes for this, so

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you can check the footnotes and track
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felt like God was saying, like
the Chosen is going to be the definitive

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betrayal of my people, and this
is what people are going to think of

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around the world when they think of
my people, and I'm God not going

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to let you and I'm just gonna
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So God, this is what God. This is a God project.

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God's in it, and God's not
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basically you know what that's saying.
See, oh, I hate this game.

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Pastors play this game all the time. You know what is Jenkins is

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saying there, Well, you can't
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God is not gonna let me screw
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ups. And the Chosen because God
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because God not only told him to
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no mess ups in it. Ladies
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true, If that is accurate,
we have to fact check all of this.

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If that is even remotely true,
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I can. The article continues.
In another interview, Jenkin describes his

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growing brother and sisterhood with people of
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the same Jesus ladies and gentlemen,
Mormons don't love the same Jesus. It's

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not the same Jesus. It's completely
different. So no, how many problems

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do you need with this? Show
how many? In spite of the fact

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that this back to the article,
In spite of the fact that Mormonism is,

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by the Bible's definition, a pseudo
Christian cult. In regards to The

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Chosen, Jinkin admits that ninety five
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and in twenty twenty four YouTube posting
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it is important to watch the Chosen
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again, if any of that is
true, ladies and gentlemen, you should

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be scared, absolutely to death.
You should be scared that anybody you know

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is telling you the Chosen, the
Chosen, the Chosen. No, those

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people have lost all ability to have
any form of discernment. Now again,

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we'd have to verify every one of
those quotes. They have footnotes to these,

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so we'd have to go find the
footnote, find the source, look

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up the source, and see if
we can find any verification anything in this

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booklet that is wrong. You need
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you misquote, you bore false witness, and that's not accurate, and that's

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not fair. Right, I'm pointing
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sure I'm stating dogmatically that we have
to fact checked all of this before we

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can be dogmatic about any of it. But it's raising concerns that if these

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things turn out to be true.
Come on now, right, all right,

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here we go now the next paragraph. Author William Paul Young's two thousand

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and seven novel The Shack was a
number one New York Times best seller,

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selling over twenty million copies worldwide.
The book has been read in love by

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both Christians and the world as well. It eventually became a Hollywood movie and

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twenty and a twenty week series on
Christian television. Now, let me make

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it very clear. The fact that
any part of Christianity accepted the book The

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Shack. Look, if you want
to know the condition of Christianity, the

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fact that The Shack could find any
audience, could find any church that would

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support it is the is just shows
you Christianity is beyond sick. They're like,

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there's an entire segment that's just so
lost its ever living mind for years,

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as any criticism of The Shack was
usually countered by Shack fans with hey,

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it's just a novel. Yet in
twenty seventeen, ten years after its

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original publication and in the midst of
his TV series, author William Paul Jung

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openly declared what many had long suspected
that he was a universalist. He had

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also gone on record stating that The
Shack was more than just a novel.

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He said, The Shack is theology, but it is theology wrapped in story.

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Yeah. I've talked about so many
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the Christian world because somebody in the
Christian world seem to have lack any ability

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to actually interpret a story like I
always talk I talk about film analysis like

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Christians. This is what Christians do. If someone says the book is good,

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okay, then the book is good. And if someone says the book

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is bad, the book is bad. What many Christians lack the ability is

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to take a book of any kind, a movie, a song, and

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actually analyze it, actually try to
understand what's being said, how it's being

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mad made, what is the message, what is the story arc, what

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is the plot development like look and
no, no, no, no,

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it's just like book bad, Book
good, Harry Potter bad, Lord of

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the Rings good. That's about as
deep as they can go. Well,

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well, let's take this story apart. What's the story arc? What do

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you think the overall message? How
did they make this way? No,

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I don't care about any of that. I don't care good bad, That's

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all I know. Well, that
kind of my And what's said, As

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many kids are raised in that kind
of a Christian home, someone tells them

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something's good, someone tells them something
bad. How about tell them how to

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process, how to read, how
to think, how to analyze. We

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see Christians were told the Shack is
good. So many ars like, well,

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the Shack is good, and if
you criticize it, you're the problem.

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The Chosen good. You criticize it, you're wrong. How about we

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do a little bit of analysis,
research, We try to understand the origin,

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the formation, the philosophy behind it. Oh no, no, no,

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no, no, no, no
no no, how dare you do

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that kind of stuff? Today?
The Chosen TV series has been viewed by

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millions of people around the world.
It's devoted fans have donated millions of dollars

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to the series record breaking crowdfunding campaign. Now that's what blows my mind.

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People have spent millions. People have
given their hard earned donations, millions upon

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millions of dollars to make a stinking
TV show, instead of spending all of

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that millions of dollars to promote the
preaching of God's work, or here's more

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importantly, buying Bibles and giving them
to people, but the Chosen millions upon

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millions of dollars raised. Any biblical
criticism of the Chosen is usually countered by

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Dallas Jenkins and Chosen fans with hey, it's just a TV show. However,

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Jenkins seems to be already be following
William Paul Jung's Shack universalism path,

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as he uses his highly visible Chosen
platform to introduce mystical New Age Catholic universalists

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like Richard Rohrer Are I guess that's
how you would say his name ro o

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h R and Brother Lawrence to his
ever growing fan base. So he's been

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promoting some people that are questionable in
their theology. Obviously, the lesson Christians

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should have learned from the Shack has
been lost amidst all the Chosen fanfare,

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and the lesson is that fictional false
Christ can be used by our spiritual adversary

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to clearly condition and deceive people,
and short what seems to be just a

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novel or a TV show can turn
out to be something completely different. Lest

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Satan should get an advantage of us, we are not ignorant of his devices.

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Second Corinthians, Chapter two, verse
eleven. See if you like something,

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it's just this? How about we
got to think a little deeper than

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that. Now they propose twenty questions
to ask number one, not what it

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seems? What if the chosen?
Here's the question, what if the Chosen

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is not what it seems? Countless
Christians have been subtly drawn in by the

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shacks cleverly presented arrant theology, but
for the pose praying, paying close biblical

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attention, the Shack was seen for
what it was, not for what it

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seemed to be. The novel was
a clever device to introduce unsuspecting readers to

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a different Jesus and a different theology. And for those taking a deeper look,

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what becomes very apparent is that the
Chosen is like the Shack, It's

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not what it seems. There is
a way which seems right unto a man,

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But the end thereof or the ways
of death Proverbs fourteen twelve. What

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if there's more to it? What
if it's not? What if it's leading

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you in a false direction? Have
you even considered that? Now? I

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think that's a good question. There's
second question. I'm a little bit more

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skeptical about. Their second question is
have you ever stopped to pray about the

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chosen? I hate that question.
I hate that question, and the reason

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why is because people are like,
well, I prayed about it, and

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I think it's okay. Heard,
I've heard people say that about many really

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question the prayer jabez or or the
shack or I could go on and well,

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I prayed about it and I felt
a piece in my spear. Oh

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well, just for crying out,
I'll just forget it. Just forget it,

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Okay, that's the that's the I
prayed about it and I felt peace

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about it. Okay. Well,
then, you know, I've heard people

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use that to justify basically everything on
the under the sun. All Right,

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So they go in about, you
know, praying about it, and I'm

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not I'm not a fan of that
concept. I know you're gonna say,

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well, so what you think it's
wrong to pray about it. No,

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you can pray about it. But
my determining, determining of wrong and right

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is not based off a feeling I
get after praying. I determined wrong and

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right by digging into scripture and then
considering what the scriptures say and what how

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should I view this subject from a
scriptural standpoint that requires work, time,

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effort, and thinking. And I've
already given you some I started this with

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three basic principles. Does it add, does it take away? And does

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it change? If it does any
of those things, we got a problem,

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Ladies and gentlemen. The next question, have you noticed that what the

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Bible describes as strange slips, snares, tears, and levin have been suddenly

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and not so subtly inserted into The
Chosen's multi season episodes. For example,

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in the Bible, Jesus says of
John the Baptist that no one born of

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women is greater than him, Yet
at times the Chosen refers to him as

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creepy John. Verily, I say
into you, among them that are born

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of women, there hath not risen
a greater than John the Baptist. Matthew

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eleven eleven. Now, the fact
that they refer to him as creepy John,

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that's probably putting the words into people
who would have been critical of John.

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But see, it's just putting forth
a fictional idea. Unless you've got

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a scripture where someone says that,
now you're just adding to the story.

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That's my problem. My problem is
not what is said. My problem is

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I take that back. Let me
make sure I help explain this. My

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problem maybe what is said. But
my real issue is is it adding?

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Is it being adding to the scripture
or taking away from the scripture? Are

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you putting something there that doesn't belong
there. I don't care that they called

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him the word creepy. My issue
is where did who came up with the

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idea that anyone said that? That's
my issue. I could go find actual

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criticisms of John and go, this
is what was said negative about John?

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All right? In the Bible,
Jesus never seeks the counsel of men,

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because he speaks only what was given
to him by the Father, Yet the

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chosen, Yet the Chosen's. Jesus
seeks Matthew's counsel and how to begin his

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sermon on the Mount. Now,
I don't know if I've seen that.

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But if Jesus is asking someone how
he should begin to sermon on the mount,

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that's utterly insanity, Like, I
don't know how any Christian could sit

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through that. But again, I'm
not you can go all of this.

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I'm just pointing out the things that
they're pointing out. You would have to

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verify. Now again, they give
footnotes for all of these. Right they

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quote some scripture. He says,
the Bible is clear that Jesus was not

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only arrested once, and that was
in the garden of Gassetamie. He was

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okay, The Bible is clear that
Jesus was only arrested once, and that

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it was in the garden. He
was not arrested prior to the garden because

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his time had not yet come yet. The Chosen Jesus is prematurely arrested before

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the garden. Right now, you
can you can. You can look at

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that and see the Chosen's fictional backstories
are filled with many other strange slips.

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Snares, tears, and Levin taken
in their totality, they serve to undermine

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and cast out on the very Bible
that warns about them. Right now,

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they go through. There's there's the
rest of the booklet. The point is

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these backstories, these these incore anything
that's incorrect. Now, remember Jenkins made

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it sound like God said, I'm
not gonna let you screw it up.

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So he's already given the foundational argument
that you can't point out any of the

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criticize any of these things because this
is what God wanted. Well, that

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would have God contradicting his own word. So then we've got a major problem.

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So I am going to send out
a link to this booklet and let

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me see if I can find you
the address so that you don't have to

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Yeah, you see here, if
you go to a hand I'm gonna go

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light light how Now there you see. I think I can find it really

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quickly. Here. Oh yep,
there we go. Okay, if you

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go to lighthousetrails dot com, lighthousetrails
dot com, lighthousetrails dot com. Once

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you get there, you just scroll
down. You'll see a booklet on romans,

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on psalms, on global warming as
in the days of Noah, the

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Chosen, and the Bible. There
you have it right now. I think

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if you click on it to read
the full content of the book. Click

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here, there we go. They
have five hundred and fifty five of them

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00:38:20.400 --> 00:38:22.480
currently in stock, so there's plenty
of them to purchase if you want to

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00:38:22.480 --> 00:38:24.719
buy a copy, But you can
just read it right there by going to

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that website, so Lighthouse Trails dot
Com then look for the booklet. Now,

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I'm not saying I agree with everything
this ministry puts out, because I

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guarantee you I will not. What
I'm saying is they're raising concerns about the

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Chosen. You may not agree with
all the concerns that they raise. You

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may think that they get some other
information and correct and by all means contact

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them and tell them that they should
correct it, because they should if there's

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any fraudulent information in it. But
every criticism they offer should be great,

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should be carefully considered by anyone who
thinks the Chosen is wonderful or great.

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You don't have a problem with it, or it should be greatly of great

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interest to you if your church promotes
it in any way, shape or form.

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If your church promotes it or at
least or at least and even if

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they're not promoting it, they seem
passive. There's people in the church who

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loved it and they're not giving a
warning against it, Well, then you've

519
00:39:22.519 --> 00:39:29.559
got to do something then at that
point, but I'm going to send a

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link out to the booklet. I
want you to look at the booklet.

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I want you to research it for
yourself. I want you to consider it.

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I look, some people may want
me. I know I've had people

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go, well, you should go
through each episode of The Chosen and then

524
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point out where things are not accurate
with the Bible. For crying out loud,

525
00:39:46.639 --> 00:39:51.760
like I'm going to dedicate you know, the next fifteen years of my

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00:39:51.880 --> 00:39:55.440
life. You own a Bible,
open it up, watch the show and

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00:39:55.480 --> 00:39:59.199
go, wait a minute, that's
nowhere to be found. Wait a minute

528
00:39:59.280 --> 00:40:01.400
that's nowhere to be Wait a minute
that's no. Wait a minute that completely

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contradicts that. You figure it.
You should be able to do that,

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right. It shouldn't require my spending
the rest of my life. I mean,

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I don't want to spend that one
I would have to watch the show,

532
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and I don't. I have no
desire to watch it. I have

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zero. And people say, well, when I first say that I have

534
00:40:17.840 --> 00:40:22.800
no desire to watch it, people
almost always offend it. Why would you

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not want to watch it, all
right, just okay, I'm going to

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tell you a secret. Why would
I want to watch a TV show about

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the Bible when I have it right
here. I've got the Bible right here,

538
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and I've read it fifty sixties,
probably one hundred times. By not

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I even know how many times I've
taken Bible college classes, seminary classes,

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you name every Bible institute class.
I've gone to school, after school,

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to school, reading the Bible,
studying the Bible, taking classes on the

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Bible, writing papers on the Bible. I don't necessarily want to sit there

543
00:41:02.559 --> 00:41:06.840
and watch a show attempting to try
to bring it to life, because I've

544
00:41:06.880 --> 00:41:08.880
already got and look, here's what
I know. Whatever the show does,

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no matter how good it does or
how bad it does, here's what I

546
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know. The Bible is supposedly the
infallible and errant word of God. It's

547
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perfect that the Bible. The Bible
is supposedly living and active and sharper than

548
00:41:22.639 --> 00:41:25.559
any two inch of sword. The
Bible is my spiritual food. The Bible

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is to be loved more than gold
and silver than food. The Bible.

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I have enough issues with just me
and the Bible. I don't need to

551
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then watch a TV show that may
or may not be one hundred percent completely

552
00:41:37.559 --> 00:41:42.239
messed up and how it portrayed.
Why I just read the Bible. I

553
00:41:42.239 --> 00:41:51.440
don't get it. Why do we
need something else? So the booklet is

554
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called The Chosen of the Bible.
Twenty questions to ask yourself. Serious considerations

555
00:41:55.039 --> 00:42:01.519
that cannot be ignored and s are
in publication Lighthouse Trails dot com. And

556
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again, I don't agree with everything
at light house Trails dot com. You

557
00:42:05.400 --> 00:42:07.400
will not agree with everything at light
house Trails dot com. I'm not saying,

558
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Hey, everything there we are in
complete agreement with. I'm not saying

559
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that. What I'm saying is get
this booklet for free, because I'm going

560
00:42:15.079 --> 00:42:17.840
to send you the link using the
Church one app. You look at it,

561
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and then you can say, if
you're a fan of the show,

562
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then you did. Your issue is
with the booklet and the show. Just

563
00:42:24.639 --> 00:42:28.920
leave me out of it. Okay, if you're a big fan of it,

564
00:42:28.960 --> 00:42:31.320
don't get mad at me, all
right. My issue is you should

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00:42:31.320 --> 00:42:38.920
think about that show. The origins
of the show are massively questionable. Some

566
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of the things said about the main
person making the show are highly questionable and

567
00:42:45.360 --> 00:42:51.800
the well basically made up backstories which
are nowhere to be in the Bible which

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here and I know what people say, Well, so what it's a fictional

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show. I know it's a fictional
show, but it's adding things around the

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Bible. Here's the thing. You
may not do this, but many people

571
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will watch that and then they will
take that what they've seen, and it

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00:43:05.679 --> 00:43:10.679
will it will impact how they interpret
certain segments of the Bible based on what

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they've seen. Even though they know
that maybe it's a fictional backstory, it's

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still going to impact to some level
how they read the Bible. From that

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00:43:20.360 --> 00:43:22.800
point on. When they read the
Bible, they're going to see in their

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minds what they saw on the chosen
That's not the way it should work.

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We've got enough problem. Look,
two thousand years of church history. Nobody

578
00:43:34.199 --> 00:43:36.840
can agree on the Bible as it
is. The last thing I need to

579
00:43:36.840 --> 00:43:39.519
do is bring in a fictional TV
show to even make it more complicated to

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00:43:39.559 --> 00:43:43.960
get right interpretations of the Bible.
I got enough problems on my own.

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So the link will be sent out
and probably with the next five to ten

582
00:43:52.880 --> 00:43:55.239
minutes. So you need to do
really quick. Is you need to go

583
00:43:55.280 --> 00:44:00.400
download the Church one app churchne Okay. All you do is go to Google

584
00:44:00.400 --> 00:44:05.320
Play, Apple App Store, download
the church n e app Church one,

585
00:44:06.239 --> 00:44:08.679
do a search for Theology Central.
Boom, it becomes our app, and

586
00:44:08.679 --> 00:44:13.000
then you'll get a notification and you
click on the notification, there'll be a

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hyperlink. Boom, you're at the
booklet. You sit there and read the

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booklet and you can go to town. You can argue with it. You

589
00:44:19.639 --> 00:44:21.920
can yell at it, you can
scream at it, you can throw it

590
00:44:21.960 --> 00:44:23.719
across the room. Well you'll be
throwing your phone across the room or your

591
00:44:23.719 --> 00:44:29.159
tablet. You can disagree, say
this is the most ridiculous thing ever,

592
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and that's great. And you may
just find a way to prove without a

593
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shadow of a doubt, that the
Chosen is the greatest thing that's ever been

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made. In fact, it's as
good as the Bible. And that's great.

595
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If that's what you want, you
go do you. But as for

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me, I wouldn't be a part
of a church that has anything to do

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with the show, and I don't. And if I knew Christians who thought

598
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it was the greatest thing in the
world, at some point we would have

599
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to have a conversation because there's just
someone. Someone's got to take a stay

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00:45:00.039 --> 00:45:05.920
and against it and guess what,
it doesn't always work. Trust me,

601
00:45:06.000 --> 00:45:10.159
I know. But the show's got
problems. Now, to be fair,

602
00:45:10.239 --> 00:45:15.639
we've all got problems. I'm not. My criticism of the show is not

603
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because I'm godly. Criticism of the
show is not because I'm sinless. The

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00:45:20.719 --> 00:45:25.199
criticism of the show is because,
as a broken down ciner who's got nine

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00:45:25.280 --> 00:45:30.440
hundred problems, the last thing I
need is to watch a show that's adding,

606
00:45:31.119 --> 00:45:35.880
taking away, or changing the word
of God, because I need the

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word of God as it was given
by God, not as it's being reshaped

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