March 28, 2025

Spare Parts Room in Heaven?

Spare Parts Room in Heaven?

A look at a statement made by Bill Johnson

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A look at a statement made by Bill Johnson

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Looking at our world from a theological perspective. This is

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the Theology Central podcast making Theology Central. Good morning everyone.

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It is Friday, March the twenty eighth, twenty twenty five.

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It is currently eight fifty two am Central Time, and

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I'm coming to you live from the Theology Central studio

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located right here in Abilene, Texas. Now, I don't know

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about you, but for me, I haven't even had breakfast yet,

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I haven't done all the things I probably need to do.

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But I was watching well. I went to check YouTube

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just to see if anyone had left any comment, because

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sometimes people will leave some rude comment or something, so

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sometimes I will respond. Sometimes I leave them. I just

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usually just to check to make sure there's nothing out there.

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So I went and when I went to look, there

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was a recommended video. That YouTube was like, hey, we

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think you may be interested in watching this, So I

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clicked play, and I was like, no, I'm not interested

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in this. Why are you recommending this? This is complete

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and total garbage. Why are you doing this to me

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at such an early hour in the morning. I haven't

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even had breakfast. Okay, well, okay. I basically then started

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just talking out loud to myself, and then I'm like,

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you know what, if I'm irritated, if I'm frustrated, well

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then let me turn on the microphone so I can

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ruin everyone else's morning. Okay, so I'm here to ruin

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your morning. So if you haven't had your coffee yet,

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if you drink coffee, I don't know who does and

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why you would. But if you drink coffee, you may

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want to get your coffee. You may want to you

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may want to take your blood pressure medication. I don't

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know if this is going to bother you as much

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as it as it bothers me, because anything related to

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the charismatic movement bothers me to no end. I hate

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charismatic theology. As we talked about yesterday with Paula White

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and how to get those seven blessings, it sounds like

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you have to give them a thousand dollars to get

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seven blessings. But we won't go into that entire mess.

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But what I'm going to play for you here, so

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someone on YouTube. I'm going to start this right where

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they kind of introduce themselves, so you can go look

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up their YouTube channel and you can subscribe to them.

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But really, I'm not interested in anything they have to say.

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They have a clip. They have a clip from Let

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me see see if this name sounds familiar to you.

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They have a clip by someone named Bill Johnson. Does

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that name ring a bell? Bill Johnson the pastor of

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Bethel Church and Ready in California. We've talked about Bethel

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Church a few times. We've talked about it. I everything

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about Bethel Church is just insane to me. I don't

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know how they have any influence. I don't know how

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they have any power. I don't know how anyone listens

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to them. But to be fair, I don't know why

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anyone is drawn to charismatic theology. I don't know to

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be drawn to charismatic theology, what you basically have to

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do is you have to turn off your brain and

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ignore all of the reality around you, because reality around

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you contradicts everything charismatic theology claims. But for some weird reason,

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charismatic theology charismatic churches continue to be influential. They continue

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to draw in people, They build big ministries, they bring

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in gobs of money, They have publications and books and material.

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I don't get it. I will never understand I that's

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one of look just like you can't understand things I

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may struggle with, or my failures or my sin, just

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like you can't understand me. Well, I can't understand anyone

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being pulled into charismatic theology. To me, anyone listening to

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charismatic theology for five seconds should be like this is

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insane and I'm leaving. But so I can't understand it.

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That doesn't mean it's not a real thing, and that

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you know, people who've been in it can probably explain

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how they got pulled into it. But even if they

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try to explain it to me, I just never get it.

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But that's okay. I'm not saying anything negative about people

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who are pulled into it. I'm just saying I don't

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understand it. Again, just like if I was to explain

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my issues or my struggles or my difficulties are things

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I've been pulled into, you wouldn't understand it, Okay. So

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that and that's just the because people are made differently

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and think differently, and our brains are wired differently. So

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I mean there's there. I guess that's the explanation. I

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just have to try to be transparent and say why

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I come across sometimes, So angry at charismatic theologies because

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I just don't get it. I just don't understand the appeal.

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I don't get it. So we've talked about Bethel Church,

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but so this guy on YouTube, I'll try to put

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this all back together. I'm sorry, I'm getting I'm going

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to get into the philosophical differences in human beings and

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why we think different. I've got to get back on track.

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Here this person on YouTube, you're gonna hear him introduce

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himself here in a second. He has this clip from

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Phil Phil Johnson, not Phil Johnson, Bill Johnson, from Bethel

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Church and reading California. Now I want you to hear this. Now.

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I'm just gonna make this very clear. One. He does

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try to play the clip and some I mean, it

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gives it some context, but it's now nowhere close to

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full context. That's number one. Number two, I can't seem

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to currently find the actual sermon where this comes from.

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And number three, this concept that he's going to be

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talking about. All right, it's not completely new to the

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charismatic world. This has been talked about for multiple times.

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But this is what I this is what I stumbled

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upon this morning. So I stumbled upon it, so I'm

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gonna talk to you about it. So are you ready?

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Here we go. We're gonna go to well Bethel Church

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and Reading California. Bill Johnson's on the platform. There's all

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these people standing behind him. I don't really know the

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context of what's going on. I asked AI to help

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me find the sermon. I said, well, the specific sermon

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isn't directly available in the provided search rest results. You

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might explore the following sermons by Bill Johnson, which could

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contain similar themes, and then it gives me two sermons

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that are on YouTube by Bill Johnson. There's got to

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be a way to probably track this down. In some ways,

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I don't want to find it because if I find it,

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then I probably feel obligated to review the entire thing.

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And trust me, I want to move on from this

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as fast as I possibly can. But the concept, anyone

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who's kept up with the charismatic world, as soon as

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this concept is mentioned, you're gonna be like, oh, this

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concept is so common in the charismatic world. Multiple charismatic

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pastors have mentioned this kind of thing, So it's not

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anything revolutionary or out of the ordinary for the charismatic world.

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But it just drives me crazy. And what I'm going

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to try to do is, after we listen to this,

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try to kind of I don't know some lessons we

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can possibly take from it. So are you ready? Here

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we go. What you're getting ready to hear is the

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YouTube burr. The person on YouTube introduce himself. You may

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want to look up their channel. I'm not saying we

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would agree with it or disagree with it. I have

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no idea. You can go find it. And then he's

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going to play the clip. Here we go. Hey, everybody,

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Sean here and welcome to revealing truth. So let's hear

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this in context.

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And I know this sounds strange and I may be

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pushing the limit here, but I've had three or four

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friends that have actually seen in heaven a spirit utch room,

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actually have seen it. And in one of our in

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our school, somebody told our students about this, and our

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team was on one of our trips and a gal

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came forward in a wheelchair a horrible accent, and she

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wanted prayer. And she made a comment to the student

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that was praying for said, I don't even have an ECAM.

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I think I mentioned this last night. The student said, well,

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I'll get one for you, because she remembered there's a

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spirit parts for him. You say, where's that in the Bible.

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I don't know where it is. Just leave me alone.

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I don't know. She reaches up and comes down and

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lays her hand on her knee and prays for just

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a short period of time, and the Lord actually recreated aneecap.

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So I feel like part of the shift and what's

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happening here tonight that is going to continue and accelerate

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is going to be creative miracles. You will have people

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come that actually need a new heart. They will be

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functioning on twenty five percent of their heart. Fact, there's

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someone here tonight that you're functioning on like twenty five

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thirty twenty five percent or so of your heart. That's

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what you were told. And I believe the Lord is

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going to make all things new for you.

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And I want to.

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Encourage when.

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I I don't know what to say. Ladies and gentlemen,

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A spare parts room in heaven, A spare parts room

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in heaven. There's just a room in heaven filled with

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spare parts, kneecaps, legs, arms, hearts, I guess, brains, eyes, ears, bones,

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whatever you need it's just a spare parts room in heaven. Hey, hey,

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don't ask me where it's in the Bible. I don't

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know where it's in the Bible. Yeah, I know, because

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it's not in the Bible. It's nowhere in the Bible.

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But hey, that's okay, it doesn't matter. So God is

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going to do creative miracles, right, So he's gonna so

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there's someone here with your only your heart's only operating

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at twenty five percent. God's gonna create a new heart

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inside of you. Well, hey, Bethel Church, this is wonderful.

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This is great as someone has been in the military

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for was in the military for nineteen years active duty

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and then you know, I got medically retired because of

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everything that happened to me. I saw plenty of people

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come back from Iraq or Afghanistan without an arm or

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a leg. I'm sure you're making sure our disabled veterans

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now have arms and legs, right, because God's doing creative miracles,

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he can bring back those arms and legs.

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Right.

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This is the kind of and what it drives me crazy.

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On one hand, I just the people who teach this,

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they have to be just insane. I don't have any

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other words for it. But it's the people applauding. What

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are you applauding. You're being manipulated, You're being lied to.

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Look at the world around you. This stuff is not true.

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But he's not the first one that says it on

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this video. The individual goes on to share a number

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of other people who make these claims about going to

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heaven and seeing a spare parts room all of these parts.

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Bethel Church does this. I mean, it's very common in

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the charismatic world to do this. Hey there's a spare

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parts room in heaven. There is just there. It's just there.

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Now this same concept. I need to track this down now,

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now this just uh, this just kind of hit me.

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There is I think there's an illustration. It sometimes deals

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with prayer that there's like all of these unclaimed promises

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and heaven there's like these there's a like some that

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they still tell this illustration about praying and that someone

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that there was in heaven there's all of these unanswered

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prayers because are unfulfilled promises because people did not claim

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them or they did not ask for them. So I

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think maybe that's the kind of the origin of this concept.

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It may not even have started in the charismatic world,

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I'm gonna I'm gonna see if I can ask AI,

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because I just now thought about this. I've heard this

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kind of this idea, isn't They're a.

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Famous illustration that preachers may use about they're being in

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heaven a storeroom, a storehouse of unclaimed promises, etc.

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Okay, I'm gonna ask AI here, Okay, all right, yes,

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so so okay, here we go. AI says, yes, you're right.

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There is a well known illustration, often using sermons and devotionals,

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about a storehouse or warehouse in heaven filled with unclaimed blessings,

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unanswered prayers, or unrealized promises. So this concept goes way

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before Bethel Church or Bill Johnson. It has circulated for

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decades across various Christian traditions, particularly in prosperity Gospel, charismatic

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and revivalist circles. So I've heard this in very non

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caresmatic ideas that one day we're going to get to

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heaven and we're going to see this storehouse and we're

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going to be what's in that room, Well, those are

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all the unanswered promises and all the things you never

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asked for in prayer. You could have had all of

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these things. I remember hearing that in an independent fundamental

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Baptist church that hated charismatic theology, but the concept was there.

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Ai says. It usually goes something like this. A person

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dies and they go to heaven, and while touring heaven,

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they're shown a vast warehouse or room filled with beautifully

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wrapped packages. They ask what are all of these? And

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the angel replies, these are blessings and answers to prayer

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that were never claimed or received on earth. Sometimes it

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includes the idea that the packages had the person's name

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on them, that they were meant for that person, but

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due to a lack of faith, prayer, or obedience or knowledge,

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they were never delivered. Now where does this come from? Well,

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the story is not found in scripture. It functions purely

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as an illustrative device. The order is difficult to trace,

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but it has been used by evangelists to stir people

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to pray more boldly, prosperity teachers to push the idea

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of claiming promises, motivational preachers to urge people not to

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miss out on what God has for them. One early

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source that made this popular was likely the devotional God's

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Storehouse idea from authors like Norman Vincent Peale, or Oral

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Roberts style teaching, and more modern times, it often gets

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wrapped up with ideas like don't let your blessings go unclaimed.

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You have not because you ask not James four two.

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Activate your faith right. It's emotionally powerful because it plays

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on regret, possibility, and the fear of missing out on

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God's best. It promotes a God as a vending machine,

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theology that God has blessings ready to dispense if only

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you insert enough faith, only if you ask, only if

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you do certain things. It places to blame on the believer.

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If you are suffering, or if you are lacking, maybe

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it's because you didn't unlock what was waiting for you

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in heaven. It distorts the nature of God's promises. It

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turns them into individual material rewards rather than covenantal truths

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grounded in Christ, and it moves hope away from Christ,

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making heaven seems like a missed opportunity for personal gain

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astead of the place where the fullness of redemption is realized.

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The Storehouse and Heaven illustration is famous, but it is

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philologically problematic at best. It's motivation, it's a motivational metaphor.

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At worst, it's a manipulative guilt trip that misrepresents both

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God's character and the very Gospel itself. So when I

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hear this that immediately this spare parts room in Heaven,

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it's just kind of the next it's like the storehouse

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in Heaven two point zero. So it kind of starts

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off like, hey, guys, we don't pray enough, we don't

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ask for us well enough, we don't ask for enough,

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we don't do this enough. Well, what can motivate people

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to pray more? Well, let's tell them the story about

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a storehouse in heaven that has all of these packages

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and your name is on the package, and what is

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in that package all of the blessings and all of

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the promises that you did not claim. When you get

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to heaven, you want to find that there is no

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package with your name of it on Heaven because you

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have asked for everything, you have claimed every single promise.

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Don't do that, so now go pray more. That's how

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it kind of started. Bethel Church has just kind of

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now added the two point oh, the three point oh,

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the four point oho. I don't know what version we're on.

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Now there's a room in heaven filled with spare parts.

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You're missing an arm, you're missing a heart, you're missing what,

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you've got a traumatic brain injury. Well, all you got

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to do is ask in God, reach up into heaven,

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ask for access to the spare room. I guess you

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already have access to the spare room. Just reach up

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there and you can get a new brain. I don't

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know why anyone would die then, if God's doing creative

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miracles giving you new hearts, new brain, what are you

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dying from? What? What? Because everything can be replaced. You

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should have new knees, new arms, new mind, new at heart.

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Maybe you can get a face transplant, you can get

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rid of that faith. Maybe if you're losing your hair,

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maybe you can get a hair transplant. Maybe you can

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just look like Maybe we should all look like we

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are twenty one, twenty two and we have perfect bodies

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and perfect everything right. Maybe we could all get a

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new brain where we could be at least a genius

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level in our thinking. I mean, come on, Christians should

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be the smartest, perfect, we should be the best athletes

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because we can get we can get new parts. I mean,

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I mean, is that how it works? A spare parts

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room in heaven. Now, what is the problem with this? Well,

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let me go through a couple of things, right, I think,

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I mean, there's so many issues here, but I think

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we can learn. I got to try to give you

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some kind of practical lessons. I think this whole idea

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of a spare parts room, it highlights the danger of

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experiential theology over scriptural authority. Experiential theology over scriptural authority. Now,

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I want to make this very clear. All right, I

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want to make this very clear. What charismatics do. Hey,

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everything's about an experience. Everything's about an experience. Everything's about experience,

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and your experience becomes now really the source of truth

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versus scripture. So in this story about the spare parts room,

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they some students in his I guess school of ministry

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heard about this, you know, spare parts room in heaven,

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and so then well, hey, then they go ahead and

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utilize the concept as if it's true. And then they

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use it to give a woman a new kneecap. And

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even Bill Johnson's like, where's that in the Bible. I

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don't know, don't ask me, don't basically, don't worry about

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it because the experience trumps the Bible. Who cares what

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the Bible actually says? Experience experience, and this experiential idea

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goes beyond just charismatics, because there's lots of people who

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claim this is true, or this is true, or this

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is true because supposedly an experience they had. But your

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experience is not the source of truth. Your experience must

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be judged by scripture. Your experience is not the interpretive

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key to scripture. You interpret your experience through scripture. You

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do not interpret scripture on the basis of your experience,

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or you don't just add things to the Bible. So

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it highlights the danger of experiential theology over scriptural authority.

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Bill Johnson often emphasizes supernatural experiences, visions, and miracles over

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rigorous biblical exegesus. When experience becomes the ultimate source of truth,

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it opens the door to all kinds of unverifiable or

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even contradictory claims. There is no scriptural foundation for a

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literal spare parts room in heaven, so presenting such a

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vision as instructive or normative undermines this efficiency of scripture.

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And there isn't any storehouse in heaven with unclaimed prayers

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and unclaimed promises. So see Charismatics do this. Non charismatics

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do it. It's just to the level. What you have

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to do is stop people from saying things that are

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not in the that are not scriptural. Number two, it

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reveals how desperate people are for tangible miracles and how

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easily they can be manipulated. The imagery of a heavenly

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warehouse full of body parts offers hope for miraculous healing,

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especially to those suffering with illness or disability, but it

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creates unrealistic expectations and a theological framework where a lack

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of healing can apply a lack of faith, which can

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lead to guilt, despair, or spiritual abuse. If a miracle

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doesn't happen, people may be told they didn't access the

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right parts in faith, putting the burden on them. But

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I just want you to know how desperate people are

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for tangible miracles. The longer you live, the more the

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more you're going to desire and almost beg God for

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tangible miracles to heal someone, to fix this, to fix

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this problem, to fix this problem. When you watch, if

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you are, if you're caring for a loved one who

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slowly dying, You're going to be like, God, do a

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tangible miracle. If you have a child who's suffering with

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a disease, God do a tangible miracle. If you have

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been diagnosed with a horrible disease, God do a tangible miracle. Everywhere.

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The more you the longer you live, you're going to

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be confronted over and over with tragedy, with pain, with suffering,

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with disease, with with death, and you're gonna want God

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to do a tangible miracle. There are millions of people

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out there desperate for a tangible miracle. And the charismatics

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come along and offer this absolutely fraudulent story about a

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spare parts room in heaven, promising you as if healing

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is guaranteed because of what Christ did here and now

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people get their hopes up. They pour their life into it,

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They give their money, their time, their focus, and they

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and they're lied to and they're manipulated. And guess who

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benefits the charismatic church that brings in more people and

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more money. The charismatic minister on television asking for money.

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They bring in money. They bring in money, They bring

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in money, and it's just crazy to see miracles or

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see ministries that promise fake miracles to bring in money,

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more money, more money. And then you'll see other ministries

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that don't offer those fake promises can barely survive and

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they don't bring in a dime. But it does reveal

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how desperate people are. And people can get desperate. Okay,

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I don't know where you are in your life, but

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let me tell you, people can get desperate. You can

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look at your life and you never know where you're

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going to end up. You don't know if what you're

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going to end up with yourself, what disease, what disability

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you're going to be struck down with. You don't know,

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and you don't know the people around you what they're

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going to be struck down with. And you watch them

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slowly deteriorate day after day, day after day, they get worse,

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they get worse. Everyone knows they're going to die, and

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you just watch it, and you just watch it and

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you just watch it and God doesn't do anything now,

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and then you listen to someone saying, oh, there's a

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spare parts room that could fix it, or God's guaran healing. Well,

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then you get drawn into that ministry because it gives

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you some sense of hope, and all you're doing is

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being lied to and manipulated, and almost inevitably, what they're

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going to get from you is your money. Number Three,

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it exposes a transactional view of God. The claim turns

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God into a cosmic supplier of body parts, where believers

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claim or pull down what they want by faith, much

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like placing a divine Amazon order. This reflects a theology

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rooted more in Word of faith, prosperity gospel ideology than

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biblical teaching. This transactional view of God. We see this

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all the time. If you do this, then God will

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do that. This transactional by faith. In Christ, I have

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all spiritual blessings in Him by faith alone, by grace,

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because of His mercy right. So it's a transactional view

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of God. Next, it promotes mythological rather than thiological thinking.

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The concept sounds more like a fantasy fiction than a

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sober theological reflection. The line between visionary metaphor and doctrinal truth,

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which can confuse believers about what is real and what

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is symbolic and what is scripturally grounded. Yeah, it's it's

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mythological thinking. It's it's it's just crazy thinking. I don't

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I don't. Maybe using that it's mythological thinking sounds more academic,

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but it's just insanity to me. And then number five,

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it undermines the meaning of suffering and perseverance. The New

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Testament speaks much about enduring suffering, where for example, Tewod

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Corinthians Paul is not healed, and very little and and

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there's and very little about divine guarantees of physical healing.

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A theology that bypasses suffering with sensationalism can lead people

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to deny reality or feel abandoned when they're healing. Does

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it come these kinds of teaching? They tell us more

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about our modern human hunger for spectacle. They tell us.

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It tells us more about the power of charismatic authority

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and the philological shallowness and many church church circles than

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they do about God or Heaven. The real challenge is

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calling this out clearly, not just because it's stillologically questionable,

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because it's harmful. It's messed up, it's twisted, it's evil.

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There's no spare parts room, there's no storehouse, there's none

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of these kinds of ideas. It's not the way it is.

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So we start off our morning, yeah, making me extremely frustrated.

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But just please I. On one hand, look those people applauding,

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I get very frustrated with them, I really do. The

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people who get pulled into the cares nonsense, I get

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really frustrated with him because you try to talk to them,

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and man, they will just argue with you all day,

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quote scripture after scripture after scripture, so far out of context.

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They don't have a hermeneutical clue. It gets so irritating.

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But at the same time I feel bad for them

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because they get pulled into it. Now the leadership for

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charismatic churches. Man, I I to be honest, I don't

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have a lot of patience, and I know that's ungodly,

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and I try never to make it about the people.

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I try to make it about the ideas. But for

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the people who get pulled into it, I ultimately feel

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sorry because I know at some point, maybe right there

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there gung ho in there, and they'll argue with you,

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and they'll tell you that you don't you know, basically

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call your faith into question. That's okay they do that

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because I know sooner or later life is going to

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punch them in the face ten times and they're gonna

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come to the face with reality, and they're either going

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to have to continue to deny reality, and they're going

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to have to realize that it's just all the stuff

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they've been told is a lie. And and so you

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kind of almost feel sorry for them because you know

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that day is coming for the leaders man. They gotta

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know what they're doing. They have to, but they they

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they're so disconnected from reality that it's hard to know.

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Do you feel sorry for them? Do you do you

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want to get them help? Do they need counseling?

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What?

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What do they need? I don't I don't know. The

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charismatic world is insane to me. But there we have it.

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That's what I stole. That's how I started my morning

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by listening to Bill Johnson say, there's a spare parts

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room in heaven. But hey, the good thing about doing

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this we kind of This really goes back to, like

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I said, this, this goes back to if I can

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go back down here to my notes, it goes back

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to this idea of this well known illustration used in

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sermons and devotionals about this storehouse or warehouse in heaven

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with all of these unclaimed prayers and unclaimed promises. That's

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kind of where it really basically originated from. And then

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charismatics have just taken that concept, built upon it, and

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now all the way to well people have gone to heaven,

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have been taken to heaven and they saw the spare

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parts room. It's not just a warehouse full of unanswered prayers.

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There's a warehouse now full of well, spare body parts,

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and all you have to do is claim it, and

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you can have it. I don't know how anyone can

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look at charismatics and charismatic theology and say that's Christianity.

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That's my own opinion. I don't know how you can

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ever be seen as But there you have it. Thanks

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for listening, everyone, have a great day. God bless