April 10, 2025

SermonAudio: AI Generated Podcast

A discussion about a podcast on the SermonAudio platform

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A discussion about a podcast on the SermonAudio platform

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Looking at our world from a theological perspective.

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This is the Theology Central podcast making Theology Central.

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Good afternoon, everyone. It is Thursday, April tenth, twenty twenty five.

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It is currently one fifty pm Central Time, and I'm

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coming to you live from the Theology Central studio located

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right here in Abilene, Texas. Now, one of the major

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things we've been talking about in twenty twenty five is

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artificial intelligence. And I reference artificial intelligence and message after

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message after message because I'm constantly using it to help

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create outlines or help create a script, or help me

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write a narrative or whatever I'm attempting to do. I'm

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using AI constantly, and we have been talking about it.

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I've been talking about AI versus sermons that people write,

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AI versus the church, just a lot of conversations about

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artificial intelligence. So it came as somewhat of a shock

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to me that just a few minutes ago I stumbled

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upon something and I'm like, wait, wait, wait, where did

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this come from? How did I miss this? Is this

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what it sounds like? What actually is going on? So

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I'm going to need all of you to be detectives

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and start doing some research to try to find out

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exactly what's going on, because we don't get much of

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a description here. But here's what you need to do.

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Grab your sermon Audio app. Either we can call it

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the Sermons two point oh app, the Sermon's three point

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oh app, the Sermons three point one app, the Sermons

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by Sermonadio app. Just the sermon Audio app. Okay, there's

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been so many different ways it's been referenced to. I

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don't even know the correct way anymore. But get this

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sermon Audio app. Oh and if you haven't updated it,

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do the update. There's been an update release which makes

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like if you go to Discovery and you go down

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to the devotionals, you'll see it's all nice and improved.

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It doesn't open to the website. It opens up in

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the app. You have the Morning, the Evening, and then

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Faith Checkbook. All of it's right there. So I love that.

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I'm very I mean I haven't gone through all of

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the updates and all the things that they've done where

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they continue to work and continue to improve the Sermonadio

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app so that you have access to millions of sermons,

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about five to six thousand added a day or a week,

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I should say, and you should, you know, be utilizing

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it as much as possible. So I was. I was

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just looking around because I'm like, well, I always tell

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everyone we should use it, and there's times I'm not

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using it or looking at it. So I'm like, well,

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let me look around. See what's going on on the

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sermonadio app today. What interesting things can I find? What

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frustrating things can I stumble up on? What things will

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I agree with? What things will I disagree with? And

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I found deep Dive. Oh, deep dive. That sounds interesting.

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A deep dive always had a deep dive into theol,

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a deep dive into scripture, a deep dive into church history.

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What is this?

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It is entitled Deep Dive with the Digital Duo. Deep

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Dive with the Digital Duo. And I'm like, that's kind

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of an interesting you know, that's that's not something that

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sounds somewhat interesting. Deep Dive with the Digital Duo. I'm like,

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I want, what is this about? And then there's there's

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like a little thumbnail picture of a man and a woman.

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They both have headphones on, right, And I'm like, okay,

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so it's it's it looks like it's a podcast and

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it does the typical host and co hosts format that

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so many podcasts follow. You got to have the host

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and the co host and then their little banter back

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and forth. And people love that. They love that. It's

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very popular and very common. So I'm like, okay, all right.

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The the artwork looks pretty cool. It's got a microphone,

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which is some people. A lot of times people will

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tell you that for a podcast, don't put an image

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of a microphone because it's to cliche. I still like

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the idea. I still think it looks cool. But so

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it's a kind of a gray background white lettering Deep

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Dive with the Digital Duo. There's the microphone. To the left,

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there's a little picture of them, the man and the woman.

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And I'm like, okay, I've seen them. I've seen this

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a podcast, but I don't think i've listened to her.

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Maybe I listened to one, and I'm like, okay. For

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whatever reason, I didn't give it much thought. But then

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I looked at this, and then I looked at the

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description Deep Dive with Digital Duo twenty two sermons, and

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then look at the description Tune in for an upbeat

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AI generated podcast where digital host dive into the latest

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news and updates from sermon audio with energy, insight and

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a touch of wit. I'm like, well, wait wait wait,

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wait wait wait wait, so is this whole thing AI

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I generated not just the words but the host are

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actually it's AI speaking. Now. I gave you an example

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of that of you know, if I paid a certain

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amount of money, I can get AI generated podcast episodes

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for me where the voice speaks. But the voice it

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was very I mean, it sounded good, but it was

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just kind of this, you know, almost like this direct.

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The pacing of it wasn't great, is what I'm trying

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to say. It's just like very like did it's like whoa,

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how about some pausitives or some there? There was some

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things and that about it that wasn't great. But if

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you kept working with it, and I kept, you know,

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playing with it, then probably I could make it even better.

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But of course, the amount of money to get that

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to work, I don't know if it was ultimately worth it,

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but it would have been interesting to be able to

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provide you know, content around the clock. Right, I can

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do a broadcast, AI can do five broadcasts. I can

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come back and yeah, I could make it twenty four

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to seven. So The idea that the technology is out

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there and it will become more and more available and

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it will get better and better and better is intriguing

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to me. Right, at some point then people can be

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sending their mean comments not to the host, the human host.

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They can be sending it to the AI host. Right, Hey,

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you may be artificial intelligence, but you're an idiot, and

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I disagree because everything you said you're wrong. It'll be

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wonderful Christians will be arguing with AI podcast hosts, right,

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That'll be that'll be fascinating, telling them how wrong they are.

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And I'm being a little bit sarcastic because just about

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what ten minutes ago, someone left a not nice comment

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on YouTube about me. So, but I'm like, okay, now

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you can send it to AI. So I was like,

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well is this AI? Is this actually the host or

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artificial intelligence? What's going on here? So? I want what

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we're gonna do is I'm going to play a little

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bit of this. I downloaded two episodes just immediately and

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I up and I uploaded them to my studio software.

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The first one is podcast features Conversation, Podcast Features Conversation.

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Now what it appears, this is what it's looking like.

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To me, this is AI generated, and sermon Audio is like, Hey,

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we can have this AI generate a podcast updating people

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about news with sermonadio, new features, new things like that,

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And I'm like, okay, that's that's that's that's really cool.

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They they could also again, I I would like to

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suggest this, if you're gonna use AI, you can create

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your own AI now kind of like your own AI

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DJ for the sermonadio radio, where AI can introduce the

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sermons or introduce a you know, three or four sermons

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in a row about a particular topic. And maybe you

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can open up a sermonadio radio to be much more

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pulling from everything other than a very very very very

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very very small group of broadcasters. Allow any broadcaster that

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has content on sermonadio for their content to possibly show

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up on sermonadio radio and then have it curated almost

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by AI. Hey, AI today, find me five sermons on

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the sermonadio platform about this subject and it says here

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we go boom, all right, and then have AI generate

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the announcing. Hey, for the next you know, two or

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three hours, we're going to be playing five sermons on

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the God's omniscience something along those lines or on Isaiah

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chapter forty, whatever the case may be. So but I

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so I'm sitting here trying to figure this out. So

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here again, I want you to take the sermon Audio app.

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Look for Deep Dive with the digital duo, tune in,

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and then again here's the description. Tune in for an

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upbeat AI generated podcast where digital hosts dive into the

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latest news and updates from sermonadio with energy, insight and

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a touch of wit. Now, hey, Sermonadio, you could have

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just paid me to do this. I could have done

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it for you, right, I could have done it for you,

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and I would have had far more energy, far more upbeat,

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and I'm far more wittier. I have far more wit

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than your AI. But is this AI? Is this AI

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taking over? Is this the end of sermon Audio? Are

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all this pastor is going to be replaced by AI?

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On some ways? That may be a good thing. But okay,

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so let's let's listen to this. You tell me what's

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going on here. That again, that's that's the entire description,

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because I'm trying to go Wait a minute, so it's

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all of this just AI. And if it is, well,

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do you like the way they sound. Do you dislike

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the way they sound? I need more information, but here

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we go. Here's the one. This was. This is from

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April to fourth, twenty twenty five. April the fourth, twenty

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twenty five, I had sixty one downloads, So it's doing

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really really good podcast feature conversation. That's interesting that an

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episode about podcast has sixty one downloads and well articles

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conversation has one hundred and twenty two, right, but the

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the other ones are lower. But then they were put

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published later, so I don't know. I don't know if

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it's on pace with their normal downloads or not. I

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just I thought, oh, well, maybe people are interested in

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podcasts on sermona Audio. That would be that would be good.

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Maybe I can go in all kinds of different directions,

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but we want to know what's going on here again

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deep dive with the digital duo. Tune in for an

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upbeat AI generated podcast. That the digital duo. So maybe

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they're not actual people, they're just digital AI. Well you

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find out here we.

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Go, all right, so today we're diving into something pretty interesting.

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Back in July of twenty twenty one, Sermon Audio made

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this announcement, okay about full podcasting support on their platform.

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Right now, we've got their whole article right here laying

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out all the details of these new features, and what

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we really want to do is break down what this

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means for people, for those of us who listened to

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sermons online and those who might even be putting them

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out there.

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Absolutely. Yeah, I mean, Sermon Audio is such a big

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name when it comes to audio sermons, So them really

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leaning into podcasting, you know, it's a big deal for

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anyone involved in that world.

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Okay, so let's jump right in. Yeah, the article kind

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of reminds us, like, you know, podcasting as we know

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it today really took off in the early two thousands, Yeah,

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with the iPod and everything, and obviously we've seen a

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resurgence of.

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Popularity, huge resurgence.

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So it makes sense for a platform like Sermon Audio, yeah,

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with all its history to really kind of, you know,

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lean into this format.

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Yeah, especially since they've been supporting podcasting almost since day one.

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Oh really, yeah, it says right here they've they've always

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had some level of support for it.

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Wow.

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So this isn't you know, them just jumping on a

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new trend. It's more like a major expansion of what

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they already offered.

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That makes a lot of sense.

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Yeah.

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So the big news here is that they're rolling out

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full native support for customizable podcasts. Yeah, and they're making

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this available to all their broadcasters.

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Right.

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That sounds like a pretty significant game changer definitely. So

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what are like the key things they're highlighting as improvements.

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Well, they're really pushing a couple big updates. Okay. The

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first one is they're now hosting podcasts directly on the

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Sermon audio platform itself.

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Oh that's cool.

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Yeah, so for creators that just streamlines things so much. Yeah.

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Absolutely.

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And the second thing is customization. Oh wow, Yeah, they're

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giving you options to customize your album art and descriptions. Yeah.

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That's huge, really.

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Important for you know, standing out from the crowd.

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Absolutely.

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Yeah.

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You definitely want to make sure people are drawn to

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your content visually as well as just the content itself.

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Absolutely.

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So what else did out to you as you're reading

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to this article?

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You know, it's the accessibility for listeners that really impressed me.

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Oh yeah, they added these really convenient subscribe buttons okay,

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which makes it super easy for people to follow your podcasts. Yeah,

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and maybe the biggest changes they're giving each podcast show

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its own dedicated landing page.

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No way.

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Yeah, they even included a sample link in the article

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so you can see how they look.

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I'll have to check that out.

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Yeah, it's really impressive, professional and super easy to share.

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That makes a lot of sense.

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Imagine just sending someone a link directly to your podcast, right,

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It just makes everything so much simpler.

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Yeah, a dedicated landing page. That's, like you said, a

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huge step forward for discoverability and shareability.

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Huge.

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Now, one thing I did notice in the article, m h,

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they're really drawing a distinction between a regular sermon series

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on Sermon Audio and these dedicated podcasts. So what's the

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big difference there for the user?

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That's a great question, and the article is really clear

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on that. The main differences are those subscribe buttons we

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talked about. Those are just for the podcasts, okay, And

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then they get better visibility on what Sermon Audio calls

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solo sites okay, which are basically these customizable websites broadcasters

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can build.

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Oh wow.

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And of course there's the dedicated landing pages, which the

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sermon series don't have, gotcha.

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So they're really being treated as like a separate, distinct

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content type exactly. What about the branding aspect of things.

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Well, both formats, sermon series and podcasts can use custom

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album art. Okay. They actually give some examples in the

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article if you need some inspiration, that's cool. And they

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both let you create custom descriptions too. Okay, So creators

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have a lot of control over how they present their audio.

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That's really important I think for you know, keeping that

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consistent brand.

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Now I could take apart some of the things they

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are saying, because I already have some disagreements. But okay,

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and I'll explain why in a minute. Is that is

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that AI? I think it's AI, And now that I'm

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listening to it, I think maybe the first time I

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clicked on it, I'm like, oh, it's a guy and

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a girl and it's doing the host co hosting. Okay,

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I kind of just figured out what it was. I

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don't even remember when I first discovered or stumbled upon

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the digital duo. If I look for the digital duo,

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hang on, me see here the digital duo, hang on

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opening up digital duo speaker. Yeah, let's see here. I

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don't know when with the first time, I don't know

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which one. I think it was back in March when

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I first stumbled upon it, and I think it was

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like just a quick play and like, Okay, I get

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what they're doing, but I get I didn't realize at

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the time it was completely AI generated, or maybe I

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wasn't paying attention. I mean, I click on so many

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different things on the sermonadio app listening at any given moment.

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I don't always like read every detail. So but at

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first I'm I obviously didn't catch on. Now that I'm

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listening to that, that's that's that's clearly AI. That's clearly AI.

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And just well you maybe asking what do you disagree with?

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I just think it's ridiculous now in twenty twenty five

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to say, well, these are sermons, these are podcasts. There's

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no there's no meaningful distinction. Both both things are being

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uploaded to the Internet and they have attached to it

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an RSS feed and which you can access that content.

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There's all these churches on sermon audio. I just go

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and grab their RSS feed, Go to any podcasting app,

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insert the RSS feed and subscribe to it. It's subscribed

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to as a podcast. If your audio has an RSS

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feed that can be grabbed by any podcast app, then

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guess what. It's a it's a podcast. You're saying, No,

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it's a sermon, it's a sermon. You're a podcaster. Okay,

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you're a podcaster. You're just your content's being produced behind

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a pulpit with a lapel mic in front of a

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live audience versus maybe a the type of mike I'm

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speaking into a in a room. It doesn't matter. It's

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still audio content being produced that is now easily accessible

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via an RSS feed. To me, that's it's by definition,

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it's a podcast. So you can try to draw a distinction.

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This is and even the sermons series. Once you take

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the sermon turn it into a series, you can you

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still have your own series. You can also include your

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own artwork. I don't think that's you. I think you

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can do that even if it's not a podcast. Maybe

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I'm wrong. I'd have to go look. But if if

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you're it, then then label your sermon series podcast okay,

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And then you can take that sermon series and you

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label a podcast. Let's say it's going to be a

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four year series on the Book of Romans. Turn it

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into a podcast, and then you can go take that

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podcast separate from your church's podcast. And make it its own

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podcast available on all the platforms like Apple or you know,

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Apple podcasting app, Spotify and all the others. You just

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have to go and load it in as its own

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separate podcast. So there's all all kinds of things you

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can do. But I mean, it's still a sermon series,

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but it's a podcast. It's the same thing. So but yeah,

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there you have it. I'll just let you hear just

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a little bit more of this.

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Yeah. Absolutely.

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Now, for someone who's already on sermon audio and they've got,

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you know, all these sermon series built up, is it

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a to convert them to this new podcast format?

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From what they say in the article, it's super easy, really, Yeah,

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you can convert an existing series into a podcast with

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like one click. It's all done in the series manager

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in your account dashboard.

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So it sounds very user friendly. Extremely so, I guess

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wrapping up this whole deep dive into this Sermon Audio announcement,

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it seems like they're really stepping up their game when

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it comes to podcasting. Yeah, they're giving both creators and

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listeners a much more integrated and customizable experience exactly.

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And if you're someone who loves listening to sermons in

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podcast format. Yeah, this update probably means you're going to

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have even more content to choose from.

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That's awesome.

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And if you're creating the content, well SERMONADI is giving

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you a more powerful platform.

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Yeah, with all these great features exactly. And here's something

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to really think about. You know, how might this deeper

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integration of these podcast specific tools on a platform dedicated

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to you know, religious audio. How might that change the

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way people find and share and engage with this kind

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of content in the future.

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It's really fascinating to consider.

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Really, it's a big development in this space. So yeah,

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thanks for joining me for this deep dive.

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Yeah, my pleasure.

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It was great breaking this down absolutely until next time.

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See ya.

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Bye.

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There you have it. I don't know how much of

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a deep dive that was, because if I was breaking

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that down, it would go it would go five hours.

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But that's probably why AI is better. It was able

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to do it in a very succinct, very quick way.

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A total of I don't even know how many total minutes.

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That thing was five minutes and twenty four seconds. So

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it could do it in five minutes and twenty four seconds,

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and I could do it in five months in twenty

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four days. Okay, so but it sounds like it's AI.

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So here's the question, sermon audio. That's what I think

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that sermon audio is the one who creates that. So

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if sermon audio can create a podcast about what's going

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on on sermonaudio utilizing AI, at what point, I mean,

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we're right there, we're on the edge of the cliff.

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At what point does AI replace me, replace your pastor

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replace all pastors. Now I know some of you will

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push back, but I'm just saying, at some point AI

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can produce the podcast, can produce the sermon, can preach

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the sermon. He said, Well, you're still got to have

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people coming to church, so you're still going to need

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someone to stand there. Okay, well congratulations. But then ultimately

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