Sept. 19, 2024

Restoration of Israel and the Trinity

Restoration of Israel and the Trinity

We continue our review of a message about the restoration of Israel

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We continue our review of a message about the restoration of Israel

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Looking at our world from a theological perspective. This is

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the Theology Central podcast, making Theology Central. Good evening everyone.

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It is Wednesday, September eighteenth, twenty twenty four. It is

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currently six twenty nine pm Central Time, and I am

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coming to you live from the Theology Central studio located

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right here in Abilene, Texas. Now, before I do anything else,

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let me explain that in the background, I don't know

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if you can hear it, that is my next door neighbor.

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He's mowing his yard, and well his lawnmower is a

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little loud, so you may hear that sum in the background.

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I just want you to know what that is. Some

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people would say you shouldn't even mention it because nobody

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will even hear it. But I want you to at

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least know, so you're not sitting there going what does

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that sound in the background? What does that sound in

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the background? So you know, so if you hear that,

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you can ignore it. But that's not our focus. Our

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focus is to try our very best to redeem, to

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make something that was a disaster into something that is profitable.

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We want to try to take something that was well

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burned into ashes and something will arise out of those

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ashes that will be profitable for you. This is what

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happened earlier today. I decided to review some audio. And

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I decided to review some audio because it seemed that

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the audio was very much connected to our ongoing series,

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A Survey of Eschatology, and we've been working on the

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Dividic Covenant. We've taken a little break from it. We've

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been we've had taken some detours, but I want to

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get back to it, possibly this Sunday. And I'm like, well,

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you know, here is in on my sermon's two point

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zero app under the feed tab. Here's a message entitled

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Restoration of Israel Part one. I'm like, well, if here's

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a message about the restoration of Israel, well, then by

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all means, let's just review that. Because we've been talking

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a little bit about obviously the covenants, how they pertain

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to Israel, and how that many of those promises and

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those covenants haven't been fulfilled. So we believe that we'll

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be fulfilled literally to a literal Israel. We've talked about

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all of that, right, so I thought it would be

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it would be easy to do, it would be great,

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But remember I hold to a philosophy, and my philosophy

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sometimes makes me look very stupid. And some would argue

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that how many times before you realize that your philosophy

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is broken? But I refuse to change my philosophy. But

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my philosophy is this. Whenever I review anything, I don't

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listen to it first. The reason why is I want

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to create the idea that when I'm reviewing something is

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that we're all listening to it together for the very

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first time. You don't know what's about to be said.

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I don't know what's about to be set. It's not

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something where I've listened to it. Ooh, this is really bad.

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I could. I could trash this. I could, I could,

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I could criticize this, and it's and all my reactions

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are almost produced and rehearsed.

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I know.

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I don't like that. I like it to be. I

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don't have a clue. You don't have a clue. We're

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listening together in real time. Whatever happens happens. No one

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can accuse me of just trying to find audio so

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that I can criticize it to make myself look smart. No,

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I'm just listening to things. In this case, we've been

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talking about eschatology. Here's an article, here's a message about

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the restoration of Israel. If fits perfectly with where we

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are in our study of eschatology, let's this will add

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to it. Let's go. So it was pretty simple, pretty

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straight straightforward. We hit play, and immediately we was like, wait, okay,

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so this sounds like it's a radio broadcast. And then

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but the radio broadcast, he kept saying, we're gonna be

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talking about the restoration of Israel. We're gonna be talking

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about the restoration of Israel. And he kept dragging it

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out and dragging it out, and so then the next

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thing you know, he's reading an email. Then the next

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thing you know, he's doing like fifteen minutes of reading

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prayer request. And then he'd played like, I don't know,

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it's like five ten minute maybe fifteen minute musical interlude,

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and so I had to sit there and kind of

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mute the turn the music down. It just we didn't

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really get anywhere. But if we were to summarize what

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we did get, here was the hypothesis put forth to

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us in the message that we were reviewing. Right here

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was the hypothesis. Hypotheses number one, the Bible only speaks

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of two restorations of the nation of Israel. The first

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one is when they come back from Babylonian captivity, they

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will be restored to the land. The Nation of Israel

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will be restored. That's restoration number one. Restoration number two

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is at the end where Christ will return, the enemies

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will be destroyed, and then they are restored in the

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Millennial Kingdom. So basically we have coming out of Babylonian

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captivity and going into the Millennial Kingdom. Those are the

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only two restorations. Now, his argument is nineteen forty eight, Okay,

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when Israel became a nation, wasn't a fulfillment of any

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of these restorations. He made the argument that Israel was

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brought back together in nineteen forty eight so that they

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can be scattered again, so that they can be brought

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back in the Millennial Kingdom. Okay. I don't have a

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major problem with that. Okay, I guess if you want

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to say that. Now, there were some things he said

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about the Holocaust. I kind of got a little nervous.

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We won't go into all that. But his argument is

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two restorations. Nineteen forty eight is not a fulfillment of

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any of these restorations. I do agree with that nineteen

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forty eight, when Israel becomes the nation does not believe

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fulfill most of these prophecies about Israel being back, And no,

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that doesn't just no way it does. It doesn't in

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any way perform. So I agree that you have two

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basic restorations. I do. I don't know if I say

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that they were brought back in the land in nineteen

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forty eight so that they can be scattered again during

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Jacob's trouble of the Tribulation, so that they can then

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be restored. I think that there's two restorations in nineteen

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forty eight. Is a sign, is a hint, is a

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preview of what is to come? I think that's a

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better way of explaining it. Now, he did handle Matthew

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twenty four in a way which I disagree with. This

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was another thing he did. He says in Matthew twenty four,

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starting a verse fifteen, when ye therefore shall see the

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abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the Prophet stand

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in the Holy place, whoso readeth, let him understand. Then

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let him, which would be in Judea, flee into the mountains.

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Let them which is on the Housetop not come down

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to take anything out of his house. He argued that

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Matthew twenty four, verse fifteen, sixteen, seventy eighteen, following that

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that has never occurred, and that this will occur during

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the tribulation prior to the restoration of Israel in the

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Millennial Kingdom. I completely reject that perspective, Matthew twenty four,

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fifteen and following. In fact, most of Matthew twenty four

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is about seventy a D. This occurred in seventy a

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D when Israel and a sense will just see it

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this way was wiped off the face of the earth.

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All right, they were gone, and this is what happened.

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This is referring to seventy a D. This is not

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referring so many people. People go to Matthew twenty four

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and say, this is prophesying what is to come. This

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was prophesying what was to come for those people at

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that time, and it was fulfilled in seventy a D.

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Now you say, well, there's some parts that wasn't fulfilled

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in seventy a D. Okay, but those would be very few,

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very few things in Matthew twenty four. Because this was

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focused on Jesus walks out of the temple. The disciples

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are like, look at this temple, and in Jesus like,

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it's all going to come down. There's not going to

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be one stone upon another, and they're like, when is

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this going to happen? And then he gives them the

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signs for the destruction of that temple, not a future temple,

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but the temple that was standing when he was there

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on earth. So we disagreed with that. I agree with

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the Bible basically has two restorations coming out of the

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Babylonian captivity and then the Millennial Kingdom, that there are

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prophecies in the Bible that have not been fulfilled for Israel.

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I disagree with the all millennial perspective that would say

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these prophecies have to be fulfilled spiritually inside the church.

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I think they have to be literally for the nation

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of Israel. All right now, So we finally get we're

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at right And we had broadcasted for almost an hour,

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an hour and over an hour, probably close to an

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hour and a half before we really started getting anywhere,

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and then well the program went to a break. Then

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they played like a I don't know, three four minute

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kind of little clip of a sermon with music in

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the background. I fast forwarded past all of that. They

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just came out of the break, and then so in

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a break they play that kind of musical interlude with

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a sermon. Then they come back read an email about

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a chaplain needing Bibles. Then now finally they're getting back

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to the teaching. So we're going to get back to

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the teaching and where we're going to discuss more about

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the restoration of Israel, and we will see where this goes.

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We are hoping. Now he did promote a book by

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Peter Ruckman, and I do not agree with Peter Ruckman

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in any way, shape or form Rugman Knights Rugmantism. However,

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you would like to refer to Peter Ruckman's teaching, I

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believe no, absolutely no, no no no no, no, no

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no no. I may agree that Peter Ruckman and what

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he may have taught about the restoration of Israel, but

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I believe what the restoration of Israel from what's in

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the Bible, not what Peter Ruckman said, because I disagree

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with a lot of his theology. But other than that,

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that's kind of all we really got in the first

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hour and a half of review. Now, I just feel

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like we had to. I couldn't leave there. I would

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not be able to go to bed tonight going. I

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did almost ninety minutes or over ninety minutes of that

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review on the Restoration of Israel Part one, and it

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was a disaster. And now I'm just gonna go to

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bed and leave it there. I can't, so I wanted

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to come back to it again. If you want to

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find this, because this is only part one, they're going

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to do multiple parts. Let me go to the sermon

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audio sermon's two point zero app. The name of the

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sermonis Restoration of Israel Part one. By now the inn

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begins Bible Study Archives. Now the end begins Bible Study Archives.

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That's the broadcast. They're up to thirty two downloads. That's

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good that we're only at twenty. I want everyone to

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download it. I want everyone to hear the rest. So

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here we go. Let's jump in and let's see what

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we can learn.

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As always, thank you very very much. All right, let's

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just jump right into. We have set the table, we

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understand where we are, and our topic tonight is the

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Restoration of Israel, and we are going to focus tonight

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on the Throne of David. Ruckman has a booklet called

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The Restoration of Israel. You can go to our website,

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our bookstore website that is Biblebeliever dot com and you

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can get yourself a copy of the Restoration of Israel

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by doctor Peter S. Ruckman. It's a series of six

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messages on the physical and spiritual restoration promise to the

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nation of Israel in the scriptures. I have read it

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dozens of times, and I promise you it will be

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a blessing for you.

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If you get the book, great, that's all great. Someone

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already emailed me earlier today and the book is available

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on Amazon. I would just say, you know, use caution,

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be very aware about Peter Ruckman. If you go to

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Way of Life Literature, which is also more like it

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within the realm of Independent Fundamental Baptist where Peter Ruckman operated,

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they have a critique of Peter Ruckman's teaching. What about

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Peter Ruckman? If you just go to Way of Life

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Literature and just do a search for Peter Ruckman, you

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will I mean, well, maybe at some point we'll go

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through some of his teachings, but yeah, problematic would be

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an understatement so yeah, so, but if you get that book, great.

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What I would challenge you to do is just go

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through the Bible and look for all the promises of

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the restoration and the regathering of Israel, and then just

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ask yourself, did this ever occur? And if it did not, well,

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then what do you do with it? Do you say,

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either you have to find a way to say it's

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already happened, or you have to say it's going to happen.

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But it happened in the Church and it's spiritual and

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it's not really Israel. And I think that's a problem hermoneutically.

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So we are looking at something called the throne of David,

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the Old Testament. And let's just get a couple of

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random verses regarding the throne of David. Turn to Second Samuel,

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chapter three, verse ten, and we're going to be going

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over a lot of verses tonight, Second Samuel, chapter three,

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verse ten, to translate the kingdom from the House of

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Saul and to set up the throne of David over

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Israel and over Judah from Dan even to Beersheba, to

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translate the kingdom from the House of Saul, and to

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set up the throne of David over Israel and over Judah.

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the Old Testament. He represents Antichrist.

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when he says we're going to talk about the throne

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of David, I get excited because we've been looking at

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the Dividic Covenant and our study on eschatology. All right,

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so I'm like, Okay, see, I made a good decision

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to choose this audio to review because it will supplement

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what we're doing. This will add to it. Now, this

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just took an absolutely bizarre turn, and I don't know

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where to go. So Saul represents Antichrist. Now can you

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say Saul represents Antichrist? Or can you say Saul demonstrates

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many of the attributes and characteristics often associated with Antichrist.

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say it dogmatically Saul represents Antichrist, you're just saying like

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it's dogmatically, So you would need a verse to say

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Saul is a representation of Antichrist, or you would need

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versus about the Antichrist that connects it to Saul. If

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you don't have that, you can say I see a correlation,

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I see something alike or in common. So I would

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challenge you now, if you want to do this again,

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if you want to take your study a little further,

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grab a piece of paper right on, draw a line

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down the middle of it all the way down to

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the bottom, separating it into two halves. One half put Saul,

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the other half put Antichrist. Start with Antichrist, find every

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verse that mentions Antichrist, what Antichrist is like, et cetera,

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et cetera, et cetera. And then after you have your

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list and you kind of write out what these verses say,

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just a little like summary, Okay, antichristis described this, or

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Antichrist does this. Then start looking up verses about Saul

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that correlates to those attributes, characteristics, and actions. That would

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be an interesting study. But I would not then say

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dogmatically Saul represents or is a picture of, or a

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symbol of Antichrist in the Old Testament. I would just

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say Saul has the same characteristics and attributes of Antichrist

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all right, if you want to work on that, that

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could be fun. But there you go. All right, So

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let's see if he's going to offer us some support

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for his perspective.

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King Saul is one of the most wicked kings that

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Israel ever had, and in Tewod Samuel chapter three, verse ten,

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it says to translate the kingdom from the house of

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Saul and to set up the throne of David over

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Israel and over Judah.

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Now again, that's it. Now I see kind of what

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he's doing here. So this is kind of interesting, all right.

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I am fascinated by where he's going. But again I

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would ask this question, how would we quantify qualify that

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Saul was the most wicked king? How do you qualify

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who's the most wicked? How do you quantify this? How

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do you qualify this? How? Like what would be here

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are the characteristics that may make him most wicked? Like, yeah,

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we can get in a discussion there, but let's just

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see where he goes.

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You know what happens immediately before Jesus returns at the

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Second Advent, the anti Christ takes control of the entire

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world for seven years. That is what the Kingdom of

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Saul represents And in Two Samuel chapter three, verse ten,

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there's a translation going on. It is translating from the

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kingdom of Antichrist to setting up the throne of David

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over Israel and over Judah. Turned to First Kings chapter two,

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verse twelve. First Kings Chapter two, verse twelve. Then sat

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Solomon upon the throne of David his father, and his

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kingdom was established greatly. First Kings chapter two, verse twelve.

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Then sat Solomon upon the throne of David his father,

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and his kingdom was greatly established. You know who, King

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Solomon represents. King Solomon represents Jesus Christ.

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King Solomon represents Jesus Christ. Who Now just remember King

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King Solomon. All right, so Saul represents the Antichrist. King

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Solomon represents Jesus. Now just think this true. Solomon represents Jesus.

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Solomon was a man who well he basically was the

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hit man for David because he killed a bunch of

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people that David had killed. And we've talked about that.

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He also was a serial polygamist, a serial adulterer, and

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an idolator. All right, So alright, all right, just keep

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relationship to David and to God. And give me just

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one second. I had the verse and I lost it.

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it is Second Samuel, chapter seven, Second Samuel. You will

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chapter seven. Let's read verses twelve through fourteen. Tewod Samuel,

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Chapter seven, verses twelve through fourteen. And when thy days

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be fulfilled, God is talking to David, and thou shalt

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sleep with thy fathers. I will set up thy seed

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after thee which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and

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I will establish his kingdom. Talking about the kingdom of

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King Solomon, Solomon writes Proverbs and the Book of Ecclesiastes,

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I will set up his seed after thee which shall

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proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom.

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He shall build an house for my name, and I

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will establish the throne of his kingdom for how long?

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For ever, Solomon, it's on the throne of David. And

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look in verse fourteen. I will be his father, and

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he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I

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will chasen him with the rod of men and with

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the stripes of the children of men. But my mercy

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shall not depart away from him as I took it

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from Saul, whom I put away before THEE and thine

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house he's talking to David now, and thine house and

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thy kingdom shall be established forever before thee. Thy throne

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shall be established forever. Verse seventeen says, according to all

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these words and according to all this vision. So did

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Nathan speak unto David. I want you to look at

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the last couple of verses that I just read, and

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kingdom and this throne is going to be established forever.

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Okay, Now, we talked about this. We talked about this,

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if I can speak correctly, We talked about this and

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our discussion about the Davidic Covenant. Right, So my issue

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is he made a dogmatic assertion, a dogmatic claim that

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Saul represents Antichrist. There was no scriptural support given. Solomon

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represents Jesus, no support given as of yet. So I'm

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a little concerned where he just makes like these dogmatic

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assertions this person represents this person. Again, it's how you stated, Hey,

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if you build out a comparing and a contrasting, say

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chart of Saul and Antichrist. You may come up with

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some interesting things, right, and we could possibly we could

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circle back and work on that at some point, right

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maybe maybe in another broadcast, will we'll we'll throw out

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that theory and we will will make it a hypothesis

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and we will test it. But to say Jesus Solomon

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represents Jesus is somewhat concerning to me again, because Solomon

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was a serial adulterer, a serial polygamist. He murdered, you know,

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a killed a number of people, and he was an idolator.

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I just don't know how that's the representation of Jesus, right, Like, okay,

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so what do you mean by that? What do you

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are there some similarities between Solomon and Jesus, Like what

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is Solomon that? Like, yeah, yeah, so let's see if

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he gets if he circles back to that.

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That is not just in the lifetime of David or

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in the lifetime of Solomon, or in the lifetime of

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the Old Testament or in the lifetime of the New Testament.

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This throne that the Bible calls the throne of David

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is a everlasting throne. It is an eternal throne. Now

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where did we start this Bible study. We started this

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Bible study in Luke chapter one, verses thirty two and

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thirty three. Luke one thirty two. He shall be great

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talking about Jesus, and shall be called the Son of

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the Highest, and the Lord God shall give unto him

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the throne of his father David. And he shall reign

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over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom.

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There shall be no end. Now does that remind you

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of anything? Turn to the Book of Isaiah. Turn to

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chapter nine, Isaiah chapter nine. Let's look at verses six

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and seven. We tend to think of these verses as

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the Christmas verses.

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Again, there was no proof of Solomon being a picture

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of Jesus.

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There was nothing there. There was nothing there.

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So I don't know if he thinks reading those verses

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about the Dividic Covenant and what Solomon would do and

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about him like I, I don't get it. I don't

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get it now, I so so, but let's just move on.

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Let's just move on, all right. So now we're in

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Isaiah chapter nine, verse six and seven. He's gonna read

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it and we'll see what he has to say here.

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unto us, a child is born. Onto us, a son

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is given. For God so loved the world that he

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gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believed it in

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him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For unto us,

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a child is born in a manger. Unto us, a

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son is given, the only begotten Son. And the government

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shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be

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called Wonderful counselor the Mighty God, the Everlasting Father, the

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Prince of Peace. He is the Father, he is the Son,

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he is the Holy Spirit. Three in one and one

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in three. The one in the middle died for me.

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Behold Israel, our God is.

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He is the Father, he is the Son, he is

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the Holy Spirit. Jesus is the Father, the Son, and

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the Holy Spirit. There's one God, three distinct persons who

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are coequal in eternal Did he just walk into Modalism?

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I'm gonna look something up here. I'm gonna look something here.

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Okay, uh, all right, so here we go. Modalism is

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a philological belief concerning the nature of God, particularly within

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the context of Christian doctrine regarding the Trinity. Modalists assert

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that God is a singular entity who reveals himself in

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different modes or forms, rather than being three distinct persons.

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When you say the Son is the Father, and the

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Son is the Holy Spirit, and the Son is the Son,

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that's one is Pentecostalism. This is almost a denial of

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the trinity. Are they trinitarian?

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Hang on, I'm gonna look something up. I'm okay, I

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am a little bit confused here. All right, I'm a

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there's a website here. I'm going to see if I

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can find their doctrinal beliefs. I'm going to find their

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doctrinal beliefs here. Hang on.

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About about to see here.

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A statement of faith? All right?

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Hang on statement of faith. See if I can get

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to it. Hang on statement of faith. All right, here

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we go. Statement of faith.

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We believe in one God, eternally, existing in a try

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uniform in nature, the Father, the only Begotten Son, in

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the Holy Spirit. We believe that thou, while they're equal

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in the God, had that all power has been placed

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in the only Begotten Son, Jesus Christ. Further, we believe

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that the Father's Son and Spirit are present in Jesus who. Okay,

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wait a minute, that sounds okay, all right, okay, hang on,

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give me some I'm typing something out, yeah, okay, all right, okay.

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So yeah, well I'm asking Ai here because I'm very concerned. Okay,

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So let's go back to what modalism is. Okay, this okay, now, now, oh,

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this is getting all right now I'm getting worried here.

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All right, We're trying to talk about the restoration of Israel,

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and he just kind of went all wacky right there,

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just went whacky because he basically said, the Son is

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the Father is the Son is the Holy Spirit. That's

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one is Pentecostalism, right, that there's one who takes on

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three different modes, right, he there's one God who manifests

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himself as Father, than a son, as as Spirit. But

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it's just one. No, it's one God who exists three

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distinct persons who are coequal and co eternal. They are

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distinct in their person so all right. So, Modalism is

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a thological belief concerning the nature of God, particularly within

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the context of Christian doctrine regarding the Trinity. Modalists assert

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that God is a singular entity who reveals himself in

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different modes or forms, rather than being three distinct persons

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as traditionally understood in the trinitary doctrine. According to modalism,

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there are merely different manifestations or roles that the One

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God assumes at different times, rather than being distinct persons

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who co exist eternally. For example, God might appear as

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Father in creation, the Son during Jesus incarnation, and the

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Holy Spirit and sanctification. This belief was deemed heretical by

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early Christian councils because it denies the traditional doctrine of

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the Trinity, which holds that the Father, Son, and Holy

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Spirit are distinct persons who are fully God and are coeternal.

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Key figures in early Church history, such as Tertulia and

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strongly opposed modalism, arguing that it compromises the relationship between

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the three persons of the Trinity. All right, so we've

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talked about modalism. That sounds very modalistic, That sounds very

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that sounds very one oneness pentecostal. So I'm getting really

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nervous here, right. So then they provide what they believe

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to be a definition of the Trinity. Right, So their

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statement of faith is we believe in one God eternally

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existing in a triune form in nature, the Father, the

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only Begotten Son, in his Holy Spirit. We believe that

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while they are equal in the Godhead, that all power

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has been placed in the only Begotten Son, Jesus Christ. Further,

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we believe that the Father, Son, and Spirit are present

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in Jesus, who is the fullness of the Godhead. What

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is okay? What is that? So I asked Ai about this,

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and Ai, this is how AI understood it. The statement

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you provided contains element that could potentially suggest a modalistic understanding,

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though it is not fully explicit. Let's break it down.

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We believe in one God eternally existing in triune form

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and nature. This phrase seems to affirm a belief in

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the Trinity, as it acknowledges one God existing in triune form. However,

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the use of form and nature might imply a nontrinitary

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interpretation depending on how form is understood. We believe that

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while they are equal in the god Head, that all

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power has been placed in the only Begotten Son, Jesus Christ.

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This could reflect the belief that Jesus, as the incarnate Son,

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has been given all authority. This is consistent with Orthodox

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trinitary teaching, which recognizes the distinct persons of the Trinity

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with different roles or function. However, placing a strong emphasis

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on Jesus as the sole bearer of all power might

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suggest to functional hierarchy that could be viewed different by

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various theological perspectives. We believe that the Father, Son and

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Spirit are present in Jesus. This part of the statement

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is crucial. It cites Colustions two nine, which says for

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in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in

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bodily form. And Trinitarian orthodoxy this is understood to mean

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that Jesus is fully God, but not that the Father

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and the Holy Spirit are subsumed within him. And contrasts,

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Modalism teaches that one God appears in different modes and might,

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and might interpret this statement to mean that the Father,

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Son and Holy Spirit are just different manifestations with Jesus Christ,

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rather than distinct persons. Thus, the statement could lean towards

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a modalistic understanding. All right, so it is very concerning here.

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We believe that Jesus Christ is both Lord, is Lord

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and Lord, and that Jesus created everything, and that Jesus

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is coming for his church. Lastly, we believe that all

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the God had exists in Jesus Christ for reasons already stated,

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there is one and one in three and one in

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the middle died for me. That is a problematic. That

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is not a very orthodox box explanation of the Trinity.

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That is that is very problematic. That's that's that's very problematic,

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ladies and gentlemen, that's very problematic. Yeah, there's three distinct

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persons who are coequal and co eternal. So uh, okay,

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I'm gonna ask. I'm gonna ask ai.

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Hey, guy, I'm gonna look something up here.

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All right, here we go. I apologize having to type that. Yeah, okay,

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if someone says that Jesus is the Father, the Son,

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and the Holy Spirit, that would not be a trinitarian understanding.

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I'm gonna back this up and see if he said that.

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I'm gonna see, I'm gonna i this does not sound

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like the Trinity. This does not sound like the Trinity.

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As soon as I heard this, Okay, I'm gonna back

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it up a little bit here. Just I'm gonna back

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it up a little bit or see if we can

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find where he said it.

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Isaiah chapter nine, verse six. For unto us, a child

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is born unto us, a son is given. For God

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so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son,

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that whosoever believed it in him should not perish, but

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have everlasting life. For unto us, a child is born

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in a manger. Unto us, a son is given, the

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only begotten Son, And the government shall be upon his shoulder,

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and his name shall be called Wonderful counselor the Mighty God,

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the Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace. He is the Father,

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he is the Son, he is the Holy Spirit.

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He just said Jesus is the Father, the Son, and

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the Holy Spirit. If someone says that Jesus is the Father,

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the Son, and the Holy Spirit, that would not be

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a trinitary understanding and Trinitarian doctrine, which is the Orthodox

552
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Christian understanding of the Godhead. The Father, the Son, and

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the Holy Spirit are three distinct persons who are fully God.

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Yet there is only one God that coexist eternally and

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have distinct roles. But they are not to be confused

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with one another. The Father is not the Son, the

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Son is not the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit

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is not the Father. If someone were to say that

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Jesus is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

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That reflects a modalistic understanding, where the belief is that

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the One God reveals himself in three different modes as Father, Son,

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and Holy Spirit, but these are not distinct persons. In

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this view, Jesus would be seen as simply taking on

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different roles or manifestations depending on the situation. This view

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was rejected as a radical by early church councils because

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it denies the distinct personhood of the Father, Son, and

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Holy Spirit, which is a core tenet of trinitarianism. This

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is a denial of trinitarianism. This is not I'm going

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to back that up again. This is this is seriously problematic. Here,

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this is seriously problematic. I'm going to go back. Here.

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Here we go.

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Isaiah chapter nine, verse six. For unto us, a child

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is born, unto us, a son is given. For God

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so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son,

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that whosoever believed that in him should not perish, but

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have everlasting life. For unto us, a child is born

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in aa. Unto us, a son is given, the only

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begotten Son, And the government shall be upon his shoulder,

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and his name shall be called wonderful counselor the Mighty God,

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the Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace. He is the Father,

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he is the Son, he is the Holy Spirit. Three

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in one and one in three, the one in the

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middle died for me. Behold, Israel, our God is one

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of the increase, Verse seven of his government and peace.

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There shall be no end upon the throne of David

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and upon his kingdom to order it and to establish

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it with judgment and with justice. From henceforth even forever,

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the zeal of the Lord of Hosts will perform this.

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The throne of David is an everlasting throne. The throne

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of David is an eternal throne. Turn to.

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We're gonna stop right there, because that is not good.

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All right, ladies and gentlemen. All the stuff you may

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be seeing about the restoration of Israel. Great, Okay, Look,

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here's what I would rather. I would rather have massive Well,

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put it this way, it's perfectly acceptable to have massive

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disagreements about the restoration of Israel. Right. Well, it's gonna

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be a literal restoration of a literal Israel and a

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literal land, and literal fulfillment of a literal nation, or

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no Israel absolutely was replaced basically by the Church. You

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can have disagreements within that and you're still within the

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realm of Christianity. You get the trinity wrong, you've left

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the realm of Christianity because you are literally defining either

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God is a trinity, one God, three distinct persons are

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co equal, co eternal, or he is not. And either

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either the modalistic understanding is right or the trinitarian understanding

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is right. They both cannot be right. Only one can

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be right. And you're literally dealing with the very nature

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of God. And you get the nature of God wrong,

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then you have a false God, and then ladies and gentlemen,

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you no longer have Christianity. That is a massive issue.

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Their statement of faith is very is very confusing. In fact,

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I'm gonna ask something. Okay, okay, all right, I'm gonna

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ask this. I'm gonna I'm gonna, I'm gonna I'm gonna

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just do some more search here would this be a

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a trend Aitarrian understanding? Okay, all right, here we go.

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So even AI has a little problem even with our

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last statement that whole all right, that there the three

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and one and one in three and the one in

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the middle died for me. Even that little statement they

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threw there at the end, even AI is kind of like,

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wait a minute, wait, here's what AI says. The phrase

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three in one and one in three and the one

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in the middle died for me appears to reflect elements

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of Trinitarian language, but it could potentially lead to misunderstanding

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depending on interpretation. Here's how it aligns with trinitary understanding.

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Three in one, in one and three The phrase captures

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the essence of the trinitary doctrine, which teaches that God

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is one in essence of substance, but exists in three

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distinct persons, father, Son, and Holy Spirit, so that part

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aligns with trinitary and theology. The one in the middle

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died for me. This refers to g Jesus Christ, the

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second person of the Trinity, the son who died for

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humanity salvation. This is also consistent with Trinitarian belief because

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it specifically identifies Jesus as the one who died on

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the cross. However, the phrase the one in the middle

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could be metaphorical, metaphorical, or poetic, and might imply that

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Jesus is central within the Trinity, but it needs careful

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handling to avoid confusion and trinitarianism. While Jesus is the

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incarnate son who died, the Father and the Holy Spirit

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are also fully God and equally important. So even then

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to have a little bit of problems when you take

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the other things that they said, I mean, he said

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he is the Father, the Son, and the Spirit. No,

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that is not trinitarianism. Okay, let me go back to that.

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Let me go back again. Let me make it very clear,

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all right, because it's very very important, all right. The

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Father is not the Son, the Son is not the

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Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit is not the Father.

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There are three distinct coeqal coetern all. Now, Christians are

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sloppy when it comes to the Trinity. Christians are careless.

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They are sloppy. They and they act like it doesn't

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really matter. They'll be like, oh, you're just nitpicking. You're

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just getting into you're getting into all that philological nuance. No,

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you're dealing with the nature of God. You either get

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the right God or you have the wrong God. And

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if you have the wrong God, then I'm sorry, that's

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not Christianity. Christianity would be the belief and the right

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God correct, wouldn't that be a foundational part of Christianity.

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That was crazy was not expecting that. All right, we'll

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stop there. That's where we won't go another ninety minutes.

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You need to go listen to the rest It's called

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Restoration of Israel Part one.

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Again.

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The name of the broadcaster is now the end. Now

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the end begins Bible Study Archives. If you look them

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up on the sermon's two point oh app and you

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click on the broadcaster, Now the End begins Bible Study Archives,

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you can scroll down. You'll see a link to their website.

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The website will take you to their Statement of Faith.

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I think most Christians would read the Statement of Faith

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and never question it and never have a problem thinking

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they're trinitarian. I don't think that's trinitarianism. I know. I'm

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gonna ask a question.

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Hang on, did okay?

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Hang on?

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Oh see, okay, I knew there was. So they promote

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a book by Peter Ruckman, right, okay, So here's what

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they say. Peter Ruckman, a controversial Baptist pastor in Theologian,

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did not outright deny the Trinity, but his views on

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the Godhead were often criticized for being unconventional and confusing.

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He claimed to believe in the Trinity, acknowledging the Father's Son,

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and the Holy Spirit as distinct persons. However, Ruckman express

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his belief in way that some critics have argued bordered

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on modalism, or at least created confusion about the stance

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on traditional Trinitarian doctrine. Ruckman's teachings were known for their

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idiosyncrasies and sometimes cryptic language. He would describe the persons

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of the Trinity in ways that led some to accuse

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him of holding unorthodox views. For example, he sometimes used

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phrases that suggest that Jesus Christ contained the fullness of God,

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the Godhead, and a manner that can apply. Jesus alone

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embodies the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. They're

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taking their language from Peter Ruckman, all right, So that's

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that's where that came from. They're taking it from Peter Ruckman.

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That's that's where oh man, I knew as soon as

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they mentioned Peter Ruckman, I knew we were in trouble.

696
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I knew we were in trouble. I knew it. And

697
00:45:48.199 --> 00:45:51.960
there we go. We just that Jesus is the Father,

698
00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:55.440
the Son, and the Holy Spirit. That is not trinitarian language.

699
00:45:55.480 --> 00:46:01.400
That's downright modalistic one Pentecostal type language. That is just wrong,

700
00:46:04.559 --> 00:46:08.320
that's forget wrong, that's that's borderline heretical. I won't go

701
00:46:08.360 --> 00:46:11.960
so far to say heretical because it's not an outright denial,

702
00:46:12.280 --> 00:46:15.079
but it's not trinitarian language. But see, they got enough

703
00:46:15.159 --> 00:46:18.039
trinitarian concepts there that they could try to argue they

704
00:46:18.039 --> 00:46:21.039
believe in the trinity, but it's almost a red defining

705
00:46:21.079 --> 00:46:25.119
of what the trinity is. They're not using historical traditional language.

706
00:46:25.199 --> 00:46:27.639
This is where creeds come into play, and this is

707
00:46:27.679 --> 00:46:34.280
where his church history comes into play. All Right, we'll

708
00:46:34.280 --> 00:46:37.840
stop right there. That got that got very interesting. All right,

709
00:46:37.880 --> 00:46:39.840
go listen to the rest. There's not a lot left

710
00:46:40.360 --> 00:46:42.840
and you can you can. Well, we didn't really get

711
00:46:43.079 --> 00:46:45.599
we didn't really get to the restoration of Israel, did we. See.

712
00:46:45.599 --> 00:46:47.840
This is what happens. See, this is the beautiful part

713
00:46:47.840 --> 00:46:49.719
of doing these reviews. We never know where we're gonna

714
00:46:49.800 --> 00:46:53.559
end up. We basically ended up into Ruckmanism, right we

715
00:46:53.719 --> 00:46:56.719
you now know a little about about Peter Ruckman and

716
00:46:56.800 --> 00:46:59.639
we we we just you just heard modalism. That's what

717
00:46:59.679 --> 00:47:04.719
you're heard, sometimes known as Sabellianism, or one is Pentecostalism.

718
00:47:04.880 --> 00:47:08.599
It's all heretical, it's not trinitarianism. All right, we'll stop

719
00:47:08.639 --> 00:47:11.639
right there. I don't know what else to say. Thanks

720
00:47:11.679 --> 00:47:17.039
for listening, everyone, have a great evening. God bless