Psalm 83: A Coming War? Pt 2

0:02 Looking at our world from a theological perspective. This is the Theology Central podcast making Theology Central. Good afternoon everyone. It is Friday, June the fourteenth, twenty twenty four. It is currently five point thirty six pm Central Time, and I am coming to you live from the Theology Central studio located right here in Abilene, Texas. Now, originally it was not labeled Part one. Originally it was just labeled Psalm eighty three coming war question mark, Psalm eighty three a coming war or coming war question mark. It was not labeled Part one, right, it wasn't. The original goal was just to say, hey, when I was driving around yesterday, I heard this message on the sermon's two point oh app let's listen to it together, and then that would be it. That would kind of bey this. It would introduce you to this series because we were listening to audio of a church doing a series on Psalm eighty three. They refer to this as the coming Middle East War, the war in the Middle East, and I'm like, okay, so I can tell everyone about it. It's really going to just inform people.

1:15 We'll offer a little bit of critique and analysis. It'll be interesting it'll be quick. It'll be like, I don't know, twenty thirty minute broadcast. It'll be over quickly, and then I'll just move on with my day. Well, it turned into a sixty three sixty four minute long broadcast, and well that part one, well it wasn't a part one, but I had to label it part one because then I knew I've got to do a part two. But then I thought, you know what, I won't really do a part two. I'll just leave that one Psalm eighty three a coming war question mark, and then I'll just start like maybe I don't know Psalm eighty three Part one, Psalm eighty three Part two, or or Psalm eighty three something I don't s eighty three the Summer to You of God. I don't know what I was going to do. But then I thought, but I can I just forget what we did in that first one, because that first one ended abruptly right the audio we were reviewing. It's a fifteen minute program, a fifteen minute broadcast, and it just kind of cut off, and I'm like, well, do I just I know I told everyone to go listen to it, but I know I'm gonna have to listen a part two.

2:23 So if I'm going to listen to part two, well, then let me just get a broadcast in and let's just listen to part two. Now. My fear is, well, then I'm going to want to listen to part three. Remember there's eleven parts in this series that I introduced everyone too, but I don't want to review all eleven parts. So there's a danger, like if I do this to part two, now, am I going to have to do a part three? I don't know. I don't know. And it's interesting because there's only eighteen verses and in a roundabout way, at least they feel like they covered nine vers is in about five minutes, and I'm not so. I don't is in part two are they going to go back and really cover those nine verses or are they just going to move forward? And how do they get all the way to eleven parts? I've got so many questions, but I'm like, we've got what do I do?

3:15 So I've been here debating, debating, debating, Well, obviously here I am so. And if you look now, if you look on your church one app or the sermon's two point oh app, it now says part one and if you look on all the other podcasting apps, they may take a while for the RSS feed to update. They say Part one, because I realize, well, I've got to do this. I've got to go back to this. So let me just give you the basic information. Yesterday, driving around and a car, I was listening to all kinds of content and sermons on the Sermon's two point oh app because well, this, this entire year is the Sermon's two point oh app Challenge. I've challenged you to download the Sermon's two point oh app from the Apple App Store the Google Play Store and start choosing a sermon every single day as random as possible. And then I have been coming along off like, hey, let's focus on this topic, or look up sermons on this verse, or whatever the case may be, to try to, you know, add variety to what we are doing. So yesterday, while I was driving around, I stumbled upon a series on Psalm eighty three. Each one is entitled Psalm eighty three The Coming Middle East War, Part one, Part two, Part three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten eleven. We've found out that this is really a radio broadcast that's about fifteen minutes long that they're uploading those episodes to the sermons two point oh app I believe there's an RSS feed attached, so we'll just call it they've turned it into a podcast, even though they don't use that word. If there's an RSS feed attached, it's connected to a podcast. All right. This is from Central Baptist Church.

4:45 And I told everyone to go download all eleven parts. If you haven't downloaded all eleven, please go download it and please listen to them, please, please, please please. There was a lot of things. I gave a lot of praise for a lot of compliments, a lot of things. I am still a little baffled with their approach to the text, mainly their title, because if I read Ssaw eighty three, I don't think the coming Middle East war. When I read Psalm eighty three, I'm like, wow, Israel was facing like a you know, a group of people coming against them. This a group of people coming against them, and the psalmist is is praying to God to step in and to intervene. So this would be more like the prayer for God's intervention, God's intervention in the midst of war.

5:41 I don't but not something about the coming war. This is all talking about something going on. Then it's you know, like, yeah, we could just go through it all. And so I'm just baffled by why they gave it that title. After listening to their part one, we were never given really a reason why it's called the Coming Middle East War, because even from the the author's perspective of PSAW eighty three, the human author's perspective, something was already going on, something already had happened and was happening. Even in the Saw eighty three, it's not saying, hey lord, this is going to happen. It's like this has happened. So even from that perspective, it's it's confusing. So when when I start getting confused and I'm just trying to look at something, you know what I do, I started handing out really assignment. So I told everyone read PSAW eighty three, what title would you give it? And then I'm like, well, he mentions this interesting thing starting, and I'm reading now from the New King James, The King James and Psalm eighty three. I don't like the way it begins.

6:47 It throws me off. But PSAW eighty three, if we jump down, well, let's just read let's start reading from I'm gonna read from the New King James. We'll just start in verse one. We'll just put this back together. Psalm eighty three, starting a verse one, do not keep silent, Oh God, do not keep silent, Oh God. You can hear the psalmist pleading with God. God, don't remain silent, as if God had been silent, and a lot of bad things is going on. The King James puts it, keep not thou silence, keep not thou silence. It's just so, it doesn't It doesn't flow well for me. I don't know. It just feels weird even sing it. I want to say, keep not thy silence, but keep not thou silence. That just reads weird to me. Maybe it's just something in my mind. It just reads weird.

7:39 But the same concept, keep not thou silence, hold not thy peace, and be not still, Oh God, the psawmist is saying, you know, as as it reads in the New King James, do not keep silent, Oh God, do not hold your peace be and do not be still. Oh God. We need I need God. I need you to I need you to act, I need you to move because something is going on. He goes on to say verse two, this is the sawmist praying to God for behold your enemies. Now that's fascinating. The psawmist perceives that these people are God's enemies. Right, So that's okay. We could get into a discussion there, right, For behold your enemies make a tumult, and those who hate you have lifted up their head. Hey, God, your enemies are are causing trouble. They're active, They're doing something. I need you to meet their action. I need you to meet they're noise.

8:46 We need you to speak up. And what have they done? They speaking of these enemies, they have taken crafty counsel against your people. Now I think the issue is are the way the Samis is approaching this is that these people, these enemies are coming against Israel. Israel is God's people based off a covenant relationship. All right. They have taken crafty counsel against your people and consulted together against your sheltered ones. And they have said, come, let us cut them off from being a nation that the name of Visual may be remembered no more. Now this is not I don't believe this is anyway saying of something that's going to happen. The Psalms is saying, this is going on right now. God, I need you to act now now if if they're going to connect to some future prophecy, I would love to know on the basis of what. Maybe it's there right now, we're just working through it in real time, so maybe it's there. Remember, you know how I like to approach it as if whether I know or don't know, I always approach it as if I don't know, because I like to get you involved, right, So all right, so we see how it's written then verse five, For they have consulted together with one consent, they form a confederacy against you, the tints of Edom and the Ishamaelites, the Moab and the hag Rights. Now it's written a little differently in the King James, I said the hag rights. I think in the King James they call they are called the Hagarens. All right, But the hag Rights gibbel ammon

10:22 Amelek Felistia with the inhabitants of tire Assyria also has joined with them. They have helped the children of Lot. So Lord, all of these people have come together. This doesn't I don't again, I don't see this as pointing forward. This is happening now. That's why the Sawmis is crying to God. Now again, if you're going to say this is a a prophecy, I wouldn't. I don't know. I don't know what you would base that off of. All right, but okay, so God's like, hey, So the Sawmist is like, God, we need you to do something. Please, please wake up, do something right, because your enemies are active, and your enemies have come together against us Israel. They don't want us to no anger be a nation. So then he gets specifically what he wants them to do. Lord, deal with them, Deal with these enemies, as with Midian, as with Cesarea, Ceserah, as with Jabin at the brook of Kishon, who perished at indore who became as refuged on the earth.

11:31 Make the nobles like Oreb and like zeb Yes, all their princes, like Zeba and Zalmuna, who said, let us take for ourselves the pastures of God for a possession. So what basically the Psalmist does here is Lord, and this current situation act as you have in the past. And he mentioned specific groups where God has done something specific situations where God had intervened. Now you can read about some of these situations, mainly in the Book of Judges. Mainly in the Book of Judges is where you can find the references. Now I want to go. What I wanted to do is possibly go to each one, and maybe I'll do that on Sunday. But I still want to challenge you. Most of those places and their defeat is mentioned in the Book of Judges, and you can see how God intervened, and He's like, deal with the current threat in the same way. Deal with them, as with Midian, as with cesare Ces sesa Era. How would you say it. I want to say, cisarea, But okay, but Sis sis Era, as with Jabin at the brook of Kishon, who perished an Indoor, who became as refuge on the earth. Make their nobles like Arab and like zeb Yes, all the princes, like Zeba and Zalmuna, who said, let us take for ourselves the pastures of God for a possession.

12:56 Hey, these very specific people. Go after this, do to do to the current situation what you've done to these people. And then you can look up those references, and again I think all of them, I could be wrong, but I think every single one of them is in the Book of Judges. I think every single one. And just do realize that in the there's a difference between the new King James and the King James and how some of them are listed, or maybe the testing major. But in the King James we have for they have consulted together. He mentions them, do unto them as unto the Midianite. Sorry, that's just right, Cessera, as to Jabon and the brook of Kishan which she's perished into. Okay, all of them are the same. There, all of them are the same.

13:37 There's the only one I guess is really different is in verse six, and that's only just nothing major. Just keep that in mind, right, So hey, do to them, do in the current situation what you've done in the past. Right, That makes perfect sense. Then verse thirteen, Oh my God, make them like the whirling dust, like the chaff before for the wind, as the fire burns the woods, as the flame sets the mountains on fire. So pursue them with your tempest, frighten them with your storm, fill their faces with shame that they may seek your name, O Lord. Now, he specifically wants them to do God wants to act.

14:20 For God to act in the present as he had in the past, then it really lays out some very specific things he wants God to do. But notice this, I do love this part. Do all of these things that they may seek your name, O Lord, Act so that these individuals may seek your name. Oh Lord, I think there's something. I think there's probably a very powerful lesson there. Let them be confounded and dismayed forever. Yes, let them be put to shame and perish, that they may know that you, that they may know that you, whose name alone is the Lord, are the most high over all the earth. Let this happen so that they all may know that you are the most high over all the earth.

15:13 God, intervene so that everyone will know you're the most high over all the earth, that you are sovereign, that you are Lord, that you are the Ruler. I think maybe the powerful lesson here is in Psalm eighty three sixteen to eighteen. Psalm eighty three, sixteen through eighteen. That's where I'm starting to get. That's where my meditation is taking me. All right now, I'm still interested in looking up, Hey, what did how did God deal with the Midianites, well we know and Judges how did how did God deal with these these different locations? They're all written about in Judges, So we need do we need all the details or do we need just a basic summary? How important? The details may be somewhat important because then we know what this the sawmist was praying for. But again, this is all about the past and the present, not the only future part is when will God do these things to the enemies that they were facing at that time?

16:18 Is this a situation where we're going to say God never intervened and answered this prayer and p SSAW eighty three and the answer to this prayer will happen in the future. Is that how we get to the future. I don't know. But let's go to part two from Central Baptist Church SAW eighty three The Coming Middle Eastward Part two. Please go download their entire series. Look, whether we agree or disagree, they've gotten us talking about SSAW eighty three. I've provided an outline and part one I can give the outline again. There's more here that we can think about, we can consider. I know, we just kind of work, we're kind of just walking through this in real time, but we will we will figure this out. So are you ready?

17:11 I know that's already seventeen minutes, but okay, I still think to me, yeah, and knowing what God did to these countries, these nations, are these peoples in the past that they it may provide something here, But I just think that the real like what's screaming out at us is verse sixteen, seventeen and eighteen. But maybe that's just maybe I'm looking for how to handle the chapter. But let's see how they handled it. I skip their intro. We're just going right in to their teaching and it begins right now. You pray, and you say, well, is it really right to pray against somebody? Well, the first thing that you do pray, whether it's for a nation or another person, is to pray that they'll repent and get right with God. Get it right there in according with the King James, Bible, the Way of God, the Word, the Truth.

18:21 But if they won't do that, then they're trying to do things as this, pray that they'll be soundly defeated and taken out of existence. Now you say you mean to kill every one of them? No, I didn't say that, taken out of existence is to take out their false doctrine, their evil way and all that they're doing, because eventually, when people follow that, they end up in hell. It's a matter of love to say, Lord remove them. Why because we don't want people going to Hell that get taken in by these wicked ways. And most of them probably think that they're right and don't know that it's wicked. Now he goes on that verse says, which perished at ondoor. You know, when I see that word ondoor in the Bible, I think of one situation involved King Saul. It's interesting the way they do this. They just have their kind of their normal intro, you know, the music, the voice over, and then it just comes right in from picking up where the last broad well, they backed it up a little bit in the last broadcast that he doesn't even come in in offer a spoken like, okay, this is where we ended in the last broadcast. Now we're going to pick it up where we left off in this verse. So he picked it up with a with the whole situation of praying against your enemies. Maybe there is a place for that discussion. But we

19:55 still don't really understand anything about Psalm eighty three and and I know I kept saying, giving you all kinds of different ways of pronouncing it. Look what I did, Look what I did? All right, hang on, let me go find this all right? Listen, listen? Are you ready? Okay? Listen? Asuel also has joined with them. They have helped the children of lot Cela. Do you want to them? Is undo the Midia Nights. As to Cicera, Cicarah, there we go, Cicarah, there we go. I don't know what in the world I was saying before Cicera. I think did he see it differently when we listened to part one? Maybe we did, all right, But the bottom line is for their part two, I thought he would at least come in and go okay. And our last episode we were doing this, this, this, this, this, So we're gonna back it up a little bit and we're gonna start right like. There's none of that. It's just kind of jumps. It's very abrupt. So we could have a discussion about praying against our enemies. So I'm gonna write that down, right, how should we pray for or against our enemies? Now, I'm gonna write that down. But here here, just listen to me. The reason I'm not going there for that conversation right now, is because I still want to understand the whole point of their approach

21:25 to so Many three is it's referring to a coming war. There's there's still no explanation to how this is about a coming war. So I'm a little perplexed there. So I still want that answer. Not only that, I don't want to get sidetracked on how should I pray for or against my enemies when I'm still trying to figure out everything going on in Saw eighty three. Right, I'm still trying to figure out the historical context. Right, I'm still trying to figure out that. So I'm yeah, so let's see what they do. Let's see if they get us anywhere that we can try to bring all this together somehow. He went and visited the witch at Ondoor to find out what's going to happen next, and he found out and the next day he was dead. So I want you to understand that sometimes, and it's fascinating that when he reads about on Indoor, he reads about Indoor and he goes to what happened with Saul and the Witch, but he doesn't talk about deal with them as with the Midians. He doesn't talk what God did with the Midianites and Judges Cicera. He doesn't talk what God did with Cicara and the Book of Judges. I believe, as with Jabon at Brooke Kishan, he doesn't talk. He only references Saul at Indra at Indoor. But does that have anything to do with this current situation? So I like, I I'm so like the one reference he makes. It doesn't seem to have

22:57 anything to do with the actual hecks, the actual context here are helping us understand it. When you go away from God's way, God's will, doing God's will, God's way in God's timing. When you get away from that, then my friend, you're looking at the ways of evil, of wrong, and perhaps even death, as did King Saul find out. So again, don't fall into those sins. So he says, they became as dung for the earth. Now think of those nations he's talking about here in this tenth of verse. They became dung for the earth. Now, trying not to be too graphic, I'm just going to say, if you walk through a cole pasture, there are certain piles of things that you don't want to step in the apostle. Paul said that he counted all the things that the world would have said, Man, look at him, he's rich, he's got this, he has that. And they would have said all those good things that saw God. His name was Saul before he was Paul before his salvation, and the apostle after he got right with God. He said all those things that the world thinks is gayten great, he says, he counted them, but dung. That was the level he put that on. Now, Pope, that's just fascinating. How do you get a cross reference from

24:33 here to Philippians just simply because the word dung. No, the issue is the Psaumus is asking God to deal with them the enemies that are come to that are conspiring against them, that have formed a confederacy against Israel. Hey, God, this confederacy, deal with them as you have with the Midianites. Okay, that's the cross reference we need. Where did he deal with them Midianites the Book of Judges as with Cicerah. Yeah, and oh and and let that guy who does the Theology Central podcast say it correctly, Cisra, what did he do with them? As with Jabin at Brook Kishon.

25:14 Right. So now that's that's talking about a specific situation at a specific location. What happened there? I believe it's in the Book of Judges who perished at Indoor, right. So now that's giving us specific locations about specific things. The key is to go back and say, what did God do there? Who became as refuse or dung on the earth? Right? So we need to see how God intervened there, because that's exactly what the Psalmist is asking for. I don't know how that gets me to Philippians that sometimes people do cross cross reference by it. Well, this word is used. Now, let's look up all the places that word is used. No, look up all the places that word is used. What has some context to what's going on? Okay, there's got to be some correlation. Right. A lot of people view things of this world and they want to bring it into the church, and basically what they're doing is bringing done into church. There have been men that have made millions off their rock music. They've made millions off their psychology and the books they write on psychology and philosophy and things of that nature. But all they've done is ruined lives. They've how does rock music and psychology show up in a discussion and Psaw eighty three about Midy and

26:48 Ciera, Jabin brook A, Kisheon and indoor understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. Okay, blasphing God by using, for an example, the rock and roll music, nostrobe, lights, and things of that nature in the church. And they said, well, we are putting good words to it, We're putting God's words to it. No, it's not God's words. It's just a word or two from the Bible that they put into it. But really they're not delivering the message of righteousness and true holiness, which is what God commands. In Ephesians chapter four, verses twenty two through twenty four, he commands us to turn to righteousness and true holiness. He says, to put off the old man. We find out that you are not as first. Peter chapter one tells us verses fourteen through seventeen, to passion to yourself. Passion is mean to emulate yourself to something. I truly don't understand how he got there.

28:07 From Psalm eighty three, simply because the word dung is used then he goes to Philippians and next thing you know, it's rock music, strobe light psychology. What I and I still know is that the coming war coming to the Middle East is that the coming wark is that the coming Middle East War that I so don't try to fashion yourself to the former lust, the former evil, the former things. I remember. I grew up in the fifties and sixties, so I remember seeing when the miniskirt came out, and ladies weren't wearing miniskirts to church, but their addresses started getting shorter. Okay, Psalm eighty three, and now we're talking when the mini skirt came out. I'm not understanding here. If the title is the coming Middle East War, then

29:38 the thesis, even though it has remained unspoken, the thesis must be that Psalm eighty three is speaking about a coming war in the Middle East. That doesn't appear to be what this is about. Now, this is about I I'm not so, I don't understand, So I don't want to belabor this point. But I'm gonna let this play out because it can only it's probably only a couple more minutes. I'm gonna at least let this play out. Then we can just set this to the side. I still want you to go listen to the rest. I still want you to go listen to the rest, because and I will listen to the rest as well. I just don't think I'm going to continue to use more of this to review, because this has at least got us to SAW eighty three. It's done its job.

30:26 It's got us to SAW eighty three. The only reason I'm doing part two is because I thought maybe part two we kind of we would understand, like, Okay, this is how we got here, this is why I called it the coming Middle East War. Then, the only reason I'm listening to this is I thought that this would get us there. It's I don't really understand where we're I don't even understand where we are anymore. Okay, so we've kind of left the road. So I'm going to at least let him go. He can take us down off the road, and then it'll be my job to say, we're gonna set that aside now. Now SAW eighty three has been handed to us. Now it's your job and my job to then do some some some serious work on SSAW maighty three and try to understand exactly what we can gain from it, all right, and I'll give you some cross references to work on, because I mean the first part of the first Well, we'll get back to Psaw eighty three in a minute, and we'll we'll we'll throw out it again. Well, we'll we'll repeat, we'll be a little repetitive, but will be repetitive to try to keep us on track. All right, So here we go and shorter. Sometimes the tops are getting lower and lower. Now, lady, let me tell you, if you're a lady listening, if you're dressing in a way that stirs the luss of a man, then you are at the same level as a harlot. You're drawing men to you and say I don't agree with that, pastor, Well, you don't have to agree with it, but it is

31:59 the truth. You see, some ladies will wear a low cut dress low cut. That sure is putting the responsibility. I don't I don't even know why. A part of me doesn't want to comment on this because it has nothing to do with p. Eighty three. That's sure, he's putting the responsibility on the women. Hey, a woman, if you if you do something to basically cause a man of lust. You're you're dressing like a Harlot. Well wait a minute, who whoa whoa whoah woah, Wait a minute, isn't it the man's fault. Isn't it the man's fault? Now you could argue, you could argue that a woman may want to try to do what she can to be helpful. But I mean, I mean we can.

32:40 I mean, we need a whole discussion discussion how lust works and where lust arises from, and and we could get into a lot of discussion and we could say what can be helpful not helpful, but it really I mean, yeah, I mean that gets it. I mean I don't do we want to get into all of that. I just think sometimes church has always put the responsibility on the one, Hey, you're addressing to cause lust. Or maybe it's just the man's fault for looking and thinking and allowing lust to you know, Like I think the famous quote, I don't know if it's actually from Luther. I think it's often attributed to Luther. You cannot stop a bird from flying over your head. You can stop it from building a nest in your hair. Hey, the bird's gonna fly over your head.

33:24 You can't stop that. Right, There's going to always be some kind of lust, some there's always going to be internal issues because we have a sinful nature, and all of those things arise. Adultery, lust, it arises from inside of us, not externally. It's already inside of us. Now you can say with these things, feed it or spark it, but you're putting the responsibility on the woman instead of putting the responsibility on the on the man. Right now, a man may say, please help me out, Please help me out here, I need some assistance, right, okay, But then we just got to acknowledge our own weakness and our own friend. It's not don't put the blame on the woman. We've got to put the blame on us. Right. But again, I don't even know why we're having this discussion. We're supposed to be figuring out Psaw eighty three. But blaust and it shows very little bit. It'll show something. If it shows one hundredth of your body that only your husband should see, then lady, you're dressed like a harlot and you need to get it right. You know, we read in Proverbs that there is that dress that pertains to a harlot.

34:42 We read in the Book of Ezekiel. This is the most like from a hermeneutical standpoint, I am baffled. We're in Psalm eighty three and now we're going after the attire of a harlet. What what do you think it means? The attire of a harlot, the dress of a harlot. I think it's mentioned in proverbs. What do you think that means? Do you think it means immodest or do you think harlot's worth something to let everyone know that they were a harlot? Is it because of the immodesty or was it because of the decoration or the coloring? Or I mean, I don't know, do you know? I mean, pastors just assume, Hey, it's this. And if you if you show one whatever, the smallest amount of what only your husband should see. How much can a woman show before she's showing more than she like? Where? Where is that line exactly? And why again, we're putting the responsibility on the woman, not the man, Okay, And and it does the same thing is the man should be just discovered as a woman so that he does not show anything that would only be for his wife. So should man wear just nothing but anywhere they time they leave the house, long sleeve shirts, pants, never wear shorts. Is that is that? I mean, if it's if one, if it's good for one, it's got to be good for the other, right right,

36:17 I mean, but I don't even know what we're supposed to be on saw Maty three. As you get there in the middle of the book, there around chapter sixteen, you'll you'll see it talks about the harlot and the woman that just gives herself other words, it seems to list the harlot as not as bad as the other woman, and the harlot is doing it because she's trying to earn a living. But the woman that just gives herself to other men, that has relationships with other men, has those sexual relationships, she is considered by the Bible by God, not me, saying it is God that she is lower than the harlot. She's worse. Back in Old England, there was a word that was used to describe dirtyness. For an example, this person didn't keep themselves clean. This is a person that was bad in various things of their dealings every day. And so because it had an idea of filth and yep, kind of an idea, and so the word, the term slut began. It was not a curse word of any kind.

37:31 It was just a word that described filthiness, just like what the word harlot would describe a filthiness in morals. Well, that's what a slut was considered from those that terminology. Oh wow, this is a series on Psalm eighty three, and now we're talking about the origins of a word that I'm not going to currently say on air. I'm not going to currently say that word. Uh okay, I don't even know what to say. Let's just continue that just gave themselves to other men. And by the way, men can be that too, because it's as wrong for them to commit adultery as it is for the woman. It's just as deep down, low down evil.

38:37 And so that is just some things. And you say you shouldn't talk like that. You're on the radio, Well, yes, we're on the radio telling the people the truth. We're trying to rescue people from the sin, not to give them an okay to continue in sin, because one day we'll all appear before the judgment seed of Christ to receive the things which we have done according to that which we've done, whether it be good or bad. We find out in First Corinthians chapter four that the hidden things of darkness will be revealed in that day, and it's talking about Christians. You realize that fourth chapter First Quintin's is addressed to Christians and the hidden things of darkness in their life. Oh, they're doing this on the side, they're doing that on the side. And it might be drugs, it might be lotto gambling, it might be having a somebody that's running around with doing things they shouldn't be doing things that are sin. And my friend, the hidden things of darkness will be revealed. I remember, look, I can't even look.

39:40 I can't get into any of these things because this is about supposed to be about Psalm eighty three, right, So okay, well we could we could have a long discussion there. Obviously, there's just basic theological questions. So you come to Christ, you confess your sins to Christ. He's faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. So all of our sins are going to be forgiven because of the blood of Jesus Christ, that we are declared to be perfect and righteous and holy in Christ positionally, But we're gonna get to heaven and God's gonna be like, hey, everyone, come around. Look here this person was doing abced and gonna reveal it to everyone. Meaning then my sins are not really forgiven in Christ because He's going to bring them up, So there's no point really confessing them or anything. I guess maybe it be forgetting they're forgiven, but God's still going to bring them up to bring about the greatest amoudy of humiliation and shame he can for you. Like I oh, there's so many questions about that. In counseling with a couple, one time I told them, I said, look, you've ran around. You've ran around, but your children don't know it, and it would be good for children not to know it.

41:02 But if you don't get your life right with God, if you don't get those things right with the people that you sinned with, then those hidden things of darkness will be revealed in heaven. Then if your children are saved and they're there, they are going to hear everything because your pride kept you from making things right with God and with those that you were in sin with. Are those that you wronged so you have to there's steps you have to take to keep God from mentioning them, mentioning them when you get to heaven. If you don't take the correct steps, you're gonna get to heaven. God's gonna be like, all right, everyone, it's story time. I've got a good one today. Next up is Bob from California. Bob in California did not make the following things right. Bob from California was a porn addict. Bob from California held great grudges against his mother in law and at times probably wanted her to die. Is like, is that how it's going to be? I'm not trying to make fun of it, but is that the way it's going to go down? Or when he says make it right with God? If you're a Christian, have you in a sense not made it right with God? You put your faith in Jesus Christ. Your sins have been removed as far as the east is from the west, they have been covered by the blood of Christ. Christ has paid for all of those sins on the cross. He propitiated the wrath of God on your behalf.

42:29 And what does any of this have to do with saw eighty three. So again we're just trying to teach the word as it is to men as they are, but without making an apology for it, because there's no reason to apologize for the truth that God gives us teaching the word as it is. I gave I applaud. I think that that's a great concept they came up with. My issue is is this is not teaching Psalm eighty three as it is. None of this is in Psau eighty three. Literally, none of this is in Psaw eighty three, like literally none of it, none of it. Okay, all right, all right, let's let's find we got at least let this finish, because because now this helps us, because now we can say, okay, we listened to part one apart two. There was no clear thesis given, there was no hypotheses given. So we don't really have to try to fix that, right, We don't have to.

43:31 We don't have to either. We can't challenge it, we can't test it, we can't do anything with it. But they but they the good thing is they gave us Saw eighty three, So we're gonna take the good from it, and then we will run with that. And we're gonna be working on SAW eighty three for I don't even know how long, because I love to let this things just develop organically. Here, I'm just I'm just baffled by I just don't look and I and and and I know because before someone emails me and criticizes me, all right, So let me just go ahead and get this out of the way. I understand they have a radio program. I understand they have a church that has a studio. I understand that that church has more people than I have ever ministered to, probably in my entire life. They have more resources, more money, more recognition. They are more respected than I will ever be. For me, I am a failure in every way possible. So for those you want to go ahead and tell me my failure, I understand I'm a failure in every way possible.

44:32 I have failed and thought word indeed, by why I've done, by why I've left undone, I have been a failure in ministry. And I know that I'm a nobody who just trying to figure this out. So this is not about criticizing them. This is about I'm just baffled how all this came from PSAW eighty three. And you can criticize me all day for being baffled by it, but I'm baffled by it. I can't help that. Now. What I'm going to do is I'm not here then to I told you to go listen to them, subscribe to them, listen to everything I am by no means telling you not to listen to them. What I'm doing now is gonna say, Okay, thank you so very much. You gave me Saw eighty three. Now let us run with it, and we will figure it out. We will figure it out. We will, we will, we will take it from here, create our own kind of thesis hypotheses about Saw eighty three, try to come up with an interpretation, understanding the historical context, and then trying to figure out what is the main lesson of Saw eighty three. And we're gonna change our title, and we're not gonna leave our titles Saw maybe three, the Coming Middle East War. We're gonna change it to something else. And then we're gonna work on a title, and we're gonna we're gonna, we're gonna bet before this is over. This is not gonna be about criticism. This is gonna be about taking it and making it positive. What I want everyone to learn that lesson. You say, well, I was listening to sermons and I don't like this one. I don't like this one. Stop focusing on what you don't like. Take the sermon and do something with it. You will the the responsibility to get something from a sermon. Most of it lies with you. Right. Look,

46:05 I can sit here and go, man, I don't know what that was. Next. No, No, I'm not here to do that. I'm here to go Okay, Well, I don't get this. I don't understand this. I don't I'm perplexed by how they got here. But you know what, that's irrelevant. That's irrelevant to this entire discussion. Great, that's how they wanted to hit to handle saw maighty three. Clearly the a lot of people love the way they handled it. A lot of people loved it, and they they get support and they're wonderful. Great. Fine, Next, I'm already over that. Let's move on. Like I'm I'm not worried about what they do or didn't do. Now it's up to us. Now I have a responsibility to say, Okay, so what do we do with saw maty three? What do we do? So we're gonna work on Saw eighty three. We're gonna work on it, and we're gonna get We're gonna take something that maybe I disagree with and turn it into something positive. So this doesn't just become a criticism, becomes all right, you put forth your hypotheses. Thank you. Oh well, I don't even know if they put fourth throw they put forth their approach to Saw eighty three. Let's state it that way, all right, thank you. We're going to approach it in a different way. So that's what we're gonna do. So let's let this finish up. And so here we see in verse eleven, make their nobles as Orb. Now make them like Orb and like z read Zeb and all

47:38 there princes as Zeba and as Zelmuna. And verse twelve says who said, let us take to ourselves the houses of God in possession, people into attack Israel and take all they had. They want to take the houses of God and anything that would worship the true and Living God. They wanted to work against God. It's just like, do you have a government now that all of a sudden they're wanting to shut down churches. They're want in churches not to have church services. At certain times, in certain days and certain things.

48:19 I found it interesting that are you talking during the pandemic? Are you talking during the Every time I hear this argument about, well, they tried to shut down churches. Oh, in many cases they just limited the number of people who could attend. But guess what, they didn't limit the number of services one could have. So if you had a thousand people, just have services Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, go to a seven day week situation and just limit the number of people in and then follow any of the rules. And not only that, you could have been broadcasting from your sanctuary twenty four hours a day, seven days a week. But okay, hey, but all right, okay, the covid epidemic that there were in states where they were closing down churches for being open, when those people were worshiping, as the Bible called them, on that day Sunday, which was the first day of the week, which is the day of the Lord's resurrection. Every Sunday, my friend, is a celebration and a worship of our risen Lord and Savior, for that is the day that he rose from the dead. Is on a Sunday. But they were trying to close churches down. And yet in the same communities, the very same communities, they would not close down strip houses, They would not

49:52 close down some beer joints. Oh, so you're gonna give me some specific situations, because I when the pandemic was going how does this have anything to do with PSA eighty three? Okay? But when when this was going on, I kept hearing a lot of these claims. So then I would go and look and go, well, wait a minute, all right, and maybe in some cases try to call the places or research the place. Well, this place is open, but they got like fifty restrictions. What are you talking about? Or well, like, well they're telling the church they can't do this, but they they have Walmart is open. What do you want the grocery stores to be closed down? Is that really what you're calling for? In many cases, you could you could have been doing. And I kept saying it, Look, we may you may have to take a stand at some point. I got no problem if you think you have to take a stand. But in many cases you could have. You could have gone above and beyond the restrictions that were placing on you and worked around it, and you could have had more church. You could have had more services, you could have done more, you could have broadcasted more, you could have done more podcasting, you could have done a million things. You said, well, well they won't let this many people in, we'll just have more services. Just space them out and limit the number of people who come in. There's a million things you could just think outside the box instead of just throwing a fet and other things because they said those are needs. Okay,

51:23 so strip houses are needs. Oh my friend, That again is what they were doing in the Bible, as to say hey, we can do this, we can do that. People over there a bunch of legalists. If I can preach on alcohol one Sunday in my church, and I've done that on several occasions, and there's a Christian out there that drinks social drinking, they'll call us legalists and walk out. And we've been called legalists for various things, for having some standards that are holy and righteous and all that. But look, they say legless about that thing. But yet there are other things that they would be against. For an example, if I said, hey, listen, I need to make some money, so I'm going to take your three or four children and sell them to a trafficker because I need money. This is your radio pastor, pastor Andy Bloom saying yeah, I don't okay, all right, so we're done with that, all right.

52:29 I'm not gonna offer any more criticism or anything like. That's great. They presented Psaw eighty three to us, So thank you very much for presenting Saw eighty three to us. I don't really understand your approach to Psalm eighty three, but that's fine. That's okay. Everyone can go listen to the rest. I want everyone to go listen to the rest. Now it's up to us to do something with Saw eighty three. So that's going to be our focus from this point forward. It's gonna be we're just gonna turn this into Psaw eighty three and move forward. I'll do moving forward. I'll do a little bit of backing up. I'll try to offer an outline. I'll try to offer some things. But to get back to the part where we spent a little bit of time focusing on. So if you remember, so, a number of these nations come against Israel. They consult together a confederacy. Those nations are mentioned in verse six, the tensive Itom, the Ishmaelites, the hag Rights giebel Amon, Amlek Felicitia, and the inhabitants of tire Assyria also joined with them. They have helped the children of Lot, right, Okay, so there we have so there we have the nations coming against them. You can look up each one. You can get a basic idea of who they are. All right, then Sila, all right, think about here's their problem, this great confederacy of nations, or I won't say great, this confederacy of nations coming against Israel. They don't want Israel to exist anymore. Okay, good, that's what's going on. All right.

53:47 Now, We're not good that that's happening, but good that we can understand that. That's simple, straightforward, all right. So then the Saumus Praise. Deal with them, this confederacy of nations. Deal with them as you did with the Midianites or with midian Now you can read about what God did with the Midianites if you would like. You can read about that. The Midianites were one of the enemies mentioned in Psaw eighty three and Judges chapter six through eight. We see the account of how God delivered the Israelites from the oppression of the Midianites. You can look at Judges six through eight if you need cross referencing. If you need cross referencing, Okay, So there's the Midianites, asssa Our Cicera. Cicera was the commander of the Canaanite army who oppressed the Israelites, and Judges chapter four through five we read about how God orchestrated the defeat of Csera. There're Cserah all right, as with Jabin at the brook Kishron. Jabin was the king of Hazor who allied with Cicera against the Israelites. And Joshua eleven. We learned about how Joshua led the Israelites to defeat Jabin and his forces. So there we go. There's another cross reference. Right, these are things you need to know because this shows you how God dealt with them in the past. All right, Now, how much of that information do you need to do you stop and go look at each one of those accounts. We could probably debate on hermoneutically or or at least from a preaching perspective. How much do we go back and look at all of them? Right? So there's probably some ways we could find some

55:17 summaries on each one of them. All right, but there you go. All right, then who perished at Endoor? All right, well we won't get into that. Orb Orb and zeb Orb and zeb these two leaders of the Midianite army were defeated by Gideon and the Israelites and judges seven verse twenty five. All right, I think that now there's probably a couple more here you could look up. Those are the cross references we need. So you want to cross reference that. And all you really want to do is just be able to summarize and like a sentence, this is what God did against this group and this group in this group. This is what the sawmus and Psaw eighty three is praying that God will do in the present against this confederacy of nation that wants Israel to stop existing. Okay, so there we go.

56:04 Then he gets very I want you to do what you've done. But then he goes on in ads in verse thirteen, fourteen and fifteen these things that he wants to happen to them specifically. Right then sixteen seventeen and eighteen is I think where the real spiritual food is sixteen seventeen and eighteen is where I think the real spiritual food is. So I'm not going to say anymore because we're at fifty six minutes. Again. I thought this is going to be quick, but I I there we go. I don't know what to make of it. I don't know what. I don't know what to do. How did this happen? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. And just remember again when I do this, I don't listen to these things before. Right, I had no idea what was going to happen in part two. I was really hoping Part two would kind of explain why this is called becoming Middle East war. Now, maybe we have to listen to part three four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten eleven to find out. If you find out before me, email me immediately. Newsif at yahoo dot com, that's the news. If at yahoo dot com before we can find out. But what's amazing about that? And this is not even a criticism. This is just a fact, and this is something we can try to process the way he handled PSAWM eighty three. There, I'm baffled by it. I'm completely confused.

57:31 Guess what they have an actual ministry that's probably bringing in far more money, have far more resources, they have far more support. They probably are making much a greater impact than I will ever make. So I don't understand it. But there's plenty of people out there who like that kind of preaching. They love that. They would have walked out of there going man that was convicting, Praise God. That was awesome. I will never be able to understand why some people love that kind of preaching. I don't get it, because, like I, you don't understand anything from Psalm eighty three. But that's okay. If that's what people want, that's great. I'm glad it's out there that can make people happy. But for me, I just don't understand it. I'm baffled by it. I gotta understand the chapter.

58:22 Now. What they've done for me is that now have set me now to be obsessed until I get some answers about Psalm eighty three because well, now they've presented it to me, and so I'm grateful for that. But that's what a lot of people like, That's what a lot of people think preaching is. That's what a lot of people love. A lot of people want that what I do, they loathe and they hate it. Now I'm not saying I'm right and they're wrong. I'm not even going there. But I'm just a little perplexed sometimes about what people actually want. So we need a title for Psalm eighty three. We need a title. We need to figure out when he says do unto these nations? So exactly what happened? What is he referring to? How much of that information do we need? And then I think the last part, those last three verses asaw maighty three, that's where we really need. That's where we're going to get our spiritual food, and we need to try to figure that out. All right, we've got another hour on this. That's two hours today. We've spent two hours.

59:27 All right, I got my We will get to that question. How should we pray for or against our enemies? We will have to get to that. I guess maybe Psalm eighty three does present a challenge there, does it not? Maybe that would be that would be applicable, that would be an applicable question to us. But I don't think we can really approach that yet. I don't know. All Right, you can email me news if at Yahoo dot com, that's news. If Yahoo dot com news, I f yeahoo dot com. Please look up that series, download each one. I'm begging you because we I do want to know if at some point they offer why they're calling it the coming Middle East War. I'm still baffled.

1:00:15 I'm perplexed by that. I just don't because and I and I'm not saying this sarcastically. Look if there's if there's some passage they're connecting this to, like, if there is some passage prophetic passage, and they're connecting Psalm eighty three to it, and I'm not thinking about it, then by all means I need to know that so that we can we can look at that perspective. I just I'm just confused at this point that I don't know how I don't. I mean, it goes eleven parts. There's got to be at some point. I mean, he's gonna be done with the chapter and what too, maybe two more episodes, so there's got to be then he's gonna take it somewhere else. So I am fascinated by that. So I will keep listening. I just don't think I'm gonna I'm just gonna keep listening and then if I find something, then I will. But if you listen ahead of me, let me know, because we do want to find out why we don't want to act like we've got that figured out because I don't.

1:01:10 Maybe you do, but I don't. I don't mean. Maybe there's some passors Saw eighty three is connected to that is very prophetic, and then I've got to then I got to work out the connection in my mind. All right, But there we go. Newsif at Yahoo dot com, that's news. If at Yahoo dot com. Everyone have a great Friday evening. God bless