July 28, 2024
Prayer: Jew vs Gentile Pt 1
We consider how the covenants with Israel impacts prayer
We consider how the covenants with Israel impacts prayer
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All right, Psalm eighty three. Now, the original goals this
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morning was to go back to eschatology and work on
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the Dividic Covenant for the first hour. But as I
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continue to think about Psaw eighty three, then I decided, well,
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we got we gotta do some more work here, and
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we're gonna We're gonna add some things to this and
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hopefully we'll be beneficial. We took a little detour on
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Ssaw eighty three because we ran into a problem. All right,
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So before we do any review of Psaw eighty three
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is just remind ourselves and Saw eighty three, there are
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I think two or three verses that we can really
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identify that clearly this is uh out there praying is
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going on. Right. We see this first of all in
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verse one Ssaw eighty three, Verse one, do not keep silent,
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Oh God, do not hold your peace, and do not
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be still, Oh God. Right, clearly the psawmist is crying
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out to God, and clearly that is implying not only
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do they feel like God that has not been present,
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God is not doing anything, but they're obviously asking God
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to do what To not be silent, to not hold
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your peace, and not be still to be involved, to
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engage to do something. Can we all? Ever, when I
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think hopefully we can agree with that, right, he goes
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on and the psalmist goes on to say, in verse nine,
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deal with them, right, And the dealing with them is
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dealing with these enemies who have consulted together and have
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formed a confederacy against Israel. Correct. And then verse thirteen, Oh,
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my God, make them like the whirling dust. So in
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all these verses we can clearly see Asaf, who's composed
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this psalm, is crying out to God for God to
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do what, to be involved, and to do something correct. Okay,
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so we know therefore this would meet the basic qualifications
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of a prayer. We know this is formed as a lamit,
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but there's clearly praying going on, asking God to do something.
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And I pointed out that anyone reading this should immediately
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be kind of confused by the prayer. I know nobody
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in churches think this way, but everyone should be bothered.
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And what should immediately come to our mind or should
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bother us or questions should form in our mind about
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this prayer? If you remember correctly, I said, well, this
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would be individuals praying to a God whom they cannot see,
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and that God whom they are praying to, at the
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bare minimum, knew these circumstances you're praying about was going
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to happen and did absolutely nothing to prevent them. At
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the very most, you are praying to a God whom
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you cannot see, who not only allowed the events to occur,
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who not only did nothing to prevent the events from occurring,
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but actually decreed them, and in his providence, is guiding
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and directing them. And if that is the case, then
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what question would you ask, what then are you praying for? Right?
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What are you praying for If you're praying to the
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very God who allowed it, if you're praying to the
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very God who decreed it, then by praying it would
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make no sense to them pray to that God to
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do what, to change it, or to intervene in it.
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Says he's the one allowing it, or depending on your theology,
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even decreeing it. It would seem like you would be
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actually going against the very will of God whom you
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are praying to. Now, once you ever point that out,
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Christians get very defensive, they get very bothered. And this
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to me demonstrates I've stated this so many times, not
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only in our praying, but in so many aspects of Christianity.
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Our Christianity and our praying is typically driven more by
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our our emotions, our feelings, our own personal ideas than
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it is our theology. Theology tends to be what by definition,
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it tends to be theoretical, right. In other words, we
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come to church, you sit in a pew, you learn
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theological concepts right, and everyone will do what I typically,
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I mean, unless they disagree with the theological concept. They
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will say amen to it, right. But then we walk
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right out the door, and before we even get home,
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we typically will demonstrate in our talking, thinking, desire, feeling,
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emotion that we in many cases live contrary to the theology
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which we claim right. And nobody likes to hear that,
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but it's just true, because it's very difficult not to
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allow all those things that make us up as people
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to be consistent with our theology. And I'm not even
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talking about like you know, oh well the Bible says
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be holy and we're not holy. I'm not even talking
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from a sin perspective. I'm just saying our thinking just
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like this in prayer, if we truly believe God decrees
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everything that comes to pass and he's guiding it from
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our providence. Then why are we praying for God to
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do something opposite of what is happening? That makes no
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sense from a theological perspective. And if you remember last time,
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I asked Ai to write a prayer and Ai was
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able to write a prayer consistent with the theology. And
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I kept arguing, and I kept asking the question, why
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could Ai write a prayer that's so consistent with the
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theology because there's no emotion involved? Right, all Ai has
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to do is like, here's the theology. Okay, what prayer
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would be consistent with this theology? And it could do
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it perfectly because there's no emotions involved. And that's that's
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a good thing, because it stands as a shark, a
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sharp contrast to what us which very contradictory of it.
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So I kept thinking about this whole subject, So you know,
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what do we do? What do we do? So remember
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last week we spent a lot of time looking at
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how different philological perspectives should approach prayer. Right, does everybody
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remember this? All? Right? So we talked about the reformed
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calvinistic perspective and the reform Calvinistic perspective, How should that
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perspective approach prayer. Yeah, prayer is not a means to
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do what. In the reformed perspective, it's not asking God
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to change anything. Prayer. The purpose of prayer is for
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you to align yourself with what his will, to submit
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to his will, to acknowledge his will, not to change it. Now.
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You know, people who hold to some form of reform theology,
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listen to how they pray, they do not pray consistent
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with their theology, not anywhere close. I know too many
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people are reformed who when they ask for prayer requests,
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they want God to actually change. And I'm like, come,
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that's not reformed. That's not reformed in any way shape
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perform Okay, And as remember, John Calvin taught that prayer
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is a way for believers to submit to God's will
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and find solace in his sovereignty. And the reformed perspective,
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prayer serves primarily as a means for believers to align
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themselves with the sovereign will of God. Calvinists believe that
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God's will is immutable and that his plan is perfect
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and comprehensive. Therefore, prayer is not seen as a way
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to change God's mind or alter his plans. You're not
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trying to change his mind. You're not trying to alter
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his plan. You're simply submitting to it. And I think
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many people who hold to reform view they don't. I
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don't know if they even think of it that way, right,
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I mean, because I know they don't. So we had
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a great discussion about that. The second view was what
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there are many in perspect In this view, basically, prayer
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is seen to do what to seek God's intervention, guidance
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and comfort in the midst of suffering. The only problem
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with the Armenian prayer is it becomes it has its
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own struggles, does it not? What are some of the
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issues with the Armenian approach? Right, Well, if you believe
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in free will, then why would you have God intervene?
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Because by intervening, he's by inevitably going to do what.
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He's changing something. Right, If someone's trying to do this
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and I'm asking God to intervene, then he's going after
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their free will. It just like if you can't change
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anything without altering everything. Right, And not only that, if
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God's if God is all worried about man's free will,
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his intervention is almost impossible because it's going to alter
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free will. And not only that, this begins to open
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up questions. We'll wait a minute, so is God decreeing it?
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Or is he not decreeing it he? Or is he
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not sovereign? And then this begins to create a whole
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host of issues. And Arminianism, not always, but logically tends
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to lead to wear open theism almost inevitably, not always,
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but because some people can hold a philological position that
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doesn't really make sense because they rarely take it to
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its logical conclusion. But open theism and open theism God
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doesn't know. And we talked, and we talked all about that.
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We also talked about middle knowledge and a little bit
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of that, and that didn't really help. So we went
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through all of them, did we not? Okay? Now, by
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going through all of them, we were still We ended
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last week by looking at all of that, but we
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didn't really resolve a problem. So when I got ready
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to start thinking about the dividic Covenant and about some
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of that, for the first hour, I just like, well,
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we didn't really resolve the problem. So go back to
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Psalm eighty three and look again at the verses that
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speak about basically praying. We have at least three, right,
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We have the first one correct, The second one is
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what verse six? I believe nine? Okay? And the other
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one is what thirteen? Right? So those three verses, when
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it comes how how would you define their praying? And
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those three verses? How would you define the prayer? There?
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It's clearly seeming to ask what it's specific, but it
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seeming to be asking for intervention? Right, It's not just
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submitting to God's will. It's asking God to what alter
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and change something? And for God to alter and change something,
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would he be respecting the free will of the nations
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who know he would be going against them? In fact,
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it's asking God to defy their will, to stop their will,
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to prevent their will from happening. So immediately we're like, well,
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wait a minute, how does this prayer fail into these
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different theologies? And I will argue it doesn't really fit in,
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does it? So then what do we do with it?
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Anybody got to answer, I don't know if you have
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an answer. I think I have an answer. Now I'm
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gonna present my answer, you know how, I'm gonna present
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it more as a hypothesis. Right, None of those theologies.
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Does it doesn't fit the reformed perspective? Does it? In
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some ways it doesn't really fit the our many in
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perspective because you're going to violate someone's will? Are you
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not open theism? I guess it could kind of go
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with open theism. God didn't know this was going to happen. God,
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like you know, I guess you could kind of go
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with that direct. In other words, it's it has a
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specific way of thinking, and put it this way, saw
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many three would definitely go against the reform perspective. Would
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we agree? Definitely? Okay, So what do we do with
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Saw eighty three? So I'm going to put forth a
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hypotheses and you can tell me whether you agree or disagree. Right,
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So here's what I was thinking when we consider prayer
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and light of the Old Testament, where Psaw eighty three
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is found, Right, there is one major thing that I
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think governs and guides the way people prayed in the
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Old Testament. What do you think that major thing is
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that governs and guides the way many people prayed in
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the Old Testament? No, Now, I started this morning by
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saying we were going to return back to our study
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on eschatology and look at what the dividic covenant. Right,
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So that was my that was that was your hint
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way before we got to the actual question. God's covenant
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or covenans was to me, I think the answer about
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how they prayed in the Old Testament because God made
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very specific promises in the covenants to whom Israel. All
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the prayers we read in the Old Testament that are
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prayers with people who believe in the True God, are
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prayers given by whom Jews who are connected to, obviously Israel,
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whom God made specific promises too. Right, So if God
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makes to think about this, if God makes a covenant
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with you and gives you, say fifteen specific promises, then
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it would be perfectly within God's sovereign will for you
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then to in your prayer ask God to do what
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he has already promised for you to do. Would you
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be going against his will? No? Would you be going
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against his providence? No? You would be simply reminding God
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of his promise, of his providence. And then you would say, God,
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now do what you have said you would do. That
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is radically different than for us. So we're going to
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explore that concept. All right. Now, this again, what we're doing.
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I'm sorry, no other churches are going to be doing
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what we're about to do because I'm about to blow
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up the whole concept of prayer in a radical, radical
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way here. Okay, but that's okay, that's when there's no
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one left. You can do this, Okay, that's one of
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the good things. In any other church, I'd get fired
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before i even got done with this sermon. And you
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think I'm joking. You would not be allowed to do this.
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I've worrity, you know. Can you imagine me saying what
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I've said about prayer in any other church? Come on,
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you know what I'd be done. People would get up upset,
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that would walk out. I'd be so finished. But which
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makes me mad because Christianity never seems to be a
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world where you're allowed to think you're just It's a
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world where you're just totally to conform to whichever team
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you're on, and I can't. That's why I'll never fit
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in in the world of Christianity, because I hate that
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we have to be able to think right and any
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thinking person is like, oh wait a minute, you want
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me to pray to the God who allowed this to happen,
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did nothing to stop it, who decrete it and guided it?
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