More Seed and Soil Discussion

0:02 Looking at our world from a theological perspective. This is the Theology Central podcast making Theology Central. Good afternoon everyone. It is Friday, September sixth, twenty twenty four. It is currently three point fifty six pm Central Time, and I am coming to you live from the Theology Central studio located right here in Abilene, Texas. Well. Once again, the podcast has taken us somewhere and well has left me stranded for now. Maybe at some point later the podcast will come back by and pick me up, but for now, it's kind of just like, hey, it opened the door, pushed me out. This is where you're staying for a little while. Make the best of it. I'll be back in a little bit. Okay. I know I'm actually the one who's supposed to be driving the podcast, but sometimes the podcast is the one driving me, because I never intended that. Here we are at the end of a week and we're kind of of well, we're kind of stuck and well looking at a parable about the seed, the sower, the soils. Right, we've been looking at that, and I don't see us. I don't, at least I don't see me getting picked up and taken out of this area anytime. Hopefully maybe by the end of the weekend, I can have extracted myself. I can call for an extraction.

1:22 You know, I need an extraction. Extraction point Okay, you go all military on you, but I need out of this situation now. Okay. But here we are, and well, I'm hoping you're finding it beneficial. I've given you some assignments. I hopefully you've been working on it. Hopefully you've been listening to some random sermons on Mark chapter four, the parable the seed, the sower, the soils. Of course, that same parable is mentioned in Matthew thirteen and some other passages. Hopefully you've been reading it. And remember, I believe, at least when it comes to Mark four, that maybe the key to Mark four is actually Mark chapter three. Hopefully you've been working on that. But just a little while ago, I look, I had headphones on, I was listening to music.

2:06 And while I was listening to music, I happened to open up the sermon's two point oh app and I tapped on the feed tab and I'm like, wait, what is this? So the word I'm like, oh, you got to be this is a sermon that's just recently showed up in my feed. It's about the same parable, except this time I stead of using Mark four, they go to Matthew chapter thirteen. Okay, so then I'm like, okay, stop what I'm doing. I'm going to at least address this because I'm getting this feeling that when I arrive at church Sunday, I know we're working on Romans, and we need to be in Romans two to one looking at the there four there, and I know we need to continue to work on eschatology. But I'm having a strong feeling that the first hour Sunday may get hijacked and I may bring I may bring with me well this parable and all of the issues that we're trying to figure out. So I'm just gonna keep talking about it, almost in a way for maybe it's sermon prep, maybe it's just to help us. But we're gonna we're gonna obviously review this sermon and see if we get any answers.

3:14 This is kind of where we are, so just kind of I'm gonna try to summarize this. This is the cliff notes to kind of get you all on the same page. All right, Are you ready? It all started because I wanted to get the most out of the study Bible that I've owned. It's been at the church, and I'm like, I'm going to get the most out of it. I'll open it up. Oh, here's an essay on how to read and study the Bible. Well, this will be fun. I'll just walk right through it. Right, we'll just walk right through the article. It'll be four five episodes. It'll be simple, it'll be easy, and we'll have it. We'll make it somewhat fun, entertaining, maybe interesting. Maybe we'll come up with a new Bible study method. Who knows right? Well, So I turn on the microphone. I introduced the article. We read the We read the first basically two paragra first maybe three four paragraph Everything's going really smooth. And then we get to the kind of the key thesis in this article. And the key thesis is when it comes to being an effectual Bible student, when it comes to being an effective Bible student, when it comes to actually getting out of something out of God's word. As a Bible reader and Bible student, you begin not with your mind, you begin with your heart.

4:28 In other words, their idea is this, you can read your Bible, you can study your Bible. You can memorize your Bible, you can go to church, you can go to Bible study. You can listen to sermon after sermon after sermon, you can read, you can study, but it will be of no effect unless your heart is right. So what you have to do is get your heart right. Then Bible study will actually do something. But then it almost seems to imply that it's the Bible that helps fix your heart. Well, how can the Bible fix my heart if my heart has to be already be right before I read my Bible. So then it was a little confusing kind of circular reasoning, a little contradictory, and so that got us into well, what were they using to justify this approach while they were using Mark chapter four, verses three through twenty. So then we started digging into Mark chapter four, three through twenty. This concept I called in to question the concept. I'm already I don't think Mark chapter four has anything to do about telling me how to be in an effective Bible student. We're throwing that out. There's the other view that Mark chapter four in this parable, what it's really do is to show you, like all of this soil and this soil this soil represents certain kinds of people and they're not saved. Only one soil represents salvation, and that's the last one. This is really almost like a test of salvation approach, and we kind of call that into question. And we've just been working and working and working on it. So what we're gonna do is, I don't know what the approach

5:59 is going to be, what we're about to hear, but we're gonna listen and see where it takes us, all right, and hopefully remember one of the I think it's the interesting thing of this podcast is whenever we kind of whenever the podcast in a sense takes me somewhere and knocks me out of the car and say this is where you're staying for a little while. I like the way kind of the discussion develops. Like sometimes it can be it can kind of be difficult, it can be all over the place. It may not be that polished, it may not be that produced, because typically you're hearing in real time me trying to process whatever we're trying to fix or resolve. And then slowly but surely it gets a little bit more clear, it gets a little bit more polished, and then hopefully by the end you're like, okay, wow, so we started here, we ended here. We've looked at every possible perspective and theory and interpretation, and now we know why these seem to work, these don't seem to work, and end up somewhere much more clearer than where we started. Now, that's my hope. A lot of times people don't focus on the end. They'll focus on, well, here you did this, or you stumbled hear you, and it's like, yeah, but can you just let the process work itself out? I think some people just think every you know, episode has to be this very polished and produced and perfect thing.

7:24 But I like it to be more organic, raw and real, which then we kind of stumble together through. But you're supposed to be a part of the process. You're not supposed to be just passively, you know, spectating. You're supposed to be you know, not actively participating is how it should work, but it doesn't always do that. But are you ready? I don't know where this is going to go. I wish it was in Mark four because Mark four is really where I'm focusing. That's why I give you that assignment about Mark chapter three. But I think this could be beneficial for this reason. If we figure out that the interpretation to Mark four is dependent upon Mark chapter three. But if the same parable is told in Matthew chapter thirteen, if Matthew chapter twelve is radically different than Mark chapter three, well then that my theory would possibly fall apart. Right unless this parable was told at different times, and Matthew is taught saying Jesus spoke this parable at this time, and Mark is giving a different time when Jesus told it, well, then it's not going to matter, right, do you understand what I'm saying? If Mark three is the answer to Mark four, that really won't matter. That really won't matter because Matthew thirteen would

8:56 be different and it's the same parable. Right, So unless it's Hey, Jesus told the parable and Mark four at this time and this context. So therefore that context helps you how you interpret it. But over in Matthew thirteen, when he told the parable, it was a different context, so that context would help determine the interpretation. So I'm starting to question now my Mark three hypotheses that I put forth. I'm starting to question it now because I did I wasn't giving it much thought about, well, how does it show up in the other passages? So still go ahead and work on it. I don't know what you're going to find, but we will see, all right, So we're just going to listen to this. It kinda I'm kind of disappointed because I really thought I was onto something with the Mark three thing. I really thought I was onto something. But if I'm looking at Matthew twelve, yeah, well does it work in Matthew twelve? Hmm? I wonder if it works in Matthew twelve. I don't know. I don't know. All right, Well, we're gonna go to Matthew thirteen and we will see, all right. I think typically when the parable is taught in Mark four or in Matthew thirteen, it just tends to be just focus on the parable, forget what comes before it. But I think maybe when Jesus tells a parable, is it possible that he tells a parable that there's something motivating the parable

10:28 and it's something that comes before. I'm just I'm throwing out now questions, all right, I'm throwing out questions. So I just I just think, yeah, you can compare Mark three in Matthew twelve and see if there's a similarity somehow that would work and explaining Matthew thirteen and Mark chapter four. I know, now the situation's becoming a little bit more complicated. But see in my brain, was matt Mark three is the ant sir? It may be, I guess it can't even be the answer if well, the telling of the parable is the same in Matthew thirteen and Mark, for it's the exact same telling of it.

11:16 They would have to be interpreted then based off what's it is the context? See the context there would be no context and we could really establish, right, we may need a harmony of the gospels here. I don't know, all right, something to consider. I know, I'm just talking it out in real time, but that's what we do. Are you ready? Here we go, Here we go. We're gonna go to this. The name of this let me see, let me find here it's called so the sword so or so, the sword so, the word so the word from First Baptist Church. What do we know here? First Baptist Church, and there's probably Wilmington, Delaware. First Baptist Church, Wilmington, Delaware. The name of the actual pastor is Sam Knickerbocker and it's an independent Baptist church, and I guess they had a special speaker in on eight twenty one, twenty four and they preached a sermon entitled So the Word. It's a guest speaker, guest preacher.

12:27 And. Well, we're gonna listen to it. We're gonna listen to it, and we're gonna analyze it, critique it, and we're going to see how they approach the parable. All Right, I know I've kind of thrown out now kind of a whole harmoneutical can of worms. They're trying to figure this out, but we will, we will unpack it little by little. But so maybe this is going to be Maybe this is good because it's going to make me now question my great theory I was developing about Mark three is the answer Mark three is the answer to Mark four. But Mark three can't be the answer answer to Mark four because the parable is not just in Mark four, it's in Matthew thirteen. So unless Matthew twelve and Mark three are basically similar, then we have completely different context for the telling of the parable. So then does that mean it's the same telling of the parable? Or do we have different tellings of the parable? Those are questions we need to ask.

13:21 All right. In the meantime, let's see what happens here we go. You have your Bibles with you this evening. Hopefully you do. You start turning over to Matthew chapter thirteen, if you would. In Matthew chapter thirteen, We're gonna look at a text here might be very familiar to some. I think he just put something in his mouth, some kind of like throat lodginger. I don't know what he did. He puts something in his mouth, Okay. I always hate when I do that at church. I always forget because you have the lapel mic on, right. So like when I'm in a podcast, I'll think about I'm always explaining to you, oh that was my pencil, or or that I'm holding my Bible, or like I'm always trying to tell you or you know, I've got a bottle of water in my hand. I'm always I'm very conscious of every sound when I'm podcasting. But when I'm just standing in front of the people and I got a lapel mic on, I don't give it any thought. Right, I can just be drinking. I can be because the people are looking at me. They know exactly what I'm doing, and then I'll forget and I'll go back and listen to the audio of something I preached a church, and I'm like, what in the world was I think, like, that sounds horrible, that sounds that's trash, that's you know, because you don't think about it. You just get caught up in the moment that you have people in front of you. They can see anything you're holding, they can see anything you're picking up, they can see what you're doing,

14:53 so they they know, but you don't know how that translates over there. So that clearly sounds like he just puts something in it his mouth, some kind of something. So now I hope that doesn't. It may it probably won't impact the people. It probably will not impact the people there. How it's going to transfer over into the audio of listening to it, like if I if I got something in my mouth, you know, and I'm You're like, that's gonna come back, So hopefully it doesn't. But yeah, that's that's what. It sounds like. He just puts something there in his mouth. So it seemed very obvious, all right. In fact, I'll just play it again, see if you can hear it here we go.

15:34 You have your Bibles with you this evening. Hopefully you do. You start turning over to Matthew chapter thirteen, if you would. Matthew chapter thirteen. We're gonna look at a text here. It might be very familiar to some. So we refer to it as the parable of the Sewer, and so we're gonna look at it. You're there with me in Matthew thirteen. Look with me. We'll start in verse number one. Here says the same day when Jesus out of the house and sat by the sea side, and great multitudes were gathered together unto him, so that he went into a ship and sat, and the whole multitude stood on the shore. And he spake many things under them in parables, saying, behold, a sower went forth to sow, And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the wayside, and the fowls came and devoured them up. Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth, And forthwith they sprung up because they had no deepness of earth, And when the sun was up, they were scorched, and because they had no root, they withered away. And some fell among thorns, and the thorns sprung up and choked them. But others fell into good ground and brought forth fruit, some one hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear if you jump din verse eighteen. Christ explains this parable for us said, hear.

17:05 Ye. Therefore the parable of the sower. When anyone hereth the word of the Kingdom and understandeth it, not, then cometh the wicked one and catcheth a way that which was sown in his heart. This is he which receives seed by the wayside. But he that received the seed into stony places, the same as he that hereth the Word and anon with joy receiveth it. Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while. For when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the Word, by and bye, he is offended. He also that receives seed among the thorns. Is he that hereth the Word, and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful. But he that receives seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word and understandeth it, which also beareth fruit, bringeth forth some one hundredfold, some sixty some thirty. Let's pray our having the Father.

17:57 We come before you, Lord, just want to thank you or the opportunity to get into your word tonight, Lord, to gather together freely Lord, and be able to praise you with song and more, just to worship you, Father God. And there's pray that you'd be with us now, Lord, that you'd use your word to speak to our hearts in the way that only you can dear God, and that you'd be glorified. And all this done here tonight in Jesus' name. Amen. All right, So just kind of really kind of getting right into this text this evening here, we really kind of start picking it apart with the explanation that Christ gives. Well, we'll go back and look at the parable itself, but looking start with the explanation that Christ gives of this parable, we'll start to see what are the different aspects that Christ is talking about here with these different things. What is this seed? What is the soil represented?

18:51 Okay, so he's set remember the one audio we listen to emphasize one main meaning and a parable. Now, they didn't really stay true to that he's he's not going there's one main message here in the parable, there's one main meaning. He's going to We're going to just start looking at the individual parts of what each thing represents. So we'll see maybe he's going to start with the individual parts and all the things that represents, but end up with one message. The other one started with the idea that there was one message, but then seem to have abandon that to some degree. Remember the last message we listened to, when it says that sower or when it says to see, where's the explanation, uh, when someone see when anyone hears the word of the Kingdom and does not understand, okay, well, then that doesn't necessarily say but okay. Typically when it says the sower went out to sew all right, remember that, typically it's the idea they went to sow the word of God, right, and so many interpret the word to be the entire Bible.

19:54 But the last message we listened to, they didn't say they went against that idea. It's not necessarily the entire Bible, it's the message of the Kingdom. And we talked about, well then how do we understand that? And the last message. He articulated that that view, but then kind of it just kind of all fell apart at the end, and it was so it was so frustrating. So I don't know how he's going to handle the meaning of the word here or does the word word appear Well, all right, yeah, this is very I'm starting to think maybe okay, well, all right, I'm not gonna I was going to start throwing out some theories about the different accounts, but okay, we'll just see where he takes. This hinting here. We'll see that jumping right in. Let's say with verse nineteen, and Christ starts explaining here says, when anyone hereth the Word of the Kingdom and understandeth it not, then come with the wicked one and catch it the way that which was sowing in his heart.

20:49 So the sowing of the Word of the Kingdom was happening into the heart of this person, who says, this is he which receives seed by the wayside. So right off the bat here Christ is kind of opening up the meaning of this parable here is the seed here's referred to as the Word of the Kingdom. We're dealing primarily with the Gospel message. If you were able to look over in uh Mark at the same account, it just calls it the Word. If you go over to Luke, I believe it says it's the Word of God. And we know it's the Gospel because when Luke also has say that the Word is taken away from him lest you should believe and be saved. So we know we're dealing with the Gospel.

21:31 Okay, So and I and I have no problem. I think we need to reduce this to the idea that when you preach the either we want to refer to this the message of the Kingdom, hey, the Kingdom of God has arrived, repent and believe, or the Gospel message. If we kind of bring those concepts together, we're reducing this to it's this is not about how to be an effectual Bible student or anything. This is about when the when the Gospel or the Kingdom message is proclaimed here or how people respond to it. All right, if we reduce it to just that, then we can we can then definitely kind of throw out that this is the key to being effectual Bible stood in anything along those lines. This and again, is it about is it just is the goal here? Is the main message of the parable simply to demonstrate there's different responses to the message the end. That's all it's supposed to establish. And we've turned it into a proof of salvation. And I think we've got to be so careful. But let's see where he takes this.

22:40 But I believe it's even more than just that's from the Word of God. I will see some of that as we go through more of it. But again, the God, okay, well he expands it, so the other message kind of limited it. He expands it. This is basically it's the Gospel, but it's it's the entire Word of God. So this is the Word of God. So the seed is when the Word of God is put forth, the teaching of any of it, any part of it. This is how people receive any part of the Word of God. All right, we'll go with that theory. We'll go with that theory. Gospel specifically mentioned here, and so it's the seed that's been sown in. Is the gospel message? Well, let's just pause there for a moment and think what is the gospel message? And it's basic form. We're talking about the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. For myself. I grew up in a home where I mentioned you in our video.

23:42 I was raised at home that was half agnostic and half Jehovah's witness The way that worked out, my parents split up when I was about two months old, and so my dad he was the one that had primary custody, but he worked a lot, a lot of times out of town. So his sisters, which would be my aunts, and then also my grandma raised me and my sister for the most part, well aunts and Grandma where all Jehovah's witnesses. My dad he was the agnostic one. He's like, maybe there's a God, maybe there's not. And so I grew up in this home with a. And again, if we put it in its context, now, he's saying that this is the gospel message, the death Baryl resurrection of Christ. Did Jesus I mean, I know this will be somewhat controversial, but did Jesus I know he mentions his death baryl resurrection. It's clearly mentioned, but his preaching seems to be more the Kingdom of God is at hand, Repent and believe right, Like I know, we kind of insert, well, the gospel message is the you know, the death of Jesus Christ as a substitutionary atonement, his burial, his resurrection. Well, I mean, I understand Jesus does teach, but is the primary focus here on the message of the kingdom. Remember there is there is much disagreement in Christianity over this point, right, what exactly is this?

25:13 Because you see, if you go from maybe an extreme form of dispensationalism, you can kind of place this in a dispensational category and some of the confusion could just go away because you're like, well, this had a specific message for a specific people at a specific time, That's what he's referencing here. But you know, and then the idea of being fruitful would be more for Israel, right, because they have some covenant promises about being fruitful. And so do we go. I may we may need to look at like a more a dispensational approach to it. I'm not saying that's an answer either. We're throwing out all kinds of different concepts. But let's see, obviously we're listening to this to get this concept and see where it takes us.

25:57 Is two opposing views. They were both wrong, and so I was all confused. I didn't you know, I didn't know what the truth was. I was told that there was a God. I believed that there was a God, but I didn't know who he truly was. Go forward years later, moved out of that home and just lived with my dad after by age sixteen, when I was eighteen, I moved to Kansas. I grew up in southern California's and Kansas now still not going to church anywhere, ended up in a different church, of a Pentecostal church where things were definitely not done clearly or biblically. And during that time I had an older lady came up to me and asked me the question do you know Jesus?

26:47 And the answer I gave her was yes, I know who Jesus is. Well, two things were wrong there. Number one, the only Jesus that I knew of was the Jehovah's witness Jesus that they say is only a man, he was not God. So that Jesus is not saving anybody. There's my first problem. The second part of the problem there is she asked if I knew Jesus, and I said, I know who he is. Even in that answer, she shouldn't be able to understand I don't know him. I know of him or of someone called Jesus and so, but she just thought that was the greatest thing, and because I said, I know who he is. And the only other thing anybody asked me after that was if I wanted to start helping out with teaching the youth group and getting involved with the youth group that way.

27:35 Is like, I had no business being in any of that position, but by the grace of God, God removed me from that, and I ended up getting into a good, solid Baptist church and was sharing some of this with your pastor earlier. And I would be sitting there, I hear the preaching of God's word, and my pastor would be up there. He'll be preaching about salvation and getting saved, and I would be sitting there in the pew. I remember specifically thinking, I have no idea what he's talking about, but if I stick around long enough, maybe I'll get it figured out. And so about two months go by and the pastor invites me on this overnight camp trip, and I go along because it sounded like a fun time and there was preaching that night, and I knew I needed God's help. So I went forward to pray at the altar, and my pastor that brought me there, he came with me and he said, you know, why'd you come forward? I was like, just with the pressure of life, I just don't know what to do anymore.

28:30 And it wasn't I had anything bad going on, but just at that stage of life, just you know, feeling the pressure of things around you and living without God, there's a lot of pressure there. And so he said, well, first thing's first, you know that you're saved. And I knew that I didn't know, and I told him that I don't even know. So he took me aside and he took the word of God and he showed me the Gospel. He took the time to show me who Jesus Christ really is. That Christ is not just saw oh man, but he is God in the flesh that you're in. The Bible, the real Bible says that in the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Jesus Christ is the Word.

29:13 He is God in. I'm getting a little worried here because what we want to know is the parable. Okay, what we want to know is, yeah, all the questions that I have brought up. I don't know if we're going to get anything close to that. Now I'm getting worried. Now, I'm getting really worried because there's not a lot of time left in this message. It really isn't maybe I mean put it this way, he needs to get to his major thesis within probably the next ten to fifteen minutes, or this whole thing is going to just unravel into I don't know what. I don't even know how we're going to be able to classify this. I don't know what this is.

29:53 But h all right, so well, but I'm going to be hopeful. I'm going to be hopeful. I'm going to be hopeful. We're going to hopeful right right. I'm not gonna be cynical. I'm not gonna be negative. We're gonna get all the answers we've ever asked in regards to these this parable and the different accounts of it. A right, So here we go. Let's go find these answers. The book that I had taught to me growing up is said that Christ is or the word is a God. They corrupted it, they changed it. But when I'm being shown from the scriptures, that he is God. I had God was speaking to my heart saying, this is my word.

30:40 This okay, Now, a couple of things. Well, for he says, the spirit of God was talking to me. Okay, wait a minute, what's happening here? What's happening? But I want you to just consider something. See this, I'm trying to figure out how this plays out. Everyone preaches the parable. Okay, Well, he admits he didn't have an understanding. So he heard the word, he didn't have an understanding, and he kind of goes forward, and then someone tries to start explaining to it. Well, according to the parable, doesn't Satan just come in and take it away? So why didn't Satan just show up and take it away? Right? But now the spirit is talking to him. I'm gonna back this up just briefly.

31:23 But when I'm being shown from the scriptures that he is God, I had, God was speaking to my heart saying, this is my word, this is truth. And then yes, so God was speaking to his heart saying this is truth. Now is that? Do we have a built in voice that says this is truth? This is truth? Now I've heard Christians do this. I've had had I've had people. I've had people literally visit my church and say, well, the Spirit hasn't really shown me yet. If what you're saying is true. So meaning that they have a built in detector that tells them when a message is true when a message is false, making them the default then pope, making them their magisterial authority, that they can listen to preaching and based off an inside voice, they know whether it's true or false. Well, if that's the case, if every Christian has the inside voice telling us this is true, this is true, well then all Christians should believe literally the exact same thing, because any deviation would mean God would be saying that's not true, that's not my word, that's not true, that's not true, that's not true. But even with this parable in Matthew thirteen and Mark four, there's literally no agreement which soils represent saved or not saved. No agreement. The word word is that, the word the whole Bible is that, the gospel is that the message to the kingdom. Do we understand this from a dispensational standpoint, we could go all

32:56 the disagreements on it. Well, God should be speaking to my heart going that message not true, that message not true, that message not true. I should just be able to go listen to sermons and go. God told me that when it's not true. God told me that when's not true, God told me that's not true. And beyond that, just other aspects of the errors that I had been taught growing up with that Jehovah's witness background. Here, they'll say that, you know, God is too loving to ever possibly send somebody to hell, so Hell can't possibly exist. That's just talking about annihilation. You cease to exist. There's no there's no real hell, there's no real punishment like that. Well, as I'm being shown from the scriptures contrary to that, I'm being confronted with a lot of things here, and then I'm I'm left there understanding that I already knew I was a sinner, but now I'm realizing I have sinned against a holy and a righteous God, and I deserve whatever he says as I do. It doesn't matter what I think about it. If his punishment for that sin is death and including hell in that, well then that's what I deserve. But I am so thankful I pastored did and stopped there. He showed me what Jesus Christ did for me, how that he died on the cross, and then he was buried, and he rose again the third day, according to the scriptures. And all I have to do is put my faith in him, because there

34:29 is nothing that I can actually do to earn my salvation. I can't be good enough. There's nothing I can do. I just have to trust in the Lord, put my faith in him and him alone, not just to add him to everything else in my life, but to put my faith in him and him alone. And then I'm saved because he paid the price for me, not that I can do it myself. That gospel message that is the primary thing being looked upon here as the seed, this gospel message, and it's been sown into the hearts of these different people in this passage. And we're gonna look through some of this rather quickly, and then something else that I can look at it with this, So it's sown in the heart of this one that received seed by the wayside, and this says that it's just kind of lands on the surface. And then if the seed is taken away and kind of picture, if you will, you have this this field where you might you know, plant some wheat or something along those lines, and then around the edges of that field, or maybe a path through the middle, you have that trodden down area where the ground has just been so worn and beat down.

35:36 There's this hard and nothing can penetrate it. That is the wayside that. Now I'm just gonna point this out especially I'm gonna get this from the King James as well. But look at Matthew thirteen night eighteen, because I've probably preached it the same way. The seed just kind of falls on the on the path and it doesn't go in. It can't, it can't penetrate. It pounces off, right. That's kind of the way I've always But look at how at least the new King James translates it Matthew thirteen eighteen. Therefore here the parable of the sower. When anyone hears the word of the Kingdom and does not understand it, then the wicked one comes and statues away that was sown in his heart. This is he who received the seed by the wayside. So it says that has sown the seed in his heart. But that sounds like it's getting somewhere.

36:31 Now I'm gonna I'm gonna read the same thing from the King James. So I'm gonna reach down and grab another bible. I'm gonna grab another bible. I happened to just pick up a Scofield. I wonder if his notes leaves this into a dispensational perspective. All right, it says this is how it's translated in the King James. All Right, hmmm, okay, yeah, he does have I may have to look at what Schofield says. All right, Matthew thirteen nineteen. I'm gonna get distracted. I'll go to the verse eighteen. Hear ye, therefore the parable the word. When anyone heareth the word of the Kingdom and understand it not then cometh the wicked one and catcheth a way that which was sown in his heart makes it sound like it makes it inside the heart.

37:26 That's how the text makes it. Now again, it's a parable, Am I supposed Are we supposed to get that focused on the details. I tend to argue that that's where the problems began. This is just trying to show you the different ways it's received or not received. But okay, all right, but it seems to make it in the heart. So I don't know if we should preach that. It was just kind of it doesn't penetrate, it just falls on that path, but it seems to indicate it it makes into the heart. So how do we do we does that change anything? I don't know. I don't know. Let's see where he goes with this. Hardened ground in that way, and there's people out there, that's where they're at right now. Their heart is hardened.

38:06 They don't want to hear the word of God. They reject it. And that's the picture here by this one that receives seed by the wayside. In the verse twenty, it says, but he that receives seed into the stony places the same as he that heareth the word, and a non with joy receiveth it. Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while, for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and bye, he is offended. So they have a different picture here of this one where the seed goes into this stony ground. There's still this stone there that the seed is not penetrating. But you see this life spring up out of the ground. You see this outward appearance of this life but there's nothing inside, there's no root. Now we see people like that again today where maybe they'll come into the church, they'll hear the word of God and they'll try to apply the word of God to their life, but without the inward change, there's nothing inside. And then when it gets hard they turn away from it because it's not in their heart. Again, there's still no salvation in that position.

39:11 If it's not inside, if it's just this external appearance, that's not salvation. But then you can move on down. In the passage the verse twenty two, he also that receives seed among the thorns is he that hearth the word, and the care of this world and the seitfulness of riches choke the word and he becometh unfruitful. This person was on their way to being fruitful. It means there's growth happening. This person's accepted Christ, they've accepted the gospel, and they're on their way to becoming fruitful. But then something happens and they become unfruitful. Here and knows it says, the care of this world and the deceitfulness of riches, they choke that word, and this person becomes unfruitful. These outside influences these things of the world.

40:03 Okay, his approach appears to be all right. So if we go through this Matthew thirteen nineteen, when anyone here at the word of the Kingdom and understandeth not, then cometh the wicked one and catches the way that which was sown in his heart, that is he which received seed by the wayside. So he's he has determined that the person in nineteen, that that represents a person that represents people in verse nineteen of people who are not saved. Then he says verse twenty, But he that received the seed and stony places the same is he that here at the word and Anon with joy receiveth it. Yet not hath root and himself, but doreth for a while, For when a tribulation of persecution arives because of the word, by and by he is offended. I think he had indicated that verse twenty one is not saved. So he has two that are not saved. Then twenty two and twenty three he says, are saved. So he goes with the fifty to fifty approach. Others go with three of them are a loss. Only one is said. See, there's not even agreement in christiandom who is saved and who isn't saved in this parable? That see? But again, supposedly we can. God will be the one that'll tell you what is true and what is not true. Well, then if God is the one telling you true or not true, then why do no Christians agree literally on this parable?

41:18 And remember, according to Mark, if we don't understand this parable, we can't understand any of them. Then what is our hope? If no one can even agree on this parable? All right, choke out the word of God in their life. I used to be a over a youth group in Alabama for our period of years, and I see this thing in people of all different ages, basically lots, sometimes with the teenagers where they they get saved and they start growing in the Lord. Then like, hey, I wanted to let you know I got a job, but I'm gonna start missing some Wednesday night services And well, well why did you take that job? We're gonna miss church? Well, well, could I gotta be able to pay for my car?

42:08 Well did you really need the car? Well? I need the car to have my job. Well, why don't just give rid of all of it and be a church but the cares of this world, and that the seitfulness of riches choke out the Word of God in their life. And the next thing you know, like, oh, well, I'm gonna have to start missing some Sundays. They want me to work on Sundays now, And then before you know it, they're just becoming completely unfruitful and they're not even in church anymore. After a while, everyone just quit your job if you're required to work on a Wednesday or a Sunday. Now, I do understand you can make sometimes bad decisions that can hurt you spiritually. At the same time, it's easy to tell someone hey, you don't need your job, you don't need a car, you just come to church. It's always easy to tell someone else that, okay, because you're a church getting paid to be there. If you're the pastor, it's easy to tell someone else, hey, you quit your job.

43:06 You don't take that job and you be at church. Yeah, because I'm at church getting paid to be there. Right, okay, all right, all right, there is a little bit of it. Come on, you gotta at least see that's a little bit ironic, right, Hey, you don't get a job that's going to take you away from church. You come here because I'm getting paid to be here, So why don't you then you quit your job and just come to church and don't get paid? Right? All right, No, but people kind of need jobs to pay bills and do things. Now you, I guess you could argue, well, the teenager may not need it, but it depends on his family, right. I can't speak for that teenager's family. But look, if I didn't have a job and I started working very young, I wasn't gonna have anything, right because basically I had to pay for everything.

43:50 So yeah, but I do understand that whenever I think the key is is now that you have this job, you do understand that this could have negat of impact on you spiritually because you're going to be taken away. So what are you going to be doing to make up for the fact that you're not going to be a church or like? It's more I think that's maybe more the approach than just saying, well, you should just quit your job and get rid of your car. I think that's I don't know, Okay, again, I don't know what any of that really has to I guess I can see how he's attaching it here. That that's what can choke away or stop us from being fruitful, is all of these other cares. And there's probably some truth to that, But how do you manage I think the issue is you're gonna have these cares, whether you argue, whether you want to have them or not, unless you're just basically going to sell everything and go live in a monastery. Now, the key is how to not let these cares then have the negative impact. Maybe that's the discussion.

44:45 I don't know, but it happens not just with the teenagers. I know of adults making the same decisions. Oh I got this new promotion, but I have to move to this state over here, and like, okay, do you have a good church lined up that you can go to over there? Like, oh, I don't know, I haven't actually looked into that. Like that should be the first priority before you even think about taking something like that. Keep the Word of God, keep fellowship, keep keep Christ first, not just following after these things of the world, because when you do, you follow after this deceitfulness of riches, the things of this world become unfruitful. Is there anyone in here tonight says I want to be an unfruitful Christian.

45:32 I don't think any of us would say that. We all want to be fruitful. We all want to be we want to be like the good ground, where the Word of God grows in us and produces fruit. They say in verse twenty three, it says, but he that receives seed into the good ground is he that hereth the word and understandeth it, which also beareth fruit and bringeth forth some one hundredfold, some sixty, and some thirty. We want to see that we're growing in our own life, and when we go out and we witness to others, that's the kind of person we hope to find, right. We hope to find these people that are on the good ground where they will be fruitful, and they'll multiply, and we'll see them grow in the Lord. That's an exciting thing. But wait, go out. We don't know what kind of person we're talking to, do we?

46:15 So here's the thing. What makes the people different? What makes some people have the wayside soil? What makes some people have? Let me go through each one of them the way the king James and Matthew thirteen describes him. What is it that makes some people the what we'll call them? How do we call them? The stony places people? Are the wayside people? What makes the people the ones that have or hang on, let me see here the wayside people? What is the people the stony places people? And then what is the people who are the among the thorns people? Who are the wayside people? What makes some person a wayside person? What makes another person the stony place person? What makes the other person a in the thorns person? And what makes the other one the good ground person? What makes the difference? Hey, when you go out, you want to find the people with the good ground? Well, what makes the difference? How do how? What?

47:22 What's the issue? Does the people have to fix it? And again if you say, well God has to fix it, well, then why doesn't God just make us all good ground? We all receive the word and then boom, we're all good now. Because then if you say the ground represents the heart, then what you're saying is then God has to give us basically a perfect heart. Well, then if everyone has a perfect heart, you see how you just kind of you just get yourself into these circle circular reasoning or it just it just goes in a circle and It's like, well, wait, how does this work? What determines the condition of the heart? You say, it's God alone. Okay, Well, then if someone doesn't have a good heart, and then again, if God the loan gives you the good heart, then you're saying that then when someone gets saved, because then they have a perfect heart. Well then if they have a perfect heart, then then there's no okay. You see, it almost gets exhausting talking through it over and over.

48:15 Let's see if he offers us any deeper insight into any of this or answers. But before we get too far into that aspect of it, you know, as we go through the explanation that Christ gives it this parable. He tells us right off the top here what is the seed? The seed is the gospel. It's the word of God. He explains the soil for us that is the heart when to which that gospel message is received. But then I began to question myself and asks why don't we refer to this as the parable of the sower. I didn't get that out of it, And then it hit me when I read verse eighteen again it says Christ said here he therefore the parable of the sower. He called it. That's a good reason for us to call it that, right, And so then I want to know, well, well, why is it the parable of the sower? Why not the parable of the seed?

49:06 Why not the parable of the soil? Why is it the sower? What can we what can we learn about the sower from this parable? Well, when I read through the explanation there again, I noticed I don't see anything about the sower in that explanation. And to be fair about it, though, if you read it in Mark, there is one sentence about the sower. It says the sower so with the word that's it. So I says so or so with the word. So. I wanted to go back to the beginning of the parable and see if I can find anything about the sower that way. So go with me there, go to verse number three from Matthew thirteen. There, and we're going to see a couple of things. Verse three is he says, and he spaked many things on them parables, saying behold, a sower went forth to sow. So this man here, he's just going out and doing his job. He's doing what he is supposed to do. He's just going out to sew. And then when he sowed in verse four, some seeds fell by the wayside. Verse five, some fell upon stony places, and verse seven say some fell among thorns, and then verse eight, but others fell into the good ground.

50:16 So all we know about this man, he's going out doing his job, and the seed is going into all of these different places. So I tried to put myself into the picture and see what can I learn about this sower. And I tried to draw upon my own gardening experience. But while I enjoy gardening, I don't have anything that would relate to sow in a field. I lived in Mobile, Alabama. We had some raised beds in the backyard. It was a lot of fun, but it's not like planting a field. And so thinking about this situation, trying to, you know, in biable context and trying to picture it. You know, they would plow this big field, and after they have it all plowed and they have the ground prepared, and you have somebody with maybe the sack of seed, we'd go around and start spreading seed in to that field.

51:03 Now, remember the other sermon said they didn't till the ground, right, they called it broadcasting sewing. I think is what they referred to. So do we have disagreement on exactly how they sowed the seed? Do we have disagreement? Like? Oh boy, like? So did they till the ground first? If they tilled the ground first, then there would have been no wayside ground right, There would have been no stony place, there would have been no thorns because the ground would have all been tilled. So did they till the ground or not till the ground? So the more sermons you listen on one passage, sometimes it can bring you to the brink of does anyone agree on anything?

51:51 We seem to now have two different tellings of exactly how they sowed the seed. There can only be one correct way. Look, if you have all this different ground, that just means you just throwing the seed. He didn't till the ground. He tilled the ground, there would be no thorns, it would be no stony place, there would be no wayside. It would just be tilled ground. But then that still didn't match what I'm reading here in the passage, because if that were the case, then the majority of that seed would be going into the good ground. Is okay, so good, good good? So now again he's saying that that's how they typically would do it. I think that's I think the issue is that's how maybe we would do it. That's not how they did it.

52:35 But okay, all right, so yeah, in our mind, you would have the tilled ground and so all the seed would basically go into the good ground. All right, So now he's going to try to offer an explanation then why the parable is told this way? All right, let's see what his explanation. Is prepared it's ready. But with this guy here that Christ is talking about, it's not like he has this prepared field. You know, there's seed on the wayside, which I could see maybe a little bit of that when you're planting a field, But why is there still all the stony ground? Why is there still all the thorns? Why hasn't that been taken care of? It's like this guy who just has this bag of seed and he doesn't have a field. He's just out there. He's just like casting it everywhere, he's throwing seed. Then it hit me, isn't that how we're supposed to be with the gospel.

53:24 We don't have this nice prepared area to place it. We just are supposed to go out and spread it everywhere. We can't judge somebody's heart whether they're going to be hard hearted or receptive to the word of God. We're just supposed to give it to them. When we start trying to judge somebody's heart and say, oh, I'm only gonna wait for the person that's in the good ground, we're putting ourselves in God's position because we don't know we don't know their heart. So then wouldn't the argument be Remember that this all started with an article saying, Hey, you can't be in a f actual Bible student until you have the right ground. You got to have the right heart. Wouldn't this, though, be the idea just everyone should read and everyone should study the Bible, and everyone should be given the Bible and not worry about the condition of the heart. Then let the Bible do its thing. Right, Is it going to be the Bible that transforms the heart?

54:26 But we can we can make it a lot more about us than it's supposed to be. Because when we'll get to the explanation that Christ gives on this parable, he talks about the seed the Word of God, and he talks about the heart of the person who's receiving it. But he's not really telling us much of anything about the sower, because as long as the sower is doing his job and spreading the word, that's all that matters as far as the sower is concerned it because it's not about us beyond just being faithful to so with the word of God past that, it's not about us.

55:07 It's the word of God has to do a great work in somebody's life. Okay, So it is the word of God that does the work. So then it's not you got to get the heart right before you get the word. No, the word goes to everyone and then the word is the one that then changes the heart. Is that not the correct? So this is completely opposite than the article that we how many different I think if we just keep a notebook of all the different interpretations and slight variations, I don't know how many we're going to end up with. We can make all kinds of excuses. We can flip it around, and we can make it about ourselves on oh, why I can't share the Word of God with this person, or why I can't do this right now? Why it's not a good time. And I'm no exception to that.

55:57 I've done it before for silly reasons. We were again winter in Alabama. I had the youth group. We were taking the teens to camp for a summer trip, you know, summer camp or whatever. And we have this fifteen passenger van full of teenagers. Me and my wife are taking them to camp. And as we go, you know what, eventually man needs more gas. We stop at the gas station. As we stopped there, I you know, I open up my door and there's this big U haul truck on the other side of the pump, and I hear the music coming from this this U haul truck, and it kind of catched me off guard a little bit. It's if you can imagine like this heavy metal music mixed with some bagpipes in there. It wasn't something I was familiar with. Some people I've talked to, we are familiar with them, but I had never heard anything like this before.

56:48 It's like, well, that's a little weird. But there's nobody in the truck. So I just get out and I'm pumping gas. As I'm pumping gas, I look back here towards the gas station and the doors open up and there's just like massive mountain of a man comes walking out and just from that distance, I'm already starting to feel intimidated because this man he looks rough and he's big. And then I noticed as he's walking, he's walking my direction. As he gets closer, he gets bigger, gets closer, he gets bigger, and I'm getting nervous. But why so, I'm not concerned about his soul. I'm concerned about me, and that's not where I should have been in that moment when he comes over. He if I had to describe this man to you, I see him walking towards me. Picture, if you will, a Viking, just without the helmet. That's what this man looked like. But here I am feeling intimidated by him, and he hasn't done anything to warrant that.

57:54 I mean, he can't help that. He's big, I mean, right, but I'm here, I am, I'm like, he just go like and I'm done. So I'm ready to finish getting gas and get in the van and get out of there. But then as about to get back in the van, Guy's. Like, no, Oh, so God talks now directly to this guy. Oh boy, here we go. The God speaks to us outside of the Bible concept. All right, all right, But let's see how this goes down. I'd like to know the name of the metal band with bagpipes. Metal band with bagpipes. I'm trying as much as I know about music.

58:39 I'm not drawing a correlation between metal band with bagpipes. I've got I gotta find out the name of this band. We have to That's now forget Mark chapter four, forget Matthew thirteen. We need to find the metal band with bagpipes. Look, I know some of the people who listen to this podcast. You guys like some metal, right. I know some of you. I know because anytime I mention a metal album, some of you will email me. I know we have a listener he's from the UK, who I know he likes his medal and I think I have some person he I don't know what state he is. I think he always catch when I'm mentioning anything like I can mention any other music. They don't email I even hint in anything related to metal, and they're like, boom, I know that.

59:23 So the metal band would buy bagpipes. That's okay, But now we get to the serious part. Let's see what happens here. You mean to go talk to this man. First, it's like asking God, like did you see how big this man is? And and I had to get to the point in myself. Again, this is not a good thing on my part, but I had to get to the point in myself where I said, Okay, fine, if I die, my wife can drive the van home. Everybody else will be okay. And so once I hit that point like okay, I'll go talk to this man. So I go around the pump, I hand the guy a track, I start talking to him. He's a real friendly guy. And I got to talk with him, and he told me some couple of things that caught me off guard. The first thing he told me when we're talking about God is that he said he didn't really believe in the God of the Bible. He believed in Thor because he came from a line of Vikings, which is why he looked like one.

1:00:22 Metal fans are nice. That's the moral of this story. Metal fans are nice, okay, right right, that's not really the moral. Other story it's not getting us. We're not gonna get any answers about the parable. I don't think so. I don't think we're going to get too many answers about the parable, but let's let him at least finish this story and then I don't know if we're gonna offer. I'm gonna offer maybe one more concept to all of this and then we'll wrap it. Up, okay. And so that caught me off guard a little bit, but it helps some other things make more sense. But then as I continue to talk with him and to try to tell him about Christ, he also said that while he believed in Thor, he was really starting to think that this that this Jesus Christ of the Bible, he might really be the true God. And he felt that Christ was trying to reach out to him personally, not just because I was witnessing to him, but he said, I was probably about the fourth person in the last two weeks that came to tell him about Christ. And so he's like, I really think this Jesus is trying to reach me. I didn't. He didn't get saved during that time. But here I am making it about me rather than about this man's soul.

1:01:36 Now I do like that, Memral, here is that taking this parable and that it's the parable the sower. But the Sower's not really not really mentioned or seen in the story per se other than just throwing the seed. And so that if we perceive ourselves as the sower sowing the seed, then we just give the seed to everyone, and it's not about us, and we and we have to remove ourselves from the picture, and and we don't worry, we don't judge other people. We just give them the word. That is rather profound. And I got nothing but respect for that, and that is awesome. And at the same time, being very vulnerable and being very honest of the intimidation which he felt. I think that's awesome. And there's nothing, there's nothing, but I got nothing but good things to say about that. It's awesome. And that's a challenge to me to make sure I always stay out of the way and I just try to get the word out and just remove myself from it. I try to follow that as much. That's why I don't give my name.

1:02:32 That's why I've always done that from the very beginning. That's why on our church sign I never put my name. It's not about me. It's not the church is never to be about me. The podcast is never to be about me. So I'm very I try to do that, and I don't do that because I'm spiritual. I do that because I know I'm not spiritual, and how easy I can make it about me. So I love all of that. Now I'm a little frustrated because I don't think we're going to learn really anything about the parable per se. But that is a good observation. It's a parable well the sower. But the sower really is not mentioned much in the text. That's why sometimes I refer to it. I've been referring to it as the parable of the soils because that seems to be the focus. But it's the parable of the sower, and I think there is a valuable lesson there. So I do think that's a great observation.

1:03:16 We can all make those excuses, though, can't win. We can say, you know, it's it's not a good time for me right now because maybe it's like my hair's not looking right. Well, I don't have to make that excuse, but some people might, right, and so may If you have kids, you go to the grocery store, the kids are just acting like a bunch of kids, and you feel embarrassed by You're like, oh, I don't want people to, you know, think bad about me. With the way the kids are acting right now. So I'm just I'm just gonna walk away. Well, my wife has been in those situations, and that's when God mocks with her heart too, and leads her to somebody and she shares the gospel with them, and he usually has the best conversations at those times when we feel the most inadequate. It's surely when God is doing the most work. We have to understand it's not about us.

1:04:15 I'm just going to stop there because he only has a couple of minutes left. There really isn't no more time for him to do any exit. I mean, we're not going to get any answers here, but I do want to throw this out there. I didn't mention maybe a possible way of trying to deal with a lot of these complexities and difficulties, what if we looked at it from a stronger dispensational perspective. And so I did look up the dispensational perspective on the parable of the Sower. Right, So here is what I have. I'm not saying it's going to be very beneficial, but here we go, all right, The Kingdom and Mystery form dispensationalists see the Word of the Kingdom as referring not to the coming of the literal earthly kingdom promised to Israel, but to a mystery form of the Kingdom that exists during the current age.

1:05:00 This age, sometimes called the Church Age, was not revealed in the Old Testament. Preparation for the future kingdom. The parable reflects the conditions during the current dispensation, where the message of the Kingdom is sown, but not all who hear it accept it. Only some receive it in a way that leads to fruitfulness, which is a preparation for the future earthly millennial kingdom that will be established when Christ returns. The parable also indicates the growing rejection of the Kingdom message by the Jewish nation, leading to the inclusion of the Gentiles and the proclamation of the Gospel to all nations. A strong dispensationless interpretation would emphasize the importance of understanding the present age and light of God's brighter plan for Israel and the nations. The parable encourages believers to examine their responses to the Gospel and warns of the dangers of superficial or divided commitment. Overall, a dispensational approach views this parable as illustrative of God's current program in this age where the message of the Kingdom is sown, but its full manifestation awaits a future dispensation.

1:05:57 So this seems to be more almost the idea, Hey, this is the message of the Kingdom, and that kingdom. Especially when it comes to the Jews, they they were not understanding. They weren't understanding the kingdom at hand, right that Christ bringing forth a spiritual kingdom. They were rejecting Christ and in a sense rejecting his message to the Gospel. And they ultimately rejected him as king. And they so that the ultimate fulfillment is when I get if we say this, the ultimate fulfillment is in Israel. They will come a time that Israel. God will then change their heart completely. Right, look at Ezekiel, they will with the heart of stone, will be replaced with the heart of flesh.

1:06:39 That is for Israel. They will believe, and then they're gonna be fruitful. Look at Ezekiel thirteen, Look at Jeremiah. Look at the promises given to Israel, and and and the covenant made with them. They're they're gonna all of a sudden, everything is gonna be fruitful that they're they're they're gonna have provision, they're gonna have plenty, they're gonna have protection, they're gonna be back in the lands. So is there a dispensational approach to this that just eliminates all of this And maybe that's why it's so confusing, because we're not we're not we're removing it from its it's an original audience. I'm not saying that that works, but maybe that's something we have to consider because that would maybe work better than my Mark three theory. All Right, we didn't we didn't really get any answers. All right, we've reviewed now two messages we have. We have thrown out the you know that fruitfulness connecting it to that. Oh, with this fruitfulness proved salvation because because you know by their fruits, you will know them. We threw that out in the last message because Matthew seven has nothing to do with Mark four or Matthew thirteen. It's completely different context.

1:07:53 That fruit is completely different. That's fruit about proving whether someone's a true teacher or false teacher, not about salvation. But if the fruitfulness is hey, this is Israel and Israel's responses to the offer of the kingdom. But there will come an ultimate fulfillment when will their heart will be changed and then they will be fruitful. We have to go go back to the Ezekiel. We won't look for it now, but you may want to go do some cross referencing to Ezekiel's promise of basically the new Covenant to Israel where they're going to get a new heart and look at the idea of being fruitful. How that shows up doesn't work. I'm not saying it does.

1:08:35 I know that's going a hardcore dispensational approach to this, and I'm not saying it's correct, But some of these other things are clearly falling apart. It makes more sense to me. Hey, the seed is the word of God. You give it to everyone, and then God's word does the work. Or God's word doesn't do the work. God has to get the heart ready to receive the word, so then nobody can do the work. And then well then when good, then we get into you just get an endless amount of questions that way. Oh, I hate when I get to the end, and I don't really know if we accomplished anything. All right, Well, I've done what I can. Thanks for listening. Continue to meditate on Matthew thirteen, Mark chapter four, Luke, go ahead and do that work on mark three and kind of see if you can kind of figure out where my brain was going.

1:09:24 Maybe we'll discuss that in greater detail. We'll see. I'm gonna have to do a little bit more work on that, all right, but thanks for listening. Everyone, have a great Friday evening. And hey, if we can figure out the metal band with bagpipes, we got to figure out what that's. That's what I needed to know, all right. He should have told him about Jesus and then said who is this band? Okay, that's what he should have done, all right. But all right, well I guarantee you I will figure it out, all right. Thanks for listening, everyone, have a great evening. God bless