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More discussion about 2 Kings 6:1-7

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Looking at our world from a theological perspective. This is

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the Theology Central podcast, making Theology Central.

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More Acts Talk, More as Talk.

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We're gonna talk about the axe Head, We're going to

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talk about the Floating Acts. We're gonna have more discussion

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about it.

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And if the last discussion about the.

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Acts was frustrating and irritating, I don't think things are

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going to get any better. But we have to have

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more acts talk, right, We have to, right, I mean,

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don't you agree? I hope you agree? Well, thank you

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for tuning in. It is Wednesday, October sixteenth, twenty twenty four.

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It is currently six fourteen pm Central Time, and I'm

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coming to you live from the Theology Central Headquarters, the

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Theology Central Studio, the Theology Central Axe Headquarters. I don't

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know well, I'm coming to you live from the Theology

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Central Studio located right here in Abilene, Texas. And for

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full transparency, I do not own an axe, all right.

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I have I.

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Ever used an AX? Maybe?

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Maybe?

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I mean I've probably I've seen them. I probably have

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used it in some capacity for something, But by no

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means am I an AX expert.

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I am not. I know axe body spray. Remember that. Remember,

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but we're not talking about ax body spray.

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No, we're not. We're talking about a physical ax used

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to chop something down. That's what we're talking We're talking

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about the axe head and well losing it and it

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sinking in water and then it floats and then Okay,

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that's what we're talking about. And it has been very frustrating.

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I'm really trying to drive the point home. We're talking

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about an axehead. I'm really trying to drive that point home.

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And the reason I'm trying to drive that point home

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it appears when you listen to preaching about an axehead,

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an axehead is not really an axehead. An axehead, well,

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it's power, it's desire, it's fellowship, it's it represents supposedly

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a million other things than what it actually.

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I know the text says this an axe head, but.

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No, no, no, no, no, no, really it represents this,

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this and this. Well, how do you know it represents

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this and this and this Well, because the pastor tells

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you it represents this. Does he need any textual cross

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reference to prove it represents this? No, he just needs

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his own imagination and it magically it represents that. Even

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though there's no textual basis for claiming.

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So that's yeah, that's.

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What we are dealing with. So this all started earlier today.

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I just chose a random sermon. I noticed the.

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Title check your Your Axehead.

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Now, as soon as I saw check your axe Head,

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when I saw the words axehead, I knew it was

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going to take me to Second King's chapter six, the

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famous story about the axehead that sinks into the water

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and is you know then it floats. Okay, I know

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the text all right, and I'm like, okay, I got that.

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I know where that's going to meet it to lead.

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But as soon as I so axhead, I knew exactly

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I'm going to be in Second Kings chapter six. When

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I saw check your axead, I knew immediately this was

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going to turn into some kind of allegorical symbolic, spiritualized

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interpretation of Second King's chapter six. And immediately I'm like, well,

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we can use this to discuss hermeneutics, right, Well, hear

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how they argue for their spiritualized, allegorical symbolic interpretation, and

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then we can critique how they arrived at such an interpretation.

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But did we get any justification for their kind of illustrative, symbolic,

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allegorical approach.

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We got none. We just told this is what it.

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Means, and they didn't feel any need to justify it,

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to explain it, to show the textual basis for it.

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That's what it means.

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And then everyone listening, as we heard, was just saying amen, Amen, amen.

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And it was a little bit frustrating, and we and

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so I'm gonna read through Second Second Kings chapter six,

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verses one through seven. Remember there's only seven verses to

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this story, and from these seven verses have come hundreds

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of thousands, if not millions, of hours of preaching that

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I believe.

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Has nothing to do with the text. It's just, oh,

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it's just crazy.

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So we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna go back to

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the audio that we were reviewing. We're gonna skip ahead

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a little bit because there's a part I wanted to

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hear you if you listen to the last broadcast, you know,

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if not, I'll get you caught up.

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And then I have another.

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Message that has just shows randomly on Second King chapter six.

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We'll see if we can get into that and hear

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their hypotheses on the text. But what we're finding here

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is the handling of.

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This text seems to.

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How can I say this, Most of these churches that

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you will find, say on the sermon's two point oh

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app that are preaching on the floating axe head, all right,

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they would probably tell you that their hermeneutical system would

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be something like the historical grammatical method.

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We take things literally.

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There would be.

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Very adamant about not an allegorical approach. But when they

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get to the floating axe head, they seem to just

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throw out all of those hermaoneutical principles and it just

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goes into full blown symbolism. This represents this, This represents that,

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but they don't need a script justification for it, which

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can be a little maddening. So we're kind of stuck here, right.

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My desire today was not to get into Second Kings

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chapter six, verses one through seven talking about a floating

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axe head.

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But that's where we've ended up.

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And sometimes that can be wonderful, sometimes it can be maddening,

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but it is really the character of this podcast, right. Look,

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this podcast is simply the podcast of a center sitting

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in front of a microphone trying to live out his

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Christian life. One of the things I do to live

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out my Christian life is read.

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The Bible, study the Bible.

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Listen to sermons, listen to different Christian podcast lectures, things

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along those lines.

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And then I.

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See them as they're presenting their hypotheses on a text,

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and then I go and study the text to see

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whether I agree or disagree. And that's kind of what

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the Christian life is really about in many aspects. And

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I just kind of do it all live on the air.

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That's kind of really what if you really want to

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kind of explain what this podcast really is. It's just

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a center with a microphone trying to figure out the

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Christian life, and I just invite you to participate. You

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just kind of get brought into the study and you

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get to kind of see what's going on. It's like

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when the micro when when you get that notification that

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the Theology Central podcast is live, you just kind of like, oh, well,

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let's let's open the door and see what's going on

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in the study. Oh oh, he's he's looking at messages

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on Second Kings chapter six. Well, this will be interesting.

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Let's see where this goes. And I when I start out,

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I don't even know where it's going to go. I

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would have never thought that on Wednesday, October sixteenth, at

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six twenty one pm, I would be still thinking about

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a floating axe head. But here we are, and every

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day is kind of a it's kind of its own

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mini adventure. There.

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I guess that's again.

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I think in some ways I love that part of this.

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Sometimes it can be maddening because I never I didn't

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want to get into a discussion about floating axe heads.

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But here we are, and we had other things to cover.

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But here we are. So are you ready?

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Let's go back to the text itself. Second Kings, chapter six,

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verse one, and the sons of the prophets said, unto Elisha,

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behold now, the place where we dwell with THEE is

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too straight for us. It's too small. There's not enough room,

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there's not enough space. We need a bigger place.

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Let us go.

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We pray Thee unto Jordan, and take thence every man

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a beam, and let us make us a place where,

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make us a place there where we may dwell. And

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he answered, go ye. And one said, and one said,

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be content, I pray THEE and go with thy servants.

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And he answered, I will go pretty straightforward. There's no

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real controversy. Now, the controversies where people go through these

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texts and say, well, this represents this, and this represents this,

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and this represents this, and this represents this, and this

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represents this, and everyone in the congregation is like, wow.

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I've never seen that in the text.

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This is amazing. You know why you've never seen it

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in the text.

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It's not there.

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Okay, you'll never see things in the text that aren't there.

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And if you see things in the text that aren't there,

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that's not great preaching. That's not being a great Bible student.

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That's being a great fictional writer or a great fictional storyteller.

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All right, but I digress, all right, verse four. So

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he went with them, and when they came to the Jordan,

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they cut down wood verse five. But as one was

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felling a beam, the axe head fell into the water,

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and he cried and said, alas master, for it was borrowed. Now,

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once we get here, basically the way and the sermon

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that we reviewed earlier today, basically the idea of them

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working is that they're living out the Christian life. That's

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the work is living out the Christian you're living out

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the Christian life. But when you live out the Christian life,

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you begin to lose your passion, you lose your zeal.

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It just becomes routine. You become apathetic, you don't pay

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any attention. You may kind of get bothered by it,

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and it can have a negative impact on you, and

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so it becomes a negative thing. The next thing you know,

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you're not paying any attention because you're apathetic in your

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Christian life and you lose your axehead.

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What does the axhead represent?

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Well, according to the sermon we listen to, while it

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represented about seven hundred and fifty things. Okay, maybe that's

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a little hyperbole. It started with it represents your fellowship

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with God.

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Then it represented your work for God.

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Then it represented your effectiveness for your work for God.

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Then it represented your passion and your zeal. So it really,

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I don't we never really narrowed it down. It just

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kind of represented whatever the pastor wanted to say at

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any given moment, which was really frustrating because if it

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represents fifty things, how do you prove.

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That it represents any of it?

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Yes, instead of it representing an actual axe head that

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just actually fell in the water and he's actually bothered

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by it, it represents something spiritual, it becomes spiritualized. Now

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I'm not saying they would deny the historical that this

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is a historical narrative or the historical reality, but they

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just ignored the historical narrative. They just turned it into

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this weird spiritualized thing. Okay, so so it represents this.

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Now we listened to all of that, and I kept saying,

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but wait a minute. If it represents my fellowship with God,

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it's going to be very difficult to maintain that spiritual

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picture because what does he say, Well, hang on before

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we even get there. So according to the sermon, the

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axe so they're working for God. You become careless, you

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lose your act seat, and axead represents all of these things. Fellowship, passion, zeal, effectiveness, work,

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all of these things. And then this person cried out

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and said, and this represents confession. This is where you

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come to God and you confess I've lost my axehead

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and you are broken and you're contried, and this is

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like confessing your sin. I don't know where that is

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anywhere in the text, but that's where. And he took

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the word cry went to someone nineteen looked at random

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verses that had the word cry connected it to second

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King six. There's no textual basis in doing that, but

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that's okay, and so it creates a good sermon. And

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then I can't say, well, wait a minute. The last one, two, three,

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four words of verse five, the man cries out, not

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that I have sinned, not that I was complacent, not

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that I was apathetic, not that I was careless. He

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simply cries out, it was borrowed. So I'm like, well,

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wait a minute. If the axehead represents all of these things,

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then how do I understand it as being borrowed?

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My fellowship is borrowed.

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I'm borrowing fellowship, I'm borrowing passion, I'm borrowing effectiveness. Who

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am I borrowing it from? I'm borrowing it. Did I

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make a deal? Did I make an agreement that I come?

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Did I go to God and say I would like

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to borrow a little bit of fellowship? I would like

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to borrow.

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I just borrow it? Like, what does that even mean?

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The and the text? So I kept waiting for the

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pastor to get to the borrowing part.

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Well, he never got to it.

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Our episode went like an hour and twenty minutes, and

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I finally just stopped. And so I was going to

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go to another sermon, but I was just curious because

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it was already cued up. I'm like, let me get

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to the borrowing part. What does he do with the

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borrowing part? How does he make the borrowing part work

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with the idea that the axe head represents all of

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these things? Because how do you borrow all of these things?

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It just seems a little confusing. So I've got I

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got almost right where he begins the borrowing part. You

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want to hear how he deals.

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With the borrowing part, aren't you ready? Let's let's at

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least hear this.

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And I really don't know. I don't know.

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I'm hoping it gets better.

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I don't know. We're only going to go a little

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bit further just to get the basic idea, and then

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we're going to jump to another random sermon, just another

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random one that I chose on the axe head and see.

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What they do with it.

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So we're gonna get to get a little bit of

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everything in this episode. That's why I'm just calling it

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more ax talk. We're just having more discussion about axe heads,

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and well it's really a discussion about hermoneutics. But we

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can't really get into a discussion of hermonutics unless they

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really present an argument for their hermeneutical approach. But what

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you notice in many churches, you don't need to justify

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your hermeneutic. You just got to speak of it authoritatively,

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and everyone in the pew will just say amen and

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not have any idea that. Wait a minute, what is

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our hermonutical system in this church?

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Is this a complete violation of it?

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That's a whole, you know, different discussion. But it's it's

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pertinent to this. But let's get to the borrow part.

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Let's get to the one.

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He borrowed it.

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So let me read it again.

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So the man verse five, but as the one felling

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a beam, the ix had fell into the water, and

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he cried and said.

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A last master, for it was borrowed.

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It was borrowed. Okay, Now again you can start trying

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to spiritualize all of this. But if you start spiritualizing

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the meaning of the ox head, then whatever the oxhead represents,

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then you have to be consistent in your argument that

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we borrow whatever it represents. Whatever it represents, we borrow it. Right,

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let's see how he handles that reality.

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Now he's fixing to make some hay do you think

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anybody else's exe head would have swam?

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Not unless they're willing to confess.

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He showed that he believed that that man could help.

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I like the fact that he went to somebody smarter

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than him to find it.

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He obviously tried to find it.

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How do you know, because he went to exactly where

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he lost it. He knew where it came off. Why

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because as soon as he went down there he tried

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to go get.

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It, he knew exactly where it went off.

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Why.

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Well, if you're trying to cut down a tree and

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the axe head comes off, I think you know when

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it came off right now. I know. Earlier in the

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sermon he made it sound like that we're just sitting

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there or keep trying and we don't even realize the

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axe head's gone.

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Well, he kind of made the.

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Inference earlier in the sermon that the man was just apathetic, complacent,

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wasn't even paying attention.

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No, if the man if we're, if we're This is

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a weird.

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Thing about symbolic allegorical interpretation is sometimes you speak of

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it as if it's real, and sometimes you speak of

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it as if it's not real. Well, if he's really

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cutting down a tree with an ax and the axe

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head goes flying off. I think you're going to know,

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probably in about one point two seconds, probably the very

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you're gonna know, right, and so you in fact, you

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probably even saw that the ox head went flying off,

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and if it fell in the water. I'm guessing he

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wasn't wearing headphones or right, I'm guessing he wasn't wearing

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anything over his ears, So I'm assuming he heard the splash, right,

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So I'm assuming he knows exactly what happened. What do

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you mean what because he went after it. No, he

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obviously knows because he was I don't know, chopping down

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a tree like okay, So all right, so I guess

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he went out. So now we're back to now the

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more literal he went after the accident.

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So now it's literal. Is it literal? Is it figurative?

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Is it fellowship?

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Is it? I don't know, But he's going to get

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to the fact that it was borrowed. Let's see if this,

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if this stays consistent with the hermeneutic that's already been

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established earlier, which is this is all symbolic, this is

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all well, he may use the word illustrative. But the

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point is it all represents something other than what is

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actually there. So let's see how the borrow fits into

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all of this, or borrow fits into all of.

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This, which is what we normally do. Drops off.

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Oh my goodness, and immediately it's a reaction.

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I gotta do something, I gotta do something.

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I gotta do something.

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And then guess what happens?

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He realizes, Man, it has gone down that muddy Jordan river,

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and without supernatural intervention, I'm never gonna get it back.

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Preacher, what's the matter with you?

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Boy?

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What's you crying about?

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What you squalling about?

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What's you so upset about?

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Master?

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The heads come off, the axe head's gone, and the

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last Master, it's borrowed. It's not your own axe head.

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God gave you something when he saved you.

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Gave you that.

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Desire, that burning inside you to do something, to be

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willing to do something. But all of a sudden, you're

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still swinging, you're still busy, you're still doing stuff, but

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you're doing it without the benefit of the axe head.

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Yeah, okay, So the borrowed now means that we were

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given desire. So so now the axead represents desire that

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we were given at salvation. So at salvation we were

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given desire and it's borrowed desire because God gave it

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to us. So God gave it to us in a

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borrowed contractual way. We're just borrowing the desire. He didn't

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actually give it to me. He's just loan He loaned

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me desire and we're still out there working. Well, if

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the desire is gone, why are we still working. We're

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working out of obligation but not desire. So you know

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your axehead is gone and that you've you've lost. You've

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given back the loaned desire, so you've given back. Okay,

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let make sure how this works.

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So desire is the accent.

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I thought it was fellowship, but okay, I don't know

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what it is anymore. It's represented so many things. It's

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very fluid, obviously, but in this case, it just represents desire.

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So you get saved and God's like, here you go,

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I'm going to let you borrow this thing called desire

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and you're going to have it. Now. You can keep

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working for God, but you're not doing it out of

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the right desire because you lost the desire, because you

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lost your axe head. And how did you lose your desire?

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What's not because you're not working? Because he says you're working.

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You lost your desire because I don't know you watched

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a rated R movie? You, I mean because earlier in

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the sermony makes a big deal about drinking and smoking

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crack and smoking weed and watching rated R movies. So

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is that how you lose your desire?

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What?

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Did you lose your desire because you do this? And

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so what God let you borrow? In a sense you

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gave back? Or do you got to hold on to

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what you borrowed or it'll just fall off? Like you

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gotta be like, Okay, God gave me this desire, I

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gotta hold on to it.

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I gotta hold on to it.

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And if I don't hold on to it, it'll just

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it'll just go flying off the axe and then then

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the axe head falls into the ocean or to the water,

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or the Jordan or the pond or wherever. Okay, let's

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see if he explains it any so that and I'm

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not trying. I know it sounds like I'm trying to

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be sarcastic and I'm not. I look, if you're telling

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me the axe head represents fifteen things and if I

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lose the axe head, it's absolutely devastating for my spiritual life. Well,

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then I'm going to demand some kind of specificity and

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some kind of understanding or or I'm gonna I mean,

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come on, I mean, I have to understand it or

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or it?

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What do I do with this?

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Operating in your own power?

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And to the naked eye, man, you look like you're

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just smoking, but in your heart you're empty.

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And he goes and he says to.

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Him, he says, pretty sure, he said, I lost something.

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I realize the seriousness. I well, what's a.

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Good word there.

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I comprehend how serious this is. Because it's borrowed. That

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means I am not now going to be able to

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work here at the church building a bigger building. I

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now have to go back to where I borrowed the

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axe because I now owed a debt and the.

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Servant is subject to the lender.

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So now it sounds like the axet actually represents power.

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So you're doing things without the power of God, so

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God lets you borrow power. So the axe head represents fellowship,

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the ax head represents effectiveness, the axet represents desire, and

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the axe head represents power. I think that's the only

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things that represents so far. So it represents power. So

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God give lets me borrow power. But I can lose

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that power even though I'm working. I don't know the

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quite the steps it takes me to lose the power.

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And if God's given me power, so my power is

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greater than the power given to me to cause me

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to lose the power. Or do I have to keep

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the power or wouldn't the power keep me? I Okay,

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let's see it. Let's see if it makes any sense here.

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Now I gotta go back and work for them because

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I gotta pay off a debt I.

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Lost my.

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Now wait a minute, this is now going back to

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the literal idea. Say I can't keep building. I got

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to go back to the people I borrow the axe

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head from and work for them to pay them back.

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Wait a minute, how does this work spiritually? So I

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lost the axaid. Now I have to go back to God,

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who's the one who loaned it to me, and work

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for him. But if you're already working for God, then

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how do you go back to not working?

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Who am I going back to work? I can no

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longer work for God.

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I gotta go back to the people I borrowed it from,

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but I thought I borrowed it from God.

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They don't understand.

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Okay, if if what I borrowed was power desire in

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this stuff from God, I'm borrowed it from God. Now

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he think I can't keep doing this work for God

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because I got to go back to the person I

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borrowed it from. But I borrowed it from God. Now

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he's making it sound like I got to stop the

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work of God to go pay back the person I

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borrowed it from, But didn't I borrow it from God.

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I'm really really con Let's see if he cleans this up.

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My axe head, and.

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Now I can't do what I wanted to hear you

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followed me, I can't do what I wanted to do

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because it was borrowed alast master for it was borrowed.

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Game changer.

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Life doesn't get to continue like it was.

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I'm gonna have to change. I like what the preacher

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says southern. I think he's southern. Where'd you lose a boy?

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Where to come off at? We always got to put

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an ad on there and don't give me the correct

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grammar or just behind the at. You know what kind

478
00:25:29.400 --> 00:25:30.440
of thing no, where's that at?

479
00:25:30.480 --> 00:25:32.480
Boy?

480
00:25:32.680 --> 00:25:35.319
He said, Preachers ain't no hope.

481
00:25:38.240 --> 00:25:38.480
Again.

482
00:25:38.599 --> 00:25:41.960
Preachers just do this. We just create dialogue. We just

483
00:25:41.960 --> 00:25:44.920
started adding to the stories. I'm telling you, it's basically

484
00:25:44.960 --> 00:25:48.079
the Chosen and veggietails. It's just you, just the makeups.

485
00:25:48.279 --> 00:25:51.839
I don't I mean, how much.

486
00:25:53.480 --> 00:25:59.240
Creative license does a preacher have when explaining the biblical narrative?

487
00:25:59.480 --> 00:26:03.680
How much which creative license do I have to just

488
00:26:03.839 --> 00:26:07.240
add made up dialogue? Just tell just And I still

489
00:26:07.240 --> 00:26:09.920
don't understand the borrowed part. I can't keep working for

490
00:26:09.960 --> 00:26:13.559
God because I gotta go back and pay the person

491
00:26:13.559 --> 00:26:15.519
that borrowed it from But I thought I borrowed it

492
00:26:15.519 --> 00:26:19.160
from God. He didn't even bother to unravel that confused idea.

493
00:26:19.279 --> 00:26:25.039
I don't literally understand any of this hermoneutical approach. I'm

494
00:26:25.039 --> 00:26:27.480
gonna let him just go a little bit longer, and

495
00:26:27.519 --> 00:26:30.279
then I'm assuming the stick in the water is gonna

496
00:26:30.279 --> 00:26:32.920
be Jesus dying, and it's gonna who knows what it's

497
00:26:32.960 --> 00:26:36.200
gonna turn into. But you can go finish this, because

498
00:26:36.240 --> 00:26:37.720
what we're gonna do is henry a minute. We'll just

499
00:26:37.799 --> 00:26:40.920
grab another random sermon and then we'll just see if

500
00:26:40.920 --> 00:26:44.079
we can find out what their hermonutical approach is to it,

501
00:26:44.319 --> 00:26:49.720
because I mean, I just man seven verses and the

502
00:26:49.759 --> 00:26:58.559
things preach. Look, I criticize a lot the absolute insanity

503
00:26:58.640 --> 00:27:02.359
within Christianity of no one agreeing on anything right. I

504
00:27:02.480 --> 00:27:05.799
say that all the time. It's maddening. There's so much.

505
00:27:05.920 --> 00:27:09.079
Nobody agrees on this. Nobody agrees on this, everyone has

506
00:27:09.079 --> 00:27:12.599
their own interpretation. There seems to be no hermonutical rules.

507
00:27:12.680 --> 00:27:16.880
It's just absolute, total hermeneutical anarchy, with everyone thinking they're

508
00:27:16.960 --> 00:27:20.279
right and everyone else they think they're wrong. It's insanity. Like,

509
00:27:20.480 --> 00:27:22.960
I don't know how anyone can figure anything out. If

510
00:27:23.000 --> 00:27:26.119
you ever want to just see just look at Second

511
00:27:26.200 --> 00:27:29.440
Kings chapter six, verses one through seven, a very straightforward

512
00:27:29.480 --> 00:27:32.920
story about the lost oxhead and it being recovered, and

513
00:27:33.039 --> 00:27:36.440
next thing you know, it just turns into literally anything

514
00:27:36.480 --> 00:27:39.680
you want it to be. And you can go through

515
00:27:39.759 --> 00:27:44.880
church history and see these utterly radically different interpretations all

516
00:27:44.920 --> 00:27:49.279
from the same text. If we can't figure out that

517
00:27:49.319 --> 00:27:51.279
an axe head is simply an axehead that fell in

518
00:27:51.319 --> 00:27:54.279
the water and the axe head was made it, does

519
00:27:54.279 --> 00:28:01.920
it say here the axhead fell into water. Axheads are

520
00:28:01.920 --> 00:28:04.839
typically made of iron I think that's the typical understanding.

521
00:28:04.920 --> 00:28:07.680
But the axhead represents a tool or not represents it

522
00:28:07.759 --> 00:28:10.759
is a tool, I should state that correctly. It is

523
00:28:10.880 --> 00:28:13.880
a tool that would have been of great value at

524
00:28:13.920 --> 00:28:17.480
that time. To lose it would be somewhat of a

525
00:28:17.640 --> 00:28:20.480
negative thing, because now you've lost something that you've borrowed

526
00:28:20.480 --> 00:28:23.279
from someone else, and they're going to be upset, and

527
00:28:23.319 --> 00:28:24.519
you know what, You've got to feure out how you're

528
00:28:24.519 --> 00:28:27.200
going to pay them back. So maybe this is just

529
00:28:27.359 --> 00:28:30.599
demonstrating first the man's concern that he may now have

530
00:28:30.640 --> 00:28:33.000
defrauded whoever he borrowed this from, and he doesn't know

531
00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:34.200
how he was going to pay it back, and this

532
00:28:34.240 --> 00:28:35.960
is going to be embarrassing, and this is going to

533
00:28:35.960 --> 00:28:39.519
be not a good situation. And maybe it demonstrates the

534
00:28:39.559 --> 00:28:44.160
profit caring enough about this, maybe seemwat trivial situation and

535
00:28:44.319 --> 00:28:48.839
intervening and God demonstrating maybe care over smaller things. I

536
00:28:48.839 --> 00:28:50.599
don't know how we approach it. Well, we can't just

537
00:28:50.640 --> 00:28:54.079
turn it into whatever we want. Now again, I've heard

538
00:28:54.240 --> 00:28:57.519
so I've been taught so many different interpretations on this.

539
00:28:57.680 --> 00:28:59.519
But let's see if he cleans this up at all,

540
00:28:59.799 --> 00:29:04.720
the borrowed part really destroys everything that he's say, everything

541
00:29:04.759 --> 00:29:06.759
that he said, this represents the borrowed part.

542
00:29:06.839 --> 00:29:08.960
He just he just wiped it out because.

543
00:29:08.799 --> 00:29:11.599
Clearly I didn't borrow it from God, even though he

544
00:29:11.680 --> 00:29:13.599
made it sound like I did borrow it from God.

545
00:29:13.640 --> 00:29:15.960
What if I borrowed it from God? How do I

546
00:29:16.039 --> 00:29:19.200
go back to God to pay him back? Like? How

547
00:29:19.240 --> 00:29:20.119
does he where?

548
00:29:20.680 --> 00:29:22.279
I don't know how any of this works.

549
00:29:24.400 --> 00:29:29.279
You ain't getting it back, he said. Why he's out

550
00:29:29.279 --> 00:29:35.039
there in the river. It ain't coming back. You ain't

551
00:29:35.039 --> 00:29:37.799
got no diving gear, we ain't got no nets, and

552
00:29:37.839 --> 00:29:39.480
there ain't no way to get out there and get it.

553
00:29:41.359 --> 00:29:42.200
I'm in a mess.

554
00:29:44.319 --> 00:29:45.440
And the preacher says.

555
00:29:46.720 --> 00:29:48.559
Where'd you say it was? He said, right over there?

556
00:29:48.640 --> 00:29:51.599
And he said, isn't it interesting you look in that passwords?

557
00:29:51.599 --> 00:29:52.200
You know passage?

558
00:29:52.200 --> 00:29:54.519
You know what you find out between the time that

559
00:29:54.559 --> 00:29:56.240
this boy lost it and the time they go to

560
00:29:56.240 --> 00:29:59.039
find that that guy now sees something he didn't see before.

561
00:30:00.880 --> 00:30:03.359
There's not a beam in the way.

562
00:30:03.759 --> 00:30:04.759
It ain't a big thing.

563
00:30:08.039 --> 00:30:08.839
It's a little thing.

564
00:30:09.960 --> 00:30:10.839
It's a stick.

565
00:30:12.559 --> 00:30:13.319
It's a sapling.

566
00:30:14.519 --> 00:30:16.880
But if that sapling is in the right place, it

567
00:30:16.920 --> 00:30:19.880
doesn't take a very big circumference to be able to

568
00:30:19.880 --> 00:30:22.680
block your view and to prevent you from getting to

569
00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:27.680
where you need to go. And the preacher said, there's

570
00:30:27.680 --> 00:30:32.559
something the way anything boy, Yes, sir preacher, watch it

571
00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:36.359
ad libing just a tad. I ain't got nothing to

572
00:30:36.359 --> 00:30:39.880
cut it with. My axe head is in the drink.

573
00:30:41.920 --> 00:30:43.440
I don't have a weapon to cut it.

574
00:30:43.480 --> 00:30:48.079
Well, I don't have an app ad libbing just a bit,

575
00:30:48.519 --> 00:30:52.920
your whole cell making this entire scene up. You're just

576
00:30:53.039 --> 00:30:58.400
creating your own imaginary scene, in your own imaginary dialogue.

577
00:30:58.480 --> 00:31:02.279
You're not just ad libbing a You're just literally making

578
00:31:02.359 --> 00:31:08.359
something up and claiming that it's somehow. Second Kings, Chapter six,

579
00:31:08.480 --> 00:31:11.119
verses one through seven. I'll let him just finish this

580
00:31:11.160 --> 00:31:13.960
and then we'll go pull up the other one.

581
00:31:14.200 --> 00:31:16.559
I don't have a saw, I don't have a knife.

582
00:31:16.599 --> 00:31:20.119
I don't have anything, Preacher, I can't get it back

583
00:31:20.160 --> 00:31:20.680
on my own.

584
00:31:20.839 --> 00:31:26.000
Oh man, there is a mouthful there. I mean, I

585
00:31:26.079 --> 00:31:29.079
see the stick. I realize there's.

586
00:31:28.920 --> 00:31:32.160
An object that has become an obstruction between me and

587
00:31:32.200 --> 00:31:32.480
the end.

588
00:31:32.920 --> 00:31:38.119
I get that, Preacher, there's an object that's an obstruction.

589
00:31:39.240 --> 00:31:41.160
And the Man of God said, where fell it? And

590
00:31:41.200 --> 00:31:43.039
he showed him the place, and he cut down a

591
00:31:43.079 --> 00:31:45.359
stick and casted it, and thither he doesn't see It's

592
00:31:45.519 --> 00:31:48.119
where do you get that this is blocking anything? Where

593
00:31:48.160 --> 00:31:49.519
is this is an obstruction?

594
00:31:50.240 --> 00:32:13.759
None of this is even.

595
00:32:04.799 --> 00:32:08.680
I understand now why the average Christian has no clue

596
00:32:08.720 --> 00:32:12.279
how to study the Bible, because if you listened to preaching,

597
00:32:16.519 --> 00:32:18.920
your conclusion would be you just read the text and

598
00:32:18.920 --> 00:32:22.880
make up stuff. That's how you do Bible study. You

599
00:32:22.920 --> 00:32:25.640
read the text and you just make up stuff. Just

600
00:32:25.680 --> 00:32:29.599
make it up, just make up dialogue, make up what's

601
00:32:29.640 --> 00:32:31.640
actually happening, just make.

602
00:32:31.480 --> 00:32:32.039
It all up.

603
00:32:32.440 --> 00:32:35.759
Your Bible study method is read and make up, just

604
00:32:35.799 --> 00:32:39.720
make it up, and then you've studied the Bible. Now,

605
00:32:39.720 --> 00:32:42.839
see if I say that Christians will get all, men say,

606
00:32:42.920 --> 00:32:43.759
that's not true.

607
00:32:43.920 --> 00:32:45.519
That's literally what happens.

608
00:32:46.200 --> 00:32:48.319
How many sermons have we listened to were like, where

609
00:32:48.400 --> 00:32:50.920
is the text does not even imply that, it does

610
00:32:50.960 --> 00:32:53.160
not even say that, but that there'll be churches of

611
00:32:53.359 --> 00:32:58.160
hundreds upon hundreds of people. Everyone's saying Amen. Now, philologically,

612
00:32:58.200 --> 00:33:00.319
I may be in agreement with those churches. I may

613
00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:02.359
even agree with some of the points made I've said

614
00:33:02.400 --> 00:33:04.000
in this sermon. I agree with a lot of the

615
00:33:04.039 --> 00:33:06.400
points made. I just don't think it has literally anything

616
00:33:06.400 --> 00:33:08.799
to do a second King, chapter six, verses one through seven.

617
00:33:08.960 --> 00:33:10.880
And I don't know where now this is an obstruction,

618
00:33:11.119 --> 00:33:13.240
And he's like, I can't cut it down because I

619
00:33:13.319 --> 00:33:14.400
lost my axe head.

620
00:33:14.599 --> 00:33:18.119
None of this is anywhere in the text.

621
00:33:20.079 --> 00:33:21.599
I understand that it fell over there.

622
00:33:21.720 --> 00:33:24.200
Matter of fact, I don't even know, Preacher, how it

623
00:33:24.359 --> 00:33:27.000
fell over there. And now I'm looking at it from

624
00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:30.839
this perspective, I see the stick, but.

625
00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:35.480
I ain't got no way to cut it down. Where

626
00:33:35.559 --> 00:33:41.000
is this coming from?

627
00:33:44.720 --> 00:33:48.119
Now? If I was to go to a text.

628
00:33:49.519 --> 00:33:52.240
About the virgin birth as well, it wasn't actually a

629
00:33:52.319 --> 00:33:54.759
virgin birth and actually represents this or this, and I

630
00:33:54.839 --> 00:33:56.559
just started making or even if I said it was

631
00:33:56.559 --> 00:33:58.839
actually a virgin birth, but it actually represents this or

632
00:33:58.839 --> 00:34:00.599
this or this, and I just start throwing out all

633
00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:02.359
kinds of things that are not in the text and

634
00:34:02.440 --> 00:34:04.759
just made up. People would lose their minds and say,

635
00:34:04.920 --> 00:34:06.720
you are a stinking heretic.

636
00:34:07.000 --> 00:34:09.199
How dare you do that to the word of God.

637
00:34:09.360 --> 00:34:11.320
You're twisting it to your own destruction.

638
00:34:11.639 --> 00:34:13.840
But then there's other places you can just make up

639
00:34:13.880 --> 00:34:17.280
whostal conversations and discussions, and everybody's like, it's okay.

640
00:34:17.599 --> 00:34:30.480
Why the inconsistency, Why.

641
00:34:30.440 --> 00:34:31.519
You think that's in your Bible?

642
00:34:31.599 --> 00:34:35.159
Such a my new detail? What do you think that's weird?

643
00:34:37.599 --> 00:34:41.320
And the preacher must have an axe or a sword

644
00:34:42.440 --> 00:34:48.360
some because he cuts the stick down. There has to

645
00:34:48.440 --> 00:34:56.199
be a cutting away and a casting aside before the

646
00:34:56.280 --> 00:34:58.000
axe head's coming back up out of the drink.

647
00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:03.440
I don't even know like this text is. I don't

648
00:35:03.480 --> 00:35:06.320
even know what's happened anymore, ladies and gentlemen, I don't

649
00:35:06.320 --> 00:35:11.119
know what any And everybody's sitting there saying amen, like

650
00:35:11.159 --> 00:35:14.039
they're hearing something so profound. I would be sitting there

651
00:35:14.039 --> 00:35:16.320
looking at my Bible. I'd be turning it upside down.

652
00:35:16.719 --> 00:35:19.360
I'd be laying on the floor holding the Bible over

653
00:35:19.400 --> 00:35:21.880
my head. I'd be I'd lay the Bible upside down

654
00:35:21.880 --> 00:35:23.920
and lay on top of it. I'd be crawling all

655
00:35:23.960 --> 00:35:26.199
over the floor, going what is going on? And everybody

656
00:35:26.280 --> 00:35:28.239
be looking, I mean, like you're lost your mind. I'm like, no,

657
00:35:28.320 --> 00:35:30.679
what's lost? What's caused me to lose my mind?

658
00:35:30.719 --> 00:35:30.800
Is?

659
00:35:30.840 --> 00:35:34.000
I have no idea what's going on here? But you're

660
00:35:34.199 --> 00:35:36.320
you're not supposed to so there's that. You can go

661
00:35:36.360 --> 00:35:38.760
finish listening to the rest of that. Check your axe

662
00:35:38.760 --> 00:35:40.480
head is the name of it? Please go listen to

663
00:35:40.519 --> 00:35:43.480
the rest. Please please go listen to the rest. Maybe

664
00:35:43.480 --> 00:35:45.480
we'll come back to it at some point, but I

665
00:35:45.519 --> 00:35:48.320
want to at least I wanted to get the borrowed part.

666
00:35:48.360 --> 00:35:50.119
And the borrowed part did not help. In fact, the

667
00:35:50.119 --> 00:35:53.199
borrowed part actually seemed to contradict his entire picture, but

668
00:35:53.280 --> 00:35:55.159
he just went right past it. And now he's making

669
00:35:55.280 --> 00:35:59.719
up complete wholesale dialogue make I don't even I don't

670
00:35:59.760 --> 00:36:02.559
even know what to do, So let's go see. I

671
00:36:02.960 --> 00:36:07.639
chose another random one. What's this one? Let's check your

672
00:36:07.639 --> 00:36:08.760
ax head? What's this one?

673
00:36:08.960 --> 00:36:11.960
A lost axe head? A lost axe head?

674
00:36:12.119 --> 00:36:14.639
This is called a lost axe head. And what I

675
00:36:14.679 --> 00:36:16.440
simply did is I went to the sermon's two point

676
00:36:16.480 --> 00:36:19.400
o app and just typed in the word ax and

677
00:36:19.519 --> 00:36:21.599
just went boom. And I'm like, oh, here's lots of

678
00:36:21.599 --> 00:36:23.440
messages that mention an ax.

679
00:36:24.079 --> 00:36:25.039
Let's see if.

680
00:36:25.079 --> 00:36:26.599
And I didn't even check to see if this was

681
00:36:26.639 --> 00:36:29.280
Second Kings or anything but a lost axe Head. If

682
00:36:29.320 --> 00:36:31.599
I see that title, I know it's Second Kings Chapter

683
00:36:31.639 --> 00:36:35.599
six almost inevitably. Right, So all right, let's just see.

684
00:36:35.679 --> 00:36:37.840
I hope the volume is loud enough on this one.

685
00:36:37.960 --> 00:36:39.760
All we're gonna do here is just try to listen

686
00:36:39.800 --> 00:36:43.599
long enough to hear what their hypothesis is, what's their

687
00:36:43.639 --> 00:36:44.679
hermaeneutical approach?

688
00:36:44.719 --> 00:36:45.159
Are you ready?

689
00:36:45.199 --> 00:36:48.199
Here we go six? I hope you're in July.

690
00:36:48.239 --> 00:36:51.920
I am in loving the stories of Elisha and the

691
00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:55.480
different applications that we're making to it. We're gonna do

692
00:36:55.559 --> 00:36:58.719
that again tonight. Second King's chapter number six.

693
00:36:59.639 --> 00:37:00.360
We have just.

694
00:37:00.320 --> 00:37:10.400
Come through the story of Naming being healed of leprosy.

695
00:37:11.199 --> 00:37:13.719
I was reminded when I was reading over this story

696
00:37:13.719 --> 00:37:15.239
that we're going to look at in just a minute.

697
00:37:15.880 --> 00:37:18.519
It's amazing to me that when you look at some

698
00:37:18.679 --> 00:37:22.320
of the stories you'll have, you'll have somebody like the

699
00:37:22.400 --> 00:37:26.239
King of Moab, the King of Israel, and the King

700
00:37:26.480 --> 00:37:30.519
of Judah all involved in a chapter in the very

701
00:37:30.599 --> 00:37:33.960
next chapter, and these would be like the prominent figures

702
00:37:34.000 --> 00:37:37.039
of the day. And then the very next chapter, Elisha's

703
00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:40.480
dealing with a widow woman who was about to lose

704
00:37:40.559 --> 00:37:45.320
her two boys into slavery because she couldn't pay the debt.

705
00:37:45.960 --> 00:37:47.920
And then you read a story like Naman.

706
00:37:48.760 --> 00:37:51.679
And here is a man who is the captain of

707
00:37:51.800 --> 00:37:57.480
the Syrian army, very high profile individual, and God saves

708
00:37:57.559 --> 00:37:58.400
him for leprosy.

709
00:37:58.920 --> 00:38:02.039
And then you come to chapter and it's about a

710
00:38:02.079 --> 00:38:03.119
Bible college boy.

711
00:38:04.199 --> 00:38:12.440
So let's stand by the way, this is the same

712
00:38:12.519 --> 00:38:15.480
sons of the prophets that the man that was in

713
00:38:15.519 --> 00:38:18.639
that his wife died, and so we could make it

714
00:38:18.679 --> 00:38:21.639
a Bible institute or a Bible college setting. And that's

715
00:38:21.719 --> 00:38:23.639
kind of what it is. And I want to talk

716
00:38:23.679 --> 00:38:27.639
about that tonight in the application. So notice what it says,

717
00:38:28.079 --> 00:38:31.639
beginning in the second King six, verse one, and the

718
00:38:31.679 --> 00:38:36.760
sons of the prophet said, unto Elisha, behold now, the

719
00:38:36.840 --> 00:38:38.519
place where we dwell with.

720
00:38:38.559 --> 00:38:40.960
THEE is too straight for us.

721
00:38:41.159 --> 00:38:44.400
Now remember that word straight when we're on the New Testament,

722
00:38:44.480 --> 00:38:48.320
it means narrow, all right. He said, let us go,

723
00:38:48.480 --> 00:38:52.519
we pray Thee unto Jordan and take fence, every man

724
00:38:52.519 --> 00:38:56.480
a beam, and let us make a place there where

725
00:38:56.519 --> 00:38:57.440
we may dwell.

726
00:38:57.679 --> 00:38:59.800
And he answered, go ye. So what is he doing.

727
00:39:00.159 --> 00:39:03.920
He's saying, we need bigger dorms. We need we need

728
00:39:04.000 --> 00:39:07.519
we need more space. We need uh, we need more space.

729
00:39:07.559 --> 00:39:09.800
We need a bigger auditorium in this case it would go.

730
00:39:10.199 --> 00:39:12.519
And by the way, Hartland needs more dorms right now,

731
00:39:12.920 --> 00:39:16.519
so we need more dorm space. And he said uh,

732
00:39:17.039 --> 00:39:20.000
and he said go ye. And verse three and one

733
00:39:20.039 --> 00:39:23.639
said be content, I pray thee and go with thy servants.

734
00:39:23.639 --> 00:39:25.440
And he answered, I will go.

735
00:39:26.400 --> 00:39:29.199
So he went with them. And when they came to Jordan,

736
00:39:29.320 --> 00:39:34.079
they cut down wood. But as one was felling a beam,

737
00:39:34.440 --> 00:39:37.960
an axe head fell into the water. And he cried

738
00:39:38.000 --> 00:39:42.719
and said, alas, master, for it was borrowed. And the

739
00:39:42.760 --> 00:39:46.039
man of God said where fell it? And he showed

740
00:39:46.119 --> 00:39:50.199
him the place, and he cut down a stick and

741
00:39:50.320 --> 00:39:51.199
he cast.

742
00:39:50.880 --> 00:39:51.519
It him thither.

743
00:39:51.719 --> 00:39:56.039
I love this, and the iron did swim. Now it

744
00:39:56.119 --> 00:40:00.320
doesn't tell us if it did the backstroke, but can

745
00:40:00.360 --> 00:40:04.440
you can you imagine? I mean, this is awesome. I mean, master,

746
00:40:04.639 --> 00:40:08.000
the axe head fell off of my off of my head,

747
00:40:08.079 --> 00:40:11.440
and it's and it's a borrowed I borrowed it. He goes,

748
00:40:11.559 --> 00:40:13.679
word in it fall. This is elive, word it fall.

749
00:40:14.159 --> 00:40:17.400
It fell right there, and to thing, whoop. And by

750
00:40:17.440 --> 00:40:22.239
the way, iron don't swim unless God's in the control.

751
00:40:23.119 --> 00:40:26.880
I love this, and the iron did swim. Therefore said

752
00:40:26.920 --> 00:40:29.480
he take it up to thee and he put it

753
00:40:29.519 --> 00:40:32.159
in his hand and took it. Now, here's what I

754
00:40:32.280 --> 00:40:32.960
like to think about.

755
00:40:33.000 --> 00:40:36.079
Wherever everybody's thy where's he going to go with this? Well,

756
00:40:36.159 --> 00:40:39.159
that's why we're here tonight. Amen help us. Lord.

757
00:40:39.199 --> 00:40:42.760
I pray tonight that we might understand this story and

758
00:40:42.800 --> 00:40:46.559
how important it was to this young man that he

759
00:40:46.679 --> 00:40:49.079
might be able to see the wonderful works of God

760
00:40:49.119 --> 00:40:50.519
in his own life.

761
00:40:50.679 --> 00:40:51.920
And Lord, I pray that our.

762
00:40:51.880 --> 00:40:55.960
Young people would understand that they must they must also

763
00:40:56.039 --> 00:40:58.880
see God work in their own life, no matter how

764
00:40:58.920 --> 00:41:01.159
big it might be or how how small it might be.

765
00:41:01.679 --> 00:41:03.800
So I pray that we might take this young man

766
00:41:04.239 --> 00:41:07.880
who was a Bible college student helping to build a

767
00:41:07.920 --> 00:41:12.320
new dorm, loses an axehead and sees the miracle of

768
00:41:12.360 --> 00:41:15.440
God because he knew that that axe head did not

769
00:41:15.559 --> 00:41:19.039
belong to him, and therefore it was a very serious

770
00:41:19.119 --> 00:41:22.440
situation to him. I pray we'd get some sense out

771
00:41:22.480 --> 00:41:25.599
of this tonight, make some great application.

772
00:41:25.519 --> 00:41:29.360
And Lords, you help us. In Jesus's name, we pray Amen.

773
00:41:32.760 --> 00:41:36.599
Now again, you know how I feel about the prayer

774
00:41:36.639 --> 00:41:41.760
before a sermon. God help us understand if God's the

775
00:41:41.760 --> 00:41:44.719
one helping helping us understand. If God is the one

776
00:41:44.719 --> 00:41:47.519
who's showing us what a text means, then ladies and gentlemen,

777
00:41:47.960 --> 00:41:53.960
there should be one interpretation. There's not one interpretation on

778
00:41:53.960 --> 00:41:56.320
one verse in the entire Bible. After two thousand years

779
00:41:56.360 --> 00:41:59.599
of church history, there are thousands upon thousands upon thousands.

780
00:41:59.679 --> 00:42:02.000
We don't agree on anything. So if God is helping

781
00:42:02.000 --> 00:42:03.840
you and God is helping me, and we come up

782
00:42:03.880 --> 00:42:10.239
to different interpretations, then yeah, okay, so let's see.

783
00:42:11.039 --> 00:42:12.760
Let's see what how all we want to go.

784
00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:14.239
This is what we're gonna do. I know we're already

785
00:42:14.239 --> 00:42:16.480
at forty two minutes. What we're going to attempted to

786
00:42:16.559 --> 00:42:21.280
just determine is what is his hypotheses on what the

787
00:42:21.320 --> 00:42:25.239
axhead represents? Because I doubt Now, maybe I'm wrong, but

788
00:42:25.320 --> 00:42:27.960
I'm pretty sure he's gonna go with a symbolic idea. Now,

789
00:42:28.000 --> 00:42:29.679
maybe he's just gonna be like, no, this is an

790
00:42:29.719 --> 00:42:34.559
actual axehead. It doesn't represent anything. And what it demonstrates

791
00:42:34.800 --> 00:42:38.719
is God's care about a small detail, where in the

792
00:42:38.760 --> 00:42:42.320
other passages of second Kings and these miracles, God cares

793
00:42:42.360 --> 00:42:46.199
about great details. He did make that observation and passing

794
00:42:46.440 --> 00:42:48.719
that if you look at the context. It's like, well,

795
00:42:48.800 --> 00:42:51.920
there's kings, and then there's a widow, and there's there's

796
00:42:52.360 --> 00:42:55.440
a king, and then there's just a basically students from

797
00:42:55.559 --> 00:42:58.960
like a quote unquote Bible College, the School of the Prophets. Okay, okay,

798
00:42:58.960 --> 00:43:03.159
well all right, now you're making an observation observational exercise.

799
00:43:03.199 --> 00:43:05.599
What do we always talk about You can't interpret until

800
00:43:05.639 --> 00:43:09.440
you do observation. Observation always comes before interpretation, and the

801
00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:13.840
quality of your interpretation interpretation determined is determined by the

802
00:43:13.920 --> 00:43:18.079
quality of your observation. He made a good observational you

803
00:43:18.119 --> 00:43:23.760
know statement. Hey, there's it seems to show God's involvement

804
00:43:23.880 --> 00:43:28.480
in big details or small details. Right now, we're onto something.

805
00:43:28.760 --> 00:43:31.159
Now is he going to stay there with that observation

806
00:43:31.480 --> 00:43:34.480
or is this getting ready to turn into why does it?

807
00:43:34.519 --> 00:43:35.559
I don't know, let's find out.

808
00:43:37.440 --> 00:43:42.360
You may be seated a lost axe head. That's what

809
00:43:42.400 --> 00:43:46.159
you're going to preach about tonight. Yes, especially the part

810
00:43:46.480 --> 00:43:48.800
where the Bible said and the.

811
00:43:48.800 --> 00:43:51.199
Iron did swim.

812
00:43:51.880 --> 00:43:54.599
Now, I want you to think about this as as

813
00:43:54.639 --> 00:44:01.000
far as compared to the leprosy of naming with name

814
00:44:01.119 --> 00:44:05.000
and meant that he was under a death sentence now

815
00:44:05.039 --> 00:44:09.800
I act said falling into the water after failing a

816
00:44:09.840 --> 00:44:13.599
beam and the thing fly off and go into the water.

817
00:44:14.320 --> 00:44:15.760
I would say that.

818
00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:18.679
That is not as a big a deal as a

819
00:44:18.760 --> 00:44:22.960
leprosy of Naman. However, in the Economy of God, he

820
00:44:23.119 --> 00:44:26.559
shows us this story to help us understand it was

821
00:44:26.639 --> 00:44:29.719
important to the students.

822
00:44:31.000 --> 00:44:35.039
All Right, this is good observational. I'm liking this right.

823
00:44:35.239 --> 00:44:37.880
He's comparing it to the story that comes before. He's

824
00:44:37.920 --> 00:44:39.719
saying that you could look at this as being a

825
00:44:39.760 --> 00:44:42.800
bigger thing a smaller thing, but it does demonstrate the importance.

826
00:44:42.400 --> 00:44:43.159
It is to the student.

827
00:44:43.199 --> 00:44:46.800
Okay, this is good, all right. Now, now we're getting somewhere.

828
00:44:46.960 --> 00:44:49.880
The last message there was like no we' they didn't.

829
00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:51.480
I mean, it was just an I don't even know

830
00:44:51.519 --> 00:44:54.599
what that was. This is at least all right, Maybe

831
00:44:54.599 --> 00:44:56.239
this is good. Maybe he's not even going to go

832
00:44:56.320 --> 00:44:59.159
with an allegorical symbolic approach. Maybe he's just going to

833
00:44:59.199 --> 00:45:01.239
be like, this is an I said, and here's what

834
00:45:01.320 --> 00:45:04.199
we can learn from it. I'm not going to say

835
00:45:04.239 --> 00:45:08.000
it represents that this could be I've got a little

836
00:45:08.000 --> 00:45:11.880
bit of optimism here. I'm I'm getting hopeful. I'm I'm

837
00:45:12.440 --> 00:45:14.679
man I'm gonna stand up on my chair and and

838
00:45:14.679 --> 00:45:15.440
and and and be.

839
00:45:15.519 --> 00:45:20.119
Like, yes, I'm gonna start clapping this this is okay.

840
00:45:20.199 --> 00:45:22.199
I know you're telling me, don't don't get too excited yet.

841
00:45:22.239 --> 00:45:24.400
I know you're probably right. I probably shouldn't get you know,

842
00:45:24.599 --> 00:45:26.920
since I gave up hope A fell a whole lot better.

843
00:45:27.000 --> 00:45:29.199
If you have hope, you're gonna you're almost always going

844
00:45:29.280 --> 00:45:31.199
to be disappointed. So maybe I shouldn't have any hope.

845
00:45:31.199 --> 00:45:33.960
Maybe I should just be waiting for the inevitable trainwreck.

846
00:45:34.000 --> 00:45:39.519
Maybe let's see, it was something that was very important

847
00:45:39.639 --> 00:45:41.440
to him, and so we do.

848
00:45:41.599 --> 00:45:43.320
We will never uh.

849
00:45:43.639 --> 00:45:47.119
When God brings our attention to something like this, we

850
00:45:47.199 --> 00:45:50.840
need to be understanding that, yes, it is important. And

851
00:45:50.880 --> 00:45:53.760
it brings me right back to our young people that

852
00:45:54.159 --> 00:45:57.280
just like maybe we need a bigger miracle in our

853
00:45:57.360 --> 00:45:59.039
life about something that's going on.

854
00:45:59.639 --> 00:46:00.840
They need to see.

855
00:46:00.639 --> 00:46:03.960
God work in their life, just like we need to

856
00:46:04.000 --> 00:46:06.880
see God work in our life. And so when you

857
00:46:06.920 --> 00:46:10.519
think about the leprosy of naming the woman that was

858
00:46:10.559 --> 00:46:13.800
about to have her children sold into slavery, the food

859
00:46:14.480 --> 00:46:17.119
short it is among the school of the prophets, the

860
00:46:17.239 --> 00:46:20.639
death in the pot all of those things seemed to

861
00:46:20.679 --> 00:46:25.239
be something that was very overwhelming. However, it was a

862
00:46:25.280 --> 00:46:28.239
big deal to a young man in the school of

863
00:46:28.239 --> 00:46:31.679
the prophets. So God said, let me show you this story,

864
00:46:32.480 --> 00:46:35.760
and we need to understand that. I remember one time

865
00:46:35.920 --> 00:46:38.519
a kid came down the aisle and he was crying,

866
00:46:39.440 --> 00:46:41.280
and I didn't know if he needed to be saved.

867
00:46:41.320 --> 00:46:45.079
I didn't know if his mother was sick. And so

868
00:46:45.119 --> 00:46:47.480
he came down and he told me that his dog

869
00:46:47.639 --> 00:46:50.159
was sick. So we got down on our knees and

870
00:46:50.199 --> 00:46:53.440
we prayed for that dog. And later on we found

871
00:46:53.480 --> 00:46:56.239
out the dog got better. And I said, praise God.

872
00:46:56.519 --> 00:46:59.360
You know that boy, who was just a wee little lad,

873
00:46:59.719 --> 00:47:02.599
he probably eight or nine years old, he needed to

874
00:47:02.639 --> 00:47:05.559
see God do something in his life. And so I'm

875
00:47:05.599 --> 00:47:09.039
just saying, even though the story involves a man, a

876
00:47:09.079 --> 00:47:12.559
young man who is surrendered to the call of a prophet,

877
00:47:12.960 --> 00:47:13.599
willing to.

878
00:47:13.519 --> 00:47:16.400
Do the work needed to build a bigger building that.

879
00:47:16.320 --> 00:47:19.079
Would meet the needs of the school in which he attended,

880
00:47:19.519 --> 00:47:21.679
God said, this is a big deal.

881
00:47:22.480 --> 00:47:22.880
This is.

882
00:47:25.000 --> 00:47:31.360
Wow, this is contextually consistent. It's making good observation with

883
00:47:31.400 --> 00:47:35.320
what comes before. It's acknowledging that in the if you

884
00:47:35.400 --> 00:47:38.079
look at the flow of the narrative right all of

885
00:47:38.079 --> 00:47:40.960
the other parts, they seem to be these really bigger issues,

886
00:47:41.800 --> 00:47:45.639
and this seems much more insignificant compared to the things

887
00:47:45.679 --> 00:47:51.320
that come before. That's a man alive. This is refreshing.

888
00:47:51.639 --> 00:47:56.000
This is like whoa after whatever the last thing was.

889
00:47:56.440 --> 00:47:58.519
So I don't even know if he's gonna maybe he's

890
00:47:58.599 --> 00:48:02.639
just going to completely stay away from the symbolic and

891
00:48:02.679 --> 00:48:07.360
the spiritualizing it is that this is really good. All right,

892
00:48:07.559 --> 00:48:08.400
let's see what happens.

893
00:48:09.559 --> 00:48:12.039
That's a big deal. This is something that needs to

894
00:48:12.079 --> 00:48:15.280
be brought attention to. And I also like the fact

895
00:48:15.400 --> 00:48:19.559
that Elisha took it as a big deal. And Elisha

896
00:48:19.719 --> 00:48:23.320
understood that this young man needed to see God work

897
00:48:23.360 --> 00:48:26.440
in his life, just like the woman who needed to

898
00:48:26.440 --> 00:48:29.880
see her sons not to be sold into slavery and

899
00:48:30.039 --> 00:48:33.880
naming and being cured of leprosy, or or the food

900
00:48:33.960 --> 00:48:36.960
shortages in the school of the Prophets, or the death

901
00:48:36.960 --> 00:48:39.960
and the pot and all that that meant God. God

902
00:48:40.000 --> 00:48:42.840
wants to meet all of our needs. God wants to

903
00:48:42.880 --> 00:48:47.079
see God wants us to see Him in our life,

904
00:48:47.440 --> 00:48:49.159
no matter what the situation.

905
00:48:49.679 --> 00:48:51.079
So you understand here.

906
00:48:51.119 --> 00:48:54.440
According to the story, that this man had gone out

907
00:48:54.519 --> 00:48:57.800
and borrowed an axe head because he wanted to be

908
00:48:57.880 --> 00:49:00.960
involved in the construction project. Now, let me just make

909
00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:04.840
sure that you understand this. If your dad has tools

910
00:49:04.840 --> 00:49:07.000
and you use them, go back put them back where

911
00:49:07.000 --> 00:49:07.480
they belong.

912
00:49:08.480 --> 00:49:10.800
All right, that's a big deal. I don't have a.

913
00:49:10.760 --> 00:49:13.280
Toolbox, but my wife doesn't, so I always try to

914
00:49:13.320 --> 00:49:16.119
take things back where she'll know where they're at. You

915
00:49:16.159 --> 00:49:20.480
understand what I'm saying. Why do I need to fix anything?

916
00:49:20.519 --> 00:49:26.639
That's why I have tj Amen. So we need to

917
00:49:26.719 --> 00:49:31.159
understand tonight that in the life of this person, God

918
00:49:31.199 --> 00:49:35.480
wanted us to understand that just like God was interested

919
00:49:35.519 --> 00:49:39.000
in Nayman's life, he's already he's also interested in this

920
00:49:39.039 --> 00:49:42.760
young man's life. Now here's what you need to understand tonight.

921
00:49:42.800 --> 00:49:46.360
Your situation doesn't have to be headline.

922
00:49:45.920 --> 00:49:48.400
News for God to be interested.

923
00:49:49.280 --> 00:49:52.639
God wants us to call upon Him in any situation.

924
00:49:52.800 --> 00:49:53.880
Where we may need help.

925
00:49:53.880 --> 00:49:56.559
Now, I'm not here to pray preach about prayer tonight.

926
00:49:56.639 --> 00:49:58.679
I've done that a couple of weeks ago, and the

927
00:49:59.199 --> 00:50:03.400
model prayer and the asking and seeking and knocking. But

928
00:50:03.480 --> 00:50:06.440
I want you to understand. Yes, there are aspects of prayer,

929
00:50:06.599 --> 00:50:09.679
like praising the Lord and worshiping him, but you know

930
00:50:09.719 --> 00:50:14.079
that prayer comes down to asking God and seeking for

931
00:50:14.159 --> 00:50:16.599
God to do it and knocking on God's door.

932
00:50:17.079 --> 00:50:19.599
I like Philippians for six and here says this, be

933
00:50:19.880 --> 00:50:20.880
careful for.

934
00:50:20.760 --> 00:50:27.079
Nothing, but in everything, by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving,

935
00:50:27.679 --> 00:50:29.360
let your request.

936
00:50:29.159 --> 00:50:31.480
Be made known unto God.

937
00:50:32.159 --> 00:50:35.599
Now I love it that Elisha was interested in those

938
00:50:35.639 --> 00:50:37.119
that were training for the ministry.

939
00:50:37.199 --> 00:50:38.559
I have to let you know that I.

940
00:50:38.559 --> 00:50:43.440
Have always since God called me into preach, that different

941
00:50:43.599 --> 00:50:47.880
men took an interest in me and helped me along

942
00:50:47.960 --> 00:50:50.960
the way to get me to be where I needed

943
00:50:50.960 --> 00:50:53.719
to be. And those that were willing to allow me

944
00:50:53.920 --> 00:50:56.440
to call them and ask questions.

945
00:50:56.480 --> 00:50:59.719
Listen, listen. Now I'm the old man receiving all.

946
00:50:59.639 --> 00:51:03.559
The phone calls and the question and that's okay because

947
00:51:03.719 --> 00:51:07.840
I am interested in helping people to go to the

948
00:51:07.840 --> 00:51:10.559
next point in their life where they won't just be

949
00:51:10.679 --> 00:51:13.360
where they're at, where they'll be the leader. They won't

950
00:51:13.400 --> 00:51:15.960
just be the follower, but where there'll be the leader.

951
00:51:15.960 --> 00:51:20.400
And Elisha understood that this young man one day would

952
00:51:20.440 --> 00:51:24.360
be a prophet because he's in the school of the Prophets,

953
00:51:25.280 --> 00:51:28.440
and therefore Elisha was interested in him. And here's what

954
00:51:28.480 --> 00:51:31.440
I want to say to the church tonight. Personally, I

955
00:51:31.519 --> 00:51:35.440
think our church should be interested in those who are

956
00:51:35.519 --> 00:51:39.639
preparing for the ministry, because I think that we need

957
00:51:39.679 --> 00:51:42.679
to understand that not only do they need a mentor

958
00:51:42.719 --> 00:51:45.559
a pastor but to show them the way, but they

959
00:51:45.599 --> 00:51:49.199
all seem need a church to let them know what

960
00:51:49.320 --> 00:51:52.400
it should be like when they get in the ministry

961
00:51:52.639 --> 00:51:55.360
and they are the pastor or they are whatever it is.

962
00:51:56.119 --> 00:52:00.159
We need to be interested in those people, in those

963
00:52:00.199 --> 00:52:00.639
young men.

964
00:52:03.000 --> 00:52:05.719
That's a I think that's a fair application. He's not

965
00:52:05.760 --> 00:52:09.199
saying this represents this, this represents this. He's just saying, hey,

966
00:52:09.639 --> 00:52:14.159
Elijah takes interest here. Well, there's men who are feel

967
00:52:14.199 --> 00:52:16.559
called to the ministry trying to go into ministry, and

968
00:52:16.599 --> 00:52:18.559
the church should take an interest. I think that that's

969
00:52:18.559 --> 00:52:21.679
a clear application. I don't think you're doing any that.

970
00:52:21.760 --> 00:52:26.440
This is very this is very level headed and normal and.

971
00:52:29.280 --> 00:52:29.719
I I.

972
00:52:31.559 --> 00:52:33.800
Yeah, I mean he's staying very consistent with this is

973
00:52:33.800 --> 00:52:36.559
a real acxeent. This is let's we'll go just a

974
00:52:36.599 --> 00:52:39.400
little bit further. This may be the sermon that can

975
00:52:39.639 --> 00:52:43.519
really be a good a good foundational one. And as

976
00:52:43.920 --> 00:52:49.119
as you're listening to any others on this subject, and.

977
00:52:49.079 --> 00:52:51.840
There and and uh and by the way, those who

978
00:52:51.840 --> 00:52:55.559
have already gone out from us, we need to make

979
00:52:55.599 --> 00:52:59.280
sure that we make contact with them, remind them that

980
00:52:59.320 --> 00:53:00.239
we're praying for them.

981
00:53:00.239 --> 00:53:03.920
Now I'm talking about our missionaries. I'm talking about preachers.

982
00:53:03.440 --> 00:53:06.920
Who have left, and they need to be encouraged. They

983
00:53:06.920 --> 00:53:09.719
need to know that there's a church that sent them

984
00:53:09.800 --> 00:53:13.840
out that is still interested in them. Therefore, I believe

985
00:53:13.880 --> 00:53:16.159
we need to be involved in their lives as much

986
00:53:16.199 --> 00:53:19.440
as God allows. I believe their training not only needs

987
00:53:19.440 --> 00:53:22.320
to come from their pastor, but it also needs.

988
00:53:22.079 --> 00:53:23.400
To come from their church.

989
00:53:23.760 --> 00:53:26.440
A young man in training not only needs instruction from

990
00:53:26.480 --> 00:53:30.719
his preacher, but he needs to see a church that.

991
00:53:30.800 --> 00:53:33.679
Is living out the ministry.

992
00:53:33.800 --> 00:53:35.880
Now, I want to say, unfortunately, in the church that

993
00:53:35.920 --> 00:53:39.320
I was saved in in San Antonio, Texas, I learned

994
00:53:39.400 --> 00:53:42.760
much about what not to do, meaning.

995
00:53:42.519 --> 00:53:46.000
I learned some negative things that that's not the way

996
00:53:46.079 --> 00:53:46.960
it should be.

997
00:53:47.400 --> 00:53:50.840
And then I came to Brian Baptist Church, and God

998
00:53:50.880 --> 00:53:54.320
brought us here to this place so that I could

999
00:53:54.360 --> 00:53:58.519
be instructed more perfectly in the way on how things

1000
00:53:58.519 --> 00:54:02.840
should be. And so listen if you if you don't

1001
00:54:02.960 --> 00:54:06.000
like the way I do things, here's what you better understand.

1002
00:54:06.039 --> 00:54:09.840
I got all my training right here, and I love

1003
00:54:09.920 --> 00:54:13.599
the history of our church, and I love the idea

1004
00:54:13.639 --> 00:54:16.719
that our church is pretty much the same now as

1005
00:54:16.719 --> 00:54:17.639
it's always been.

1006
00:54:18.800 --> 00:54:20.280
We haven't changed any doctrines.

1007
00:54:21.480 --> 00:54:26.239
We might carry an iPhone, we might, we might have

1008
00:54:26.519 --> 00:54:30.800
different things like that, but as far as the way

1009
00:54:30.840 --> 00:54:33.920
we conduct ministry and the songs that we sing, and

1010
00:54:33.960 --> 00:54:38.039
the philosophy that we have and the preaching that is preeminent,

1011
00:54:38.199 --> 00:54:40.239
and the music that is prima.

1012
00:54:40.199 --> 00:54:43.679
Hey, that's that's the way it's always been. How many times.

1013
00:54:43.360 --> 00:54:46.519
Did I hear our pastor, Brother Gray set here and

1014
00:54:46.599 --> 00:54:50.159
talk about the different choirs that were being taught at

1015
00:54:50.199 --> 00:54:50.719
that time.

1016
00:54:54.119 --> 00:54:57.800
Now, the only danger here, and I'm just gonna and

1017
00:54:57.880 --> 00:54:59.880
I'm gonna state this danger because I do I can

1018
00:54:59.880 --> 00:55:01.840
do the same thing and have done it many times.

1019
00:55:02.400 --> 00:55:06.199
You're drawing an application, right, So he's done very good

1020
00:55:06.239 --> 00:55:08.360
with the text. Now, he could have gone back and

1021
00:55:08.719 --> 00:55:14.480
and cited certain verses to build the context, but okay,

1022
00:55:14.480 --> 00:55:16.960
he made reference to it. He didn't give us the references,

1023
00:55:16.960 --> 00:55:19.599
but that's okay, we get the basic understanding. He's been

1024
00:55:19.760 --> 00:55:22.960
very consistent. He's not doing anything, but he's kind of

1025
00:55:23.000 --> 00:55:26.000
gone into application. Now I can do the same thing,

1026
00:55:26.039 --> 00:55:29.079
and this is always a danger. Sometimes you can just

1027
00:55:29.199 --> 00:55:31.639
kind of depart from the text and then just go

1028
00:55:31.840 --> 00:55:35.000
so much into application that you really you've kind of

1029
00:55:35.039 --> 00:55:38.480
abandoned the text. Now I'm not saying he has, because

1030
00:55:38.480 --> 00:55:41.840
it's got a lot of sermon left, but you're kind

1031
00:55:41.840 --> 00:55:43.679
of like, we get the idea, we get the idea,

1032
00:55:43.679 --> 00:55:47.480
but he's really doubling down on the idea. That's okay.

1033
00:55:48.599 --> 00:55:51.400
But if you're not careful, then we're going to leave

1034
00:55:51.440 --> 00:55:53.960
the text and people won't remember the text, will remember

1035
00:55:53.960 --> 00:55:58.199
the application. And again, that can just be stylistic approach.

1036
00:55:58.440 --> 00:56:01.280
But at least this is much more. I mean, I'm

1037
00:56:01.280 --> 00:56:04.800
not even criticizing it. I'm just acknowledging that I sometimes

1038
00:56:04.840 --> 00:56:07.000
afterwards wild feel like, well, you know, I kind of

1039
00:56:07.000 --> 00:56:10.400
went so much into application on that point. I really

1040
00:56:10.960 --> 00:56:13.800
just went all in on that, and I can kind

1041
00:56:13.800 --> 00:56:18.639
of look back and go, well, so let's hope he

1042
00:56:18.920 --> 00:56:20.840
gets back to the text here relatively quick.

1043
00:56:23.239 --> 00:56:26.800
I would I saw my kids now I'm seeing my grandkids.

1044
00:56:27.280 --> 00:56:31.239
Go through the cherubs and the junior choir, and I

1045
00:56:31.280 --> 00:56:33.800
saw my kids do that, and he would sit over here.

1046
00:56:33.920 --> 00:56:37.239
We have graded choirs and now they're singing in the

1047
00:56:37.239 --> 00:56:37.760
big choir.

1048
00:56:38.960 --> 00:56:41.880
You know what that's all about. That's training. Let's to

1049
00:56:41.880 --> 00:56:44.960
get us to a place. This is the future of

1050
00:56:45.079 --> 00:56:46.559
Marion Baptist Church.

1051
00:56:47.360 --> 00:56:50.960
And the reason that I send y'all an Andy's ice

1052
00:56:51.039 --> 00:56:54.440
cream card each and every year for your birthday is

1053
00:56:54.519 --> 00:56:56.400
I don't know which one of you might be my

1054
00:56:56.480 --> 00:56:59.920
boss one day, so I want to cover my basic

1055
00:57:02.119 --> 00:57:04.719
And they'll say, I remember when the old man used

1056
00:57:04.760 --> 00:57:05.760
to send us Andy's.

1057
00:57:06.920 --> 00:57:09.000
Somebody go over there and wipe the drool off. Oh

1058
00:57:09.039 --> 00:57:10.159
any whatever. I'm just saying.

1059
00:57:11.840 --> 00:57:15.760
But see, I'm telling you that they need to be trained.

1060
00:57:17.159 --> 00:57:19.119
They need to see a right church, they need to

1061
00:57:19.119 --> 00:57:22.400
see the right kind of preacher. And I'm telling you,

1062
00:57:22.880 --> 00:57:26.639
I hate it sometimes when young men have to say, well,

1063
00:57:26.960 --> 00:57:29.119
this is what I learned from my church. I learn

1064
00:57:29.159 --> 00:57:31.639
how not to do things. And that's the way it

1065
00:57:31.679 --> 00:57:34.159
was for me in the beginning. And I know other

1066
00:57:34.239 --> 00:57:36.639
men like that. But you know, what guys are looking

1067
00:57:36.679 --> 00:57:41.760
for how things should be. People in training are not

1068
00:57:41.880 --> 00:57:44.760
looking for things how it shouldn't be. They're looking for

1069
00:57:44.800 --> 00:57:47.559
things how it should be. And then I'll go ahead

1070
00:57:47.599 --> 00:57:49.519
and do my speech tonight. Not only do we have

1071
00:57:49.559 --> 00:57:52.599
the opportunity of our men who have gone out of

1072
00:57:52.599 --> 00:57:55.280
our church and trained for the ministry, but we're also

1073
00:57:55.400 --> 00:57:59.039
involved in Heartland and we have four hundred and eighty

1074
00:57:59.320 --> 00:58:01.719
I think that that are there. We've got some of

1075
00:58:01.840 --> 00:58:04.320
kids out of our church, some young people out of

1076
00:58:04.400 --> 00:58:06.239
our church that are there right now.

1077
00:58:06.559 --> 00:58:07.639
And what are they doing.

1078
00:58:07.719 --> 00:58:11.440
They are training one way or another for the ministry.

1079
00:58:11.840 --> 00:58:15.440
And just like my daughter did not go to Heartland

1080
00:58:15.480 --> 00:58:18.440
to be a preacher, but she learned some things that

1081
00:58:18.480 --> 00:58:21.440
she could use in a church setting when she came

1082
00:58:21.480 --> 00:58:24.679
back home. Somebody say, Amen, and we have to be

1083
00:58:24.920 --> 00:58:27.159
I want to remind us at this point that we

1084
00:58:27.239 --> 00:58:30.960
have the opportunity to support over four hundred and fifty

1085
00:58:31.320 --> 00:58:34.320
young people's servants are in the school of the profits

1086
00:58:34.320 --> 00:58:37.599
of the ministry, and I'm telling you they need to

1087
00:58:37.639 --> 00:58:41.480
see God work in their life at Heartland, just like

1088
00:58:41.599 --> 00:58:44.480
our young people need to see God work in their life.

1089
00:58:44.840 --> 00:58:46.440
And that's why we go to camp, and.

1090
00:58:46.400 --> 00:58:48.920
That's why we have vacation of Bible School, and that's

1091
00:58:48.920 --> 00:58:51.800
why we go to youth cod why because God wants

1092
00:58:51.800 --> 00:58:54.119
to work in their life, but they need to see

1093
00:58:54.119 --> 00:58:59.199
it right here every week. And here's a young man

1094
00:58:59.280 --> 00:59:02.280
that's training for the ministry and he wants to be

1095
00:59:02.320 --> 00:59:05.719
involved in the work and he goes and borrows the

1096
00:59:05.960 --> 00:59:10.920
axe head because he don't have one. Speaking of that,

1097
00:59:11.079 --> 00:59:13.039
do you still have that saw that you cut your

1098
00:59:13.039 --> 00:59:16.360
trees down with? I told my wife I hate to

1099
00:59:16.400 --> 00:59:17.960
do it from the pullbit, but can I borrow that

1100
00:59:18.000 --> 00:59:18.599
thing sometime?

1101
00:59:20.400 --> 00:59:23.280
Because I don't have one? Brother? All right? Can I

1102
00:59:23.320 --> 00:59:24.320
borrow your axe head?

1103
00:59:24.440 --> 00:59:24.760
I want?

1104
00:59:25.719 --> 00:59:28.559
And Yoka will show me how to use it. Do

1105
00:59:28.559 --> 00:59:30.039
you know we might as well just cut out the

1106
00:59:30.039 --> 00:59:32.679
middle man. How about Yoka shows Robin how to use it?

1107
00:59:33.440 --> 00:59:38.639
You come over to my house and I don't think

1108
00:59:38.679 --> 00:59:39.559
that's a good example.

1109
00:59:39.559 --> 00:59:40.639
All right, let's don't do that.

1110
00:59:42.719 --> 00:59:45.000
You know what, Elisha had a great investment in the

1111
00:59:45.000 --> 00:59:48.880
profits that were in training. Remember when the woman came

1112
00:59:48.920 --> 00:59:50.719
to him and said, you know, my husband, he was

1113
00:59:50.719 --> 00:59:55.039
a good man and he was serving in the school

1114
00:59:55.119 --> 00:59:58.239
of the Prophets, and now he's dead, and you know what?

1115
00:59:58.360 --> 00:59:59.920
And God said, what hast thou?

1116
01:00:00.840 --> 01:00:02.639
What do you want me to do? And what has

1117
01:00:02.800 --> 01:00:05.679
now in the house. And if you'll remember when I.

1118
01:00:05.639 --> 01:00:10.280
Preached that, the whole idea was that Elisha says to God,

1119
01:00:10.440 --> 01:00:13.760
how can we show this woman God? How can you

1120
01:00:13.960 --> 01:00:17.199
use me to show this woman that God is real?

1121
01:00:17.719 --> 01:00:20.679
And I guarantee you that woman served God. I would

1122
01:00:20.760 --> 01:00:23.079
have to assume all the days of her life because

1123
01:00:23.440 --> 01:00:26.360
of what God did in her life. Now in the

1124
01:00:26.400 --> 01:00:30.679
same way, in the same way, this young man is

1125
01:00:30.719 --> 01:00:35.559
going to see an iron axe head swim and he's

1126
01:00:35.599 --> 01:00:38.800
never going to forget it. I go back to my

1127
01:00:38.920 --> 01:00:42.800
own life and going through college and going through different things,

1128
01:00:42.840 --> 01:00:46.599
and watching God work in the life of our family

1129
01:00:47.039 --> 01:00:50.039
for different things. God showed us at the right time,

1130
01:00:50.280 --> 01:00:54.119
use different people. It's just I mean, and many of

1131
01:00:54.119 --> 01:00:55.920
those people are in this room tonight.

1132
01:00:58.840 --> 01:01:02.639
Now, Hey, maybe going you know, way into this application part.

1133
01:01:02.960 --> 01:01:05.480
But at least he's not He's not coming saying the

1134
01:01:05.519 --> 01:01:08.360
axe represents this, or the axe head represents that, or

1135
01:01:08.559 --> 01:01:11.639
he's not doing any of that. He's like an actual

1136
01:01:11.679 --> 01:01:15.000
axhead actually fell in the water and actually was made

1137
01:01:15.000 --> 01:01:17.599
to float. And so here are some lessons we can

1138
01:01:17.679 --> 01:01:21.320
learn from it. Right, So now, I don't know if

1139
01:01:21.360 --> 01:01:24.119
he's gonna deviate at any point we're already at an hour.

1140
01:01:24.280 --> 01:01:26.440
So so this one is much better.

1141
01:01:26.480 --> 01:01:30.519
This one is called a lost Axehead Jeffrey A b

1142
01:01:30.960 --> 01:01:32.000
l E. S What is that?

1143
01:01:32.079 --> 01:01:32.320
Able?

1144
01:01:32.400 --> 01:01:34.480
Ablest able ablest.

1145
01:01:33.920 --> 01:01:35.280
I don't know how you say his last name?

1146
01:01:35.519 --> 01:01:36.000
Ables?

1147
01:01:36.039 --> 01:01:38.480
I don't know, So you can you can look it

1148
01:01:38.559 --> 01:01:43.000
up A lost axehead Jeffrey A b l E s Uh,

1149
01:01:43.039 --> 01:01:45.559
And you can. You can finish the rest. We'll listen

1150
01:01:45.559 --> 01:01:46.880
to just a little bit more and try to come

1151
01:01:46.920 --> 01:01:49.920
to a stopping point. But at least it's somewhat refreshing.

1152
01:01:50.360 --> 01:01:52.880
This is like a but just note, this is a

1153
01:01:53.000 --> 01:01:55.239
million times different than what we just heard.

1154
01:01:56.320 --> 01:02:00.760
We've we've heard two pastors approach this text, not even

1155
01:02:00.800 --> 01:02:05.400
in the same universe, clearly not following the same hermoneutical principles,

1156
01:02:06.000 --> 01:02:11.320
radically different conclusions, but one text and the people in

1157
01:02:11.360 --> 01:02:13.199
the pew are supposed to know what to do with

1158
01:02:13.239 --> 01:02:17.199
the text. How if pastors can't even agree on the text.

1159
01:02:19.880 --> 01:02:23.199
That God used in our life to show us that

1160
01:02:23.239 --> 01:02:27.159
He's in control. And Elisha had a great investment in

1161
01:02:27.199 --> 01:02:31.199
those prophets, and I want to thank you as individuals

1162
01:02:31.320 --> 01:02:33.840
in this church, and you know who you are that

1163
01:02:33.960 --> 01:02:37.559
has made investments in the young men who have gone

1164
01:02:37.599 --> 01:02:40.519
through our church and were still going through it, and

1165
01:02:40.559 --> 01:02:43.440
you're investing in them so that they can do the

1166
01:02:43.480 --> 01:02:45.840
work of the ministry. And you know what they need

1167
01:02:45.840 --> 01:02:48.360
to see. They need to see an axe head swim.

1168
01:02:49.400 --> 01:02:51.880
And if God can use a swimming axe head to

1169
01:02:51.920 --> 01:02:55.159
show his power, then that's okay for me, it's okay

1170
01:02:55.159 --> 01:02:58.400
for Elisha, and it's okay for the profit in training.

1171
01:02:59.840 --> 01:03:03.000
God wants us all to understand he can do things

1172
01:03:03.840 --> 01:03:08.119
nobody else can do. The greatest and the sweetest of

1173
01:03:08.199 --> 01:03:12.079
all prairie quest are those that you take into the

1174
01:03:12.119 --> 01:03:16.880
closet by yourself, and you beg God, and you seek,

1175
01:03:16.960 --> 01:03:21.079
and you ask, and you knock and youbody. Nobody else

1176
01:03:21.159 --> 01:03:24.280
knows anything about it except you and God. And then

1177
01:03:24.400 --> 01:03:27.360
all of a sudden, God, God uses somebody, or God

1178
01:03:27.480 --> 01:03:31.360
uses some circumstances to answer your prayer.

1179
01:03:31.440 --> 01:03:33.519
And God is so good.

1180
01:03:33.920 --> 01:03:38.000
And he said to a life show mister, it's a

1181
01:03:38.119 --> 01:03:43.320
borrowed axe head. I'm gonna be in dead meat because

1182
01:03:43.360 --> 01:03:48.440
I borrowed it from a Jew. I'm not being I'm

1183
01:03:48.480 --> 01:03:50.760
just saying I borrowed it from somebody.

1184
01:03:53.760 --> 01:03:55.119
I borrowed it from a Jew.

1185
01:03:59.400 --> 01:04:05.400
Okay, not I don't. Okay, all right, well we'll just

1186
01:04:05.440 --> 01:04:09.000
go past what Okay, all right, everything was going so good.

1187
01:04:09.320 --> 01:04:11.559
We're gonna wrap this up before he gets bad because

1188
01:04:11.559 --> 01:04:14.920
I don't know what what was? Are you borrowing from

1189
01:04:14.960 --> 01:04:17.760
some kind of Jewish stereo type?

1190
01:04:17.800 --> 01:04:18.400
Here? Like?

1191
01:04:18.519 --> 01:04:19.440
What was that?

1192
01:04:22.519 --> 01:04:27.519
Don't belong to me? Where did it fall? Right there?

1193
01:04:28.400 --> 01:04:29.559
And the iron.

1194
01:04:30.719 --> 01:04:35.280
Did swim and he took it up, and he put

1195
01:04:35.280 --> 01:04:38.880
it in his hand and he took it. And I

1196
01:04:38.960 --> 01:04:41.039
won't say it again that young people today need to

1197
01:04:41.079 --> 01:04:44.840
see and experience the hand of God in their own life.

1198
01:04:45.159 --> 01:04:47.199
They need to see that God is concerned not only

1199
01:04:47.239 --> 01:04:50.239
about the big things but the little things.

1200
01:04:51.760 --> 01:04:55.599
Okay, Other than that weird comment, I'm dead meat because

1201
01:04:55.599 --> 01:05:00.559
I borrowed it from a jew. Okay, we won't even

1202
01:05:00.599 --> 01:05:01.320
I don't even.

1203
01:05:01.119 --> 01:05:01.880
Know what that was.

1204
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But everything else here has been at least based off

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the text, observational and then application I think has been

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fair and consistent with the text, much better than what

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we have heard. Again, this is called a lost axe

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head Jeffrey, last name A. B. L. E. S. You

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can find it on the sermon's two point Oh app

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there's only maybe I don't know, ten minutes left in it,

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fifteen minutes left in it, you can go listen to

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the rest and that at least that I mean, I

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still don't understand that comment, but okay, we can at

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least leave it there and be like, okay, this is

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This at least shows you the contrast of handling the

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text more based on the actual text. Yet you can

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still do application and it remains somewhat fairly consistent with it.

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Or you may say the application may have went a

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little too far, a little too much, maybe you know,

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but yeah, and maybe the reason he's going more application

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is because there's what I mean. Unless you just start

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allegorizing and spiritualizing the text, you just basically have a

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story of.

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The axe Head.

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You know, I'm saying, like you know, you unless you

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start making everything mean something, it's pretty straightforward. So you

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spend more time with the application, you could see why.

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All right, we'll stop right there. Hopefully that kind of

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brings our discussion of the Act Sad to some kind

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of conclusion, and we will see we still got other

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I mean, we got other things to do. We'll work on.

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I don't know how much I'm going to be able

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to do tomorrow, but if we get a chance, we'll

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move to who knows where we'll end up tomorrow. We'll

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find out then in the meantime, Second Kings chapter six

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versus one through seven. And I think the other passage

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I've had everyone working on this week and looking up

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sermons is, yeah, Second King's chapter fifteen, Azarayah, Zechariah, Shalom

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and Menehem and Pekanayah. Yeah, those are kings and you're

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supposed to be looking up sermons on that, and that

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all came from that message that we did on he

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felt the King that fell a little bit. So yeah,

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so it's been kind of a Second King's kind of weeks,

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kind of what it's turned into. So Second King six

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one through seven, Second Kings fifteen, And for the sermons

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two point oh op challenge, you just start choosing some

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random sermons on that and well see what you find.

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Thanks for listening everyone, have a great evening.

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God bless