Modernism and Formalism

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want to do is focus on just
simply taking a few minutes to familiarize yourself

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with two very important terms, two
very important terms in church history, right,

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two very important terms. In fact, I probably know more about the

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first one than the second one,
but I want to bring them to your

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attention, and then maybe later when
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then maybe I will come back.
And then we'll do. Maybe this will

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turn into a mini series. We
will see the first one I've talked about

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so many times. But here's what
happens. So, as many of you

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know I've been I have a series
currently that we're talking and discussing revival based

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off one of the latest issues of
the sort of the Lord newspaper right now.

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We started it and the article became
very frustrating, taking verses out of

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context, misapplied. But okay,
all right. So I was like,

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I was sitting here thinking, well, maybe I turn on the microphone and

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we do a little bit more work, you know, in that series.

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But then I'm like, wait,
what is this? So on page eighteen

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and this issue of the Sword of
Lord newspaper, it is the section called

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Questions and Questions Answered Doctor Shelton Smith, and the question is what is modernism,

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worldliness and formalism? And I'm like, ohoh, three very important terms,

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modernism, worldliness, and formalism.
All three of them could really become

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a series. We could do an
entire series on modernism, entire series on

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worldliness, and an entire series on
formalism. And we have some interesting discussions,

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I think, but I wanted to
just take a few minutes between while

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there's no live webcast going on,
before the next one starts. Wish up.

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I believe it's at the top of
the hour. I want to make

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sure that you are very familiar and
know what modernism is and formalism is.

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We'll get to worldliness at another broadcast. Are you ready? So I'm gonna

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just read how it's written here the
sort of the Lord Newspaper. Are you

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ready? Here we go. Every
once in a while I get questioned,

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I will get a question about our
position as stated on the mash head of

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the newspaper, modernism masthead of the
newspaper. If I can read correctly,

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modernism, worldliness, and formalism,
Doctor Rice listed those matters on the front

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of the sword many years ago in
order to help define exactly what the sword

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was about. Now, if I
remember correctly, I'm going to look at

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the front of the paper. Yeah, yeah, right here. If I

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look at the front of the paper, what they call the masthead. If

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I look at there in front of
it, it says the sword of the

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Lord Newspaper, an independent Christian publication
standing for the verbal inspiration of the Bible,

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the deity of Christ, his Blood, Atonement, salvation by faith,

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New Testament, so winning and the
premillennial return of Christ. Opposing modernism,

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worldliness and formalism. It's right there
at the front of the paper. Three

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and those terms are very very important
for you to understand, all right.

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So so he gets questions sometimes and
they get letters at the sord of the

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Lord. Hey, what about these
three things? He goes on to say,

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each of these three words describes certain
things which we feel are unbiblical.

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So they feel modernism, formalism,
and worldliness are all unbiblical. Okay,

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I think we should all be able
to say amen to that. We should

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all be able to say amen to
that. So let's start with the first

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one. Let's go with modernism,
right, Let's at least try to offer

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a basic understanding of this term.
More importantly, when you think of the

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term modernism, you actually need to
think of about a controversy that happened in

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the nineteen hundreds, which is very
instrumental to understanding modern day church history.

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Are you ready? Here we go? Modernism a term that was coined back

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in the early part of the last
century to describe what we now call liberalism.

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Now, I'm just gonna be honest
with you. I don't like the

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term liberalism used in theology, right, because when we hear the term liberalism

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now, it almost carries a political
connotation. So I don't think churches.

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When churches say we are opposed to
liberalism, almost inevitably they're referring to political

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liberalism. When so I don't like
using the term in theilological language, right.

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I don't like it because it doesn't
carry theological liberalism. It carries the

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idea of political liberalism. And then
when many Christians say we are a conservative

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church, and in some cases,
I don't think it really reflects a theilological

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conservativism. It reflects a political one. And that's the political infiltration in the

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political corruption of the American church.
It's even corrupted our language. Right,

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So I don't like the term liberalism. Modernism holds a very specific meaning in

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the history of philological disputes. So
I know now we call it liberalism,

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but I think we should just use
the term modernism because or you have to

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say philological liberalism, right, because
I don't want to be I don't I

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don't want to be known as being
politically conservative. I don't want to be

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I want to be known as being
philologically conservative. I want to be understood

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from a philological perspective, not a
political or cultural perspective. Right, so

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let's continue. Modernism was a term
that was coined back in the early part

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of the last century to describe what
we would now call liberalism. The Modernist

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fundamentalist controversy of the nineteen ten to
nineteen thirty era was a full orbed clash

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between Bible believers and those who want
to and to diminish the Bible and favor

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of their own agenda. Now,
that's what I really want you to know.

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The Modernist Fundamentalist controversy nineteen ten to
nineteen thirty. That controversy every Christian

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should know it, every Christian should
be an expert. And the modernist fundamentalist

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controversy between nineteen ten and nineteen thirty. Now, if you've listened to our

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series on the Niagara Creed, right, the Niagara Bible Creed. That very

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much coming out of that controversy,
very much. The Niagara, the Niagara

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Creed, the Niagara Bible Conference,
that four volume set of books called The

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Fundamentals, all of that comes right
out of this controversy. And I have

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told I have begged Christians if you
listen to my preaching, those four books,

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the Fundamentals, They're literally on a
table behind my pulpit. They have

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been there now for years, and
I constantly I will reference them and preaching

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and tell people you need to read
these books. You need to read these

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books. You need to read these
books. You need those books still are

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sitting on the table because no one
ever takes them to read them. I

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cannot. I don't know what to
do to get people to read them.

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Now when people read them, they're
kind of like, well, this is

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kind of, you know, kind
of I don't know. I don't know

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what people are expecting when they read. When they do read them, but

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I think they're somewhat disappointed in the
way, but they're very just dealing with

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the issues that were so fundamental at
that time in this controversy between the modernists

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and fundamentalist, between the modernist and
fundamentalist. All right, so that controversy,

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you need to know that controversy nineteen
ten and nineteen thirty. You need

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to know about the niagraa Bible conference, You need to know about the niagraa

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Bible creed. You need to know
those things and you need to know those

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four volumes fund the fundamental the Fundamentals, because they so define that era,

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and you can kind of see out
of that controversy. You can kind of

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see the different streams of Christianity.
And just think nineteen ten to nineteen thirty,

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there was a lot going on theologically. The nineteen hundred, the nineteen

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hundreds, moving forward, you really
have the birth of the modern day charismatic

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movement. You have the birth of
one is Pentecostalism, all of that happening

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right there in nineteen hundred, and
then you have the modernists and the fundamentalist

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controversy, which is going to break
off into different camps. Right. You're

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going to have the fundamentalists, You're
going to have what's kind of kind of

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become the modern evangelicals. You're going
to have the philological what we'll call liberals

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or the philological modernists. You're going
to have the charismatics. It's a crazy

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time in church history. I know
we like to go way back into church

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history, but to really kind of
understand our present situation, I think that

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that nineteen hundred, like nineteen hundred
to nineteen thirty, nineteen hundred to nineteen

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fifty that those fifty I see fifty
years nineteen hundred to nineteen fifty. You

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have some crazy stuff going on theologically, which I think kind of determines and

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kind of kind of well, everything
breaks off into different streams, so I

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think you have to know that,
all right. So you have the modernist

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fundamentalist controversy of nineteen ten to nineteen
thirty era. It was a full orbed

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class between Bible believers and those who
wanted to diminish the Bible in favor of

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their own agenda, whether you use
the term modernism or liberalism. Doctor Rice

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and the sort of the Lord Newspaper
opposed it then, and they oppose it

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now, and they do oppose it
now. Sometimes I think they go a

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little bit more when they're opposing political
liberalism than versus theological liberalism. And sometimes

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they put forth a political conservativism and
versus a theological one, and those are

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different. But please, you have
to if you don't know the this controversy,

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I would love for you to let
me know what you know about it

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or don't know about it, because
then we can we can work on it.

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I've got I've got pages of notes. I can start talking about it.

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Right now, I can start,
I can start breaking down the controversy

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right now. The modern for example, I'm just looking at my notes.

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The modernist fundamentalist controversy was a philological
dispute that took place in the early twentieth

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century with an American Protestant Christianity,
particularly in the United States. Here and

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then here is a summarized outline of
the key points of the controversy. I'm

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not gonna let I'm not gonna tell
you now. I'm not gonna tell you

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now about it. But that's modernism, right, So let me read that

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again. Modernism was a term that
was coined back in the early part of

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the last century to describe what we
would now call liberalism. I hate the

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term liberalism. Let's say this,
modernism describes a philological liberalism that would deny

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the fundamentals of the faith. Okay, this is they're denying the fun fundamentals

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of the faith, philological fundamentals.
I know. Somehow modernism and fundamentalism turns

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into an argument about music and hair
and dress. No, it's about the

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fundamentals of the faith, the inerrancy
of Scripture, the bodily resurrection of Christ,

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the deity of Christ. Right,
Like those very fundamental issues. The

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dating of some of the books of
the Bible. Are they actually prophetic or

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were they written after the fact,
and so they're not really prophecy. Who

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wrote the books? Like the very
important philological issues. Right, So that's

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what modernism is. Think of it. Philological liberalism are just think modernism a

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philological approach that attacks and denies the
fundamentals of the faith, leads leading to

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a great questioning, skepticism and denial
of historical biblical Christianity. Now, what's

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formalism? So there's there's modernism.
What is formalism? Formalism is a term

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that has been coined to describe what
happens in a dead ritualistic type of church.

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When we go to church on Sunday, we believe that there ought to

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be evidence of the delight of the
Lord, and that the Spirit of God

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has given direction to the service.
It has been the practice among dead liberal

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churches to so thoroughly program everything that
one has to check the bulletin to see

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whether to stand or sit, or
what is coming next. Some churches go

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to great extremes on that, and
as a result, the light of life

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go out of it. We are, of course opposed to that formalism.

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Now, we could argue that every
church has some level of formalism, because

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every church has kind of an order
of the way you do things, and

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after a while you get used to
it. We're going to stand on this

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song, we're going to greet after
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here, we're going to do this, We're going to do this. Every

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church has it to some level.
So now, now what some people refer

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to is formalism that's dead or lifeless
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liturgical churches. So I don't know
if we should should we be opposed to

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formalism because I know, even even
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This is the way you do this
is how you do things. Okay,

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we're gonna stand on this, we're
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Ever, I mean, you're following
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ever any change or disruption to that. So to me, it was more

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the charismatic world that criticized the formalism. That was more to me, the

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charismatic world kind of like, no, we need the spirit leading things and

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then it leads to just total anarchy
and chaos. And God is not the

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order that God is not the god
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so he brings order out of chaos. He doesn't bring chaos to order.

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So I don't know about the formalism
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you can make your own determination about
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that is that really an issue?
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really want you to focus on.
So I want you to know two terms

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today modernism. But when it comes
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the modernist fundamentalist controversy of the nineteen
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I think you could probably go a
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think the modernist kind of ideas higher
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Europe prior to nineteen ten, at
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would have to go look at the
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you know, to be exact.
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controversy and what and how, because
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see the modernist movement. Do you
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then I think in many cases within
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how do you respond to these concepts? Do we fight? Do we separate

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ourselves? If seminaries are bringing in
these modernist ideas, do you pull out

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of these seminaries? Do you then
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denomination is being infiltrated by modernism,
do you remove yourself from the from the

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denomination and start independent churches? Well
that's where the whole independent fundamentalist kind of

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idea kind of emerges. Forget the
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local churches. Forget being a part
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no, no, no no,
we'll stay within the denomination and try

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to fight it. We won't.
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to the seminary. We're going to
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the fundamentalist arguments like no, set
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ye separate, We're not going to
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to from the modernists fundamentalists dispute,
and then you break into streams Christianity where

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you have more of the evangelical mindset, not so much fighting trying to find

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ways. Listen, what do we
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work together, Let's still support the
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seminaries. And then the fundamentalists were
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forget the whole seminary, forget the
denominational structure. So you have that

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split. So then in a roundabout
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or the or you know again,
theilological liberalism, the fundamentalist, and then

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you have the evangelicals. Now within
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have is you have those who broke
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fundamentals of the faith. And in
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it kind of fell apart into a
very legalistic like now we're going to argue

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about music and hair and should a
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tie and just all of these It
just started turning into that kind of stuff,

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right, and then you oh,
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lot. I hate to say it. I know they will deny it,

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but I think in many cases some
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They would never not saying like speaking
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of God speaking to us outside of
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some of their ideas about the Holy
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being more influenced by early charismatic concepts
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So you kind of have but really
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you think about coming in the nineteen
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modernism or theological liberalism, you have
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and then you have the charismatics,
and then fundamentalism, of course deteriorates into

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just ridiculousness in many cases, just
fighting over anything. And it's like they

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were gonna they since they started by
separating from others, they just kept separating.

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They just kept we're gonna separate,
We're gonna separate. No, no,

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no, We're we're against this,
We're against this, We're against and

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they just kept more and more and
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kind of like, what is happening
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time in church history. So the
formalism, I don't know. I mean,

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don't you. I would just challenge
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When it comes to formalism, I
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I think you all believe. I
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be some level of formalism, some
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church services to send into utter anarchy. So then so if you are more

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formal with a very definitive liturgy,
when when that because when they criticize,

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well, they have to have a
bulletin to know when to stand up or

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sit down. Hey, even in
fundamentalist churches, people can't just stand up

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at any time, right that people
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People can't just start clapping and raising
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going to be like no, no, no, we don't do that.

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So so they have their own rules. So I don't know about the formalism.

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I don't know. I didn't like
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know. I think there's there's a
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a liturgical basis, does does that
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Does formalism is? Formal? Is
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zeal? Because I think in many
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for their passion and zeal and their
lack of formalism. But does all that

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suppose that passion and zel really mean
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people are just doing what's expected of
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in a liturgy. People do what's
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yell shout. I know people I've
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no more spiritual than anybody else,
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life did not necessarily translate to anything. And I've known people who go to

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quote unquote dead cold formalism who seem
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to God. And there are so
I don't think you can. I don't

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like the I don't like the criticism
of formalism. I'm I don't like that

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the sort of the Lord may be
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they expect some level of formalism even
in their own churches. So I don't

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know about the modernism that I'm fascinated
by how it led to kind of the

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modern day Christianity. I think what
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I'm overstating the historical significance, but
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modern Christianity can be literally traced back
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it breaks off into into streams now. I think the only thing that would

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be missing if you want to understand
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the origins of modern day charismatic charismatic
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think that there's there's there's modern day
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you can, and if you kind
of look at it, fundamentalism is clearly

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lost a lot of its power and
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there's any way to get around that. It's had it, It had its

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heyday, and it seems to be
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That's my own feelings. You may
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own feelings. The evangelical modern Church
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We had the now we could talk
about the research, the resurgence of

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reform theology. There was that time
where the young, restless and reformed movement

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happened. But I think that's kind
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kind of to see where we are. We have kind of the I think

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we have the we have the I
don't know if you've ever been in an

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area where there, you know,
there's a creek or a river and it's

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kind of dried up. It doesn't
look like it used to used to be

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flowing, you know, powerful rapids, and now you're kind of like,

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well, what has happened? I
think now we see a lot of these

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streams of Christianity that are just kind
of they look kind of dried up rivers.

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look the same. And I think
that's kind of like where are we now?

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Like what is emerging now? I
think now we're emerging again. We

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definitely have the political philological hybrid that's
a mutated version of something Okay, we

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definitely have that. We still have
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know, you know, go along
to get along, peaceful loving, not

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so much wanting to fight. I
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don't. I just think more people
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So we get trying to figure out
where that that river kind of branches

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off. I think I think that
the politically corrupted churches. I focus on

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the on the ones on the right, on the conservative churches, because the

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reason I focus on them is because
the conservative churches usually have a somewhat sound

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doctrinal statement, right, So you
get very upset when you have a church

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that has a sound doctrinal statement but
becomes corrupted by politics, and then they

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they they they create this mutated monster. The liberal churches that become infiltrated by

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politics, they're they are they are
liberal theologically, so they've already denied the

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fundamentals of the faith. So I
don't really care if they get corrupted by

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politics. In fact, I would
expect them to get corrupted by politics,

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because they've denied the fundamentals of the
faith. They've got to have something else

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to replace that. Because they've denied
the fundamental of the faith. Politics would

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be a good answer. Social causes
would make sense. They've already denied the

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actual fundamentals of the faith. It's
the conservative churches who say they haven't denied

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the fundamentals of the faith who then
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They're throwing away their treasure for the
trash of politics that makes no sense.

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So those are the two terms modernism
formalism. Now, the whole goal

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here was just to wait until let
me look here and look here in the

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sermon's two point. Oh, app
I was simply because of our challenge.

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Hang on, let me look here. Oh, it's just us, all

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right. I thought the daily prayer
thing started at the top of the hour.

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I could be wrong, all right, or United Prayer, I call

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it daily prayer. I thought that
their podcast, their webcast started at the

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top of the hour. Maybe it
starts at twelve, all right? So

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yeah, yeah, I want to
do it. I want to go right

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to my notes. I want to
go write to my notes and talk about

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the modernists fundamentalist debate. But I
think I've given you at least a good

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idea. But remember the goal this
week for the next two weeks for the

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sermons two point oh app sermon challenge
is you're supposed to be listening to to

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random webcast when you're coming out of
taking note, just like we do with

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the sermons. The random sermons,
you write down the name of the message,

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the name of the broadcaster, and
then a one sentence. Well if

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you can do it in one sentence, just write out a short summary of

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what the webcast was about. Okay, the key is to listen to the

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live ones. So what I wanted
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I wanted to come on and kind
of fill in the gap before what

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I thought was supposed to happen at
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one. But I'm not seeing it, so maybe it starts. I saw

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a countdown clock. I saw a
countdown clock, and I thought it was

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supposed to start, So maybe I'm
missing something. I may be confused,

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but I wanted to just kind of
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promote it. But there we go. All right, So are you familiar

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with the modernist fundamentalist controversy? Are
you the modernism the modernist? Are you?

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Are you familiar with that and are
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don't know about the formal I don't
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don't know the modernist one. Now
that guess the issue is is is the

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issues of modernism? Are Are they
the issues in twenty twenty four? I

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mean, it feels to me,
this is my own feelings that I feel

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like that there's been a dramatic change. I felt that at one time the

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church was very much involved in philological
disputes. Right, there was all these

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theological disputes happening within christiandom, right, all of these five right over,

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like things like the purpose driven church
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against that kind of understanding of the
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and growing, the major fights between
Calvinism and non Calvinism. There was,

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like I felt, there was all
these theological disputes, right that what Intie

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writes new perspective on Paul and fighting
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lots of just major philological disputes,
right, maybe the resurgence of all millennialism

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being fought against premillennial There was like
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philological, theological, theological, and
somewhere, I feel like the theological

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has been so minimized, and the
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political issues and going after quote unquote
how many sermons have to mention woke,

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woke, woke, woke, woke. They're fighting the culture, and I

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think the concept of the the theological
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The church seems so has so just
like chased the dragon of a cultural

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war, like they're in fighting the
dragon of the culture, and I just

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I just don't know. And I
think that if you look around at the

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church, the church is more theologically
illiterate, biblically illiterate, and theologically confused

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than it's ever been. That's that, that's I mean, that's just my

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you know, on the spot feeling. So some ways, I wish we

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could go back to the modernist fundamentalist
fights, okay, because those were biblical,

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those were theological. Those are those
like, you know, all right,

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well, here's the word of God. What does it say, not

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fighting over I don't know. It
seems like I don't know. Somewhere,

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I feel like we've lost the plot. That's my own personal feelings. I

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know many of you will strongly disagree, and that's okay. All right,

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So today, modernism, formalism,
these are the things that sort of the

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Lord newspaper fight against. What do
you think about these terms? Do you

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agree? Disagree? I would love
to get any of your thoughts. You

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can email them to me. News. If it Yahoo dot com, that's

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news. If it Yahoo dot com. I hope I made the right decision.

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Like I, I thought this is
going to be like fifteen minutes,

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and as soon as I saw the
other webcast go live, I'd be like,

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all right, everyone that go watch
that one because that's what we're doing

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this this week and the next two
weeks. But since I didn't start,

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now I feel like, well,
maybe I should have just went all in

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on what I was going to do. But that's okay, you know what

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it's it's good sometimes to lead people
wanting more than giving them too much.

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I know, typically my broadcasts go
so long that people want me to shut

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up. So in this case,
maybe maybe, just maybe, Oh I

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wanted you to keep talking about modernism
and the fundamentalist controversy. Oh I'm interested.

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I don't know if anyone to be
actually interested in that historical situation.

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I think every Christian should know it. All right, there you have it,

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Thanks for listening. We'll obviously be
back at some point today and we

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will see if we can talk about
these things. All right. If you

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have any interest in the modernist fundamentalist
controversy, look up the Niagara Creed,

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all right, or you can go
look up our series on the Niagara Creed,

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because that creed is very instrumental,
right, arises out of the modernist

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fundamentalist dispute, fight dispute and debate
and controversy. And then look up the

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four I think four volume set the
Fundamentals. What I'll do is I'll look

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for a link. This is what
I'll do. I'll look for a link

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to the Fundamentals. I can probably
find it on Amazon for relatively cheap,

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and I will send you a link
so you can only see the books.

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You can may be able to find
the books online for free. I'll send

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a link via the Church one app. So if you download the Church one

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app churchne make sure your notification is
on. You'll get a notification with a

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link to those books. And you
should greatly invest your time because when you

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go back and kind of look at
it, it gives you an idea of

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what was happening. And when we
know the past, we bet we have

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a better job of interpreting the present
and we are more equipped to possibly see

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where we're headed in the future.
Thanks for listening everyone, have a great

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day. God bless