Feb. 14, 2025

I Found the Amish Where?

I Found the Amish Where?

A discussion about where I found the Amish.

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A discussion about where I found the Amish.

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Looking at our world from a theological perspective. This is

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the Theology Central podcast making Theology Central. Good afternoon, everyone.

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It is Friday, February the fourteenth, twenty twenty five. It

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is currently three point fifty six pm Central Time, and

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I am coming to you live from the Theology Central

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studio located right here in Abilene, Texas. I was getting

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a little distracted right there, because right as I was speaking,

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I get this notification for some podcast. I'll have to

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go back and look at it says proper distinction between

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law and Gospel, and I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, what

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is that? Who's talking about the proper distinction between long

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and gospel. I have to go find out what podcast

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that was. I need to go find it right now

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because we're always talking about the proper distinction between long gospel.

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But I apologize I was getting distracted as I was

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saying welcome everyone, Good afternoon. At everyone. It is Friday,

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February the fourteenth, twenty twenty five. It is now three

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point fifty six pm Central time, and I'm coming to

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you live from the Theology Central studio located right here

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in Abilene, Texas. Question in your life how many times

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have you encountered someone who was Amish? How many times

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have you encountered the Amish in your life? How many times?

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Is that a frequent thing? How did you encounter them?

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Did you speak to them? Did you get a chance

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to talk to them? What do you know about the Amish?

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Is it just like you've seen them on maybe a

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movie or a television show. You've heard about the Amish,

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but you don't really know much about them. Do you

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know their history? What do you know about the Amish? Now,

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I'm just going to be very clear here. I grew

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up basically in Buffalo Gap, Texas. I was born in Albilene, Texas,

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but then I moved in most of my childhood teen years,

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rest of my childhood, all the way up as to

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you know, as a young adult, I grew up in

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Buffalo Gap, Texas. Population at that time was maybe what

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two hundred people, two hundred and twenty two hundred and

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thirty people, very small little town, Buffalo Gap, Texas. Yes,

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that's where I grew up. Let me tell you. There

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were not any Amish anywhere to be found. There was none.

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There was none nowhere. I did not run into any Amish.

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I did not see them on their horse and buggy.

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I did not encounter them. I didn't talk to them.

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I did not have anything to do with them. I

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not zero. But I know other people who have known,

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other people who were born and raised in other parts

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of the country talking about that. Yeah, they've run into

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the Amish, talk with them, done business dealings with them,

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had them, hired them to do this or to do that,

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And it's always like, oh, okay, that's interesting. But for me,

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it's like I've heard of the Amish, but never any

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no real I mean no encounter, not just no real,

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zero encounter with anyone who is Amish. Now, for those

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who don't know, the Amish are a Christian group known

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for their traditional beliefs, simple living, and separation from modern society.

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They are part of the Anabaptist movement and originated in

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Europe during the sixteenth century. They are part of the

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Anabaptist movement. Okay, now, I've studied the Anabaptist, so we

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can get into a lot of people say, okay, the

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Anabaptist and try to draw a lineage to their particular group. Okay,

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so that's kind of their origin. Again, They're known for

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their traditional beliefs, simple living, and their separation from modern society.

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And that's why many people have never encountered the Amish,

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because they live these separated lives. They reject modern society.

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They are a part of the Anabaptist movement. So if

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you ever study the Anabaptist movement, then you'll learn a

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little bit about the Amish. They originated in Europe during

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the sixteenth century. So what are some of the key beliefs.

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What are some of the key practices of the Amish,

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Just in case you don't know, or just to get

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kind of an overview, all right, Separation from the world,

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that's a key belief The Amish believe in living a

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life separate from modern society to avoid worldly temptations and

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to maintain spiritual purity. We've got to withdraw. We got

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to stay away because we have to avoid temptation. We

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have to maintain spiritual purity. Now, from a thilological perspective,

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I'm already somewhat in disagreement with this, because the issue

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isn't the bad people out there, all of you who

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are Amish. You can't avoid spiritual impurity by staying away

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from the world. Because the spiritual impui already is inside

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the camp, it's inside the house, it's inside of you,

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all right. But that way of thinking has infiltrated, infiltrated

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the minds of most Christians to some level. Oh, don't

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do this, don't stay away from that, stay away from that,

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because the bad is always seen as being out there. No,

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the bad is in here. The bad that I need

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to avoid isn't what's on Netflix or in this song,

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or in this movie or in this book. I don't

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need to ban it, censor it, burn it. No, I'm

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the problem. All the impurity, all of the corruption is

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inside of us, and it's been there since conception, all right.

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So that's their one of their beliefs. Second, adult baptism.

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Baptism is reserved resort. I can't read today. Baptism is

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reserved for adults who make a conscious commitment to the faith,

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typically occurring between the ages of eighteen and twenty two.

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So adult baptism would be another key belief of the Amish.

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Now number three, we could get into a discussion about this, right,

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this is somewhat interesting, and maybe we could have a

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thiological and let me make it very clear, I am

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by no means I want to make it very clear.

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When it comes to a lot of philological things, I

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can say, Okay, I think I know this. I can

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be somewhat dogmatic, I can be somewhat assertive. I can

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be somewhat dogmatic and assertive about many things within Catholicism

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because I wanted to be able to speak on it

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from a position of knowledge, not one of ignorance. That's

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why I enrolled in a Catholic university, pursuing a degree

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in Catholic theology, so that I could be better acquainted

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with it. So many different areas of theology have dedicated

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a lot of time so that I can be knowledgeable.

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When it comes to the Amish, I'm no real can't

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be dogmatic about anything because a lot of it I

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just don't know. But according to at least artificial intelligence,

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Amish salvation through faith and works. While faith in Christ

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is essential, the Amish emphasizes living out their faith through

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obedience to God's commands and the communities or the community

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set of rules. Now I don't know how to say

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this word, but these set of rules I think are

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referred to as or none or none. It's O R

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D N U n G or none or nung. I

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don't know exactly how to say it. O R D

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n U n G. I've not even looked up what

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these these rules are or this. It's kind of like

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a how to an order that you have to follow,

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I think typically. But just that's kind of interesting that

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it's just described as salvation through faith and works. Now,

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if it's a works based salvation the ladies and gentlemen,

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this is not like I just disagree with them because

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they avoid society or they avoid ever. You know, they're

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gonna drive around in a horse and buggy like. No,

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this would be more of a philological division. If works

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are involved in their salvation, and I'm not going to

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be a dogmatic or assertive on that until I do

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much further research. That's a problem. Well, that would be

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a I think that would be a big problem. Right next,

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Community and mutual aid. The Amish people are. The Omnish

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place high value on community mutual aid in helping one another,

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especially in times of need. An example would be a

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barn raising, which you typically see like on television or

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a movie. Now, this one, I am very familiar with

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nonviolence and pacifism. The Omnish are committed to pacifism, refusing

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military service and avoiding violence and any form. Very much

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familiar with that only because of my kind of just

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war theory, and very much more moving to believing I'm

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more a passif I have pacifistic tendencies, you said, say

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in many cases because I believe scriptures like you love

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your enemy, turned the other geek, resist not evil. There's

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kind of a pacifistic mindset in some of that. So

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when you start looking into church history, well, the Omnish

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show up as well, and some some Anabaptists as well

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would show up with this pacifistic mindset. Okay, not all Well,

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we can get into what happened in Germany with some

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of the Anabaptists, but okay, all right. Next, submission in humility. Humility, simplicity,

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and submission to God and church authority and each other

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are central to their faith. So humility, simplicity, and submission,

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that submission goes to God, church authority, each other. Right.

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So that's those are some of the key beliefs. Separation,

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adult baptism, salvation through faith. I'm just going to say

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possibly works because I'd have to really get into exactly

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what they mean by that. But if it's a workspace system,

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then ladies and gentlemen, it's not the true gospel. Community

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and mutual aid, nonviolence and pacifism, submission, and humidity and humility. Now,

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what are some of the key practices Plane living and dress.

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The omnish wear plane modest clothing without patterns or any

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kind of you know, anything that would be that you

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would make it look nicer or anything along those lines.

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All right. They want to reflect humility and avoid pride

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in their dress. So it's very modest, no patterns, very plain.

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All right, yeah, I could, I could probably describe it

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in other ways, but you get the basic idea. So

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a key practice is plain living and dress. Number two

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limited use of technology. They reject most modern technologies such

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as electricity, cars, telephones, and their homes, though some groups

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may allow certain technologies for business purposes like generators or

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maybe a community phone. All right, so they they basically

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reject modern technology. Keep that in mind. Number three horse

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drawn transportation. Buggies are used in a set of cars,

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reflecting their commitment to a simpler way of life. Right

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then you have the ordnan or the ordina, however you

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pronounce this. This is a set of unwritten rules that

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govern all aspects of life, from clothing to technology, and

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to technology used to social behavior. So I guess it's

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a set of unwritten rules. I was getting ready, I

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was gonna look it up. Hey, let's look this up.

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O R D N U N G. Let me get

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a copy of the book so that I know these rules.

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I guess these are a set of unwritten rules that

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govern all aspects of life. If you're gonna have rules

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that govern all aspects of life, why wouldn't they be

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That seems kind of weird to me, all right, So

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like you would want them like print it out and

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everybody gets a copy and you have to review it

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each year and sign off that you did your annual review.

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I mean, it's rules that govern every aspect of life, clothing, technology,

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to the use, from clothing to technology used to social

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behavior itself. Right, then, they also, in their practice have

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this to have a period during adolescence when omnius youth

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are allowed to experience the outside world before deciding whether

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to commit to the church through baptism. So you reach

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a certain age where you're like, okay, you can go

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now encounter the outside world. Go go and then there

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during that time, they decide whether they're going to commit

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to the church through baptism or if they're not. That's

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kind of a kind of a cool thing in some ways, right, Hey,

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you've grown up in this, You've been kept away from everything.

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We've kept you away from the bad, evil world. We

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kept you away from all of that impurity. Now go

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and experience the world. Go and see if that's what

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you want or if this is what you want. Now.

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I don't know how well that works out for them

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psychologically or like, I don't know how that. I think

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there was a reality television show about omnistion and some

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of this. I don't remember the name of it, because

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I mean I didn't I wasn't interested. But I remember

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at least seeing I think parts of some episodes of it.

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I just don't remember everything about it. So there's this period,

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and next they have a that we would basically call

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it shunning, a form of church discipline where baptized members

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who break church rules and refuse to repent are avoided

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socially until they reconcile with the community. So basically you're

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put out. It's almost like a form of excommunication. But

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I think it goes beyond just the church, It goes

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to the entire community. You're shinned by the entire community.

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All right, Next, Now, this one is interesting. This one

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makes me a little sad. Actually, this would be very one.

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This one would would make me very depressed. Education omnus

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children typically attend one room schoolhouses until eighth grade, focusing

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on practical education rather than higher academic learning. Says, you

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only go to school till eighth grade, and it's not

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a pursuit of academic learning. That sounds depressing, That sounds

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that would keep you very How does that work for

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hermeneutics and theology Bible interpretation? I mean that that sounds

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very do the do some people get access to the

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education and some don't. That would be very much a

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power and balance. I don't know that. There's a lot

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of problems I would have with that. Manual labor and

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self sufficiency and farming, car and try and other manual

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trades are highly valued, emphasizing hard work and self reliance.

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So there's a little bit about the Omnish kind of

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a definition their key beliefs and their key practices. Now,

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remember I've never met, never stumbled upon, never encountered the Omnish,

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have you all right? So I was curious, so I

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asked Ai because I was curious. I'm like, Hey, if

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someone is going to encounter the Omnish, the Amish, not

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the Omnish, the Amish, it's most likely to happen, and

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where is it going to happen? And AI said, if

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you're going to encounter the Amish, I keep wanting seeing

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the Omnish the Amish, It's most likely going to happen

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in specific regions and through certain types of inner actions.

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Here's what AI told me. Where you're most likely to

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encounter the Amish, not the Omnish, the Amish. Pennsylvania, Lancaster

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County is one of the most well known Amish settlements,

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attracting many tourists. I've heard that countless times. Hear that

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all the time. All right, never been to Pennsylvania, may

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have flown over it, but have never been to Pennsylvania. Ohio,

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all right, then it named some different places in Ohio

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has one of the largest Amish populations, Holmes County, and

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it named some different places, all right. Indiana names a

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couple of places in Indiana have significant Amish communities. You

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have two counties there in Indiana. Other states, Amish communities

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can be found in parts of Wisconsin, Michigan, Iowa, Missouri,

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and Kentucky. Now that the one place I would have

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been to at least somewhat frequently when I lived in Nebra,

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when I was stationed there in the military, was Iowa.

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But I don't think it, even when all the times

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in Iowa, I don't think I ever encountered the Amish.

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I don't think I ever did. If I do, there's

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no memory of it, Okay, right, So then, hey, I said,

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here's how you might encounter them. Tourism and local markets.

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Many Omish communities have market shops or roadside stands selling

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homemade furniture, quilts, bake goods, produce, and other handmade items.

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Tours of Amish farms and communities are also popular in

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Lancaster County road travel, you may encounter Amish families traveling

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by horse and buggy, especially in areas with large Amish populations.

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Or you may encounter them through some kind of a

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business transaction. You may encounter them through somehow farmers market

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or a craft's fair. You may encounter them in some

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kind of a specialized Amish store, or you may encounter

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them in some kind of seasonal event. Auctions, horse sells,

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and community fairs, and Amish areas often attract both Amish

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families and non Amish visitors. It says, typically Amish people

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are private and reserve. They often engage with non Amish

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or English as they call outsiders in business settings, markets,

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in certain public spaces. However, they tend to keep to

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their social They keep their social lives and religious practices

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within their own community. So I'm like, okay, So then

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where am I most likely not going to run into

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Amish other than Buffalo Gap, Texas? Because I know I'm

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not going to run into them to as far as

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I know. Again, there could be somewhere and I don't know.

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I'm clearly acknowledging, you know, obviously I'm not. I don't

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have an insight to everywhere they are. Well, it says,

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most likely you're not going to run to them in

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urban areas large cities. They tend to avoid fast paced technology,

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technologically driven environments of like New York, Los Angeles, or Chicago.

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Typically you're not going to find them in airports and

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public transportation, since the Omnis do not travel by plane

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and generally avoid modern transportation. You won't find them unless

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they have to be there for some extreme reason. You're

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not going to find them in entertainment venues like movie theaters, concerts,

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sports arenas, and amusement parks because they were avoided by

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Amish due to their beliefs and simplicity and avoiding worldly distractions,

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you will not find them. And technologically centric spaces. Amish

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avoid most modern technology, so you're not going to find

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them in a place around centered around tech, internet cafes,

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electronic stores, or tech expos Now, this one again makes

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me sad higher education institutions. Amish education ends at eighth grade,

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and higher education is discouraged, making college campuses an unlikely

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place to find them. That's sad. That's sad to me.

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That's sad. Your education stops in eighth grade. Do you

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know how many things then you're not going to understand,

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You're not even going to be able to begin to

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even I mean, I just don't. I mean, and I'm

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just looking at forget. I'm not even looking at it

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from like history or medicine or economy. I'm not worried

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about any other academic pursuit. I'm just thinking from a

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philological perspective, If your educate education ends in eighth grade,

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how are you going to even attempt to take apart

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the scriptures, expound them, and understand them all of the

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philological issues. Like it just seems like your your your

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pursuit or your understanding of scripture is going to be

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greatly limited. You need further education. I don't know, I

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just may maybe I don't know. Maybe maybe I'm thinking

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of it. I don't know, I don't know. Maybe there's

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another way to look at it. You're most likely not

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going to find them in military installations, says Pacifists and

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reject Violence. They do not serve in the United States military,

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making military basis and related facilities places you're not likely

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to find them. Okay, Well, I spent most of my

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adult life on a military installation, so that would that

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would probably make sense. You're not going to find them

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at luxury resorts or hotels, and you're not going to

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find them in night life and social clubs. Okay. So essentially,

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any place that represents any modern aspect of life, you're

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not going to find the Amish. You're not going to

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find them. So how did I stumble upon the Amish.

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Or was it around two three four in the morning,

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I don't know. It was around two three four in

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the morning I stumbled upon the Omish. I don't remember

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the exact hour, but it was in the early morning hours.

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I stumbled upon the Omnish. No, Amish, it wasn't. I

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keep wanting to put an in there. I keep wanting

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to put an in there. I don't know why I

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want to put an in there. It's Amish. See it's

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the West Texas thing there, okay, Amish. No, it wasn't that.

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I was awake at three four in the morning and decided, hmm,

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I'm hungry, I need I need something. And I got up,

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got dressed, got in my car, drove to a you know,

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a convenience store that's opened twenty four to seven, and

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decided to you know, get something something, And there comes

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walking in the Amish. And then in the parking lot.

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We sit there and had this long conversation about life,

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doctrine and theology. No, and they told me stop putting

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it in and the word amish, it's it's not omnish,

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it's amish. No, they didn't say. There was no encounter

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like that. I was looking around on the sermons two

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point oh app on the sermons two point oh app

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and I found Messiah Amish Minnonite Church and I was

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like what Messiah Amish Mennonite Church. So I looked at

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it and I'm like, wait, what is this?

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What is this?

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Okay? And I'm like, okay, wait, So here's so. They

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have a site again, it's a Messiah Amish Mennonite Church

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charm Ohio, So Ohio. That makes sense. They're in Ohio.

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They have a phone number. They have a phone number

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three three zero eight nine three three one seven to one.

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I mean, it's right there on the website. I'm not

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giving away, I'm not offering anything that's private. It's right

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there on the website. And I'm like, wait, So they

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have a website, They're on sermon audio, they record their

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sermons digitally, they upload them, and they have a phone number.

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What is I'm like, what is going on here? This

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makes no sense. I'm like, I am so confused. I

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want you to go look it up right now. If

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you if you're using the Sermon's two point oh app

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or if you're going to the sermon audio website, look

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for Messiah Amish Mennonite Church, Messiah Amish Mennonite Church. That's

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all all to Messiah Amish Mennonite Church. And I was like,

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what is this. They have a list of their of

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their you know, sermons, they use the KJV. Now I'm

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curious because if Amish typically believe in us salvation by works,

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that already confused me a little bit. Now, so this

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is what happened. I just kept looking at it like what.

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I started listening to the sermon. I'll play one of them.

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I'll just start playing one of the sermons.

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Welcome to each one that is here, and we greet

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you in Jesus' name, Home, folks, and we have a

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good amount of visitors here this morning. We're delighted that

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you've chosen to join us this morning. We don't know

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your names, but God does. But we want you to

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feel free to worship our great God this morning. For

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a text turned to the Old Testament, to the Book

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of Isaiah, chapter forty three. My prayer to God this

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week was Lord, what would you have for your people

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to hear? And what for me as well? What is

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my need? This message this morning is it's it's kind

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of twofold one. It's an message of encouragement. Secondly, it

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is a message of a reaffirmation of some a foundational

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truth that every believer in Christ needs to be settled on.

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Now. One, I don't know what kind of microphone they're using,

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but it sounds like they could possibly increase their technology.

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Number two, So even when it comes to the Amish,

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even when it comes to the Amish Mennonite Church, they

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do the same thing with Isaiah forty three that everyone

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else does. Hey, Hey, God, what do you what do

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I need to hear? And it's somehow Isaiah forty three,

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Isaiah forty three is about us, is about us us?

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Immediately who's was inserted it? I Oh, so we're gonna

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have to review that. We're gonna have to review that.

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But of course I saw a sermon on Isaiah and

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I was like, Oh, here we go. But I had

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no clue until I looked. I'm like, wait, this is Amish.

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They're on the internet. I was baffled by it, right,

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So I took a screenshot of it. I took a

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screenshot of it, and I just gave it. I gave

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this to I uploaded it to AI. This is what

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AI says. This seems a bit unusual. It says an

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Amish Mennonite church having sermons on sermon audio. Phil's unexpected

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given the tradedditional technology averse stance of the Amish. However,

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it does say this Amish Mennonite tend to be more

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open to modern technology compared to old order Amish communities. Still,

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seeing this combination can be surprising, and an AI says,

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does this seem strange to you? And I said to A,

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I was thinking, wait, Amish have a sermons online and

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they have a phone number. AI said, that definitely stands out.

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The Amish are known for shunning most modern technologies, including

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phones and the internet, but Amish Mennonites are somewhat different.

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They often embrace some modern convenience while still holding to

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traditional values. Even so, seeing sermons online and a public

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phone number for any Amish related group is surprising. It's

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an interesting blend of old world faith and modern outreach rights.

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So even AI was a little bit like, wait, that's

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an Amish. It's I say, I wanted to say Omnish Amish,

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and I'm like, I don't get it. So I want

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I wanted you to know that it's there. I want

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you to go check it out. I've never heard have

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you ever heard any preaching from the Amish? I don't.

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I think I've heard some preaching from Mennonite. But now

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you get the combination Amish Mennonite, and again it is

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called Messiah Amish Mennonite Church. Now what have we learned

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when we learned some of the origin. We've learned some

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of their key beliefs, We've learned some of their key practices.

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We've learned, I say, what else did we cover? What else?

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We so we learned, we got a definition, We've got

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the key beliefs, we've got the key practices. And we

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looked at some places where we may encounter them and

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some places where we may not encounter them. And we

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talked about how I encountered them. I did not encountered

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them by driving down the road going why is there

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a horse and buggy in the middle of the highway?

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Could you move over? What is going on here?

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No?

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I didn't encounter them that way. I didn't encounter them

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at a farmer's market. I didn't encounter them at you know,

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looking at maybe something they built or carpentry or would

455
00:29:17.319 --> 00:29:19.960
work or No, none of that. I encountered them at

456
00:29:20.000 --> 00:29:24.000
what two three, four in the morning on a website

457
00:29:25.920 --> 00:29:29.359
where they had uploaded their sermons that they recorded digitally, Like,

458
00:29:29.440 --> 00:29:33.279
what how is this even going on? Right? But they

459
00:29:33.319 --> 00:29:37.680
have their messages there, I can't currently follow them because

460
00:29:39.079 --> 00:29:42.440
sermons two point zero app still has a limit? What

461
00:29:42.519 --> 00:29:45.839
is up with that? Guys? It's twenty twenty five? Which

462
00:29:45.920 --> 00:29:48.839
podcasting app name one? Where you're like, oh, you can't

463
00:29:48.839 --> 00:29:51.880
follow any more people? You can't subscribe to any more podcasts?

464
00:29:51.880 --> 00:29:56.359
That's the number? Come on, right? And if it's I

465
00:29:56.359 --> 00:29:59.519
think it's like currently set at thirty two? Coo, at

466
00:29:59.599 --> 00:30:02.359
least make it an one hundred or make it fifty, Like,

467
00:30:02.519 --> 00:30:04.559
just at least make it fifty. I mean, that's not

468
00:30:04.680 --> 00:30:05.720
that much, right.

469
00:30:06.079 --> 00:30:06.240
So.

470
00:30:08.039 --> 00:30:10.440
I'm hoping at some point we'll get an update and

471
00:30:10.839 --> 00:30:13.640
we'll get that'll that'll go away. But I don't know

472
00:30:13.640 --> 00:30:16.319
if they stream live. I don't know if they stream live.

473
00:30:16.799 --> 00:30:18.640
I don't know if they just upload their messages or

474
00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:20.839
if they stream live. That would be interesting. And do

475
00:30:20.880 --> 00:30:24.720
they do video? Wait, I'm hang on, let me look here,

476
00:30:24.799 --> 00:30:26.440
let me go back. I can tell you if they

477
00:30:26.480 --> 00:30:28.359
do video, I can tell you in just a second.

478
00:30:28.759 --> 00:30:30.920
No these oh wait, no, there is video. Well it's

479
00:30:30.920 --> 00:30:34.480
a wedding, but they do they do have a video camera. Okay,

480
00:30:34.480 --> 00:30:46.680
hang on, yeah, here it is, Yeah, there it is.

481
00:30:46.720 --> 00:30:49.759
There's the there they are, there's the homish and they

482
00:30:49.759 --> 00:30:55.759
have Yeah, they have a video camera. So they have

483
00:30:55.799 --> 00:31:02.319
a video camera. They'll bloat. They are obviously recording things digitally.

484
00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:05.720
They have a website and they have a phone number.

485
00:31:08.160 --> 00:31:10.759
Now you may not find it that unusual, you may

486
00:31:10.759 --> 00:31:14.000
not even find it that interesting, but I wanted to

487
00:31:14.000 --> 00:31:15.799
at least just let everyone know so that you can

488
00:31:15.799 --> 00:31:18.559
go check it out. So now you know what we're

489
00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:19.880
going to We're not going to do it right now

490
00:31:19.880 --> 00:31:26.599
because this already took thirty minutes. But they have a message. Now.

491
00:31:26.960 --> 00:31:29.359
They got two messages that I think could be of

492
00:31:29.400 --> 00:31:32.720
great interest to us. First, they have one called perfect

493
00:31:32.799 --> 00:31:37.400
Love cast out Fear. Now that could really challenge my hypotheses, right,

494
00:31:37.720 --> 00:31:39.920
because that would mean if I have perfect love, then

495
00:31:39.960 --> 00:31:41.960
I can cast out all fear. But can I ever

496
00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:44.319
have perfect love? And if I can't have perfect love,

497
00:31:44.440 --> 00:31:47.200
then I can never cast out fear unless the perfect

498
00:31:47.279 --> 00:31:49.640
love that I need to cast out fear is when

499
00:31:49.640 --> 00:31:52.440
I'm in Christ, who had perfect love. Ooh, that could

500
00:31:52.480 --> 00:31:55.880
get interesting. So that's found in First John chapter four.

501
00:31:56.319 --> 00:31:58.720
You'll see that when it's called the perfect Love cast

502
00:31:58.720 --> 00:32:02.079
out fear. I think that's the original sermon. Maybe I

503
00:32:02.119 --> 00:32:04.880
stumbled upon I think maybe I stumbled upon that one first,

504
00:32:05.079 --> 00:32:07.480
So we definitely want to listen to that. And then

505
00:32:07.519 --> 00:32:12.880
the second one is called the Fourth Man, The Fourth

506
00:32:13.039 --> 00:32:17.759
Man Isaiah forty three. Oh, now you've got my attention

507
00:32:18.319 --> 00:32:21.039
that they put the bait on the hook. They don't

508
00:32:21.039 --> 00:32:23.519
realize this. They threw it out and they started ruling

509
00:32:23.559 --> 00:32:27.200
it in, and I was like, I had that Isaiah Isaiah.

510
00:32:27.240 --> 00:32:29.599
There's a sermon between Isaiah forty eight. Oh, I've got

511
00:32:29.640 --> 00:32:31.440
to hear this. I gotta hear this. So you know,

512
00:32:31.559 --> 00:32:33.720
we're going to have to review it. So maybe we'll

513
00:32:33.759 --> 00:32:36.079
review it tomorrow. Maybe we'll make it a priority to

514
00:32:36.119 --> 00:32:39.440
review it tomorrow. I'm already worried because we already saw

515
00:32:39.480 --> 00:32:43.720
what they did, right, they immediately made it about us. Oh,

516
00:32:45.000 --> 00:32:46.599
what is that ever going to say? But at the

517
00:32:46.599 --> 00:32:51.559
same time, if they follow the rule that you stop

518
00:32:51.640 --> 00:32:56.079
all education in the eighth grade, do the pastors have

519
00:32:56.160 --> 00:33:00.799
any formal philological training past the eighth grade? Say that's

520
00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:04.160
what's now maybe the religious leaders get to have more education,

521
00:33:04.240 --> 00:33:06.400
but then you have an imbalance between the religious leaders

522
00:33:06.440 --> 00:33:08.359
and the people. So then the people would be in

523
00:33:08.400 --> 00:33:11.119
a position then could they really challenge the religious leaders.

524
00:33:11.240 --> 00:33:14.839
That seems like a possible problematic situation in my mind.

525
00:33:14.880 --> 00:33:17.160
That's just me thinking. I'm just thinking out loud, just

526
00:33:17.160 --> 00:33:19.680
a stream of consciousness. I mean, look, I was seeing

527
00:33:19.720 --> 00:33:24.720
Omnish forever. It's Amish, right, So you don't have to

528
00:33:24.720 --> 00:33:26.799
listen to me. That's even with more than an eighth

529
00:33:26.839 --> 00:33:31.119
grade education, right, Okay, So my concern is though, if

530
00:33:31.880 --> 00:33:35.480
let's say, if all that they don't have anything, I mean, well,

531
00:33:35.519 --> 00:33:37.599
if you keep going to church, you're getting more education

532
00:33:37.680 --> 00:33:41.079
than this the eighth grade. Right. So I'm struggling exactly

533
00:33:41.079 --> 00:33:45.440
how to understand that. But if there's a limited amount

534
00:33:45.480 --> 00:33:49.079
of education to some limits, to some part, then when

535
00:33:49.119 --> 00:33:53.400
if they take Isaiah forty three and completely just destroy

536
00:33:53.480 --> 00:34:00.200
it hermaneutically and philologically, do you view that differently than well,

537
00:34:00.200 --> 00:34:03.640
these churches where the people have access to all the technology,

538
00:34:04.039 --> 00:34:08.159
they have AI, they have commentaries, they have the internet,

539
00:34:08.599 --> 00:34:11.079
they have everything. They can go to school as long

540
00:34:11.119 --> 00:34:13.360
as they want, as much as they want, when they

541
00:34:13.440 --> 00:34:16.719
slaughter Isaiah, who I would get more. I would get

542
00:34:16.800 --> 00:34:20.440
less frustrated with the Amish than I would if if

543
00:34:20.519 --> 00:34:22.519
the Amish men and I follow that rule. I don't

544
00:34:22.519 --> 00:34:24.440
know if they even follow that rule, but if they

545
00:34:24.480 --> 00:34:26.920
follow that rule, I'd be like, Okay, well, see this

546
00:34:27.079 --> 00:34:31.880
kind of proves what you get when you don't pursue education.

547
00:34:31.960 --> 00:34:35.760
But all these other churches, and we've were well over

548
00:34:35.800 --> 00:34:38.480
one hundred sermons. Now, of all these other sermons with

549
00:34:38.960 --> 00:34:42.199
and pastors with far more education, they do the same

550
00:34:42.239 --> 00:34:45.039
thing to Isaiah forty forty one, forty two, forty three,

551
00:34:45.119 --> 00:34:51.920
forty four fifty So then education didn I think the

552
00:34:52.159 --> 00:34:54.280
maybe the lesson we learn here is you can have

553
00:34:54.360 --> 00:34:57.239
access to all the technology and access to all the education.

554
00:34:57.599 --> 00:35:01.440
It's of no value one if if you only pursue

555
00:35:01.559 --> 00:35:06.519
education that only agrees with your limited theological mindset framework.

556
00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:10.199
We pursue education and learn to deal with the text

557
00:35:10.239 --> 00:35:13.519
irregardless if it agrees or disagrees with our theological framework.

558
00:35:13.920 --> 00:35:16.280
Our theology should not govern how we understand the text.

559
00:35:16.320 --> 00:35:18.800
But for some weird reason, everyone thinks Isaiah forty three

560
00:35:18.840 --> 00:35:22.199
fifty five is about us. I mean, that's what we

561
00:35:22.280 --> 00:35:25.719
heard immediately I pray, God, what do what should we

562
00:35:25.800 --> 00:35:28.519
hear this week? And obviously Isaiah forty three was the answer.

563
00:35:28.519 --> 00:35:31.000
And this is something every Christian needs to know. Who

564
00:35:31.039 --> 00:35:32.880
wha wha whoa whoa whoa whoah? How did we even

565
00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:35.679
get involved in the text? This is what the people

566
00:35:35.760 --> 00:35:42.039
in Babylonian captivity needed. So but again, it's almost like

567
00:35:42.320 --> 00:35:50.199
if the Amish Amish gets it wrong, I'm more like, hmm, okay,

568
00:35:51.280 --> 00:35:56.599
I can kind of accept it, right, But everyone else

569
00:35:56.639 --> 00:35:59.280
I'm kind of like, what is wrong? What is wrong

570
00:35:59.320 --> 00:36:03.039
with you? What are you doing? I mean, you've got

571
00:36:03.039 --> 00:36:07.239
a phone. Five seconds of Google searching should make you go.

572
00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:15.440
I think maybe we're handling this text incorrect. But yeah,

573
00:36:15.480 --> 00:36:17.039
there you have it. I just wanted to let you

574
00:36:17.079 --> 00:36:24.880
know that earlier this morning I stumbled upon the Amish Amish.

575
00:36:25.119 --> 00:36:27.159
I thought, you're not supposed to be out past midnight. Okay,

576
00:36:27.159 --> 00:36:28.480
I don't know if that's a rule or not. I'm

577
00:36:28.519 --> 00:36:31.960
just joking, right, okay, but hey, you're out wandering around

578
00:36:32.000 --> 00:36:33.599
at three o'clock in the morning. I mean, come on,

579
00:36:33.639 --> 00:36:37.440
we got to stop meeting like this. Okay, No, but

580
00:36:37.559 --> 00:36:40.199
I just was kind of shocked that was there. But

581
00:36:40.239 --> 00:36:49.239
I'm really interested. Obviously Amish Mennonite. I mean they're on Sermonnadio.

582
00:36:49.280 --> 00:36:51.159
They had to sign the Statement of faith, so they

583
00:36:51.199 --> 00:36:53.559
have to believe in salvation by grace apart from works.

584
00:36:54.599 --> 00:37:05.519
I mean, obviously they is this like, is there? Yeah?

585
00:37:05.840 --> 00:37:09.960
How many things of the when you merge the Amish

586
00:37:10.159 --> 00:37:13.280
and the Mennonite, are you? Do you get something? Should

587
00:37:13.320 --> 00:37:16.119
you change the name from Amish Mennonite to almost it

588
00:37:16.159 --> 00:37:19.480
becomes something it's not really Amish, it's not really Mennonite,

589
00:37:19.639 --> 00:37:26.800
it's something other doesn't need a new name. I don't know,

590
00:37:26.880 --> 00:37:30.000
all right, I wanted you to hear that, and I

591
00:37:30.039 --> 00:37:33.159
do apologize, and I'm gonna go back and listen. I

592
00:37:33.199 --> 00:37:36.159
bet you I said omnish multiple times. I bet you

593
00:37:36.199 --> 00:37:38.800
I did. I'm gonna be really mad at myself, going

594
00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:41.039
to be really mad at myself. If I'm looking at

595
00:37:41.039 --> 00:37:44.480
the word it's I mean, it's there's no end Amish.

596
00:37:44.679 --> 00:37:49.280
If I don't look at the word, I just probably

597
00:37:49.280 --> 00:37:51.920
because I've only used the word maybe a few times

598
00:37:51.920 --> 00:37:55.280
in my entire life. It wasn't like, hey, did you

599
00:37:55.320 --> 00:38:00.000
see the Omnish today? Like I was, No, I never

600
00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:02.639
forgive it much thought. I've read about them here or there.

601
00:38:02.639 --> 00:38:04.880
But I mean again, I already told you I never like,

602
00:38:04.960 --> 00:38:06.880
this is not an area where I'm like, I'm going

603
00:38:06.920 --> 00:38:09.239
to become an expert on the history of the Amish

604
00:38:09.280 --> 00:38:11.920
and their theology, and especially if they believed in a

605
00:38:11.960 --> 00:38:14.239
salvation by works, then I would just a minute like

606
00:38:14.599 --> 00:38:18.280
they're not a they're outside of orthodox Christianity, and would

607
00:38:18.280 --> 00:38:23.920
have moved on. Right, So all right, go listen, Go

608
00:38:24.039 --> 00:38:28.239
listen and tell me what you think. We're going to

609
00:38:28.320 --> 00:38:30.800
review some of those, right, We're going to review. We

610
00:38:30.880 --> 00:38:32.719
got to review those two. I mean, come on, I

611
00:38:32.760 --> 00:38:34.400
got to one. I just want to hear a full

612
00:38:34.400 --> 00:38:37.559
sermon from their perspective. And second, I got to know

613
00:38:37.599 --> 00:38:39.360
what they did with Isaiah forty three and that first

614
00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:43.280
John four That raises some serious questions about my hypothesis,

615
00:38:43.400 --> 00:38:45.920
So I definitely want to have that challenged. All Right,

616
00:38:46.119 --> 00:38:53.400
everyone have a great Valentine's Day evening. See what else

617
00:38:53.480 --> 00:38:58.840
is going on. There are some webcasts Current christ Reformation

618
00:38:58.920 --> 00:39:01.719
Church is currently broadcast. I doubt there's going to be

619
00:39:01.880 --> 00:39:05.079
very any more webcast the rest of the evening. I

620
00:39:05.079 --> 00:39:06.960
think we're probably wrapping it all up for the rest

621
00:39:06.960 --> 00:39:12.679
of the evening. If you look at the trending hashtags

622
00:39:12.719 --> 00:39:18.840
today on the sermon's two point oh app is Jesus, Gospel, Christ, Faith, God, Salvation, Grace, Bible,

623
00:39:18.920 --> 00:39:22.840
Church love. So love is still. I don't know how

624
00:39:22.880 --> 00:39:28.199
often they upload it, and they are. The recent hashtags

625
00:39:28.280 --> 00:39:35.400
is authority, sovereign, open doors, shut, slander, examine yourself, who send, tell, bear,

626
00:39:35.719 --> 00:39:41.119
whisper stories, hurt, gossiping, and proof so. And if we

627
00:39:41.119 --> 00:39:44.639
want to look at the newest sermons, the newest sermons

628
00:39:44.719 --> 00:39:49.599
right now is the newest one, the one at the

629
00:39:49.679 --> 00:39:53.480
very top, a Living Sacrifice Romans twelve one through two. Oh,

630
00:39:53.519 --> 00:39:56.239
I bet you would have a disagreement on that one,

631
00:39:56.280 --> 00:40:04.079
don't you think. All Right, our law ish hearts his

632
00:40:04.440 --> 00:40:10.119
lavish heart. That sounds interesting. That's a one, two, three,

633
00:40:10.159 --> 00:40:17.119
four five down, our law ish hearts, law ish his

634
00:40:17.519 --> 00:40:20.039
lavish heart. I'm gonna go save that one right now.

635
00:40:20.320 --> 00:40:24.159
That sounds interesting. I'm gonna I'm going on, I'm gonna

636
00:40:24.159 --> 00:40:29.760
copy that, go paste it in my notes. That sounds interesting,

637
00:40:30.559 --> 00:40:32.880
all right, I definitely want to hear that. I'm gonna

638
00:40:32.920 --> 00:40:36.039
go down here and paste it at the bottom. All right,

639
00:40:36.239 --> 00:40:39.079
it's saved, all right, that's what's going on on the app.

640
00:40:40.079 --> 00:40:41.719
I don't know what you've got planned for this evening.

641
00:40:41.800 --> 00:40:46.679
Have a great evening, a great weekend. And hang on,

642
00:40:46.719 --> 00:40:54.719
I'm gonna check something really quick and yeah, that's it everyone.

643
00:40:54.760 --> 00:41:01.280
Have a great, great night. God bless