Feb. 8, 2025

Hamartiology: Overview

Hamartiology: Overview

An overview of Hamartiology

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An overview of Hamartiology

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Looking at our world from a theological perspective. This is

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the Theology Central podcast making Theology Central. So, how good

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did you do in school when it came to spelling?

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Were you ever in a spelling bee? Did you ever?

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I mean did you did you take spelling tests? I mean,

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how did you do? Did you fare well? Did you

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did you do really really bad? Did you have to

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come home and show your parents, you know, the paper?

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And it was like for the spelling test today, your child,

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you know, created new words and the way he spelled

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these words, these words that we sent home to you

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for the last six months, having telling you to go

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over with your kid, with your child. Obviously you didn't

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and your child misspelled all of these so badly that

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we thought maybe he was speaking a different language and

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maybe he was from a different country. Okay, how did

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you do? Did you do? Did you do? Okay? I

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think only I think I only competed in one spelling bee?

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I think maybe two? Maybe two? What? And trust me,

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I did not choose to be in those spelling bees.

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It was one of those things, Hey, we need this

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many people to participate. Go and you're like, whoa what

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how no? Whoa no? No? No, no, no, no no.

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And it's like, you know, as soon as I walked

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up on the stage, you are eliminated. We already know

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you can't spell anything, okay, because yeah, I'm not a

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great speller. No I'm not. I mean I mean to me,

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I mean, who needs to know how to spell? Right?

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You just type into Google and it said did you

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mean right? Did you mean you type it into an

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ai app? I think you meant this? Hey, I will

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say I think you meant this, and you're like, oh, yes, yes,

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that's what I meant. That's what I meant. The sun

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got in my eyes. There was some reason. So how

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do you do in spelling? Are you a good speller?

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You know? Okay? Great? Now the question is really this,

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How did a spelling error lead me to talking about

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the doctrine of sin? How did a spelling eer error?

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I can't even speak correctly? How did a spelling error

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lead me to talk about the doctrine of sin? Where

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you're going to find out right after I say good

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afternoon everyone. It is Saturday, February eighth, twenty twenty five.

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It is currently two fifty six pm Central Time, and

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I am coming to you live from the Theology Central

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Studio located right here in Abilene, Texas, and from this

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very studio. Oh, I make so many spelling mistakes, so

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many I'll be typing. I'll be typing out the title

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for a podcast episode, spelling error. I'll be typing out

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a description for a podcast episode, spelling er constantly. There

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are spelling errors. If you were to look at my

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notes for for church or for a sermon, or for

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a podcast episode, they're probably littered with spelling errors, clearly

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with grammatical errors and punctuation errors. So I know, I mean,

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it's one of those things you have to acknowledge your weakness, right,

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I mean, I would. I would love to say my

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spelling is perfect, my grammar is perfect. I mean, you know,

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but that's it's just not the case. Those are areas

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where could I be better? Yes, could I improve? Yes?

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Have I been disciplined to work on it? No? But

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I am more than willing to acknowledge the reality of that.

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But it was a spelling error today that's led me

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to this broadcast, not to talk about the spelling error,

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but to really talk about well. The spelling error was

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about a word that refers to the doctrine of sin,

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and I'm like, okay, that I can talk about. So

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this is how it all happened. Are you ready now?

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One of the things I love about what I'm trying

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to do in twenty twenty five. I haven't been perfect

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at it, but I'm trying to maintain this idea. That's

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why I keep underneath the microphone this empty notebook, right,

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this empty notebook, because I want each day to kind

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of open the notebook and say, well, for today, February

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the eighth, you're going to cover this. I want the

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day to kind of guide the podcast. I want the

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day to direct it whatever happens. So sometimes I like

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to tell you what happened well to get me to

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where we are right now. So are you ready? So

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I was sitting here and I was doing a little

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prep for tomorrow, working on some different things, idolatry and

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Babylon during the time of Judas captivity, the religious practices

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of ancient Babylon, doing a little bit of work on that.

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I was doing a lot of work on the word

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faith and all the doctrines surrounding faith and how it's

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been understood throughout church history, how it's been defined in

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church history, doing a little bit of work in Isaiah forty.

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There was just like multiple things I was working on.

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And then I'm like, okay, well, let me take a

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break here. Do I broadcast today? Do I broadcast today?

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So as I'm sitting here thinking about broadcasting, well, I

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open up sermon audio and I just start looking around,

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looking around, like, oh, there's some live webcast on, So

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I click on a live webcast. This one kind of

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made me laugh because basically I tuned in right at

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the time. It's a conference. I think it's called the

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Faith Forward Conference or something like that. It's some kind

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of conference, special meeting that's going on today. There's another

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Bible conference going on i think right now on during

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in the live webcast. I'm always looking for those because

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I always find those interesting to see what the focus is. Well,

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this one, I don't know exactly what they were talking about.

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And I'm paraphrasing loosely here. It was something along these lines.

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You say you're seeking the Kingdom of God, you say

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you love God while you sit there watching your forty

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five inch television, watching a movie or the game. And

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then he kind of and then and I'm started laughing.

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I'm like, forty five inch television. Who in the world

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is using a forty five inch television in twenty twenty five?

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I mean, does anybody use a television forty five inches? Really?

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I mean, I mean I wouldn't. I would think there

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would be much larger. So, I know, somewhat sarcastic, but

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it was just funny, Like I guess if you watch

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something on a forty five inch television, then that just

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proved I guess you're not supposed to have a television.

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You're not supposed to watch anything. I don't know, So,

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I mean, I know that's very typical in preaching to

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kind of put forth in basically, like it's kind of

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put fourth in preaching. Basically, you shouldn't do anything but

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read your Bible, listen to him, go to church, and

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that's it. And it would be okay. I guess if

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if everyone truly lived that. But a lot of times

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you hear that put forth in, no one practices it

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at all, not in many cases, even the pastors who

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put forth that idea, I'm not saying in that particular case,

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they put fourth an idea almost like a monastic way

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of living. And then when you really look behind the scenes,

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you're kind of like, well, you may not do that,

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but you do this and this and this and this

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and this. It's kind of the same thing. So but yeah,

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I found that interesting. So I watched that. I'm like, okay, well,

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I don't want to get all caught up in that,

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so I'm not gonna not gonna pay any attention. So

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then I kept looking around, looking around, and then I

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came across a series, right, I came across the series.

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In fact, the first one I saw, I think was called, oh,

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it was called Landmarks of Baptist Doctrine. Landmarks of Baptist

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Doctrine was the full title Landmarks of Baptist Doctrine. And

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then are you ready? I want you to write down

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this word Landmarks of Baptist Doctrine. That caught my attention

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because obviously a Baptist, right, So then I'm like, okay,

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all right, that is this going to go through historical

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development a Baptist doctrine? Is it going you need to

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go through the basic, you know, elements of Baptist theology.

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Like I'm just kind of curious where it's going to go.

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It caught my attention. Landmarks of Baptist doctrine. But it

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was the next word landmarks of Baptist doctrine. Now spell

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this out or I'll write this down. I'll spell it out.

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H A r m A r t I O l

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o g y. H A r m A r t

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I O l o g y h A r m

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A r t I O l o g y. And

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I'm like, comark histology, what mar har mar etology? And

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I'm kind of like, wait a minute, that sounds familiar.

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I'm like, I know I took a class, but I don't.

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I don't. Look there's something off about it. I'm I'm like,

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that's kind of weird. I grabbed a piece of paper

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and I started to write down the word. It was

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actually an envelope here, and I just I just had

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a pencil and an envelope here, and I started writing

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and I made it h A and I stopped, and

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I'm like, wait, wait h A r No, No, something's wrong, something,

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something is wrong here, something is wrong here. So I

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went to AI and I typed in. I started, I

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typed in the word spelled that way h A r

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M A r T I l O g Y. I

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think is how it's spelled. And AI's like, I assume

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you meant and Ai spelled it a different way h

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A m A r t i O l o g y.

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Not h A r M but h A m A

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r t i O l o g y. And I'm like, okay,

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her martiology hamti okay. And then I'm like, wait a minute. Okay.

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The other one was hamartiology hamartiology, and I'm like, okay,

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which one is? Wait? Is this the same thing or

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are they teaching something different? I was a little confused.

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So I started watching the the the first message in

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their series, and they were saying it like hamr theology hamartiology,

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and I'm like, or harmontology, I think is the way

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they we're trying to say it. And I was like, well,

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wait a minute, what is this? So I kept listening, like, oh,

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they're talking about the doctrine of sin or the study

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of sin. And I'm like, oh, wait a minute, that

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I think Ai is right. It's h A m A

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r t I O l o g y. H A

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m A r t I O l o g y.

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And I'm like, okay, let me let me make sure.

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So then I went and looked it up because I

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was I was a little confused. If I'm being honest,

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I was a little confused, right, because I was like,

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what did I How did I get this so wrong?

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I'm like, I know I or what not so much

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how I got it wrong. I was more upset that

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I was a little bit confused. So then I went

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and I looked it up in a couple of dictionaries. Martiology,

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the mantiology, the mantiology one more time, mantiology, her martiology,

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her martiology. I'm like, okay, her martiology, what is her martiology?

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The doctrine of sin. Her martiology is the doctrine of sin.

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So I'm like, okay, it's hermartiology. It's not it's it's

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not the way they had it again. They're spelling was

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h A R M A t IO l O g y.

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And they spelled it for every message in this series,

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which is Landmarks of Baptist Doctrine ten parts. And not

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only that, they have another series where they spelled it again,

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this time called again they spelled it h A R

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M A t I l O g y and the effects.

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And this one they have three messages and they spell

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it that way and all of them. So I was again,

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I was I was a little perplexed because there was

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at least a moment of time where I thought, oh, wait,

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maybe this is something different, Maybe this is some theology

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or doctrine that I'm not familiar with. But when I

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started listening to them like, no, this is the doctrine

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of sin. They even referred to it as the doctrine

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of sin again the way it should be spelled as

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h A M A r tiology. It's this word her maatiology,

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her martiology, so AI. When I gave it to it,

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it says, I assume you met hermartiology, which is the

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theological study of sin. It comes from the Greek word

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her martia, her martia meaning sin or missing the mark.

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I'm like, okay, that's what That's what I want to understand,

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her martiology. So I thought, well, I'm going to use

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this spelling error, not to point out who made the

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spelling error in the name of the church or anything

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like that. I'm not going to do anything like that.

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I did send them an email just saying, hey, guys,

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I'm I misspell everything, but I just want you to

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know everything. The title of your series, all the messages

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in your series, I think they've been misspelled. I think, now,

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maybe there's some other way to spell it that I'm

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not aware of, so I could be one hundred percent wrong.

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schools I went to, but I don't remember. Like it

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looks similar, but it's not. So we're gonna take a

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little bit of time to look at hamartotology her martoli.

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now I'm looking at both spellings, and I'm getting it

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all confused, this word martyrology. If I can't look at

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both spellings, I gotta move. I gotta move away from

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both spellings. Okay, I try to say it both ways. Now,

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if martiology explores questions like this, if you're taking a

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the origin of sin, the nature of sin, the effects

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of sin on humanity and creation, the relationship between sin

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and salvation, and the final judgment, and sin's ultimate consequences. Now,

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her martiology plays a key role in systematic theology. Her

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martiology is almost essential in relation to other doctrines, like

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the doctrines of man or anthropology, that's the study of humanity, soteriology,

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the study of salvation, eschatology, the study of end time.

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Understanding her martiology is key and understanding all of these. Now,

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you could argue, now this is always the debate. This

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is always the debate. Right, do we use her martiology?

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Do we use the word or do we just say

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doctrine of sin? Do we say anthropology or do we

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just say the study of humanity? Do we say soteriology

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or do we just say study of salvation? Do we

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say eschatology? Or do we just say the study of

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end times? Now I'm sometimes torn between this right because

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journal from a seminar, if you're reading a systematic theology,

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you know the words. You're familiar with the words because

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you were taught them in church and you started learning

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these words early on earlier. This shouldn't be just for

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the adults. It should be for the kids, it should

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be for high school students, it should be for everyone.

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then whenever you hear them mentioned or see them read,

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you know exactly what they're referring to. You immediately know

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hermar theology, doctrine of sin, so teiology, study of salvation, anthropology,

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you know the terms. So I think in some ways

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it's very beneficial and can be very helpful. At the

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same time, sometimes I'm not saying that this is always

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the case. We can begin to say, we can begin

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to speak saying the words just to give us a

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greater sense of knowledge, a sense of pride, to a

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sense of look at me, I know the word. You

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don't know the word. We throw out the word almost

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to give us a greater sense of authority or importance.

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when I was younger, like, oh, I'm going to know

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the terms, and I'm going to use the term, use

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the term, use the term, use the term, use the term.

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want to come across as being knowledgeable and authoritative. So

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it was it more about me or was it more

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about helping people learn the term? Was I was I

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trying to exalt me? Or was I trying to give

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say that your motivations are always easy to be questioned, right,

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your motive. Our motives are not always pure. So her

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martiology is the doctrine of sin. So so Ai said

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that her martiology is basically is a is common to

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misspell it. It's it's pretty common, and it says this.

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from Greek. And so I was like, okay, I think

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that that's probably the case. Again, her martiology comes from

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the Greek word her martia harm martia and all right,

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and that means to miss the mark, all right. So

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so the bottom line is trying to figure all of

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that out, like, okay, is this her martiology is this?

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I can't remember the way they said it, and I

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even listened to them say it, and I think they

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tried to say it the way they had it written out.

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They didn't say hamartiology they were they said it the

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other way, And I was like, okay, I'm again. There

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was a brief minute I thought they were speaking of

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something else, but I believe this is what they were

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referring to. I may find out different, but if you

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go look at all the lessons. It sounds like that

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they were trying to talk about the doctrine of sin,

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so I thought, this is what we would do. I

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know this took almost twenty minutes to get here, but

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that's okay. Let's do an overview of harmarteology the doctrine

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of sin. Let's do an overview so that you will

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at least know what this is. And it's more important

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just to know the doctrine of sin. Now, I'm just

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gonna say this right from the start. If you study

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the doctrine of sin or hermartiology, if you study it

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actually even knowing how to say harmartiology correctly her martia

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the Greek, whether you know how to say it correctly

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or incorrectly, whether you spell it correctly or whether you

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spell it incorrectly, here's the most important thing to note

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when it comes to the doctrine of sin. No one

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agrees on it throughout Church history. That's the takeaway from this, right.

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The takeaway is, forget the spelling. Nobody can agree on

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what is the proper understanding of her martiology throughout Church history.

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No one can agree. But let's do an overview and

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let's try to break some of this down. Her martiology

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is the branch of Christian theology that studies sin, its nature,

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its origin, its effects, and its consequences. It is crucial.

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Her martiology is crucial to soteriology the doctrine of salvation,

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because one's understanding of sin directly impacts your view on grace, atonement,

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and redemption. See sometimes people over here arguing about soteriology.

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There will be all these debates about soteriology and the

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doctrine of salvation and arguing about this and arguing about this.

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Sometimes I want to throw, like you know, a red

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challenge flag in using a football analogous. Since tomorrow's the

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Super Bowl, I want to throw in the red flag

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and say stop, everyone stop, Let's go to the replay,

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Let's go to the video. Because what we need to

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forget arguing about this. We need to argue what happened

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way down the field. We got to talk about her

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martiology because what you believe about that, that's going to

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Because what you believe about her martiology, then your souteiology

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has to be consistent with your study on this. So

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a lot of times, if you believe this about sin,

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where then you're going to have to believe this about salvation,

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or you're gonna end up with an inconsistent theology. So

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a lot of the debates is like, well, instead of

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us debating soteeriology right, going back and forth, we can,

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we need to go back and make sure we have

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an agreement on harmartiology. Right, do we really agree right? Hamartiology.

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I keep wanting it to say the way they had

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it and putting the h A R there. But hamartiology,

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I got to say it correctly. That's what we see

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looking at both words. I told you it was even

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confusing me. All right, So let's look at this the

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biblical foundations for hamartiology or biblical foundations for the doctrine

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of sin. First, the definition of sin, well, most would

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go to Genesis four seven. If we're going to start

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in the in the Old Testament, I'm got to go

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to Genesis four seven, where we're gonna read this. Genesis

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four seven. Genesis four seven. You're gonna read this. If

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thou doest well, good, this is God speaking under Caine.

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If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? And

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if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door.

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Sin lieth at the door. Sin lieth at the door. Well,

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if you look up that Hebrew word, the Hebrew word

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is are you ready? And it's gonna be like two

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or three different ways of saying this, But here we go.

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Strong's age twenty four O three hatta ah hatta h

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cat tof cat to Okay, you want to hear that

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one more time. There's no way I can say it

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the same way. Hat ta ah hat ta ah cat

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to cats hat to ah. Now, I can't even do

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that guttural kind of sound. I'm no good at doing

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that hat to ah uh. And it means that if

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you look it up in the it's used two and

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six or two hundred ninety six times in the King

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James ho tia, and it's it means if you look

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up and say the strongs. Strong's definition is an offense,

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sometimes habitual sinfulness. It's penalty, occasion, sacrifice, expiation uh concretely,

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an offender, punishment of sin, purifying for sin. Sin deals

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with sin in all kinds of different ways, all right,

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the uh ha tia. The outline of biblical usage is

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sin and sinful sense and offering sin, condition of sin,

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guilt of sin, punishment of sin, sin offering purification from

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sins of ceremonial uncleanliness, everything dealing with sin. It's right there,

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all right, but it's an offense. There's really kind of

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where the if we're gonna start with the kind of

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the the Hermartia Hamartiology, Hamartiology say, I can't say it

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the other way. We have to kind of start with

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the definition of sin. And if you start right there

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with that Hebrew word right hatia, you basically many would say, well,

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it's sin. It's an offense. So some would say, basically

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the simple meaning is to miss the mark or to rebel.

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They I believe it's also used in Psal fifty one.

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I believe it's in Psalm fifty one. Let me go here,

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Psalm fifty one, p. Fifty one. I believe it's verse four. Well,

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maybe slightly different here against the the only have I sinned?

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I think it's going to be a little bit different,

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a little bit a different form here. Oh no, it

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looks well, it's a little bit different. Here we go.

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Maybe Strong's age twenty three ninety eight. Hatah hahatah hotah.

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Now this one hatah means to miss, to miss by inference,

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to forfeit, lack, lead, astray. I mean, there's a whole

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host of things here in the strongest definition the outline

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of biblical usage. To send, to miss the way, go wrong,

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and kur guilt, for fit, purify from munk clean list,

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to miss the goal or path of right and duty,

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to incur guilt, to bear loss, to make a sin offering,

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to miss the mark, to induce sin, to cause a sin,

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to bring guilt. It's the idea. To miss the mark,

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it's to rebel, it's to offend. You miss the mark.

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What is the mark God's holiness? You rebel? Who your

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rebel against, against Odd's word, God's law, God standard. You

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miss the marks. That's that's the idea. Right, So that's

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where it starts in the Old Testament. Is really right there?

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The definition of sin in the Old Testament, Hattia, I

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can't make all the correct guttural sounds. There means to

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miss the mark, to rebel, to offend. It is sin

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right Genesis four seven and Psalm fifty one to four. Now,

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if we jump to the New Testament, if we jump

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to the New Testament, we could go to First John.

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First John Believed Chapter three, and we look at verse four,

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First John, chapter three, verse four. Whosoever committeth sin transgress.

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Notice this transgresseth. Also the law for sin is the

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transgression of the law, anything, any transgression of the law. Well,

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you miss the mark, you transgress it, you overstep the mark.

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You either miss the mark or you overstep the mark.

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You transgress the law. The law demands perfection, and you

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can transgress. You can miss the mark. You can transgress

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the mark and thought and word, indeed, and desire and

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feeling and emotion and internally externally, you can miss the mark. Now,

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the Greek word there in First John three four, let's

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look it up. We looked up the Hebrew word. Now,

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let's go to the Greek word here. Let's go back.

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Let's go to first John, First John, chapter three, verse four.

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All right, that transgresseth. This interesting, but it says here sin,

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here's sin. Here we go. Strong's g two sixty six

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amartya amartilla, amrtilla, he martia her martilla is used one

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hundred and seventy four times, and it means Harmartia means

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a sin an offense, very similar to the Hebrew word.

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Very similar to the Hebrew word. It is to be

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without share in, to miss the mark, to err, to

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be mistaken, to miss wonder from the path of unrighteousness,

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to wonder from the law of God, to violate God's

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law right, So you can in a sense if you

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think about it, and I'm not saying this carries out

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perfectly in the language, but if you kind of take

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the idea to transgress and to miss Okay, here's the standard,

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I don't quite get there, and to transgress this, I'm

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just gonna step right over it, like I'm just going

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over the line. That's kind of the way I look

455
00:28:42.279 --> 00:28:44.599
at it. I'm not saying that carries out perfectly and

456
00:28:44.680 --> 00:28:48.599
the from a linguistic standput from the language standpoint, but

457
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you get the idea. When we that God has a standard,

458
00:28:53.319 --> 00:28:55.920
God has a mark, and we miss it, we transgress it,

459
00:28:55.960 --> 00:28:59.960
we overstep it, we fit, we fall short, we offend,

460
00:29:00.200 --> 00:29:06.640
we rebel against it, we sin. That's kind of where

461
00:29:06.680 --> 00:29:10.039
we start with with with the entire That's kind of

462
00:29:10.079 --> 00:29:14.440
where we began the Biblical foundations is defining what sin is. Again,

463
00:29:14.599 --> 00:29:17.680
if you want to study hamartiology and you want to

464
00:29:17.720 --> 00:29:19.559
know the doctorate of sin, you start with the foundation

465
00:29:19.680 --> 00:29:21.640
of it and the definition of sin is to miss

466
00:29:21.640 --> 00:29:24.920
the mark, to rebel missing the mark, and and it

467
00:29:25.000 --> 00:29:28.880
almost kind of expands in the New Testament of lawlessness

468
00:29:30.519 --> 00:29:33.440
a more like missing the mark almost gives me the

469
00:29:33.480 --> 00:29:36.880
idea like, oh, I'm trying, but I don't get there,

470
00:29:37.799 --> 00:29:41.480
And transgressing our lawlessness is almost like I don't care,

471
00:29:41.799 --> 00:29:44.920
I'm doing whatever I want. Like, I think both ideas.

472
00:29:45.640 --> 00:29:48.920
So because sometimes we kind of like I want, Yeah,

473
00:29:48.920 --> 00:29:50.440
we can get into a lot of discs. I don't

474
00:29:50.440 --> 00:29:52.400
want to turn this into a forty five minute discussion.

475
00:29:52.559 --> 00:29:54.960
Maybe we'll come back and look at that concept, because

476
00:29:55.000 --> 00:29:57.559
I think both parts are important. All right, So there's

477
00:29:57.599 --> 00:29:59.519
the definition of sin. If we're going to talk about

478
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her mark theology, we have to be able to define

479
00:30:01.920 --> 00:30:06.200
sin to some level. And again I always say defied.

480
00:30:06.279 --> 00:30:10.119
If you want to understand sin, sin is where is

481
00:30:10.200 --> 00:30:14.920
where we fall short in any way, shape or form

482
00:30:15.839 --> 00:30:20.039
to God's law. Any lack of conformity to God's perfect law,

483
00:30:20.440 --> 00:30:26.240
any lack of conformity in thought, in word, indeed, in action,

484
00:30:26.680 --> 00:30:32.160
in desire and feeling and emotion. That is sin. Any

485
00:30:32.279 --> 00:30:35.119
lack of conformity. Be You've got to hit the mark

486
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perfect every single time internally and externally and we fall short.

487
00:30:39.519 --> 00:30:45.079
You've got to understand what sin really is. I think

488
00:30:45.119 --> 00:30:47.599
that's the problem. I think so many debates about soteriology,

489
00:30:48.359 --> 00:30:51.240
so many, so many of my disagreements with Christianity at

490
00:30:51.319 --> 00:30:56.359
large is because of really this whole subject of hamartiology.

491
00:30:56.640 --> 00:31:00.000
If I believe if Christians really understood hamarteology, they wouldn't

492
00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:02.240
be talking about, well, you can do it, and you

493
00:31:02.279 --> 00:31:03.839
can do this, and you can do this, and you

494
00:31:03.880 --> 00:31:05.880
can do this, and you can do this. And I'm like, no,

495
00:31:05.960 --> 00:31:08.400
you don't understand how martiology, because if you really did,

496
00:31:08.400 --> 00:31:11.640
you would understand how corrupt and sinful we are before

497
00:31:11.680 --> 00:31:16.000
salvation and even after salvation. Therefore, even in salvation, sin

498
00:31:16.519 --> 00:31:20.519
is going to be present constantly. Right, So we could

499
00:31:20.519 --> 00:31:24.920
get into a whole discussion here. So there's the definition

500
00:31:25.000 --> 00:31:27.599
of sin. If we're going to start with, well, hamartiology,

501
00:31:27.799 --> 00:31:30.599
we need a biblical foundation for harmartiology, and it starts

502
00:31:30.599 --> 00:31:34.119
with the definition of sin. Secondly, it starts with the

503
00:31:34.200 --> 00:31:36.319
categories of sin. This one is going to get a

504
00:31:36.359 --> 00:31:40.920
little controversial, but let's work through it. Okay. The first

505
00:31:40.960 --> 00:31:45.240
category we will refer to as original sin. This is

506
00:31:45.240 --> 00:31:52.559
the sinful nature inherited from Adam. This is foundational. Do

507
00:31:52.640 --> 00:31:57.319
you believe that all humans have inherited a sinful nature,

508
00:31:57.319 --> 00:32:02.720
and that sinful nature is totally sinful, not just slightly sinful,

509
00:32:03.039 --> 00:32:06.799
not just a little broken. It is completely broken, It

510
00:32:06.880 --> 00:32:12.640
is completely messed up. Some refer to this as original sin.

511
00:32:13.279 --> 00:32:15.799
You can refer to this as depravity. It's the idea

512
00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:21.240
that all humans are born are conceived in sin. We

513
00:32:21.440 --> 00:32:25.480
are sinners by nature. Look, if you understand this part

514
00:32:25.519 --> 00:32:29.640
of omarteology, then you're going to go with this mathematical formula. Right.

515
00:32:30.160 --> 00:32:36.240
We do not become sinners by sinning, but we sin

516
00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:43.160
because we are sinners. We do not become sinners by sinning.

517
00:32:43.440 --> 00:32:47.559
We sin because we are sinners. We sin because that's

518
00:32:47.640 --> 00:32:52.839
what we are. That's our natural default position is sin.

519
00:32:53.480 --> 00:32:57.599
We sin and thought word indeed, and things we do

520
00:32:57.680 --> 00:33:01.680
and things we don't do because of what we are. We,

521
00:33:02.400 --> 00:33:05.519
to quote the famous song, were born that way. Okay,

522
00:33:05.559 --> 00:33:08.839
I know Lady Gaga was making a different point there,

523
00:33:08.880 --> 00:33:11.640
and we could have a debate about it, but we

524
00:33:11.640 --> 00:33:15.160
we are born that way. We are born this way.

525
00:33:15.400 --> 00:33:19.160
What should you expect from all human beings? What should

526
00:33:19.200 --> 00:33:26.039
be the expectation is sinful behavior, sinful thoughts, sinful desires,

527
00:33:26.759 --> 00:33:30.680
and that sinful heart. Desires and thoughts and actions have

528
00:33:30.799 --> 00:33:35.960
been present since the fall when Cain. And that's why

529
00:33:36.079 --> 00:33:38.160
I when people were like, I wish we could go

530
00:33:38.240 --> 00:33:40.920
back to a time when things were so much, so wonderful,

531
00:33:40.920 --> 00:33:42.880
I'm like, what are you talking about? You want to

532
00:33:42.920 --> 00:33:44.799
go back to the good old days? I don't know.

533
00:33:44.839 --> 00:33:48.039
When a brother killed his brother, And it wasn't because

534
00:33:48.039 --> 00:33:50.319
of Netflix. It wasn't because of rock and roll, It

535
00:33:50.359 --> 00:33:54.119
wasn't because of video games, it wasn't because of something

536
00:33:54.160 --> 00:33:57.839
they were taught in school. It was because Cain was

537
00:33:57.920 --> 00:34:05.279
born with a sinful nature. And if you go through Genesis,

538
00:34:05.319 --> 00:34:07.720
what do you see. I mean, I don't know when

539
00:34:07.720 --> 00:34:10.639
a father's like, hey, guys, guys, guys, stop stop stop.

540
00:34:11.119 --> 00:34:12.840
I will give you my daughters and you can do

541
00:34:12.920 --> 00:34:15.199
whatever you want to them. Well, I don't know. He

542
00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:18.159
didn't need Netflix to do that, he didn't need pornography

543
00:34:18.199 --> 00:34:20.880
to do that. It came from his sinful nature that

544
00:34:20.960 --> 00:34:23.639
he thought about sacrificing his own daughters. Hey, hey, do

545
00:34:23.719 --> 00:34:27.159
whatever you want. Oh and then oh wait what happened?

546
00:34:27.320 --> 00:34:30.320
Oh his daughter's getting drunk and they have physical relations

547
00:34:30.360 --> 00:34:31.599
I mean, we could go on and on and all

548
00:34:31.639 --> 00:34:33.400
the horrible things that happened in just the Book of

549
00:34:33.440 --> 00:34:37.320
Genesis that happens before television, that happens before radio, that

550
00:34:37.360 --> 00:34:40.760
happens before rock and roll, that happens before pornography, that

551
00:34:40.800 --> 00:34:44.760
happens before all the things we like to blame. We're like, oh, Lord,

552
00:34:44.840 --> 00:34:48.440
problems is this and this and no. The problem is

553
00:34:49.039 --> 00:34:53.400
we are original sinners from birth because we have a

554
00:34:53.440 --> 00:34:59.360
sinful nature. All sinful action comes from sinful nature. Christians

555
00:34:59.400 --> 00:35:02.679
run around on to scream about the external cause. It's

556
00:35:02.719 --> 00:35:07.800
not the external cause. It's the internal cause. Many Christian

557
00:35:07.840 --> 00:35:10.599
parents like, oh, that kid's a bad influence on my kid.

558
00:35:10.840 --> 00:35:12.920
That kid is a bad influence. I don't want that

559
00:35:13.000 --> 00:35:15.239
to influence my kid. I don't want that. How about

560
00:35:15.280 --> 00:35:18.320
your kid influencing the world because your kid is a sinner.

561
00:35:20.960 --> 00:35:23.840
We always want to blame everything else. The problem is

562
00:35:23.920 --> 00:35:27.800
inside of us. So the first category is original sin.

563
00:35:28.280 --> 00:35:30.719
It's almost like Christians don't really believe in original sin.

564
00:35:30.840 --> 00:35:34.039
They believe in it theoretically, but not the practical implications

565
00:35:34.079 --> 00:35:43.719
of it. The sinful nature we inherit from Adam imputed sin.

566
00:35:43.800 --> 00:35:46.719
The first category is original sin, imputed sin. This is

567
00:35:46.760 --> 00:35:52.400
the judicial aspect of sin passed to all humanity Adam.

568
00:35:52.559 --> 00:35:55.719
Sin is in a sense accredited to us. So we're

569
00:35:55.719 --> 00:35:59.239
all guilty in Adam. We are guilty because we have

570
00:35:59.320 --> 00:36:02.440
original sin, full nature, and we are guilty in atom.

571
00:36:02.519 --> 00:36:04.719
Now you may not like that idea of imputation, like, well,

572
00:36:04.760 --> 00:36:08.559
why would atoms guilty imputed to me? Well, okay, that

573
00:36:08.880 --> 00:36:11.119
sets up the whole idea of imputation. But we are

574
00:36:11.159 --> 00:36:18.760
guilty in atom. Then you have personal sins, the actual

575
00:36:18.800 --> 00:36:23.920
sins committed by individuals. We have actual sin. Now that

576
00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:26.920
actual sin can be in thought, it can be a word,

577
00:36:27.320 --> 00:36:32.360
it can be in desire. But where does the actual

578
00:36:32.400 --> 00:36:35.159
sin flow from? We want to think the actual sin

579
00:36:35.199 --> 00:36:39.119
flows from an external motivate. Now the actual sin flows

580
00:36:39.159 --> 00:36:47.199
from the internal corruption. So original sin, imputed sin, personal sin,

581
00:36:47.719 --> 00:36:51.039
and then number four some place these in two categories,

582
00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:58.480
sins of commission and sins of o mission. Sins of

583
00:36:58.599 --> 00:37:04.800
commission and sins of o mission acts done against God's

584
00:37:04.840 --> 00:37:08.599
will and failure to do what is right. A sin

585
00:37:08.639 --> 00:37:11.559
of commission is where you are doing something against God's will.

586
00:37:12.039 --> 00:37:14.079
A sin of o mission is where you fail to

587
00:37:14.159 --> 00:37:16.280
do what is this is the right thing to do,

588
00:37:16.320 --> 00:37:20.679
and you don't do it. So the categories of sin

589
00:37:20.719 --> 00:37:24.360
are original sin, imputed sin, personal sin, sense of commission

590
00:37:24.400 --> 00:37:27.000
and omission. And now everyone's gonna get mad when I

591
00:37:27.079 --> 00:37:29.000
mentioned this one. But this one has to be mentioned.

592
00:37:29.000 --> 00:37:31.719
This one has to be mentioned. And I know this

593
00:37:31.800 --> 00:37:35.280
is the Catholic system, but non Catholics have the same,

594
00:37:35.800 --> 00:37:41.119
the same concept mortal and venial sin. Mortal sins are

595
00:37:41.159 --> 00:37:44.400
said to destroy grace, while venial sins do not. Well,

596
00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:47.079
Christians may not say they destroy grace and don't destroy grace.

597
00:37:47.159 --> 00:37:49.000
But if you listen to some lordship, well, if you

598
00:37:49.039 --> 00:37:51.039
commit this in and this end, there's no way you

599
00:37:51.079 --> 00:37:53.159
can be saved. You hear Christians say that all the time.

600
00:37:53.239 --> 00:37:56.400
There's no way a safe person could ever commit that sin,

601
00:37:56.760 --> 00:37:59.880
meaning that you know, that's like the mortal one. You

602
00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:02.239
commit that one, it's not that you lose it, it

603
00:38:02.360 --> 00:38:04.440
just proves you never got it. Well, I mean it's

604
00:38:04.440 --> 00:38:06.559
the same thing. Well, I can never commit that sin,

605
00:38:06.639 --> 00:38:09.960
or then I'm not saved. We put them in categories.

606
00:38:10.599 --> 00:38:13.559
Someone could commit fifty sins and barely even if anybody

607
00:38:13.599 --> 00:38:17.440
just kind of why yeah, yawn, there's no church discipline.

608
00:38:17.480 --> 00:38:20.320
There's no controversy, there's no scandal. They commit one, oh

609
00:38:23.360 --> 00:38:25.840
and everybody, Oh my goodness, that's it. It's the end

610
00:38:25.840 --> 00:38:29.360
of the world. Get the hammer, get the nails, crucify him.

611
00:38:29.519 --> 00:38:33.360
We're having a stoning at midnight because he committed that one. Well,

612
00:38:33.360 --> 00:38:35.960
what about the forty seven other ones they committed? Well,

613
00:38:36.159 --> 00:38:40.719
and everyone commits those. We have our own list of

614
00:38:40.760 --> 00:38:44.960
mortal and venial sins. I guarantee you you'll see some

615
00:38:45.119 --> 00:38:48.320
things never an issue in church, No, one's ever church discipline. No.

616
00:38:48.960 --> 00:38:50.800
And then you see other things. It's like, that's the end.

617
00:38:51.039 --> 00:38:54.639
And we already know which category always everyone always, you know,

618
00:38:54.719 --> 00:38:59.280
that's the end. Anything of sexual nature that you know,

619
00:38:59.320 --> 00:39:03.320
the mountain is pushed down upon them. Fifty other sins

620
00:39:03.360 --> 00:39:08.679
are okay, those are the categories of sin. So if

621
00:39:08.679 --> 00:39:12.800
we're going to study harmartiology, see, when I'm not looking

622
00:39:12.840 --> 00:39:14.280
at the other word, I can do it pretty good

623
00:39:14.400 --> 00:39:17.159
harmart theology. When I'm looking at the other one, I'm like, wait, way,

624
00:39:17.239 --> 00:39:21.920
which way is there? Correct way? Harmartiology the Biblical foundations

625
00:39:21.920 --> 00:39:24.800
for hermartiology. Number one is the definition of sin. We've

626
00:39:24.800 --> 00:39:28.800
looked at that. Number two, the categories of sin, original, imputed,

627
00:39:28.920 --> 00:39:34.320
personal omission, commission and omission, mortal and venial. And then

628
00:39:34.360 --> 00:39:37.239
I guess we could go third, the effects of sin,

629
00:39:40.880 --> 00:39:49.400
the effects of sin, spiritual death all right, separation from God,

630
00:39:49.559 --> 00:39:56.480
all right, spiritual death, physical death. Now, spiritual death would

631
00:39:56.480 --> 00:39:59.039
be talked about Inephesians two one, physical death, Romans six

632
00:39:59.239 --> 00:40:02.199
twenty three. It's the curse of sin. We all die.

633
00:40:03.159 --> 00:40:06.320
Why do we all physically die because of sin? Because

634
00:40:06.360 --> 00:40:09.920
of sin? Now? Because this body is still corrupted with sin.

635
00:40:10.679 --> 00:40:13.440
To me, when people are basically act like Christians that

636
00:40:13.480 --> 00:40:16.039
the old nature has been basically gone, I'm like, no,

637
00:40:16.119 --> 00:40:19.079
we still die because we're still corrupted with sin. We're

638
00:40:19.119 --> 00:40:23.480
still in a body corrupted with sin. But spiritual death,

639
00:40:23.480 --> 00:40:26.880
a separation from God, physical death, and eternal death, which

640
00:40:26.960 --> 00:40:30.760
is the second death. This is the final judgment of

641
00:40:30.800 --> 00:40:33.719
the unredeemed sinners. Where we go to Revelation chapter twenty

642
00:40:33.840 --> 00:40:38.320
what verse fourteen for that. Now, those are the three

643
00:40:38.440 --> 00:40:42.239
basic effects of sin. What I would like to put here.

644
00:40:42.280 --> 00:40:44.199
I don't know how I would put a fourth one here,

645
00:40:44.239 --> 00:40:48.440
but I would state the fourth effect of sin is

646
00:40:48.440 --> 00:40:52.559
that we maintain a sinful nature and we will continue

647
00:40:52.599 --> 00:40:55.360
to sin. We will continue to miss mark, miss the mark.

648
00:40:55.400 --> 00:40:59.679
We will continue to transgress the law throughout our entire

649
00:41:00.119 --> 00:41:05.239
human existence, whether you're saved are not saved. If you

650
00:41:05.320 --> 00:41:11.440
don't understand that, then your entire understanding of hamartiology is

651
00:41:11.480 --> 00:41:16.280
completely wrong. It's completely flawed. You have to understand that

652
00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:19.480
one of the effects of sin is that we are

653
00:41:19.559 --> 00:41:23.679
going to sin our entire life and thought. We are

654
00:41:23.719 --> 00:41:26.679
in a perpetual state of sin because we're supposed to

655
00:41:26.679 --> 00:41:28.519
meet the mark, which is be holy as God is holy.

656
00:41:28.679 --> 00:41:31.119
You're never that, So you're in a perpetual state of sin.

657
00:41:31.239 --> 00:41:37.719
To deny otherwise you're insane. So those are some of

658
00:41:37.760 --> 00:41:43.119
the foundational principles of hermartiology, definitely. So we talked about

659
00:41:43.119 --> 00:41:47.239
the definition, categories, and effects. Now how about now let's

660
00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:52.880
look at hamartiology and different theological systems. Now, I know

661
00:41:52.960 --> 00:41:55.599
this is frustrating. This is where I that's where I

662
00:41:55.639 --> 00:41:58.440
want to start screaming, why is it this way? But

663
00:41:58.480 --> 00:42:03.800
it's this way. People's understanding of harmartiology typically is not

664
00:42:03.920 --> 00:42:07.239
influenced by their study of scripture. It's influenced by the

665
00:42:07.239 --> 00:42:11.119
thiological system that they have been handed. So let's look

666
00:42:11.119 --> 00:42:15.360
at hamarteology and different theological systems. Let's look at it

667
00:42:15.400 --> 00:42:20.079
from the Augustinian and Reformed view. Augustinian and Reformed view

668
00:42:20.920 --> 00:42:26.239
and the Augustinian and Reform view. They understand harmartiology, or

669
00:42:26.280 --> 00:42:29.960
the doctrine of sin is this total depravity. Humanity is

670
00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:35.440
completely affected by sin completely, every single part of us

671
00:42:35.880 --> 00:42:41.000
is affected and infected by sin. That is the Augustinian

672
00:42:41.400 --> 00:42:45.440
Reformed view. And I strongly, strongly agree with this, and

673
00:42:45.519 --> 00:42:49.639
I agree that this total depravity remains in us after salvation.

674
00:42:49.800 --> 00:42:51.519
This is where I get myself in trouble with many,

675
00:42:51.559 --> 00:42:53.360
because I'm like, no, when you become saved, you've been

676
00:42:53.440 --> 00:42:57.400
set free from the penalty. I haven't been set free

677
00:42:57.400 --> 00:42:59.559
from the power. Because if I've been set free from

678
00:42:59.599 --> 00:43:01.559
the power of sin, then I should be able to

679
00:43:01.599 --> 00:43:04.480
be perfect. And if something is keeping me from perfection,

680
00:43:04.840 --> 00:43:08.360
then I'm not free from its power. Okay by definition,

681
00:43:09.559 --> 00:43:13.400
but I do believe that we've been infected and affected

682
00:43:13.440 --> 00:43:16.800
by and every area of our life by total depravity.

683
00:43:17.400 --> 00:43:19.840
The Augustinian and Reform view would also hold to the

684
00:43:19.840 --> 00:43:23.880
federal headship of Adam, meaning Adam's sin is imputed to

685
00:43:24.039 --> 00:43:27.400
all of us. We are all born guilty in Adam

686
00:43:27.559 --> 00:43:32.519
if you were born and you never committed one sin,

687
00:43:33.320 --> 00:43:38.559
you would still be guilty because of imputed the imputed

688
00:43:38.599 --> 00:43:42.679
sin of Adam sin Adam. Sin Adam's disobedience has been

689
00:43:42.679 --> 00:43:50.760
imputed to your account. It's called the federal headship of Adam. Now,

690
00:43:50.840 --> 00:43:54.639
if you believe in total depravity and you believe it

691
00:43:54.639 --> 00:43:59.599
affects every single area of us, well then this leads

692
00:43:59.639 --> 00:44:03.639
to and the Augustinian and Reform view the necessity of

693
00:44:03.679 --> 00:44:08.440
sovereign grace. Look, if I'm totally depraved, then there's no

694
00:44:08.559 --> 00:44:12.119
way I'm ever going to choose God. Come to God.

695
00:44:12.639 --> 00:44:16.280
I'm not, so we need sovereign grace. The only divine

696
00:44:16.280 --> 00:44:19.079
election can bring salvation. God is going to have to

697
00:44:19.119 --> 00:44:21.880
do it because I am totally depraved. Now, what I

698
00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:26.599
learned in my non Augustinian, non Reform schools and churches

699
00:44:26.599 --> 00:44:29.480
that I attended to is they would try to argue that, well,

700
00:44:29.519 --> 00:44:35.360
we're totally depraved, but man's will is not impacted by

701
00:44:35.480 --> 00:44:41.199
the sinful nature. The will is like insulated and protected. Well,

702
00:44:41.239 --> 00:44:44.639
then you're not totally depraved. You can't say you believe

703
00:44:44.679 --> 00:44:46.880
in total depravity and at the same time say the

704
00:44:46.920 --> 00:44:49.199
will is not impacted by total depravity. And if the

705
00:44:49.239 --> 00:44:52.039
will is impacted by totally total depravity, then you're going

706
00:44:52.079 --> 00:44:53.920
to have to have God to do something because the

707
00:44:53.960 --> 00:44:59.800
will will never move towards God because it's impacted by depravity.

708
00:45:02.840 --> 00:45:06.079
So within the Augustinian Reformed view, you have total depravity,

709
00:45:06.119 --> 00:45:09.519
you have federal headship, you have necessity of sovereign grace, grace,

710
00:45:09.559 --> 00:45:11.719
and you have the bondage of the will. You can

711
00:45:11.760 --> 00:45:15.039
read the famous book by Luther Bondage of the Will.

712
00:45:15.159 --> 00:45:19.480
Humanity cannot choose God without regeneration. I have to be

713
00:45:19.800 --> 00:45:24.320
regenerated or made a lie before I can choose God.

714
00:45:24.360 --> 00:45:26.079
Now this gets into order salute us in the order

715
00:45:26.079 --> 00:45:28.119
of salvation. We won't get into all of that, but

716
00:45:28.199 --> 00:45:34.000
that is when it comes to harmarteology. Within the Augustinian

717
00:45:34.079 --> 00:45:37.679
reform view, those are some of the key elements total depravity.

718
00:45:37.880 --> 00:45:43.039
This means humanity is completely affected and infected by sin.

719
00:45:43.639 --> 00:45:47.239
The federal headship of Adam Adam, Sin is imputed to you,

720
00:45:48.079 --> 00:45:51.440
the necessity of sovereign grace. As a result, we're so helpless.

721
00:45:51.599 --> 00:45:55.360
God's going to have to sovereignly elect choose and our

722
00:45:55.400 --> 00:45:59.199
will is bound. God has to regenerate us before we

723
00:45:59.239 --> 00:46:04.159
can believe before we can move towards God. Right, that's

724
00:46:04.199 --> 00:46:14.320
the Augustinian view. How about the Armenian view? All right,

725
00:46:14.920 --> 00:46:19.480
within the Armenian view, they would believe in deprivation, not

726
00:46:19.639 --> 00:46:24.320
total depravity. All right, sin affects all but does not

727
00:46:24.400 --> 00:46:28.159
make humans incapable of responding to God. So the Armenian view,

728
00:46:28.159 --> 00:46:31.960
if they're going to be true, well, were sinners. There's

729
00:46:32.000 --> 00:46:36.559
some depravity there. There's some deprivation there, but it's not total.

730
00:46:36.840 --> 00:46:40.320
It does not completely make us incapable of responding to

731
00:46:40.360 --> 00:46:43.440
God because the will say they got to protect the will,

732
00:46:43.719 --> 00:46:46.039
the will is not impacted. Well, just think about the

733
00:46:47.079 --> 00:46:51.800
logical ramifications. If the will is not impacted by total depravity,

734
00:46:52.360 --> 00:46:56.239
then we could simply will to be perfect and could

735
00:46:56.320 --> 00:46:58.800
do it, and we would not need God, we would

736
00:46:58.880 --> 00:47:01.599
not need scripture, we would not need the Holy Spirit,

737
00:47:01.719 --> 00:47:04.840
we would not need regeneration. We are if our will

738
00:47:05.039 --> 00:47:08.679
is kept not impacted by depravity, then a person could

739
00:47:08.679 --> 00:47:14.519
simply will themselves to be perfect. The minute you have

740
00:47:14.599 --> 00:47:17.639
the will being impacted by depravity, well then the will

741
00:47:17.719 --> 00:47:20.239
will never choose God. Therefore, then you have to have

742
00:47:20.360 --> 00:47:26.639
sovereign election. Either you believe in total depravity or you don't.

743
00:47:30.599 --> 00:47:32.960
Now in the our many in you you have deprivation

744
00:47:33.199 --> 00:47:36.519
not to total depravity, and you have what's prevenient grace,

745
00:47:38.199 --> 00:47:42.199
preveniant grace. God gives all people the ability to choose salvation.

746
00:47:42.440 --> 00:47:44.960
This is the idea. God gives everyone the ability to choose.

747
00:47:45.000 --> 00:47:48.320
Everyone has the ability to choose. Well, if you already have,

748
00:47:48.440 --> 00:47:52.039
If God's given everyone the freedom to choose salvation, then

749
00:47:52.119 --> 00:48:01.079
does that mean we could also just choose perfection, prevenient grace?

750
00:48:02.719 --> 00:48:06.559
And then number three conditional election. Salvation depends on human

751
00:48:06.599 --> 00:48:09.079
free will. So this is the idea. God elects you

752
00:48:09.639 --> 00:48:14.360
based on you electing God. See, God chooses you based

753
00:48:14.400 --> 00:48:16.960
on you choosing him. So God looks to see, oh,

754
00:48:16.960 --> 00:48:19.559
he's gonna choose me. Because he chooses me, I choose him.

755
00:48:19.760 --> 00:48:22.880
There's so many issues with that just from a logical standpoint,

756
00:48:22.880 --> 00:48:27.440
But okay, that's the Armenian view. Deprivation not total depravity,

757
00:48:27.440 --> 00:48:33.480
preveniant prevenient grace, and conditional election completely radically different than

758
00:48:33.559 --> 00:48:37.519
the Augustinian and Reform view. Meaning the Augustinian reform view

759
00:48:38.039 --> 00:48:42.360
and the Armenian view are completely different, almost opposite, and

760
00:48:42.400 --> 00:48:47.960
their understanding of homartiology. The doctrine of sin to have completely.

761
00:48:48.119 --> 00:48:51.480
So if you get an Armenian and a Calvinist or

762
00:48:51.519 --> 00:48:55.159
a reform person and then they're arguing, stop the argument.

763
00:48:56.000 --> 00:48:59.360
If you don't agree on total depravity, if you don't

764
00:48:59.400 --> 00:49:02.920
agree on the impact, the effects, the infection of sin,

765
00:49:03.480 --> 00:49:06.079
you're never going to agree on salvation. There's no point

766
00:49:06.119 --> 00:49:09.599
even having the argument. Just you're wasting your time. If

767
00:49:09.599 --> 00:49:14.519
we can't agree on her martiology, there's no point in

768
00:49:14.559 --> 00:49:22.519
debating soteriology. There's no point either. Totally depraved impacts everything.

769
00:49:22.679 --> 00:49:25.960
And for the Armenians, my issue with him is Okay,

770
00:49:26.119 --> 00:49:28.400
well then if we have this ability and have this freedom,

771
00:49:28.760 --> 00:49:31.360
well then just be perfect. Well I can't be perfect?

772
00:49:31.719 --> 00:49:36.119
Why not? The will then isn't free. If you can't

773
00:49:36.159 --> 00:49:39.239
be perfect, it means you cannot freely choose to be perfect.

774
00:49:39.360 --> 00:49:42.119
That means there's something holding you back. What is that?

775
00:49:42.719 --> 00:49:46.719
Oh yeah, that's called depravity. H interesting, So it does

776
00:49:46.760 --> 00:49:48.840
affect the will? Or doesn't it and affect the will?

777
00:49:51.440 --> 00:49:57.360
How about the Catholic view Thomistic or traditional Catholicism. Thomistic

778
00:49:57.400 --> 00:50:01.639
means Thomas Aquinas right. The Catholic view, well, this is

779
00:50:01.639 --> 00:50:04.960
the idea of their view. Is of if you want

780
00:50:05.000 --> 00:50:08.679
to talk about hermarteology. The Catholic view is this number one,

781
00:50:08.679 --> 00:50:13.159
original sin transmitted by birth, removed by baptism. So they

782
00:50:13.159 --> 00:50:17.679
believe in original sin that we all receive it, but

783
00:50:17.920 --> 00:50:21.159
it's removed by baptism. If you take that little baby boom,

784
00:50:22.199 --> 00:50:25.599
original sin is washed away and then they are infused,

785
00:50:26.119 --> 00:50:34.079
infused with righteousness. In the Catholic view, concupiscence, the tendency

786
00:50:34.079 --> 00:50:37.039
to sin, remains after baptism, but is not itself sin.

787
00:50:37.920 --> 00:50:41.639
So concupiscence remains after your baptize, and original sin is

788
00:50:41.760 --> 00:50:45.800
washed away. Concupiscence remains, and this is your tendency to sin,

789
00:50:46.239 --> 00:50:48.559
but it's not sin itself, but the tendency is still there.

790
00:50:48.599 --> 00:50:51.480
And that's really weird. You're infused with righteousness, but the

791
00:50:51.519 --> 00:50:54.639
tendency of sin is still there. At least Catholicism has

792
00:50:54.679 --> 00:50:58.800
to try to explain why we continue to sin. Then

793
00:50:58.920 --> 00:51:03.400
mortal and venial sin. Mortal sins require confession and penance, right,

794
00:51:03.599 --> 00:51:07.639
venial sins don't they just weaken? Salvation is maintained through

795
00:51:07.639 --> 00:51:13.719
works and sacraments. So in the Catholic view, original sin

796
00:51:13.800 --> 00:51:17.800
is there washed the way baptism, but the desire, that

797
00:51:18.440 --> 00:51:21.559
feeling of wanting to sin. It still remains. You could

798
00:51:21.559 --> 00:51:24.400
commit a mortal or veneal sin. Mortal sin, you need

799
00:51:24.519 --> 00:51:27.440
confession and penance, and you need the sacraments, and you

800
00:51:27.519 --> 00:51:30.000
need the grace that comes from that to help maintain

801
00:51:30.079 --> 00:51:37.239
you and to move you on to salvation. And how

802
00:51:37.239 --> 00:51:42.239
about Eastern Orthodox and the Eastern Orthodox view, sin is

803
00:51:42.280 --> 00:51:46.239
seen more as a sickness rather than legal guilt. It

804
00:51:46.360 --> 00:51:50.559
is less judicial, I think than Western traditions. I think

805
00:51:50.599 --> 00:51:53.480
that would be fair to say. And the Eastern Orthodox,

806
00:51:53.519 --> 00:51:56.199
you're just you're kind of sick. You're not totally depraved.

807
00:51:56.480 --> 00:51:58.719
You just kind of sick. You maybe have a bent

808
00:51:59.000 --> 00:52:03.440
towards not totally infected. You're just sick. You're not spiritually dead.

809
00:52:03.559 --> 00:52:06.440
You're just sick. And it's not seen as such like

810
00:52:06.480 --> 00:52:13.679
a judicial kind of guilt. The fall introduces corruption. In

811
00:52:13.760 --> 00:52:17.719
the Eastern Orthodox view, humans are not totally depraved. You're

812
00:52:17.800 --> 00:52:22.440
just weakened. See we're weak. That's completely different than total

813
00:52:22.480 --> 00:52:25.960
depravity totally. I mean, these are like, these views are

814
00:52:26.039 --> 00:52:29.159
so contradictory to one another. It's maddening to think we

815
00:52:29.199 --> 00:52:32.840
can't even agree on this. Within Christianity. We cannot even

816
00:52:33.000 --> 00:52:43.599
agree on the doctrine of sin, and then within Eastern

817
00:52:43.679 --> 00:52:47.519
orthodox I think it's called theosis. Theosis theosis, I think

818
00:52:47.639 --> 00:52:51.239
is how it's pronounced and healing. Salvation is about restoring

819
00:52:51.239 --> 00:52:55.840
divine image and overcoming sin. Salvation is about restoring the

820
00:52:55.840 --> 00:53:02.239
divine image and overcoming sin. Well, and a more reformed view,

821
00:53:02.880 --> 00:53:07.039
salvation is about imputed righteousness by faith. The righteousness of

822
00:53:07.079 --> 00:53:10.800
Christ is imputed to my account. Adam's guilt is imputed

823
00:53:10.840 --> 00:53:14.679
to me. My guilt is imputed to Christ, and Christ's

824
00:53:14.719 --> 00:53:24.159
righteousness is imputed to me. Now, the Lutheran view total

825
00:53:24.159 --> 00:53:29.159
depravity similar to reform view, but maintains sacramental regeneration. This

826
00:53:29.199 --> 00:53:32.199
is where I'm so much in agreement with Lutheranism until

827
00:53:32.280 --> 00:53:35.039
right there. I don't believe that you want take a baby,

828
00:53:35.280 --> 00:53:39.519
put water on it and say, boom, regenerated, it's he's

829
00:53:39.559 --> 00:53:41.880
now a child of God. I don't believe putting water

830
00:53:41.960 --> 00:53:44.480
on a baby does that. I just don't. I just don't.

831
00:53:44.800 --> 00:53:47.199
At one that just seems to destroy salvation by grace

832
00:53:47.199 --> 00:53:49.880
alone through faith. The baby doesn't believe. Now, I say,

833
00:53:49.960 --> 00:53:52.199
they go to John the bad Well, John the Baptist

834
00:53:52.280 --> 00:53:54.760
heard and leapt in the womb. So a baby can,

835
00:53:55.239 --> 00:53:57.960
a baby can or a baby does, and it just

836
00:53:58.119 --> 00:54:00.280
and then they'll say, well, no, the god parents believe

837
00:54:00.360 --> 00:54:02.159
for the child. Well, if the god parents can believe

838
00:54:02.159 --> 00:54:04.239
for the child, then can't we just believe for everyone else?

839
00:54:04.519 --> 00:54:07.400
The whole thing becomes really and I was a Lutherans

840
00:54:07.400 --> 00:54:09.679
and nobody say that I don't understand Lutheranism. I was

841
00:54:09.719 --> 00:54:12.480
going to become a Lutheran pastor, so yeah, I think

842
00:54:12.480 --> 00:54:18.760
I'm pretty familiar with it all right. Now, this one

843
00:54:18.840 --> 00:54:22.320
is very important within the Lutheran view, believers remain sinful

844
00:54:22.639 --> 00:54:27.360
while being justified. Now I completely agree with that we

845
00:54:27.440 --> 00:54:32.119
are justified, we're still sinners. We still sin. I am,

846
00:54:32.360 --> 00:54:35.360
how am I justified by an imputed righteousness, But I

847
00:54:35.519 --> 00:54:39.039
still sin, And that continuing sin does not call into

848
00:54:39.119 --> 00:54:43.719
question my justification because my justification is not dependent on

849
00:54:43.719 --> 00:54:45.760
what I do or don't do. It's dependent on what

850
00:54:45.840 --> 00:54:49.559
Christ did. Now, there, I really much agree with Lutherans

851
00:54:49.559 --> 00:54:55.519
on that. And then I love Lutheranism's law and Gospel distinction.

852
00:54:55.679 --> 00:54:58.159
They're really the only ones who even maintain it in

853
00:54:58.199 --> 00:55:02.840
a meaningful way anymore. I wish more Lutheran churches would

854
00:55:02.880 --> 00:55:06.800
just spend more time preaching on law gospel distinction because

855
00:55:06.840 --> 00:55:09.639
everyone else needs to hear it. The law exposes in

856
00:55:09.679 --> 00:55:11.840
the Gospel saves. The law says what you should do,

857
00:55:12.760 --> 00:55:15.199
It shows you what you don't do, and it shows

858
00:55:15.199 --> 00:55:17.360
you that actions are never going to be enough. And

859
00:55:17.400 --> 00:55:20.960
then the Gospel say, hey, hey, Christ did it for you.

860
00:55:22.519 --> 00:55:25.280
That's the Lutheran view. So we're looking at all the

861
00:55:25.360 --> 00:55:31.199
different views of martiology within the different theological systems. Please

862
00:55:31.280 --> 00:55:36.519
note all of these differences. Her martiology within the Augustinian

863
00:55:36.559 --> 00:55:39.639
and Reform view. We look at harmartiology within our Minian view,

864
00:55:39.800 --> 00:55:42.480
or martiology within the Catholic view of martiology within the

865
00:55:42.519 --> 00:55:45.519
Eastern Orthodox view of martiology within the Lutheran view. How

866
00:55:45.519 --> 00:55:51.599
about hamartiology within the Wesleyan holiness view, depravity but with

867
00:55:51.719 --> 00:55:57.519
a higher role for grace. Preveniant grace enables faith. So

868
00:55:57.559 --> 00:56:01.320
you have depravity, but then you get this prevenient, prevenient

869
00:56:01.559 --> 00:56:05.559
grace which then enables you to believe. And then within

870
00:56:05.599 --> 00:56:07.719
the Wesleyan view, this is where it gets really confused,

871
00:56:08.239 --> 00:56:13.320
the possibility of entire sanctification. Some within the Wesleyan holiness

872
00:56:13.400 --> 00:56:16.599
view believes in the freedom from willful sin. You can

873
00:56:16.639 --> 00:56:20.719
reach a point where you never willfully sin again. Now

874
00:56:20.719 --> 00:56:23.159
the minute you believe that and you no longer believe

875
00:56:23.679 --> 00:56:26.079
that sinful nature remains, you have to believe in the

876
00:56:26.079 --> 00:56:29.119
eradication of the old nature. And many Christians kind of

877
00:56:29.159 --> 00:56:32.360
call for even within outside of the Wesleyan holiness view,

878
00:56:32.360 --> 00:56:34.719
you even get into some lordship, it's almost like you

879
00:56:34.880 --> 00:56:38.079
believe in boom, the old is completely gone. And how

880
00:56:38.079 --> 00:56:40.079
many Christians say that all the time. When you become

881
00:56:40.119 --> 00:56:42.039
a Christian, you become a new creature, the old past way,

882
00:56:42.079 --> 00:56:44.079
all things have become new. And they believe that in

883
00:56:44.119 --> 00:56:48.440
a practical way versus what it means a positional transformation,

884
00:56:48.559 --> 00:56:53.519
not a practical transformation. Most Christians, they may not believe

885
00:56:53.679 --> 00:56:56.920
in an entire sanctification, but they talk like they do

886
00:56:57.119 --> 00:56:59.760
that basically we are completely transforming. We basically should be

887
00:56:59.800 --> 00:57:04.400
per well, that's not immediately when I hear someone talk

888
00:57:04.519 --> 00:57:07.000
like that, I could either argue with them, or I

889
00:57:07.000 --> 00:57:09.599
could say we don't agree on homarteology. We don't have

890
00:57:09.599 --> 00:57:13.079
an agreement on homartiology. There's no point in having this conversation.

891
00:57:13.440 --> 00:57:16.079
You don't believe in total depravity, and the way that

892
00:57:16.119 --> 00:57:18.599
I believe in total depravity. You gotta say yes, I do. No,

893
00:57:18.719 --> 00:57:21.400
you don't, okay, because if you did, you would know

894
00:57:21.519 --> 00:57:23.840
it's very much still present and we're still going to

895
00:57:23.880 --> 00:57:28.760
continue to sin. Now, how about within the Pentecostal charismatic world,

896
00:57:29.880 --> 00:57:33.639
sin can be overcome through spirit baptism. Some believe spirit

897
00:57:33.679 --> 00:57:37.000
filled believers have more power over sin. I think if

898
00:57:37.000 --> 00:57:40.239
you go to the Assemblies of God website, look at

899
00:57:40.280 --> 00:57:43.199
their doctrinal statement about the baptism of the Holy Spirit,

900
00:57:43.360 --> 00:57:46.440
and I think it specifically states that basically, if you're

901
00:57:46.480 --> 00:57:49.480
baptized in the Holy Spirit evidenced by speaking in tongues

902
00:57:50.480 --> 00:57:54.679
dun dun, duh, you have power over sin. And I've

903
00:57:54.800 --> 00:57:57.840
worked with so many Charismatics who've had the baptism of

904
00:57:57.840 --> 00:58:01.800
the Holy Spirit and have spoken tongues who've committed every

905
00:58:01.880 --> 00:58:05.199
known sin that you can imagine. And guess what. I'm

906
00:58:05.199 --> 00:58:07.679
not saying that they're more sinful than I am, but

907
00:58:07.719 --> 00:58:11.079
they're at least as sinful as I am. Okay, I'm

908
00:58:11.159 --> 00:58:14.800
not saying that I'm better than them. I'm saying that

909
00:58:15.159 --> 00:58:18.519
they are basically as bad as I am, meaning that

910
00:58:18.559 --> 00:58:20.360
they have no more power than I have or no

911
00:58:20.480 --> 00:58:24.000
less than I have. A right, demonic influence and sin.

912
00:58:24.039 --> 00:58:26.679
Within the Pentecostal charismatic views, some see spiritual warfare as

913
00:58:26.719 --> 00:58:29.239
a key part of overcoming sin. They like to blame

914
00:58:29.280 --> 00:58:31.800
the devil for sin, the devil, the devil, the devil,

915
00:58:31.920 --> 00:58:36.440
instead of saying sin starts from inside, sin starts from outside,

916
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and if it is inside, it's because of a demon

917
00:58:39.280 --> 00:58:45.760
instead of just your sinful nature. Now, what are some

918
00:58:45.800 --> 00:58:49.400
of the key debates and homarteology. Well, some of the

919
00:58:49.480 --> 00:58:52.719
key debates and martiology are these. Number one, inherited guilt

920
00:58:53.239 --> 00:58:57.400
versus inherited corruption? Are humans guilty because of Adam? Are

921
00:58:57.440 --> 00:59:02.239
just corrupt? Now? I believe in inherited guilt and inherited corruption.

922
00:59:02.559 --> 00:59:06.599
I believe in Adam. We are guilty and we are corrupted,

923
00:59:07.440 --> 00:59:12.519
not just one or the other. We get both. Number two,

924
00:59:13.519 --> 00:59:20.119
total depravity versus partial depravity? Is humanity completely unable to

925
00:59:20.119 --> 00:59:22.840
seek God? And I say, yes, we are totally depraved,

926
00:59:22.880 --> 00:59:26.519
We're not partially depraved. And that total depravity remains with

927
00:59:26.639 --> 00:59:33.159
us from birth until death. That depravity is there and

928
00:59:33.519 --> 00:59:38.760
it manifests itself constantly. So the key debates in hamartiology

929
00:59:39.079 --> 00:59:43.519
is inherited guilt versus inherited corruption, total depravity versus partial depravity.

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00:59:43.599 --> 00:59:46.159
Number three, the role of free will. Can humans choose

931
00:59:46.159 --> 00:59:49.800
God apart from divine grace? Well, guess what you can

932
00:59:49.920 --> 00:59:52.599
choose God apart from divine grace If you don't believe

933
00:59:52.599 --> 00:59:56.480
in total depravity. If you believe in total depravity, then

934
00:59:56.519 --> 01:00:00.239
it's illogical. And I got so fed up. And of

935
01:00:00.280 --> 01:00:02.679
my independent fundamental Baptist churches that were there, we say

936
01:00:02.760 --> 01:00:06.039
we believe in total depravity, but we do not believe

937
01:00:06.039 --> 01:00:08.920
in Calvinism because everyone is free to choose. The will

938
01:00:09.000 --> 01:00:10.920
is free. And I'm like, well, if the will is free,

939
01:00:10.920 --> 01:00:15.199
then you don't believe in total de bravity. Man alive,

940
01:00:15.400 --> 01:00:18.239
It's not that complicated. Just say you don't believe in

941
01:00:18.239 --> 01:00:23.480
total de bravity. Just say it. Be more honest with

942
01:00:23.519 --> 01:00:29.239
your Armenian heritage. Sinless perfection. Can believers reach a state

943
01:00:29.239 --> 01:00:33.199
where they no longer sin? I say, absolutely, not not

944
01:00:33.280 --> 01:00:37.519
even close, because the standard to be would be be

945
01:00:37.719 --> 01:00:39.880
holy as God is holy. You've never done that, you

946
01:00:39.920 --> 01:00:42.119
never will do that. So you're in a perpetual status sin.

947
01:00:42.199 --> 01:00:44.440
I'm in a perpetual status sin. No matter how many

948
01:00:44.440 --> 01:00:46.119
things you want to look at and say, look at me,

949
01:00:46.400 --> 01:00:48.480
look at me. I've been transformed. You're in a perpetual

950
01:00:48.519 --> 01:00:54.760
status in nature versus nurture. Is sin purely a spiritual reality?

951
01:00:55.079 --> 01:00:58.880
Or does environment contribute Well, we can look to environment

952
01:00:58.880 --> 01:01:01.280
and how it may contribute sin, But let me tell

953
01:01:01.320 --> 01:01:08.599
you it starts from inside. External only has power because

954
01:01:08.639 --> 01:01:13.159
there's an internal thing. Like the external thing sends out

955
01:01:13.159 --> 01:01:16.079
the radio signal, you've got to have the transmitter to

956
01:01:16.079 --> 01:01:18.880
pick it up. And the transmitter is your sinful nature

957
01:01:18.920 --> 01:01:21.719
that picks up and it tunes in perfectly to every

958
01:01:21.760 --> 01:01:25.400
sinful thing the world offers. See, if you ever want

959
01:01:25.400 --> 01:01:27.360
to talk about how Satan operates, he doesn't have to

960
01:01:27.360 --> 01:01:29.239
do much. He just has to have a world system

961
01:01:29.559 --> 01:01:33.639
that just offers up everything that our receiver is ready

962
01:01:33.679 --> 01:01:37.239
to pick up, which is your sinful nature. We can

963
01:01:37.320 --> 01:01:40.199
blame the world, but it starts from inside of us.

964
01:01:40.639 --> 01:01:42.840
And even if you remove everything in the world, we

965
01:01:43.079 --> 01:01:47.079
ourselves will come up with the very sin that you

966
01:01:47.159 --> 01:01:50.840
say Hollywood is corrupting everyone. Hollywood is only reflecting the

967
01:01:50.880 --> 01:01:54.159
corruption that is inside of us. Remove Hollywood, the same

968
01:01:54.199 --> 01:01:56.960
corruption would be there. Go to Genesis. How do you

969
01:01:57.000 --> 01:02:00.159
get rape, incest? You get all those horrible things that

970
01:02:00.199 --> 01:02:04.079
happened why? Because of it starts inside. They did not

971
01:02:04.199 --> 01:02:08.000
need Hollywood, they didn't need music. It's inside of us.

972
01:02:11.679 --> 01:02:15.039
Those are the key debates on hamartiology. Inherited guilt versus

973
01:02:15.119 --> 01:02:18.079
inherited corruption, total depravity versus partial to pravity, the roll

974
01:02:18.119 --> 01:02:21.639
of free will, sinless perfection, nature versus nurture, And here

975
01:02:21.719 --> 01:02:26.480
is a conclusion. According to Ai, harmartiology is foundational to

976
01:02:26.559 --> 01:02:30.199
Christian theology because it defines why salvation is necessary and

977
01:02:30.280 --> 01:02:35.280
how God addresses sin. Different traditions emphasizes various aspects of

978
01:02:35.320 --> 01:02:39.119
sin's nature, consequences, and remedies, but all affirm that sin

979
01:02:39.199 --> 01:02:42.280
is humanity's greatest problem and that Christ is the ultimate solution.

980
01:02:43.000 --> 01:02:44.559
I don't know if they all agree that sin is

981
01:02:44.559 --> 01:02:47.159
our greatest problem. Well maybe they do. They just tend

982
01:02:47.199 --> 01:02:51.760
to put the sin outside of us. So that is harmarteology.

983
01:02:53.960 --> 01:03:01.079
Herm Maartiology is spelled ham aar ti O l o

984
01:03:01.480 --> 01:03:06.719
g y AMarch theology. The people who misspelled it, No,

985
01:03:07.239 --> 01:03:09.920
I'm not making My only reason I pointed out is

986
01:03:10.119 --> 01:03:12.880
it got me to question, wait, do I even know

987
01:03:13.000 --> 01:03:16.360
this word? And then you notice I even odd of

988
01:03:16.400 --> 01:03:21.000
trouble saying it right? Okay, so I'm not pointing it

989
01:03:21.039 --> 01:03:23.280
out to bring any embarrassment or shame. That's why I'm

990
01:03:23.280 --> 01:03:27.159
not mentioning the name. If they correct it, then probably

991
01:03:27.199 --> 01:03:29.559
what I'll do is then maybe because I want everyone

992
01:03:29.559 --> 01:03:31.360
to go listen to the series, but I don't want

993
01:03:31.400 --> 01:03:33.960
anyone to think I'm pointing it out or like making

994
01:03:34.039 --> 01:03:36.679
fun or mocking, because I'm not. Like I said, I

995
01:03:37.400 --> 01:03:40.119
was confused for a minute. I even like I said,

996
01:03:40.119 --> 01:03:41.519
I got the piece of paper right here, I can

997
01:03:41.559 --> 01:03:43.639
show you. I have the letters h A, because I

998
01:03:43.679 --> 01:03:45.800
started to write it out and I was like, I'm like,

999
01:03:45.840 --> 01:03:49.320
wait a minute, is this something different or is this

1000
01:03:49.440 --> 01:03:51.800
the doctrine of sin? So then I listened and I'm like,

1001
01:03:51.840 --> 01:03:54.519
oh wait, that's the doctrine of sin. And I'm like, okay, well,

1002
01:03:55.719 --> 01:03:58.119
this is they're going to present to me on a

1003
01:03:58.960 --> 01:04:02.440
silver platter the opportunity to do an overview on hamarteology.

1004
01:04:02.480 --> 01:04:06.679
And that's what we just did. Harmartiology is the doctrine

1005
01:04:06.679 --> 01:04:15.239
of sin. We have looked at it, the Biblical foundations

1006
01:04:15.239 --> 01:04:18.400
for harmartiology, the definition of sin, the categories of sin,

1007
01:04:20.000 --> 01:04:23.719
the effects of sin, harmartiology, and different theological systems. We

1008
01:04:23.760 --> 01:04:26.840
looked at the Augustinian view, the Armenian view, the Catholic view,

1009
01:04:26.840 --> 01:04:29.280
the Eastern Orthodox view, the Lutheran view, the Wesleyan view,

1010
01:04:29.400 --> 01:04:33.480
the Pentecostal charismatic view. We looked at key debates and harmartiology,

1011
01:04:33.719 --> 01:04:37.800
inherited guilt versus inherited corruption, total depravity versus partial depravity,

1012
01:04:37.920 --> 01:04:41.159
the role of free will, sinless perfection, the nature versus nurture.

1013
01:04:41.280 --> 01:04:44.719
And then we concluded, and AI was very helpful in

1014
01:04:44.800 --> 01:04:50.000
all of that. All right, see what happens when I

1015
01:04:50.039 --> 01:04:56.760
have an empty notebook. Now, I am very interested in

1016
01:04:56.800 --> 01:05:00.320
hearing some of the things they say about HAMMARTIOLI. Yeah,

1017
01:05:00.320 --> 01:05:02.039
I really am. I really am. I want to hear

1018
01:05:02.079 --> 01:05:05.480
what they have to say. And I just want to

1019
01:05:05.519 --> 01:05:07.920
make it clear because I don't want anyone to misunderstand

1020
01:05:08.119 --> 01:05:11.440
I'm not making fun. I am not mocking. I'm not

1021
01:05:11.519 --> 01:05:14.239
making fun at all. I misspell things far more than

1022
01:05:14.280 --> 01:05:17.679
probably they could even imagine. I make mistakes all the time,

1023
01:05:17.679 --> 01:05:22.360
and the titles of my podcast I constantly, constantly. You'll

1024
01:05:22.400 --> 01:05:25.440
look at my descriptions, they're not grammatically correct. Sometimes the

1025
01:05:25.480 --> 01:05:28.880
punctuation either is there or not there. So by no means,

1026
01:05:29.360 --> 01:05:31.559
I'm just grateful that I stumbled upon it and it

1027
01:05:31.599 --> 01:05:37.760
made me go, huh what, And then I'm like, oh, homarteology.

1028
01:05:37.800 --> 01:05:40.320
The doctors said, well, then let's do an overview of it.

1029
01:05:40.639 --> 01:05:43.920
Let's use that spelling error that I perceive to be one.

1030
01:05:44.039 --> 01:05:47.320
Maybe there's two ways to spell it and not. I

1031
01:05:47.360 --> 01:05:49.199
mean I could be wrong by no means? Do I

1032
01:05:49.400 --> 01:05:53.320
think I'm being dogmatically asserting that I'm right? And I'm like, well,

1033
01:05:53.320 --> 01:05:55.079
then we can talk about it. And then what happened?

1034
01:05:55.599 --> 01:05:58.119
Because I had both ways of spelling it, I kept

1035
01:05:58.119 --> 01:06:04.440
mispronouncing it. I kept miss pronouncing it all right, Yeah,

1036
01:06:04.559 --> 01:06:08.079
I don't even Yeah, I'm going back looking the way

1037
01:06:08.119 --> 01:06:10.239
they write it, And once again my mind almost wants

1038
01:06:10.280 --> 01:06:12.239
to because I kept trying to learn how to say

1039
01:06:12.239 --> 01:06:13.760
it their way, because I'm like, yeah, I've been doing

1040
01:06:13.800 --> 01:06:18.199
this wrong for my whole life, right, so harm arteology.

1041
01:06:18.239 --> 01:06:21.239
Now again you can argue, why do we have to

1042
01:06:21.280 --> 01:06:27.360
know these big words? I think it's important though, right

1043
01:06:27.440 --> 01:06:31.920
it is. Our motives can be wrong for wanting them,

1044
01:06:31.960 --> 01:06:34.760
but knowing them is good, right because whenever we see them,

1045
01:06:34.760 --> 01:06:36.760
we know what they are. We need to be we

1046
01:06:36.800 --> 01:06:41.400
need to be philologically educated so that any discussion we

1047
01:06:41.440 --> 01:06:42.880
can make. Oh, I know what you're talking about. I

1048
01:06:42.920 --> 01:06:44.679
know what you're talking about. I know, so that you're

1049
01:06:44.719 --> 01:06:48.800
not misled or lied to. And when someone throws out

1050
01:06:48.840 --> 01:06:52.360
the word, you don't immediately find yourself going ooh, I'm

1051
01:06:52.400 --> 01:06:55.239
so impressed they know more than me. You'll be like, okay,

1052
01:06:55.280 --> 01:06:58.079
well I know the word too, and you're not. I

1053
01:06:58.079 --> 01:07:00.280
think sometimes using word, I'm not saying that this is

1054
01:07:00.280 --> 01:07:02.239
the case, and the people I was listening to, I'm

1055
01:07:02.280 --> 01:07:04.800
not saying this is the case. I'm seeing some cases

1056
01:07:05.400 --> 01:07:07.199
people throw out the terms, and I think it gives

1057
01:07:07.199 --> 01:07:08.840
them a greater sense of authority, and people have a

1058
01:07:08.880 --> 01:07:10.960
tendency to just go along with what they say because

1059
01:07:10.960 --> 01:07:18.480
it sounds so right. All right, I'm leaning back here

1060
01:07:18.480 --> 01:07:23.719
and going to plug in my iPad. I'm always wiping

1061
01:07:23.719 --> 01:07:25.599
out my battery. Okay, I think we did good. I

1062
01:07:25.599 --> 01:07:28.639
think we did good. All right. I know that was

1063
01:07:28.679 --> 01:07:32.719
kind of impromptu way off of all the other things

1064
01:07:32.800 --> 01:07:35.239
we need to talk about, but I mean, hey, doing

1065
01:07:35.239 --> 01:07:37.480
a little overview in the doctrine of sin. How can

1066
01:07:37.519 --> 01:07:42.159
that go wrong on a Saturday afternoon. Thanks for listening. Now,

1067
01:07:42.920 --> 01:07:46.400
think about the correct understanding of sin and how it

1068
01:07:46.519 --> 01:07:50.079
impacts every other area of your theology. God bless